WEBVTT - Name the Enemy with James Lindsay 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:03.760 I've interviewed a ton of people for this podcast, so 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:08.360 many smart and thoughtful people, thought provoking conversations. But this 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:11.520 next interview is one of the more interesting ones I've 0:00:11.520 --> 0:00:14.520 had to date. I watched a speech that our next guest, 0:00:14.800 --> 0:00:18.800 James Lindsay, gave before the European Parliament. I reached out 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:21.040 to him after watching it to have him on the show. 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:23.880 Let's just take a listen to some of what he said. 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:26.640 I wrote a book called Race Marxism, and I defined 0:00:26.680 --> 0:00:28.680 critical race theory as it really is in that book. 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:31.360 On the first page, I said that critical race theory 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:34.239 is calling everything you want to control racist until you 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:37.480 control it. But couldn't we say the same about Marxism. 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:40.680 It's calling everything you want to control bourgeois until you 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:44.960 control it. As we tell our children, being white is bad. 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:49.360 Being white is oppressive. You automatically hurt people of other 0:00:49.440 --> 0:00:52.720 races by your very existence. But by the way, if 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:57.680 you become queer, we'll celebrate you, and you can create 0:00:57.720 --> 0:01:01.200 a radical army of people who identify as gender minorities 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:04.160 and sexual minorities at seven years old. 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:07.520 So the entire speech is worth watching. But what he 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:11.200 did so well was to name the enemy that we're facing. 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:15.080 The enemy is Marxism, this march towards tyranny that we 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:18.520 are on. You know, he articulated that threat better than most, 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:21.399 that threat that we face, What it looks like, where 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:23.959 it comes from. You might know him from Twitter as 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:27.880 conceptual James, but doctor James Lindsay is an American born author, 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:31.440 a mathematician, and, as he says, a professional troublemaker. He 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:33.720 has written six books and has been really leading the 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:37.000 charge against critical race theory. And he joins me, next, 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:46.679 trust me, this one is absolutely worth listening to. James. 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:48.920 It's great to have you on the podcast. I've been 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:51.640 following your work for a while. I watched a speech 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:56.240 he recently gave in the European Parliament, and you really 0:01:56.440 --> 0:02:00.320 touch on the societal decline that we are facing, which 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:03.080 is probably the most important issue today. 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:06.840 Well, yeah, thanks. They invited me over to the EU 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:10.440 to speak about what is woke. It's kind of a 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:14.600 funny thing they perceive, although you know, here in America 0:02:14.639 --> 0:02:16.440 we look over at Europe and we think, wow, they're 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:19.799 really far down the old socialist road way ahead of us. 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:21.880 And they look over at us and they think we've 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:24.720 gone crazy and they don't think that we They say 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:26.680 that in Europe they don't really have woke yet. You know, 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:29.600 men are still men and nobody's confused about this. People 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:34.280 know what a woman is and the race issue is present, 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:38.560 but it rings a little off key. So they don't 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:42.080 really have kind of the same woke movement, but they 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:45.120 do have a very you know, strong and active leftist culture. 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:48.559 So the European Union, actually a group called Identity and Democracy, 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:52.120 which is a center right party throughout Europe which has 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:55.920 some representation in the Parliament, invited me over to a 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:59.360 conference that they were hosting to speak about woke and 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:02.200 it's it's kind of making its way into Europe with 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:05.160 a particular emphasis on what is it and how can 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:07.880 they stop it from kind of doing to Europe what 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:09.880 it's doing to the United States and Canada. 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:11.960 Well, and what's interesting is I feel like a lot 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:14.000 of times, you know, we talk about these terms like 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:17.120 equity or woke or critical race theory, and what you 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:19.760 did so well in this speech was defined them. You 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:21.520 said at the end of the speech, you said you 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:25.600 came to name the enemy for the audience. Who is 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:28.519 that enemy? And what should people know about that enemy. 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:32.320 Well, there are kind of two questions with regard to 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:36.320 the enemy, and those questions are really who and what? 