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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: the whitetail Woods, presented by first Light, creating proven versatile

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Speaker 1: hunting apparel for the stand saddler blind, First Light, Go Farther,

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Speaker 1: Stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Wire to Hunt Podcast. I'm your guest host, Tony Peterson,

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Speaker 1: and today I'm speaking with Dan Johnson about ODDA state

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Speaker 1: hunt planning and the future of nonresident hunting. Hello, my friends,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon here again, just jumping in for a quick

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Speaker 1: update before another episode here with mister Tony Peterson. But

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Speaker 1: wanted to remind you that this coming weekend, if you're

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Speaker 1: listening in real time, on March twenty six, twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 1: I'm kicking off my first event or the Working for

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Speaker 1: Wildlife Tour, I'm going to be out on the ground

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Speaker 1: outside of Massachusetts or outside of Boston, Massachusetts, working on

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Speaker 1: a massive trash cleanup on the Martin Burns Wildlife Management Area.

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Speaker 1: If you're listening in time for this on Thursday, the

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Speaker 1: day this podcast comes out, you can still register to

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Speaker 1: participate in that event. You can get all the details

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Speaker 1: over at the Mediator website. If you search for the

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Speaker 1: Working for Wildlife Tour. You'll find the link there to register.

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Speaker 1: We're giving away twenty five of these sweet new I

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Speaker 1: Work for Wildlife t shirts that I help design. I

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Speaker 1: want to meet you, I want to shake your hand,

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Speaker 1: I want to hear your stories, and I want to

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Speaker 1: pick up a bunch of trash and clean this place

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Speaker 1: up so that future generations can enjoy these places. Heck,

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Speaker 1: so that current generations can enjoy this place. Next week,

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Speaker 1: and we've got a whole bunch of these kinds of

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Speaker 1: events continuing throughout the year. The second one is on

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Speaker 1: April twenty second up in Calcaska, Michigan, with collaboration from

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Speaker 1: the Michigan United Conservation Clubs, and we're going to be

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Speaker 1: doing some brushpile creation, some different cool stuff on the ground,

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Speaker 1: improving that habitat. So all that said, there are some

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Speaker 1: other great events happening this weekend that I wanted to

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Speaker 1: bring to your attention in the back Country Hunters and

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Speaker 1: Anglers website. Over on the event page you can see

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Speaker 1: that there's a whole bunch of stuff happening March twenty fifth.

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Speaker 1: This coming Saturday is a WMA habitat improvement project in

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Speaker 1: Fairfield Vermont. There is a tire cleanup going on on

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Speaker 1: March twenty fifth in Perryville, Arkansas. There is a back

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Speaker 1: Country Hunters and English Trash and Trout Day in Greenbrier

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Speaker 1: Ranger District over in bartow West Virginia. That's all this

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Speaker 1: coming weekend. There's all sorts of stuff like coming this

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Speaker 1: coming up. I want to mention another one April fifteenth.

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Speaker 1: Down in Indiana, there's an event being put on by

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Speaker 1: some of my buddies at BHA, going to do some

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Speaker 1: other great habitat work in the southern part of Indiana.

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Speaker 1: Point is, if you care about these places, if you

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Speaker 1: care about wild critters, public lands, public waters, one of

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Speaker 1: the best things we can do to get out there

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Speaker 1: and help these places out is be on the ground

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Speaker 1: doing real things. It's one thing to worry about this

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Speaker 1: stuff is one thing about sending an email place in

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Speaker 1: a phone call. That's all good, it's all important. But

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Speaker 1: I think sometimes actually getting your hands dirty and giving

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Speaker 1: back to these places, seeing these places in person, I

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Speaker 1: think is a great way to kind of refill the reservoir,

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Speaker 1: kind of recharge you personally, get you connected to these

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Speaker 1: places that we're trying to keep around and it does

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Speaker 1: some real tangible good for the deer, for the turkeys,

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Speaker 1: for the fish, for the birds. Whatever it is, we

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Speaker 1: can make a difference. That's what this Working for Wildlife

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Speaker 1: Tour is all about. I really hope to see you

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Speaker 1: at this event this coming weekend in Massachusetts or next

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Speaker 1: month in Michigan, wherever it might be. Again, full details

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Speaker 1: over at the meat Eater website. That's the meat eater

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Speaker 1: dot com. Go to the search bar search for Working

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Speaker 1: for Wildlife Tour. You get the full scoop. You can

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Speaker 1: sign up. I really hope to see you there. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Wire to Hunt podcast, which is brought to

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Speaker 1: you by First Light. You guessed it. This is not

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon's voice, it's Tony Mark is. Well, let's be

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Speaker 1: honest here. Mark is on vacation again. I don't even

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Speaker 1: want to talk about it since I'm stuck here keeping

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Speaker 1: the lights on while he's off eating caviar and fly

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Speaker 1: fishing exotic species of South American fish while rubbing elbows

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Speaker 1: with the Kardashians or something. Who knows what that lucky

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Speaker 1: fella is spending his book royalties on. This week, Anny Whoski, Today,

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Speaker 1: I've got an old Wire to Hunt favorite on Dan Johnson.

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Speaker 1: Dan is the host of the Nine Fingers Chronicles podcast,

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Speaker 1: the owner of the Sportsman Empire network of outdoor podcasts,

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Speaker 1: and a diehard white tail hunter. And even though he

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Speaker 1: lives in Iowa, Dan travels every year out of state

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Speaker 1: promise you that. Dan. How are you doing, Buddy, I'm

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Speaker 1: doing good. Man yourself, I'm good. But we just we

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Speaker 1: just off air here got into a little conversation that's

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Speaker 1: not all rosy about the future of hunting. And you know,

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Speaker 1: And all that good stuff. But we got to talk

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Speaker 1: telling me, Iowa has some stuff that might go through.

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Speaker 1: That sounds pretty freaking wild. What's going on down there? Man.

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Speaker 1: So for the first thing I want to do is

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Speaker 1: And now I'll get into that Iowa topic, where there's

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Speaker 1: And it's it's all about money in politics, and it's

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Speaker 1: So you're painting a pretty bleak picture what's going on here. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: one topic that has been is somewhat controversial. Actually two topics.

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Speaker 1: every other hunter. Right, just because you own land doesn't

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Speaker 1: You have to apply for it. You have to wait,

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Speaker 1: you know, three four wherever you're whatever zone you're in,

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Speaker 1: the ability to hunt every year, right, And that sounds

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Speaker 1: Listen to Dan, who's an Iowa resident gets to hunt

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Speaker 1: be like thirty five nonresident tags total or archery tags

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Speaker 1: you don't get your state tag because a resident landowner

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Speaker 1: but then they can also get their state wide archery tag. Yep.

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Speaker 1: in order to get a landowner's tag, you only need

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Speaker 1: some new proposals going out to where Iowa landowners maybe

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Speaker 1: And that's that's that's hard to do, and especially in

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Speaker 1: that could keep me out of a state. As much

429
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 1: as I want to do, I feel like non residence

430
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: in all situations have their you know, have their say

431
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 1: in some of this, in some of this, but it's

432
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 1: the people who are paying the taxes on an annual

433
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: basis in their state should have a little bit more

434
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 1: of a voice on rules and regulations than someone who

435
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 1: doesn't even live here. So I looked into that because

436
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: that's a very common argument to make. I looked into

437
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,199
Speaker 1: it into a woman because Wyoming pisses me off so

438
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:01,159
Speaker 1: much sometimes. And if you look at and this is

439
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 1: this is the case with Wyoming, not I'm not saying

440
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 1: this is any other state. But if you look at

441
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: the amount of federal tax that Wyoming contributes to the

442
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 1: federal dowry and then how much they take out, the

443
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 1: ratio isn't even close. They rank like forty nine, So

444
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 1: they're they're putting in a little bit and taken out

445
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 1: a lot. And so if I'm a federal taxpayer from

446
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: some other state, which I am, where does that leave me?

447
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? So this is not it's

448
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: not so simple. I definitely think that I agree with that,

449
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:41,679
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of federal public land in states

450
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 1: like Wyoming. But it's not But it's not about It's

451
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:49,360
Speaker 1: not about federal public land. It's about if you say, okay,

452
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: we pay the taxes in this state, well, federal taxes

453
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: are building roads for you. They're doing all kinds of programs.

454
00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 1: It's not just a natural resource thing. And I look

455
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: at that and I go, I get it. I get

456
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: the argument. But we're if you're traveling to hunt, you're

457
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 1: all paying enough taxes. Hey, we're all reaping the benefits

458
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 1: of federal taxes and we're paying them. And it's not

459
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,719
Speaker 1: so cut and dry that it's just the state residents

460
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 1: who are funding everything. And then you look at the

461
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 1: non resident revenue that's coming in in some of those

462
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: states and how much money they're generating off of that.

463
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: It's it's not it's like not so simple, you know.

464
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: And I get the argument, right right, I just feel like,

465
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 1: and maybe I'm a little jaded because I've been through

466
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: this before where and you know, kudos to the family

467
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 1: for making their money and you know, putting the land

468
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: up for auction, but I've been I would say over

469
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: my lifetime, I have lost permission hunting farms in or

470
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: i've grown up. I would say probably four to five

471
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: thousand total acres since I've started hunting that I've been

472
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 1: lost to nonresident landowners. And so then instantly that gets displaced.

