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Speaker 1: Welcome everybody to the first twenty twenty six edition of

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Speaker 1: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. And we have

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Speaker 1: so many big things talking about. First of all, we

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Speaker 1: missed you all. We hope you had a fantastic holiday.

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Speaker 1: It has been great here in the Second Household, and

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Speaker 1: o'clay and his family had wonderful time.

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Speaker 2: I hope you had a.

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Speaker 1: Great holiday, Christmas, New Year, hanaka all the above, and

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Speaker 1: we are racked in stack for a big show today.

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Speaker 1: And when I think is going to be the best

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Speaker 1: year ever of the Clay Travis and Buck Saxson Show,

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Speaker 1: I just have that feeling and things are looking pretty fantastic.

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Speaker 1: I might add for the Trump administration, what a way

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Speaker 1: to ring in the new year by bringing the thug

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Speaker 1: of Venezuela Nicolas Maduro to justice. This is a big story.

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Speaker 1: We're going to get into the details today. Maduro is

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Speaker 1: currently being trans into into court and there's court proceedings underway.

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Speaker 1: So this is this is huge. The short version is

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Speaker 1: that the most daring Special Operations raid since the Bin

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Speaker 1: has now put Maduro into American custody. We will give

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Speaker 1: you the details of this operation. We will analyze this.

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Speaker 1: The tactical success and the strategic implications are incredible, an

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Speaker 1: amazing work here reportedly by Delta Force. That's that's the

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Speaker 1: unit that is getting their credit for this in the media,

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Speaker 1: which they're Tier one just like Seal Team six, incredible

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Speaker 1: elead operators. But a whole all of the above approach

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Speaker 1: this some other big stories. I might add, Tim Walls

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Speaker 1: is not going to run for reelection in Minnesota, which

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Speaker 1: comes on the heels of the massive, massive viral Clay

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Speaker 1: how many billions of overwhelmingly Somali immigrant fraud in Minnesota,

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Speaker 1: which is a big deal. And we'll discuss that. We've

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Speaker 1: also got the biggest one year drop in the national

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Speaker 1: homicide rate perhaps ever in twenty twenty five, which is

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Speaker 1: something we should talk about with the Trump administration. So

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Speaker 1: we got a bunch of big stories to deal with.

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Speaker 1: Oh and Mam Donnie in New York, Kami Mamdanni. We

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Speaker 1: might held him tomorrow, but he's saying some wild things.

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Speaker 1: I'm very concerned for my beloved Big Apple clay, let,

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Speaker 1: let's dive into this to take us into this moment. Here,

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Speaker 1: Trump saying, after they seize Maduro, not a single US

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Speaker 1: casualty in this raid, involving helicopters, fixed wing aircraft, armada,

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Speaker 1: perfectly together. And Trump is saying we're in charge. This

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Speaker 2: The next question is who's in charge of Venezuela right now?

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Speaker 3: Have you spoken to the newly sworn in president there Rodriguez,

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Speaker 3: and what are your thoughts on the entire situation when

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Speaker 3: you said the US would run Venezuela.

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Speaker 1: We're dealing with the people.

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Speaker 2: We're dealing with the people that just got sported.

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Speaker 4: And don't ask me who's in charge, because they'll give

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Speaker 4: you an answer and it'll be very Contribuation means we're.

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Speaker 1: In charge, Clay, I think everybody knows Trump is calling

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Speaker 1: the shots. Trump is in charge. Huge change in Venezuela.

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Speaker 1: And this isn't just about Latin America. This is about

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Speaker 1: the Western hemisphere. They're big global implications, Russia, China, this

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Speaker 3: I think we can do the whole show today on

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Speaker 3: the Venezuela impact on the Delta Force badasses. I think

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Speaker 3: blown away by the incredible organization and just incredible combat

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Speaker 3: dexterity that was put to brought to bear in this

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Speaker 2: Think about this.

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Speaker 3: We went into Venezuela in the middle of the night,

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Speaker 3: constantly planes buzzing. There was this constant discussion about where

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Speaker 3: So it wasn't as if we suddenly went in and

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Speaker 1: About eighty Venezuelans I think civilian military, that's what they're saying.

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Speaker 2: Taken out Certainly, you wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: Have wanted to be on Maduro's mostly Cuban personal security detail,

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Speaker 3: I think about this more impressive even than when we

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Speaker 3: the number of people involved in that raid was too.