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:40.800 And so the who is a little bit, you know, 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:45.160 obviously more accusatory to start naming names, but the organizations 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:48.600 that are facilitating this upon us usually tend to go 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:53.120 by acronyms. I would name the United Nations as a 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:57.520 central actor in this story, the primary coordinator. I was 0:03:57.560 --> 0:03:59.280 talking to my wife last night and I said, it's 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:02.600 almost like the transmission of the car that makes the 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:04.400 power go from the engine to the wheels is the 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:09.280 World Economic Form, which meets in Davos, you know, every January, 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:12.200 and it meets in China in the summer, mentioning China. 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:15.560 The CCP is somehow involved in these other big organizations 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:19.520 like the World Health Organization WHO, the Council for Foreign 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:23.560 Relations CFR. It's kind of this acronym soup of tyranny. 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:28.040 But the primary actors for the concerns in the West, 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:31.240 I would say overwhelmingly are the United Nations in coordination 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:34.599 with the World Economic Forms. That's the who, the what, 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:37.400 And that was the thesis of my speech is that 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:41.279 this is the updated form of Marxism, adapted to take 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:44.800 over the Western context. It you know, Marxism took over 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:48.200 the Russian context with the Russian Revolution led by the Bolsheviks, 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:52.400 took over the Chinese context using Mao and his strategies 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:55.560 to do first a kind of traditional revolution in nineteen 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:59.240 forty nine forty six to forty nine, and then a 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:02.480 full blown culture revolution to transform China starting in nineteen 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:06.120 sixty six. And what we are actually seeing is a 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:12.000 cultural revolution has a very Maoist kind of substructure has 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:15.920 been brought to the West using Western technology in a sense, 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:20.599 cultural technology, whether that's identity politics in the form of race, sex, gender, 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:25.320 and so on, whether that's literally corporate power, which is 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:28.800 the way that Western power really kind of operates, the 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:33.359 growing managerial what they call public private partnership, the revolving door, 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:36.920 if you will, and arrangements and agreements between big capital 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:38.520 and big government. 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:42.599 What is the intention with this form of Marxism that 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:44.240 we're facing here in America. 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:48.360 Well, I mean the form of Marxism overall, always in general, 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:54.280 is to create a single global system of administered political 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:58.960 and socioeconomic economy. The goal is to be able to 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:02.520 take control over all of the means of production, and 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:06.279 that means the kind of physical, literal material production, whether 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:09.440 that's goods or services, but also the production of who 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:11.760 we think we are and in fact who we are 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:14.880 as people. This has always been the goal, going back 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:18.719 to Marx's early writings, even before the Communist Manifesto, writing 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:21.240 in say, eighteen forty three eighteen forty four, it was 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:23.760 always the goal to seize the means of production of mankind. 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:26.280 But it's also to create, in a more prosaic sense, 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:31.320 a perfectly controlled and stable system that doesn't have the 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:33.000 kind of boom and bus cycles that get out from 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:37.479 underneath their control. The idea is that they need perfectly 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:43.359 controllable consumers, perfectly controllable political entities or citizens, so that 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:47.039 they can have a perfectly smooth economy that operates according 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:51.279 to their changing whims as they go. And so that's 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:54.560 the overall goal, is to create a single global system 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:57.920 that in a sense is, if I might use their 0:06:57.920 --> 0:07:00.600 word for it, sustainable. On the other hand, and the 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:04.360 woke movement as kind of a cultural revolution, is meant 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:07.000 to in many of the things that we see like this, esg. 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:11.280 Scoring of corporations, the strict environmental net zero policies. We 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:14.720 just saw the new king talking about the ESG or whatever, 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:19.440 the net zero protocols that he was instrumental in organizing. 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:21.800 It's law in the UK. Those are actually meant to 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:26.320 economically and culturally break and destroy Western civilization so that 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:29.640 this new culture and this new model can can replace it. 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:32.800 Is that the point of equity to drive everything down? 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:35.960 You'd mentioned in this speech about equity. Where did the 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:38.640 term come from? What should people know about it? 