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Speaker 1: There Are No Girls on the Internet, as a production

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Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio and Unbossed Creative. I'm Bridget Todd

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Speaker 1: and this is there are No Girls on the Internet.

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Speaker 1: So this is gonna be a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: weird episode. Uh, just right off the bat, I should

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Speaker 1: say I have COVID, So if I don't sound like

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Speaker 1: my normal self, it's probably because I've spent the last

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Speaker 1: few days in bed with a fever and partly because

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Speaker 1: I have COVID. I am joined by my producer and

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Speaker 1: chief science officer, Michael to just make sure that I

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Speaker 1: don't say anything wildly out of pocket and what I'm

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Speaker 1: feeling so feverish. Michael, thank you so much for helping

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Speaker 1: me out here. Yeah, happy to be part of it.

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Speaker 1: You know, just keep a watchful eye, make sure everything

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Speaker 1: stays on the right side of the science. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's funny. We were talking earlier off Mike and I

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Speaker 1: was not planning on making an episode today. Um, I

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Speaker 1: partly because I am not feeling well, but also just

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Speaker 1: because like there has been so much going on, you know,

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Speaker 1: with Elon Musk buying Twitter, which I have really come

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Speaker 1: to see as our largest and perhaps most influential digital

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Speaker 1: and so I guess I was just feeling a little

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Speaker 1: bit strange. Here we are on the eve of election night,

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Speaker 1: where you and I are recording this on Monday evening,

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Speaker 1: and I wasn't planning on doing an episode, and you know,

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Speaker 1: we were talking about the election and sort of how

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Speaker 1: realized that I was actually feeling quite anxious and that

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Speaker 1: I was feeling I don't know, just a lot of feelings.

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Speaker 1: And you know, one of the ways that I process

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Speaker 1: things is via podcasting, via having conversations with the listeners

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Speaker 1: and helping myself sort out how I'm feeling. And we

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Speaker 1: figured why not bring it to the pod. So it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a little bit of a different episode, but

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Speaker 1: I did want to get on the mic on this

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Speaker 1: election day eve. Yeah, and thank you for having me here.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to process it with you. I it's pretty

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Speaker 1: understandable to imagine that you would feel a little anxious,

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Speaker 1: unsure about what's going to happen because it's a pretty

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Speaker 1: big election and also other things happening. Yeah, it's a

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Speaker 1: of us, particularly marginalized people, And as someone who was

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Speaker 1: a background in things like disinformation, digital communication media, I

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Speaker 1: thought it might be a good opportunity to really have

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Speaker 1: be seeing tomorrow. We've already seen a lot of it

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Speaker 1: up in this election. And so before we start any

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Speaker 1: of that, I do just want to level set on terms.

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Speaker 1: I realized that I tend to throw around a lot

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Speaker 1: be talking about today are misinformation, disinformation, and malinformation. Mike,

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Speaker 1: I know that you know some of those terms from

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Speaker 1: your work producing our series on disinformation called Disinformed about

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Speaker 1: a year ago. Are you, like, do you do you

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Speaker 1: want me to to give you the definitions of those

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Speaker 1: into trainings I've done, because that's that's my little line

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Speaker 1: it's true, right, And so misinformation somebody is not trying

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Speaker 1: damn lie. They are trying to intentionally lie to you, knowingly,

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Speaker 1: She uses the term medium manipulation, which I think is

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Speaker 1: That's just a fabrication. And so it's one of the

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Speaker 1: it's one of those situations where it is a little

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Speaker 1: completely misrepresents what happened. Yeah, that's absolutely right. That ad

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Speaker 1: the thing that gets me is that we've allowed both

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Speaker 1: candidates electi officials and in some cases are media not

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Speaker 1: you know, fringe media, I mean like mainstream media outlets

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Speaker 1: to frame abortion as this divisive issue where you know,

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Speaker 1: we have to do both sides because you know, people

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Speaker 1: disagree when the reality is that of Americans are supportive

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Speaker 1: of abortion access. There is not a pocket of America

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Speaker 1: anywhere where the majority of people are anti abortion, even

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Speaker 1: in deep red states. It is not a divisive issue.

