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Speaker 3: Hello, loves, I'm Andrea Waters King. And that was David o'

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Speaker 3: yellow old describing a friendship that has endured it all,

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Speaker 3: a glimpse into their journey, one of brotherhood, faith and

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Speaker 3: standing for what matters. But some stories they can't be told.

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Speaker 2: In just one.

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Speaker 3: Conversation two they open up like never before about standing

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Speaker 3: together through public scrutiny, weathering storms no one saw coming,

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Speaker 3: It's a conversation about resilience, redemption, and what it truly

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Speaker 3: This is My Legacy a podcast hosted by me and

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Speaker 3: my husband, Martin Luther King, the third eldest son of

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Speaker 3: doctor Martin Luther King Junior, and Coretta Scott King. Plus

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Speaker 3: Mark and Craig Kilberger. Let's pick up right where we

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Speaker 4: What's clear you're building something rooted in deep values. And

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Speaker 4: You speak of if it's true or manifest in our children.

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Speaker 6: And I don't think it's a small thing. I don't

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Speaker 6: But I just love seeing you contemplate and eye them

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Speaker 6: You asked me a question, you're going to get an answer,

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Speaker 2: Can you look at this drawing? Yes?

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Speaker 6: What is the drawing there?

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Speaker 2: David is like that with all of us.

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Speaker 6: It's beautiful to watch. But when they ask him for

445
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Speaker 6: something that they don't know that they're going to get

446
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 6: and he just takes a second okay, and then they

447
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 6: go off and get it, it is the I don't know,

448
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 6: if you know, you probably doing it?

449
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 2: No, I do.

450
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: I do, because it's about making sure that you are

451
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: acknowledging that the relationship is not flip. It's not just okay, daddy,

452
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: you know, because you know what kids are like.

453
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 2: They'll time out, they'll.

454
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: Time to wait wait yet you're distracted, and so that

455
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Speaker 1: you you can just oh.

456
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever.

457
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: Not David, No, no, no, because my interactions with my

458
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: kit it's about intention, it's about eye contact, it's about

459
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: you know you, there are no there are You cannot

460
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: say I love you enough because words are powerful, and

461
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: I think you're saying I love you by the fact

462
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: that regardless of whether I give you this thing or not,

463
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: you need to know that love is part of the equation.

464
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: Regardless whether it's.

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Speaker 2: A no or a yes.

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00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: I'm looking at you to make sure it's not a

467
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: flip yes or a flip no. Because again, what you're

468
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: modeling for your kids is relationship. The thing that I

469
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: get so much joy from is when it's a no

470
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: and they can come back, maybe not the same day,

471
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: maybe not the next day, but they can go thank

472
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: you for saying no. I didn't really need that thing.

473
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: Because your kids are constantly testing you. They're custantly testing

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Speaker 1: where are the boundaries, because the boundaries is what makes

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00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: them feel safe. So if you say yes to everything,

476
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: they actually are losing a sense of their boundaries, and

477
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: there their sense of self and their sense of safety.

478
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: So the moment that I'm kind of annoyed that you spotted.

479
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Speaker 2: Is measuring.

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00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: And I know my kids, whether it's something you need

481
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: or something you want, and I'm there to provide your

482
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: needs wants, and so it's that as well, and sometimes

483
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: I'll give you what you want, but just know that's

484
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Speaker 1: not going to be an all.

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Speaker 2: The time every day.

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Speaker 1: Think So it's about intention and it's about connection, I

487
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: think is the point.

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Speaker 3: But now, David, have you learned anything in particular about

489
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Speaker 3: raising daughters.

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Speaker 1: You know Nay and I because we run a business together.

491
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Speaker 1: We're on the phone a lot together. We are on

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Speaker 1: a lot of zooms. And the thing I admire the

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Speaker 1: most about him is similarly, no matter who we're talking to,

494
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: if it's the CEO, if it's a potential financier, whatever

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00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: it is, when one of his daughters comes into the

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Speaker 1: room on a zoom, excuse me, you guys, yes, honey.

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Speaker 2: And he will never ignore them.