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Speaker 3: This was basically what ten twenty thirty x in terms

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Speaker 3: an unbelievable stroke. And there are lots of implications coming

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Speaker 3: from it, but purely from you were involved in the CIA.

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Speaker 3: Purely from the organizational cuppacities of this is what. Is

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Speaker 3: there even an analogy of of of an excellent and

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Speaker 2: I can't even think of one.

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Speaker 1: No, this is this is something that brought together elements

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Speaker 1: I mean, let's let's step back, you compare. The only

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Speaker 1: You know, the bin Laden raid. Yes, the Pakistani military

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Speaker 1: response was a concern, but bin Lad now Abadabad was

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Speaker 1: And I mean Baduro did have control of the national

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Speaker 1: cyber capability. They had mapped out Maduro's day to day

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Speaker 1: So the intelligence gathering was flawless. The operational security was

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Speaker 1: obviously very high on this one. They knew that we

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Speaker 1: that pretty clear. But exactly when matters a lot, because

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Speaker 1: he's got to be able to move around. He was

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Speaker 1: the one sixty at Special Special Aviation Unit was you know,

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Speaker 1: the night Stalkers, famed night Stalkers, they were involved in

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Speaker 1: this too, So they come in with the rotary aircraft

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Speaker 1: to deploy troops, our Delta Force, who take out without

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Speaker 1: least that we're exchanging gunfire with them to assign to

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Speaker 1: protect Maduro. We load him and his wife into the

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Speaker 1: Clay this this can go wrong, This is the thing.

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Speaker 1: This can go wrong a thousand different ways, and yet

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Speaker 1: they didn't. They didn't have a single stumble.

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Speaker 3: Here even buck. It could go wrong with things that

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Speaker 3: aren't brought to bear by Venezuela, right. You could have

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's extraordinary. Now one of the

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Speaker 3: pled not guilty to drug in weapons charges. Not a

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Speaker 1: Maduro was an illegitimate ruler who ruined this country. So

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Speaker 1: this is a different thing right now. You could say

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Speaker 1: Saddam Hussein was, and he certainly was a brutal dictator

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Speaker 1: as stability. There were a lot of I mean Iraqis.

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Speaker 1: a scumbag narco trafficker, and we're saying and very clearly,

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Speaker 1: a while then, just also to point out, the Biden

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Speaker 3: Five million dollars on him or anybody who could help

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Speaker 1: They put a twenty five million dollar bounty on his head.

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Speaker 1: But what's so clear here is this disparity, this this

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Speaker 1: So they're more Venezuelan refugees within twenty minute drive of

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Speaker 3: Doctrine in a place as Venezuela's leader, Maduro has pled

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Speaker 3: Heels of a twenty three year old YouTuber named Nick Shirley,

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Speaker 3: That just happened today. News started to come out last

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Speaker 3: back to what's going on with Tim Wall stepping down.

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Speaker 3: Here are a couple of cuts. First of all, let's

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Speaker 1: Well, What they find is it's an empty storefront. What

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Speaker 1: So I don't think a lot of great daycare instruction

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Speaker 3: We don't have any records anymore. All of this is

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Speaker 4: Unfortunately, we saw that there was employant documentation enrollment of

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Speaker 4: We've been receiving hateful messages through our voice, most threatening

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Speaker 1: I mean, so they brought just to over is clear

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Speaker 1: even worse than people had thought previously. But Clay, Uh,

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Speaker 1: Really, a lot of really advanced burglars are breaking into

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Speaker 3: I also, big picture, we should have a conversation about

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Speaker 2: Why in the world is.

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Speaker 3: The taxpayer being forced to pay for childcare for people

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Speaker 3: Really everybody's going to focus on the fraud, and the

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Speaker 2: But the process that was put in.

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Speaker 3: Now Tim Walls has announced that it basically his.

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Speaker 2: Political career is over. Here.

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Speaker 3: He is saying that that YouTuber cut thirty is a

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Speaker 6: We've got Republicans here in the state legislature playing hide

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Speaker 6: We've got the President of the United States demonizing our

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Speaker 6: it before and I will continue.

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Speaker 2: To say it.