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Speaker 1: And the people who are against a protecting abortion access,

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Speaker 1: they are the extremists. They're the ones who are widely

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Speaker 1: out of step with the will of the majority of

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Speaker 1: the people. And that's why you see elected officials having

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Speaker 1: to really lie about their stances on this because they

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Speaker 1: know that those dances are are wildly unpopular. They know

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Speaker 1: that most people do not agree with those stances, and

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Speaker 1: that the only way that they can even talk about

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Speaker 1: them in a way that would not have them like

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Speaker 1: run out of office is to lie and the misrepresent them.

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Speaker 1: And so I can understand why we see these folks

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Speaker 1: backtracking on their records saying like, oh, we're just leaving

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Speaker 1: after the States, because if they were to say the truth,

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Speaker 1: which is that like we're attacking abortion access, they know

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Speaker 1: that that's not what people want. That is not what

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Speaker 1: Americans want. It is non divisive issue. Whoever decided to

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Speaker 1: frame it that way really pulled a snow job on

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Speaker 1: all of us because it's just not it's just not true. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that's absolutely right, and I think the math

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Speaker 1: changed underneath them in a really big way where it's

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Speaker 1: their position has always been unpopular, right like most Americans,

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Speaker 1: I believe, since the beginning of America until now, have

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Speaker 1: been support of abortion rights and access to abortion. Most

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Speaker 1: people support it, and so like people who starting in

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Speaker 1: the seventies decided that it was going to be a

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Speaker 1: winning wedge issue for them, they've always had that difficult

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Speaker 1: challenge of trying to sell an unpopular opinion, and it

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Speaker 1: worked for them because it was intensely motivating to the

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Speaker 1: subset of the population who like really intensely cared, and

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Speaker 1: the majority of the voting populace UH did not have

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Speaker 1: the same intense feelings. And now, following the Dobbs decision, UH,

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Speaker 1: they suddenly realized that they can't just continue to speak

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Speaker 1: to this small group in these impassioned, over the top

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Speaker 1: ways to like rile them up, because they realized that

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Speaker 1: a much wider segment of the population is now listening,

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Speaker 1: and that wider signment of the population wants abortion access.

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Speaker 1: That's something that it's just always been a given in

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Speaker 1: society for like thousands of years, and it's just this

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Speaker 1: recent cadre of right wing assholes who realized that they

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Speaker 1: could like win some elections by pretending like it's some

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Speaker 1: radical position, which it obviously isn't. Yeah, people need to

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Speaker 1: have abortions. It's just just, yeah, we live in a society.

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Speaker 1: People need to have abortions. I'm sorry that people don't

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Speaker 1: like it, but like that's what it is. People need

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Speaker 1: to have abortions. People are gonna have abortions. People been

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Speaker 1: having abortions. Just let people sort out their own ship more.

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Speaker 1: After a quick break, let's get right back into it.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk more about some of the miss and disinformation.

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Speaker 1: I know we're going to be seeing today on election

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Speaker 1: day about voting more generally. Um one, it's just sort

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Speaker 1: of spreading fear, particularly fear to black and brown folks

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Speaker 1: and marginalized voters. You know, every election year we see

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Speaker 1: you know, oh, people are being arrested at the polls. Oh,

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Speaker 1: a picture that purports to show ICE agents doing arrests

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Speaker 1: of undocumented folks at the polls. Oh. I always see

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Speaker 1: the little thing that's like, oh, they're checking for outstanding

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Speaker 1: warrants or child unpaid child support payments at the polls. Clearly,

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Speaker 1: these are tactics meant to scare black and brown voters.

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Speaker 1: And they're so savvy because they're clearly tactics that play

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Speaker 1: into the very like rightful fear and baggage and trauma

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Speaker 1: that black and brown folks have around being criminalized in

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Speaker 1: the United States. And so what's so fucked up is

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Speaker 1: that oftentimes with disinformation and misinformation, it's it is the

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Speaker 1: reason why it works is because there's a grain of

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Speaker 1: truth to it. There is one aspect to it that

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Speaker 1: is accurate, and that one aspect is sort of blow

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Speaker 1: out of proportion or like misrepresented. And so it makes

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Speaker 1: me so sad because in reality, we know there are

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Speaker 1: states where black and brown voters are being criminalized. Right