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:42.440 To answer your question about equity, first, the answer is 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:44.960 kind of that's the point of equity. It's certainly the 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:47.880 effect of equity. The question is as a side effect 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:49.680 or an intended effect, and I think in this case 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:51.920 it's actually both. I think they know that it drives 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:54.480 things down, and then they use the degradation that it 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:57.520 creates to drive more of their initiatives, because this is 0:07:57.520 --> 0:08:00.280 how the left operates. They create problems, than they blame 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:02.280 somebody else for the problems, and demand more power to 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:04.920 solve the problem that they in fact themselves created. And 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:08.640 so equity does. My saying for that is equity equalizes 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:13.040 downward because it must. Because if in my speech I 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:15.680 gave the definition of equity and the definition of equity 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:19.640 is an administered socio political economy in which shares are 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:22.760 adjusted so that citizens are made equal. I should probably 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:24.680 pause and let people rewind and listen to it again, 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:27.000 because it's a lot of big words. But what that 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:31.000 is is socialism. That's literally the definition for socialism. It 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:34.240 is the socialism that was originally envisioned by Stalin that 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:38.160 would extend beyond economic socialism and reach into cultural and 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:43.000 political and social spheres to make genuine, full communist equality. 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:46.040 And so it's a rebranding and kind of fulfillment of 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:51.160 the concept of socialism. And it must because it redistributes shares. 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:54.120 It doesn't create, it doesn't build. It redistributes shares so 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:57.800 as to make citizens equal. Now, the term equity arose 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:03.120 in the public administration and administive state or managerial state literature. 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:05.840 They started to arise in the US following World War Two. 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:09.480 This kind of literature started to blossom in about forty 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:13.040 five to forty eight. Dwight Waldo wrote a book called 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:16.000 The Administrative State. In nineteen forty eight, he held a 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:20.000 series of conferences later called the Minnobrook Conferences, and at 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:23.040 one of these Mino Brook conferences, the definition of social 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:27.080 equity was given, and it was argued that the administrative 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:32.120 state has an obligation not just to consider efficiency an 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:34.880 economy when they're trying to determine what they should do, 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:38.280 say mass transit or whatever else. It shouldn't just be 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:42.960 efficient and economical, it should also be equitable. So they 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:45.320 added a third leg to the stool of how public 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:49.720 administration should prioritize, where that goal was to redistribute share 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:52.320 so that citizens are made more equal. Well, this of 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:58.840 course is saying explicitly that the administrative apparatus of whether 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:02.959 it's corporations but actually large nations in the West should 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:07.360 start tooling themselves specifically to redistribute shares an opportunity to 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:10.319 try to adjust for social inequality, and that was always 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:13.240 its intention. Well, like I said, that's always going to 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:19.840 lead downward, not upward. It always means taking from somebody 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:23.160 and then redistributing through an inefficient mechanism that doesn't have 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:30.079 actually kind of full contact with This is too abstract. 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:31.800 I should really simplify what I'm saying, But. 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:33.280 Oh, go for it, say whatever you want. 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:36.920 Yeah. So at time, so the government is what's called 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:42.120 a third person consumer and spender. This is the first person, 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:45.920 second person third person model. If I'm a first person consumer, right, 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:48.199 So let's say you run a coffee shop and I 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:50.000 come to your coffee shop and I'm like, I want 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:52.120 coffee and I'm going to buy coffee, and you say, 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:54.280 coffee cost ten dollars, and I have to sit here 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:58.439 and I have to calculate in my thoughts, is Lisa's 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:01.520 cappuccino worth ten dollars? In other words, am I willing 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:03.560 to part with ten dollars in order to obtain the 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:05.520 cappuccino that you make? And maybe you make a world 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:08.480 class cappuccino that I want sometimes and it's worth ten bucks. 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:11.439 Maybe you don't. And I think, now you know what? 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:14.640 So I have to take into account two variables when 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:17.120 I make my purchasing decision as the first person, which 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:21.120 is quality and cost. I care about both of those things. Now, 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:24.640 if it's a second person decision, I'm using somebody else's money. 