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Speaker 1: So you can go watch that spearing dinosaurs. Spearing dinosaurs.

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Speaker 1: He's a he is a what whoever edited the Meat

425
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Speaker 1: Eater one? They called him a lucky bastard and they

426
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Speaker 1: find that to be pretty true. So then we took

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Speaker 1: it to Smitty's or house and had a couple of years.

428
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Speaker 1: That's a good way to bring it full circle back.

429
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Speaker 1: I wish you'd pick me up one of those shirts. Chester.

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Speaker 1: I gotta get you one, and you need to come

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Speaker 1: back there. I know you're putting in for the uproar.

432
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Speaker 1: Me and Yanni are in big time on the draw

433
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Speaker 1: every year. Man, we're accumulating bonus points on Sturgeon. Uh

434
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Speaker 1: here's what we're touched on real quick. It's just it's

435
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Speaker 1: so upsetting to me. We all the time have video

436
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Speaker 1: game people. I'm probably gonna want to regretting this later

437
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Speaker 1: if I just want to cash in fields video game person.

438
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Speaker 1: Video game people are always trying to get us to

439
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Speaker 1: like collaborate on a video game. Zero interest in that, zero, Sorry, Phil,

440
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Speaker 1: I really wanted to play as Steve. Oh yeah, like

441
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Speaker 1: to do a video game anyways. Now there's like a metavert, like,

442
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Speaker 1: you know, Facebook change his name to meta Yeah, why

443
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Speaker 1: did they do that? Because you're gonna get into all

444
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Speaker 1: this virtual reality stuff where you make up it's like

445
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Speaker 1: you make up a little thing. You know, people like

446
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Speaker 1: make up those little emoji people versions of themselves. Yeah, okay,

447
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Speaker 1: imagine you make one of those that right, No, imagine

448
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Speaker 1: you it's imagine you had one of those. But that's

449
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Speaker 1: how you lived your whole life. You stay in your

450
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Speaker 1: house and you're like, I'm going to go to a concert,

451
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Speaker 1: and then you put on goggles in your little emoji

452
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Speaker 1: person goes to a concert and it seems like you're

453
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Speaker 1: at a concert. I know there was what you're looking

454
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Speaker 1: through a screen. There are some Super Bowl commercials that

455
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Speaker 1: were like live this happy virtual life. Everybody's very excited

456
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Speaker 1: about this stuff. They're very excited that you can just

457
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Speaker 1: sit at home and be a total loser and be

458
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Speaker 1: just a pathetic loser at home, and you could look

459
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Speaker 1: as good as you want. You could have everything you

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Speaker 1: should have had, and you go and interact and make

461
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Speaker 1: like virtual friends and live in the metaverse. Apparently, like

462
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Speaker 1: Zuckerberg is very excited about it. You can change his

463
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Speaker 1: whole outfit to meta. You can buy virtual real estate.

464
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Speaker 1: Is that is that Fahrenheit one with like the Lazy

465
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Speaker 1: Boy in the Seashell you know where where where, Like

466
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Speaker 1: it's it's either that or it's, uh, well, I forget

467
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Speaker 1: what it was, but it's a very famous novel. And

468
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Speaker 1: the whole thing is like they have all these folks

469
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Speaker 1: that are just like plugged in with what they describe

470
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Speaker 1: as like a little seashell earpiece and they're just hanging

471
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Speaker 1: out in these like lazy boys basically and like just

472
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Speaker 1: existing in that virtual reality. I think you're thinking about, um,

473
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Speaker 1: that movie Wally. No, No, I'm gonna look it up.

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah. Anyhow, they of course they now have a

475
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Speaker 1: hunting version, but it's like, uh yeah, it's like a

476
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Speaker 1: it's like built on a blockchain technology. Hunting versions, Hunting

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Speaker 1: metaverse come on a lot of n f T s.

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Speaker 1: You know, someone in our universe has a character on

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Speaker 1: one of these games. That's great. I don't care. Okay,

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Speaker 1: who's this. Yeah he's into it or not. I don't

481
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Speaker 1: know if he's into it. Might just do one of

482
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Speaker 1: those things people do because they're like, man, it's not

483
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Speaker 1: a bad deal. Um, I don't know, are you in

484
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Speaker 1: one time a negative ghostwriter? If you want to do

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Speaker 1: something for yourself by our book Outdoor Kids, An Inside World,

486
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Speaker 1: that book is going to become more important than ever

487
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Speaker 1: once everybody moves into the metaverse. Yeah, I agree, I'm

488
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Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna sell that book packaged with a hammer

489
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Speaker 1: where you can smash a bunch of that ship and

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Speaker 1: It's the it lays out the case for having your

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Speaker 1: kids and your family become radically involved with nature. Moving down,

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Speaker 1: oh quick questions. Someone wrote in with can you get

495
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Speaker 1: trick noses? If you're cleaning a bear and get the

496
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Speaker 1: blood all over you and you have an open wound

497
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Speaker 1: on your skin? Can you get tricked from it? Uh?

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Speaker 1: Like it has to go through your stomach, It doesn't.

499
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Speaker 1: You're like stomach acid have to digest. Yeah, you gotta

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Speaker 1: get like a certain number. You gotta get some amount

501
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Speaker 1: of the cysts in your stomach, and your stomach acid

502
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Speaker 1: liberates the cyst. Then it has to go through your

503
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Speaker 1: vascular system. But you're just messing around with bear meat

504
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Speaker 1: and bear blood isn't gonna do it. Are there like

505
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Speaker 1: super long term effects of like that happening to you?

506
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Speaker 1: It can attack your heart and screw up, but it's

507
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Speaker 1: very rare. But when I had it, That's what I

508
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Speaker 1: was reading about, is like the cases where people get

509
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Speaker 1: it bad as they get too much that that that

510
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Speaker 1: parasite load gets too heavily into the muscle, the heart muscle.

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Speaker 1: Do you have any idea like what your specific load

512
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Speaker 1: kind of was or if like you're the severity of

513
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Speaker 1: your case. No, but the meat I ate had um

514
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Speaker 1: a half million sists per pound. If you if you

515
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Speaker 1: sat down and ate a sixteen ounce pot rolls half

516
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Speaker 1: a million sists loaded. Because they the CDC came and

517
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Speaker 1: got a chunk of my bear meat and hauled it

518
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Speaker 1: down to Atlanta to their lab, and that's what they get.

519
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Speaker 1: That's what they came back to me with. UM. You know,

520
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: everybody's always trying to end bobcat hunting and lying hunting

521
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Speaker 1: here and there my home. This makes me proud to

522
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Speaker 1: be a Michigander. They're increasing as bobcat numbers continue to climb,

523
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: they're expanding longer seasons, more units. The bobcat is firmly

524
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Speaker 1: re established itself. UM good connectivity among units. So they're

525
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: opening up hunting and trapping opportunities in Michigan for bobcats

526
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: in order to meet the good news of bobcat numbers

527
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Speaker 1: doing great, still recovering from like the Timber Boom when

528
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: they logged live and piss out of that state and

529
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: killed all the wildlife off. As we recover it, people

530
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Speaker 1: are rewarded with expanded opportunities. Anything to think about, that spencer.

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Speaker 1: Did you see any there when you were a kid? No,

532
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Speaker 1: but I uh, the first bobcat, yes, but not down

533
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Speaker 1: where I lived. The first time I heard of a

534
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Speaker 1: bobcat where right where I lived was actually on a

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Speaker 1: farm where I would trap fox and raccoon, and the

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Speaker 1: farmer's nephew was sitting in his tree stand and saw

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Speaker 1: to bobcats together. That was the first ordered and that

538
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Speaker 1: was in the nineties, the first reported incident anywhere near

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Speaker 1: my home of bobcats. You could catch one bobcat a

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Speaker 1: year north of us, but we never focused on it

541
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Speaker 1: because they were only worth bucks because they're not like

542
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Speaker 1: the Western cats. Western cats right now, even though for

543
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: prices are super down, someone just sent me a text

544
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Speaker 1: last night that they just sold a bunch of their

545
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Speaker 1: cats for four bucks. Wow. So spiking up not where

546
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Speaker 1: it was a few years ago. But Hi, these articles

547
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Speaker 1: on our website One State might expand bobcat hunting and

548
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Speaker 1: trapping Season two talks about the future of Michigan seasons.

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Speaker 1: Tell me the headlining, and I think I feel like

550
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Speaker 1: that could have been written better. One State might expand

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00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: bobcat hunting and trapping seasons. So that's a pissport headline

552
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Speaker 1: one state might it just doesn't have like a real

553
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Speaker 1: like you know what I mean. Well, it's it's in

554
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Speaker 1: the context of we've recently covered how a lot of

555
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Speaker 1: other states to go in the other direction, like Arizona, Colorado, California, Illinois, Indiana.

556
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Speaker 1: So when you see this on Facebook page, you're like, well,

557
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Speaker 1: who's doing that? Yeah? What I do like about it?

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Speaker 1: Krinn and I were emailing, or Krin was emailing me

559
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Speaker 1: this morning about the opposite, like, I guess it's underselling

560
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Speaker 1: an article is okay, But Krinn was talking to an anthropologist.

561
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Speaker 1: Krinn and him, we're emailing about a headline that came out,

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Speaker 1: and he was saying that the science when when popular

563
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Speaker 1: news journals, popular news sources cover anthropology archaeology, they often

564
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Speaker 1: oversell and try to create these sort of fantastical headlines

565
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Speaker 1: out of something that the science just doesn't support. So recently,

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Speaker 1: like it was this article, perhaps Neanderthal's didn't suffer a

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Speaker 1: dramatic kill off, right, And he's like, I'm not aware

568
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Speaker 1: of anyone who felt that they did. A guy on

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Speaker 1: Wyoming just got busted for selling poached game meat, and

570
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Speaker 1: it's funny he wasn't even selling it as game meat.

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Speaker 1: He's shooting meal deer and antalopen quite a few of

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Speaker 1: them and selling his organic beef jerky. He also they

573
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 1: had suspicions about this dude, and this dude sells access

574
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Speaker 1: on his ranch for three bucks. So some undercover game

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Speaker 1: wardens form Wyoming booked themselves a couple of days of

576
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Speaker 1: hunting on his ranch, and as they're wanting around, they

577
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Speaker 1: noticed like burn piles full of carcasses, red flag. He's

578
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Speaker 1: so secretive that he tells the undercover wardens what he does.

579
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Speaker 1: What I do you see? I shoot antalopen deer and

580
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Speaker 1: sell it as organic beef jerky And they're like, you

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Speaker 1: know what? Say So they were able to put a

582
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Speaker 1: pretty solid case against him. And did you hear like

583
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 1: got the ball rolling on this. His ex girlfriend tattled

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Speaker 1: on him. Go figure her. I didn't see that. His

585
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: ex girlfriend told girlfriend, I know what great saying about that,

586
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Speaker 1: but I can't say it's too dirty. I'm dying to know.

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Speaker 1: It's the blank and you get for the blank, and

588
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Speaker 1: you got I think we get it. Okay, let's be

589
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Speaker 1: a law enforcement We're gonna hand it. We're gonna hand

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Speaker 1: it over to our very own Katie Hill, who's gonna

591
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Speaker 1: lay out our first ever inaugural Meat Eater investigates. She's

592
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Speaker 1: like Bob Woodward. That's the compliment of Essentially, she's the

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Speaker 1: Bob Woodward of the of the wild of the wildlife world.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. So I wrote this story about finding Saga

595
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Speaker 1: antelope porn's for sale on major online retailers UM, Amazon

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Speaker 1: at c an eBay, and I found out how you're

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Speaker 1: searching for him. Yeah. I it's kind of a strange story.

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Speaker 1: So I was working for a different like international conservation

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Speaker 1: media outlet, and Katie now works for us. She's toil

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Speaker 1: team Yes in the trenches, plug plug the article to do. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So the article is called major online retailers acted as

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Speaker 1: black market for endangered animal parts. Great writing from Katie

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Speaker 1: and a great graphic from our own hunter Spencer. This

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Speaker 1: is Katie's first time on the podcast. Yeah, I didn't

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Speaker 1: do a good job setting out all it's covered now, thanks. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I first found out about Sigo when I was

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Speaker 1: working for a different uh conservation outlet run by a

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Speaker 1: bunch of banc guys, and I was trying to I

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Speaker 1: was building like a Twitter and Instagram profile for them

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Speaker 1: and trying to populate those profiles and C Boone and Crockett. Yeah, yeah,

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00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: trying to kind of build up the two profiles to

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Speaker 1: make them actually something you know, worth looking at. And

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Speaker 1: I found out a saiga and pretty shortly after, you know,

614
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Speaker 1: it doesn't take long to figure out that they're super

615
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Speaker 1: endangered and they have like a long history of endangerment.

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Speaker 1: They're kind of all over like the Eurasian step grasslands. Also,

617
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 1: their horns are used pretty heavily in like traditional Chinese

618
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Speaker 1: medicinal practices, and so their horns are now kind of

619
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Speaker 1: considered one of those taboo international wildlife trafficking issues. Kin

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Speaker 1: nodded knowingly when you said that, I didn't are you familiar?

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Speaker 1: Oh that was that kind of like it was like

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Speaker 1: your nod was more like a dozen surprise. Um yeah,

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Speaker 1: So my sick, twisted brain like decided that I was

624
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Speaker 1: going to see how long it would take to find

625
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Speaker 1: some online, like you know what you have to descend

626
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Speaker 1: into like the bowels of the internet to find this

627
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Speaker 1: stuff for like where would it crop up on the

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Speaker 1: Silk Road or exactly. Um, so I just fired a

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Speaker 1: simple Google search sygo horn for sale, and the first

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Speaker 1: search result came from Amazon. It was like, it was

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Speaker 1: like no freaking white exactly. Yeah, and you can imagine

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Speaker 1: what this is done to like my suggested search items

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Speaker 1: on Amazon now like so um, I it was it

634
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Speaker 1: was a lot. At first. The first natural thought was like, well,

635
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 1: there's no way these are real. And also, like made

636
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: a point in the article that they don't really look

637
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: like SiGe horns. They're like lacquered really heavily, and they're

638
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: black um and cigo horns are more of like a

639
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: camel color. So it's kind of hard to tell if

640
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: they're legit or not. But so I went to this

641
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: store on Amazon. They were one pair was about like

642
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: two thirty five and one pair is like to ten.

643
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: Katie had screen shots of all of these listings in

644
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: the article two Yeah. Then I went to the store

645
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: because I was like, well, what else is this guy selling?

646
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: It was listed to the guy was listed in Russia,

647
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: and the store was full of mounts, pelts, full body mounts,

648
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: shoulder mounts, of just a really eclectic mix of species,

649
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 1: and so I was like, well, how much of this

650
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: is legal? And so I started cross listing. I decided

651
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: I was going to like audit the whole store, and

652
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: I started cross listing the store with the site's database

653
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: the Convention for the International Trade of Endangered Species. And

654
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: as I was doing this, more and more pieces kept

655
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 1: cropping up. The store kept growing, and so I decided, like,

656
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: while you're looking at his collection is growing, not actively,

657
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: but I would like go check to me, well, because

658
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: of course I'm checking to make sure this stuff is

659
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 1: still there, but his holdings are increasing exactly like the

660
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: storage exactly exactly. So I made like a hard stop,

661
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 1: was like, all right, I'm gonna stop stalking this guy's

662
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: Amazon store on December two. And as of December two,

663
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: My why did you want to stop stalking as Amazon store?

664
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 1: Because I had, like I had to write the story

665
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: and eventually I had to, like I couldn't keeping was done. Yeah, exactly,

666
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 1: I was done waiting for him to reform UM. And

667
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: so that final audit that I did, he had a

668
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty four pieces of taxidermy from sites listed species.

669
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 1: And so I got in touch with Amazon and they

670
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: replied and gave a statement, and UM then proceeded to

671
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: pull down They said, they pulled down some of his

672
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: product and after the story published. UM, I went back

673
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: in and looked and his story that had been probably

674
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: close to like he had like four hundred listings on

675
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: the store. It was down to ten listings. So they

676
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 1: pulled down a ton of stuff. And it's hard to

677
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: tell like what they pulled down what was sold like

678
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 1: its cartoon exactly. UM. But right before we were set

679
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: to publish UM, I also decided on a whim to

680
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: go see if eBay and Etsy also had any Sigo

681
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 1: Horn for sale. Um eBay I feel like was a

682
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: dead ringer. I mean they've had issues with UM, they've

683
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: had issues with ivory trade and trying to suppress the

684
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: ivory trade on um eBay, and so I dug in

685
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: there and they had probably like thirty to forty listings

686
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: for siege Horn, and then Etc. Had maybe ten. And

687
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: so I got in touch with both of them as well,

688
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: and neither of them made statements, but Etc. Did pull

689
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: down their siege Horn listings. So so when you call

690
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: what do you call it customer service over to Amazon

691
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 1: or did you kind of like bag channel a little bit?

692
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 1: I have act channeled. They used their public relations like

693
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: their media relations contact. UM. Yeah, what other creators did

694
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: you find that they were selling parts from that they

695
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: shouldn't be. Yeah. So I found there were a lot

696
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: of birds, a lot of birds that are on like

697
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 1: the Migratory Bird Treaty act um. Give me an example,

698
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 1: there was there was an Eastern Imperial eagle, which is

699
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 1: the sight E's Appendix one species, like a fully full body. Yeah,

700
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: there's screenshots of that in the article too. Um, and

701
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: then a what was it called a white tailed eagle

702
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,760
Speaker 1: as well. Um, we're too kind of made like really

703
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: really endangered. Like the international trade of these animals is

704
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: seriously locked down. So let me let me got this

705
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: question for you, and I might I might be putting

706
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: myself in jail right now. I don't know. Man came

707
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: back World War two. He was in North Africa, and

708
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 1: he came back with this big gass dagger that has

709
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: a big ivory handle on it. Okay, I would love

710
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: to find someone that can help me figure out what

711
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 1: it is. An ivory handle and a leather sheath. It's

712
00:42:53,760 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: like a translucent leather. I have no idea. Um, if

713
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, like I died and someone did

714
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: in a state sale, Okay, all of a sudden, here's

715
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: ivory right on the market and you kind of look

716
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: and be like, I don't know, it doesn't feel um

717
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: like mal intent? Book him Dano, Book him Dan? What

718
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: does that mean? From the old Hawaii five oh show

719
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 1: when they would get somebody? Yeah, so like like if

720
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,399
Speaker 1: you see an eagle, I mean, where's the stuff coming from?

721
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, how is it not

722
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: that just whatever? Some crazy guy had some stuff and

723
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: then this guy bought it and right like do you

724
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: know that it was a guy he said like listen, man,

725
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: there's a hot market. I want you to go shoot

726
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: the eagle and we'll stuff it and sell it on

727
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 1: my website. It's hard to tell. Um. All I really

728
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:57,720
Speaker 1: can say to that is that the way that sites works. Um.