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Speaker 1: in Florida, Folks with felonies on their records who were

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Speaker 1: told that who thought that they could vote, went to

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Speaker 1: register to vote and then the police showed up at

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Speaker 1: their door for voter fraud, right, And so we know

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Speaker 1: that that happened, and we know that that is clearly

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Speaker 1: meant to create a climate where folks who might have

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Speaker 1: felonies on their records, folks who have so there there,

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Speaker 1: you know, served their time, paid their death society are

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Speaker 1: unclear on what's happening and are maybe just afraid. And

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Speaker 1: so I have to give it to the santists that

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Speaker 1: it is such a savvy move to put fear in

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Speaker 1: the heart of people who are just trying to exercise

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Speaker 1: their civic duty of voting. And I mean, if you

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Speaker 1: were someone who had a felony on your record and

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Speaker 1: you weren't sure whether or not you could vote, you

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Speaker 1: feed these viral videos of folks, black and brown folks

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Speaker 1: who thought they could vote. We're told they could vote,

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Speaker 1: We're given the paperwork to vote, and then we're arrested.

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Speaker 1: I could understand why that would keep you from voting.

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Speaker 1: I could understand why that would keep you from the polls.

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Speaker 1: And it's sad to me that when I talk about

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Speaker 1: sort of the lies around black voters being criminalized, that

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Speaker 1: folks like the Santists have gone out of their way

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Speaker 1: to make sure that that continues to be based in reality,

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Speaker 1: to make sure that that that that continues to have

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Speaker 1: that bit of truth. And we they deserve so much

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Speaker 1: better than leaders who are going to exploit our traumas

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Speaker 1: and baggage and anxieties as marginalized people living in this

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Speaker 1: country that are so real for us. But this is

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Speaker 1: what we have. Yeah, it's so disgusting and and sad

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Speaker 1: to see people's right to vote attacked. And like you said,

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Speaker 1: there's like a germ of truth in all successful disinformation campaigns,

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Speaker 1: and there's more than a germ of truth in the

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Speaker 1: idea that like black and brown people have not had

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Speaker 1: the easiest time voting in the United States, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: there's definitely like the right to vote was just categorically

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Speaker 1: denied to black people for the first hundreds so years

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Speaker 1: of the United States, and ever since then, it's been

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Speaker 1: a fight. It's a constant fight. It's a fight in

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Speaker 1: this election, and it's just so dispiriting, uh to me,

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Speaker 1: and I can only imagine it's even more dispiriting to others.

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Speaker 1: But it's like, this is the core part of what

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Speaker 1: it means to be like a participating citizen in republic

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00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: is like you get to vote, You get to have

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Speaker 1: a say in who leads the the county Highway Department

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00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: or like the state dot or like whatever, or like

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Speaker 1: the governorship or the presidency or like passes the laws

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Speaker 1: in Congress. You get to have a say. All the

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Speaker 1: citizens get to have a vote, and to attack that

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Speaker 1: and undermine it is so antithetical to the whole enterprise.

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Speaker 1: And it's I guess it's like not surprising because they're

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00:34:54,680 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: so disingenuous and so hypocritical, but it and it's almost

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Speaker 1: like it feels expected at this point, like, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: of course Republicans are going to try to suppress the

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Speaker 1: vote of like black and brown people and young people,

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00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,760
Speaker 1: like that's just like what they do. But like it's

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Speaker 1: really like cuts to the core of American democracy being

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Speaker 1: at risk. Well, that's I that's one of the reasons

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Speaker 1: why I even wanted to have to do this episode tonight,

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Speaker 1: because I think I was just coming to terms with

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Speaker 1: the weight of that feeling of that it feels I

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Speaker 1: didn't Maybe this is gonna sound pollyanna ish. Only in

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Speaker 1: the last few years have I come to realize how

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Speaker 1: tenuous and fragile democracy is. And you know, seeing these

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Speaker 1: these poll les about how little and who knows about polls,

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Speaker 1: But I saw a couple of polls that were, like,

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00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: people are interested in economic issues and they're not interested

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Speaker 1: in like protecting our democracy and speaking just for myself.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how anybody doesn't see those two things

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Speaker 1: as linked. I don't know how anybody doesn't see like

