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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Are you ready for

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Speaker 1: ready for a break? Yeah, And so much for that.

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Speaker 1: It's time for the Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com.

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Speaker 1: Were with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and

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Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. Two thousand twenty, Season sixteen, episode number ten.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Break to Your Life

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Speaker 1: from the virtual s WBC Mortgage studios at the Star.

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Speaker 1: And as you can hear, Dave Hellman's typing away and

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Speaker 1: he's so excited to be joining this show and very

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Speaker 1: happy you guys could take some time with us to

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Speaker 1: talk a little Cowboys football here on the Break. Lots

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Speaker 1: of things, well I should say lots of things, but

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Speaker 1: some things are actually moving in the NFL. We'll start

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Speaker 1: today talking a little bit about Jerry returning to the Star.

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Speaker 1: A little later, we got a new segment that we'll

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Speaker 1: call it story Time on the Break, and our storyteller

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Speaker 1: to day is none other than Darren Woodson. He's got

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Speaker 1: a few stories for us. We'll try to do that

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Speaker 1: every week, have a special guest stand to tell us

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Speaker 1: some interesting stories from behind the curtains at the Star

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Speaker 1: with the Cowboys. In addition that, we'll also get into

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Speaker 1: some of the conversations around the owners meetings and then

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Speaker 1: final segment, how's everybody doing today? I just wanted to

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Speaker 1: I was promoting the show on Twitter, so you know,

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Speaker 1: I was regarding that you were doing something very important.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that's good. Let's stop great. Jerry returned to

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Speaker 1: the Star yesterday, Nick, and you had an opportunity to

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Speaker 1: write an article about that. First of all, I got

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Speaker 1: It's been very public. Texas is reopened, so that works

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, Darren Well. I appreciate it. Thanks

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Speaker 1: blah blah, and he's calling my name out on the

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Speaker 1: other side of the field. What's it, Come over here

429
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Speaker 1: and get you something. And I was like, this little

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Speaker 1: pump rookie, right, So Zimmer goes back. Of course they're

431
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Speaker 1: standing next to him. He's laughing, zimp and Zimm knows

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Speaker 1: how good this kid is over there. I haven't. I

433
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Speaker 1: ain't seen what Actually, I didn't know who he was.

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Speaker 1: I mean I saw him in practice here and now

435
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 1: I thought, I he's talented, but I had never faced

436
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 1: him in a one on one situation. So Zimmer says, hey, man,

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00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,400
Speaker 1: you need to go get you some of that. I said,

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Speaker 1: cover a tight end. Really, he said, you need to

439
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 1: go see this kid, this kid and flat out get it.

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Speaker 1: He can play. So I said, I'm gonna go give

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Speaker 1: him some. I'm gonna give him. And I always called

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Speaker 1: myself the Claw back then I was like, yeah, the

443
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Speaker 1: claw is gonna go give him. You know, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: kill this kid. So I'll walk I'll go on over there.

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Speaker 1: And I run over there, and he's like, yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: about time. And I'm like, man, I can't believe. First

447
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Speaker 1: of all, I can't believe you're talking to me. It's crazy. What.

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Speaker 1: So I said, get your hands up there, you know,

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Speaker 1: excuse my lang. I'm sorry. So I'm like, okay, I

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Speaker 1: have a flashback. I'm sorry, So get on up there.

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Speaker 1: So he gets thing up there. Man, he runs a

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Speaker 1: little like crossing rounde and I'm like, man, you know, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: And then romo and it gets romo or someone throws

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Speaker 1: in the ball and I say, it's a crossing round

455
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Speaker 1: said he can't run crossing routes in one on one.

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Speaker 1: So he gets back up there. He runs a quick

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Speaker 1: route I get, I get my hand on the ball,

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Speaker 1: bob knock it down, and I'm talking, I'm whooping and

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Speaker 1: I'm killing you. You don't run, you know. You know

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Speaker 1: a little little baby over here calling me out. Why

461
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Speaker 1: am I wasting my time? That's me, I'm wasting my

462
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Speaker 1: time over here. So I'm about to run back everything. No, no,

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Speaker 1: come back and get you. Get you. So so I'll

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Speaker 1: run back over and I line up against him and

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Speaker 1: he kills me too, straight round like double moves does he?

466
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Speaker 1: And I'm like, this is a little This kid can

467
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Speaker 1: run a route. And it was impressive because it just,

468
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Speaker 1: you know, every time it got to a point to

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Speaker 1: where every time that I knew he was on the

470
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Speaker 1: other side, I said, I gotta go get me some

471
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Speaker 1: of that, Like like that was the competitive natures we

472
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Speaker 1: had in the nineties where Jay Noble checks out there

473
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Speaker 1: and you know, we were going back and forth and

474
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Speaker 1: the trash talking was you know, exponentially And that's what

475
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Speaker 1: I missed in that break until Winton got there, is

476
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Speaker 1: that you had the guy the tight end position that

477
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Speaker 1: could really play and knew he could play and wanted

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Speaker 1: to get better. He wanted to go up against the

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Speaker 1: best every single time. And I thought that was that

480
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Speaker 1: and that's why he's he's a Hall of Famer man.