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Speaker 7: We welcome ideas from anyone in any party, from any

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Speaker 7: I cannot abide the actions of the political leadership in Washington.

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Speaker 6: These opportunists are working people court chief claim.

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Speaker 1: So you know how, you know how we know it's

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Speaker 1: all true.

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Speaker 2: He's calling it a conspiracy theory. That is the kiss

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Speaker 2: of death right there.

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Speaker 1: That you know, if if a Democrat says, when they're

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Speaker 1: under under the heat on something, it's a conspiracy theory,

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Speaker 1: you got them cornered.

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Speaker 2: It's true. It's both true that the conspiracy theory is true.

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Speaker 3: Also the fact that he's ending his political career pretty

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Speaker 3: good sign that it's true, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean about you.

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Speaker 3: If people started making up total lies about me, the

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Speaker 3: last thing I'm going to do is suddenly have a

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Speaker 3: press conference and announce that I'm retiring because all the

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Speaker 3: lies are so significant that I can't deal with them anymore.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna fight like hell to win in the marketplace

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Speaker 3: of ideas and prove that the people who are telling

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Speaker 3: lies about me are wrong.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: This is also a good sign that he's running scared.

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Speaker 3: They told all the press that showed up for this

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Speaker 3: announcement that he's not going to be running for reelection,

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Speaker 3: that he was going to be taking questions. He did

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Speaker 3: not take a single question. Think about how many questions

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Speaker 3: Trump takes at just about every public event that he does.

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Speaker 3: He's answering questions for media every single day on every

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Speaker 3: topic under the sun. Listen to the media in Minnesota

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Speaker 3: lose it as Tim Walls refuses to take questions and

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Speaker 3: bails on this press conference.

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Speaker 2: Cut thirty two. Appreciate it, thank you.

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Speaker 8: Wow.

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Speaker 2: All right, so you can kind of hear that it's

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Speaker 2: a little bit messy.

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Speaker 3: But even the press that has been covering for Tim Walls,

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Speaker 3: even they were saying, why are you not answering questions.

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Speaker 3: You know what this is starting to reflect, Buck. The

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Speaker 3: press is fine, the left wing legacy media. We've talked

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Speaker 3: about this a lot. They'll cover for you until covering

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Speaker 3: for you becomes embarrassing for them. Yes, oh, they start

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Speaker 3: to look bad. Now in Minnesota, they're looking bad because

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Speaker 3: of all of these lies that they've been covering for.

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Speaker 3: And again, I think this is just indicative Buck of

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Speaker 3: the era that we're in now where a twenty three

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Speaker 3: year old YouTube kid can go out and basically in

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Speaker 3: the political career of Tim Walls.

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Speaker 1: Well, but look look at also what Tim Wall said

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Speaker 1: there doesn't stack up to even a cursory review of

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Speaker 1: the facts on record. They've got almost one hundred people

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Speaker 1: indicted for this already and they're just getting started. So

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Speaker 1: you have federal criminal defendants that he said, Oh, I'm

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Speaker 1: glad of the US attorney and the career people. Okay,

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Speaker 1: they're racking up indictments of Somali fraudsters all over Minneapolis

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Speaker 1: for this. The estimate from sources inside the Minnesota government

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Speaker 1: is that of the eighteen billion dollars for these programs,

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Speaker 1: nine billion might have been fraudulent, which is close to

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Speaker 1: the entire GDP, as people have pointed out of the

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Speaker 1: country of Somalia.

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Speaker 2: So this is not to call this a conspiracy.

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Speaker 1: Theory is absurd, which is why you know that it's

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Speaker 1: all true, because that now they're just trying to smear. Oh,

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Speaker 1: this is just delay, this is smoke screen, this is nonsense.

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Speaker 1: Clay one of the defendants, I thought this is really

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Speaker 1: one of the defendants already indicted on this exact fraud

499
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Speaker 1: came from Philadelphia, set up shop in Minneapolis because it

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Speaker 1: was such a free for all and it was so

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Speaker 1: easy to do. So this was like entrepreneurial fraudsters. We're

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Speaker 1: showing up in Minneapolis from elsewhere in the country, going

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Speaker 1: I want some of that free Somali daycare money.

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Speaker 2: It was well known too.