473
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: Everybody on those farms gets displaced, and now they have

474
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: to go find another place to hunt, right, And typically

475
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: even with a resident landowner coming in, unless they're from

476
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 1: out of county. Let's say someone in a bigger like

477
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: Des Moines buys a farm just to hunt, then typically

478
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 1: there's going to be some displacement there as well. But

479
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 1: for the most part, if it's another local who's buying

480
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: the land, then I will still have my hunting opportunities

481
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: there not not a lot changes with that. That's just

482
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: that's just my examples that I've lived through. Well, I

483
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: can tell you that's probably because you live in Iowa

484
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: and I live in Minnesota, and I've lost plenty of

485
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: hunting opportunities and they've all been to residents because nobody's

486
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: paying to come in there to hunt, right, right, But

487
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: in it doesn't matter, Okay, So that happens to you,

488
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: and it's non residence happens to me, and it's residents

489
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: happens some dude in Pennsylvania who cares. The net result

490
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: is fewer places to go rome like, fewer places to hunt,

491
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: and we need to address that, and it sucks, but

492
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: we still have some opportunities now, and you better take

493
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: advantage of them. If you're listening to this and you're like, man,

494
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: these guys are all doom and gloom and they're pissed off.

495
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: There's still opportunities out there, there's still places to go. Well,

496
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: we still have some fight left in us, and you know,

497
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: there's still some really really cool places to travel that

498
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: are going to sell you a tag or you could

499
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: play the points game for a little bit. And I

500
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: don't want to discourage people from doing that because I

501
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: still think that the experience is worth it and the opportunity,

502
00:29:48,200 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: if it's there, you should take advantage of it. Now,

503
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: you said you're going to Nebraska this year, I'm set

504
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: sure where I'm going. Ok. I know, I know I'm

505
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: going to go to South Dakota given the rules and

506
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: regulations don't change too much, all right, Like I love

507
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: South Dakota. I also am gonna apply for Kansas. So

508
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: my uncle he lives in Kansas, and he's probably gonna

509
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: help me out finding a place to hunt down. And

510
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: Kansas is the number one state for the least amount

511
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: of public ground in the entire country. I believe Iowa

512
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: is second and Kansas is first, And so I might

513
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: be hunting some public there, I might be hunting some

514
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: private through my uncle. He lives down there, and so

515
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: I'm going I'm gonna try to hunt Kansas. If I

516
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: hunt Kansas, I'll probably take the extra miles and also

517
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:58,719
Speaker 1: hunt Oklahoma. And so just because of how close they

518
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: are to each other, So Kansas in Oklahoma and Iowa.

519
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: If I don't draw Kansas, then what I'll do is

520
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: I'll probably do um Iowa and South Dakota for sure.

521
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: I had a pretty tough go of things in my

522
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: September hunt in uh in Nebraska, So I don't know.

523
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: I'm still I'm still debating on if I'm going to

524
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: go there. And that's you know that Oklahoma in Nebraska

525
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: are both over the counter as it right now, Uh,

526
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: if you go to hunt Kansas and you and you

527
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: get on some land that your uncle's gonna put you on,

528
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: or you're gonna make sure you don't displace any residence,

529
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: and that's a that's a fair that's a that's a

530
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,719
Speaker 1: fair smart ass question. And I will say that I

531
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: will not be displacing any I will they will just

532
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: be adding a hunter to that to that form. Okay,

533
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: I'm just giving you a shit, buddy, all right, So

534
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: I know you. I mean, that's pretty ambitious, right, But

535
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: I guess that is the way that you describe the

536
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: potential plans for your fall is sort of a good

537
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: counterweight to all the bitch and we did for the

538
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: first twenty minutes of this podcast saying loses an opportunities

539
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: because you're going, Hey, if I draw South Dakota, a

540
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: hunt there because I love it. If I might go

541
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: to Nebraska, even though Nebraska can kick my ass sometimes

542
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: I still love it. And I know that I might

543
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: draw Kansas and I'm gonna be able to buy it

544
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: over the counter tag in Oklahoma. That's solid, Like it's yeah,

545
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: it's good to hear that. Why why those states? Like

546
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: let's start right up on the top of South Dakota.

547
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: Why why start there? So the first time I ever

548
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: went to South Dakota, I instantly fell in love with it.

549
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: More less about the hunting and more about the landscape.

550
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: Like you know, our buddy Mark Kenyan talks about the

551
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: West and he talks about the mountains like he's a

552
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: mountain guy. He wants to be out in the mountain. Dude,

553
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: I'm a prairie guy. I there's something about the bad lands,

554
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: There's something about the wide open prairie where you can

555
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: get on the point and see until you can't see anymore,

556
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: until if everything fades away. Yep. I love that feeling.

557
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: I love the feeling of feeling extremely small in a

558
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: large area. And so that's why I go hunt in

559
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: South Dakota. And it gives me the opportunity to hunt

560
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: multi species. My tag allows me to hunt mulder and

561
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: or a white tail, and so those are the biggest

562
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: contributing factors. Yeah, so that and so you mentioned multiple

563
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: times everybody who listens to this knows you're an Iowa resident.

564
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: You live in the best state to hunt white tails.

565
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: And yet you're saying because this is this is something

566
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: that happens a lot, and this is one of the

567
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:39,959
Speaker 1: issues you guys are dealing with down there. And I

568
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: was like, everybody wants to go there to kill a

569
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: big buck, right, you know, I mean Kansas, same way

570
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: Illinois was Buffalo County all that bullshit. But you're saying,

571
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: and this is something that this is a point that

572
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: we can't stress enough. Is Yeah, I live in Iowa,

573
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: I have awesome hunting. I'm going to leave Iowa to

574
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: go hunt South Dakota. Not because I want to kill

575
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: one set and these, But because I want to hunt

576
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: in an environment that speaks to me, Yes, that that

577
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: matters so much. We we frame these these traveling hunts

578
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 1: so much around just the kill or the like the

579
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: trophy potential. But when you start doing this, I feel

580
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: the same way about the bad Lands, Like, man, I

581
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: don't know what it is, but it's awesome. I don't

582
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: I don't know why. It's the same thing. And you know,

583
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: like when I hunt western North Dakota, that environment is

584
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: just special to me, like I just I want to

585
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: spend time there. And when you start doing these hunts,

586
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: it's easy to plan around, like, well, I want to

587
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,720
Speaker 1: go I want to draw my Kansas teay because Kansas

588
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: has giants. It's like okay, sure sort of, But where

589
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: do you want to go experience a hunt? What kind

590
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 1: of ground speaks to you? And that's such an important

591
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: consideration that we kind of don't give a lot of

592
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: weight to. Yeah, yeah, I mean just a successful day out.

593
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 1: There's sitting at the top of the highest point and

594
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: just spotting all day, like even if even if I

595
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: make a stock or not, you know, going back sleeping

596
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: in the back of my truck, kicking cooking all my

597
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: food on my tailgate, or pitching a tent somewhere, you know,

598
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 1: two miles in. It's just it's something that I just

599
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: can't get enough of. Yeah, it's a it's a it's

600
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: really fun to get outside your comfort zone. Yes, you know,

601
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: it's it's different. It's weird to travel to hunt the

602
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: exact same stuff you can travel at home. You know.

603
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: It's it's fun to have some variety, all right. So

604
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: South Dakota is an easy one because South Dakota is cool.

605
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: Man that that state offers so many interesting you know,

606
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: just different regions of different kinds of habitats. You know,

607
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: like you said, the meal deer, the white tail thing.

608
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: You can go pick up an antelope tag out there.

609
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: It's pretty cool. What about Nebraska, Yeah, Nebraska, in the

610
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: area of Nebraska that I hunt, it's a lot like

611
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: it's a lot like uh, South Dakota. All right. So

612
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: a lot of people drive through Nebraska and all they

613
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 1: see is flat cattle pasture. Well, if you get into

614
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: the northwest corner of Nebraska, there's a ton of terrain change,

615
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: and I mean it can get pretty gnarly back in there.

616
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: I mean there's where I where I hunt in Nebraska,

617
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: there is wintering elk in that in that same public

618
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: that I hunt. So there's I mean, and the and

619
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: even even further west. They have big horn sheep in

620
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: Nebraska as well. And uh in South Dakota they have

621
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: big horn sheep that I've seen in some of these spots,

622
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: and so it's just it's just a continuation of South Dakota.

623
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: I wanted more of it, and so I said, hey,

624
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: might as well get a tag and uh go go

625
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: do western Nebraska too. Yeah, that Nebraska has some really

626
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: really cool opportunities and things are getting a little tighter there,

627
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: and I get it. You know, Uh, Nebraska for a

628
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: while was like the biggest sleeper state and it got

629
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: really busy. But you know, Nebraska also promoted the ship

630
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,240
Speaker 1: out of their non resident hunting opportunities and really pushed,

631
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 1: pushed hard to compete with South Dakota and a couple

632
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: of other states. And now it's kind of, you know,

633
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: there's a course correction going on there, but there's still

634
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 1: some really badass opportunities out there. And I will say

635
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: this that that western northwestern corner of Nebraska that everybody

636
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 1: wants to head to is pretty bad ass. It's it's

637
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 1: bad ass, but I will be the first to let

638
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 1: you know there's a lot of other hunters out there there. Well,

639
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: it's a it's yeah, it's a magnet for hunting pressure.

640
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: And if you drive through Nebraska, you're driving by a

641
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: lot of pretty good hunting opportunities. To get to that

642
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: corner of the state, I would say, don't be don't

643
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: be afraid to check out some other parts of Nebraska.

644
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: All right, So those are two options. And you said Kansas.

645
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,760
Speaker 1: Have you hunted Kansas before? I have not hunted Kansas.

646
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 1: I've been in a tree stand in Kansas with my uncle,

647
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: but never never hunted. I do want to add something here, though.

