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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal.

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Speaker 2: I'm that for me. I'm a man, I'm forty. I've

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Speaker 2: heard so many players say, well, I want to be happy.

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Speaker 2: You want to be happy for Dake Edith.

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Speaker 1: State is that?

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Speaker 2: Whoo whoom?

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Speaker 1: And Dan and Tie? All right, welcome back to the

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Speaker 1: solid verbal. You're hearing my voice because I am in

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Speaker 1: full control. Tye is out. This is a Dan only situation.

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Speaker 1: Out now. Tie is sick. Ty has the flu. And

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Speaker 1: we want to keep doing shows. We want to keep

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Speaker 1: putting out content, and we haven't talked about new coaches, coordinators, staffs,

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Speaker 1: assistant strength and conditioning coaches. So we turn to the

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Speaker 1: man who not only is a senior columnist and everything

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Speaker 1: for the Athletic covering college football, not only host the

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Speaker 1: Andy Staples Show, which it's really good that they found

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Speaker 1: Andy Staples to host the Andy Staples Show, but he's

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Speaker 1: also uniquely qualified to look at new coach and grade.

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Speaker 1: I guess his own perception the way that we are

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Speaker 1: trying to do today, which is on a hot chicken

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Speaker 1: spice scale, because why would you do anything other than

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Speaker 1: that once you realize that that's an option. Andy Staples,

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Speaker 1: thanks for coming on.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you Dan, I am proud to say I

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Speaker 3: have consumed the Extra Extra Extra hot at Prince's in Nashville,

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Speaker 3: the basically the founders of hot chicken in America, and

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Speaker 3: I'm going to send you the video of myself eating

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Speaker 3: said chicken. It's like a chicken grenade essentially, or a

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Speaker 3: spice grenade. It does not hit immediately, but when it does,

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Speaker 3: oh dear lord.

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Speaker 1: It's not the explosion, it's the shrapnel. That's where they

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Speaker 1: get you. It's the after effect.

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Speaker 2: It's well, it's not just the after effect.

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Speaker 3: It is intense, and it's intense for a while, like

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Speaker 3: normal icy food. It's intense for a few seconds. It's

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Speaker 3: intense for a solid minute, minute and a half. It's

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Speaker 3: it's different now, but I still recommend it to everyone

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Speaker 2: The legend behind it is incredible. You know.

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Speaker 3: Yep, he was out cat and around and Wifey did

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Speaker 3: not appreciate that, and so for breakfast, she just emptied

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Speaker 3: the contents of the spice cabinet into the dredge and

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Speaker 1: So, yeah, this is the Prince Family.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so, I mean infidelity has never produced something

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's the tagline for the Andy Staples Show.

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Speaker 1: I mean, not accusing you of anything, but well, actually

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Speaker 1: think my parents of something. But oh that is true.

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Speaker 3: No, that was I was born in blessed wedlock for

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Speaker 3: those who are there, but right, But the Andy Staples Show.

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Speaker 3: I am glad they found Andy Staples to host that.

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Speaker 3: It would have been very awkward otherwise. But also the

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Speaker 3: a solid two months, three months that the initials were ass.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean that's a that's a very key component

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Speaker 1: a team of ample rumped individuals.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 3: And the thing about the show, I mean, it's we

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Speaker 3: of the show, which is funny after the word ass. Yes,

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Speaker 1: You're nailing it. Apps sub the Andy Staples Show. Subscribe

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Speaker 1: for college Football podcast. It's a good name. I can't

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Speaker 1: hold it against you. And also, if we have time

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Speaker 1: college football hires within the context of hot Chicken spiciness,

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Speaker 2: It is. It is a gift, I assure you.

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Speaker 3: But my contribution to that writing about the greatest chicken

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Speaker 3: Mine was made earnestly. There was no nothing from above

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Speaker 3: that said Andy, you must write about Chicken today. So

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Speaker 3: I know everyone thinks it's a vast conspiracy that ESPN

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Speaker 2: Sometimes it just works out that way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, when I when I hear that Tyson or

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Speaker 3: If if I give Sam Pittman the highest of grades,

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Speaker 3: Well, you gave me some helpful levels of spice, which

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a there was an incident when I

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Speaker 3: Because I remember a few years ago, back when Nashville

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Speaker 3: You'd say hot chicken and people would go, oh, wings.