481
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 1: He just extremely competitive and wants it, wants it more

482
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Speaker 1: than most really great stories. Darren. And before we let

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Speaker 1: you go, I know you got to get out of here,

484
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Speaker 1: but real quick, I want to give you the opportunity

485
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Speaker 1: to talk a little bit about your podcast. I know

486
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Speaker 1: that's something that's near and dear to you, and so

487
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Speaker 1: just tell the people a little bit about the concept

488
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Speaker 1: of the podcast and then told where they can find

489
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Speaker 1: it so they can listen in. So it's the podcast

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Speaker 1: of the Darren Witches Show. It's myself, Tyler Klutz, who

491
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Speaker 1: played for a short time the Cowboys. I always joke

492
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Speaker 1: and Tyler, I said, man, you played on damn there

493
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Speaker 1: every continent, on every football team in the history CFL, NFL, everywhere.

494
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Speaker 1: He played seven years in the league. And another guy

495
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Speaker 1: named Ben Gibbs, who played tight end at ACU and

496
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Speaker 1: toward the great athlete towards me up. But we all

497
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Speaker 1: worked together in the same office at ESRP, the commercial

498
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Speaker 1: real estate firm here at the Cowboys headquarters, and for

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Speaker 1: the longest time we've always had these conversations. You know,

500
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Speaker 1: Tyler and Ben were always talking about, Hey, man, you

501
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Speaker 1: love to hear these stories, not just football stories, but

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Speaker 1: stories about CEOs and doctors. He said, we should start

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Speaker 1: a podcast. Ben Gibbs personally said we should start a

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Speaker 1: podcast and just hear interesting stories. And I had just

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Speaker 1: retired from from ESPN, so I was like, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm done with the media stuff. I just didn't want

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Speaker 1: to go through that process again. And they finally convinced

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Speaker 1: me we finally have our first show. Matt and I

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Speaker 1: fell in love. It was like, this is not an

510
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Speaker 1: ESPN show where we're scripted, we only have two minutes

511
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Speaker 1: to get our point across. This is a podcast where

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Speaker 1: we go, we get all the way deep down, extremely transparent.

513
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Speaker 1: We want to hear the stories. We want to hear

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Speaker 1: the ups and downs. Just yesterday we had Troy Aikman

515
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Speaker 1: on the show, and the show wasn't about so much

516
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Speaker 1: about the football side, but it was about his life stories.

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Speaker 1: And if you hear Troy stories, there's so many times

518
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Speaker 1: where he was at the bottom, breaking his ankle at

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma and losing his job to Mel Holloway, and the

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Speaker 1: mindset that he had to overcome the fact that he

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Speaker 1: had to transfer out the fact that he wanted to

522
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Speaker 1: play baseball really didn't care too much about football man.

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Speaker 1: It was it was just it's interesting to hear these

524
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Speaker 1: stories because we always see the final product. We don't

525
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Speaker 1: hear about the ups and downs they had to get

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Speaker 1: to the challenges they had to overcome to get to

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Speaker 1: that goal. So that's what the Darren Shows all about.

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Speaker 1: Interesting stories. All verticals, not just sports, but all verticals.

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Speaker 1: Where can we find it? You can find it on Instagram,

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Speaker 1: you can find it on YouTube, you can find it

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Speaker 1: see how it goes. Let's jump into a little bit

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Speaker 1: of the owners meetings. Jerry, as we mentioned earlier in

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Speaker 1: in order to do the owners meetings virtually from his

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Speaker 1: the public got word of they came out of those meetings,

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Speaker 1: really revolved around diversity and inclusion. There were a couple

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Speaker 1: of rules changes that were enacted yesterday or resolutions that

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Speaker 1: of being able to create more diversity among head coaches,

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Speaker 1: among coordinators, among front office personnel in the NFL. Right now,

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Speaker 1: there are four minority head coaches in the NFL. Mike Tomlin,

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Speaker 1: Anthony Glenn, Ron Rivera, and Brian Flores. Are also two

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Speaker 1: minority gms, Chris Greyer and Andrew Berry. But now, what

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Speaker 1: teams will be forced to reckon with with regard to

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Speaker 1: this is they must interview two minority head coaches that

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Speaker 1: are external to the organizations, so it can't be pro

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Speaker 1: coaches that are currently on their staff. They also have

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Speaker 1: to interview at least one external minority candidate for all

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Speaker 1: no longer allowed to block assistant coaches who are from

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Speaker 1: interviewing for those coordinator positions. Some of the things that

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00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: have been talked about is, uh, some of these coaches

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Speaker 1: have a hard time right now because they're being they're

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Speaker 1: they're blocked by their teams from being allowed to pursue

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Speaker 1: head coaching I'm sorry, coordinator positions while they're still under

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Speaker 1: a contract with a particular team. So I'll ask you

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Speaker 1: guys the questions, how do you how do you think

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Speaker 1: this affects teams? How do you think these changes affect

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Speaker 1: the teams with regards to their hiring practices. Well, first

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Speaker 1: of all, I love the last thing you just said.