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Speaker 3: There is video of parents showing up pretending to drop

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Speaker 3: their kids off, and then also out there of them

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Speaker 3: demanding kickbacks. They demanded that some of the money come

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Speaker 3: back to them. This is just widely known and again,

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Speaker 3: big question, Buck, you got a one year old soon

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Speaker 3: to be one year old. I've raised kids. Childcare is

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Speaker 3: incredibly expensive. Why are taxpayer dollars being used to subsidize

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Speaker 3: childcare when so many moms and grandma's out there, and

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Speaker 3: dads and granddads are showing up and giving of their

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Speaker 3: time to help provide childcare, and they're getting no tax

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Speaker 3: benefit for that at all.

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Speaker 2: We got to.

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Speaker 3: Really look at the way that we handle childcare in

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Speaker 3: this country. I mean, in a large discussion that's a

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Speaker 3: much bigger and very worthwhile, but a much bigger discussion

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Speaker 3: about what is going on in this country with the

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Speaker 3: whole childcare situation, the.

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Speaker 1: Two income trap, all these things. I would just add though,

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Speaker 1: with the Somali situation, and what you're seeing is this

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Speaker 1: is true in a lot of Muslim Middle Eastern countries,

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Speaker 1: particularly of the poorer ones like Yemen Somalia. I know,

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Speaker 1: Somalia's in Africa, but it's very close to Yemen actually,

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Speaker 1: and there's a lot of similarity, a lot of.

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Speaker 2: Back and forth between the countries.

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Speaker 1: Point is ripping off people like this, It's considered ridiculous

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Speaker 1: to not.

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Speaker 2: Do this in these countries.

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Speaker 1: This is what people have to understand when we're talking

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Speaker 1: about importing other cultures and the problems of these other cultures.

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Speaker 1: If you come from Somalia generally speaking, and as I said,

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Speaker 1: ion Hersti, Ali is like a personal hero of mine.

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Speaker 1: She's a Somali refugee. She's incredible, she's brilliant, speaks out

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Speaker 1: against Islam. I'm I'm not indicting all Somalis here, but

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Speaker 1: as a broad cultural issue, ripping off the government in

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Speaker 1: a place like Somoio, or just ripping off somebody that

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Speaker 1: you can easily get away with is considered the smart

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Speaker 1: thing to do. There's no reason to morally cringe at this.

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Speaker 1: You rip people off when you can.

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Speaker 3: This is why the whole warlord mindset, this is why

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Speaker 3: Western civilization is in conflict because actually having a recognition

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Speaker 3: and willingness to believe and support a larger society, right

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Speaker 3: the best interest of a community as a whole. Much

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Speaker 3: of the rest of the world doesn't believe in that.

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Speaker 3: And they come here and they see the generosity of

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Speaker 3: the Minnesotans who are paying all of these taxes and

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Speaker 3: our federal taxpayer dollars, and they see it as a

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Speaker 3: weakness that can be exploited. And they're taking advantage of

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Speaker 3: so many of you out there that are busting your

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Speaker 2: Fraud is as big as the entire GDP of all

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Speaker 2: of Somalia.

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Speaker 3: So is it Seventy five percent of Samali people in

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Speaker 8: And the precision, speed, and accuracy of their movements, there's

659
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Speaker 8: just nobody else on the planet that can compete with

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Speaker 8: these guys. Now you throw in on top of that

661
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Speaker 8: the support units in terms of TF one sixty of

662
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Speaker 8: the ground branch probably was there, you know, the CIA

663
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Speaker 8: assets and sources online, the naval personnel, the Air Force,

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Speaker 8: the DiiA, the Intel. This is one of the most

665
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Speaker 8: complicated operations that could possibly take pay place and to

666
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Speaker 8: execute it as flawlessly as they did. I mean, it's

667
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 8: like you know the deal Buck, you know what's Murphy's law.

668
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 8: You know, if it's gonna go wrong, it will, and

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Speaker 8: this thing went flawless.

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Speaker 2: What do you think it says?

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Speaker 3: We were talking earlier, thanks for guest hosting and everything

672
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Speaker 3: you're doing as a part of the Clay and Buck

673
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Speaker 3: podcast network. What does it say if you just look

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Speaker 3: at the organizational leadership and compare our withdrawal from Afghanistan,

675
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Speaker 3: and you compare it with the tactical brilliance and superiority

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Speaker 3: of the bombings of Iran, with the nuclear sites, and

677
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Speaker 3: now this with a majuro. What do you think people

678
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Speaker 3: around the world are saying? What does it reflect upon

679
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Speaker 3: when it comes to our military and their ability to

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Speaker 3: do things like this compared to under Biden.