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Speaker 3: But the rest of the country has hipped to what

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Speaker 3: it is a whole piece of fried chicken, thigh, breast,

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Speaker 1: We're amateurs. Yeah, well no, but there's.

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Speaker 2: It's still delicious. You just have to. It's like it's

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Speaker 3: You know, if if you're normally like it hot, you

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Speaker 2: So I'm going to go with nuclear for the.

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Speaker 3: For the top level, and I am going to go

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Speaker 2: My guess is they'll end up hating each other.

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Speaker 3: This is going to be an intense recruiting rivalry, an

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Speaker 1: Berth sure, which is the ceiling for both of these teams.

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Speaker 1: Does is it the right I guess era of their

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Speaker 1: And to be clear, Boston College has developed some all

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Speaker 3: Absolutely do that at Rutgers because people don't care that

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Speaker 1: Really good state for talent right State Jersey.

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing, Dan, If Rutgers could get all the

439
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Speaker 3: best players in New Jersey, Rutgers would be a big

440
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Speaker 3: ten title contender. That's not going to happen. Historically they

441
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Speaker 3: haven't been able to. There's a reason for that. You know,

442
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Speaker 3: Notre Dame's going to go in and invade the Catholic schools.

443
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,880
Speaker 3: Michigan and Ohio State are always going to come take

444
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Speaker 3: their share. Penn State's going to come up and take

445
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Speaker 3: its share. You're asking too much. If you're asking the

446
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Speaker 3: Rutgers coach to lock down the state.

447
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Speaker 2: He's not going to do that.

448
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Speaker 3: But Schiano is going to get enough good players to

449
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Speaker 3: make them better. And what I think what you said,

450
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:02,680
Speaker 3: where they go to a bowl game every once in

451
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,400
Speaker 3: a while, that's about all you want to ask for there.

452
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 3: They are in such a harder situation in the Big

453
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Speaker 3: Ten than they were in the Big East. To remember,

454
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Speaker 3: he never won the Big Easter Ruggers, So right, you

455
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,399
Speaker 3: you're asking too much if you're thinking, oh, he should

456
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Speaker 3: be competing with the likes of Ohio State and Penn

457
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Speaker 3: State and Michigan. No, that's not it. Every once in

458
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Speaker 3: a while you might beat one of those teams. Ball

459
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Speaker 3: eligibility is your baseline. Six wins your goal every season.

460
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Speaker 3: If you have a seven eight win season, fantastic, that's great,

461
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Speaker 3: be happy about that. But he can get you to

462
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Speaker 3: that more modest goal, and I think that's all you

463
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Speaker 3: need to ask.

464
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Speaker 1: Also, it's a great time to have ball aspirations in

465
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Speaker 1: the Big Ten with the bottom of that conference. We

466
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Speaker 1: just saw Illinois in a bowl comfortably in a bowl game.

467
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Speaker 2: We saw Indiana almost winning one. Good.

468
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to get back to the SEC in

469
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Speaker 1: a moment. But I guess let's transition with an SEC

470
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Speaker 1: assistant who just became a head coach. That'd be Dave

471
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Speaker 1: Randa moving on from national champion LSU to Baylor. Nothing

472
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Speaker 1: to do with the higher But I had never heard

473
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Speaker 1: him speak. I just sometimes you just don't hear a

474
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Speaker 1: coordinator speak. I don't live anywhere near Baton Rouge. I

475
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Speaker 1: don't really watch media days, and I didn't know he

476
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:25,159
Speaker 1: sounds like Batman, like the Christian Bale Batman. He's got

477
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Speaker 1: like a gravel, like a confident gravel to him. He

478
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Speaker 1: does suddenly I really like a lot more.

479
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Speaker 3: Very cerebral Christian Bale Batman. So yes, we'll probably a

480
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Speaker 3: little more Christian Bail Bruce Wayne in there.

481
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Speaker 2: But he is.

482
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Speaker 3: He's a very interesting guy, and it's one of those

483
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Speaker 3: things you write where you didn't. He didn't let much

484
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Speaker 3: of his personality show, but you can tell that that

485
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Speaker 3: he is.

486
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Speaker 2: He's a thinker.

487
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Speaker 3: He's very much a how do I fit this puzzle together?

488
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Speaker 3: And I think that will go over well with a

489
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Speaker 3: bunch of plays who were just with Matt Rule. Now

490
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Speaker 3: Matt Rule is a little bit different where he's that dude.

