WEBVTT - 2020 New Coach Spice-o-Meter 0:00:02.040 --> 0:00:04.720 Welcome to the solid verbal. 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:08.440 I'm that for me. I'm a man, I'm forty. I've 0:00:08.480 --> 0:00:10.680 heard so many players say, well, I want to be happy. 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:12.840 You want to be happy for Dake Edith. 0:00:12.760 --> 0:00:13.680 State is that? 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:14.920 Whoo whoom? 0:00:14.960 --> 0:00:20.639 And Dan and Tie? All right, welcome back to the 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:23.560 solid verbal. You're hearing my voice because I am in 0:00:23.680 --> 0:00:27.760 full control. Tye is out. This is a Dan only situation. 0:00:27.880 --> 0:00:30.280 Out now. Tie is sick. Ty has the flu. And 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:32.879 we want to keep doing shows. We want to keep 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:38.479 putting out content, and we haven't talked about new coaches, coordinators, staffs, 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:41.879 assistant strength and conditioning coaches. So we turn to the 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:47.199 man who not only is a senior columnist and everything 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:51.159 for the Athletic covering college football, not only host the 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:53.400 Andy Staples Show, which it's really good that they found 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:56.560 Andy Staples to host the Andy Staples Show, but he's 0:00:56.600 --> 0:01:01.360 also uniquely qualified to look at new coach and grade. 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:04.720 I guess his own perception the way that we are 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:07.520 trying to do today, which is on a hot chicken 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:12.959 spice scale, because why would you do anything other than 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:15.800 that once you realize that that's an option. Andy Staples, 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:16.640 thanks for coming on. 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:20.440 Well, thank you Dan, I am proud to say I 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:24.680 have consumed the Extra Extra Extra hot at Prince's in Nashville, 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:29.119 the basically the founders of hot chicken in America, and 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:32.520 so I feel like I'm uniquely qualified for this. In fact, 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:34.880 I'm going to send you the video of myself eating 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:39.360 said chicken. It's like a chicken grenade essentially, or a 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:43.880 spice grenade. It does not hit immediately, but when it does, 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:45.360 oh dear lord. 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:49.240 It's not the explosion, it's the shrapnel. That's where they 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:50.880 get you. It's the after effect. 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:53.760 It's well, it's not just the after effect. 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:59.120 It is intense, and it's intense for a while, like 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:03.920 normal icy food. It's intense for a few seconds. It's 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:08.800 intense for a solid minute, minute and a half. It's 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:13.079 it's different now, but I still recommend it to everyone 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:17.920 who loves hot chicken because this is the place where 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:18.480 it was born. 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:21.680 The legend behind it is incredible. You know. 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:25.600 Yep, he was out cat and around and Wifey did 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:28.880 not appreciate that, and so for breakfast, she just emptied 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:34.440 the contents of the spice cabinet into the dredge and 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:35.320 there you go. 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:37.840 So, yeah, this is the Prince Family. 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:41.440 Yeah, yeah, so, I mean infidelity has never produced something 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:42.359 so delicious. 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:46.320 I mean, that's the tagline for the Andy Staples Show. 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:49.000 I mean, not accusing you of anything, but well, actually 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:52.760 think my parents of something. But oh that is true. 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:58.160 No, that was I was born in blessed wedlock for 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:01.600 those who are there, but right, But the Andy Staples Show. 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:04.160 I am glad they found Andy Staples to host that. 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:09.880 It would have been very awkward otherwise. But also the 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:12.000 name of the show did not occur to me for 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:17.760 a solid two months, three months that the initials were ass. 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:21.520 Yeah. I mean that's a that's a very key component 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:24.720 of college football, as if you're going to choose, if 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:29.600 you're going to choose any direction to go when putting 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:32.240 together a roster, you can do worse than putting together 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:35.160 a team of ample rumped individuals. 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:36.560 Well, that's exactly right. 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:39.680 And the thing about the show, I mean, it's we 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:44.840 were talking about some serious search engine OPTIMSM optimization. I 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:47.760 don't know if you've seen the colon after the name 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:52.640 of the show, which is funny after the word ass. Yes, 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:56.960 of course, it says a show about college football. So 0:03:57.120 --> 0:04:00.440 basically we are we are the what time is the 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:01.840 super Bowl of podcasts. 