648
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 1: I have been collecting preference points in Wyoming for eight

649
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: years now. So I at this July, when I purchased

650
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: my preference point, I will have like eight preference points

651
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: for elk, eight preference points for antelope, and like six

652
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: preference points for deer, I believe. And so I'm while

653
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: I'm doing these other things, I'm also planning and calculating

654
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: for a like a really big once in a lifetime

655
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: hunt where I'll probably try to schedule two weeks out

656
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: there to go try to chase elk or some of

657
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: these other species. So it's just one of these things.

658
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 1: And that's why I kind of like I kind of

659
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,760
Speaker 1: I personally kind of like the preference point system because

660
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:08,720
Speaker 1: you're waiting in line while you're also hunting other other places,

661
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: and the more you wait in line, the It's not

662
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: necessarily true this next statement isn't necessarily true all of

663
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: the times, but most of the time, more preference points

664
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: that you have, the better unit you can get into,

665
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 1: has a little bit more access, has less hunters in it,

666
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: and it just gives you an opportunity to do something

667
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: really special. Yeah, I'm I'm kind of agnostic on the

668
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: preference point saying I've got the same deal going on

669
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: in Wyoming, but I have quite a few more points

670
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: than you do. Yeah, but I look at it as

671
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: long as they don't change the rules halfway through, which

672
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: which you see some states do that. So you've bought

673
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 1: into the promise of this kind of system, and then

674
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: when they change it and you're already you know, eight

675
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: points deep, that sucks. The The other thing I would

676
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: say on that is anybody listening to this who's like,

677
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: oh man, I'm gonna go buy Wyoming points, and then

678
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: they're gonna get there and they're gonna go, oh my god,

679
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:10,959
Speaker 1: I could draw a big horn sheep or a moose

680
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: tag or you know this premiere ELK unit. Do some

681
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,760
Speaker 1: research before you start buying in on preference points because

682
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 1: people starting today and some of these really once in

683
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: a lifetime type animals you're never gonna draw. Like you,

684
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: look at how many people are ahead of you, and

685
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: look at what it takes to draw now if it's

686
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,439
Speaker 1: twenty or twenty two points or whatever it is, and

687
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: they're given three tags a year in this unit. Like you,

688
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,399
Speaker 1: some of these situations you'll never get into, and so

689
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: just pay attention to it. There are some opportunities out

690
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: there to buy some points and get into some you know.

691
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: I mean you you're probably gonna need them for general

692
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: units here, or you might already, I'm not sure, but

693
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: just pay attention to that. I mean, that is one

694
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: thing I like about Iowa is every May, I can

695
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 1: buy my point and I can look at what it

696
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: took to draw each zone in Iowa and I go, okay,

697
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: I should theoretically be able to hunt here in two

698
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: years or three years, And you can plan around that,

699
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: and honestly, this is where everything's going, and it's not

700
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: going to just be a nonresident game. In ten years, twelve,

701
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 1: fifteen years, people are going to be playing the Points

702
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: game in their home state too. I think, like I

703
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: think this is just coming. As you know, we have

704
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,879
Speaker 1: more people on the landscape and fewer places to hunt,

705
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: So learning about it is not a bad thing. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely,

706
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,959
Speaker 1: God forbid it ever gets to that. But I don't

707
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 1: disagree that something like some big changes to some of

708
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: these states are coming. Well, I mean it's it's coming.

709
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: I mean, these these state game agencies are going to

710
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 1: have to generate revenue. And if you you know, I mean,

711
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: we haven't really seen the price situation, even as crazy

712
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: as it has gotten, we haven't seen that. You know,

713
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: people go, I'm not I'm not going to I am

714
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: I'm not going to play the game. But theoretically, you

715
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: just think it would happen eventually, and you just you

716
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: look at the resource management and I just think it's

717
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: coming at some point. I know a lot of people

718
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: probably don't, but I think the face of this world

719
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 1: is going to change a lot in the next ten years.

720
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 1: And it's just it's not going to get easier for anyone,

721
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: you know, I mean you think about you know, you

722
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: look at Colorado right now you can go buy and

723
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: over the counter ELK tag at least you could. You know,

724
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 1: that's that's probably gonna change too, and the residents are

725
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: going to cheer that. But you know, wolves come in, CWD,

726
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: hits hard, whatever, bad winners, and all of a sudden,

727
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: your ELK herd is fifty percent of what it was,

728
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 1: like like you that could happen, and then what you know,

729
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 1: and then it's like, okay, well we're not going to

730
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: let everybody go buy a license and go hunt these

731
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: because this is a resource we have to manage. So

732
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: now you're gonna have to play this game. And that's

733
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: a pure hypothetical, but I just kind of think that's

734
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: coming to a lot of states eventually. Yeah, I agree.

735
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: So all right, So Kansas, Kansas is an interesting one.

736
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: I've only ever I've only hunted there one time, and

737
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 1: I had arguably maybe the most amazing morning of my

738
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: life with buck activity. It was pretty crazy. But Kansas

739
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: is Kansas is a weird one for non residence to

740
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: go to because I think some people kind of underestimate

741
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: how like how prevalent baiting is on private land and

742
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,280
Speaker 1: how that can affect things. And you know, like you mentioned,

743
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: you know, it's not like a state that's overrun with

744
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: public land. It's it's an interesting opportunity because there's big

745
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 1: deer there, but it's not Sometimes I think it's not

746
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 1: what people expect, right, I would I would say that

747
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:48,919
Speaker 1: my interest in Kansas is two things. One, my uncle

748
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: lives there and he is somewhat responsible for me getting

749
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 1: into the outdoors. Right. He took me peasant hunting when

750
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: I was a whipper snapper, you know, and so that

751
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 1: that that's that's a big one. But second is how

752
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: some people think of Iowa. I mean, I live in Iowa,

753
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: so I get to see Iowa for its true beauty.

754
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: But my day my daydream state, like some people daydream

755
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 1: about Iowa, my daydream state is Kansas. And so when

756
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: I when I think about, hey, an opportunity outside of

757
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: Iowa to run into a big buck, that's probably that's

758
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 1: that's where my mind goes. Yeah, well understandably, So, Uh, Kansas,

759
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: Kansas has plenty to offer. Uh what about what about Oklahoma?

760
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: Why Oklahoma? So? Oklahoma? Um is one of those things where. Man.

761
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: I really like, once you start saying something is a

762
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: sleeper state or something is good. And I got a

763
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: buddy on the network here that every time I say

764
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: the word Oklahoma, I get a text from him and

765
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: he's like, dude, shut up, just like stop talking about it, man.

766
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: And so I really do think from a from a

767
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: public land standpoint, Oklahoma has a lot to offer that.

768
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,879
Speaker 1: I mean, shit, a couple of years ago, Oklahoma had

769
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: the most two hundred inch deer come out of it

770
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: in one year. That more than Nebraska, or more than Iowa,

771
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: more than Illinois, more than Kansas. So we we have

772
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 1: we have this opportunity not only for just good deer hunting,

773
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: but potentially great deer hunting in that state. And so

774
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: why I'm interested in Oklahoma is because of the proximity

775
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,919
Speaker 1: to Kansas, and so it's an opportunity to just hit

776
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: two places at one time. Yeah. Have you have you

777
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: hunted Oklahoma? Not? Not yet? No, are you planning to

778
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: hunt in public land? Yes? Um, I've hunted Oklahoma a

779
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: couple of times. It's it's one of my favorite states

780
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: as far as just high deer density. Like I've hunted

781
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,280
Speaker 1: a couple different regions in that state. They're pretty far apart,

782
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 1: and there's just a lot of deer down there. The

783
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: public lands pretty decent, there's there. You know, one thing

784
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: I will say about Oklahoma is it feels to me

785
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: sort of like when I hunt Wisconsin, Like it's like, man,

786
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 1: everybody hunts, you know what I mean, Like there's just

787
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,240
Speaker 1: like a high proportion of the of the state that hunts.

788
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: But also, I've never had a bad interaction down there.

789
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: Like every resident I've met down there that was out

790
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: hunting where we were hunting has been awesome. And I

791
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: know that's like a really small sample size, but it's

792
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: just a cool state. It's cool opportunities over the counter.

793
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,919
Speaker 1: For now, you get a whole bunch of tags. I think.

794
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: I think there's talk of maybe limiting buck tags down

795
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 1: there eventually, which you know kind of makes sense, but whatever,

796
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 1: But it's a cool opportunity. And and like you said,

797
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: you can hunt you know, northern Oklahoma and be damn

798
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: near hunting Kansas type deer in a different situation, or

799
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: you can hunt out western Oklahoma. You know, that's where

800
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: I hunted the first time, in kind of southwestern Oklahoma,

801
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 1: And man, it was like it was almost like a

802
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:23,720
Speaker 1: Texas hunt kind of with the terrain and totally different.

803
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: And then I hunted southern southern Oklahoma one time, real

804
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: close to Texas, and it was like a pure Texas

805
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: hunt with fire ants and everything. So it's pretty wild

806
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: down there. Yeah, and on top of Oklahoma, this is

807
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,720
Speaker 1: another another couple of things that I've really been thinking

808
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: about lately, and it's just I don't know why it

809
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: didn't hit me sooner, but I have Iowa. I lived

810
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,280
Speaker 1: in the eastern part of the state. I'm three hours

811
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:55,839
Speaker 1: from Minnesota, I'm an hour and a half from two

812
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,919
Speaker 1: hour and a half, two hours from Wisconsin, and I'm

813
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:02,399
Speaker 1: forty five minutes to an hour from Illinois. And I've

814
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,760
Speaker 1: never taken the opportunity to hunt any of those states

815
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: and they're right next door. And so I just have

816
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: this feeling that if I go east, I just run

817
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:14,439
Speaker 1: into more and more people, you know what I mean.