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Speaker 1: He will never do that, you know, I've never known

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00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: him to do that. And it is so beautiful because

500
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: you can see the faces of the squares. Everyone just goes,

501
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: Everyone just has that smile of this guy has his

502
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: priorities in check, and sometimes you forget to push.

503
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 2: The mute button. And it always ends with I love you.

504
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 1: Always ends with I love you, no matter what it is,

505
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: no matter how trivial or important. The thing they came

506
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: to ask was it always ends with I love you.

507
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: And then he's back to the zoom. And to be

508
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: perfectly frank, much like the two week rule in that

509
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: business setting, I actually think it's incredibly impactful for people

510
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: in a business setting to have the priorities put in

511
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 1: the right place of like, all this stuff we're doing,

512
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, nothing is more important

513
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: than that and that because I have to say, I'm

514
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: not that way in the zoo, on the zoom, I'm

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Speaker 1: the one who.

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Speaker 6: You know, what it is with daughters, it's so different.

517
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 6: You know, as you say, children test you for boundaries,

518
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 6: they also test you for hierarchy. They want to know

519
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 6: where they sit in your life constantly. And daughters, you know,

520
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 6: I have from my youngest to my eldest, I literally

521
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 6: have one in every different level of education. So I

522
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 6: have one in elementary school, one in middle school, one

523
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 6: in high school, one in college, and one getting a

524
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 6: master's and they are constantly asking me with different in

525
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 6: different ways, where do I sit in your life? Where

526
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,919
Speaker 6: do I sit amongst my sisters, Where do I sit

527
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 6: in this moment your colleagues? And so my job I

528
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 6: feel as as a father to always remind them that

529
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 6: they're as close to me as anyone or anything on earth.

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00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 6: And that means in a zoom, literally turning and saying yes,

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Speaker 6: I will hear your poem and listen to the poem

532
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 6: while we're closing the deal, and I will say I

533
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 6: love that poem. I'm going to finish my call and

534
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 6: then we're going to talk about it. I love you, goodbye.

535
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:25,399
Speaker 6: I lose nothing, but I gain everything, and she gains

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00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 6: everything because maybe it wasn't about the poem. She will

537
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 6: leave the room saying I am important, and I am

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00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 6: important enough that in this moment he chose me, because

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00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 6: that's what it's about. You know, we are in a

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00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 6: time where the choosing, whether it be of partners, whether

541
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 6: it be of relationships, have has become very difficult with

542
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 6: social media and all these things that are constantly negotiating likes,

543
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 6: negotiating self esteem. So and I also say I try

544
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,760
Speaker 6: my best to treat all my children like their only children,

545
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 6: you know, because I learned early on that when you

546
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 6: take two to Disneyland, it doesn't count. It just doesn't.

547
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 6: If you take three out to dinner, it doesn't count.

548
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 6: It's not a date, that's a group.

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00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 2: I learned that from you.

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00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I learned the daddy daugh to day from from

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00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: I mean, I only have one daughter. You literally came

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00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: to my house last week with Justice and he can't

553
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: he'd forgotten his bag at my house because we spent

554
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: the day together, so you had to come back a

555
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: couple of days later, you came with we worked with

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00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: your daughter Justice, and they were going out.

557
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 2: For lunch for dinner together.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, wow, because I do that with

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Speaker 1: my daughter, and it's kind of easier when you have

560
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: one daughter and you have three sons. It's like the

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00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: daddy daugh to day is like, of course it's a dad,

562
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: but the fact.

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Speaker 2: That you do that.

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Speaker 1: I was so impressed with that because you specifically brought

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Speaker 1: her to get the bag, knowing that it was just

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00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: it was her day. And I've been with a Injustice

567
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: a lot. I have never seen her that effervescent and

568
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 1: giddy and just happy. And you know, I have a

569
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: bunch of dogs in my house. She's petting the dogs,

570
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 1: she's dancing, and I could tell it's because you had

571
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: singled the day for her that day and the way

572
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: she skipped out of the house knowing that you guys

573
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 1: were going off to dinner. But that that I learned

574
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: from you, I didn't. I didn't know how prioritis that

575
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 1: needed to be a spect and i'm I'm.

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00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 2: My sexism lies firmly in the.