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:06.800 You're nailing it. Apps sub the Andy Staples Show. Subscribe 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:11.000 for college Football podcast. It's a good name. I can't 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:13.640 hold it against you. And also, if we have time 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:17.159 at the end of the show, after we discuss new 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:20.880 college football hires within the context of hot Chicken spiciness, 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:23.960 I want to do a show within the show called like, 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:26.800 I don't know, chat and Chicken Poultry Pals. I don't 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:28.320 know what it's going to be, just about the state 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:30.440 of fried chicken in my world. 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:34.279 Well, I mean, given how you and Ti have cast 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:37.960 some aspersion on us at the Athletic as being in 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:42.039 the bag for big poultry, I think we probably should 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:42.800 clear the air. 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:43.320 At least. 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:47.679 We're not the most talented duo. We don't. I guess 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:49.680 maybe we do sound the best, but we are not 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:52.359 the smartest. We're not the most connected, but we do 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:56.200 notice ongoing trends in college football media, perhaps better than 0:04:56.240 --> 0:04:56.920 anybody else. 0:04:57.200 --> 0:04:59.240 It is. It is a gift, I assure you. 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:02.920 But my contribution to that writing about the greatest chicken 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:05.520 sandwich on Earth, which is the sandwich that is only 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:08.480 served on Tuesdays at Blue Ook Barbecue in New Orleans. 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:13.800 Mine was made earnestly. There was no nothing from above 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:17.760 that said Andy, you must write about Chicken today. So 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:22.800 I know everyone thinks it's a vast conspiracy that ESPN 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:25.359 people are supposed to favor the SEC and people at 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:27.040 the athletic are supposed to write about Chicken. 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:29.360 Sometimes it just works out that way. 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:32.880 Yeah, Well, when I when I hear that Tyson or 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:37.719 Purdue presents the Andy Staples Show, that's p ER, not 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:41.040 p u R, then I'm gonna know something's so well. 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:41.760 I'm just watched. 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:45.400 If if I give Sam Pittman the highest of grades, 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:49.160 you probably know Tyson Chicken is involved here. 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:53.640 Okay, here's here's the uh, the the movement right into 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:56.159 the head coach higher. So let's start with head coaches. 0:05:56.160 --> 0:06:00.560 And I guess in terms of actual spiciness it would 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:03.719 be hard to go anywhere else but the state of Mississippi. 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:07.040 I would. I think it's probably easiest to say that 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:09.800 Mike Leach and Lane Kiff, and who have coached against 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:13.040 each other in a different conference, that is the spiciest 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:16.880 duo in just a specific state. So what is your 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:19.960 perception of each of those hires? And if we're going 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:24.680 to define spiciness, I suppose by how is the fit? 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:27.359 You know, it's not necessarily we need to find the 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:31.200 next dabbo, it's how does this person fit at this school? 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:33.360 You know, it's all the jarrins that I came up 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:37.360 with ten minutes ago. It's hiring, firing, inspiring, tiring out 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:41.320 other teams, and I guess all while perspiring. It was 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:44.240 very nice, don king of me. What is the spiciness? 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:45.960 What is the fit? Where are the factors? To you? 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:48.520 With Mike Leach at State and Lanekiff and at all, Miss. 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:51.240 Well, you gave me some helpful levels of spice, which 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:52.159 I'm glad you did. 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:53.000 Yeah. 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:56.680 You started with country slash Southern, which I'm assuming is 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:59.520 so is no spice at all, just salt. And then 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:03.599 you've got mild, mild with spicy, honey, medium, hot, extra hot, 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:07.400 howland or atomic or reaper with a side of frozen 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:14.960 teepee of assuming frozen teaiod yes, correct, correct, I will 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:18.040 I will change the last one to nuclear. 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:22.600 Yeah, that's fine, and anything that is beyond just your 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:23.680 standard adjectives. 