818
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: And so I just I'm going to start putting some

819
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 1: as my kids get into more activities and as life

820
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: just eventually gets busier and busier, I think I'm going

821
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 1: to find myself looking into Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Illinois a

822
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 1: lot more. Yeah. Well, I mean a Missouri excuse me

823
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: for Missouri as well. Yeah, one thing to consider there too,

824
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 1: because this is you know again kind of back to

825
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: we kind of start our planning or our daydreaming on

826
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: this around where can we go kill a big one?

827
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: But just take if you take Iowa, for example, and

828
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: you have your October one opener, so many states that

829
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: are close to you will let you hunt for two

830
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: weeks or more before that, right, And and that's something

831
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,720
Speaker 1: you know, like one of the main reasons I started

832
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: traveling to hunt. You know, in Minnesota this year, our

833
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: gun season starts on November fourth, So if I want

834
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: to bow hunt the rut, I gotta leave, right And

835
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: so it's like you sort of start planning around that too.

836
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 1: So if you have an October opener, you might be

837
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: able to get somewhere and have a couple of weeks

838
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: of hunting, or you know, when your state's gun season opens,

839
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: you might be able to skip across the border and

840
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: go bow hunt somewhere else. Like there's a lot of

841
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: reasons to go. Or like you said, if you're taking

842
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,879
Speaker 1: your kids and you want them to experience a cool

843
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: trip where you're camping and doing stuff. But you don't

844
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: want to drive them, you know, twelve fourteen hours out west.

845
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: There's there's things to do, there's opportunities out there for

846
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:42,760
Speaker 1: the white tail hunter with a little bit of ambition.

847
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: Who can afford it. Yeah, yep, it's it's the it's

848
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 1: the white tail. But my have a I have a

849
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: bucket list, and it's I have it written down that

850
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: it's right here on my desk. And so I was

851
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 1: looking into a couple of these hunts and I'm just like,

852
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 1: I'm going to have to save a lot of money

853
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: in order to even get close to some of these animals.

854
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: But elk and mule heer, Like, I still have not

855
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: killed a mule deer, and I really want to kill

856
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: a mule, to kill an elk, I want to kill

857
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: a prong horn. I think those three animals are I

858
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: feel like I'm going to be able to accomplish that fairly.

859
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say easily, but I should be able

860
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: to accomplish them from a financial standpoint, with not a

861
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: lot of effort. And I'm not looking for giants, right,

862
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 1: but I'm just looking for a cool opportunity those three animals.

863
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: I've two more animals that I want to kill one

864
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: is a moose, and I want it to be a

865
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: certain way, Like I want to get on a boat.

866
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: I want to I want to take a plane into

867
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere. I want to get on a

868
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: boat and I want to float down a river and

869
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: I want to stop. I want to call moose and

870
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: I want that, you know, I want that that experience

871
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: like I saw it on TV when I was a kid.

872
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: I was like, I want that experience. That's a once

873
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 1: in a lifetime deal. Right, then I want a caribout.

874
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 1: And really, if I kill those five animals, I'm going like,

875
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: I'm going to be happy with my life as a hunter.

876
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: All of my bucket lists animals and experience his at

877
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: that point have been met. And then maybe from there

878
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 1: I'll go on and do some some other different things.

879
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 1: But those last two are going to be expensive. And

880
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: I don't mean from necessarily just if I could go

881
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: into Alaska and go on public and go do that

882
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 1: thing and do it cheap, but still from Iowa to

883
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: Alaska is a big trip, right, There's no saying that

884
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: going to Alaska and doing it is going to be

885
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:53,919
Speaker 1: cheap in any way exactly exactly, And so those two

886
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: things have take a little bit more planning in preparation

887
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: and a little bit more in the savings account, in

888
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: the hunting account, I guess I'll say, and then just

889
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: realize that a couple of those trips are going to

890
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:06,760
Speaker 1: be once in a lifetime, so I want to make account.

891
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, well, and I mean that's a good

892
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: point too, right, Like if you if you're sitting there

893
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: listening to this and you're like, oh, man, you know,

894
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 1: it's it's hard for me to even conceive of making

895
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 1: over the road whitetail trip happen, but you're sitting there

896
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 1: daydreaming about some of these Western critters. Man, the only

897
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: way to to get there is just to start learning

898
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 1: how to do this stuff, you know, I mean it goes.

899
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: We talk a lot about, you know, figuring out how

900
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:33,919
Speaker 1: to get tags and played the points game and by

901
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 1: the buy your license or whatever, but it's also how

902
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: how sharp are your e scouting skills? Like how comfortable

903
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: are you driving quite a ways away from home and

904
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: camping and hunting out of a camp if that's what

905
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 1: you're gonna do those things, you know, once you start,

906
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 1: you know, I started doing that with turkeys when I

907
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: was in high school, just just cause you're like, you know,

908
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 1: I mean that that was the thing that we could

909
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: afford to go travel the hunt and you just realize

910
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: like how many holes you have in your game. But

911
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: you also start building some confidence in that kind of thing.

912
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 1: And it takes time. You know, like a lot of

913
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: people go I'm gonna go do that elk hunt. First

914
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, great, but that's an expensive prop even

915
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: for a DIY over the counter deal is not really

916
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 1: very cheap. And then you've got, you know, the added

917
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: stress of like that's a big you know, like a

918
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: big license to buy, and you tell everybody you're gonna go,

919
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: and you got to get in shape, and then you

920
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: get out there and you're like all your EA scouting

921
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: is kind of like, oh I found some meadows, I

922
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: found a water hole or watering hole, Like yeah, so

923
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 1: did everybody else, now what you know, And it's running

924
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: through this stuff and getting used to it a little

925
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: closer to home on like a little bit less stressful

926
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:51,919
Speaker 1: type of hunt, like a whitetail hunt is really beneficial

927
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:56,760
Speaker 1: and still a hell of a lot of fun. Yeah, yeah, Well,

928
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: one thing about collecting information, you know, EA scouting is

929
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:04,919
Speaker 1: great when I here's what my first years, first two years,

930
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: my first year in Nebraska, my first year in South Dakota,

931
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: I drove or walked by everybody I saw. If I

932
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,240
Speaker 1: saw someone, I just kept moving. If there was somebody

933
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: on the road, I just kept moving. And you know,

934
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 1: I didn't want to tell them what I was about.

935
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:19,839
Speaker 1: I didn't want to tell they didn't want to tell

936
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 1: me what they're about. That's what I thought. Man, I

937
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: couldn't have been more wrong. Now. I talked to absolutely

938
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: everybody I see, because most of the time people will

939
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: drop some kind of information. And so a perfect example

940
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: of this is I ran out to some antelope hunters

941
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: when I was in Nebraska, and I said, you know,

942
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 1: I just started talking with them. We sparked up a conversation,

943
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 1: and they're out there for they're out there for antelope.

944
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: I'm out there for deer. And I said, hey, man,

945
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: I saw some antelope over here, and they're like, hey, dude,

946
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: I saw some I saw a really big buck over here.

947
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 1: And so we change we shared information, and it really

948
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:07,919
Speaker 1: didn't affect us, right. And so man, it's just one

949
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 1: way to continue to gather information out there is to

950
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: be friendly and talk to people. Man, I talked to landowners. Now.

951
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 1: Where I was hunting in South Dakota was a like

952
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 1: the worst experiences I've ever had in talking with people

953
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 1: in South in certain parts of South Dakota. But in Nebraska, Man,

954
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: I was talking every guy I ran into landowner cattle operation,

955
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: you know, other hunters. Man. Everybody is willing to share information,

956
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 1: and I think that's really a cool thing about about

957
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 1: hunting out of state. A lot of people who are like, Hey,

958
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 1: I want to go to Oklahoma and hunt public land too,

959
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 1: or I want to go somewhere in the Midwest because

960
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: I live out east and I want to go hunt

961
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: those dumb cornfed deer. They'll they'll jump on a forum,

962
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: you know, bow site or rock slide or whatever, and hey,

963
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about going to north or you know, North

964
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 1: Dakota or Nebraska or whatever, and I want to hunt

965
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 1: public land. Anybody have any suggestions, You're gonna get the worst,

966
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: most bullshit information. So often do it because you know,

967
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 1: first off, there are a lot of people who don't

968
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 1: want you there, so they're gonna just lie to you whatever.

969
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 1: These are strangers, they don't care about you. Secondly, they

970
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: might not have a clue what they're talking about. Again,

971
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 1: And the same thing happens if you talk to people

972
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 1: in person sometimes where it you have to you have

973
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: to just think, like what does this person actually know?

974
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, I can't I can't tell you

975
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,879
Speaker 1: how many times I've seen something on a forum where

976
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, don't come to Nebraska because our

977
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 1: gun seasons in the middle of the rut, and the

978
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 1: rifle hunters shoot all of the deer when they're two

979
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: and a half. You're never going to kill a big

980
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:10,360
Speaker 1: one on public land. And it's like, okay, like you

981
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 1: you have places where there's ninety thousand acres of public

982
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 1: land in one spot, there aren't any big bucks in there,

983
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 1: like you don't think so like, and so I just

984
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 1: say take it with a grain of salt and understand

985
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 1: just like generally what you're getting into to go to

986
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: a spot, you know, like not not not necessarily maybe

987
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: trophy quality, but like the deer density situation to some extent,

988
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 1: the pressure situation to some extent, and just understand, like

989
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: you can forge your own path and most of the

990
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 1: people if you're if you're willing to go travel and

991
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 1: hunt and do the work. You're probably going to out

992
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 1: hunt most of the people you could get information from.