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Speaker 1: I love that rule better than any of them, um,

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Speaker 1: and that helps all coaches. If you're a running backs

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Speaker 1: coach and you want to be an offensive coordinator, but

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Speaker 1: you still have two years left on your deal and

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Speaker 1: you need that security to have that contract I think

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Speaker 1: it is very to be able to not be blocked

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Speaker 1: that way. I've seen the Cowboys blocked a couple of

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Speaker 1: coaches in that regard, and that just gives them one

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Speaker 1: step further because you rarely see a head coach hired

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Speaker 1: from anything other than a coordinator spot. So that just

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Speaker 1: puts them and that one, you know, one step closer

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Speaker 1: to uh you know, of all the things that you said,

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Speaker 1: I love that one the most because I do think

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Speaker 1: that helps every coach in the business, regardless of what

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Speaker 1: they look like. I think that does help them. I

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Speaker 1: do love that rule. Um. I like the other ones too,

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Speaker 1: but I think that one is going to be very

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Speaker 1: beneficial for a lot of reasons. Yeah, I think it

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Speaker 1: feels like a step in the right direction. I don't

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Speaker 1: think anybody has like a perfect answer to the solution.

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Speaker 1: I definitely I'm glad the NFL is trying to be

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Speaker 1: proactive about it. I mean, you're talking about a league

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Speaker 1: that's seventy percent African American with I mean, I mean,

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Speaker 1: what did you say to two GMS and coaches and

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Speaker 1: two GMS? Yeah, I mean, do the do the math

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Speaker 1: on that seventy percent African American league with like a

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Speaker 1: twelve percent representation in the upper echelon. Obviously, it's something

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Speaker 1: that should be addressed. I hope it helps. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I can't sit here and say that at one hundred

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Speaker 1: percent will though, because at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: just like every other business, it's really more about who

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Speaker 1: you know than what you know. In my opinion, I

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Speaker 1: had a conversation with somebody relatively important one time that

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Speaker 1: I think kind of got to the crux of this

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Speaker 1: whole issue, and he was like, well, do you really

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Speaker 1: you really think an NL team wouldn't hire a guy

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Speaker 1: because he's black in this day and age, Like you

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Speaker 1: really believe that? And I was like, no, I don't.

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Speaker 1: That's not the point at all. I think it's that

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Speaker 1: if you don't get face to face with people and

643
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Speaker 1: meet new people, then you're just going to continue this

644
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Speaker 1: this perpetuation. And you know, it's kind of like, you know,

645
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Speaker 1: people get mad when when a coach's son gets hired,

646
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Speaker 1: not necessarily that the guy's not qualified, it's just that

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Speaker 1: you looked across the hall and you're like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know him, and you're just ignoring a whole host

649
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Speaker 1: of other people. Hopefully, I really like the idea that

650
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Speaker 1: you've got to interview somebody from outside the organization because

651
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Speaker 1: it makes it at least a little bit harder to

652
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Speaker 1: just check the box and move on. Maybe you give

653
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Speaker 1: somebody from the outside a chance to come in and

654
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Speaker 1: really blow you away. But at the end of the day,

655
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Speaker 1: it's not going to stop people from hiring someone they're

656
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Speaker 1: comfortable with. And in a league where seventy five percent

657
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Speaker 1: of the power structure is white, more often than not,

658
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Speaker 1: a person they're comfortable with is probably also going to

659
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Speaker 1: be white. So I don't know that this guarantees to

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Speaker 1: fix anything. I think it's a step in the right direction,

661
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Speaker 1: but I guess we'll see. Yeah, I think that like

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Speaker 1: me personally, given like my own personal experiences since I

663
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Speaker 1: moved to the United States and just kind of being

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Speaker 1: be where I'm at. Hell, I I'll be given a

666
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Speaker 1: chance to do anything. You know, So you don't know

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Speaker 1: how much, like they said, you don't know how much

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Speaker 1: it will actually change. But the fact of bringing some

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Speaker 1: just at least presenting the chance for that person to

671
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Speaker 1: enchant you, you know, to make you like them, to

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Speaker 1: let them voice their opinion, their thoughts, their visions. I

673
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Speaker 1: think that hopefully that's definitely a great start, you know,

674
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Speaker 1: to keep moving towards the right direction, and by those chances,

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Speaker 1: you know, if someone is giving a chance and then

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Speaker 1: they take it and it works out, then it'll hopefully

677
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Speaker 1: open up more eyes and open things up better and

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Speaker 1: think like, Okay, well, you know, maybe going outside of

679
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Speaker 1: our comfort zone isn't that bad. You know, maybe we

680
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Speaker 1: can't try that and it will just work out fine.

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Speaker 1: So I like that. Who knows how big of a

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Speaker 1: change it will be, but it's definitely better than how

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Speaker 1: it was before. Yeah, I think one of the big

684
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Speaker 1: challenges here, and this is this is an NFL issue.

685
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Speaker 1: This is an issue I think in general society when

686
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Speaker 1: it comes to hiring practices, but there's a lot of

687
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Speaker 1: gray area, and I think it's why you see in sports,

688
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Speaker 1: particularly with athletes, you see there's probably a lot more

689
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Speaker 1: minority minorities that that get opportunities. And I think it's

690
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Speaker 1: because sports still remains one of the true areas where

691
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Speaker 1: your abilities to be able to do the job are

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Speaker 1: very easy to see. Right, you can sell a running

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Speaker 1: backs really good because you can look at his production, right.

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Speaker 1: It's it's a lot harder to be able to look

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Speaker 1: at a position coach and say, yeah, he's a great coach,

696
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Speaker 1: he'll be a great OC, he'll be a great DC,

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Speaker 1: he'll be a great head coach, because a lot of

698
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Speaker 1: his success is really dependent upon other people doing great jobs, right.