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Speaker 8: Oh, it's night and day. I mean, obviously, the Afghanistan

682
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 8: pull out was probably the worst revelation for any g

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Speaker 8: WANT operator or person who's served over there from the

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Speaker 8: Intel community wherever. It was like a dagger through your heart.

685
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,959
Speaker 8: And so now when we finally see some real pipe

686
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Speaker 8: hitters go in to project, you know, American power and

687
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Speaker 8: re establish ourselves as somebody you don't want to mess

688
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Speaker 8: with around the world. There's nothing more significant as the

689
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Speaker 8: global power game shifts, and that's what's taking place. I mean,

690
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Speaker 8: the implications of this operation are not just don't just

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Speaker 8: stop and you know, as it affects the monro doctrine

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Speaker 8: in Central and South America and the Americans itself, this

693
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Speaker 8: affects the entire world and puts everybody on notice. Hey,

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Speaker 8: stand by, because there's some pipe hitters back in in

695
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Speaker 8: control now and things are going to change.

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Speaker 1: Speaking to David Rutherford, former Navy seal and a host

697
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Speaker 1: of the David Rutherford Show in the Clay and Buck

698
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Speaker 1: podcast Network, you guys should all go check it out.

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Speaker 1: Dave's gonna have some deep dive into the tactics and

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Speaker 1: the strategy implications of what just happened here in Venezuela,

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Speaker 1: and I want I want to ask you, Dave, about

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Speaker 1: the Cartel Mexico component about this in a second. But first,

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Speaker 1: you've been on whether it's a black Hawk or a Chinook.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you've been on the on the helo going

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Speaker 1: in in your case during the GWAT days Afghanistan. Knowing

706
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Speaker 1: you're on that you're on that bird and you're going

707
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Speaker 1: after an HVT. Your your Delta brothers just did this

708
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Speaker 1: in Venezuela. But what's the what's going through your mind? Like,

709
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Speaker 1: what's the focus? I mean, how do you get ready

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Speaker 1: to put literal boots on the ground and go into

711
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Speaker 1: a situation where you know you're going to see combat

712
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Speaker 1: and the enemy is ready for you and you're gonna

713
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Speaker 1: have to bring all your skills to bear.

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Speaker 8: That's a great question. And I think from all the

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Speaker 8: you know guys that I know that were Tier one

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Speaker 8: Obviously I was not a Tier one operator, but did

717
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Speaker 8: get to suit up and conduct missions. You know, the

718
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 8: biggest thing is to remain calm and just relaxed. You know,

719
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Speaker 8: you've done so many dry runs, so many rehearsals. You know,

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Speaker 8: these guys are the top of the tump, right, They're

721
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Speaker 8: the elite of the elite, and so it's saining calm,

722
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Speaker 8: knowing what your role is. Stain focused, stain relaxed, and

723
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Speaker 8: not getting spun up as any normal human being. Would

724
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Speaker 8: you know, their heart rate would be over you know,

725
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Speaker 8: one hundred and seventy five hundred and eighty five beats

726
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Speaker 8: per minute. These guys are chill at one hundred and

727
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Speaker 8: fifteen beats per minute. They've rehearsed, they know exactly what's

728
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Speaker 8: going to take place, and then if something does go wrong,

729
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Speaker 8: they adapt, assimilate, assess, and then continue to kick ass

730
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Speaker 8: as they did down in Crocketts.

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Speaker 1: Also, I know I was going to ask you about

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Speaker 1: the cartels ruugh, but can you speak to and I'm

733
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Speaker 1: sure my my in laws who have a lot of

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Speaker 1: aviators on that side. There's actually a Sealed Team six

735
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Speaker 1: guy on that side too, but a lot of aviators

736
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Speaker 1: on that side, the one sixtieth. I mean, the stuff

737
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Speaker 1: that I remember seeing a little bit of when I

738
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Speaker 1: was in the agency, that these guys and gals can

739
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Speaker 1: do is incredible.

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Speaker 8: They're the best pilots I've ever seen, I've ever worked with.