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Speaker 1: just the ability to be a person who is free

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Speaker 1: to try to make a better life for themselves, free

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Speaker 1: to try to start a family on their terms. When

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Speaker 1: they say how they say, free to raise that family

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Speaker 1: safely in a safe community, with access to you know,

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Speaker 1: accessible health care and food. Like, I don't see how

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Speaker 1: like to me those things are the then diorhem as

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Speaker 1: a circle that democracy in living in a living in

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Speaker 1: a democratic state also means it is also connected to

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Speaker 1: being able to be free to exercise your democratic will

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Speaker 1: and fucking raise your family without without fear of Yeah,

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Speaker 1: just being able to raise your family. I see those things.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like I feel like I'm like spinning out

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00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: talking about it, but reading polls that are like, oh,

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Speaker 1: people don't care about abortion, they care about putting food

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Speaker 1: on the table. And economic issues. People don't care about democracy,

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00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: they care about putting guests in their car. I see

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Speaker 1: those things as all the same to me. If I

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Speaker 1: don't have body autonomy and people don't see that as

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Speaker 1: part and parcel to economic freedom, what are we doing?

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Speaker 1: If I'm not able to go vote free of lies

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00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: and legit violence, political violence, what are we doing? And

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Speaker 1: so I see that, like all these ways, that the

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Speaker 1: fabric of what it means to live in a healthy

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00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: functioning democracy is being so pulled apart, and I see

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Speaker 1: all the little threads and it scares me. I'm scared.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm usually I usually try to be like

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00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: optimistic and hopeful on the show, and generally I am.

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Speaker 1: But I am scared and I hate that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I I'm you know, me, I'm not someone who is

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Speaker 1: like very interested in electoral politics as the end all

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Speaker 1: be y'all. But how the fund did we get here

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Speaker 1: where the only path to liberation is like at this point,

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00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: all we can do is fucking vote, Like if it's

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Speaker 1: voting for the lesser of two evils, do what you

611
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: gotta do. I want so much better for us, But

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Speaker 1: it's it's do you know what I'm saying? Like it

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Speaker 1: feels scary. It feels like we are It feels like

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Speaker 1: something has been pulled apart and we are trying to

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Speaker 1: scotch tape it back together. It is scary times. I

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Speaker 1: wish I had some nice words to make it less scary. Uh. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's tenuous, it's weird. Make it all better, Mike, No.

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Speaker 1: And on the eve of this election, you know, I

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Speaker 1: just like there's a Winston Churchill quote that I think

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Speaker 1: about all the time about how democracy is the absolute

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Speaker 1: worst form of government except for all the others, and

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Speaker 1: actually pretty good. It's pretty good, and I think it's accurate.

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Speaker 1: Like it, it's so stupid. We're stuck in this union

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Speaker 1: with all these imbeciles who hate the idea of unionism,

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00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: and yet here we are. It's difficult. I don't know

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Speaker 1: that there's an answer. I think we're all just like

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Speaker 1: trying to get through it. It's best we can. People

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Speaker 1: listening or like, why did I tune into this. Now,

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Speaker 1: I'm bummed out you asked me to be on this episode.

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Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know. If I want to

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Speaker 1: bump everybody out, let's bring Michael Lamotto on the podcast. Yeah, all,

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Speaker 1: I see your risks. No, it'll be fine. Everything is

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Speaker 1: going to be fine. Well, let's I do want to

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Speaker 1: talk about So it's election day. I do want to

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Speaker 1: just sort of talk about what we are likely to

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Speaker 1: see on election day and beyond. That's why people tuned

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Speaker 1: into this episode. Let's get to that. I know, I'm yeah,

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Speaker 1: I have COVID. I'm sorry. Let's take a quick break.

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Speaker 1: So if you've been listening to their No Girls on

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Speaker 1: the Internet for a while, you probably know that I

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Speaker 1: means so much to me. And we are back just

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Speaker 1: talking about some things to look out for in terms

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Speaker 1: of this and miss and malinformation on and after election day.