729
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 1: So if the species, like say that stuffed eagle, the

730
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 1: stuffed Eastern Imperial Eagle, Um, if that mount were created

731
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: before the Eastern Imperial Eagle was listed under sights, which

732
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,800
Speaker 1: is the seven, if those products were already in existence

733
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 1: before the listing occurred, then they are legal. So that's

734
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 1: so that's why you see a lot of like vintage

735
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: ivory products that are you know, very you know, they're

736
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: like they sell for incredible amounts of money. Really, I

737
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: think so valuable it probably is. Yeah, don't sell it

738
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: on it's a pretty healthy honk ivory on there, man. Yeah, definitely,

739
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: that's a good idea. So if it's I mean, if

740
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: it was from before, I mean I can't speak specifically

741
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: to ivory because I don't. I think there's a lot

742
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 1: of separate rules that apply. But at least with sights

743
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: listed species, if those products were already in existence before

744
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: the listing date, then they are technically That's how they're

745
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: able to sell a bunch of like pianos with ivory keys. Mmm.

746
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,240
Speaker 1: Because old stuff. Yeah, Like I when I was a musician,

747
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: I bought a piano and and it had like ivory

748
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: keys on it. Still, so like puts the ivories back

749
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: into tickling the Irish, or does exactly? So do you

750
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: have is it your what's your suspicion like on the

751
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 1: stuff that this guy was selling. Is your suspicion that

752
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: this was not stuff he picked up from some old

753
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,919
Speaker 1: estate sale, but that this was like stuff that people

754
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: were doing because they could market it. I think it

755
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: was probably the latter. I mean a lot of the

756
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:38,760
Speaker 1: species were largely endemic to Eastern Europe and Western Asia.

757
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,919
Speaker 1: And they didn't look like old like things that people

758
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: have been smoking cigarettes next to you. Some of them

759
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: really did. Some of them were disgusting, and some of

760
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 1: them looked pretty new and well done. Um. There were

761
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: a lot of like really just really crappy pelts. UM,

762
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: a lot of like it almost looks like key chains

763
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: made out of the talents off the birds. UM. I

764
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 1: don't know if you've ever seen a Siberian musk deer before,

765
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 1: but it's like a deer with fangs. About this not

766
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: in a while, but mounting. I didn't buy it though

767
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 1: on this sweet website weird it disappeared. So have you gone?

768
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:32,280
Speaker 1: Have you taken this? And? Um, have you thought about

769
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: going and trying to find some of the real dark

770
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 1: stuff like like rhino horn? Do you think that, like,

771
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 1: do you think that you'd find that it was that

772
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: easy to get the things you hear about like every day, Like,

773
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't want to do that on

774
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: my company laptop, I can tell you that I I think. So.

775
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 1: There was one website that I found in this whole

776
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: searching process that was really strange. Um. They sold like

777
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: dried apple. They were selling abalone shell Those are definitely

778
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: not I think there's some restrictions on abalone shell um

779
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: like dried ox gall bladders, like really weird stuff. And

780
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 1: they had they were selling bags of saga horns for

781
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: like fourteen point five million dollars pop. Yeah, yep, so

782
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: for a bag of them. Yeah here if I can

783
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: find these were good deals in because I saw eBay

784
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,240
Speaker 1: it was like five hundred bucks for a one pound

785
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: of saga horn. Yeah, you found one of those right now?

786
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 1: No, no no, no, that's from Katie's article. Katie, but next time,

787
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: because if you like that all that Internet sleuth and um,

788
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 1: try to find us a deal on a really huge

789
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: punt gun, like a huge punt gun. I'll take any

790
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: any requests for dark web dealing big How long? How

791
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: long have a punt gone to one? I would say

792
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 1: minimum like seven and a half feet? You know, that's

793
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: when it like catches your eye, like that's that's something good.

794
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 1: Eight foot punt gun. Someone else is gonna have to

795
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: pay for shipping on that. I'm not so are you

796
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 1: like inspired now to make um? Are you just moving

797
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: on or do you think you're going to do more

798
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: stuff in this vein? I don't know. I mean, it

799
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: was definitely interesting to see that that stuff does exist

800
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: like right under our noses on the websites that we

801
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: most of us like use frequently. Um, this is like

802
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: a the age of the age old adage of if

803
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: you see something, say something, it's so nerdy, but it's

804
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: definitely true. UM, I don't know, we'll see if I

805
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 1: if I stumble across any other strange stuff, it would

806
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 1: definitely be kind of an interesting follow up story. But

807
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: what was the statement that Amazon made? Um, they just

808
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 1: kind of reiterated their seller policy on animals and animal products,

809
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: which is that they abide by all national and international law. Um,

810
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: and they don't condone selling sits listed animal products. And

811
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 1: they sort of distance some sellers by saying something about

812
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 1: like third party sellers. Yeah, because there is yeah, they

813
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: you know, this stuff wasn't like you know, available through

814
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: Amazon Prime. This is like, yeah, exactly, they didn't sign

815
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,439
Speaker 1: off on any of this stuff. Um, they aren't willing

816
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,959
Speaker 1: to put their name next to it, which I totally understand. Um.

817
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:24,800
Speaker 1: That's that's a constant story and perspective from the tech world,

818
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: whether it's publishing, selling where you have like a platform

819
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 1: like Amazon, and people say, like why I bought it

820
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 1: on Amazon? But Amazon is also like a home for

821
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 1: third party sellers to do what they want to do,

822
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 1: meaning you could also go find um, you could go

823
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: to like wherever iTunes and find objectionable material that people

824
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 1: have posted to iTunes, and the people want to say

825
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: like well Apple, an Apple would say, We're just a publisher,

826
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 1: not our material. And it's like it seems like every

827
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: if you follow the tech industry and all of its

828
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: um trouble spot and hot spots, it often like narrows

829
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: down to places trying to where possible find some distance

830
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 1: between their platform and the people who are living on

831
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 1: their platform. Absolutely, and sometimes people buy it, and sometimes

832
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: they expect a little bit more. Well, but I mean

833
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 1: if you put it, you know, from their perspective, not

834
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: to like, you know, advocate for what they did. But um,

835
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: I mean they have millions of sellers on their platform,

836
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 1: and I mean I can't even imagine how like how

837
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 1: big a team they would need to have to like

838
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: scrape every single listing for anything prohibited you know, drugs,

839
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: animal products, people like anything along those lines. Who I

840
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: talked to a guy one time, I might screw the

841
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: stat maybe when you guys can find the stat when

842
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 1: you fast finger little fellas Um he worked at YouTube

843
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: and he was in he was part of his focus

844
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: was like keeping advertisers happy about what stuff their ads

845
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: are applied to. I think he's telling me that every

846
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: minute four hundred hours of content or uploaded to YouTube.

847
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: Can you imagine being in the office that's February, every

848
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: minute five hundred hours of content or uploaded to YouTube,

849
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 1: and he's supposed to make sure there's nothing objectionable. Yeah,

850
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 1: and that's why hence when you get your stuff flagged

851
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 1: on a social media platform, you're like, I don't really

852
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 1: get it. But because there's so much machine learning in

853
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 1: there now and it's like looking for certain markers and

854
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 1: traces and now and then it you know, obviously hits

855
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 1: something that isn't or exactly. Yeah, So I mean they

856
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: definitely skipped over this particular store. Yeah, you can put

857
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 1: up an infomercial about siga horns and probably would probably

858
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,080
Speaker 1: sit there for some number of days. There probably to

859
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: be active for some number of days where someone found it.

860
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: Katie crushing with this story. It's not often we do

861
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: stuff for him, like Vice would be jealous of this

862
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: or New York Times would be jealous of this, but

863
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: they were not often. It's not often they wouldn't come

864
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 1: to getting that house cat. I stand by my New

865
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,479
Speaker 1: York Times. New York Times probably burned up that didn't

866
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 1: get not often that they would be really jealous. They would,

867
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: in fact be jealous of this. If you want to

868
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: read it again. Major online retailers act as black market

869
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:35,359
Speaker 1: for endangered animal parts. Headline, I ask, what's the what's

870
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,359
Speaker 1: the read on that? That saucy? But it holds up?

871
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 1: It holds up. Well, we had to go through many

872
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 1: rounds about it, get pr for meat eater involved to

873
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 1: make sure that they were cool with it, and that

874
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: was where we landed. But make sure they're cool. How saucy?

875
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: That headlines sounded correct? No blowback though minor from the

876
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: from the saucy from the sauce police. Yeah, I like

877
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: that toned down at sauciness. Well, thanks should come on

878
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: next time you write an article, come tell us about it.

879
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: I would be happy to thank you. You know how

880
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 1: about you know what we could do this is you

881
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 1: could write an article on it could be something like

882
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: Steve's dad's dagger. Actually, isn't that interesting or something. You know.

883
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:28,959
Speaker 1: What I could do is I could try to sell

884
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 1: it on Amazon and see how much money. I My

885
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: first object is I want to know what off what

886
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,359
Speaker 1: ivory it was. It's a it's a big chunk, man.

887
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: I feel like you could get that figured out, though,

888
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: I mean, they must be able to use you say

889
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 1: you'll get it figured out. I'll do it. After we're

890
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: at it. I'll bring it in. I'll leave it on

891
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 1: the table here for a while. Um, whether or not

892
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 1: it's ever tasted blood, I have no idea that could

893
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: be part of the analysis. All right, Tommy, ready, yep,

894
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: I'm ready enjoying it. Okay, now I'm gonna give the background.

895
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: How I know you because when I was a little boy,

896
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 1: uh not too little, no, but you were like at

897
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: the forefront of making videos. Um, you used to. I

898
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: feel like, I don't know if I ever saw yet

899
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: one of the Trapper's conventions, but I definitely like your series,

900
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:33,359
Speaker 1: particularly the Water Trapping VHS tape. Which this what what

901
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 1: brought this whole thing out is I was just home

902
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: busy with my mom or Thanksgiving, and she doesn't like

903
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: to get rid of anything. Um, and she's got like

904
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: a display she's got you know those old police monitors

905
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,359
Speaker 1: of course. Yeah, okay, that thing was on my entire

906
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 1: growing up, the police monitor and it goes through all

907
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 1: his flashing lights and it like picks up. Oh I

908
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: turned it on, and like nothing's happening. I'm like, oh,

909
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 1: they must have changed whatever they do. But pretty soon

910
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: does a girl going into anaphylactic on my police monitor

911
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 1: and like they still use those things. No one turned

912
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 1: that thing on for for a million years regardless. Below

913
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 1: it is all the old VHS tapes and in there

914
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:15,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, holy ship, my Tom Miranda water trapping VHS tape,

915
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: which was probably the most like at the time. This

916
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 1: might be a wild statement, at the time, it had

917
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 1: to been one of the most probably the most like

918
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: widely distributed pieces of trapping media in the country. I

919
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 1: was pretty blessed back in those days. You know. It

920
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: was the right place at the right time. A lot

921
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: of big time trappers didn't like me though, because I

922
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 1: was taking all these uh secrets of the trapper and

923
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: putting them out there on video instead of bringing it

924
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 1: to your grades. Yeah, instead of actually trying to sell it,

925
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 1: uh through my catalog, I sold it to video rental stores,

926
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 1: and so guys could go in and rent it for

927
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:59,439
Speaker 1: a dollar, and I sold pens of thousands. I won't

928
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: say anymore about the sturgeon, but quite a few, quite

929
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: a few of these videos, and uh, yeah, it was great.

930
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 1: But I made trapping lures and wrote books and was

931
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: an actual trapper. Tom put it like he was trapping trappers.

932
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 1: That's right, that's exactly what it was. Well, you know,

933
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 1: you find out after a while that the fur prices fluctuate.

934
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: You know, one year, raccoons or ten dollars, next year

935
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 1: their forty dollars, and so that the year they're ten dollars,

936
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 1: you catch a hundred. In the year their forty dollars,

937
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 1: you catch ten. So you really never really get ahead

938
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 1: in the fur industry, you know what I mean. But

939
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,359
Speaker 1: in the trapping side of it. As far as for

940
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 1: the other trappers, if you were a good trapper, and

941
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 1: if you made good catches and you were legitimate, they

942
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 1: would order your books, they would order your videos. And

943
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 1: when people learned how to catch their first fox or

944
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: their first raccoon or mink, they would think, wow, you know,

945
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 1: this guy taught me how to do it, and so

946
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: they would buy your products and it basically it's like

947
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 1: how you gain fans on your meat eat or podcast.

948
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, people like listening, so they come back.

949
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 1: Same thing was that, you know back in the mid

950
00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: eighties when I did it, it was I thought it

951
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 1: was like rev illustionary because I would look at all

952
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 1: those books and I had all the books man um

953
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: like Bob gils Vic had that famous hardcover book that

954
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,839
Speaker 1: everybody in the world had. National Trappers Association put out

955
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 1: a book. But it would be that on your video

956
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 1: is also to be there'd be like it seems like

957
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 1: you just made it yourself right right there. You set

958
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 1: up a camera, you have all equipment and you'd make

959
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: Uh that was pretty much out to Yeah. I like,

960
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: I like step by step, just emulated, emulated what I saw.

961
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 1: That's good because it worked right. Yeah. I got the

962
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 1: equipment like I'll tell you last night, using a tile spade,

963
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: having big old squirt bottles for the lure, all that

964
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Man, I love that stuff. Well. In

965
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: the longlining, principle was to cover as much ground as possible.

966
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 1: It's as many sets and just keep adding new sets.

967
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 1: At the end of the day you pull the sets

968
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 1: at the beginning your trap sets that are unproductive, maybe

969
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 1: you've already caught the animals in that area or the

970
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: surplus is what we always go for. And then you

971
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 1: move down the line and you just continue to repeat

972
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: yourself to try to keep an average number of animals

973
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: per day. And the whole premise so the videos was

974
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: to cheat a quick, effective set that you could make

975
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 1: that would handle especially the water trapping of water fluctuation,

976
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 1: because when it rains, the creeks go up, and you

977
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: want to keep the trap working as as long as

978
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 1: possible so you have the maximum chance of of taking

979
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 1: an animal in that one set. And if you set

980
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 1: ten traps, if you can catch four animals out of

981
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 1: those ten traps within two days, that's a pretty good average,

982
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: especially if you're running two hundred traps or three traps,

983
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 1: and a long line trapper would run traps. I mean

984
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: at one time I had skinners that skinned my catch,

985
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: so I just ran the traps all the time and

986
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 1: then guys skinned them for mens. Yeah. Absolutely, that's how

987
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: you make money. Really absolutely. Set used to be he's

988
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: the skin for a fur buyer. Well, that's that's that's

989
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: a hard way to make money. What was it? What

990
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 1: was your deal you'd strike with your own skinners? Well,

991
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 1: you paid them by the piece, you know, you paid

992
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 1: them by the piece. But they had to do it

993
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 1: to your specs though obviously. Well yeah, I mean you

994
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: know we had we would wash the pelts, we would

995
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 1: skin them, we would dry them, and then then I'm

996
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 1: in a tumble them and you know we basically they

997
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:05,439
Speaker 1: were the spotless, best pelts they could because you're always

998
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 1: gonna get the best price for the more prime first,

999
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,439
Speaker 1: but the always the put up first. You know, there's

1000
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: some things you can control and some things you can't control.

1001
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 1: If you catch one that's half prime, you can't control that.

1002
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 1: But if you put it up right. You know, it's

1003
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 1: all about presentation. You know, I knew you, Um when

1004
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 1: I when I became aware you, I associated you very

1005
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 1: strongly with South Dakota Chamber. South Dakota. Absolutely. Yeah. I

1006
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 1: didn't realize the later. You were born in Columbus, Ohio?

1007
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 1: I was, Yeah, were you born in the good? Um?

1008
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 1: Like was it was your Were your parents into the

1009
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: outdoors and no, Um, my dad deer hunted once in

1010
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 1: a while, but he worked. He worked for Western Electric.

1011
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 1: My mom was a stay at home mom. I lived

1012
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: in the suburbs, but there was a there was a

1013
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 1: railroad track near my house and a river system that

1014
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 1: went by. It was called the Big one Nut Creek.

1015
00:59:56,200 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 1: And so, um, how I actually got into trapping isn't

1016
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 1: from any of my family. It was the next door neighbor.

1017
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 1: I saw him walking down. He was four or five

1018
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 1: years older than me. I saw him walking down the

1019
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 1: railroad tracks with a basket on his back, and I

1020
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 1: was a eleven years old. So I followed him, oh,

1021
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 1: you know, secretly to see what he was doing. And

1022
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 1: he was had the hip waiters on and he was

1023
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 1: going along the creek and he was setting muskrat and

1024
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 1: raccoon traips. Eventually, um, we talked and eventually I was

1025
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 1: carrying his pack basket and you know, doing the hard

1026
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 1: work for him and just learning. And uh, eventually he

1027
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 1: got a girlfriend and I got the trap line. Hmm.

1028
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 1: That's how it worked. Always make that fatal mistake at

1029
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: that time? Are you, um, what was your introduction to

1030
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 1: bow hunt? Well, I mean everybody was buying these recurve

1031
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 1: bows of Fred bear Back and you know, the late sixties,

1032
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 1: and you know, this was nineteen sixty nine when I

1033
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 1: started trapping, and of course I had to have one,

1034
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 1: you know, and shooting the backyard that was mostly archery.

1035
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 1: Was that kind of like was it was it then?

1036
01:00:57,760 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 1: With him and the outdoor rules that kind of like

1037
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 1: a hip thing. It was a hip thing, you know.

1038
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 1: It was a fad kind of a thing, you know

1039
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 1: back then, of course. Yeah, And he was promoting it

1040
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 1: and he was at the time, Bear was doing a

1041
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 1: lot of these videos or films that he did, and

1042
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 1: he would travel around to different gymnasiums and places where

1043
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 1: he'd play his films and talk about bow hunting. And

1044
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 1: that was the really the when when the Fred Bear

1045
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 1: company got really big and really bow hunting really took off.

1046
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 1: We're guys that were at that time when people were

1047
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 1: getting into archery, you know, it was new like like

1048
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 1: state last days didn't have dedicated archery seasons like they

1049
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: do now. Um was it? Were people into trick shooting?

1050
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:35,919
Speaker 1: Were you like training to hunt big game? At the time.

1051
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 1: I was young, so I was just enjoying the sport,

1052
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 1: you know, the field of the bow, the flight of

1053
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 1: the arrow, you know, hitting at a target. You know,

1054
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 1: I didn't never really went bow hunting until I was

1055
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 1: in my early twenties, you know, I mean because I

1056
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 1: was a trapper and trapping season is a full time job.

1057
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 1: You know. You've got to run your traps every day,

1058
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 1: you gotta stand your catch, so you really don't have

1059
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 1: a lot of time to actually hunt. How did it want?

1060
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 1: How did it want? Know? You became so entrenched in uh,

1061
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 1: South Dakota and then with that tell people about becoming

1062
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 1: a government trapper and what that all meant. Yeah. Well, um,

1063
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 1: in the early eighties, I saw an ad in the

1064
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 1: Furfish Game magazine in the back of A guy's name

1065
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 1: was Oddan Core. He lived in Miller, South Dakota, and

1066
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 1: he gave trapping lessons. And at the time I was

1067
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 1: really thirsting for information on all the animals, on all

1068
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 1: the trapping. I had never been out west and trapped.