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Speaker 1: Fact that I do treat my daughter differently than my

578
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 1: son's And I don't know if it's right or not,

579
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: but you know, there is.

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00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 2: I was one of three boys, then I had three boys.

581
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Speaker 2: Then oh my.

582
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Speaker 1: Lord, I had a daughter, which is the thing where

583
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: I go, you have five.

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00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 2: The effect this girl has on my heart is should

585
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Speaker 2: be illegal.

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00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: I mean is it is just so profit seeing her

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00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: just it's like my heart is being rebroken every time.

588
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: And so to see how you have navigated being able

589
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: to treat them all as a as a as a

590
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: only child in that way has been really exemplary.

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Speaker 6: I cry all the time. Now, It's funny where I

592
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 6: come from to cry.

593
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 2: There's punishment with that.

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00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 6: You know, what are you crying for I give you

595
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 6: something to cry about. You know, it's a Southern thing,

596
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 6: right right?

597
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 1: You love too much of that one.

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00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 6: And so I found myself and my older age, specifically

599
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 6: around my doors. I cry for nothing at all. My

600
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 6: daughter lost her front tooth and she showed it to me.

601
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,720
Speaker 6: Why is daddy crying? I'm like, I'm not not sad,

602
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 6: but it's we don't get these moments back, you know.

603
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 6: It's we're getting older, and it's happening fast. We're here,

604
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 6: it says, where it's but a mist of vapor and

605
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 6: then it's gone. So I'm in, you know, I mean,

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00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 6: I'm in a season of absolute and unapologetic investment into

607
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 6: those girls, into my family, into my life. Because before

608
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 6: we know it, someone's gonna be having a podcast and

609
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 6: we're gonna be gone, and they're gonna be talking about

610
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 6: the stuff that we did, hopefully in positive ways, but

611
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 6: at that point it won't matter to us, will be

612
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Speaker 6: somewhere else.

613
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Speaker 7: So, David, this whole podcast is inspired by a book

614
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Speaker 7: that we've co authored called What is My Legacy? And

615
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 7: part of your legacy is your philanthropic work, especially in Nigeria,

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Speaker 7: which has inspired us. Can you briefly tell us a

617
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Speaker 7: little bit about that work and some amazing work you're doing,

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00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 7: especially with scholarships.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the leadership scholarship we have in Nigeria was inspired

620
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Speaker 1: by the bring Back Our Goals movement that happened just

621
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Speaker 1: under a decade ago when the Chiapbok girls were kidnapped

622
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Speaker 1: in northern Nigeria and what happened in that moment it

623
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: became a viral moment. Bring Back our Goal became a hashtag.

624
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: Over two hundred girls have been kidnapped. But Boko Haram,

625
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: the terrorist group who had done this, they specifically their

626
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: goal was to make sure girls are not educated, and

627
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: that tells you something that tells you that there is

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00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: power in the education of girls specifically. I'm also an

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Speaker 1: ambassador for an organization called Girl Rising, and studies have

630
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: been done to show that the way to end world

631
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: poverty is to educate girls globally, And when you think

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Speaker 1: about something as lofty as ending world poverty, it just

633
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: feels insurmountable. But if you can educate one girl and

634
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: have her consider the notion of leadership as part of

635
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: her legacy, that's a very real drop in the ocean

636
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: of ending world poverty. So I partnered with a foundation

637
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: called Jinko to start the David A. Yellowell Leadership Scholarship,

638
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: and long story short, we now have forty five girls

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00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 1: who are paying for all of their education. We find

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00:41:55,360 --> 00:42:01,800
Speaker 1: girls who have been dealing with terrorism or socioeconomic marginalization,

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00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: all of these patriarchy, which is, you know, as much

642
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: as I love being a Nigerian, it's a very patriarchal

643
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 1: society that traditionally can often marginalize women and stymy their opportunities,

644
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: so that to me is unacceptable.

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Speaker 2: A lot of it we've talked.

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Speaker 1: About my daughter at nauseum, but a lot of it

647
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: was inspired by having a girl all of a sudden

648
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Speaker 1: and realizing, oh my gosh, do I have a blind

649
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: spot because suddenly I have a person in my life

650
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: where the idea that their gender would be the reason

651
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 1: why they would not be afforded every opportunity unacceptable to me.