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:26.720 I'm going to go. You know, you say, hey, I'll 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:28.680 buy you a coffee, So now it's your money, I 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:30.960 get the coffee. I care about quality, but I don't 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:33.280 care about cost. You care about cost, but you don't 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:35.520 care about quality. Do you see how that works? So 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:37.800 in the second person decision, only one of those two 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:41.120 variables is actually being optimized around. The government isn't even 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:45.360 second person, it's third person. The administrative body, the bureaucracy, 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:49.480 This administrative apparatus is a third person buyer. It doesn't 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:51.640 care about quality because it's not the consumer, and it 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:54.440 doesn't care about cost because it's ultimately not responsible for 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:58.200 the spending. They may write the check or pay the 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:01.600 bill or whatever. They may purchase the coffee physically, but 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:04.640 they're using somebody else's money, so cost and quality are 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:06.760 not concerned. So what you end up with when you 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:10.360 have an administrative bureaucracy is a very inefficient. It's not 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:13.800 even you know, if you used an individual who cares 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:17.720 they're processing is not one hundred percent efficient. Nothing is. 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:20.760 But when you go to a third person kind of consumer, 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:26.480 like a government, you now have an overwhelmingly inefficient process. 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:29.240 So when equity goes to redistribute shares, what it's doing 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:33.120 is it's taking value from somewhere running it into a 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:36.800 horrifically inefficient machine where it doesn't care about cost or quality. 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:40.960 So outcomes and inputs become sort of these abstract, irrelevant 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:43.160 entities to them, and what comes out the end is, 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:45.760 you know, not nearly as good as what would happen 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:50.120 if we had you know, tons of individual largely autonomous 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:53.920 consumers going out and making individual purchasing decisions, weighing out 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:57.000 both variables for themselves. So the effort to I know 0:12:57.040 --> 0:12:59.680 that was a little high follutin, but that's actually a 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:05.079 large or you know, profoundly important reason why socialism or 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:07.800 equity initiatives are always going to actually make things worse, 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:11.560 not better. There's no such thing as a government that's 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:14.640 a first person buyer, that cares about the relevant variables 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:17.080 or that can be held to account properly, so its 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:19.920 efficiency level is far lower in this kind of schema, 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:22.480 so you can expect that it's going to do bad results. 0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:25.000 Well, I'm picking up what you're putting down. And then 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:27.920 of course you know, the people in charge, the rulers, 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:30.840 aren't necessarily subjected to some of this. I mean, you 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:33.200 can look at examples like Cuba, when you know, if 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:36.560 the tel Castros net worth was something like nine hundred, 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:39.120 you know, million dollars. So of course, if you're either 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:42.040 part of the World Economic Forum or are some of 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:45.880 these these world leaders. You're not that worried about what 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:48.680 this means for your general income or what it means 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:48.920 for you. 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:51.720 Yeah, of course not, because you know, you're in a 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:56.199 sense very insulated from all of those concerns. It's not 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:59.000 just having what some people call fu money. It's that 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:02.720 you're actually even and further insulated from anything. These things 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:05.760 layers and layers of insulation. So it's not really important 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:07.959 to you. So your little theory about how the world 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:11.120 should work, it's something that if you can gather up 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:13.679 the power to start to implement it, because you don't 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:16.360 get hit with the impacts of that, it doesn't really 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:18.720 matter to you. Now. Of course, we saw what happens when, 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:23.720 you know, people test this theory. For example, when Governor 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:27.520 DeSantis decided to send a bunch of illegal immigrants to 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:29.440 Martha's vineyard. All of a sudden, that was like the 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:31.840 most horrific thing that anybody could possibly have done. He 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:37.960 was like a super racist, xenophobic, something, hate crimes, you know, whatever, words, 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:42.160 every apoplectic word that the left uses came out. Somehow 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:45.840 it was probably transphobic. Somehow they were so angry that 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:49.560 all of a sudden, you know, the normally fully ensconced 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:54.000 people would have to actually deal with the consequences of 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:56.760 their policies, even in a very minor and short term way, 0:14:57.560 --> 0:14:59.800 and to take it, you know, with public relations on 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:02.960 the as a result, and they didn't like that one bit. 