1069
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 1: As I was thinking South Dakota. There was a book

1070
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 1: out at the time by Gerald Wheeland called Longliner Fox Trapping,

1071
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 1: longlin Er Fox Trapping, too Longliner, Kyote trapping, longline or

1072
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 1: mink trapping. So this guy was yeah, absolutely remember the name,

1073
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 1: very very accomplished trapper. Well. I ended up taking lessons

1074
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 1: from Oddon Core and Miller South Dakota. I learned a lot.

1075
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 1: I mean I learned a real lot. And the main

1076
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 1: thing I learned was that there was no secret to it.

1077
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 1: It was just all hard work. It was just repeat.

1078
01:02:57,520 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 1: You know. It's like a xerox, you know, like a

1079
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 1: copy machine. Find whatever location works, whatever set works, and

1080
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 1: whatever area works, and repeat that over and over and

1081
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 1: over and over again. And that's how you're successful. That's

1082
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 1: what he taught me. Um. Over time, I realized though

1083
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 1: that there there was not It was not gonna be

1084
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 1: I was not going to really be able to make

1085
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 1: a full good living and be as successful as a

1086
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 1: person that I could be by just being a trapper.

1087
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 1: And so UM I had heard of a possible job

1088
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 1: as a government trapper in South Dakota, and I went

1089
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 1: there and applied and I got the job. But at

1090
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 1: the time, I was making my own trapping lures, and um,

1091
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 1: I hadn't started writing books yet or any of that.

1092
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 1: But UM, I was on the cusp of starting my

1093
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 1: entrepreneurship as a trapper. So what's the job description of

1094
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 1: a government trapper? And what was the job title? Yeah,

1095
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 1: I mean I was an a d C specialist, so

1096
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 1: animal damage control specialist, for the state of South Dakota.

1097
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 1: I got a state pickup truck, I had an office,

1098
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 1: I had a secretary. They gave me a bunch of traps,

1099
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 1: and I had ten counties that I had trap in.

1100
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 1: And so anybody that called there's a skunk under your poor,

1101
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 1: to beaver dam and a culver to coyote killing your sheep,

1102
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:09,439
Speaker 1: any of that, I had to go address and ten

1103
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 1: counties in South Dakota. And they're big counties like Montana,

1104
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, it's like a big, big area.

1105
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 1: And so I was driving ten twelve hours a day

1106
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 1: answering all these questions. And that's when I decided that

1107
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 1: I was gonna learn how to fly and do this

1108
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 1: from the air. In the eighties in that area, were

1109
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:29,440
Speaker 1: you encountering any mountain lions or not? Yet? There were

1110
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 1: more out in the Black Hills, you know. I mean,

1111
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 1: we had some on some of the drainages, but we weren't.

1112
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 1: I wasn't being called in on any of those types

1113
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 1: of calls. Not where I was at the Chamberlains on

1114
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 1: the east river of the Missouri River right at ninety so. Um,

1115
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 1: it's kind of in south central South Dakota and all

1116
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 1: my counties that I was responsible for East River. We

1117
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:55,200
Speaker 1: talked about this a little bit last night. Um, someone

1118
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 1: the guy that raises sheep, he goes out and there's

1119
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 1: a dead one land there, and his mind right away

1120
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 1: is called Tom Miranda. He'll come and give me a receipt.

1121
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 1: So but literally, like your phone rings or your secretary's

1122
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 1: phone rings, that's right, And then it's up to you

1123
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 1: at some point in time over a ten county range,

1124
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:20,280
Speaker 1: go out and see what's up. Absolutely yeah, go find

1125
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 1: out if it was really animal damage? You know, did

1126
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 1: it wasn't really a cowdy? Did this thing just die

1127
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 1: in a coudy or a fox eat on it later?

1128
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 1: So you know, you're looking for throat, you know, puncture

1129
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:32,959
Speaker 1: wounds in the throat. You're looking for how this thing died?

1130
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 1: Was it drug? You know, while it was still alive,

1131
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 1: you know, et cetera. You know, what's the fence look

1132
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 1: like in the area. Does he guy have any guard dogs?

1133
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 1: You know what? What's the scenario? How many empty sweaters

1134
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 1: are in the pasture? You know, I mean you're looking

1135
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 1: for all those things. Empty sweaters is a d c

1136
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 1: lingo for dead sheep, Like a little pile of wool Tom,

1137
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 1: what would you do with the animals that you caught, Like,

1138
01:05:56,880 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 1: were you able to skin and sell them? Or um,

1139
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 1: when we took vacation, we were allowed to sell them.

1140
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 1: But I always caught and skinned my animals, and um, yeah,

1141
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 1: it made me a little bit of an enemy of

1142
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:10,120
Speaker 1: some of the people that worked in the system with me,

1143
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 1: because I was I came from the fur trapping part

1144
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 1: of it when I got the job, and to me,

1145
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 1: it was a waste if I didn't even if they

1146
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 1: were you know, Mangie or whatever not Mangie August. Yeah,

1147
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 1: you know, just because that's what I did. You have

1148
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 1: a hard time to just throw them in a distion

1149
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:27,720
Speaker 1: and you end up. But you know, I was ended

1150
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 1: up with, you know, quite a high number of animals

1151
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:31,920
Speaker 1: that I was turning into the state, and a lot

1152
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 1: of the other trappers were just leaving them lay, you know,

1153
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 1: and they're like, you know, giving me a call and saying, hey, man,

1154
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:38,560
Speaker 1: you know, like making us look bad. Let's just cool

1155
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 1: your jets on this stuff. Because I was a new guy,

1156
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 1: you know, I was a new and I was a

1157
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 1: new new guy in town. So anyways, I learned over

1158
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 1: a course of time that you know, there was a

1159
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:49,760
Speaker 1: little bit of a protocol, you know, that you needed

1160
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:51,840
Speaker 1: to do, and I just was trying to do my best,

1161
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 1: you know, like I tell everybody, you know, I'm not

1162
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 1: the best bow hunter, I'm not the best trapper, I'm

1163
01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 1: not the best writer, I'm not the best anything. But

1164
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 1: I'll outwork anybody. And that was the whole key to it.

1165
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 1: I just worked until I was successful. There's a there's

1166
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 1: a great quote by a writer. His name was like Apple,

1167
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 1: rw Apple, remember him? Heah, he has a quote were said,

1168
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 1: I can write faster than anyone can write better. I

1169
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:17,400
Speaker 1: can write faster than anyone who can write better in me,

1170
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:20,400
Speaker 1: and I can write better than anyone who can write

1171
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 1: faster in me. That's true. That's good. That's a good

1172
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 1: way to make a full circle. I grew up two

1173
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 1: hours from Chamberlain, and I feel like a lot of

1174
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 1: the ranchers and farmers that I know in that area

1175
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 1: now in if they were contacting a wildlife damage specialists,

1176
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:38,680
Speaker 1: it would be because of a bunch of geese um

1177
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 1: that are really causing havoc on their beans or corner

1178
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 1: or whatever. Did you deal with a lot of geese

1179
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 1: in your day? There I didn't. There was some concern

1180
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 1: mostly north of where I lived at the Trapper that

1181
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 1: was north in Gettysburg, North. Appear they had a little

1182
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 1: bit more of a goose problem than what we really

1183
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 1: did in my area. The as you get farther south,

1184
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 1: there's only four or five landowners that you know, really

1185
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:04,920
Speaker 1: along lin side that controlled that land that was right

1186
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 1: along the Missouri River. And there's a lot of state

1187
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 1: land along there too that like you know, public hunting

1188
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 1: land and things like that that the state didn't want

1189
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 1: controlled in any of that anyway. So yeah, we didn't

1190
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:17,639
Speaker 1: I didn't have that, But I mean we did blackbird stuff.

1191
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, we did a little bit of everything.

1192
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:21,439
Speaker 1: You know, the red wing blackbird stuff was always a

1193
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 1: hassling as a crop crop damage, Yeah yeah, yeah. We

1194
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 1: used cannons to scare of the blackbirds. Yeahs associate that

1195
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:31,040
Speaker 1: with just hanging out and cattail mars is what would

1196
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 1: get them in trouble. Just too many of them around,

1197
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 1: you know, they'd all be you know, it'd be tens

1198
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 1: of thousands and flocks you know, flying around and stuff.

1199
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 1: So but doing what to what damaging what? Well, I mean,

1200
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:42,320
Speaker 1: this just didn't want them around I guess, you know,

1201
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 1: I mean just in New Jersey this. I used to

1202
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 1: do some work for a sweet corn farmer and he

1203
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:53,479
Speaker 1: had cannons and it was blackbirds were but red wings.

1204
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:57,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. Some of these could have been starling. Yeah,

1205
01:08:57,240 --> 01:09:00,200
Speaker 1: the ones he had brons with was was Starling's. But yeah,

1206
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:01,760
Speaker 1: they just can't scare the ship out of you because

1207
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 1: you didn't. They just shoot them just to scare the birds. Yeah,

1208
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 1: they're like propane cannons. What were some of the oddball

1209
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 1: critters that you dealt with, Like, for example, the only

1210
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:14,080
Speaker 1: save cat I've ever seen in my life was around Chamberlain.

1211
01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:17,920
Speaker 1: Did you encounter any really rare stuff like that? Lots

1212
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 1: of civic cat Yeah, they're um, like a spotted skunk,

1213
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:25,120
Speaker 1: a little tiny thing, and yeah, they got everywhere in

1214
01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:28,800
Speaker 1: the addicts and under houses, and really it's a it's

1215
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 1: a unique skunk smell, you know. It's not the same

1216
01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:33,400
Speaker 1: as the striped skunk smell. It's unique. It's a little

1217
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 1: sweeter actually. Of course, when you're a trapper and you

1218
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 1: make trapp and sent you smelled like money to me,

1219
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 1: to the people that you know, to the people that

1220
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:43,800
Speaker 1: that I that had a problem with them. It was,

1221
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:45,680
Speaker 1: you know, and you had to be careful because you

1222
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 1: couldn't you know, if you scared them, they'd spray, and

1223
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:51,680
Speaker 1: I mean it didn't the sound smell lasted for a

1224
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 1: long long time. So you have an unhappy customer. It's

1225
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:58,439
Speaker 1: not a customer. But yeah, back in those days, i

1226
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 1: UM I used product called that was a Skunks Unlimited

1227
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:04,120
Speaker 1: and basically it was it was a pole with a

1228
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:06,519
Speaker 1: syringe on the end and we put acetone in the syringe.

1229
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 1: We would talk to the skunk and then press that

1230
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:11,680
Speaker 1: needle into its side and inject it with acetone. It

1231
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:16,880
Speaker 1: would just like an attic or something. Yeah, because you

1232
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:18,719
Speaker 1: couldn't really throw it, you know, you try to throw

1233
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 1: a blanket over or something and then try to carry

1234
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:23,720
Speaker 1: the live trap out with the animal. Wouldn't know, But

1235
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:25,720
Speaker 1: skunks are just some of them are quick with the

1236
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:28,720
Speaker 1: trigger finger, if you know what I mean. Yeah, for sure, Hey,

1237
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 1: what percentage of what when people calling they're like, KYO

1238
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 1: killed my sheep? What percentage were actually killed by coyotes?

1239
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:39,240
Speaker 1: I'd say when I was there and I was working

1240
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 1: at I'd say under thirty percent. I'd say maybe even

1241
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:47,200
Speaker 1: most of them died of something else. And now I'm

1242
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 1: not saying that they weren't run by coyotes, you know,

1243
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:53,519
Speaker 1: but and run into a fence or whatever, you know,

1244
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:57,880
Speaker 1: running them around, chasing them around, but actually throat marks

1245
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:02,480
Speaker 1: killed and eating normally when when there was actual predation,

1246
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:05,560
Speaker 1: it was mostly in the spring after the female it

1247
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 1: had the pups, and it was the females that we're

1248
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 1: doing the killing, not the males. Yeah, tell people about

1249
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:13,120
Speaker 1: that little system you'd use with the putting the sheep

1250
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 1: and enclosure and playing a tape and yeah, yeah, well,

1251
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 1: you know, when when we had a bone, especially in

1252
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:21,200
Speaker 1: the spring, when we had a bona fide kill, if

1253
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:23,800
Speaker 1: kyo kill, we would I would try to get the

1254
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 1: landowner to bring his sheep as close to the barn

1255
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 1: as possible, yard him up, if you will, and then

1256
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:31,839
Speaker 1: I would use a radio in the in the corral

1257
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:35,160
Speaker 1: or whatever at night to keep the coyotes from coming

1258
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:37,800
Speaker 1: in on the sheep. And then I would patrol the periphery,

1259
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:40,439
Speaker 1: the outside edge, because that's what the coyotes would do,

1260
01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:42,400
Speaker 1: and that's where I would put all my traps and sets.

1261
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:44,880
Speaker 1: It's very difficult to know if you've shot, if you've

1262
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:47,240
Speaker 1: caught or shot the right kyote. You know, how how

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01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:49,400
Speaker 1: do you know which one is the kyote that actually

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01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 1: did the damage? Um? So that's that's And so you

1265
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:55,519
Speaker 1: might catch in some areas, you might catch ten or

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01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:57,640
Speaker 1: twelve coyotes on that outside of that fence, you know,

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01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:00,719
Speaker 1: and you're just you're just figuring that one of those

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01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:03,559
Speaker 1: was probably and you know normally when you check them,

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01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 1: when you catch them, it's the female. You know, if

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01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 1: you open up her stomach and you see some wool

1271
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:11,000
Speaker 1: in there, who knows if she was raising pups in

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01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 1: a den, she gets where she gets herself in trouble. Yeah, exactly. Uh,

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01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:20,640
Speaker 1: tell these guys the story of when you went to

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01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:24,640
Speaker 1: see Jimmy Houston for career advice. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no

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01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:28,040
Speaker 1: doubt so. So yeah. Part of my claim to fame

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01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:30,720
Speaker 1: is having the TV show on ESPN for almost twenty years.

1277
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:32,760
Speaker 1: And so how it basically started was I was a

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01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 1: trapper at the time, and I was getting a lot

1279
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:37,759
Speaker 1: of animal activist calls. People were calling calling me a killer,

1280
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:40,120
Speaker 1: and the PETA group put me on the top ten

1281
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:43,880
Speaker 1: list of evil people for Wildlife because I had sold

1282
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:46,160
Speaker 1: so many of these how to trap videos. I mean,

1283
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:49,640
Speaker 1: these VHS videos were just everywhere, and so I had

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01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:51,320
Speaker 1: decided that, you know, I'm gonna do a TV show

1285
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:53,240
Speaker 1: on trapping. I mean that that's gotta be a way

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01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:55,080
Speaker 1: to get the word out that trappers are, you know,

1287
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:58,960
Speaker 1: really conservation minded and really helping the all the nesting

1288
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:00,960
Speaker 1: birds and all the thing things that we do. You know,

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01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 1: there's there's really a specific purpose for a trapper. Uh

1290
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:09,320
Speaker 1: So anyways, um, I decided to go see Jimmy Houston

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01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:12,599
Speaker 1: because he had a TV show on ESPN, and I thought,

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01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get my word out. That's where I need

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01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:16,240
Speaker 1: to be. And so I went down to Oklahoma to

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01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:18,519
Speaker 1: a sports show, stood in line wait to get Jimmy

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01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:23,080
Speaker 1: Houston's autograph. Yeah, I'm twenty two years older. You were young.

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01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:26,719
Speaker 1: I was young. Yeah, anyways, I get I get Jimmy

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01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:28,560
Speaker 1: Houston real quick. How how old were you when he

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01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:32,320
Speaker 1: did the government Yeah, yeah, twenty four. I'm I meant

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01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 1: to say, I meant to say thirty two, not twenty

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01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 1: two two. So you were you were already like big

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01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 1: time into the trapping. I was all through that. I

1302
01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:41,599
Speaker 1: was at the end of the trap and just about

1303
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:48,599
Speaker 1: thirty two. So yeah, it was Yeah, So I get

1304
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 1: out and see Jimmy Houston get in line and I

1305
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:53,000
Speaker 1: tell him and I finally get up there to sign

1306
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:55,519
Speaker 1: my hat. I said, Jimmy, I said, um, I want

1307
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 1: to do a TV show on trap And what do

1308
01:13:57,160 --> 01:13:59,240
Speaker 1: you think? You know, you're so show so popular. He goes,

1309
01:13:59,479 --> 01:14:02,120
Speaker 1: who rolls his eyes because no, he's gonna watch. He was,

1310
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:03,840
Speaker 1: You're never gonna get any sponsors for that. He goes,

1311
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 1: he will never get a network to take a trap

1312
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 1: and show. You know. He goes, that's barbaric, and all

1313
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 1: I said, no, no, no, that's the point. That's why

1314
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:10,680
Speaker 1: I want to do it. It's not barbaric. You know,

1315
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 1: we used we used traps that have gaps between the jaws.

1316
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:17,519
Speaker 1: We were conservationists. And he goes, you know, he goes,

1317
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:19,439
Speaker 1: do you do anything else in the outdoors? And I said,

1318
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:21,599
Speaker 1: I like bow hunting, you know, I like shooting bow

1319
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:24,439
Speaker 1: because there you go, because that's what you need to do.

1320
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:28,160
Speaker 1: And so that's when I decided to start, you know, actively,

1321
01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:31,040
Speaker 1: based off that, yeah, based off of that. In fact,

1322
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:33,560
Speaker 1: that same year, I went bear hunting in Saskatchewan and

1323
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:37,559
Speaker 1: made my very first uh hunting video. I was called

1324
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:42,280
Speaker 1: Big Timber Bears, a Saskatchewan bow hunting adventures. Who did

1325
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:45,639
Speaker 1: you hire to shoot it? To film it? A guy

1326
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:47,280
Speaker 1: that worked for me just went up there and filmed

1327
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 1: it for me. Yeah, so you took your like your

1328
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:54,680
Speaker 1: VHS instructional know how, and started producing what might be

1329
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:57,760
Speaker 1: more Well, did you view that like that first bear

1330
01:14:57,840 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 1: hunting thing? Did you view it as entertainment or how

1331
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:05,280
Speaker 1: too entertainment? So you like transition because the trap and

1332
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:08,800
Speaker 1: stuff is Yeah, the travistuffs meant for an audience of

1333
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 1: people that are like, I want to learn how to

1334
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:13,040
Speaker 1: do that? Yeah? Well, and I mean my TV shows

1335
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:15,400
Speaker 1: now are based around how to you know, but I

1336
01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 1: mean it's it's about an adventure. And that's what The

1337
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 1: Big Timber Bears was. I mean. And when I eventually

1338
01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:23,880
Speaker 1: did get on ESPN, and actually I was on Sports

1339
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:28,000
Speaker 1: Channel America, And when I did get on ESPN and

1340
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:30,600
Speaker 1: ninety two, the show was called Outdoor Adventure Magazine and

1341
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:33,320
Speaker 1: was hunting, fishing, and adventure, so it was a magazine

1342
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:38,439
Speaker 1: format show. And um, you know, ESPN called me the

1343
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 1: crazy bow Hunter to do anything once because I did

1344
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:44,000
Speaker 1: bungee jumping, skydiving, rock climbing. I flew many different times

1345
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:48,080
Speaker 1: of types of airplanes. Uh, but I also hunted with

1346
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:50,280
Speaker 1: a bow and I also did fishing. So it was

1347
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:53,920
Speaker 1: and we're very highly rated show for five or six years. Yeah,

1348
01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:56,759
Speaker 1: ESPN was like where you went in those years. ESPN

1349
01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 1: was where you went for outdoor program. Absolutely. It was

1350
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:02,840
Speaker 1: on Sundays right, Uh, Saturday mornings. Yeah, Saturday morning, and

1351
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 1: then eventually went to ESPN too, and that was on

1352
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:08,840
Speaker 1: Saturdays and Sundays. Yeah. When you were doing ESPN, was

1353
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 1: it UM. Were you doing a commissioned show for them

1354
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:14,520
Speaker 1: or did you have to go find all the financing

1355
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:18,000
Speaker 1: on your own through sponsors. No, it was a UM

1356
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:21,559
Speaker 1: financed by me totally. Yeah, we didn't do they didn't.