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Speaker 1: And a big thing that we really have to talk

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Speaker 1: about on election day and after election day is people

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Speaker 1: saying that because it's taking a long time to count votes,

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Speaker 1: that that is somehow evidence of voter fraud or a

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Speaker 1: stolen election. Now, I've already seen a lot of this

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Speaker 1: happening so far, and I need to be really clear.

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Speaker 1: It has always taken a long time to clount votes

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Speaker 1: in elections because of things like the increased use of

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Speaker 1: mail in ballots and early voting. In some places, counting

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Speaker 1: votes cannot even start before polls closed thanks to Republican legislation.

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Speaker 1: So in a lot of legislatures, it is very much

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Speaker 1: by design that it takes a little bit of time

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Speaker 1: to count the votes. And people who say this, I

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Speaker 1: would argue that they're actually just lying, because anybody who

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Speaker 1: has worked in politics, political media, news media for a

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Speaker 1: few years, they know that it is totally normal for

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Speaker 1: it to take a while for all the ballots to

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Speaker 1: be counted and to have a definitive winner. That is

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Speaker 1: not a surprise. If you're somebody who hasn't followed a

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Speaker 1: lot of elections or hasn't followed a lot of this

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Speaker 1: very closely, that's completely fine. You might not know. But

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Speaker 1: the people who go on Fox News and say that

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Speaker 1: it's out of the ordinary that it takes a little

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Speaker 1: while to account votes, they know that's not true, and

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00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 1: they're deliberately lying. In this election, we already know that

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Speaker 1: we're going to see contested elections and contested races. You're

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Speaker 1: going to see it taking a little bit of time

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Speaker 1: to count votes in certain places, in certain races because

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Speaker 1: of things like mail in ballots. Because of that like weird,

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00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: nebulous time. That is the kind of time where like

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Speaker 1: bad actors can really run wild. You're gonna see a

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Speaker 1: lot of claims about voter fraud or election fraud, and

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Speaker 1: and they seem to be like super clear, there is

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Speaker 1: no widespread voter fraud in the United States. End of sentence.

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Speaker 1: There might be voting irregularities, sure, perhaps those are never

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Speaker 1: to the scale to actually impact an election. It just

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Speaker 1: does not happen. And so I hate, as much as

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Speaker 1: I hate Trump and his presidency, something that I cannot

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Speaker 1: believe that he actually got into the lexicon that stuck

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Speaker 1: with this idea of like, oh, count every legal vote.

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Speaker 1: Like I remember when Ivanka Trump tweeted that, like this

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Speaker 1: shouldn't be controversial, count every legal vote. It's so insidious

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Speaker 1: how it makes it seem as though there are lots

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Speaker 1: of So if you're saying count every legal vote, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it sounds totally reasonable when you first say it or

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00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: when you first hear it, but you're making it seem

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Speaker 1: like there are lots of illegal votes, and that's not true.

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Speaker 1: So it's it's already kind of grounded in a situation

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Speaker 1: that is not happening. And so I know that we're

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Speaker 1: going to see We've already seen so many claims about like, oh,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't take a long time to count votes, like

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Speaker 1: there are something funny is going around. Don't I know

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Speaker 1: that you're gonna see it. I've already seen some of it.

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Speaker 1: I hate that this has become part of our national

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Speaker 1: understanding of the voting process because it's just not it's

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Speaker 1: just not reflective of reality. There is no widespread voter

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Speaker 1: fraud in the United States. If anybody was gonna find

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Speaker 1: it, it it would have been Trump in and he didn't

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Speaker 1: find it, So there's not any there. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. We're going to see so many claims

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Speaker 1: about voter fraud, uh, people like making cases to various courts.

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Speaker 1: It's just these people have had the past two years

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Speaker 1: to just be like stroking their heart ons and thinking

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Speaker 1: about how they're going to like yell voter fraud this

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Speaker 1: time around, and so they're gonna be out there. They're

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Speaker 1: gonna be doing it. Yeah, They're gonna be doing it

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Speaker 1: everywhere that they possibly can. They're probably gonna burn Arizona

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Speaker 1: to the ground and immediately burned because they have no

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Speaker 1: water anymore. It's gonna be everywhere, though. It's gonna be everywhere.