491
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Speaker 3: You don't meet many college football major college head coaches

492
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Speaker 3: who act like normal human beings, and Matt Rule was

493
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Speaker 3: the most normal of normal human beings. Like, you want

494
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Speaker 3: Matt Rule to be your neighbor. Essentially, you want to

495
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Speaker 3: him hang in the beer over the side of the fence.

496
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Speaker 3: That's who Matt Rule is. But Matt Rule is also

497
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Speaker 3: a very thoughtful guy, has a lot of very bright

498
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Speaker 3: ideas about how football should be played and about how

499
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Speaker 3: culture should be built. I think Dave Randa will fit

500
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Speaker 3: in very well in that environment, and the players will

501
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 3: will appreciate that they got somebody who maybe isn't exactly

502
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 3: like the guy they just lost, but is close enough

503
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Speaker 3: that they're going to feel like they're in a similar program.

504
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Speaker 3: And you know, Miranda, it's one of those things that

505
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Speaker 3: he didn't talk very much. I remember thinking as I

506
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Speaker 3: was watching him at media day before the National title

507
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 3: game this year, he's he was talking about some of

508
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 3: the ways that that offenses have attacked the defense and

509
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Speaker 3: also some of the some of the limitations they had

510
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Speaker 3: when they had some injuries in the middle of the year.

511
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Speaker 3: For LSU and he's kind of referring specifically to the

512
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Speaker 3: Old Miss game in the Alabama game, and you could

513
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Speaker 3: tell he wanted to say more and and his brain

514
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 3: is catching him, like, wait, I am saying too much. Schematically,

515
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Speaker 3: I'm not supposed to give this much away. I am

516
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Speaker 3: supposed to speak in cliches, but I would like to

517
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Speaker 3: answer this question.

518
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Speaker 2: So, uh, I thought that was interesting, So it will be.

519
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Speaker 3: I'm curious going forward when he's in a situation where

520
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 3: he has to talk all the time, will he will

521
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Speaker 3: he kind of figure out where that balance is because

522
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Speaker 3: you do want to give decent answers, but you do

523
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Speaker 3: not want to give away the stores schematically.

524
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Speaker 1: So I'm hearing maybe mild with spicy honey, Maybe medium

525
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Speaker 1: because of the inexperience, because going into a situation where

526
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Speaker 1: it's difficult but there has been recent success, so I

527
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Speaker 1: feel like it's it's a little bit tricky.

528
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Speaker 3: I'm a medium medium here because it's okay, it's a

529
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Speaker 3: difficult situation.

530
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Speaker 2: One.

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Speaker 3: Matt Rule is an excellent head coach and did something

532
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 3: that I don't know that many coaches could have pulled off,

533
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 3: going from one and eleven to eleven and two or

534
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 3: eleven and three at Baylor, So he's he's stepping into

535
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 3: some very large shoes and we've never seen him as

536
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Speaker 3: a head coach before.

537
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Speaker 2: Now, if you read.

538
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Speaker 3: What I write, you know I'm not a must be

539
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 3: a head coach beforehand kind of person.

540
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Speaker 2: I've looked at.

541
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Speaker 3: I look at what the best teams are, and a

542
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 3: lot of them are led by guys who weren't head

543
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 3: coaches before they became head coaches. So you don't have

544
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 3: to be. The question is do you have that in you?

545
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 3: And we just don't know that yet with Dave Randa.

546
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Speaker 3: But I do think mac Rhodes is a very good ad.

547
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 3: Something Dave dr Anna must have said impressed mac Rhodes

548
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 3: and made him believe that this is the guy who

549
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Speaker 3: can fill Matt rules shoes.

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Speaker 2: So I think that is a pretty good endorsement.

551
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Speaker 1: All Right, We'll keep going less before going back to

552
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: the because we still have Missoo Arkansas to hit. The

553
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: state of Washington has new head coaches, although somewhat familiar

554
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 1: with Nick Rolovich coaching in the Mountain West and Jimmy

555
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: Lake simply being promoted with Chris Peterson's retirement. I think

556
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Speaker 1: Nick Rolovich has resonated with people because he's been in

557
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Speaker 1: the spotlight a little bit more as a head coach,

558
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: whereas Jimmy Lake seems like, well, first of all, just

559
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Speaker 1: his quotes are already spicy. I don't know to what

560
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: level there.