699
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Speaker 1: And so there's all this gray area as to a

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Speaker 1: great coach, and you usually don't see the great coach

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Speaker 1: until he is the great coach, right, And so you

702
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Speaker 1: have a lot of gray area to play with. And

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Speaker 1: those are the areas where you tend to find a

704
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Speaker 1: lot where you have to create these these artificial ways

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Speaker 1: of making sure that people who otherwise wouldn't get opportunities

706
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Speaker 1: can get opportunities because that gray area there isn't it

707
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Speaker 1: isn't as clear cut as who are the great coaches

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Speaker 1: from the guys that aren't the great coaches. You look

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Speaker 1: at a guy like Jason Garrett, he checks a lot

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Speaker 1: of the boxes, and you would think he's gonna be

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Speaker 1: really successful. I thought he would be very successful with

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys. I thought he was a good leader. I

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Speaker 1: thought he knew how to communicate well. There are a

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Speaker 1: lot of things that he checks the box on, but

715
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Speaker 1: he never got beyond that certain point as a head

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Speaker 1: coach that moved him into that upper echelon of coaches

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Speaker 1: that are considered to be really really good head coaches. Right,

718
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Speaker 1: and so there is that gray area, and I think

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Speaker 1: that's really kind of what this is all meant to combat.

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Speaker 1: To some degree. You have to be you have to

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Speaker 1: be fortunate. I mean, Jason Garrett was a good coach.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you can't do anything for nine years. He

723
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Speaker 1: was a good coach, but Dallas kind always need better

724
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: than good, and so you know, good wasn't enough he got.

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Speaker 1: He had great seasons when he really needed to. He

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Speaker 1: had some bad luck as well. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean some of those games against the Packers that

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Speaker 1: was that wasn't you know, fortunate for him. But he

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Speaker 1: also was fortunate in other ways. But you know, it's

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Speaker 1: all about who who's around you. I mean, I know,

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Speaker 1: Eric b Enemy gets a lot of talk about, you know,

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Speaker 1: why he didn't get a head coaching job, and you

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Speaker 1: know he probably will get a lot more chances too.

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Speaker 1: But having Patrick Mahomes helps him. I mean that that

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Speaker 1: helps him. Look at Jim Caldwell when he was coaching

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Speaker 1: the Colts, I mean, Josh McDaniels. Those guys coach great players,

737
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Speaker 1: and so it is kind of hard to figure out,

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Speaker 1: you know how, what's your value is. It's it about

739
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Speaker 1: the players, is about you, It's about the system. So

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Speaker 1: whatever gives them an opportunity. You know, coaches say all

741
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Speaker 1: the time, put me in the room, let me talk,

742
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Speaker 1: and let me let me sell myself. And I think

743
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Speaker 1: this is gonna give them. He's gonna give it a

744
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: lot of coaches an opportunity to do that more. One

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Speaker 1: of the world Docum Minute examples of the Rooney Rule

746
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Speaker 1: and how it worked is Mike Tomlins. As the story goes,

747
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 1: the Steelers were not necessarily thinking that he was going

748
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Speaker 1: to be a really strong candidate, but they needed to

749
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Speaker 1: get an African, give an African American coach an opportunity,

750
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Speaker 1: and they gave an opportunity and he completely blew them

751
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Speaker 1: away and it turned out being a good hire for them.

752
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Speaker 1: They got a coach that won a Super Bowl for him.

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Speaker 1: So I think, I think ultimately that's the whole point

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Speaker 1: of the Rooney Rule, and even these changes to the

755
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Speaker 1: Rooney Rule is get the guys opportunities to get in

756
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Speaker 1: front of the right people and then make the decision right,

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Speaker 1: But at least you had it out. You gave him

758
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Speaker 1: the opportunity to be able to sell themselves as the

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Speaker 1: best head coaching candidate, the best offensive coordinating candidate, even

760
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Speaker 1: the best GM candidate, and then based on that you

761
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: can make your decision because it now gave them access

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Speaker 1: to the process. And I don't want to I'm not

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Speaker 1: trying to discreditation get he's the wal credential coach. He's

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Speaker 1: had a lot of success as a coach. But to

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Speaker 1: go back to my point, don't you feel like his

766
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Speaker 1: relationships around football helped him fast track his career? I

767
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: mean he played for the Cowboys. He was already on

768
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones's radar well before he even got into coaching.

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Speaker 1: Parlaid a decade plus worth of playing into getting a

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Speaker 1: job with Nick Saban, very very early in his career.

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Speaker 1: And again not to discredit the guy, but relationships helped

772
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: him land with the Cowboys. His father, you know, worked

773
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys. Like again, who you know is very important.