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00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: And that's kind of my point of making this episode

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Speaker 1: is that you were talking about burning Arizona to the ground,

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Speaker 1: and I know you're kidding, but well, to be clear,

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Speaker 1: I suggested that they were the Arizonans were going to

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Speaker 1: burn in the ground. I was not suggesting that anyone

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Speaker 1: else go there and burn it to the ground. It

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Speaker 1: was a lament, not a threat. Oh, I shouldn't go

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Speaker 1: to Arizona and burn of town. You should not know.

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Speaker 1: There are no threats. I'm not making any threats to Terris.

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Speaker 1: Let me cancel my flight here. You know, I'm kidding.

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Speaker 1: I'm just concerned for their well being based on some

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Speaker 1: of the people inside the house. Well, so you know

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Speaker 1: we're kidding. But we are in this very weird time

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Speaker 1: where ship is just weird. You know. Election officials have

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Speaker 1: been warning for the last few days of election related

741
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Speaker 1: violence on election day and after um, which is scary

742
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: and makes me so sad that that's just where we're at.

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Speaker 1: Conspiracy theories about stolen elections and voter fraud have translated

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Speaker 1: to extremist groups getting trained to become quote pole watchers,

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Speaker 1: which basically means they just harassed and intimidate voters and

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Speaker 1: poll workers at the polls. Elon Musk owns Twitter they've

747
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Speaker 1: got a new pay eight dollars to get verified verification

748
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: process rolling out stuff is just weird, And so I

749
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Speaker 1: think in this moment where things feel weird, tenuous, scary,

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Speaker 1: like all of the things. The question is like, what

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00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 1: can we do? And I would say this, I mean,

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00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: this is the spiel I always give. But one, whatever

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00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:40,399
Speaker 1: you do, don't share or amplify misinformation, even if you're

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00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: trying to like debunk it, make a joke of it,

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00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 1: point out like, look at this incorrect information. If you're

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00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 1: on a platform where you can report it, report it.

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00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: But nine times out of ten, if you engage with

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00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 1: incorrect information, you're just gonna help it spread. That's true

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00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: for pretty much anything. And so if you see something

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00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,919
Speaker 1: that is extremist or like a really bad tweet, don't

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00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 1: engaged with it. Um, don't share things just in case.

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Speaker 1: We had an interesting situation during early vote where somebody

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Speaker 1: shared that like, oh I heard from a friend that

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Speaker 1: if your ballot has writing on it, then like a

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00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 1: signature on it, that it's going to be avoided, and

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Speaker 1: the election that the county election official had to post

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Speaker 1: on Facebook saying, actually, we are legally required to sign

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Speaker 1: each ballot, and so like if we sign it, that's

769
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: like that's actually required of us. And so don't share things,

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00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: even if you're sharing them, just in case that you

771
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: cannot verify that they're correct, and instead focus on sharing positive,

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00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: accurate content about the election, the candidates, the the the

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00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: you know, issues and the causes that you're that are

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00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: motivating you to vote you It is going to be

775
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 1: so much better if you focus your time on spreading

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00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: that kind of information that is accurate and timely and

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00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: positive and helpful, rather than engaging with information it's not true.

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00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: And also if you want a little extra, you can

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Speaker 1: come to a training that I am doing with the

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00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: organization Women's March. It is virtual, it is on zoom.

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00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: It is the Wednesday after election day. It is free.

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00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: I would love to hang out with y'all there and

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00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: talk disinformation and the election. I will put the information

784
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Speaker 1: to join in the show notes. But yeah, you want

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Speaker 1: a little if you're gonna be like me on Wednesday,

786
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: probably feeling a little anxious, come hang out with me

787
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 1: on Zoom on Wednesday evening. Hopefully wed I mean hopefully

788
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: I won't be feeling like feverish with COVID, but also

789
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: hopefully I'll be feeling better. And then just a couple

790
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: of like random things I want to throw out there.

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00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 1: As our digital communications platforms like Twitter become more and

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00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: more interesting, will say now and given that like all

793
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: the stuff is happening with Twitter while an election is happening,

794
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: digital hygiene is going to be more important than ever.

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Speaker 1: So if you're listening to this, please please please turn

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Speaker 1: on two factory identification. It is a small step that

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00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: you can take to protect yourself as this like verification

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00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: stuff rolls out. We don't know how it's gonna be.