993
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: That's just generally true. So just kind of you kind

994
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 1: of got to go like Ford, your own path and

995
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 1: really not listen to or not not pay attention to

996
00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: a lot of the information you might be able to

997
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: kind of gather up because it might not mean anything

998
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 1: to you and it might actually hurt you, know, mentally

999
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 1: to take that in and go, oh, man, what if

1000
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: these guys are right about the deer quality or you know,

1001
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: HD killed them all here or whatever. Like, Man, there's

1002
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: a lot of bs out there right right, and you

1003
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 1: got to use your best judgment to weed that out. Yep, yep. Well,

1004
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 1: and you got to think, too, this is partially, like

1005
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 1: we said, to just go experience a new place, right right,

1006
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 1: Like it's just it's just partially to go have and

1007
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:37,919
Speaker 1: experience somewhere else. And so if you're placing a little

1008
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: bit too much value on whether there's one hundred and

1009
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: forty inches all over, you're kind of missing the point.

1010
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: And if you're traveling to hunt like that, and especially

1011
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 1: if you're going to go hunt in public land, you

1012
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: there's there's probably deer there that you'd be really happy with,

1013
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 1: like generally, no matter where you're going to go. And

1014
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 1: I know people say, oh, yeah, come to my state

1015
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 1: and hunt the public land. I'm like, there's there's good

1016
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 1: deer in a lot of places. Now I'm not talking

1017
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 1: one seventies, but I'm talking deer that if you're on

1018
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 1: a five day public land hunt and it walks by,

1019
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 1: you're going to shoot it and be real happy. And

1020
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: so you kind I'm not expecting, yeah, I'm sorry. I'm

1021
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: not expecting to shoot Iowa quality deer when I go

1022
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: to western Nebraska or when I go to uh maybe Oklahoma.

1023
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 1: I'm not expecting that there's a sliding scale with everywhere

1024
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: I go. And I'll be honest, I haven't shot a

1025
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: lot of deer out of state yet. And so the

1026
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 1: deer that I did shoot in South Dakota, man, I

1027
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 1: look at it every day and I'm so jacked about

1028
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: that hunt. I relive it every day. And so it's

1029
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 1: less about quality of deer and and just keep coming

1030
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 1: back to the word experience. Man yep, well yeah, and

1031
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 1: I mean this is this is something I don't I

1032
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 1: don't know if people actually listen to me on it

1033
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 1: or not. But you know, like you talked about how

1034
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 1: you still want to go. You want to get an elk,

1035
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 1: you want to get a meal door, you want to

1036
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 1: get an antelope, and you know, I look at those

1037
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:01,439
Speaker 1: opportunities the same way look at traveling for white tails.

1038
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 1: In most situations. I'm like, man, low standards are your friend.

1039
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: Like if you go if you go hunt, uh, you know,

1040
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 1: Oklahoma white tails and you you grew up in Michigan

1041
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 1: or you grew up in Ohio or whatever, that's a

1042
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 1: different world, a different thing, you know, I mean, judging

1043
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 1: those deers so different. There's there're a lot smaller, and

1044
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:27,640
Speaker 1: especially in certain parts of it's just you're into it

1045
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 1: for a whole different experience. And if you bring your

1046
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 1: home standards to odd of state hunts, it's sort of

1047
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 1: a recipe for disaster most of the time. And this

1048
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 1: is true on white tails. This is really true. If

1049
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 1: you start to go hunt elk and meal deer and antelope,

1050
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:47,479
Speaker 1: and if you're in you're pounding away on public land

1051
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: on easy to get tags. Listen, like it is it

1052
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 1: is not easy if you're a tree standing hunter to

1053
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 1: go out in spot and stock antelope. Trust me, Like,

1054
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 1: if you if you go and you're like, well, it's

1055
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 1: got to be seventy inches plus a good luck, Like

1056
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:03,439
Speaker 1: you're gonna eat that tag? Like you just you just

1057
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 1: probably are, whether even if you're sitting in a blind

1058
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 1: on a water hole all day, which looks real easy

1059
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 1: on TV. It's it's just a different kind of deal.

1060
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: And you got to understand that you're you're getting into

1061
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 1: this for different reasons. Yeah, that's a fact. That's a fact,

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01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 1: my friend. All Right, So let's let's run through this

1063
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 1: hypothetical here. All of your plans fall through and you're like,

1064
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 1: I guess I gotta go hunt Oklahoma public land. Where

1065
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 1: where do you start? Then? Wait, like it's like hunt

1066
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 1: timing wise? What do you factor in there? What do

1067
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: you start you know, doing e scouting wise? Like how

1068
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 1: do you how do you build the foundation of that hunt?

1069
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 1: All right? So the foundation of that hunt is is

1070
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 1: this first things. First, I'm looking at when the rifle

1071
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: season starts up in that state, and I think Oklahoma

1072
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 1: starts on like the tenth in November or something like that.

1073
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 1: And so that tells me I don't want to be

1074
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 1: in a I don't want to be in a bow

1075
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 1: hunting scenario. When a gun season's going around, I want

1076
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 1: to be as close to the rut as humanly possible,

1077
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 1: knowing that I have Iowa to hunt as well, and

1078
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:18,479
Speaker 1: I want to be there for you know, the best

1079
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 1: time in Iowa. And so I also have to know

1080
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 1: that from a family standpoint, I can't just be gone

1081
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 1: for one month straight throughout the year, going from South

1082
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 1: Dakota to Nebraska to Iowa to Oklahoma. Right, So if

1083
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 1: I'm going to probably go in a pre timeframe, I'll

1084
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 1: probably stay as a late into October as possible. And

1085
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 1: and so that's my timeframe, okay. And so outside of that,

1086
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 1: then it just becomes e scouting on huntstand or whatever

1087
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 1: other like on x or whatever other app you use,

1088
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:05,919
Speaker 1: Google Maps, Google Earth. I'm looking at everything, and I'm

1089
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 1: scouring everything. I get my leads just like other people do.

1090
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 1: I talk with buddies and I say, hey, man, you know,

1091
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 1: talk to me a little bit about what you've felt

1092
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 1: about this area, or I just gather information that way

1093
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 1: and that could potentially lead me into at least a

1094
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 1: starting point. And at that starting point, then I'm looking

1095
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 1: for access routes. Then I'm looking for edge, Then I'm

1096
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 1: looking for cover. Then I'm looking at satellite imagery, I'm

1097
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 1: looking at topo, I'm looking at water, I'm looking for

1098
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 1: potential food sources. All the things that I do here,

1099
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:43,080
Speaker 1: but I'm just doing it on an app or computer there,

1100
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 1: and so that really is the foundation. And then that

1101
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 1: way I have a starting point and then from there,

1102
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 1: if that starting point sucks, then I start to get

1103
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 1: real mobile, and then I go figure out stuff on

1104
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 1: the fly. Well, I want to talk about that because

1105
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:01,440
Speaker 1: and I'll use Oklahoma as an example again here it's

1106
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 1: just to just to further piss off your buddy on

1107
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 1: the network U when I when I hunted down there

1108
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 1: the first time I hunted on on their October one opener.

1109
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 1: So I was down there for six seven days camping

1110
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 1: on the opener. And my plan going into that, I go,

1111
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:23,480
Speaker 1: I'm going to southwest Oklahoma on October one. It's going

1112
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 1: to be a million degrees. I'm gonna find every pond

1113
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 1: I can that's tucked as far back in as I can,

1114
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:31,959
Speaker 1: and I'm going to build an entire plan around water.

1115
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 1: And then I drive fourteen hours out there and it

1116
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 1: rains for six days, miserable and immediately negates ninety nine

1117
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 1: percent of the East scouting I did because I got

1118
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:51,480
Speaker 1: married to an idea and I got too cocky. And

1119
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 1: that happens a lot. And so when you when you

1120
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 1: think about this, like what you're talking about is like,

1121
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:59,439
Speaker 1: I'm looking for this feature, that feature, these features, all

1122
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 1: of this stuff. What you're doing is saying, I'm building

1123
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 1: plan A through Z because I don't know what's coming

1124
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:08,600
Speaker 1: for me when I get there, right. And so when

1125
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 1: you're when you're listening to this, think about that for

1126
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 1: your East coating, You're like, Oh, I'm gonna go during

1127
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 1: the rut to this state, so I'm only going to find,

1128
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:19,720
Speaker 1: you know, the best most badass looking terrain traps and

1129
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:22,760
Speaker 1: funnels and whatever out there. And then you get there

1130
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 1: and it's one of those ruts where it's eighty degrees

1131
01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 1: in the day and you know, the NonStop chasing that

1132
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 1: you were counting on isn't happening. What's what's your fallback?

1133
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 1: Right right? Like? Or the other thing that I would

1134
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 1: say on this note is, you know, let's say, you know,

1135
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 1: you talked about how you want to plan your timing

1136
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 1: around being home for the best hunting during the rut

1137
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 1: in Iowa. Absolutely makes sense. Right now. What if I

1138
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 1: draw Iowa and I go, Man, I can't wait to

1139
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:57,240
Speaker 1: go hunt that Iowa Rut. But I'm on public land

1140
01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 1: in a place where there isn't very much public land.