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:06.000 So you can tell that they're used to being, you know, 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:09.640 policies for the but not policies for me. They're used 0:15:09.680 --> 0:15:13.920 to feeling above the laws, above the effects of their decisions, 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:16.600 and they can therefore tinker around in what a friend 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:18.960 of mine calls perfect ideal land about how the world 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:21.080 should be, and then they can just kind of force 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:23.400 other people to live in the crappy world that that 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:26.160 creates while they get to kind of float above it 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:29.640 and grift off of whatever's happening while holding themselves out 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:33.000 as you know, the great moral paragons of our time. Oh, 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:35.840 we're the ones who are solving the biggest social issues 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:38.680 and cultural issues and economic issues of our time. Look 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:40.920 how great we are. And meanwhile, you have a few 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:44.080 of these people that are tucked within them, proportionally speaking, 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:49.200 a few that are just grifting for the power that 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:51.240 they can get out of it. They are actually into 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:55.120 the idea of implementing not just kind of whimsical failures 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:58.240 of ideas, but ones that increase the level of social 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:02.080 control in the next iteration wards, they're tyrants. Tyrants will 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:05.000 be drawn to opportunities like this, and we'll exploit them. 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:07.520 And history has taught us that this is the case 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:09.960 every single time, and it's the case this time as 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:10.520 well well. 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:13.480 And we saw that in abundance and with absolute clarity 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:17.160 during COVID, when we were lectured to about certain things, 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:19.880 and then our leaders did the exact opposite, whether it 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:23.360 be Obama throwing a rager in Martha's vineyard while telling 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:26.000 everyone else to isolate and stay away from people, or 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:29.240 doctor Burke's or you know, Gavin Newsom or you know, 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:32.320 the list goes on. But you had mentioned tyranny. Isn't 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:36.520 that really what this is about, is a fight against tyranny? 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:39.600 Yeah, absolutely, that's what this is. This is this all 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:43.840 boils down to tyranny versus liberty. Everybody's kind of looking 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:45.960 for the axis. Is it left versus right? Is it 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:49.520 Republicans versus democrats? The answer is no, it is tyranny 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:52.040 versus liberty. It is Some people will try to say 0:16:52.040 --> 0:16:54.560 that it's control versus freedom, or control versus liberty. But 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:57.960 it's really tyranny. The goal with all of these kinds 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:00.880 of huge programs that are kind of tucked into woke 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:04.639 language or environmentalist language or whatever else, is to create 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:07.920 social control mechanisms very much like the ones that I 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:11.040 would go so far as to say, we're piloted in China. 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:13.880 So what we see happening in China with the kind 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:16.480 of very strict social credit system, with the kind of 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:20.639 neighborhoods that have these extraordinary lockdowns and turnstile gates you 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:22.560 have to pass through and scan your face so the 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:24.720 government can track your movement and know where you are. 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:28.640 All of this kind of extraordinary tyranny that you were 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:32.240 seeing emerge in China is the pilot for what they 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:34.720 want globally, what they want in the West. And so 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:37.520 we're dealing with tyrants whose ambitions for us are to 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:40.760 keep us. You know, you will own nothing and be 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:44.200 happy is probably ambitious. You will own nothing is probably correct. 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:46.320 I don't know that they actually are genuinely that concerned 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:48.760 with their happiness. They just want us unable to revolt, 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:52.320 and the call being unable to revolt happy just like 0:17:52.359 --> 0:17:54.919 you know, they did with white fragility. I remember they 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:56.960 called you white, or they called you racist, and you said, 0:17:56.960 --> 0:17:58.560 I don't think I'm racist, and I said, oh, that's 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:01.960 white fragility. Your emotion only fragile. You can't handle the accusation. 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:05.480 And the opposite of fragility in their literature is resilience. 