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Speaker 1: I don't really have any insight on how it's gonna work.

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Speaker 1: All I know is I would not be tweeting if

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00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 1: I did not have two factor authentication. So please enable it.

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00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: I mean, it's such a weird. It's a weird to

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Speaker 1: even talk about it, because this is such untrited territory.

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00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 1: Usually I would say, like, oh, check to see if

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Speaker 1: there's a verified check mark, But I don't know if

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00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: that's great advice anymore for Twitter. So just do. If

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Speaker 1: you're gonna be sharing stuff on social media about the

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Speaker 1: election in terms of results and races, just check before

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Speaker 1: you share. I have been fooled before, and I do

810
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,399
Speaker 1: this for a living. They get the best of us.

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Speaker 1: Just make sure that you're checking, and just generally stay calm,

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00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:58,399
Speaker 1: you know, like, let's take comfort in each other. Right,

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Speaker 1: No things are weird right now you might be feeling

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Speaker 1: and I'm definitely feeling it. You know, rushing to share

815
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: things on social media doesn't help anybody. Take a minute,

816
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: take a beat, check your sources. Let's just try to

817
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: lean into the comfort of the collective that we all

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Speaker 1: have together. And I guess that would end by saying like,

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Speaker 1: this episode is weird. I feel weird. I have COVID also,

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Speaker 1: But you know, I just want to say, like, we

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Speaker 1: deserve a functioning, healthy democracy. We deserve a healthy media ecosystem.

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Speaker 1: We deserve to have platforms that are that amplify accurate, honest,

823
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: timely helpful information and not extremism and lies. We deserve

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00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:52,800
Speaker 1: to have leaders running those platforms who are not complete

825
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 1: man children, who are transparently looking for sycophants and adoration

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Speaker 1: and lashing out at any criticism they get, even though

827
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Speaker 1: they're really embarrassing and super easy to make fun of.

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Speaker 1: And they let Azelia Banks live in their house for

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Speaker 1: a while and that didn't turn out well because they're

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00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 1: not smart people, and they are really invested in people

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Speaker 1: thinking they're really smart, even though they're not talking about

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Speaker 1: Elon musk Um. We deserve better, We deserve better that's

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Speaker 1: all I'm saying. It's like, I hate that we're in

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Speaker 1: a situation where we have to like be working so

835
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Speaker 1: hard at creating the creating things that we deserve for ourselves. Frankly,

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Speaker 1: you know we don't. We we deserve better, and I

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00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: want better for us. But I guess this is my

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00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:43,280
Speaker 1: plea for voting. You know, please vote? Why would people

839
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Speaker 1: not vote? Like? Why why would somebody not vote? Because

840
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: there is an entire well moneyed, effective machine invested in

841
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,240
Speaker 1: telling people that both can't all parties are the same.

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00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: Your vote doesn't matter. No party is looking out for you.

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00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: They are invested in in having everybody just check out

844
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Speaker 1: of the of the democratic system, just check out of voting.

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Speaker 1: And so I don't shame people who don't vote, because

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00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: I know there is like an entire well moneyed system

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00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: invested in you being like it doesn't matter both parties

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Speaker 1: are the same. It's so much noise, I say, out

849
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: of politics, who gives a ship? But there's so much

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00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 1: at stake that even if you feel that way, just

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Speaker 1: do it as a personal favor for me, please at

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Speaker 1: this point fair, All right, Well, thank you Bridget for

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Speaker 1: I know you've got COVID. I hope you rest up

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Speaker 1: after recording this. Um. I know that I fought tooth

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Speaker 1: But the executives that my heart were like, we need Bridget,

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Speaker 1: don't say that episode for the election, So thank you

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Speaker 1: for doing it. No, this was all volunt terry, and

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Speaker 1: because I feel like I sound ridiculous. No, well, thanks

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Speaker 1: thanks for being her Mike, and thanks to all of

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry in advance. Sorry, sorry for making you listen

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Speaker 1: in tech. I just want to say hi. You can

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Speaker 1: also find transcripts for today's episode at tangodi dot com.

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Speaker 1: There Are No Girls on the Internet was created by

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Speaker 1: me Bridget tod It's a production of I Heeart Radio

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