1141
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 1: Now my plan might look a lot different than yours,

1142
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 1: because you you might be going into a situation where

1143
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 1: you're like, I'm not dealing with public land pressure, but

1144
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 1: I could be if I planned it around that. So

1145
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 1: I show up, not only is it me and every

1146
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 1: other nonresident there who wants that Iowa rut, but all

1147
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 1: the residents are like, hell, yeah, we're getting onto the

1148
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 1: woods now. So you have to think about that stuff

1149
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 1: when you're looking at this. It's not just like how

1150
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 1: can I how can I preserve my best hunting at

1151
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 1: home while still having this cool experience over the road,

1152
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 1: Like what are you going to deal with? And you mentioned,

1153
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 1: you know, the gun seasons or something like that, Like

1154
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:37,640
Speaker 1: when you when you plan this stuff, man, you know

1155
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 1: there's youth seasons out there. There's there's early antlerless seasons

1156
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 1: that you know you don't you won't have them in

1157
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:46,600
Speaker 1: your state the same way. And then you travel somewhere

1158
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, now you got to wear blaze orange,

1159
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 1: or now you can't shoot bucks for four days, or

1160
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 1: now you can't hunt state owned public land. All of

1161
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:55,600
Speaker 1: that research. You got to do that stuff ahead of

1162
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 1: time so you don't get surprised when you get out there. Yeah,

1163
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 1: or there's antelope hunters or pheasant hunters or small game

1164
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 1: hunters or coyote hunters doing this exact same thing that

1165
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 1: you're trying to do, but they're they're doing it louder,

1166
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:13,440
Speaker 1: and they're doing you know what I mean, like yep.

1167
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 1: I can just remember when I got bit by that dog.

1168
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 1: I had put all this time into this one particular

1169
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 1: piece scouting it, and I go, dude, I'm gonna get it.

1170
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get back there. It's gonna be money. And

1171
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 1: it was. It was good. But the first sit, I'm

1172
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 1: sitting there with a spotting scope waiting for all these

1173
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 1: deer to come off off private back down into the bedding,

1174
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 1: and that morning here comes this cocker spaniel or whatever.

1175
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:41,919
Speaker 1: He was just jumping into the weeds and busting pheasants out,

1176
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 1: busting deer out left and right. And it took a

1177
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 1: day or two for that proper, you know, for that

1178
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:48,960
Speaker 1: area to recover. And so That's one thing that you

1179
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 1: got to think about too. It's like, Okay, I'm traveling,

1180
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:54,520
Speaker 1: is there any other seasons for any other game open

1181
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 1: as well, because that can have an impact as well.

1182
01:07:57,120 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 1: Big ten, that's a good point. And that's a special

1183
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 1: concerning if you travel to a state like South Dakota,

1184
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 1: where the pheasant opener is like a religious experience, like

1185
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 1: it's a it's a different level. And you know, I mean,

1186
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 1: or you can see this, you know, we we dealt

1187
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 1: with this in North Dakota a lot where the archery

1188
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 1: opener would coincide with the resident once in a lifetime

1189
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:25,519
Speaker 1: elk hunt or or or some people could draw that tag.

1190
01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:28,599
Speaker 1: So what you ended up with was people who are

1191
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:31,440
Speaker 1: only going to draw that tag once in their lifetime.

1192
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:36,320
Speaker 1: And everybody's uncle and brother and cousin comes along to

1193
01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:38,920
Speaker 1: help them scout and glass, and they're pushing and it's

1194
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 1: a it's even though you're like, oh, it shouldn't be

1195
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 1: that busy because they're only selling this many tags to

1196
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 1: hunters like me. If you don't know what else is

1197
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:51,679
Speaker 1: going on there, you can be in for a real surprise.

1198
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 1: And and I would say on top of that, one

1199
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 1: of the things you know, like when you're talking about

1200
01:08:57,240 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 1: you know you you're like, this is my spot, I'm

1201
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:01,840
Speaker 1: watching it, or the deer here, this is going to happen,

1202
01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 1: and then something like that happens where a thousand hunter

1203
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:09,600
Speaker 1: comes through or whatever. If you don't have that backup

1204
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:13,200
Speaker 1: built into your plan ahead of time, there's lost time

1205
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:16,839
Speaker 1: right there. Like there's a mental aspect of it that sucks,

1206
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 1: and there's just a logistical aspect of like now what

1207
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 1: do I do? And I've told this on here a

1208
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 1: whole bunch of times, but I'll tell it again quick.

1209
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:27,759
Speaker 1: The last time I went to Oklahoma, I put all

1210
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:30,759
Speaker 1: my money on red Man. I was like, this spot

1211
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to is several thousand acres. It's gonna be

1212
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:39,400
Speaker 1: all I need. And I drove all the way down

1213
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 1: there with a buddy of mine and we set up

1214
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 1: camp and started looking for deer. And it was a

1215
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 1: ghost town. I mean, it was brutal, and I didn't

1216
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 1: have a backup, and so I'm sitting there in this

1217
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 1: kind of like isolated region going We're not this isn't

1218
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:56,599
Speaker 1: gonna happen here, and We're halfway through our hunt, and

1219
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:59,360
Speaker 1: so we just we started looking for new places to

1220
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:02,559
Speaker 1: go and called an audible and drove four hours to

1221
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 1: a totally different area and we got lucky. We ended

1222
01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 1: up killing some deer there and it ended up being

1223
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 1: pretty good. But that was lucky. You know, like you

1224
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:13,200
Speaker 1: don't you don't want to get into a situation where

1225
01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:15,559
Speaker 1: you're like, this is this is it. I'm camping here,

1226
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 1: I'm hunting here. This is all I'm gonna do without

1227
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 1: at least considering where would you go if that place

1228
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:25,760
Speaker 1: sucks for some reason. And there's one more trend I

1229
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 1: really want to mention here is a lot of people

1230
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:32,040
Speaker 1: try to hit openers. So South Dakota has the nonresident

1231
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 1: opener or um. Certain states have the like the hunter

1232
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:40,400
Speaker 1: the residents can hunt before that, but non residents can't

1233
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:43,679
Speaker 1: hunt until a certain date on a couple of these states.

1234
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:48,599
Speaker 1: And so what we do then is we go in

1235
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:52,800
Speaker 1: there and I just wait for that mass. The first

1236
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 1: year I went, it was okay, but I was running

1237
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:57,640
Speaker 1: into a lot of other hunters. You let that, you

1238
01:10:57,720 --> 01:10:59,559
Speaker 1: let some of those dates slide a week, or you

1239
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:02,960
Speaker 1: go before a certain holiday or after a certain holiday,

1240
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 1: then it opens up because everybody what hunters are almost

1241
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:11,439
Speaker 1: like animals. We trend. We tend to do the same

1242
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 1: thing over and over again. Humans do that as well,

1243
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 1: and so if you can find your niche outside of

1244
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:22,840
Speaker 1: the trends that other hunters are using, I feel that

1245
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 1: just gives you a one up compared to everybody else

1246
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 1: big time. That's that's a really good point. I mean,

1247
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:31,760
Speaker 1: we saw that with a couple of the you know,

1248
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:34,000
Speaker 1: the Dakotas and a couple of western states in Kentucky

1249
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:38,200
Speaker 1: when the velvet thing got really hot and everybody wanted

1250
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 1: their velvet buck. And you go hunt those states on

1251
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:43,600
Speaker 1: the opener, you know, which is typically going to be

1252
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:47,880
Speaker 1: like a September one deal and it's like overrun with people.

1253
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:50,719
Speaker 1: But you go back three weeks later or four weeks later,

1254
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 1: and you can have the place to yourself. And that's

1255
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 1: that's something. You know, I mentioned that with Iowa and

1256
01:11:57,400 --> 01:12:00,479
Speaker 1: the planning down there, and you know, I'm looking at

1257
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:02,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna apply again down there now because I have

1258
01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:03,920
Speaker 1: enough points where I might be able to get into

1259
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:08,800
Speaker 1: that unit I hunted the last time, and I'll probably

1260
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 1: go in mid October for the majority of my hunt

1261
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 1: because I'm hunting public land and I know the opener

1262
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:17,320
Speaker 1: will have a bunch of people out just because it will,

1263
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 1: and I know the rut will have a bunch of

1264
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:21,840
Speaker 1: people out. And if I want to catch deer and

1265
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:23,519
Speaker 1: kind of work against the deer and not have to

1266
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 1: worry about tons of competition, there's going to be a

1267
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:29,760
Speaker 1: window there in October where people just kind of they

1268
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 1: take their foot off the gas a little bit. And

1269
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:33,679
Speaker 1: you see that. I see that in northern Wisconsin, where

1270
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 1: I hunt a lot too. My best hunts on public

1271
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:40,920
Speaker 1: land there are always during the lull, just because people

1272
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:43,559
Speaker 1: aren't out there. So you gotta I know, it sucks

1273
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 1: to plan a kind of an expensive hunt that you

1274
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 1: gotta take some PTO four and whatever and then be like, man,

1275
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:51,720
Speaker 1: I don't really want to go hunt the second week October.

1276
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:55,639
Speaker 1: But it's like, yeah, well, I mean you gotta, like

1277
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 1: you kind of got to make an educated guess what

1278
01:12:57,479 --> 01:13:01,160
Speaker 1: you're going to get into. Pressure wise. Yeah, And so

1279
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 1: I can I can say this for many and I

1280
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 1: know for archers or bow hunters, you're you're up against

1281
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:12,160
Speaker 1: your state's gun season, right, and sometimes that comes in

1282
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:15,160
Speaker 1: early November, and sometimes, luckily for Iowa, doesn't even happen

1283
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:20,479
Speaker 1: until December. So but one thing that I've noticed is

1284
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:25,599
Speaker 1: people will blow their load real easy, real fast, and

1285
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:30,120
Speaker 1: then they'll leave. Okay, so November first hits in Iowa.

1286
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:35,040
Speaker 1: The next five to seven days are crazy. Everybody. Everybody

1287
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:41,200
Speaker 1: comes the first week, everybody, even the resident hunters. First week. Dude,

1288
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:45,000
Speaker 1: if people are more patient, they let that, they let

1289
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:49,719
Speaker 1: some of this slide. Let everybody else blow their load.

1290
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:53,720
Speaker 1: Then you come in and and and I feel like

1291
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 1: you you'll have the woods would be empty on certain

1292
01:13:57,160 --> 01:14:01,840
Speaker 1: certain times. Yep. And that's that's a good point too.