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:08.000 So if you're a good resilient person, when they call 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:10.240 you names, you shut up and take it. Well, it'll 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:12.359 be the same thing this way, you'll own nothing and 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:16.160 you'll be happy. Where happy happens to mean that you're 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:19.760 not revolting, you're not complaining, because if you complain, it'll 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:22.280 get worse for you. And so see you look how 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:24.440 happy everybody is. Not a single person put that they're 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:28.160 unhappy on the survey. Everybody is still clapping for Stalin. 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:30.360 Nobody sat down. It's amazing they love him. Well. 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:33.760 I really do think Omicron saved us from some pretty 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:36.600 dark times here in the United States, because I do 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:38.840 believe they were looking at what was happening with China 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:43.440 and China's zero tolerance policy or zero COVID policy, and 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:45.480 what they were trying to achieve there, and that was 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:48.359 the direction we're heading in and then Omicron kind of 0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:51.840 deprogrammed people because all these people who looked at getting 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:54.959 COVID as being unclean or what have you, they got COVID, 0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:57.080 and then it was, oh, you know, time to move on. 0:18:57.240 --> 0:18:58.040 It's not that bad. 0:18:58.119 --> 0:19:00.760 You know, you're not a bad person if you get 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:03.200 COVID as someone who didn't get the vaccine. You know, 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:05.720 obviously we were on the receiving end of calls to 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:08.000 not be able to live our lives to you know, 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:10.240 potentially end up in some sort of government facility. 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:12.600 Yeah. I mean, so COVID gave us a very very 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:18.400 clear window into the ambition, the tyrannical ambition that we're 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:22.840 up against, and that it was willing to do not 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:26.159 just damage to the economy, not just damage to you know, 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:31.240 with failure of public health policies or whatever else or 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:33.440 whatever they did in the hospitals, but it was willing 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:37.520 to do damage, vicious damage sociologically and psychologically to people. 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:43.760 It was willing to openly, viciously to divide the population 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:47.000 and create an unclean class that is the scapegoat for 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:51.280 the society's problems, that when it's controlled or done away with, everything, 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:53.399 will finally be allowed to get better. I mean, this 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:56.520 is straight out of the Tyrants playbook. And yes, Omicron, 0:19:56.960 --> 0:19:59.520 for you know, wherever it happened to come from, whatever 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:05.400 caused to come into being totally disrupted and dismantled their ambition. There. 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:08.199 You talk about a train running down the tracks and 0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:10.280 hop in the rails. This thing came all the way 0:20:10.280 --> 0:20:12.560 off the rails and ended up in the ditch. And 0:20:12.600 --> 0:20:14.919 now they very sheepishly are kind of trying to you know, 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:19.760 they just recently admitted, oh, the emergencies over, we finally 0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:24.240 defeated COVID, and they're trying to kind of salvage themselves. 0:20:24.280 --> 0:20:26.960 But for whatever reason, we got two things there. One 0:20:27.040 --> 0:20:31.360 is Omicron did disrupt, for whatever reason, wherever it came from, 0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:34.720 whatever it was, being a much mild or very virulent 0:20:34.840 --> 0:20:40.560 and completely you know, transparent to the vaccine strain of COVID, 0:20:40.760 --> 0:20:44.440 completely disrupted the program. But before that happened, and even 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:47.119 some after that happened, we got a very very clear 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:51.240 look behind the curtain at what these people who are 0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:54.399 in charge are after and what they're interested in, what 0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:58.480 lengths they're willing to go, and how many of our 0:20:58.680 --> 0:21:02.160 natural and inalien rights they're willing to just trample upon 0:21:02.760 --> 0:21:05.440 in order to get it by setting people the most 0:21:05.480 --> 0:21:09.359 cruel ways, setting people families against one another, with this 0:21:09.440 --> 0:21:12.280 kind of again clean versus unclean narrative. 0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:14.639 Well, and you've really got a glimpse for how quickly 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:18.720 society can turn and how quickly friends can turn on you. 0:21:18.720 --> 0:21:23.080 You know, family, people, colleagues, you know people who know 0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:25.719 you. You sort of get a glimpse of how quickly and 0:21:25.800 --> 0:21:28.480 easily that can happen in societies and how it could 0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:33.000 lead to atrocities. Talk about how Mao used identity politics. 0:21:33.480 --> 0:21:36.199 Yeah, so a lot of people don't understand that what 0:21:36.280 --> 0:21:40.000 we're going through right now actually mirrors things that happened 0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:44.920 in the Maoist regime very specifically, maybe a little less. 0:21:44.960 --> 0:21:48.960 Of course, Mao used crises, etc. To advance as powers, 0:21:49.000 --> 0:21:50.560 so we could compare to COVID. But when we look 0:21:50.600 --> 0:21:56.280 at the woke phenomenon, the identity politics phenomenon, it's exact. 0:21:57.560 --> 0:22:00.159 The only difference is that we're using categories relevant to 0:22:00.320 --> 0:22:06.000 Americans rather than categories relevant to Chinese communists. And I 0:22:06.040 --> 0:22:08.919