1357
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:23,680
Speaker 1: It wasn't like the History Channel and some of that

1358
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:26,080
Speaker 1: stuff that's done today. You know, we had to buy

1359
01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:28,479
Speaker 1: our air time. First, you had to get approved and

1360
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:30,240
Speaker 1: you had to be approved producer. Then they had to

1361
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:32,080
Speaker 1: have a time slot available, and then you had to

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01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 1: tie that time slot up. And they were very very

1363
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:37,720
Speaker 1: focused on ratings. Ratings were everything to them. That's how

1364
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:40,320
Speaker 1: you kept your time, you know, otherwise you you were out.

1365
01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:42,560
Speaker 1: And there were so many other shows that wanted to

1366
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:44,360
Speaker 1: be a part of that there was only eight shows

1367
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 1: on a Saturday morning. So even though it was time,

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01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:49,519
Speaker 1: even though you were buying the slot of time and

1369
01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:51,960
Speaker 1: had to and had to finance it through your own

1370
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:56,920
Speaker 1: sponsorships and advertisers, it was competitive to hold it. Absolutely. Yeah,

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01:16:57,040 --> 01:16:58,599
Speaker 1: not like it is today, you know, with the Outdoor

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01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:01,040
Speaker 1: Channel or Sportsman or whatever. You just buy a slot

1373
01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 1: and you can put anything on there. I mean they

1374
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:05,599
Speaker 1: had specific I mean we weren't even allowed to mention,

1375
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:09,800
Speaker 1: you know, Real Tree or whatever sponsor we had that

1376
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 1: we could show logos and labels, but there was no

1377
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:17,720
Speaker 1: gratuitous advertising, got it. So it was very very different landscape, man.

1378
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:19,280
Speaker 1: And you know, those shows are some of the best

1379
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:21,320
Speaker 1: outdoor shows that were ever done. If somebody ever really

1380
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 1: wanted to go back and look at, you know, what

1381
01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:24,639
Speaker 1: they had at the time. I mean, if you look

1382
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:28,280
Speaker 1: at fly Fishing the World and and uh what Walker's

1383
01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:30,880
Speaker 1: k Chronicles and some of those other shows, you know,

1384
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:33,040
Speaker 1: there was some really top end shows. I mean, they

1385
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:36,639
Speaker 1: were really the eight best shows that they're that were

1386
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 1: produced at that in that era pretty much. And there

1387
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:42,280
Speaker 1: were a few shows that cycled through. The Wayne Pearson

1388
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:45,920
Speaker 1: shows cycled through, and there's a few other guys, Charlie West,

1389
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:47,920
Speaker 1: and there's a few other shows that cycled through the

1390
01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:49,640
Speaker 1: where they were on for a season or two or three,

1391
01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 1: then they were out and new shows came in. They

1392
01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:54,200
Speaker 1: always trying to get new blood, but there was a

1393
01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:58,639
Speaker 1: staple or stable of producers that they went to and used.

1394
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:00,920
Speaker 1: And it was a very exciting time for me because

1395
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:03,960
Speaker 1: it was real. It was I mean, I I say

1396
01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:06,160
Speaker 1: that I went from little league to big league, you know,

1397
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:08,720
Speaker 1: because I basically wasn't a TV guy at all, and

1398
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:11,599
Speaker 1: within two years I was on the number one place

1399
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:13,800
Speaker 1: that you could ever be for outdoor show, you know.

1400
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:16,160
Speaker 1: And you you learned to edit your own stuff. Yeah,

1401
01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:18,880
Speaker 1: I edit my own stuff. Yeah, So it's a yeah,

1402
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:20,560
Speaker 1: I mean a trapper. I mean I'm a trapper. So

1403
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:22,680
Speaker 1: you do it all yourself, you know. You just learned that,

1404
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 1: and I knew that I would put the right about

1405
01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:28,200
Speaker 1: a work into it. Now. I hired guys to edit

1406
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:31,360
Speaker 1: other shows, and I learned a lot of computer editing

1407
01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 1: and things from them, the techniques of how to use

1408
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:35,280
Speaker 1: the computers. I mean, I edited a b roll. All

1409
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:37,439
Speaker 1: the ESPN stuff was pretty much a b roll till

1410
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:39,599
Speaker 1: maybe the last three or four years when we went

1411
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:42,840
Speaker 1: to the Avid's and the other types of nonlinear editing.

1412
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:45,160
Speaker 1: Pretty much everything was you know, on the one inch

1413
01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:48,800
Speaker 1: tape or you know digital beta cam type of stuff.

1414
01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:52,080
Speaker 1: So we were shooting on tape, editing on tape. Did

1415
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:54,360
Speaker 1: the ESPN show kill shots all the way until the

1416
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:56,640
Speaker 1: end of two dozen tend They did till the end,

1417
01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:58,720
Speaker 1: but at the very beginning they didn't. In fact that

1418
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 1: we had to cut away from the kill shots um,

1419
01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:05,280
Speaker 1: which I complained about immediately after I got on there,

1420
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:07,320
Speaker 1: which I had no credibility with them because I was

1421
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:09,680
Speaker 1: new and I had no you know, I didn't have

1422
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:13,120
Speaker 1: any poll whatsoever. But we fought it for a couple

1423
01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:15,680
Speaker 1: of years and finally they allowed me to use a

1424
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:18,040
Speaker 1: bow and show the impact if the arrow would go

1425
01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:19,880
Speaker 1: all the way through the animal. And so I started

1426
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 1: shooting eighty five pound bow. I wanted. I had to,

1427
01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:29,400
Speaker 1: because I wanted vindication. Man, I mean, you know, it's

1428
01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:31,479
Speaker 1: like you can't take the kill shot away. I mean,

1429
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:34,200
Speaker 1: that's what everybody wants to say. I always remember that

1430
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:38,240
Speaker 1: you shooting explaining in some of your videos, and I

1431
01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:40,840
Speaker 1: used to watch them that you're just shooting like super

1432
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:44,280
Speaker 1: heavy bow. I actually got found out about you in

1433
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:49,120
Speaker 1: my Christmas stocking. I got a DVD if your mom

1434
01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:52,639
Speaker 1: got which one wasn't yours? I think it was DVD, yeah,

1435
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:56,599
Speaker 1: not VHS, No, it was. It was young people these days.

1436
01:19:58,840 --> 01:20:05,080
Speaker 1: I don't remember feeling like territories wild. Yeah, so you

1437
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:07,519
Speaker 1: said used to you still should be watching my DVD

1438
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:22,559
Speaker 1: performed anymore to that point, Man, It's like super interesting

1439
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:24,800
Speaker 1: how these like two groups of folks. Know you have

1440
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:27,680
Speaker 1: like the folks that know you as you know, the

1441
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:31,040
Speaker 1: trapping how to dude, and then you have folks like

1442
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:33,840
Speaker 1: me and Chester who know you was like like a

1443
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:36,640
Speaker 1: proto Remy Warren kind of like it like just the

1444
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:40,040
Speaker 1: adventure bow Hunter you know, well I knew him as

1445
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:43,559
Speaker 1: trapper too. Did you Did you do more trapping than

1446
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:47,960
Speaker 1: I do? Man? You're better outdoors, more well rounded. The

1447
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:51,080
Speaker 1: would do you like identify like at this point as

1448
01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:54,280
Speaker 1: like you know, a a trapper who did this bow

1449
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:57,439
Speaker 1: hunting thing in order to make like his content more

1450
01:20:57,479 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 1: available for people, or do you find yourself identifying like

1451
01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:04,120
Speaker 1: a lot is like that bow Hunter? Now? Well, I

1452
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:07,479
Speaker 1: mean I identify as both only because I guess I

1453
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:11,000
Speaker 1: can um to me the reality the reality of it

1454
01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:13,320
Speaker 1: was when I was growing up as a kid. My

1455
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:16,639
Speaker 1: parents allowed me a huge latitude. When I was eleven

1456
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:18,640
Speaker 1: years old, I could go out at three thirty four

1457
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:20,400
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning and run my trap line by

1458
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:22,680
Speaker 1: myself with a pair of hip waiters down a river

1459
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:25,200
Speaker 1: that might have been flooded out from rain or snow

1460
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:28,439
Speaker 1: or whatever. And when I had homework, my mom would

1461
01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:30,439
Speaker 1: still let me skin my catch. You know, it wasn't

1462
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:32,400
Speaker 1: the home that the school wasn't as important as what

1463
01:21:32,479 --> 01:21:35,000
Speaker 1: I was learning outdoors. My parents gave me this latitude

1464
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:38,799
Speaker 1: that eventually allowed me after high school to go to Michigan.

1465
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:40,599
Speaker 1: You know, like I tell everybody, I bought my first

1466
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:43,439
Speaker 1: Jeep CJ with trapping money. I brought my first property

1467
01:21:43,479 --> 01:21:45,680
Speaker 1: with trapping money. I built my first cabin with trap

1468
01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:47,719
Speaker 1: of money. I bought my first airplane with trap of money.

1469
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:50,479
Speaker 1: That's what I was enjoying and doing. But my dad,

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01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:53,599
Speaker 1: when he raised me, he talked to me about being

1471
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:55,720
Speaker 1: always being the best. You know, you gotta make your

1472
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:57,360
Speaker 1: bed every morning. You've got to be the best that

1473
01:21:57,439 --> 01:21:59,400
Speaker 1: you can be at what you're doing. And when I switched,

1474
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:01,600
Speaker 1: it was very difficult. I was at the top of

1475
01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:03,240
Speaker 1: my game as a trapper. But when I really I

1476
01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:05,759
Speaker 1: realized that I needed to do something to keep trapping

1477
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:07,920
Speaker 1: around and I was going to have a larger audience

1478
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:10,560
Speaker 1: if I could get on TV and tell people about it.

1479
01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:13,679
Speaker 1: Even though I couldn't do a trapping show, I could

1480
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:15,800
Speaker 1: do a bow hunting show, and I could I could

1481
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:19,759
Speaker 1: promote that way for trapping and for for the industry

1482
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:22,680
Speaker 1: as well as for wildlife and conservation. And so that's

1483
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:24,760
Speaker 1: what I did, and I did it the best I could.

1484
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:26,920
Speaker 1: You never felt like you were slumming it as a

1485
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:30,840
Speaker 1: bow hunter, absolutely not, because I ran with the adventure thing.

1486
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:33,479
Speaker 1: You know. It's like it's like the what I always

1487
01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:35,439
Speaker 1: say it to everybody. It's like, I want to go hunt,

1488
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 1: go somewhere I've never been and hunt an animal I've

1489
01:22:37,479 --> 01:22:40,880
Speaker 1: never seen, except I don't want to hunt that crazy

1490
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 1: antelope you're talking about. But yeah, so that's the you know.

1491
01:22:50,439 --> 01:22:52,280
Speaker 1: So that's what I did, and so that's how the

1492
01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:55,439
Speaker 1: Super Slam all came about because I just started, you know,

1493
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:57,479
Speaker 1: one animal at a time. Of course, Chuck Adams, the

1494
01:22:57,479 --> 01:23:00,120
Speaker 1: first bow hunter to take then at the time, I'm

1495
01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:02,120
Speaker 1: North American Big Game Animals was a guest on my

1496
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:04,679
Speaker 1: show TV show on ESPN for a couple of years.

1497
01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:07,240
Speaker 1: He had a sponsor that also sponsored my show, so

1498
01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:09,080
Speaker 1: he washould come on the show. He would come on

1499
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:10,439
Speaker 1: the show, and he did tips on the show, and

1500
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:12,639
Speaker 1: I got to know him, and I can remember interviewing

1501
01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:14,400
Speaker 1: him and talking with him about some of his hunts,

1502
01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:16,360
Speaker 1: and I was like, you know, I'll never do a

1503
01:23:17,080 --> 01:23:22,680
Speaker 1: grizzly bear, you know Adams articles. Yeah, absolutely so. But

1504
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:24,720
Speaker 1: one thing led to another, and you know, you have

1505
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:26,679
Speaker 1: you know, every year you've got a quota of shows

1506
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:28,800
Speaker 1: you gotta do, and every year you'd get one, two

1507
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:30,519
Speaker 1: or three more species. And there was just a point

1508
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:33,240
Speaker 1: in time when I started looking back and thinking, wow,

1509
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:35,360
Speaker 1: you know I got you know, I got twelve. You know,

1510
01:23:35,439 --> 01:23:37,640
Speaker 1: there's there's At the time when I started, there was

1511
01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:39,560
Speaker 1: only twenty to actually go for the Slam. There was

1512
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:41,439
Speaker 1: still in twenty seven, and then there was twenty eight

1513
01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:43,679
Speaker 1: and then eventually twenty nine. Yeah, where do they add

1514
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:48,840
Speaker 1: They added the Central Canadian Bearground cariboo first, And I'd

1515
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:50,760
Speaker 1: be guessing at the date, but I think it was

1516
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:53,800
Speaker 1: it might have been in the late nineties, so that

1517
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:55,640
Speaker 1: might have been twenty eight when I started, but then

1518
01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:58,439
Speaker 1: then the last one was the Tuliel I think that

1519
01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:00,840
Speaker 1: was two thousand and eight when they added that one.

1520
01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:05,720
Speaker 1: Anymore anytime soon or do you think it's total dropping off? Unfortunately,

1521
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:09,519
Speaker 1: because like the you can't hunt the Quebec Labrador cariboo,

1522
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:13,120
Speaker 1: which is one of the five cariboo subspecies right now. Yeah,

1523
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:15,160
Speaker 1: and then you know, cariboo is cyclic by nature. But

1524
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:18,200
Speaker 1: you know, I can remember hunting in Alaska for the

1525
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:21,320
Speaker 1: barren ground cariboo and and and hunting them. Will Chatting

1526
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:23,720
Speaker 1: I heard there's four hundred thousand animals, and then will

1527
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:27,120
Speaker 1: Chatten I heard, you know there's probably not even ten

1528
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:29,000
Speaker 1: thousand animals in the will Chatten I heard. Now, I

1529
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:31,960
Speaker 1: mean it's basically disappeared. So I mean these caribou are

1530
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:35,040
Speaker 1: cyclic uh creatures, you know. And one of the things

1531
01:24:35,080 --> 01:24:36,760
Speaker 1: I would add to what we were talking about about

1532
01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:39,800
Speaker 1: the sites and sago horns and all that is, you know,

1533
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 1: I think a really good article would be about the

1534
01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:47,720
Speaker 1: political side of societies, because the reality is, um there's

1535
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:50,240
Speaker 1: a lot of political influence. If you know, there's a

1536
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:54,519
Speaker 1: lot of people that are pseudo scientists or biologists that

1537
01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:58,080
Speaker 1: have more political motives about what animals are hunted and

1538
01:24:58,120 --> 01:25:00,920
Speaker 1: one animals aren't and maybe they have political motive that

1539
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:02,960
Speaker 1: maybe no animals should be hunt And take the polar bear,

1540
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:06,320
Speaker 1: for example, in North America, there on the threatened the

1541
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:08,960
Speaker 1: lists of society. So we cannot import polar bears into

1542
01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:11,200
Speaker 1: North America to the United States, but we can hunt

1543
01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:14,360
Speaker 1: polar bears. You can go to Canada and polar bears,

1544
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:16,719
Speaker 1: but that you can't import them into the United States.

1545
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:22,200
Speaker 1: What's what that in like the in the like the Intuit,

1546
01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:25,080
Speaker 1: what's that called there? None of none of it. Yeah,

1547
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:27,360
Speaker 1: but they kind of have their own autonomous zone and

1548
01:25:27,400 --> 01:25:30,160
Speaker 1: they run wild on them. You can hunt them anywhere

1549
01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:34,639
Speaker 1: in Canada or other countries that border that have polar

1550
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:38,960
Speaker 1: bear populations, I think except Alaska, but um, you can't

1551
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:41,840
Speaker 1: import them into the US. Well, the US hunters are

1552
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:45,479
Speaker 1: the most prolific hunters and traveling and hunting. And if

1553
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:48,600
Speaker 1: you look at just the they were put on the

1554
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:50,960
Speaker 1: polar bears are put on the threatened list because of

1555
01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:55,400
Speaker 1: the supposedly global warming was thinning out the ice sheet

1556
01:25:55,439 --> 01:25:58,000
Speaker 1: and they were having less habitat because they hunt seals

1557
01:25:58,040 --> 01:26:02,760
Speaker 1: on the ice Audiana. Yeah, speculative polar bear numbers are

1558
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:06,800
Speaker 1: currently strong, but it's speculative that they'll they'll exactly, So

1559
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:09,519
Speaker 1: there's somewhat of a political motive behind it. It's not science,

1560
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:11,600
Speaker 1: you know. Now and now there's tax durmy shops that

1561
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:14,960
Speaker 1: have come out with um with imitation polar bear amounts,

1562
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:18,519
Speaker 1: you know, like a replica, so you can actually buy

1563
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:20,799
Speaker 1: a replica polar bear amounts. You can go to Canada,

1564
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:23,960
Speaker 1: shoot a polar bear and have a replica amount in

1565
01:26:24,040 --> 01:26:26,080
Speaker 1: your trophy room. Where do you leave? Where do you

1566
01:26:26,160 --> 01:26:28,800
Speaker 1: leave the bear? While you can't get it into the US, well,

1567
01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:30,400
Speaker 1: I can stay in Canada. So a lot of them

1568
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:32,200
Speaker 1: get them Tanda's rugs and give them to people. Are

1569
01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:33,640
Speaker 1: a lot of them get them mounted anyway, and they

1570
01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:35,600
Speaker 1: put them in stores or places like that. And like

1571
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:38,439
Speaker 1: someday I'm gonna come get my thing. But I don't

1572
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:40,360
Speaker 1: think it'll ever happen. That's a problem, you know. I

1573
01:26:40,360 --> 01:26:41,720
Speaker 1: don't think you'll ever be able to bring them in

1574
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:43,920
Speaker 1: if they were shot. The thing is is like when

1575
01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:45,960
Speaker 1: I shot my polar bear was the last year before

1576
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:47,640
Speaker 1: the thing went on, and I shot mine in two

1577
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:52,960
Speaker 1: thousand and seven, They with all my animals with the bow.