1293
01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 1: And I'm starting to I don't know, maybe this is

1294
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:06,760
Speaker 1: just because I've spent so much time on public land,

1295
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:09,639
Speaker 1: but I'm starting to think the second and third week

1296
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:13,720
Speaker 1: in November generally are maybe a better time to kill

1297
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:16,880
Speaker 1: a big one than that first week. Absolutely, and I'll

1298
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:20,880
Speaker 1: say this trail camera data for me proves that. Now.

1299
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:24,960
Speaker 1: I'm also in this category where I want to hop

1300
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:27,160
Speaker 1: in and I want to I want to strike while

1301
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:32,680
Speaker 1: the iron is hot on a local, local deer. And

1302
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 1: this is this is when I have tons of information available.

1303
01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:38,760
Speaker 1: But one thing that I've noticed in some of these

1304
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:42,840
Speaker 1: these closer to home whitetail states that I've hunted is

1305
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 1: once you get past peak breeding, then things open up,

1306
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:52,800
Speaker 1: and then shell camera camera data indicates tons of deer

1307
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:56,519
Speaker 1: that I've never seen before cruising through. And that is

1308
01:14:56,560 --> 01:15:01,720
Speaker 1: when I have my trail camera pictures of my biggest bucks. Yep, yeah,

1309
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:05,000
Speaker 1: I've I've noticed that up in Wisconsin where I hunt too.

1310
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:08,120
Speaker 1: If I leave a camera up one of my properties,

1311
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:14,040
Speaker 1: it's wild. It's not like a ton of consistent movement,

1312
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:18,920
Speaker 1: but the deer that show up are real interesting to me, right,

1313
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:21,599
Speaker 1: And it's you know, it's not like it's not even

1314
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 1: up there. It's not even one a day for sure,

1315
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:29,439
Speaker 1: but in those that week or two, it'll be a

1316
01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 1: couple where you're just like, man, I wish I had

1317
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:35,320
Speaker 1: been there, like enough to get you to go spend

1318
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 1: all day sits there on the off chance that today

1319
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:45,680
Speaker 1: is the day, right right? Absolutely? Yeah, all right? What else? Uh?

1320
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:48,600
Speaker 1: You you sleep in your truck a lot when you

1321
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:55,519
Speaker 1: go on these trips. Why Number one? Uh? Money? Right?

1322
01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:58,880
Speaker 1: I mean a hotel room even even off season in

1323
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:03,280
Speaker 1: some of these states are they're they're pretty cheap. But

1324
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:07,120
Speaker 1: my truck is zero dollars a night, and so I

1325
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:12,360
Speaker 1: have just found a real comfortable air mattress I've found

1326
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:16,760
Speaker 1: a comfortable you know, pads and and I can get

1327
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:19,639
Speaker 1: really comfortable in the back of my truck. I got

1328
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:22,880
Speaker 1: a really good sleeping bag this year. I upgraded my

1329
01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:27,479
Speaker 1: sleeping bag and it was crazy expensive, but still it's

1330
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 1: cheaper than sleeping in a hotel room. You know how

1331
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:37,639
Speaker 1: expensive that my I bought a Western mountaineering bag made

1332
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:41,000
Speaker 1: in America. I think it was six eighty five, so

1333
01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:45,960
Speaker 1: real expensive for a sleeping bag. Yeah, but that replaced

1334
01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:48,920
Speaker 1: the caught that that prevented me from having to get

1335
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:51,880
Speaker 1: a hotel room. Very comfortable in the back of my bed,

1336
01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:55,600
Speaker 1: and I'm spending less on gas money because I'm sleeping

1337
01:16:56,240 --> 01:16:58,920
Speaker 1: on the road or on some of these states, you

1338
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:00,720
Speaker 1: can park on the pub look and you can stay

1339
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:04,120
Speaker 1: there overnight, and so that's what I'm doing. And it

1340
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:08,240
Speaker 1: just it's it's less travel. I get more sleep because

1341
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 1: I'm not driving too and from a hotel room and

1342
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:13,240
Speaker 1: I pop up all my stuff's ready, get and go

1343
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:15,200
Speaker 1: and then come back, eats upp or go to bed,

1344
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:18,200
Speaker 1: and so I'm getting a ton of I'm getting more sleep,

1345
01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:20,720
Speaker 1: I'm spending less energy, I'm spending less on gas, I'm

1346
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:24,000
Speaker 1: spending less on hotel rooms and I pack a cooler

1347
01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:27,599
Speaker 1: full of all my food and I'm good to go.

1348
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:30,240
Speaker 1: And I mean I can get out there for seven

1349
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:34,280
Speaker 1: days if I wanted to. Yeah, there's a good way

1350
01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:39,080
Speaker 1: to look at that or these trips is the more

1351
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:41,679
Speaker 1: money you can spend before you go, the more you'll

1352
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:44,800
Speaker 1: save when you do go, because if you plan your

1353
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:47,080
Speaker 1: food out and you know, the lodging is a huge

1354
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 1: one and staying in a hotel. I'm so biased against

1355
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 1: that for bow hunts or big game hunts. I just

1356
01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 1: not only because it is expensive, but it's just a

1357
01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:01,280
Speaker 1: pain in the ass, like getting you know, drive into

1358
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:03,280
Speaker 1: wherever you're gonna hunt, like you're talking about, as opposed

1359
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:05,559
Speaker 1: to being set up there. There's a lot of reasons

1360
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:09,840
Speaker 1: that camping is better. And on top of that, a

1361
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:11,639
Speaker 1: lot of the places you want a deer hunt, there's

1362
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:13,679
Speaker 1: not going to be a place to stay all that close,

1363
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:17,400
Speaker 1: you know, and so that might influence you know, where

1364
01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:20,360
Speaker 1: you go and just getting you know, so I know

1365
01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:22,479
Speaker 1: people are going to listen to that and go, it's

1366
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:25,479
Speaker 1: crazy that you spent that much money on a sleeping bag,

1367
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:27,880
Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, that's a lot of money, but

1368
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:30,360
Speaker 1: that's a buy once cry want situation that you'll use

1369
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:33,320
Speaker 1: out west and you'll use it for years, and or

1370
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 1: you could take six hundred and eighty five bucks or

1371
01:18:35,439 --> 01:18:39,720
Speaker 1: whatever it is and buy like I'm I'm using a

1372
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 1: wall tent. It's kind of like a I guess I

1373
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:45,400
Speaker 1: don't know how many people it's supposed to hold, but

1374
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:48,040
Speaker 1: it's a white duck outdoors wall tent. And that thing

1375
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:50,160
Speaker 1: was I think it was seven hundred bucks. So like

1376
01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:53,200
Speaker 1: similar in price to that sleeping bag. But I can

1377
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:56,400
Speaker 1: set it up by myself, have an entire cook station,

1378
01:18:56,840 --> 01:18:59,360
Speaker 1: have an awesome place to sleep, dry out my clothes, everything,

1379
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:02,840
Speaker 1: and it's built like a freaking tank, like it's not

1380
01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:05,599
Speaker 1: it's gonna last me years. And so you think about

1381
01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 1: that and go, yeah, okay, Well, seven hundred bucks to

1382
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 1: drop on a piece of camping equipment is a lot. Man.

1383
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:13,559
Speaker 1: You can spend seven hundred dollars at hotels real fast

1384
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:17,759
Speaker 1: and then drive in to the burger joint or wherever

1385
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:20,680
Speaker 1: to get your food. All of that stuff adds up

1386
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:23,840
Speaker 1: so much compared to eating some sandwiches or whatever back

1387
01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:26,599
Speaker 1: at camp. And so a lot of times when people say,

1388
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:28,479
Speaker 1: you know, like I could never afford to do this

1389
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:33,000
Speaker 1: like I don't know, maybe right, maybe, like everybody's situation

1390
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:34,920
Speaker 1: is different, but there are ways where you can do

1391
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 1: some of this stuff. And you don't need a seven

1392
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:40,760
Speaker 1: hundred dollars sleeping bag, but having good camping gear is

1393
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:44,439
Speaker 1: real freaking nice for this stuff. And so there's certain

1394
01:19:44,479 --> 01:19:47,120
Speaker 1: pieces that really seem to matter and certain some that

1395
01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:50,960
Speaker 1: just don't. But overall, you know, like you're kind of

1396
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:53,920
Speaker 1: making an investment into a whole bunch of good experiences

1397
01:19:54,439 --> 01:19:57,639
Speaker 1: and you're saving money other ways, and so it's it's

1398
01:19:57,680 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 1: worth it to plan that stuff out and understand what

1399
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:02,760
Speaker 1: you're gonna ge into. Yeah, and don't get me wrong,

1400
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:07,680
Speaker 1: even this year. So to piggyback off what you just

1401
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:11,760
Speaker 1: said from a cost standpoint, that's that six hundred and

1402
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 1: eighty five dollars sleeping bag allowed me to save I

1403
01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:20,280
Speaker 1: want to say, a thousand to a fifteen hundred dollars

1404
01:20:20,280 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 1: over Nebraska and South Dakota on hotel rooms. And when

1405
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:29,080
Speaker 1: I was in South Dakota, I only stayed in a

1406
01:20:29,160 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 1: hotel room one night because the temperature dropped to like

1407
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:37,280
Speaker 1: five And I'm just like, I'm closer to a hope.

1408
01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:40,559
Speaker 1: I'll put in the thirty minutes drive in the morning,

1409
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:43,080
Speaker 1: just so I can shower, just so I'm not like

1410
01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:46,439
Speaker 1: fridgid cold, and I just refreshed. And that was the

1411
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:48,559
Speaker 1: last that last day of a hunt on my way

1412
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:52,759
Speaker 1: back to Iowa. I also like to use hotels as backups.