774
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: Not everybody's going to have such a wealth of connections,

775
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,479
Speaker 1: and so anything you can do to get new people

776
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Speaker 1: in a room with decision makers, hopefully you will be

777
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: a good thing. And also it's like like you guys said,

778
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Speaker 1: it's about selling yourself that when you do get that chance,

779
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: that you are able to sell yourself and make it

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Speaker 1: convince him. Because for example, remember Chris Richard, like I

781
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Speaker 1: a head coach, let's go, come on. But after that,

783
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Speaker 1: once I started hearing some things of the way he

784
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Speaker 1: interviewed with other teams that he wasn't necessarily a great interviewer,

785
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Speaker 1: and from what I hear heard, he those interviews didn't

786
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Speaker 1: really go well. And the thing is that sometimes these

787
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Speaker 1: teams they also reach out to their prior team, you know,

788
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 1: and other dms and other people just to kind of

789
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Speaker 1: find out, Okay, how was this guy as a coach

790
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Speaker 1: over there, you know, behind the scenes, because yes, you

791
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: get to see what he does on the field and everything,

792
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: but how it goes beyond the things that you do

793
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: on the field. It's also about those kinds of relationships

794
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: and how are you as a leader, you know, And

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Speaker 1: that's one of the things that Garrett did have. But

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Speaker 1: in general, it's just such a tricky position because so

797
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Speaker 1: many things have to work in your favor that it's

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Speaker 1: just really tough. But I do think this is a

799
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Speaker 1: and we'll see if that ultimately ends up in them

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803
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Speaker 1: So hopefully this gets some more opportunities to get involved

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Speaker 1: in that process. We're gonna take our final break when

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852
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Speaker 1: think that he gets a pass if the Cowboys end

853
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: up with a loose Becker? I mean, does he have

854
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: a shorter leash or it seems, you know, compared to

855
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: how they were with Garrett as far as patient, you know,

856
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: are you can that clarify real quick? Are you talking

857
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: about what the organizations be patient with him? Or the

858
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: fans or no organization? Jerry Jervis, all right, got it, Nick,

859
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:24,919
Speaker 1: you has up to say, I saw you raise your hand.

860
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: Oh well, I'm maybe I'm a little confused that I

861
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: don't think he's got a one year deal. That it

862
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: was that I don't know if that was the question. Um,

863
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know how. I don't have the

864
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: deal instructure. I think it was. It's longer been than

865
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: a one year deal of year contract. Yeah, basically, it's

866
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: like in this first year, in the first year, do

867
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: you think that he gets like a shorter leash as

868
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: far as patients WI like god? Or does he have

869
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: to do a lot better than what Garrett gave you?

870
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: Got you? Yeah? Okay, Um, because we've seen in coaches

871
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: you can, Gary can do whatever he wants, you know,

872
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 1: as far as they could be a one year deal

873
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: in his mind or whatever. As far as as when

874
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 1: when does the seat start getting warm? Basically I think

875
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: it's you know, he'll have a little bit of leeway.

876
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: But everybody who thinks lest year's roster was good and

877
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 1: probably will think this year's roster is is really good

878
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: as well. And you know, I think that if he

879
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: you know, if they lose close games where it feels

880
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: like the game was mismanaged or whatever. Then yeah, I

881
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: think it'll it will It'll be this year when you

882
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: start hearing, oh, I thought this guy was a little

883
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: bit better. So I mean a little bit of a leash.

884
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: But I think with the Dallas Cowboys head coaching position,

885
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: the criticism will always be there, and it'll start from

886
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: the you know, from the very beginning. Yeah, I mean

887
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: the court of public opinion. People expect wins, and they

888
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: expect them right away. Like if this season is even mediocre,

889
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: people are going to be upset. That's just the nature

890
00:47:55,760 --> 00:48:00,399
Speaker 1: of the beast. But like the Cowboys themselves, this season

891
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 1: would have to be an unmitigated disaster for I mean,

892
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: they'd have to win five or fewer games for me

893
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,240
Speaker 1: to think like Mike McCarthy was going to get fired

894
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: after one season on the job like that, Just that

895
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 1: doesn't even happen. You know, nobody does that very rarely.

896
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 1: I guess the Browns did it with Ready Kitchens, but

897
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: it was an unmitigated disaster. So it would have to

898
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 1: be something really, really bad. And on top of that,

899
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: you know, the Cowboys aren't they don't They're not having

900
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: an offseason, not a traditional one at any rate, So

901
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: you've already got that baked into the pie. You know,

902
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: it would be really, really surprising to see the organization

903
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: lose faith with him before, you know, at least two

904
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 1: or three seasons. We'll say this though, I don't think.

905
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anybody in this organization and doesn't

906
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 1: believe they have a quality team as far as the

907
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: personnel is concerned. And I'm talking a playoff caliber team

908
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: and who knows what beyond that. But so I do

909
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: think there would be some raised eyebrows within the organization

910
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: with people that matter if this team is not a

911
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: playoff team. I think there will be some questions on

912
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: that because I think they feel like they already had

913
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: a good roster. I think they feel like they had

914
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 1: a wonderful, outstanding draft, as everybody wants to say. So

915
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,399
Speaker 1: I think when you combine all those things, I think,

916
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 1: and they're bringing in a coach who has the pedigree

917
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: of Mike McCarthy, I think their expectations for Mike McCarthy

918
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: is he's going to get this team in the playoffs

919
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: and he's gonna take them a long way, and maybe

920
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: that doesn't have to happen like then they don't have

921
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: to go all the way this year. But I do

922
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: expect that if this is a is not a playoff

923
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: team this year, I think there will be a little

924
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: bit of disappointment. I think there will be expectations that

925
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: he should be better, that this team should be better

926
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: than that for this year. Well, talking about the quarterback position,

927
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: we know that Andy Dalton is gonna be here with

928
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. Going back to when Mark Stanchez was here,

929
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: you know, we talked about how Mark Stanchez was able

930
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,800
Speaker 1: to help Dak with some of the things on the

931
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: field and off the field and to kind of manage

932
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: and find his way through what he was dealing with

933
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: at the position. When you look at Andy Dalton, what

934
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 1: are some of the things or qualities that he can

935
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:17,399
Speaker 1: show Dak or what can Dak learn from him? I think, Sorry, Dave,

936
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, if you want to get

937
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 1: really detailed with it, he you know, he's a guy.