1578
01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:56,640
Speaker 1: So um, the thing was mine was one of the

1579
01:26:56,760 --> 01:26:58,240
Speaker 1: last ones back that I had, so I had the

1580
01:26:58,280 --> 01:27:01,519
Speaker 1: real polar bear and in my grophy room. But you know,

1581
01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:04,720
Speaker 1: it just suppresses the the amount of money that the

1582
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:07,960
Speaker 1: Intuit people's can make. I mean this, polar bears, it

1583
01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:10,720
Speaker 1: costs well, the my polar bear hunt cost twenty seven

1584
01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:13,519
Speaker 1: five hundred. It cost six thousand for the flights to go,

1585
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:15,840
Speaker 1: and then plus you're tipping your guide and you're spending

1586
01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:19,080
Speaker 1: money as you're there. I mean this, These Intuit communities

1587
01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:22,320
Speaker 1: are totally dependent on the Canadian government for money unless

1588
01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:25,280
Speaker 1: there's this influx of capital from these people that will

1589
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:27,720
Speaker 1: come and hunt or fish or pus in that. So

1590
01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:30,600
Speaker 1: you know, they've lost a lot of income over the

1591
01:27:30,680 --> 01:27:32,479
Speaker 1: fact that you know, you can't bring them back. A

1592
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:34,080
Speaker 1: lot of guys don't hunt. It's easy to get a

1593
01:27:34,120 --> 01:27:36,040
Speaker 1: polar bear. I was on a four year waiting list

1594
01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:38,120
Speaker 1: before I got to hunt mine. So there were people

1595
01:27:38,200 --> 01:27:39,560
Speaker 1: that wanted to go up there, but there still was

1596
01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:42,680
Speaker 1: limited amount of tags. Got it. I think, what are

1597
01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:46,640
Speaker 1: you talking about? The society is saying, I mean, you

1598
01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:49,920
Speaker 1: bring up valid point because you have these things like

1599
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:53,040
Speaker 1: the Endangered Species Act, right, which I've completely support and

1600
01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:56,640
Speaker 1: it's done a lot of tremendous work. Sieties done a

1601
01:27:56,680 --> 01:27:59,400
Speaker 1: lot of great work. It's like inspired by like an

1602
01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:02,680
Speaker 1: honest knee. But I do find and we report on

1603
01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:08,439
Speaker 1: it all the time. Inevitably, you have cases, um, which

1604
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:12,519
Speaker 1: in my mind weaken those structures because you have people

1605
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:16,080
Speaker 1: who learned how to manipulate them politically. Um, they want

1606
01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:18,680
Speaker 1: one thing and they talk about another thing. And so

1607
01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:22,840
Speaker 1: like we've covered endlessly here is like grizzly bardy listing,

1608
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:28,519
Speaker 1: wolf delisting right. Um, it's you had species go on

1609
01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:32,479
Speaker 1: the Endangered Species Act as threatened they hit recovery. But people,

1610
01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:36,160
Speaker 1: some people just cannot stomach the idea that someone would

1611
01:28:36,160 --> 01:28:40,400
Speaker 1: go hunt them. So they don't want to debate whether

1612
01:28:40,479 --> 01:28:45,519
Speaker 1: they've recovered. They want to debate these like obscure um

1613
01:28:46,120 --> 01:28:51,680
Speaker 1: legal issues right with And if you heard their private conversations,

1614
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:54,840
Speaker 1: no doubt their private conversations are I just don't want this.

1615
01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:56,599
Speaker 1: I don't want anybody to hunt them. I don't care

1616
01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:58,920
Speaker 1: how many there are. And they'd be saying the same

1617
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:01,000
Speaker 1: thing if there were a million of them. They're just

1618
01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:04,000
Speaker 1: never gonna like, they're not going to give up that point.

1619
01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:06,880
Speaker 1: They're never gonna say what they actually think, and they're

1620
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:09,120
Speaker 1: always gonna say something that they don't think because it

1621
01:29:09,160 --> 01:29:11,560
Speaker 1: allows them to advance what they do. And then it

1622
01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:15,800
Speaker 1: creates all Then it creates people like me, people like

1623
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:19,040
Speaker 1: you who then um wind up feeling like a little

1624
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:20,439
Speaker 1: bit like you're being sold a bill of goods. Then

1625
01:29:20,479 --> 01:29:23,080
Speaker 1: he becomes suspicious about the who damn structure, which is

1626
01:29:23,080 --> 01:29:24,920
Speaker 1: like I always try to prevent myself from falling into

1627
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:27,760
Speaker 1: the trap of being coming like suspicious of e s

1628
01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:31,000
Speaker 1: A specious suspicious of the act. I think the act

1629
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:34,760
Speaker 1: was a needed thing. I don't like it when it

1630
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:39,040
Speaker 1: gets manipulated. Absolutely, you know the thing is to me,

1631
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:42,120
Speaker 1: it's There's another prime example of what happens that people

1632
01:29:42,160 --> 01:29:45,440
Speaker 1: don't realize is that the hiding behind the science things

1633
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:47,120
Speaker 1: like in Africa, for example, I do a lot of

1634
01:29:47,160 --> 01:29:50,360
Speaker 1: hunting in Africa, have been many times to Africa. There

1635
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:54,360
Speaker 1: there are groups and organizations that do scientific research, like

1636
01:29:54,520 --> 01:29:58,200
Speaker 1: on leopards, for example, which was very nocturnal and sneaky animal,

1637
01:29:58,720 --> 01:30:01,559
Speaker 1: not very rarely seen in the wild in the daylight.

1638
01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:04,640
Speaker 1: But they'll set up trail cameras in these areas that

1639
01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:07,640
Speaker 1: are flash cameras, and once the leopards got take got

1640
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:09,880
Speaker 1: some picture taken once with a flash camera, he's never

1641
01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:14,160
Speaker 1: gonna walk by that camera ever, ever again. And so

1642
01:30:14,360 --> 01:30:16,880
Speaker 1: these people, over the course of so many months will say, well,

1643
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:19,479
Speaker 1: we only got you know, there should be in this

1644
01:30:19,720 --> 01:30:22,920
Speaker 1: area fifty leopards, but we only have pictures of three,

1645
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:25,679
Speaker 1: So the populations are really going down. We're in reality,

1646
01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:27,400
Speaker 1: these are some of the places where I hunt and

1647
01:30:27,439 --> 01:30:29,800
Speaker 1: where we hunt leopards, and we know, and we have

1648
01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:34,679
Speaker 1: pictures of hundreds of different leopards in the same area.

1649
01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:37,680
Speaker 1: But there's the science. The people, the hunters have an

1650
01:30:37,720 --> 01:30:40,160
Speaker 1: agenda to them. We have an agenda to these people.

1651
01:30:40,200 --> 01:30:41,840
Speaker 1: We have an agenda. We want to say there's more

1652
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:44,800
Speaker 1: than enough to hunt, where they want to say there's

1653
01:30:44,880 --> 01:30:46,800
Speaker 1: less than enough. So what is the real number? It's

1654
01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:49,120
Speaker 1: probably fair to say you both have a substantial bias

1655
01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:57,599
Speaker 1: muscle manals coming uh walk me through, because like following

1656
01:30:57,680 --> 01:31:01,000
Speaker 1: your career is like following UM look at your history

1657
01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:04,040
Speaker 1: of career, it's like looking at the history of media,

1658
01:31:04,920 --> 01:31:08,040
Speaker 1: you know, particularly like a focus on outdoor media, but

1659
01:31:08,160 --> 01:31:13,160
Speaker 1: just like media in general. UM. Eventually ESPN moves on

1660
01:31:13,439 --> 01:31:18,160
Speaker 1: right because the ESPN we know today, which is intensively

1661
01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:24,080
Speaker 1: professional sports, right, absolutely, So what happened to you then?

1662
01:31:24,640 --> 01:31:27,439
Speaker 1: Like how did you continue just always adapt to be

1663
01:31:27,520 --> 01:31:30,439
Speaker 1: one step ahead? You know, when ESPN was purchased by

1664
01:31:30,640 --> 01:31:34,160
Speaker 1: the Walt Disney Company, they started to change their values

1665
01:31:34,240 --> 01:31:36,479
Speaker 1: and things, and they decided at a point in time,

1666
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:39,040
Speaker 1: not that they were so much anti hunting. Maybe they were,

1667
01:31:39,160 --> 01:31:43,160
Speaker 1: maybe they weren't. I won't say either way. Um, they

1668
01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:46,720
Speaker 1: decided to go back to a sticking ball network, which

1669
01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:49,200
Speaker 1: is what they were founded on originally. So like you said,

1670
01:31:49,240 --> 01:31:52,400
Speaker 1: they went back to like a total sports network. And

1671
01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:54,240
Speaker 1: so yeah, for the guys, I mean I made it

1672
01:31:54,280 --> 01:31:56,040
Speaker 1: all the way to the very end. In fact, um,

1673
01:31:56,360 --> 01:31:58,760
Speaker 1: when they decided to break break up and take the

1674
01:31:58,880 --> 01:32:02,200
Speaker 1: Outdoors away, I had signed a five year contract and

1675
01:32:02,280 --> 01:32:04,519
Speaker 1: I still had two years left in my contract, so

1676
01:32:04,600 --> 01:32:07,720
Speaker 1: they couldn't actually get totally rid of the Outdoors. And

1677
01:32:07,800 --> 01:32:09,240
Speaker 1: there were there were three or four of us that

1678
01:32:09,400 --> 01:32:12,200
Speaker 1: had longer term agreements with the network, and they didn't

1679
01:32:12,200 --> 01:32:14,920
Speaker 1: just buy out. No, they let us run all the

1680
01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:16,599
Speaker 1: way to the end. And you know part of it too,

1681
01:32:16,760 --> 01:32:19,360
Speaker 1: was part of it too, that that that demise the

1682
01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:22,080
Speaker 1: ESPN model was the fact that soccer became more and

1683
01:32:22,160 --> 01:32:25,320
Speaker 1: more and more popular and at at seven o'clock in

1684
01:32:25,400 --> 01:32:28,559
Speaker 1: the morning in our country, it's six, or it's one

1685
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:31,479
Speaker 1: o'clock in the afternoon in London. Are over in Europe

1686
01:32:31,479 --> 01:32:33,760
Speaker 1: when the soccer games are going on. So they could

1687
01:32:33,800 --> 01:32:36,160
Speaker 1: make a lot more money on a soccer game because

1688
01:32:36,200 --> 01:32:38,400
Speaker 1: of the tennis shoe sales and the commercials and all

1689
01:32:38,439 --> 01:32:40,720
Speaker 1: the things they could do than you know, So the

1690
01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:43,160
Speaker 1: soccer games would run in the mornings instead of the

1691
01:32:43,200 --> 01:32:48,120
Speaker 1: outdoor shows. And they were trying to watch that game negative. Man,

1692
01:32:48,200 --> 01:32:51,519
Speaker 1: that's a hard game to watch on man, except when

1693
01:32:53,160 --> 01:32:56,000
Speaker 1: they need to shrink that whole area way down. And

1694
01:32:56,040 --> 01:32:58,720
Speaker 1: the other problem with watching it is how many hail

1695
01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:03,040
Speaker 1: mary's they do, Like will just start getting interesting and

1696
01:33:03,080 --> 01:33:04,680
Speaker 1: one will kick the ball away they held down the

1697
01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:06,760
Speaker 1: other end. You don't have any idea who's gonna get it.

1698
01:33:07,680 --> 01:33:11,120
Speaker 1: It's like, man, they don't. It's just they just that's

1699
01:33:11,160 --> 01:33:14,599
Speaker 1: like it's like, oh it's getting too exciting, viewers are

1700
01:33:14,680 --> 01:33:17,160
Speaker 1: paying attention. They just like kick it way back down.

1701
01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:22,880
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's great. So if anyone who works

1702
01:33:23,640 --> 01:33:26,320
Speaker 1: for the most popular sport in the world wants to

1703
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:31,639
Speaker 1: take some tips from Steve Ronella. Hey, they do listen.

1704
01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:35,200
Speaker 1: I know. I can't think of specific examples I know

1705
01:33:35,320 --> 01:33:39,400
Speaker 1: where they have changed rules to make a better viewing experience.

1706
01:33:39,479 --> 01:33:41,720
Speaker 1: Can anybody back me up on this? There's there's I

1707
01:33:42,040 --> 01:33:44,400
Speaker 1: can't think of him, but I've heard of it. That's sports,

1708
01:33:44,439 --> 01:33:48,000
Speaker 1: like the NFL or whatever. Well, football has made some changes.

1709
01:33:48,040 --> 01:33:50,160
Speaker 1: Don't change the rule to make it better, to change

1710
01:33:50,200 --> 01:33:52,320
Speaker 1: like the length for the extra kick, and then the

1711
01:33:52,360 --> 01:33:54,360
Speaker 1: stuff like that soccer, they should make a rule. You

1712
01:33:54,439 --> 01:33:57,560
Speaker 1: can't just hail marry it down to their end of

1713
01:33:57,600 --> 01:34:00,640
Speaker 1: the field right when things are getting interesting. Either that

1714
01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:02,679
Speaker 1: or tie once on behind the back of the goalie.

1715
01:34:02,720 --> 01:34:05,320
Speaker 1: That would work, tie one arm behind the back of

1716
01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:10,760
Speaker 1: the goalie. Yeah, it's that's right. Uh yeah, there's a

1717
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:15,680
Speaker 1: little side note. We'll leave that in phil um So

1718
01:34:16,320 --> 01:34:18,519
Speaker 1: when that collapsed, what but like at the same time

1719
01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:20,519
Speaker 1: that I don't want to say collapsed, but then like

1720
01:34:20,680 --> 01:34:25,160
Speaker 1: outdoor channel was like right like filled the filled the Yeah. Well,

1721
01:34:25,479 --> 01:34:27,679
Speaker 1: and at the time there was a network called Versus

1722
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:30,519
Speaker 1: you know which which eventually changed this name to I

1723
01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:33,679
Speaker 1: don't even NBC Sports. I think it was there. That's

1724
01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:35,559
Speaker 1: what I didn't know that that's what Versus didn't. Yeah,

1725
01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:38,200
Speaker 1: but did you do anything there? Oh yeah, Well what

1726
01:34:38,360 --> 01:34:41,160
Speaker 1: happened was is I had sponsors that had longer term

1727
01:34:41,200 --> 01:34:45,479
Speaker 1: agreements than my my network agreement. So that creates a

1728
01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:47,840
Speaker 1: pickle for ye, especially when you know we're doing you know,

1729
01:34:48,840 --> 01:34:51,360
Speaker 1: well ESPN that I was almos a hundred and twenty

1730
01:34:51,400 --> 01:34:53,439
Speaker 1: million households, you know, so it's like, how do you

1731
01:34:53,520 --> 01:34:57,120
Speaker 1: replace those households with the outdoor channel? You don't, you know.

1732
01:34:57,240 --> 01:35:00,439
Speaker 1: So I ended up doing a deal with Versus UM,

1733
01:35:00,920 --> 01:35:04,640
Speaker 1: which preventually became the NBC Sports Network, but UM and

1734
01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:07,559
Speaker 1: and the Sportsman Channel what was just kind of fledger,

1735
01:35:07,840 --> 01:35:10,680
Speaker 1: and I went to all myself channel. So that's what

1736
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:13,280
Speaker 1: I did. And and so I made a deal with

1737
01:35:13,560 --> 01:35:15,840
Speaker 1: Versus and a deal with the Sportsman's Channel, and I

1738
01:35:15,960 --> 01:35:18,800
Speaker 1: alternated shows. So basically, I would do all my full

1739
01:35:18,920 --> 01:35:21,160
Speaker 1: run of shows before the season, and I would start

1740
01:35:21,200 --> 01:35:23,400
Speaker 1: with show thirteen on one network and show one on

1741
01:35:23,479 --> 01:35:26,640
Speaker 1: the other network. And that's how I alternated through to

1742
01:35:26,720 --> 01:35:29,400
Speaker 1: air on two networks, because you know, that's almost taboo

1743
01:35:29,680 --> 01:35:31,519
Speaker 1: to have a show air on two networks at the

1744
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:33,920
Speaker 1: same time, you know what I mean. Huh, That's how

1745
01:35:33,960 --> 01:35:37,280
Speaker 1: I did it really Yeah, And you've been at You've

1746
01:35:37,320 --> 01:35:39,640
Speaker 1: been distributing there for a long time, you know, I was,

1747
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:41,599
Speaker 1: I was there, I was on versus I think we're

1748
01:35:41,640 --> 01:35:44,439
Speaker 1: three years and and then I switched from Sportsman to

1749
01:35:44,520 --> 01:35:47,240
Speaker 1: Outdoor and now I'm just on Outdoor. How many shows

1750
01:35:47,280 --> 01:35:50,439
Speaker 1: you make in a year, I'm down to eight right now.

1751
01:35:51,320 --> 01:35:53,800
Speaker 1: I'm the king of reruns on on on the on

1752
01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:56,240
Speaker 1: the network. I spend a lot of money producing my

1753
01:35:56,320 --> 01:35:58,559
Speaker 1: shows and places I go, you know, because I've done

1754
01:35:58,640 --> 01:36:01,080
Speaker 1: all the African Big Six with archery, tackle all that.

1755
01:36:01,160 --> 01:36:04,000
Speaker 1: I mean. IM I collect species. So I have over

1756
01:36:04,040 --> 01:36:06,800
Speaker 1: a hundred seventies some species right now with bow and

1757
01:36:06,920 --> 01:36:10,360
Speaker 1: arrow and so and all filmed and so. Yeah. So

1758
01:36:10,520 --> 01:36:12,760
Speaker 1: I'll go back a few years and pick up some

1759
01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:15,400
Speaker 1: of the older shows and maybe add a little bit

1760
01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:18,240
Speaker 1: more commentary tomb and then just rerun them and so that.

1761
01:36:18,400 --> 01:36:21,000
Speaker 1: So in first and second quarter, I'll rerun some of

1762
01:36:21,080 --> 01:36:23,320
Speaker 1: my older shows that are really cool, the better ones,

1763
01:36:23,360 --> 01:36:25,920
Speaker 1: the cream ones, and then I'll do the shows for

1764
01:36:26,040 --> 01:36:29,639
Speaker 1: the for the fall. Hundred and seventy how many years

1765
01:36:29,640 --> 01:36:33,960
Speaker 1: in your house? Uh? Over a hundred, you know. But

1766
01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:37,639
Speaker 1: I've quit mounting stuff today. I don't mount everything anymore.