561
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 3: Is pretty much spicier than everything he says after every

562
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Speaker 3: Apple Cup?

563
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: Correct, How do you feel about both of these hires?

564
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Speaker 1: Was Washington in need of going in a brand new

565
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Speaker 1: direction after stagnating in the latter part of the Chris

566
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Speaker 1: Peterson era And is Nick Rolovich too similar to Mike

567
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: Leach or does that even matter?

568
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Speaker 3: No, I'm perfectly fine with both these hires. I really like,

569
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Speaker 3: okay both. I thought Rollovich was an inspired hire by

570
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Speaker 3: Pat sewn at Washington State because you went from a

571
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Speaker 3: guy who was want to get you attention and have

572
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 3: you playing better than you probably should, to a guy

573
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Speaker 3: who was going to get you attention and, at least

574
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Speaker 3: in the place he was just at, have them playing

575
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 3: better than they probably should. So you go from the

576
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 3: air raid to the run and shoot, that's all good.

577
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 3: I think that's that's really cool. I don't know if

578
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 3: that wins you an Apple Cup, because Jimmy Lake seems

579
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Speaker 3: to have some definitive ideas about how to stop offenses

580
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 3: like that, and it seems to be pretty good at it.

581
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 3: But and the Jimmy Lake thing, I thought when when

582
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 3: I saw Peterson step down and that they had immediately

583
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 3: promoted Jimmy Lake, I thought, they get it. They understand

584
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 3: they have a good culture. Don't mess with that, don't

585
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,239
Speaker 3: mess with the infrastructure. Keep all that in place, and

586
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 3: you get a little new life, new ideas at the top.

587
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 3: But you got a good thing going, you know, you

588
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 3: said stagnating. I think they had one bad year. I

589
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 3: really I don't think the year before was that bad.

590
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 3: I think they had this year was below their standards.

591
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 3: But I think they are absolutely from a culture standpoint

592
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:12,239
Speaker 3: and recruiting standpoint and evaluation standpoint, they're good enough to

593
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Speaker 3: be contenders in the PAC twelve North every single year.

594
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Speaker 3: And by promoting Lake, you just keep all that rolling.

595
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 3: You don't have to go find a bunch of other stuff.

596
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Speaker 3: And you may find a situation like you did at

597
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Speaker 3: Ohio State, where look, nobody in their right mind would

598
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 3: have told you that urban Meyer is going to leave

599
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 3: and the guy who you hired from within to replace

600
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Speaker 3: him is going to make them better.

601
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Speaker 2: But that's exactly what happened. You know, it's not a

602
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 2: knock on Urban Meyer.

603
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 3: That's just you know, it was a perfect storm of

604
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Speaker 3: Meyer had recruited some really good players. They brought in

605
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Speaker 3: a little bit different attitude that meshed really well with

606
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Speaker 3: the chemistry of this team. And look they lose nothing.

607
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 3: You know, they keep right on rolling. I think Washington

608
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 3: can do the same thing with Jimmy Lake. You had

609
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Speaker 3: a great culture. If you can get away with not

610
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 3: changing it, I think that's the most important thing because

611
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 3: it like with Ohio State, my thing's always been keeping

612
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 3: Mickey Muradi as the strength coach was the most important

613
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 3: thing they did. You couldn't have done that if you

614
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 3: didn't hire from within. They did it, and look how

615
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 3: smooth it was. I think we'll look back a year

616
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 3: from now with Washington and say, look how smooth that was.

617
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Speaker 1: I think you're right in that there's a reason why,

618
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: maybe outside obviously outside of Nick Saban, but you look

619
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Speaker 1: at the most successful coaches right now, and a lot

620
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Speaker 1: of them are promoted from within because day one they

621
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Speaker 1: can go in and say here's what I liked, here's

622
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Speaker 1: what needs tweaking, here's what we need more of. Here's

623
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Speaker 1: what we're completely throwing out. When you look at in

624
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: the same conference Mario Christabaal, you look at obviously Dabble

625
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: at Clemson, Lincoln Riley at Oklahoma.

626
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 3: At Oorgeron because while he was atron, but the most

627
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 3: some of the more important things that at Orzeron did.