938
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: When Dad comes off the field, you know, he could

939
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,240
Speaker 1: look over at Andy Dalton and he has seen it before.

940
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: He's seen it several times. He knows exactly what that

941
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: defense is like. And to be specific, there are four

942
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: games on the schedule that against teams that you know,

943
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 1: Dak hasn't played since his rookie year and Andy Dalton

944
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: played him twice a year and including Cincinnati in practice.

945
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: So he'll be able to kind of help from from

946
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 1: that standpoint as well, just in those weeks on a

947
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,800
Speaker 1: team that's that's not going to be as familiar for

948
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: the Cowboys in the offensive for Dak. So I just

949
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 1: think a better instead of eyes and in his mind

950
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: will be something that will lean on if he allows,

951
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 1: you know, to do that, he allows himself to do that,

952
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:13,280
Speaker 1: which I think he will not. To steal up staff

953
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: on Twitter, and I apologize, I can't find I can't

954
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: find who tweeted it, so I'm sorry to that person,

955
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: but I saw it blew my mind, do y'all? Like

956
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: Dak already holds the Cowboys record by a considerable margin

957
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: for consecutive start, more than Romo. You know, Romo obviously

958
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: had a lengthy problem with injuries. Aikman had his injury

959
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 1: issues as well, miss games and several seasons stop by,

960
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: Dak is already way better than all of them. Like,

961
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: I think he's got sixty four and behind him it's

962
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: like thirty seven or forty something like, yeah, yeah, exactly so.

963
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 1: And the reason I bring it up is I was

964
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 1: never worried about the the backup quarterback position in the

965
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: sense that he would have to play, because Dak has

966
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: not really given a ton of indication that he would

967
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 1: need to come off the field. But what's always bothering me,

968
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,479
Speaker 1: how backup quarterback is what do any of these guys

969
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,959
Speaker 1: know about quarterbacking that Dak Prescott doesn't? Like, Hey, Coop,

970
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 1: what did you see out there? He's like, I don't know.

971
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,720
Speaker 1: I've only played in garbage time ever in my life.

972
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: So and I mean, I'm not trying to dog Cooper rush,

973
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 1: but you'd like to think the backup quarterback can help

974
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: the starter sort of navigate his way through a game

975
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 1: or a season or a game plan. And he started

976
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty three games, he's been in the

977
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: playoffs more times than Dak. You know, I don't think

978
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:34,959
Speaker 1: he's a better quarterback than Dak right now, but he's

979
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 1: got plenty of expertise to lend, and I think that

980
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: makes him twice as valuable on top of the fact

981
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 1: that he could step into the lineup if he needed to.

982
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: There's not much to add to that. I think both

983
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: those guys hit the nail on the head. It's experience,

984
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: So if nothing else, he'll be able to add some

985
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: experience to what Daks has and has not been able

986
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: to see. Although he's been in the league now long

987
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: enough to where he's probably seeing pretty much everything. It's

988
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 1: just a matter of having another set of eyes that

989
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: tells him what he's seeing as the games going on.

990
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: And and and also there's a misperception out there about competition.

991
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: I think a lot of times people think that if

992
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: somebody's not a real threat to take your job, that

993
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 1: they're not competing with you. But any any person that's competitive,

994
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: any guy that's ever went out and played and saw

995
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: if Andy Dalton takes the second team offense down and

996
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: scores a touchdown in the first you know, practice of

997
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 1: training camp, Dak's gonna see that. Dak knows that, and

998
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: Dad's gonna make sure that you know that the offense

999
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: doesn't struggle so kind about taking his job. It's just

1000
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 1: taking to another level. And I think Andy don't even

1001
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: do that better than anybody that's ever been around deck.

1002
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: That's a really great point. Niga's just setting that bar right.

1003
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 1: You see the bar, and I feel competitor. You go

1004
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:46,240
Speaker 1: try to beat the bar. Right if if Rob Phillips

1005
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: writes a really good story two days in a row, Dave,

1006
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: it's gonna be I mean, you know, it's like, hey,

1007
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:57,320
Speaker 1: I'm right, I mean, hey, let's go. Yeah, that's what

1008
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: anybody I mean, you know, I mean we're I'm that

1009
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: way as well. So it's I just think that will help.

1010
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: He's got somebody next to him that that will push him.