1767
01:36:38,120 --> 01:36:42,400
Speaker 1: I've well, where are you gonna put them? What are

1768
01:36:42,400 --> 01:36:44,320
Speaker 1: you gonna do with them? You know, after you, after

1769
01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:51,160
Speaker 1: you die? Where they for dollar? It's it's not so

1770
01:36:51,240 --> 01:36:52,679
Speaker 1: much that I mean what I've been doing. It's something

1771
01:36:52,720 --> 01:36:54,360
Speaker 1: to going to waist anything. What I've been doing is

1772
01:36:54,360 --> 01:36:57,400
Speaker 1: a lot of the I've become popular enough and known

1773
01:36:57,560 --> 01:36:59,559
Speaker 1: enough that a lot of the outfitters are the places

1774
01:36:59,600 --> 01:37:02,920
Speaker 1: that I go hunt. Um, they would like to have them,

1775
01:37:02,960 --> 01:37:04,280
Speaker 1: and so they'll take a picture I mean with the

1776
01:37:04,280 --> 01:37:05,960
Speaker 1: animal like a hero shot, and then they'll have it

1777
01:37:06,040 --> 01:37:07,840
Speaker 1: mounted and put it in their in their lodge, and

1778
01:37:07,880 --> 01:37:11,400
Speaker 1: then they'll have my picture next there. There you go.

1779
01:37:11,960 --> 01:37:15,320
Speaker 1: It works out good. Yeah, box the new one. You

1780
01:37:15,360 --> 01:37:18,760
Speaker 1: guys are gonna get right land a jet in there

1781
01:37:19,360 --> 01:37:22,240
Speaker 1: with my my rooftop shooting range. I should keep quiet

1782
01:37:22,280 --> 01:37:26,040
Speaker 1: about that. We're gonna cut that one out. Do you

1783
01:37:28,439 --> 01:37:34,720
Speaker 1: when you're deal like, try to think how to do

1784
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:36,280
Speaker 1: you have a lot of of the one? So you

1785
01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:39,080
Speaker 1: have a hundred animals and your thing? But do you

1786
01:37:39,160 --> 01:37:41,000
Speaker 1: have a lot that are that are tucked away here

1787
01:37:41,000 --> 01:37:44,880
Speaker 1: and there that you can't bring back home for legal reasons? No?

1788
01:37:45,200 --> 01:37:47,519
Speaker 1: Not really? Oh, I mean probably in South America. You know,

1789
01:37:47,560 --> 01:37:49,080
Speaker 1: there's a lot of animals that you shoot down there

1790
01:37:49,080 --> 01:37:50,920
Speaker 1: that you just can't export, no matter what. You know,

1791
01:37:51,040 --> 01:37:53,400
Speaker 1: like copy borrow with different different types of species like that.

1792
01:37:53,680 --> 01:37:56,960
Speaker 1: You can't bring a copy borrow no, No, like a

1793
01:37:57,000 --> 01:38:00,240
Speaker 1: white lipped peckery. Can you bring a pocket home? No?

1794
01:38:00,320 --> 01:38:04,040
Speaker 1: I don't think I've hunted some of that. We're working

1795
01:38:04,120 --> 01:38:07,559
Speaker 1: on that stuff right now for the for this spring. Yeah,

1796
01:38:07,560 --> 01:38:09,519
Speaker 1: we're going from We're gonna go hunt. We're gonna go

1797
01:38:09,640 --> 01:38:14,599
Speaker 1: hunt oscillated turkeys. Yeah. Yeah, I'll become a World Slam holders.

1798
01:38:14,600 --> 01:38:15,960
Speaker 1: Good for you? Does that make you jealous? Are you

1799
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:19,040
Speaker 1: a World Slam turkey holder? I have five of the six,

1800
01:38:24,520 --> 01:38:29,479
Speaker 1: then I'm definitely not jealous. I'm gonna become a shotgun

1801
01:38:30,120 --> 01:38:33,400
Speaker 1: world Slam holder. Uh yeah. I want to bring home

1802
01:38:33,479 --> 01:38:35,800
Speaker 1: the tail fan. Oh yeah, I mean most people bring

1803
01:38:35,800 --> 01:38:37,600
Speaker 1: the whole damn thing home and get stuff that's a

1804
01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:40,160
Speaker 1: whout the tail fan. Probably the spurs probably just eat

1805
01:38:40,200 --> 01:38:42,120
Speaker 1: it right down there, probably eat it there. And then

1806
01:38:42,280 --> 01:38:44,400
Speaker 1: I want, how's it looking. You're you're looking into that

1807
01:38:44,439 --> 01:38:47,840
Speaker 1: bringing that tail fan home? Tail fans looking good? Some

1808
01:38:47,960 --> 01:38:52,920
Speaker 1: other complications with getting guns down there, though, well, because

1809
01:38:52,920 --> 01:38:55,320
Speaker 1: you didn't get on it quick enough. No, no, no,

1810
01:38:57,400 --> 01:39:01,320
Speaker 1: it's not definitely, that's not true. It's the it's money,

1811
01:39:02,120 --> 01:39:06,679
Speaker 1: it's expensive, different than going to hunt COO's dear in Sonora.

1812
01:39:07,800 --> 01:39:10,479
Speaker 1: From what I'm finding out, it's really hard to get

1813
01:39:10,520 --> 01:39:13,200
Speaker 1: information on it. Steve, I just had to use their

1814
01:39:13,200 --> 01:39:16,639
Speaker 1: shotguns down there. Yeah, because it's just a different anyways,

1815
01:39:16,680 --> 01:39:18,760
Speaker 1: it's a different area from where you guys go cuts

1816
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:20,960
Speaker 1: back on the headaches just to use their shot Absolutely,

1817
01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:24,200
Speaker 1: when's the last time you killed a big game critter

1818
01:39:24,479 --> 01:39:27,320
Speaker 1: with a gun. Oh that's a great question. Thank you.

1819
01:39:28,400 --> 01:39:31,400
Speaker 1: I'm shot. I'm well, I'm trying. I mean, I guess

1820
01:39:31,479 --> 01:39:34,040
Speaker 1: people wouldn't consider coyotes. Um, you know, because I did

1821
01:39:34,040 --> 01:39:36,400
Speaker 1: a lot of hunting for coyotes. But I used to

1822
01:39:36,479 --> 01:39:39,920
Speaker 1: host a show on ESPN called Cabella's Sportsman's Quest, and

1823
01:39:40,040 --> 01:39:44,400
Speaker 1: the first year that had air, Um, they wanted me

1824
01:39:44,520 --> 01:39:46,960
Speaker 1: that we had sponsors that wanted me to use a gun,

1825
01:39:47,320 --> 01:39:50,280
Speaker 1: and so I shot three species on that show. I

1826
01:39:50,320 --> 01:39:54,760
Speaker 1: think I thought I shot a elk, uh mule deer

1827
01:39:54,960 --> 01:39:59,320
Speaker 1: and uh pronghorn with a rifle. And then the next no,

1828
01:39:59,439 --> 01:40:00,920
Speaker 1: I told him I didn't want to do it. Anymore

1829
01:40:01,080 --> 01:40:03,560
Speaker 1: that I just like, just you know, it's not that

1830
01:40:03,640 --> 01:40:05,280
Speaker 1: I'm against gun hunting. I'm not. It was just not

1831
01:40:05,560 --> 01:40:08,080
Speaker 1: my wheelhouse, you know. I like the bow hunting. I

1832
01:40:08,200 --> 01:40:10,840
Speaker 1: like to be known as the bow hunter, and just

1833
01:40:11,040 --> 01:40:13,120
Speaker 1: it was too easy. I mean, you know, for lack

1834
01:40:13,160 --> 01:40:14,960
Speaker 1: of a better way of putting it, you know, it's

1835
01:40:16,040 --> 01:40:20,720
Speaker 1: that's not offensive to me. That's a good thing. I

1836
01:40:20,720 --> 01:40:24,000
Speaker 1: don't want to get kicked out before the things. Yeah,

1837
01:40:24,080 --> 01:40:26,040
Speaker 1: we still got do we still got do the trivia episode.

1838
01:40:26,640 --> 01:40:29,160
Speaker 1: But so you just like it's just you like that

1839
01:40:29,840 --> 01:40:34,200
Speaker 1: like up close, difficult, heart pounding kind of. I think

1840
01:40:34,479 --> 01:40:36,400
Speaker 1: bow hunting is a conscious decision to make the hunt

1841
01:40:36,439 --> 01:40:37,720
Speaker 1: harder than it needs to be. You know, at two

1842
01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:40,040
Speaker 1: hundred yards, a guy can shoot the you know or farther.

1843
01:40:40,120 --> 01:40:42,560
Speaker 1: A lot of people have got these yard shots, but

1844
01:40:42,640 --> 01:40:44,839
Speaker 1: I mean a two hundred yards is when my stock begins,

1845
01:40:45,040 --> 01:40:46,960
Speaker 1: you know, and I need and I'm not the best,

1846
01:40:47,000 --> 01:40:49,760
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not a Randy Homer or someone who

1847
01:40:49,800 --> 01:40:51,439
Speaker 1: can shoot a whole out of a life saver at

1848
01:40:51,520 --> 01:40:54,439
Speaker 1: hundred yards, you know, Cameron Haynes somebody like that. You know,

1849
01:40:54,600 --> 01:40:57,840
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm losing my eyesight as quick as you

1850
01:40:57,920 --> 01:41:00,400
Speaker 1: are from what I hear with with all that, with

1851
01:41:00,479 --> 01:41:06,599
Speaker 1: all that, like that, with that archery, the Super Slam. Yeah,

1852
01:41:06,640 --> 01:41:08,599
Speaker 1: what was your average shot distance? If you had to guess,

1853
01:41:11,080 --> 01:41:13,400
Speaker 1: you should have lost you just like you get in there. Yeah,

1854
01:41:13,840 --> 01:41:18,439
Speaker 1: I don't like what's loot is a long shot for me? Yeah,

1855
01:41:18,800 --> 01:41:23,920
Speaker 1: and I and that's still a poke though, man, that's

1856
01:41:23,920 --> 01:41:27,320
Speaker 1: a poke. Yeah yeah yeah yeah, And the and that

1857
01:41:27,439 --> 01:41:29,080
Speaker 1: those are shot. You know, when I started doing more

1858
01:41:29,120 --> 01:41:31,720
Speaker 1: international hunting and more mountain hunting, you know, going after

1859
01:41:31,800 --> 01:41:33,280
Speaker 1: the sheep and goats and stuff like that, you've got

1860
01:41:33,360 --> 01:41:35,160
Speaker 1: to be able to make a longer shot or it's

1861
01:41:35,160 --> 01:41:37,920
Speaker 1: just you know, especially filming it. But you know, I

1862
01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:40,560
Speaker 1: mean the method to my madness was everything had to

1863
01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:42,280
Speaker 1: be on camera. I mean, that was the claim to

1864
01:41:42,360 --> 01:41:45,679
Speaker 1: fame for me. I mean, I'm the seventeenth archery Super slammer,

1865
01:41:46,160 --> 01:41:48,479
Speaker 1: So I'm the seventeenth guy to complete the archery Super

1866
01:41:48,520 --> 01:41:50,519
Speaker 1: Slam with a bow and arrow of course of its archery,

1867
01:41:50,600 --> 01:41:53,439
Speaker 1: but I'm the only guy to have all the kills

1868
01:41:53,479 --> 01:41:56,479
Speaker 1: on video. So I filmed all the hunts and so

1869
01:41:56,920 --> 01:42:00,400
Speaker 1: my my DVD set, the Super The Venture Bow Hunter

1870
01:42:00,439 --> 01:42:03,280
Speaker 1: SuperSlam has all twenty nine Arrow Impacts on it. It's

1871
01:42:03,280 --> 01:42:06,000
Speaker 1: a three DVD set that has all the stories behind

1872
01:42:06,080 --> 01:42:08,000
Speaker 1: all the twenty nine I had to go. Where do

1873
01:42:08,120 --> 01:42:10,559
Speaker 1: people find that? You can get it on my website

1874
01:42:10,600 --> 01:42:12,280
Speaker 1: at tom Randit dot com. But I mean it's sold

1875
01:42:12,320 --> 01:42:14,120
Speaker 1: at a lot of different stores as Cabell has sold

1876
01:42:14,160 --> 01:42:16,120
Speaker 1: it for ten years. I don't think they carry it now,

1877
01:42:16,240 --> 01:42:18,800
Speaker 1: but it's because it's an older it was made. I

1878
01:42:18,880 --> 01:42:21,519
Speaker 1: finished the Slam in two thousand and eleven and the

1879
01:42:21,680 --> 01:42:25,000
Speaker 1: the DVD came out soon after that. What's that one called.

1880
01:42:25,800 --> 01:42:28,760
Speaker 1: It's called Adventure bow Hunter SuperSlam tom My Quest of

1881
01:42:28,800 --> 01:42:30,679
Speaker 1: the Super Slam in Northern But it's all bundled together.

1882
01:42:30,720 --> 01:42:33,000
Speaker 1: It's all bundled together. Yeah, it's all three and one set.

1883
01:42:33,080 --> 01:42:35,920
Speaker 1: In fact, I have I also have Adventure bow Hunter

1884
01:42:36,040 --> 01:42:39,920
Speaker 1: Dark Continent, which is the African Slam thirty four species hunted,

1885
01:42:40,080 --> 01:42:45,200
Speaker 1: including the African Big Six which is elephant, hippo, ryano, cape, buffalo, lion,

1886
01:42:45,280 --> 01:42:48,040
Speaker 1: and leopard, plus all the other planes game. And then

1887
01:42:48,080 --> 01:42:50,519
Speaker 1: I have another one called World Hunts has forty four

1888
01:42:50,600 --> 01:42:53,160
Speaker 1: hunts on it, Narrow impacts of a lot of different

1889
01:42:53,240 --> 01:42:56,080
Speaker 1: kinds of sheep and species and whatnot. I need two

1890
01:42:56,120 --> 01:42:59,920
Speaker 1: more animals to finish scis conservation and hunting a war.

1891
01:43:00,000 --> 01:43:02,120
Speaker 1: It's the highest achievement that you can get in bow hunting.

1892
01:43:02,280 --> 01:43:04,840
Speaker 1: What are you missing? I believe it or not. I

1893
01:43:05,000 --> 01:43:06,960
Speaker 1: turned in all my animals thinking that I was going

1894
01:43:07,000 --> 01:43:08,880
Speaker 1: to get it um a year and a half two

1895
01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:12,000
Speaker 1: years ago, and the SCI came back to me and said,

1896
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:15,040
Speaker 1: where's your introduced animals in North America category? And I'm like,

1897
01:43:15,400 --> 01:43:17,560
Speaker 1: introduced animals in North America? What are you kidding me?

1898
01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:20,280
Speaker 1: And if they go, you have to shoot eighteen species

1899
01:43:20,320 --> 01:43:24,000
Speaker 1: in the US that were introduced, and so I need to.

1900
01:43:24,240 --> 01:43:28,360
Speaker 1: I have two left to shoot, Like there's a whole

1901
01:43:28,439 --> 01:43:31,720
Speaker 1: list that you can shoot, and there's two I'm gonna shoot. Um,

1902
01:43:32,160 --> 01:43:33,960
Speaker 1: I think the last two. I think I'm gonna shoot

1903
01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:37,920
Speaker 1: a scimitar or X and maybe a Psycha deer. I

1904
01:43:38,000 --> 01:43:39,800
Speaker 1: think those would be two cool ones to have to

1905
01:43:39,880 --> 01:43:43,000
Speaker 1: be like the Maryland ones. Yeah, yeah, I got Yeah,

1906
01:43:43,240 --> 01:43:45,080
Speaker 1: I got a few of those with a muzzle loader.

1907
01:43:45,200 --> 01:43:49,479
Speaker 1: There you go, I missed them with my bow. Uh

1908
01:43:50,320 --> 01:43:52,080
Speaker 1: so you have you done like a like Neil guy?

1909
01:43:52,280 --> 01:43:55,080
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, That's what I've been doing.

1910
01:43:55,120 --> 01:43:57,519
Speaker 1: Those kind of huts, and I got many introduced big

1911
01:43:57,560 --> 01:44:00,400
Speaker 1: game animals they say are in the US. I think

1912
01:44:00,439 --> 01:44:03,040
Speaker 1: there's forty some on their list, but as a bow

1913
01:44:03,120 --> 01:44:06,519
Speaker 1: hunter only have to take eighteen. So yeah, ow man,

1914
01:44:06,800 --> 01:44:09,760
Speaker 1: the counting a lot of counting, well, and it's a

1915
01:44:09,800 --> 01:44:11,640
Speaker 1: lot of Yeah, it's a lot of chick in the

1916
01:44:11,720 --> 01:44:13,439
Speaker 1: boxes to do those things. I mean the s c

1917
01:44:13,600 --> 01:44:17,200
Speaker 1: I Award platform. When I finished my twenty nine, uh,

1918
01:44:17,439 --> 01:44:20,519
Speaker 1: the Super Slam, the North American ones, you wonder, well,

1919
01:44:20,560 --> 01:44:22,280
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? Now? You know what what's

1920
01:44:22,360 --> 01:44:25,160
Speaker 1: the next on your agenda? And you know I had

1921
01:44:25,360 --> 01:44:28,200
Speaker 1: the SEI people. They called me and they said, um,

1922
01:44:28,360 --> 01:44:30,679
Speaker 1: we have four people that have completed the World Hunting

1923
01:44:30,720 --> 01:44:33,720
Speaker 1: Award ring with a bow. Um, we think you could

1924
01:44:33,720 --> 01:44:35,559
Speaker 1: be number five if we can come and measure your

1925
01:44:35,600 --> 01:44:37,160
Speaker 1: trophy room. Now I was a life member of s

1926
01:44:37,200 --> 01:44:39,600
Speaker 1: c I, but I had never scored. Anybody measure the

1927
01:44:39,640 --> 01:44:41,959
Speaker 1: trophy room. They want to come in and count my species,

1928
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:44,680
Speaker 1: see what I got, you know, So they came. Two

1929
01:44:44,760 --> 01:44:47,320
Speaker 1: guys came from Tucson, spent two days in my trophy

1930
01:44:47,400 --> 01:44:50,840
Speaker 1: room on scaffolding, measuring animals that I had, looking at

1931
01:44:50,920 --> 01:44:54,600
Speaker 1: photos and we basically chronicled the animals I had, and

1932
01:44:54,720 --> 01:44:57,720
Speaker 1: they went back to Tucson and called me a few

1933
01:44:57,760 --> 01:45:00,040
Speaker 1: weeks later and said, you need thirty six speci. She

1934
01:45:00,120 --> 01:45:02,200
Speaker 1: used to finish the World Hunting Award Ring, and that

1935
01:45:02,360 --> 01:45:04,360
Speaker 1: was my next goal. It's like, okay, I'm gonna go

1936
01:45:04,479 --> 01:45:07,000
Speaker 1: for the World Hunting Award Ring. It took me, and

1937
01:45:07,160 --> 01:45:09,400
Speaker 1: it took me three years a little over three years

1938
01:45:09,439 --> 01:45:11,040
Speaker 1: to get it. In two thousand and sixteen, I got

1939
01:45:11,080 --> 01:45:12,599
Speaker 1: the World Hunting a Ward Ring. I'm the fifth guy

1940
01:45:12,680 --> 01:45:14,599
Speaker 1: to ever get it, and I have all my kills

1941
01:45:14,640 --> 01:45:17,320
Speaker 1: on video. Let's say you weren't. There's nothing left to chip, like,

1942
01:45:17,400 --> 01:45:22,479
Speaker 1: there's no sort of like outside validation stuff left right,

1943
01:45:22,680 --> 01:45:26,680
Speaker 1: there's no more lists or everyone on the planet dies whatever, Um,

1944
01:45:27,200 --> 01:45:29,640
Speaker 1: what would you want to hunt for? Then? Like like

1945
01:45:29,760 --> 01:45:32,000
Speaker 1: what like what do you like besides this sort of

1946
01:45:32,040 --> 01:45:34,120
Speaker 1: like getting a certification of some sort of like what

1947
01:45:34,400 --> 01:45:38,280
Speaker 1: what what is fun to you or what's worthwhile to you?