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:26.080 Yeah, there was a there was an incident when I 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:29.920 was in college with the nuclear flavored hot wings from 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:33.040 winging it now. Okay, I want to make sure people 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:35.280 do understand we are talking about Nashville hot chicken. 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:37.320 We are not talking about hot wings. 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:41.400 Because I remember a few years ago, back when Nashville 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:43.880 was the only place where you could still get hot chicken. 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:48.400 You'd say hot chicken and people would go, oh, wings. 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:48.880 Buffalo wings. 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:50.360 M yeah. 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:53.840 But the rest of the country has hipped to what 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:56.160 hot chicken is. But just in case you don't know, 0:07:56.680 --> 0:08:01.040 it is a whole piece of fried chicken, thigh, breast, 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:05.400 whatever you want, and it is fried. And then the 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:07.640 way that most of the places spice it is they 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:10.320 use kind of a pepper paste that they put on it, 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:13.400 and this the paste have varying degrees of intensity depending 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:16.360 on how bad you want to hurt afterward. 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:17.600 And what what types of peppers they use. 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:17.920 Yeah. 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:21.320 Yeah, So like you go to Princes, you get the 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:24.120 extra extra extra hot. It is hotter than the blazes 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:26.880 of Hell. Like their medium is hot. If you go 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:30.600 to Hot Chicken Takeover in Columbus, Ohio, they've kind of 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:33.840 dumbed it down for a non Nashville audience. 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:36.439 We're amateurs. Yeah, well no, but there's. 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:38.880 It's still delicious. You just have to. It's like it's 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:40.480 sort of like sizing up and shoes. 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:44.200 You know, if if you're normally like it hot, you 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:47.000 would get medium at Princes, you'd have to get the 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:50.280 hot at at Hot Chicken Takeover and all these other 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:51.760 places that have sprung up. 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:54.559 So I'm going to go with nuclear for the. 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:57.760 For the top level, and I am going to go 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:03.920 nuclear on both of these high on Lane Kiffin and 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:09.199 on Mike Leach because this cannot possibly end well from 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:12.880 an egg Bowl perspective, right, they actually like each other. 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:15.080 My guess is they'll end up hating each other. 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:19.720 This is going to be an intense recruiting rivalry, an 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:23.880 intense rivalry on the field. If they do manage to 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:25.520 do what they've been hired to do and make their 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:30.040 programs better, then imagine if the egg Bowl is for say, 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:32.200 we're not going to say for the SEC West title. 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:35.599 Let's not go crazy. Alabama, LSU, AUVERURGN are still in 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:37.840 the division. But let's say the egg Bowl is for 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:39.679 a New Year Six Bowl. 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:42.760 Berth sure, which is the ceiling for both of these teams. 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:44.840 We've seen them in the last decade. Get to New 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:47.560 Year's Six games, Mississippi State got's number one in the country. 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:50.439 Ole Miss has beaten Alabama multiple times, so I think 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:51.520 your ceiling is correct. 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:54.920 So I mean, I'm assuming because of the stakes of 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:56.840 the game that no one would try to pretend to 0:09:57.000 --> 0:09:59.880 urinate on the field. They would probably try to pretend 0:09:59.880 --> 0:10:03.920 to defecate on the field, and that would probably cause 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:04.559 I don't know, is that. 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:05.480 A thirty yard penalty? 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:08.560 If pretending a pee is is a fifteen yard penalty, 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:10.040 Pretending to poops gotta be thirty. 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:12.640 So if you do the if that the Adam Carolla 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:15.960 like using the football as a deuce prop, yeah, then 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:17.559 I think at a certain point if you're if you're 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:20.440 bringing props into it, then it's it's multiple unsportsman likes. 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:20.760 Sure. 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:24.840 Yeah, So that's gonna cost one of these teams a 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:27.840 spot in a New Year six Bowl, and then probably 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:29.920 the coaches are going to blame one another. There may 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:33.680 be a fight at midfield. I cannot wait for any 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:36.040 of this. By the way, I am so excited about 0:10:36.080 --> 0:10:39.840 the possibility of all the things that might happen when 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:44.040 Mike Leach and Lane Kiffin coexist on either side of 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:45.679 the nastiest rivalry in sports. 