1011
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 1: And I don't think they'll be done in a healthy way. Okay,

1012
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: I didn't check this tat, so I don't know if

1013
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 1: it's on accurate or not. But according to this tweet,

1014
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: Chris Jones was the twenty third ranked putner on twenty

1015
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 1: eighteen and thirty last year. Special teams have killed us

1016
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: over the last years. Any word on bringing in some

1017
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:37,800
Speaker 1: competition of the punter position, you know, Mike was asked

1018
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 1: about that after the draft in one of the you know,

1019
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 1: in one of the various zoom calls that we did

1020
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 1: with them, somebody asked him about that, and he made

1021
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: it sound like thee they feel pretty good about what

1022
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: they have. I think John Fossil is comfortable or optimistic

1023
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 1: about Chris Jones. I don't. I don't argue the point,

1024
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:58,919
Speaker 1: and I don't even need to look at the rest

1025
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: of the NFL. Compare Chris Jones to himself. Go look

1026
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 1: at his numbers from twenty sixteen and twenty seventeen compared

1027
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:10,720
Speaker 1: to the last two seasons. It's very drasticum the net punning.

1028
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: You know how many yards you're giving up as well

1029
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 1: as your your field position. You know, in twenty sixteen,

1030
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen, like he was pinning teams inside there

1031
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:22,240
Speaker 1: n twenty like half the time. And it just hasn't

1032
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 1: been the case. Um So I don't argue like he

1033
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 1: has not been up to snuff. But you bring in

1034
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: a new ordinator, one of the better special teams coordinators

1035
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:34,359
Speaker 1: in the league, if he thinks he can work with Chris,

1036
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: I trust that. I'm not you know, I'm not panicking

1037
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: about it. You don't think they need a contingency plan.

1038
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 1: I think the contingency plan is whoever's out there when

1039
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 1: when you decide, I mean I think that you you

1040
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 1: would probably go get a veteran funner. I don't think

1041
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,879
Speaker 1: you're gonna get a guy that's really gonna push them

1042
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 1: all all the time in practice. But I don't I'm

1043
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:01,399
Speaker 1: saying that they should or should in him. I think

1044
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 1: that stats are weird when it comes to punting. You

1045
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,359
Speaker 1: could be on the forty yard line, you could punt

1046
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: it to the ten. That's a good punt, but it

1047
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: looks like a thirty yard punt to the guy in

1048
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: New York and it doesn't look great. So the people

1049
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 1: that know are the ones that are right here, the

1050
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: ones that are in the press box, Dave Derek Amber

1051
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 1: that watch it and go, they need a really good

1052
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 1: punt here. And that wasn't the you know, like you

1053
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 1: could just tell from the eyes. And he struggled him

1054
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 1: last year. Now, he did have a pack injury that

1055
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 1: affected him all last year. Wasn't publicly known a lot.

1056
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 1: But I do think that if he's healthy, he can

1057
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 1: be better. But the watches on him because they have

1058
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: to be better than they want what they were. And

1059
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: the tough part for me is that it's been two

1060
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,439
Speaker 1: years now. It was last year and the year before

1061
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 1: that he wasn't great. And so that's what makes me

1062
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 1: start to think, at this point, maybe you're seeing a decline.

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00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 1: Maybe they can get more out of him. I certainly

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00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:57,360
Speaker 1: I am open to the idea if you bring in

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00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: a new special teams coordinator and he's supposed to be

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00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 1: one of the best in the league, and maybe he

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00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: figures out some ways to be able to help him

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00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: and to be able to get him back to what

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00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 1: he was two years ago. But as of right now,

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00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,839
Speaker 1: I think they needed contingency planning. Again. Maybe the thought

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00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 1: is the contingency plan means that you know whoever's out

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00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: on the street right now, like he is going to

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00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 1: be out on the street once you get the training

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00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: camp and beyond. So if you need to make a move,

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00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 1: you already have that short list to call those guys

1076
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 1: up and you make the move. But I just hope

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00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 1: that they're thinking in that way because I don't trust

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00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: necessarily right now that he's going to be He's gonna

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00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 1: have it about face from what he's been the last

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00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: two years. I think with him, let's not roll out

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00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 1: how good is his arm or how good is his legs,

1082
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: because nobody runs more fake punts than John Fossil. He

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00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: runs them all the time and would have seen a

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00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 1: couple of fake punts out of Chris Jones. He's a

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00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: good athlete, So that's gonna factor into this. I mean,

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00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 1: I know we're joking around about it, but I mean

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00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 1: they're gonna run some fake punts and I think he's

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00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: pretty good, you know, guy to have in that regard. Obviously,

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00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 1: you want to see how well he punted Doe of

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00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: his job or I'd say seventy five. He is a

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00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 1: holder as well, but you know, his athletic ability, the

1092
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: punter's applicability is important to a John Fossil special team.

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00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 1: This probably applies to like any business, but my border,

1094
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: like my base side attitude toward any player that struggled

1095
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 1: is I'm like, it's you know, it's a brand new

1096
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 1: coaching staff, it's an all new past, and the schemes

1097
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: are gonna change. And for the most part, I'm just

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00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: willing to give anybody the benefit of the doubt, um

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00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: and let these let these coaches see what they can

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00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 1: do with them, and you can reevaluate if that's not

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00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 1: the case once you start playing football. But I feel

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00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 1: planning optimistic that Jones can bounce that. I real quick, Ambert,

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00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: before we end the show, I wanted to get back

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00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 1: to that question I was about and to ask you

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00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 1: guys in the first segment about Cheeto, I'll retee it out.