1948
01:45:38,840 --> 01:45:41,519
Speaker 1: I think once you've shot everything that you feel like

1949
01:45:41,600 --> 01:45:44,519
Speaker 1: you can you know that that that goal for me

1950
01:45:44,680 --> 01:45:46,559
Speaker 1: of you know, going somewhere I've never been and hunting

1951
01:45:46,560 --> 01:45:48,920
Speaker 1: an animal I've never seen. I think once I've completed

1952
01:45:49,000 --> 01:45:51,839
Speaker 1: that list, it's just gonna go back to the basics.

1953
01:45:51,880 --> 01:45:53,599
Speaker 1: So I'll be white tail hunting, you know. I mean

1954
01:45:53,720 --> 01:45:56,320
Speaker 1: that's in everybody's backyard. It's something to do, you know,

1955
01:45:56,439 --> 01:45:59,439
Speaker 1: and it's fun and white hole on. White tails are

1956
01:45:59,640 --> 01:46:02,720
Speaker 1: some way some of the harder animals to get. I mean,

1957
01:46:02,800 --> 01:46:04,679
Speaker 1: you can look at all the other species that they're

1958
01:46:04,720 --> 01:46:07,280
Speaker 1: out there, and a five and a half year old

1959
01:46:07,280 --> 01:46:09,920
Speaker 1: white tail is not an easy customer, you know, I

1960
01:46:09,960 --> 01:46:18,760
Speaker 1: mean even from a global respective perspectively. So true. Is

1961
01:46:18,800 --> 01:46:20,880
Speaker 1: there any kind of archery small game thing that you're

1962
01:46:20,920 --> 01:46:24,760
Speaker 1: into and there hasn't been because there hasn't really been

1963
01:46:24,800 --> 01:46:26,880
Speaker 1: any platform for it, you know, like going out and

1964
01:46:26,920 --> 01:46:28,640
Speaker 1: shooting rabbits or something. I mean, guys do a lot

1965
01:46:28,680 --> 01:46:30,320
Speaker 1: of that kind of stuff for fun, and there's a

1966
01:46:30,360 --> 01:46:32,080
Speaker 1: lot of different places. I mean, like if you go

1967
01:46:32,160 --> 01:46:34,080
Speaker 1: to New Zealand, for example, they have a list of

1968
01:46:34,120 --> 01:46:36,240
Speaker 1: about twenty different animals that you can hut down there,

1969
01:46:36,280 --> 01:46:39,080
Speaker 1: and they include a lot of the smaller stuff possums

1970
01:46:39,120 --> 01:46:42,680
Speaker 1: and you know, rabbits and stuff like that. Um. But

1971
01:46:42,960 --> 01:46:46,240
Speaker 1: for me, I it's it's been a business for me,

1972
01:46:46,680 --> 01:46:48,080
Speaker 1: you know. I think that's one of the reasons that

1973
01:46:48,160 --> 01:46:50,160
Speaker 1: my kids never really got involved, even though I took

1974
01:46:50,240 --> 01:46:53,240
Speaker 1: them on trips. I always had cameraman with me. We

1975
01:46:53,320 --> 01:46:56,200
Speaker 1: were always producing. Were always had to get the kill shot,

1976
01:46:56,280 --> 01:46:57,960
Speaker 1: you know, I had to get the hunting shot on videos.

1977
01:46:58,080 --> 01:47:00,519
Speaker 1: So it was more of a business for me. And

1978
01:47:01,280 --> 01:47:04,800
Speaker 1: so my hunting, especially my bow hunting, has never really

1979
01:47:04,920 --> 01:47:07,680
Speaker 1: been a sport that I took up and enjoyed and

1980
01:47:07,800 --> 01:47:11,519
Speaker 1: went out and hunted. It's always been a business. It's

1981
01:47:11,560 --> 01:47:13,200
Speaker 1: something that I had. I had to go out and

1982
01:47:13,280 --> 01:47:15,320
Speaker 1: I had to make a show about it. So you

1983
01:47:15,400 --> 01:47:18,560
Speaker 1: don't do like you don't you don't just go hunting. No,

1984
01:47:19,720 --> 01:47:22,760
Speaker 1: really that crazy. But I but I collect books. You

1985
01:47:22,800 --> 01:47:24,639
Speaker 1: know a lot of people think that's, oh my gosh,

1986
01:47:24,720 --> 01:47:27,759
Speaker 1: this guy's a nerd, you know, but it's it's like hunting.

1987
01:47:28,280 --> 01:47:30,120
Speaker 1: Try to find some of these old pirate books in

1988
01:47:30,200 --> 01:47:32,519
Speaker 1: the castle in London, you know what I mean. So

1989
01:47:32,680 --> 01:47:34,519
Speaker 1: it's like hunting to find some of this stuff and

1990
01:47:34,600 --> 01:47:36,760
Speaker 1: it you know, and it's a it's another obsession, you know,

1991
01:47:37,240 --> 01:47:40,360
Speaker 1: I mean, hunting for me, um has been in a

1992
01:47:40,600 --> 01:47:42,320
Speaker 1: bow hunting has been an obsession, you know, It's been

1993
01:47:42,320 --> 01:47:44,400
Speaker 1: an obsession to find a new species, find a new

1994
01:47:44,439 --> 01:47:45,960
Speaker 1: place to go, get it. A lot of people. If

1995
01:47:45,960 --> 01:47:48,679
Speaker 1: there's any people that really complain about, you know, Tom

1996
01:47:48,800 --> 01:47:50,360
Speaker 1: Rando this and Tom Rando that, it's the fact that

1997
01:47:50,400 --> 01:47:52,320
Speaker 1: I don't do a lot of self guided stuff, you know,

1998
01:47:52,360 --> 01:47:55,000
Speaker 1: I don't do a lot of of you know that

1999
01:47:55,200 --> 01:47:57,280
Speaker 1: type of hunting. And it's like, well, he could never

2000
01:47:57,320 --> 01:47:58,880
Speaker 1: shoot anything if he didn't have a guide with him,

2001
01:47:58,920 --> 01:48:01,320
Speaker 1: and that all the time, that criticism staying at all

2002
01:48:01,360 --> 01:48:03,920
Speaker 1: or don't you care? Well, you know, it's what it

2003
01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:06,160
Speaker 1: stings for me because I'm a trapper, you know, and

2004
01:48:06,240 --> 01:48:08,120
Speaker 1: I know exactly how to do all of it. But

2005
01:48:08,200 --> 01:48:10,479
Speaker 1: when you're trying to make a show, how can I

2006
01:48:10,640 --> 01:48:13,040
Speaker 1: go to Oregon and hunt blacktail deer? Thinking I know

2007
01:48:13,160 --> 01:48:14,920
Speaker 1: it all? I live in Florida. Do I know everything

2008
01:48:14,920 --> 01:48:17,160
Speaker 1: about blacktail? No? But when I'm doing a TV show

2009
01:48:17,160 --> 01:48:19,400
Speaker 1: about it, if I've got a good guide, a good outfit,

2010
01:48:19,479 --> 01:48:21,320
Speaker 1: or who can talk to me, I can learn from

2011
01:48:21,439 --> 01:48:23,479
Speaker 1: him and my audience can learn from him. And so

2012
01:48:23,800 --> 01:48:26,320
Speaker 1: that's how my shows are set up. I traveled to

2013
01:48:26,400 --> 01:48:29,559
Speaker 1: this new place. I'm gonna hunt this black Columbia blacktail deer.

2014
01:48:29,760 --> 01:48:31,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna learn all about them in video, as many

2015
01:48:31,760 --> 01:48:33,640
Speaker 1: of them as I can and get one with a

2016
01:48:33,680 --> 01:48:36,479
Speaker 1: bow on video. And that's the premise of my shows.

2017
01:48:37,040 --> 01:48:40,400
Speaker 1: And so that's the business side of it, and that's

2018
01:48:40,439 --> 01:48:42,280
Speaker 1: why the shows. That's and I spend a lot of

2019
01:48:42,360 --> 01:48:44,400
Speaker 1: time and effort putting those shows together so that when

2020
01:48:44,600 --> 01:48:46,320
Speaker 1: people will watch him again. I mean, look how many

2021
01:48:46,360 --> 01:48:49,000
Speaker 1: times Duck Dynasty reruns, you know. So a lot of

2022
01:48:49,080 --> 01:48:52,360
Speaker 1: my shows replay and um and my ratings stay great

2023
01:48:52,400 --> 01:48:55,400
Speaker 1: and then and the networks are happy. So and I

2024
01:48:55,560 --> 01:48:57,720
Speaker 1: enjoy doing it still, which is a good thing. I think.

2025
01:48:57,800 --> 01:48:59,280
Speaker 1: You know, I've made my money at the end of

2026
01:48:59,280 --> 01:49:00,680
Speaker 1: the day. If I just I didn't want to do

2027
01:49:00,720 --> 01:49:03,000
Speaker 1: it anymore. Like quit, do you feel like you're removed

2028
01:49:03,040 --> 01:49:06,040
Speaker 1: from the experience because you feel like it's the business

2029
01:49:06,120 --> 01:49:09,479
Speaker 1: of it. It comes back to my my father and

2030
01:49:09,840 --> 01:49:11,600
Speaker 1: what he taught me about work, you know, and that

2031
01:49:11,760 --> 01:49:13,680
Speaker 1: it's the work ethic side of it. I enjoy it

2032
01:49:13,800 --> 01:49:15,960
Speaker 1: for the work ethic part of it. You know, you'd

2033
01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:17,880
Speaker 1: like to work. I like to work. I mean a

2034
01:49:17,920 --> 01:49:21,400
Speaker 1: workaholic for sure, and that's why I take on way

2035
01:49:21,439 --> 01:49:23,680
Speaker 1: too much more work than That's why I edit my

2036
01:49:23,760 --> 01:49:25,680
Speaker 1: own show. I mean, for havin sakes, I could turn

2037
01:49:25,680 --> 01:49:28,360
Speaker 1: it over to somebody else to do it, but I don't.

2038
01:49:28,560 --> 01:49:31,040
Speaker 1: They might do a better technical job than I would,

2039
01:49:31,080 --> 01:49:33,400
Speaker 1: but they won't tell a better story. And my my

2040
01:49:33,640 --> 01:49:35,719
Speaker 1: job is to connect with the audience of the story.

2041
01:49:36,120 --> 01:49:38,000
Speaker 1: So that's why I do it myself. How the hell

2042
01:49:38,080 --> 01:49:44,439
Speaker 1: did you um uh like, why rare books? I got

2043
01:49:44,479 --> 01:49:46,840
Speaker 1: to realize you had some you know, I got to

2044
01:49:46,960 --> 01:49:48,920
Speaker 1: you know, I was doing the Outdoor Adventure magazine show.

2045
01:49:49,040 --> 01:49:51,280
Speaker 1: I got to dive, do some shipwreck diving and some

2046
01:49:51,360 --> 01:49:53,400
Speaker 1: different things. I did a lot of different scuba divings

2047
01:49:53,439 --> 01:49:55,960
Speaker 1: and tri mix and you know, all these different types

2048
01:49:56,000 --> 01:49:58,360
Speaker 1: of diving, and I got to dive some Spanish galleons

2049
01:49:58,400 --> 01:50:00,599
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and so like got like really

2050
01:50:00,680 --> 01:50:03,599
Speaker 1: interested in this stuff, like these old ships and cannons

2051
01:50:03,640 --> 01:50:06,000
Speaker 1: on the bottom of the reef, and so I started

2052
01:50:06,040 --> 01:50:10,519
Speaker 1: looking for books about treasure salvage and treasure hunting, and like,

2053
01:50:10,640 --> 01:50:12,080
Speaker 1: you know, I live in Florida. You know, we've got

2054
01:50:12,120 --> 01:50:14,880
Speaker 1: the Treasure Coast, and you know, and pirates. You know,

2055
01:50:14,960 --> 01:50:17,760
Speaker 1: there's islands nearby where I live in Florida that we're

2056
01:50:17,800 --> 01:50:20,360
Speaker 1: thought to have been, you know, homes to pirates. And

2057
01:50:20,439 --> 01:50:21,880
Speaker 1: so there was one thing that led to another, and

2058
01:50:21,880 --> 01:50:24,360
Speaker 1: eventually I did get more and more and more into

2059
01:50:24,360 --> 01:50:26,080
Speaker 1: the pirate books, and then I started finding out that

2060
01:50:26,120 --> 01:50:28,760
Speaker 1: there were old manuscripts and old books about pirates from

2061
01:50:28,800 --> 01:50:31,720
Speaker 1: way back, and so I started looking for some of those.

2062
01:50:31,880 --> 01:50:35,560
Speaker 1: And when you find them, and an old book is

2063
01:50:35,640 --> 01:50:38,720
Speaker 1: super cool because you can smell, you can smell the

2064
01:50:38,840 --> 01:50:41,040
Speaker 1: dampness in the pages, you know, and you can see,

2065
01:50:41,560 --> 01:50:44,040
Speaker 1: you can see how you know, just how the cover

2066
01:50:44,280 --> 01:50:46,640
Speaker 1: is and the you know, the leather bindings of it,

2067
01:50:46,760 --> 01:50:49,360
Speaker 1: and it's just they're so neat to have and to

2068
01:50:49,479 --> 01:50:52,439
Speaker 1: hold that history, and especially today where people are burning

2069
01:50:52,479 --> 01:50:56,720
Speaker 1: books and banning books and going to digital books and things,

2070
01:50:56,840 --> 01:50:59,479
Speaker 1: you know, these pieces of history like I have. I

2071
01:50:59,560 --> 01:51:01,599
Speaker 1: have a surt Francis Drake book I bought. I paid

2072
01:51:01,680 --> 01:51:03,439
Speaker 1: quite a bit of money for it. It's a one

2073
01:51:03,479 --> 01:51:06,000
Speaker 1: in five copy. It was just one that was one

2074
01:51:06,040 --> 01:51:08,400
Speaker 1: in five known copies of this book and I have,

2075
01:51:09,200 --> 01:51:12,960
Speaker 1: man it's you know, the other four copies are in institutions,

2076
01:51:13,120 --> 01:51:16,280
Speaker 1: you know. And this one happened to get be for

2077
01:51:16,439 --> 01:51:19,640
Speaker 1: sale from at a castle in England that was um

2078
01:51:20,680 --> 01:51:22,479
Speaker 1: wanting to sell that the owners were just going to

2079
01:51:22,560 --> 01:51:23,920
Speaker 1: sell all the books. That happened to be one that

2080
01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:26,960
Speaker 1: they had that I bought, so, you know, it's it's

2081
01:51:27,000 --> 01:51:31,000
Speaker 1: pretty cool. You know, some of them are so valuable.

2082
01:51:31,040 --> 01:51:32,800
Speaker 1: I don't even I hardly like look at them a

2083
01:51:32,880 --> 01:51:36,080
Speaker 1: little bit, Yeah, touch them and go through them. But no,

2084
01:51:36,240 --> 01:51:38,280
Speaker 1: I've read quite a few and I've I've learned a

2085
01:51:38,320 --> 01:51:41,479
Speaker 1: lot of history. And the more people find out that

2086
01:51:41,560 --> 01:51:43,680
Speaker 1: I have these books, the more people that contact me

2087
01:51:43,760 --> 01:51:46,479
Speaker 1: about you know, information that's in them or photos. A

2088
01:51:46,560 --> 01:51:49,440
Speaker 1: lot of these old pirate books and ship books, shipwrecks

2089
01:51:49,520 --> 01:51:53,240
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, voyages of discovery. They have a

2090
01:51:53,320 --> 01:51:55,599
Speaker 1: lot of really nice maps in them, old old maps,

2091
01:51:55,680 --> 01:51:58,200
Speaker 1: you know, from the fifteen six hundreds. They have a

2092
01:51:58,280 --> 01:52:01,639
Speaker 1: lot of different things in them that other people want,

2093
01:52:01,800 --> 01:52:04,080
Speaker 1: you know, other TV shows want so I can take

2094
01:52:04,640 --> 01:52:07,120
Speaker 1: and take photos and make copies of these things that

2095
01:52:07,200 --> 01:52:10,679
Speaker 1: they can use. So and um, a lot of times,

2096
01:52:10,720 --> 01:52:12,439
Speaker 1: you know, I buy some. You know, there's some old

2097
01:52:12,600 --> 01:52:15,080
Speaker 1: Kajars that have been out trying to find pirates and

2098
01:52:15,200 --> 01:52:18,040
Speaker 1: different things, and their family will contact me and I'll

2099
01:52:18,080 --> 01:52:20,400
Speaker 1: buy their old manuscripts where they've been out looking for

2100
01:52:20,479 --> 01:52:23,160
Speaker 1: the pirate and digging and finding graves of pirates and

2101
01:52:23,200 --> 01:52:25,599
Speaker 1: stuff like that. So, I mean, I'm building some material

2102
01:52:25,680 --> 01:52:28,400
Speaker 1: to maybe someday have a really cool book about the

2103
01:52:28,479 --> 01:52:31,160
Speaker 1: whole era of it and about the collecting side of it.

2104
01:52:32,080 --> 01:52:37,360
Speaker 1: What's your most what's your most valuable book? Mm hmm

2105
01:52:38,320 --> 01:52:41,240
Speaker 1: And where is it located? Well? I have it, Yeah,

2106
01:52:42,520 --> 01:52:45,759
Speaker 1: I have. UM, I have a first edition Buccaneers of America.

2107
01:52:45,800 --> 01:52:48,559
Speaker 1: It's in Dutch and it was written in sixteen seventy eight.

2108
01:52:48,560 --> 01:52:51,439
Speaker 1: It's not nearly my oldest book, but it's very very

2109
01:52:51,479 --> 01:52:55,679
Speaker 1: difficult copy and it's in an original binding, and so yeah,

2110
01:52:55,800 --> 01:52:58,720
Speaker 1: it's um. What's something like that worth? Yeah, it's um,

2111
01:53:01,000 --> 01:53:03,040
Speaker 1: you know, I'll tell you it's more than a couple

2112
01:53:03,040 --> 01:53:05,439
Speaker 1: of three polar Bear huts. Let's just call it that.