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:49.240 Are you believers? Are you a believer in either of 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:53.200 them getting them getting their respective teams to New Year 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:57.120 six Ish territory? How have the Hires been in your mind? 0:10:57.520 --> 0:10:57.680 You know? 0:10:57.760 --> 0:11:01.240 Does is it the right I guess era of their 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:02.720 careers to be making this move. 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:04.559 Yes, I think both of them can do it. And 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:06.800 if you say, oh, you can't both do it at 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:09.000 the same time, well, actually you kind of can. Because 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:11.840 Mississippi State went to the Orange Bowl after the twenty 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:15.000 fourteen season, Ole miss went to the Peach Bowl after 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:18.760 the twenty fifteen season, So they've been good at the 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:22.240 same time, and so it's definitely doable. 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:25.160 And I think this is a case where they can. 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:26.480 Now the leech thing. 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:32.600 Feels more of a sure thing, I guess because look 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:36.600 at what he's done. Texas Tech, Washington State, both places 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:39.240 that it's not really easy to win. They're kind of 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:43.440 considered the most remote location in their league. Right, he 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:47.040 had them punching above their weight. I would assume he 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:49.920 does the same thing here. Now, it's not as remote 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:53.280 as those places. There is a lot of talent around there, 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:55.959 but the thing is, it is cutthroat competition to get 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:59.679 that talent, including competition with Lane Kiffin and the ole 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:04.160 Miss which Lane Kiffin hired a very aggressive recruiting staff, 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:07.360 so they're gonna get after it. Leech is going to 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:10.720 have to try to do that too, But I think 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:13.800 if you look at Leech's history punching above the weight, 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:17.120 that's what you want. Kiffen's a little bit different story 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:21.560 because obviously he was not ready for the Raiders' job. 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:24.880 I thought he did a decent job as Tennessee's head coach. 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:27.840 The record may not reflect it, but you have to 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:30.760 think of what he inherited and what they actually did. 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:33.760 That team was better than it should have been. Usc 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:35.680 was another story. He had one good year with them, 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:37.680 but was kind of underachieving the rest of the time. 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:40.959 So the question is, is what we've seen at FAU 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:43.920 an accurate representation of Lane Kiffin as a head coach, 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:48.520 because obviously the stakes do rise, the degree of difficulty 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:50.560 rises when you go to a Power five school, so 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:53.000 we'll have to see about that. But if he's the 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:56.760 guy he was at FAU and that was an accurate representation, 0:12:57.240 --> 0:12:59.040 then I do think Ole Miss can be one of 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:02.800 those teams that wins seven or eight games a year 0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:05.959 and occasionally cycles up to a very good record, to 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:11.440 a nine to ten win season. And if that happens 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:14.000 and Leech does what he's supposed to do, we are 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:18.040 going to have a very explosive egg Bowl. And that's 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:20.120 all I'm asking for. That's how i want to finish 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:21.000 my Thanksgiving night. 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:25.640 I'm right there with you. Not terribly far from Oxford 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:29.560 is Memphis who loses Mike Norvel to Florida State, who 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:33.440 takes over a headline job in the ACC. I remember 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:37.040 I was fairly confident that Willie Taggart would succeed in Tallahassee. 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:39.600 I remember you being very confident because of how well 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:43.640 he has been as a recruiter in Florida specifically. It 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:47.240 didn't work out. Mike Norvell goes to Tallahassee. Another big 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:51.600 ACC hire, somewhat big ACS hire Jeff Hafley to Boston College, 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:55.040 a school that can succeed has succeeded. What do you 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:58.199 make of those two hires at two very different places 0:13:58.200 --> 0:13:59.640 in the same conference. 