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00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:00,120
Speaker 1: But Sankya Pruland of NFL dot Com, she asked he

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00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 1: was talking about. She made one player from every team

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00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 1: that she thought was undervalued. She named Cheto Luzier, the

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00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 1: guy for the Cowboys. She said he's been far us

1110
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: talked about despite forcing eighteen in completions in twenty nineteen,

1111
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 1: third most in the NFL, a stat I did not know.

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00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 1: We also did some research looking into just pro football

1113
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 1: focuses coverage ratings. Richard Sherman was at the top of

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00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 1: the list with ninety point five rating, Byron Jones was

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00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 1: sixteenth at seventy four point eight rating, and Cheeto this

1116
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 1: was number twenty six at seventy point five rating, which,

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00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 1: if you think about it, you got thirty two teams,

1118
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 1: and that means you got two cornerbacks at least on

1119
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 1: all those teams, not including the third cornerback, which you

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00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 1: would make that number even higher. So twenty six is

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00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: not a horrible place as far as a ranking in

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00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 1: the NFL as far as cornerbacks. My question for you

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00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 1: guys is have we undervalued what Cheetah bay Olusier has

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00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 1: been for this team at quarterback? Quarterback. Let's start with you, Dave,

1125
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: and talk out both sides of my mouth a little bit,

1126
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: because one I do think Cheeto probably like the rap,

1127
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:12,959
Speaker 1: is worse than the actual onfield product. It is hard

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01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 1: to play cornerback. It's a thankless job. If you give

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01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: up completions, that's what people remember. I think you can

1130
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 1: say the same thing about Anthony Brown. I think he

1131
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: is a better player than the public discourse gives him

1132
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 1: credit for having said that. I can't sit here and

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01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: say that I think Cheeto is undervalued, Like you can

1134
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 1: go back and watch like the plays are there. His

1135
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 1: coverage is usually good, but at some point you have

1136
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 1: to admit that the imposing receiver makes the reception. You

1137
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 1: have to admit that he had problems finding the ball

1138
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 1: with how often he was targeted. You have to admit

1139
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 1: that he was taken out of a game by the

1140
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 1: coaching staff for coming late on an angle and giving

1141
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: up a big run play. I think it was against

1142
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 1: who was that against? It was like Buffalo, Maybe it

1143
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 1: was like in December. I don't know, but he was

1144
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 1: pulled out of the starting lineup by the coaching staff.

1145
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 1: So all that stuff is still true. Um, it's kind

1146
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 1: of like what I said about Chris Jones is like

1147
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 1: I'm I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt,

1148
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 1: had a change of coaches and a change of scenery

1149
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 1: to do him good. I do think he's a capable

1150
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 1: NFL starter, but I can't come as far as to

1151
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 1: say he's the most undervalued player on the roster. Definitely not.

1152
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 1: I think that. I think the premise behind that point

1153
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 1: is the fact that he's ranked one hundred and twelve

1154
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 1: in a league in cornerbacks average salary. He's making just

1155
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 1: over a million. I think he's fifth on the Cowboys roster,

1156
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:37,919
Speaker 1: right ahead of C. J. Goodwin, who's not ever gonna

1157
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 1: play corner and Daryl Whorley, and Trevon Diggs who's never

1158
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 1: had a snap, and Anthony Brown, and I think there's

1159
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 1: a there's an and Maurice Kennedy. They're all ranked, you know,

1160
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 1: higher than him, and he could be your best cornerback.

1161
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 1: Keito could be um. So I think that's where where

1162
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 1: that comes in, and it comes into you know, anytime

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01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 1: you get in the last year of your deal, you're

1164
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 1: going to be under about you because you're probably a

1165
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 1: good player that's starting, and your contracts still not there

1166
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 1: yet because he ever got a set a deal. So

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01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: I think he's he's good. Like Dave said, I agree

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01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 1: with everything Dave said. He had some problems last year.

1169
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 1: Your expectations were higher, but I think that you know,

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01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 1: he's making a million dollars a year. There's a lot

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01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 1: of corners making work, and a lot of them aren't

1172
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 1: even cornerbacks. In this league, there's special teams guys this before.

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01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 1: I do see the talent in him. I think we've

1174
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: seen it before. We've seen the kind of like competitive

1175
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 1: nature that he has. He's a physical guy. He he

1176
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 1: can do it. He can do it. I had in

1177
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 1: my heart, I had high hopes for him last year.

1178
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 1: Obviously didn't go. I'm sure how he planned to go.

1179
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 1: But when you talk about a guy like him, I

1180
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: think that regardless of whatever people say, regardless of whatever

1181
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 1: stats this year, he's gonna have a lot to prove

1182
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 1: if he wants to even stay on the team. So

1183
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 1: at this point, whether he's undervalued or not, you just

1184
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 1: you gotta step it up and just find a place

1185
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 1: on the roster. And if you talk about undervalue, I

1186
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 1: mean I would be talking about a guy like Jordan

1187
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 1: Lewis instead, you know when you're looking at those stats.

1188
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 1: But but yeah, he hopefully can step it up this

1189
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 1: year and with the addition of these other younger guys

1190
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 1: that can bring out more competitiveness out of everyone and

1191
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens there at the position. All Right,

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01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 1: that's rap. We appreciate you guys joining us this week.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back next week at our normal time Wednesday's

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Speaker 1: at eleven am till then Nick eat mc, Dave helm

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Speaker 1: and Amber Garcia. I am Derek Eagleton. This has been

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