2113
01:53:07,600 --> 01:53:13,320
Speaker 1: Do you read Dutch? No, But you know, part of

2114
01:53:13,400 --> 01:53:16,680
Speaker 1: being a U you know, that's part of the obsession,

2115
01:53:16,800 --> 01:53:18,120
Speaker 1: part of me, you know. So I have to have

2116
01:53:18,240 --> 01:53:20,280
Speaker 1: the first edition in Spanish. I have to have the

2117
01:53:20,360 --> 01:53:22,400
Speaker 1: first edition in French. I have to first have the

2118
01:53:22,439 --> 01:53:25,360
Speaker 1: first edition in English. I heard you say, masso manos

2119
01:53:25,720 --> 01:53:37,280
Speaker 1: speak Spanish. That's right. Uh. You've also um probably written, um,

2120
01:53:37,920 --> 01:53:41,680
Speaker 1: your Master Trappers book. It's probably the most exhaustive thing

2121
01:53:42,960 --> 01:53:47,560
Speaker 1: to read, No, the most exhaustive thing on trapping in America,

2122
01:53:48,720 --> 01:53:52,439
Speaker 1: but I know about Yeah. I mean it's from the

2123
01:53:52,520 --> 01:53:59,280
Speaker 1: Mountain Men to the modern day, like long liner dudes. Yeah, yeah, dude,

2124
01:53:59,320 --> 01:54:02,840
Speaker 1: I said, like I love that thing. I said, like

2125
01:54:03,080 --> 01:54:04,640
Speaker 1: when I when I'm going to bed at night, I'll

2126
01:54:04,720 --> 01:54:07,720
Speaker 1: lay there and put my my new spectacles on and

2127
01:54:07,800 --> 01:54:09,439
Speaker 1: I'll just start like I don't even read it front

2128
01:54:09,479 --> 01:54:10,960
Speaker 1: to back. I just skim through it and read all

2129
01:54:11,040 --> 01:54:13,360
Speaker 1: kinds of junk. Look for people I figured must be

2130
01:54:13,439 --> 01:54:16,200
Speaker 1: in there, and there they are, guys I grew up

2131
01:54:16,240 --> 01:54:18,760
Speaker 1: reading and stuff. It's it's it's like it's a I

2132
01:54:18,760 --> 01:54:22,000
Speaker 1: don't know. It's a huge book called Master Trappers, and

2133
01:54:22,120 --> 01:54:28,160
Speaker 1: it's profiles well, it's like profiles on eras Hudson Bay Company,

2134
01:54:28,520 --> 01:54:31,160
Speaker 1: the Mountain Man era. But as you progressed, it's profiles

2135
01:54:31,240 --> 01:54:35,720
Speaker 1: on just like every notable trapper, and then not everybody,

2136
01:54:35,920 --> 01:54:38,919
Speaker 1: many of the notable trappers, all elements of the business,

2137
01:54:39,280 --> 01:54:45,160
Speaker 1: animal damage control, government stuff, interspersed with Tom's like evolution,

2138
01:54:45,400 --> 01:54:52,320
Speaker 1: schoolboy trapper, professional trapper, airborne trapper, on into phasing out

2139
01:54:52,360 --> 01:54:54,040
Speaker 1: of that and into the hunting world. I mean, it's

2140
01:54:54,040 --> 01:54:56,480
Speaker 1: a really interesting book, man. Yeah. Thanks. If I hadn't

2141
01:54:56,480 --> 01:54:57,840
Speaker 1: known you were reading it, at night in bed. I

2142
01:54:57,840 --> 01:54:59,600
Speaker 1: would have put a fold out map in it for you.

2143
01:55:02,160 --> 01:55:05,480
Speaker 1: It's solid and it's it's uh. I think it's a

2144
01:55:05,520 --> 01:55:08,440
Speaker 1: phenomenal book. I became aware of it because some of

2145
01:55:08,520 --> 01:55:13,680
Speaker 1: the equipment I buy all buy on Minnesota trapline products. Um,

2146
01:55:14,200 --> 01:55:16,880
Speaker 1: we've talked a bunch about like the MB you know,

2147
01:55:17,000 --> 01:55:20,640
Speaker 1: Minnesota brand traps and whatnot. You'd go on there. I didn't.

2148
01:55:20,640 --> 01:55:25,120
Speaker 1: And I had no idea that dude, Yeah he's chronicled

2149
01:55:25,120 --> 01:55:28,520
Speaker 1: down there as well. Yeah, that dude his history as

2150
01:55:28,560 --> 01:55:32,520
Speaker 1: a trapper absolutely and like wildland firefighter. But I had

2151
01:55:32,560 --> 01:55:35,840
Speaker 1: no idea that he was a like bound up in

2152
01:55:35,920 --> 01:55:38,800
Speaker 1: that whole thing. You know. The book was. It was

2153
01:55:38,840 --> 01:55:41,600
Speaker 1: a labor of love. I started it in two thousand fourteen,

2154
01:55:42,360 --> 01:55:45,240
Speaker 1: um actually because the Trapper Predator call our magazine called

2155
01:55:45,280 --> 01:55:48,000
Speaker 1: me and they said, would you consider writing a book

2156
01:55:48,480 --> 01:55:50,960
Speaker 1: about trapping a little bit of the trapping history for us?

2157
01:55:51,760 --> 01:55:53,600
Speaker 1: And I said, you know, that's a you know, that's

2158
01:55:53,600 --> 01:55:56,520
Speaker 1: a big that's a big thing. That's a lot of work.

2159
01:55:56,560 --> 01:55:58,320
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that I want to do that. They go, well,

2160
01:55:58,400 --> 01:56:00,160
Speaker 1: we we would saw a bunch of him, and we

2161
01:56:00,240 --> 01:56:01,680
Speaker 1: think you would be the guy to do it for us.

2162
01:56:01,840 --> 01:56:03,560
Speaker 1: Your name on it would really make a make a

2163
01:56:03,680 --> 01:56:06,840
Speaker 1: point for us and anyway, so I agreed to do it.

2164
01:56:06,960 --> 01:56:08,480
Speaker 1: I did a contract with them, and then like a

2165
01:56:08,560 --> 01:56:10,400
Speaker 1: few months later, they said, now you know, we the

2166
01:56:10,480 --> 01:56:12,800
Speaker 1: trapping business is going down. We've decided that we don't

2167
01:56:12,800 --> 01:56:14,640
Speaker 1: want to do the project anymore. Why it started it

2168
01:56:14,680 --> 01:56:17,240
Speaker 1: and made the outlines and everything that's seriously happened and

2169
01:56:17,320 --> 01:56:20,000
Speaker 1: they and eventually eventually Trapper prettor Call magazine was sold

2170
01:56:20,040 --> 01:56:21,800
Speaker 1: out and was bought by other people. So it was

2171
01:56:21,880 --> 01:56:23,760
Speaker 1: like there, I think there was more to it than

2172
01:56:23,840 --> 01:56:26,680
Speaker 1: just the trapping business going down. But anyways, I shelved

2173
01:56:26,840 --> 01:56:32,760
Speaker 1: the idea until oh gosh, two thousand twenty and UM,

2174
01:56:32,840 --> 01:56:34,960
Speaker 1: I get this call. This phone rings like eight o'clock

2175
01:56:35,000 --> 01:56:36,320
Speaker 1: at night, and I look at it and I don't

2176
01:56:36,360 --> 01:56:38,280
Speaker 1: recognize the number, and normally I don't take it, but

2177
01:56:38,360 --> 01:56:40,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know who this is, I'm gonna

2178
01:56:40,480 --> 01:56:41,680
Speaker 1: take it. So I took the call and it was

2179
01:56:41,760 --> 01:56:44,160
Speaker 1: from some I can't remember the man's name, but he

2180
01:56:44,240 --> 01:56:47,680
Speaker 1: was from the National Trappers Association and he said, UM,

2181
01:56:47,920 --> 01:56:49,600
Speaker 1: I'd like to talk to you about if you can

2182
01:56:49,640 --> 01:56:52,640
Speaker 1: come to the Trappers convention this year in two thousand,

2183
01:56:52,800 --> 01:56:56,760
Speaker 1: two thousand twenty Trappers Convention, which was in July. Well,

2184
01:56:56,840 --> 01:57:01,200
Speaker 1: obviously it was, um, it was the COVID thing, you know,

2185
01:57:01,320 --> 01:57:02,640
Speaker 1: there was all the COVID thing, or maybe it was

2186
01:57:02,680 --> 01:57:04,920
Speaker 1: two thousand twenty one. No, it's two thousand twenty when

2187
01:57:04,920 --> 01:57:06,880
Speaker 1: the COVID hit in March at two thousand twenty. So yeah,

2188
01:57:06,920 --> 01:57:08,600
Speaker 1: I was like, in July was when the event was

2189
01:57:08,640 --> 01:57:10,839
Speaker 1: going to be, but it was it was eventually canceled.

2190
01:57:10,880 --> 01:57:14,040
Speaker 1: But anyway, he says, um, he goes. I said, man,

2191
01:57:14,120 --> 01:57:15,760
Speaker 1: I haven't been to a trap convention a long time,

2192
01:57:15,840 --> 01:57:18,240
Speaker 1: data DA And he's like, well, he goes, we voted

2193
01:57:18,280 --> 01:57:20,200
Speaker 1: you into the Hall of Fame, the Trappers Hall of Fame.

2194
01:57:20,240 --> 01:57:23,560
Speaker 1: I hadn't said a trap since nine, you know, and

2195
01:57:23,640 --> 01:57:25,720
Speaker 1: here I'm getting voted into the Trappers Hall of Fame.

2196
01:57:25,920 --> 01:57:28,400
Speaker 1: It's like, well, why, you know, what's up with that?

2197
01:57:28,560 --> 01:57:30,600
Speaker 1: And they go, well, it's just all the years of

2198
01:57:30,680 --> 01:57:33,400
Speaker 1: you promoting trapping through your TV shows and the fact

2199
01:57:33,440 --> 01:57:35,080
Speaker 1: that you were one of the first guys to do

2200
01:57:35,160 --> 01:57:37,600
Speaker 1: the videos and everything. So anyway, I hang up the

2201
01:57:37,600 --> 01:57:39,120
Speaker 1: phone from him, like, oh my gosh, I'm gonna be

2202
01:57:39,160 --> 01:57:41,000
Speaker 1: in the Trappers Hall of Fame. This is which was

2203
01:57:41,200 --> 01:57:42,960
Speaker 1: just this huge honor to me. I mean, that's as

2204
01:57:43,000 --> 01:57:45,280
Speaker 1: good as it gets. And I thought, you know, I'm

2205
01:57:45,280 --> 01:57:47,320
Speaker 1: gonna bring that book out. I'm gonna bring that book

2206
01:57:47,320 --> 01:57:49,240
Speaker 1: out and look at my old notes of it from

2207
01:57:49,400 --> 01:57:51,480
Speaker 1: two thousand fourteen. So I did. I brought that book

2208
01:57:51,480 --> 01:57:52,760
Speaker 1: out and I looked at it and I looked what

2209
01:57:52,880 --> 01:57:56,240
Speaker 1: I had going, and I thought, it's COVID. All my

2210
01:57:56,320 --> 01:57:58,840
Speaker 1: trips are canceled. Now I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna

2211
01:57:58,920 --> 01:58:00,520
Speaker 1: do it. Did you have a team of people that

2212
01:58:00,560 --> 01:58:01,920
Speaker 1: you worked on it with? No. I did it totally

2213
01:58:01,960 --> 01:58:04,280
Speaker 1: by myself and was sitting in my trophy room. Seriously

2214
01:58:05,680 --> 01:58:08,280
Speaker 1: that seriously did that. You wrote all those profiles, everything

2215
01:58:09,400 --> 01:58:12,040
Speaker 1: start to finish, never hired anybody to help, you know.

2216
01:58:13,000 --> 01:58:17,760
Speaker 1: Damn dude likes working, you know, and I you know,

2217
01:58:17,840 --> 01:58:19,800
Speaker 1: it was good. But the thing is is the book

2218
01:58:19,880 --> 01:58:22,360
Speaker 1: is about you know that there's history in the book, um,

2219
01:58:22,760 --> 01:58:26,720
Speaker 1: but it's really it's the book is actually a tribute

2220
01:58:26,760 --> 01:58:29,640
Speaker 1: to all the people that I learned how to trap

2221
01:58:29,760 --> 01:58:32,839
Speaker 1: from from the earlier that that gave me interest in trapping.

2222
01:58:32,920 --> 01:58:35,200
Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's a part in there about Jeremiah

2223
01:58:35,280 --> 01:58:38,640
Speaker 1: Johnson's movie you know that Jeremia Johnson. Yeah, there's parts

2224
01:58:38,640 --> 01:58:41,760
Speaker 1: in there. I think parts of it that people touch,

2225
01:58:41,840 --> 01:58:44,360
Speaker 1: all the trappers that you know that have the because

2226
01:58:44,400 --> 01:58:46,600
Speaker 1: there is a romance to trapping. There's a little bit

2227
01:58:46,600 --> 01:58:49,080
Speaker 1: of a romance to it for people who have done

2228
01:58:49,120 --> 01:58:52,360
Speaker 1: it before to look back. And because trapping every morning

2229
01:58:52,440 --> 01:58:54,120
Speaker 1: is like Christmas. You don't know what you're gonna catch.

2230
01:58:54,240 --> 01:58:55,840
Speaker 1: You know, is it gonna be an empty trapper? You're

2231
01:58:55,840 --> 01:58:57,480
Speaker 1: gonna have a silver fox in it? What are you

2232
01:58:57,520 --> 01:59:00,760
Speaker 1: gonna get? So it's kind of a The book is

2233
01:59:00,840 --> 01:59:04,280
Speaker 1: kind of a motivational book to take somebody who used

2234
01:59:04,320 --> 01:59:06,840
Speaker 1: to trap and to bring back all those memories. But

2235
01:59:07,240 --> 01:59:09,000
Speaker 1: it was a tribute to the guys I learned how

2236
01:59:09,040 --> 01:59:10,800
Speaker 1: to trap from the books I bought, the books I

2237
01:59:10,880 --> 01:59:16,840
Speaker 1: read the people that influenced to me. Man's a nostalgic enterprise. Man. Uh,

2238
01:59:16,960 --> 01:59:19,920
Speaker 1: there's a hundred ways tell people where to find you know,

2239
01:59:19,960 --> 01:59:22,160
Speaker 1: how to find your book and and uh, I don't know,

2240
01:59:22,200 --> 01:59:23,840
Speaker 1: that's a long list of ways to find you, but

2241
01:59:24,160 --> 01:59:27,280
Speaker 1: hit people with like how'll track you down on social media?

2242
01:59:28,320 --> 01:59:32,160
Speaker 1: How to find your Adventure Bowl hunting book Master, trappers,

2243
01:59:32,640 --> 01:59:37,080
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, mostly if I'm on social media, I

2244
01:59:37,200 --> 01:59:40,120
Speaker 1: have a I have a small Instagram thing. For some reason,

2245
01:59:40,160 --> 01:59:41,880
Speaker 1: I'm not that good on the phone, so I do

2246
01:59:42,040 --> 01:59:44,800
Speaker 1: a little laptop and on the laptop I do Facebook,

2247
01:59:44,840 --> 01:59:49,560
Speaker 1: and so my Facebook adventure bow Hunter. You can find

2248
01:59:49,600 --> 01:59:51,840
Speaker 1: my page there. I have lots of videos on there.

2249
01:59:52,280 --> 01:59:54,520
Speaker 1: Um or Tom Miranda dot com, which is where my

2250
01:59:54,600 --> 01:59:58,320
Speaker 1: store is. That's easy to find Tom Miranda dot com. UM.

2251
01:59:58,440 --> 02:00:01,120
Speaker 1: I have over five TV show os on my website

2252
02:00:01,160 --> 02:00:03,760
Speaker 1: that you can watch for free. Um. And then in

2253
02:00:03,880 --> 02:00:07,000
Speaker 1: my store, I had my books they and I have

2254
02:00:07,120 --> 02:00:08,800
Speaker 1: the Super Slam Book I wrote in two thousand and

2255
02:00:08,840 --> 02:00:10,680
Speaker 1: eleven when I finished. People can find your books on

2256
02:00:10,720 --> 02:00:13,760
Speaker 1: Amazon too, right like I think I can't remember. Yeah,

2257
02:00:13,800 --> 02:00:17,200
Speaker 1: there's some we've seen them on Minnesota Minnesota trap Line Products. Yeah,

2258
02:00:17,240 --> 02:00:19,280
Speaker 1: you can get them from Tim Caban at Minnesota trap

2259
02:00:19,320 --> 02:00:23,000
Speaker 1: Line Products or direct or direct from me at Tom

2260
02:00:23,120 --> 02:00:26,400
Speaker 1: Randa dot com. And that the Trapping Book is there too.

2261
02:00:26,840 --> 02:00:28,760
Speaker 1: And I signed all the books that anybody that buys

2262
02:00:28,760 --> 02:00:30,600
Speaker 1: a book from me on my website, I signed for him.

2263
02:00:32,000 --> 02:00:36,400
Speaker 1: So I'm almost into my third printing, so it's sold

2264
02:00:36,440 --> 02:00:39,360
Speaker 1: to too. Full printings of those trapper books. That's great.

2265
02:00:39,400 --> 02:00:42,200
Speaker 1: It's been really really good, and lots of lots of

2266
02:00:42,240 --> 02:00:46,560
Speaker 1: people have really sent me some long heartfelt messages about

2267
02:00:46,600 --> 02:00:48,480
Speaker 1: how it really brought back the old days in the

2268
02:00:48,560 --> 02:00:51,440
Speaker 1: trapping to them. How cocky are you feeling about the

2269
02:00:51,480 --> 02:00:54,680
Speaker 1: trivia show we're going to record next. I don't know

2270
02:00:55,160 --> 02:00:57,360
Speaker 1: if I'm going to be that cocky about it, but um,

2271
02:00:57,600 --> 02:00:59,440
Speaker 1: I might have an answer or two up my sleeve.

2272
02:00:59,520 --> 02:01:02,120
Speaker 1: What do you think, math, I'm expecting a strong performance, Spencer.

2273
02:01:02,240 --> 02:01:05,680
Speaker 1: I have to our most well traveled guests are most

2274
02:01:06,080 --> 02:01:09,880
Speaker 1: accomplished bow hunting guest. I think that sets him up. Well, Oh,

2275
02:01:10,680 --> 02:01:16,080
Speaker 1: you've seen a lot. We also recently upped our Now,

2276
02:01:16,760 --> 02:01:20,880
Speaker 1: let me teach you something here, Steve. We have a

2277
02:01:21,000 --> 02:01:23,840
Speaker 1: big announcement coming up on the Trivia episode that we

2278
02:01:23,840 --> 02:01:29,000
Speaker 1: will tell you about. Remember our conversation about over selling stuff.

2279
02:01:29,200 --> 02:01:32,680
Speaker 1: That's my job. A big announcement that Steve is not

2280
02:01:32,800 --> 02:01:35,680
Speaker 1: going to reveal right now. Alright, ladies, gentlemen, Tom random

2281
02:01:37,400 --> 02:01:39,720
Speaker 1: check the next We're not done with Tom. We're gonna

2282
02:01:39,760 --> 02:01:43,960
Speaker 1: do uh media to trivia game on Soccers. It'll serve

2283
02:01:44,080 --> 02:01:48,440
Speaker 1: up to you soon and it will I'm expecting just

2284
02:01:49,000 --> 02:01:51,960
Speaker 1: I'm expecting a dominating performance from Tom Random. I like it,

2285
02:01:53,400 --> 02:01:53,920
Speaker 1: Stay tuned,