741
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Speaker 8: I mean, I got picked up on the side of

742
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Speaker 8: a mountain with like a twenty five hundred foot cliff.

743
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Speaker 8: They put the back gate on an edge as we

744
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Speaker 8: jumped on board. After recon you know, I've done an

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Speaker 8: innumerable amount of training stuff with them. They're the best

746
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Speaker 8: of the best, and they just keep getting better. You know.

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Speaker 8: I also to pay tribute to you know, your your

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Speaker 8: father in law there who just retired. You know, the

749
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Speaker 8: aviators that conducted the air strikes as well too, to

750
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Speaker 8: take out the you know, the air defense capabilities they were.

751
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 8: Everything was so succinct and so flawed, Islake. This is

752
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Speaker 8: the capability of the American military and intelligence community, and

753
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Speaker 8: when employed in the right capacity, it can disrupt the

754
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Speaker 8: global hegemony, as it should. And that's what we're using

755
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Speaker 8: it for right now. We're receiving the distribution of power

756
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Speaker 8: in the world, and we're doing it with precision and

757
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Speaker 8: just absolute perfection.

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Speaker 3: David Rutherford right now encourage you to go sign up

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00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 3: for his podcast, part of the Clay and Buck podcasting network.

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Speaker 3: You mentioned it's a top five all time operation that

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Speaker 3: you've seen. I'm curious if you could give us, based

762
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Speaker 3: on the evidence that's out there so far, compare and

763
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Speaker 3: contrasts the difficulty of the Osama Bin Laden raid with

764
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Speaker 3: the capture of Maduro, both bucking myself as nowhere near

765
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Speaker 3: the experts that you are said that this seems to

766
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Speaker 3: be a far more impressive raid even than what went

767
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Speaker 3: on when Bin Laden was taken out. Is that your impression?

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Speaker 3: How would you compare and contrast these two situations based

769
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Speaker 3: on your expertise.

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Speaker 8: Well, that's it's a really you know, unique way to

771
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Speaker 8: assess it in terms of, you know, the complexity issue,

772
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Speaker 8: and I think that's the only way. I mean. Obviously

773
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Speaker 8: I was in Pakistan with the agency and the lead

774
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 8: up in the aftermath of the Bin Loden ray and

775
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Speaker 8: have a lot of friends that were on the op.

776
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Speaker 8: But the size and scope of that op was not

777
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Speaker 8: probably what one tenth the size of this, maybe one

778
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 8: twentieth the size of this, maybe even smaller. Obviously the

779
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 8: leg work done the you know, in preparation and the

780
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Speaker 8: hunting of down was unbelievable of Bin Laden, but this

781
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Speaker 8: in terms of all the intelligence they had to collect

782
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Speaker 8: that you know, in the weeks or months leading up

783
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Speaker 8: uh and then the complexity and coordination of all these

784
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Speaker 8: different units you know, no shade on you know, the lotenry.

785
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 8: Obviously that's from my generation unbelievable. But this operation is

786
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Speaker 8: I mean, we just went in and snatched a world

787
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Speaker 8: leader in a sleep and didn't take one Castleby that

788
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Speaker 8: just it's mind blowing to what our capabilities truly are.

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Speaker 1: It reminds me a little bit actually, Rod of the

790
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 1: I think it's the opening of Air Force one, right,

791
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 1: don't we swoop in? We send in a bunch of

792
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Speaker 1: guys on parachutes, and they snatched, like the some bad guys.

793
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Speaker 2: Are something that this is.

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Speaker 3: And some of the people may have watched, right, you

795
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Speaker 3: may have watched this building on what Buck's saying that

796
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Speaker 3: the Jack Ryan Show that now is a part of

797
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Speaker 3: Amazon Prime, that season two is basically this, that this happens.

798
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Speaker 3: I have not watched that show, but I've heard a

799
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Speaker 3: lot of people and they've been reacting and saying, this

800
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Speaker 3: is basically that show.

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Speaker 8: I agree, That's one of my favorite seasons of the show.