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00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: So our Leadership Scholarship is a means of doing that.

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00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: And we are in four states in Nigeria right now.

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00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: We've partnered with schools in those four states to basically

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Speaker 1: have the best we can find who would not otherwise

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00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:01,240
Speaker 1: get the education they deserve. Plant them in these schools

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00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: where we will pay for not only their education, but

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Speaker 1: the thing that we really learned is mental health because

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00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: they're coming out of very difficult situations, so we are

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Speaker 1: we're paying for that component as well.

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Speaker 7: And makes zero website for people to learn more about.

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Speaker 1: Gingko ginco dot org uh and and everything's g e

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Speaker 1: A n c o A dot org and it's a

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Speaker 7: Thanks, thank you for sharing.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: I love that because as Corota Scott King said that

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Speaker 3: if the soul of this nation is to be saved,

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Speaker 3: and women must become the soul. Absolutely, and I think

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Speaker 3: that can be said around the world for sure, for sure.

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Speaker 3: And then of course you have a wonderful Apple TV series.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Government Cheese is about a family of four in the

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Speaker 1: valley in the late nineteen sixties, and I play a

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Speaker 1: bit of a ne'er do well who's just come out

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Speaker 1: of prison and is trying to do right by his family,

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Speaker 1: but he has these encounters with God. So it's a surrealist,

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Speaker 1: parabolic comedy and he's a man who's trying to get

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Speaker 1: back on the straight and narrow, trying to do God's well,

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Speaker 1: but really being pulled back into his past, and the

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Speaker 1: question of the show is can he become worthy of

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Speaker 1: his wife and children all over again, which is the

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Speaker 1: path that God is trying to get him back onto.

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Speaker 2: But you know, I'm really really.

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Speaker 1: Proud of that show because it's set in the sixties

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Speaker 1: where we know, certainly at this table, we know we

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Speaker 1: were dealing with a lot of strife and unrest as

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Speaker 1: black people. But it doesn't touch on that. It's just

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Speaker 1: a beautiful celebration of a black family at a time

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Speaker 1: and a place that we very rarely see on TV.

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Speaker 1: And it's it's a half hour comedy and I'm just

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Speaker 1: really proud that we got it made.

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Speaker 6: And it's very fun. We don't always get to have fun,

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Speaker 6: especially in the sixties.

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Speaker 4: Definitely check it out.

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Speaker 2: There to make it. Yes, gentlemen, I love the laughter.

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Speaker 4: I think it's a beautiful note to end on because

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Speaker 4: we put together this the four of us originally because

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Speaker 4: we wanted to invite people to have conversations about legacy,

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Speaker 4: to listen, to learn, and yes, to have a lot

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Speaker 4: of fun. And I think back at the conversation of

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Speaker 4: how we live legacy. I love the two week rule.

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Speaker 4: I want to shamelessly steal that.

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Speaker 2: Oh please, thank you well.

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Speaker 4: I think we want to bring it into our lives,

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Speaker 4: and I talk to my wife about that one. I

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Speaker 4: love the idea of you cannot be what you cannot see.

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Speaker 4: I think it's deeply powerful, but it's also a great

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Speaker 4: call to action for role models out there. Yes, I

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Speaker 4: love your conversation about consult God before consulting the ego.

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Speaker 4: Made your tribute that you gave to David, I thought

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Speaker 4: was beautiful, and I actually going to repeat that one again,

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Speaker 4: Consult God before consulting the ego, because that is profound.

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Speaker 4: I love the idea you cannot say I love you

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Speaker 4: too much, and it fits so beautifully on what both

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Speaker 4: of you have said, which is you know where do

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Speaker 4: I sit. I always reminding kids that they are our priorities,

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Speaker 4: our family, our spouses are loved ones. And so I

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Speaker 4: look at all of these beautiful calls to action that

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Speaker 4: you gave us today, of how each person can see

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Speaker 4: how the two of you shape your legacy, how you

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Speaker 4: live your legacy every day. So on behalf of the

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Speaker 4: four of us were deeply grateful. David Nate, thank you

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Speaker 4: for taking the time to share your legacies with us today.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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