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:02.199 Norvell, I'm gonna give an extra hot too. I think 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:05.240 that's a really good hire. I think he's going to 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:07.240 inherit a roster that's better than what he had at 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:11.640 Memphis and probably moved pretty quickly to improve them, because 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:13.240 you know, you look at the rest of the ACC. 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:15.000 Obviously, Clemson is Clemson. 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:18.400 Louisville's gotten quite a bit better in Scott Saderfield, but 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:20.480 there is plenty of room to just beat up on 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:25.080 everybody else in the ACC. So I think they're going 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:27.160 to do all right pretty quickly. And I think just 0:14:28.560 --> 0:14:31.480 the attention of detail he tends to pay is very special. 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:34.880 Teams heavy, the little things tend to matter to him. 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:39.280 That's very opposite of Willie Taggart's administration. And I was 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:41.280 completely wrong on the Wily Tigert thing. I thought he'd 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:43.920 be great there, but it turned out he was not 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:46.520 quite ready for that big of a job. And I 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:48.280 know you'll say, oh, well, he was an Oregon right 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:49.600 before that and he was doing fine. 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:50.840 Well look at who was. 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:53.920 At Orgon with him, and look how Orgon's done with 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:56.960 those people still there. He had a nice safety net 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:59.520 at organ That safety net wasn't there at Florida State, 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:02.400 and the result was what you saw. So I think 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:06.160 with Norvell, he's prepared for this. He's been in a 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:09.120 situation where he's had to deal with with less talent 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:13.000 going as pretty good competition, because let's be honest, the 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:16.800 American West last year isn't that different than what you 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:21.080 play against in the ACC non Clemson Division. Now, I 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:23.360 think there's some a SEC teams that are getting better, 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:26.320 and so I don't think the American and the AEC 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:32.120 will be that close together going forward. But Norvelle understands 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:34.600 the competition level he'll deal with right away. 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:34.840 Now. 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:37.520 Maybe not Clemson, but that's a different story. You don't 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:40.320 have to be Clemson right now. Just get better and 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:42.120 then in a few years we can talk about that. 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:46.520 Do you think he's built and has the ability to 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:50.320 succeed where Willy didn't? And whether that's with administrators, whether 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:54.640 that's setting expectations, whether that's hiring assistants who are competent 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:58.320 across the board, whether it's getting a team ready, inspiring 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:01.640 a team to play sort of sound dis football. Does 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:03.280 Mike Norvell inspire that in you? 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:04.600 Yes? I think so. 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:06.360 When you look at how many assistance he lost at 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:10.800 Memphis and he managed to replace them and Memphis kept 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:14.080 getting better, I think that's a really telling thing, because 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:16.720 you know, at Memphis you just couldn't afford to keep 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:19.000 those guys, and then he gets to Florida State and 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:21.440 starts rehiring some of those guys that he'd worked with 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:23.560 before because it's like, hey, I can afford you now 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:26.760 come back. And so I think that's a pretty good sign. 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:29.560 And I also think again the attention to detail. He 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:31.600 tells a story about when he first got to Memphis 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:34.680 and he had been looking through their stats and realized 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:37.040 that they had not returned to kick for a touchdown 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:40.480 in however many years, and he said in his first 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:42.520 team meeting, we will. 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:44.240 Return kicks for touchdowns. 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:47.880 And sure enough, they were close to the lead in 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:51.000 the country in that while he was there. So that 0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:54.960 sort of I'm going to identify this thing and then 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:57.840 we were going to work tirelessly to get better at it. 0:16:58.400 --> 0:16:59.200 That's a good sign. 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:02.520 And I realized what I've just said is the definition 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:05.640 of coaching in basic, but it's not. 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:07.679 That basic. 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:11.840 You will find guys who are decent big picture guys 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:14.760 who are not great at drilling down on the small details. 