1413
01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:56,120
Speaker 1: We got caught in a rainstorm in Nebraska to two

1414
01:20:56,280 --> 01:20:59,240
Speaker 1: years ago, I think it was two years ago, and

1415
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:02,240
Speaker 1: it came out of nowhere. We weren't prepared. We got drenched.

1416
01:21:02,520 --> 01:21:06,960
Speaker 1: So we went to a hotel and we we took

1417
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:10,080
Speaker 1: a shower, we dried all of our clothes out, and

1418
01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:11,680
Speaker 1: and it was it was good to have that as

1419
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:15,240
Speaker 1: a backup, because from a convenient standpoint, trying to air

1420
01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:19,240
Speaker 1: dry wet clothes sucks if you don't have a dryer,

1421
01:21:19,479 --> 01:21:21,960
Speaker 1: right and so, But on top of that, man, it's

1422
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:27,280
Speaker 1: one of those things like I just love the silence.

1423
01:21:27,479 --> 01:21:30,960
Speaker 1: I love looking up at the stars. I love everything

1424
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:35,559
Speaker 1: about that. That minimalistic approach to an not a state

1425
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:38,800
Speaker 1: hunt me too. And I honestly think, I mean, this

1426
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:41,320
Speaker 1: might sound crazy, but I honestly feel like I sleep

1427
01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:44,760
Speaker 1: better and have a better hunt when i'm you know,

1428
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:47,920
Speaker 1: because you get back and whatever time it's dark, you know.

1429
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:50,960
Speaker 1: Six thirty seven o'clock, you make some food, and then

1430
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:53,439
Speaker 1: it's like there's nothing to do. It's not like you're

1431
01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:55,519
Speaker 1: in a hotel watching TV and BS and with your

1432
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:57,080
Speaker 1: buddies or whatever. It's like, well, I might as well

1433
01:21:57,080 --> 01:21:58,479
Speaker 1: go to bed because I got to get up at

1434
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:00,880
Speaker 1: you know, four thirty two more morning or whatever. And

1435
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:03,760
Speaker 1: I feel like you get into it's a little bit

1436
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:05,960
Speaker 1: easier to just like get into the rhythm of the

1437
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:09,240
Speaker 1: hunt when you're already there and you're in camp and

1438
01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:11,479
Speaker 1: your packs next to you, and you get it ready

1439
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 1: that night and you wake up in the morning and

1440
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:15,680
Speaker 1: make your coffee and oatmeal whatever, and you go and

1441
01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:19,800
Speaker 1: it's just like fewer things to go wrong, fewer things

1442
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:23,599
Speaker 1: to distract you. Just it's it's a really good move.

1443
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:27,639
Speaker 1: And I know people. I know people are interested in

1444
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:32,679
Speaker 1: camping on these hunts, and it just takes a lot

1445
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:35,439
Speaker 1: of planning. Like I just say that, like you gotta

1446
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:37,879
Speaker 1: know where you can camp, Like is there a campground

1447
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:39,760
Speaker 1: close by or I on that public that you can

1448
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:43,479
Speaker 1: just dump a tent down and go. Understand that before

1449
01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 1: you go. Again, the work ahead of time pays off

1450
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:48,599
Speaker 1: once you get out there, because then it's just like,

1451
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:50,680
Speaker 1: I know what's legal, I know what to do, I

1452
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:53,240
Speaker 1: know where I'm going, and if this doesn't work out,

1453
01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:55,680
Speaker 1: I know I can pull up my camp quick and

1454
01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:58,400
Speaker 1: go forty miles down the road and restart the process.

1455
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:01,040
Speaker 1: And the more the more that you just handle those

1456
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:06,120
Speaker 1: details ahead of time, the better these trips go. Yep. Absolutely, Man,

1457
01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:11,559
Speaker 1: It's actually making me really want to go gamp and

1458
01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:14,479
Speaker 1: hunt right now. And I I kind of have been

1459
01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:17,479
Speaker 1: not like super stoked for that over the last few

1460
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:20,200
Speaker 1: years because I did it so much for so long.

1461
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:23,200
Speaker 1: But when you have your system down and you've got

1462
01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:25,559
Speaker 1: some good plans in place to go hunt here or there,

1463
01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:28,360
Speaker 1: it gets pretty exciting. And I mean, I think we

1464
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:31,120
Speaker 1: should maybe wrap up on this. That's one of the

1465
01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:35,880
Speaker 1: things like we don't talk about. I just uh, you know.

1466
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:38,600
Speaker 1: Back in the end of January, two buddies and I

1467
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:41,559
Speaker 1: went down to Florida for four days and fished. We've

1468
01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:44,640
Speaker 1: never done never done a fish and trip like that.

1469
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 1: You know, we we you know, drive here and fish whatever,

1470
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:49,880
Speaker 1: but never like we're going to a destination. We're gonna

1471
01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:53,800
Speaker 1: fish saltwater. And one of the things that was so

1472
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:57,400
Speaker 1: fun about it was just planning it and like talking

1473
01:23:57,439 --> 01:23:59,360
Speaker 1: about what what are we gonna buy for lures? What

1474
01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:01,240
Speaker 1: are we gonna bring there? You bring a cast net?

1475
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:05,479
Speaker 1: What are we doing? And that aspect of a trip.

1476
01:24:06,200 --> 01:24:08,880
Speaker 1: It's like way underrated. It's just fun to have something

1477
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:11,120
Speaker 1: to look forward to. And that's that's why the timing

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01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:12,960
Speaker 1: of this podcast is good, because when you're stuck in

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Speaker 1: March and it sucks and we're still getting snowstorms and

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01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:19,759
Speaker 1: all this bs, it's fun to start thinking like, man,

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01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:22,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make this hunt happen in six months or

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01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:25,519
Speaker 1: seven months whatever, and start it now. It gives you

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01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:28,280
Speaker 1: something to do toward the process, which is pretty fulfilling

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01:24:28,720 --> 01:24:31,360
Speaker 1: and can help you kill deer, you know, half a

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01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:36,800
Speaker 1: year away. Yeah, I agree, Tony. I'm looking forward to

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Speaker 1: it as well. What are we going to go on

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01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:41,640
Speaker 1: a hunt together? Well, maybe I'll go to Oklahoma with you.

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Speaker 1: You need somebody to go along, let's do it. I

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Speaker 1: don't care. I mean, I'm literally right on the way

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Speaker 1: for you to come down, right are you? You're southwest

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Speaker 1: Minnesota though? Right? No? No, no, I'm up north of

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01:24:55,680 --> 01:24:59,280
Speaker 1: the City's okay anyway, you just take the same highway.

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Speaker 1: We'll meet in Demoine and then and then we'll just go. Yeah,

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01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:06,120
Speaker 1: I can get to Demin in about three hours, three

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Speaker 1: and a half hours, and I'm here pretty familiar with

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Speaker 1: that route of getting down there. Um yeah, man, that

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Speaker 1: would be a blast. Dan, This is this is always

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01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:17,759
Speaker 1: so much fun to talk to you. Let everybody who's

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01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:20,120
Speaker 1: listening know where they can find your podcast and the

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Speaker 1: seventeen thousand other podcasts that you're involved in. My name

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01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:31,120
Speaker 1: is Dan Johnson. I was born in nineteen eighty uh No,

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01:25:31,880 --> 01:25:34,599
Speaker 1: nine finger Chronicles, man, just look it up, nine finger

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01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:39,120
Speaker 1: Chronicles podcast on the Sportsman's Empire podcast network and we have,

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01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:43,800
Speaker 1: like like Tony said, man, my podcast, The Hunting Gear

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01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:49,240
Speaker 1: podcast I also host is one of twenty three different

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01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:54,839
Speaker 1: RSS feeds on the Sportsman's Empire podcast network, all outdoor related,

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01:25:55,200 --> 01:25:59,639
Speaker 1: all hunting related, fishing, trapping. You know, you, if you're

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01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:02,080
Speaker 1: an outdoorsman, you're gonna love the content that we put out.

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01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:04,720
Speaker 1: Man ton of podcasts there under the network. And we

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01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:08,960
Speaker 1: should say this, if you don't mind listening to me

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01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:11,800
Speaker 1: talk and you like listening to Dan talk, we do

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01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:15,960
Speaker 1: podcasts together fairly often over there. And the wonderful thing

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01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:18,160
Speaker 1: about Dan's podcast is I can say a lot of

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Speaker 1: other things on there that I can't say here because

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01:26:20,439 --> 01:26:23,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to get fired. So if you if

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01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:25,400
Speaker 1: you want to hear a little bit more of an

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01:26:25,439 --> 01:26:29,960
Speaker 1: uncensored version of these kind of podcasts along with mostly

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01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:33,439
Speaker 1: zero talk about actual deer hunting and talk about Nintendo

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01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:36,000
Speaker 1: and nineties bands and all kinds of stuff, Dan's podcast

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Speaker 1: is the way to go. Dan, thanks again, man, It's

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Speaker 1: always a pleasure, buddy. Appreciate it, Tony. That's it for

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Speaker 1: this week, folks. Be sure to tune in next week

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Speaker 1: for some more whitetail goodness. This has been the Wired

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Speaker 1: to Hunt podcast, and I'm your guest host, Tony Peterson.

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Speaker 1: As I always, thank you so much for listening. And

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Speaker 1: if you're looking for more white tail content, be sure

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Speaker 1: to check out the mediator dot com slash wired to

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Speaker 1: see a pile of new articles each week by Mark

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Speaker 1: my self and a whole slew of white tail addicts,

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Speaker 1: or head on over to the wire da Hunt YouTube

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