802
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 8: I just I think, you know, it's always in those

803
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 8: first couple of seasons, whether it's Homeland or or Zach Ryan,

804
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 8: like their their narratives are so close to reality that

805
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 8: it's the truth. And you know, let's just take a

806
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 8: step back and look at Maduro forty five thousand foot right,

807
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 8: the illegal you know, uh, leader of the in a

808
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 8: in a in a compromise election system. You know, the relationship,

809
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 8: the alleged relationship that Gary Bernstein and Martin Rodell point out,

810
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 8: and Ralph Pazzulo's incredible books Stolen Elections. You know, they

811
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Speaker 8: they did a ton of human in you know research

812
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 8: with you know, the corruption of their Venezuela's control over

813
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 8: alleged control over smartmatic and dominion. Then you've got the

814
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Speaker 8: Cartel de Soulis and the impact of what they're doing

815
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Speaker 8: around the world in the UH in terms of the

816
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Speaker 8: international drug flows, illegal arm flows, and illegal oil. Right

817
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 8: the whole oil thing is. I mean, think about if

818
00:46:54,760 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 8: we are able to kind of strangle the oil out

819
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 8: flows out of that country, who does that input what countries?

820
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Speaker 8: How does it affect their governors, How does it affect

821
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Speaker 8: their preparation for what they're doing around the world. I mean,

822
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 8: this is like one of those major chess moves that

823
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Speaker 8: it takes. Is very complicated to understand the totality of it,

824
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 8: but it is one of the most remarkable things that

825
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 8: I've ever seen, obviously in my operational lifetime and then

826
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Speaker 8: on a granted contact, that we've seen in modern geopolitical

827
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 8: tactics and initiatives. I mean, you know, you go back

828
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Speaker 8: to what ten years ago in our South America, Central America,

829
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Speaker 8: you know, operations in terms of you know, quelling the

830
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Speaker 8: rise of socialism, communism, whatever you want to call it,

831
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Speaker 8: was almost obsolete, and now we're literally writing or changing

832
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Speaker 8: the global power hegemony with these types of missions in

833
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Speaker 8: our own hemisphere. Absolutely love it.

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Speaker 2: Right.

835
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Speaker 3: How many countries do you think, based on what you

836
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,720
Speaker 3: see here from Venezuela, do you think the United States

837
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Speaker 3: could go into and grab a leader like this and

838
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Speaker 3: get out with no casualties? I mean ninety five percent

839
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Speaker 3: of the countries in the world, ninety eight percent. I mean,

840
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Speaker 3: if you're iron or Heck. I mean, maybe some of

841
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,240
Speaker 3: these other countries that have nuclear weapons, like North Korea

842
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 3: are saying this could never happen to us.

843
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 2: Because of that.

844
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Speaker 3: But don't all those leaders have to be looking around saying,

845
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 3: if the US can do this to Venezuela, they can

846
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:29,760
Speaker 3: do this to me really easily.

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Speaker 8: One hundred percent, Clay, And that's I think that's the

848
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 8: posture President Trump and Secretary Headsets are are and you know,

849
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Speaker 8: Secretary Ruvial are saying to everybody, this is a notice.

850
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 8: This is a notice to the world. Listen, America is

851
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 8: done playing the games of the last administration, the Obama administration,

852
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 8: even you know, in some capacity, the Bush administration. Right

853
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 8: where we're we're now, we're going to be incredibly focused

854
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Speaker 8: on what we're going to have a reason behind it

855
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 8: that's going to alter. Right. Like I said, this global

856
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 8: hegemony that's been globalist in nature is now back getting

857
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Speaker 8: back to American superiority. Right.

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Speaker 1: What does your operator spider sense tell you about the

859
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Speaker 1: possibility of, let's just say, an increased ops tempo against

860
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Speaker 1: cartels to the south of our border in Mexico.

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Speaker 8: I'll tell you what. Seinbaum came out. You know, it

862
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 8: didn't quite condemn it, you know, gave kind of soft

863
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 8: language on it. You know, I believe that she is

864
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 8: absolutely quaking in her boots right now. I think the

865
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Speaker 8: cartels down there are probably, you know, gearing up and

866
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Speaker 8: starting to realize, hey, this is a different game these

867
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Speaker 8: guys are playing. They'll probably go underground for a while

868
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Speaker 8: and get real quiet, just to hope it passes by.

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Speaker 8: But I think every buddies unnoticed. In particular, if you're

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Speaker 8: a cartel and you're engaged in any type of drug

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Speaker 8: trafficking that directly impacts American civilians, then guess what here,

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