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:17.760 And at the level where he is now at Florida State, 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:20.840 you have to be good at the big picture and 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:23.440 at the small details, because the small details are what 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:26.480 win you games or lose you games. It's why Willie 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:29.439 Tiger got fired in year two, not so much that 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:33.400 he didn't have a good long term vision for the program, 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:36.679 but that they kept losing the same way over and 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:40.160 over again. It was clear he was not focusing on 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:43.520 those minute details because they kept messing them up time 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:46.360 and time again. So that's the part that I think 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:49.000 Mike Norvel will will definitely help them with. They got 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:50.919 to get better on the offensive line. Still, that's not 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:54.760 an overnight fix, but I do think you will see 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:59.280 you will see immediate results and feel like, Okay, they're 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:00.000 in a better place. 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:04.960 People are very high on Jeff Haffley as a specific coach. Obviously, 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:07.119 it's different when you have the amount of talent he 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:09.000 had on the Ohio State defense and he was in 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:11.320 the NFL a couple of years ago. He is highly 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:14.800 regarded across the board from the Northeast. How much of 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:18.919 an uphill climb is there at Boston College, where things 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:22.840 didn't seem great both in public and private view. 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:24.800 I feel like they were in sort of the Bopolini 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:28.919 Nebraska territory, although not quite as successful, but on a 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:34.199 plateau where they just wanted to feel something and So 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:37.920 now the issue with that is you might feel something 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:41.160 awful like when they hired Mike Riley at Nebraska, and 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:43.280 you don't want that. But I think Hafley was a 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:45.639 good choice. He was known as a good recruiter in 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:48.760 the Northeast back when he was a college coach before 0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:52.080 he went into the NFL. That's critically important at Boston 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:54.560 College because you do need to be able to cultivate 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:57.879 guys close to home, and that's not the easiest thing 0:18:57.920 --> 0:18:59.440 in the world. But you look at the history of 0:18:59.480 --> 0:19:01.720 Boston College College, they've been able to find people in 0:19:01.760 --> 0:19:04.240 the Northeast. They've also been able to find some under 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:08.080 the radar guys and really develop them. That's something that 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:11.080 that Adasio was pretty good at too, but maybe just 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:15.399 not enough of them. So that's that's Halfley's challenges is 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:22.960 can you improve upon and look, you don't have to 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:25.320 win ten games a year at Boston College. That's asking 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:29.480 an awful lot. They wont eight, they were winning seven. 0:19:29.640 --> 0:19:32.119 They would like eight. That that I think would make 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:35.600 them happy. I think you can do that, but you've 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:37.879 just got to You've got to recruit a little bit better. 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:40.480 Maybe maybe hit the portal for some bounce back guys, 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:41.879 and that's something again, that's something a. 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:44.320 Dasio did with, especially at the quarterback position. 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:49.080 But half Lea's Halfley's got to be able to to 0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:53.639 cultivate players near home because you I'm a firm believer 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:55.879 that you can't rely on a whole bunch of guys 0:19:56.000 --> 0:19:59.720 from one thousand miles away. That it's hard to make 0:19:59.760 --> 0:20:02.480 that into a team. It's hard to make that group 0:20:02.640 --> 0:20:06.000 care as much as a group that is, you know, 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:09.720 has a foundation of guys who grew up knowing about 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:13.080 the school, who care about the school. So I think 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:15.920 his ability to recruit up there is going to help. 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:20.320 Now again, Adasio was the same thing. So if we're 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:22.560 talking about someone who was at a a you know, 0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:25.719 a program recently helmed by urban Meyer who's good at 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:28.520 recruiting the northeast and good at developing people on the 0:20:28.560 --> 0:20:31.480 line of scrimmage, well that also describes Steve Dazio. So 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:35.479 you may have hired something fairly similar. But in terms 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:41.880 of charisma ability to connect with today's player, I think 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:44.119 Hathley has a little bit of an advantage there. So 0:20:45.080 --> 0:20:47.280