628
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 3: We're not changing the things at LSU that were working,

629
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 3: you know, hmm. There was a great infrastruct in place

630
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 3: at LSU with Tommy moffittt the strength coach, Jack Marucci

631
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 3: the trainer. They didn't need to change anything there, and

632
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 3: if they'd gone outside to hire a coach, all of

633
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 3: that probably would have changed. And the fact that Ogron

634
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 3: was able to keep that in place, I think is

635
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 3: why they got things turned around so quickly. And so yeah,

636
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 3: I mean, it's if you have the right people to

637
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 3: do it now. If you have issues in other parts

638
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 3: of your program, like Stanford right now is running into

639
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 3: some of those ancillary issues where they've got, you know,

640
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 3: gotten rid of the strength coach and trainers different and

641
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 3: I think that maybe some of the reason why things

642
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 3: are going on there, then maybe you have a different situation.

643
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 3: But if you have a situation where your infrastructure is

644
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 3: really good. You really trust those people. It's almost more

645
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 3: important to make sure they stay than to hire some

646
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 3: genius from outside.

647
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Speaker 1: So take note, Jimmy Lake, bring back cookies, because I

648
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: think that's what helped us, right, didn't that orders run

649
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: bring that was.

650
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 2: You, that was usc that was well.

651
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: We did that at sc Y.

652
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 2: And they didn't give them the job.

653
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: They didn't give them the job. Does this So here's

654
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Speaker 1: here's my homer laced, my Homer colored question. Though, with

655
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Speaker 1: both Rolovich and in Washington State has I think they

656
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: won four out of five against Oregon before this season,

657
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: and Washington, you know, gets over a couple on Oregon

658
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: before losing a couple in a row. Do either of

659
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: these hires bring them closer to a situation in Eugene

660
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: that looks like they're pulling away from the conference in

661
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: terms of both infrastructure wins and recruiting.

662
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 2: I think Jimmy Lake getting promoted at Washington makes.

663
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 3: It harder for Oregon to pull away. Okay, that's that's

664
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 3: the one where I think he can. He can probably

665
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 3: try to keep pace with them better than anybody else.

666
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 3: But I still think Oregon is has put some distance

667
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 3: between itself and the rest of the north, and it's

668
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 3: possible that they can increase that distance as long as

669
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 3: USC keeps messing around, because the second USC has a

670
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 3: different vibe in place and can recruit the way USC.

671
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 2: Is supposed to recruit. Suddenly, Orgon's roster.

672
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 3: Is not going to be as good as it is now.

673
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 3: So that's the part that Oregon just has to be

674
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 3: aware of. But right now, while they can kind of

675
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 3: go into southern California how their pick, they can create

676
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 3: some distance.

677
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: I like the waiting for goodot element of like someday

678
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: USC is gonna be good again, and we keep waiting.

679
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: So I'm sensing a good amount of spice with the

680
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: Rollo itch in Lake.

681
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like it.

682
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 3: Not quite as spicy as the state of Mississippi, but

683
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 3: the state of Washington.

684
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 2: It's spiced with a little rain on it because it's Washington.

685
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: Let's go before we go back to the SEC. I

686
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: keep teasing that because so many big G five jobs

687
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: seem to be on the western half of America. We

688
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: have San Diego State, Fresno State, Hawaii, all teams who

689
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 1: have won a lot of games past ten fifteen years.

690
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: UNLV not a power. I'll hire new coaches and then

691
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: east of the Mississippi. My geographies right, Ryan Silverfield takes

692
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:03,760
Speaker 1: over at Memphis. Who's been terrific.

693
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 2: I mean right on the Mississippi, right.

694
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: On the Mississippi. Colorado State has won games. They hire

695
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: Steve Dazio. What g five hire or hires jump out

696
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: to you as having a good amount of cayenne pepper.

697
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 3: I think Jeff Scott at South Florida is a really

698
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:23,240
Speaker 3: good one. He's one that kind of went the Dabo route.

699
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 3: He was the receivers coach, he was the recruiting coordinator

700
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:29,439
Speaker 3: at Clemson. He served in a lot of the same

701
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 3: roles and was very important in helping them build the

702
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 3: organization that they have, so he understood exactly what he

703
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 3: needed to bring down to Tampa. He's also been recruiting

704
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:46,399
Speaker 3: Florida forever. Basically he was born recruiting Florida. He tells

705
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 3: a story about his dad dragging him to one of

706
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 3: Dion Sanders high school basketball games when his dad was

707
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 3: working at Florida State.

708
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 2: And his dad, by the way, is kind of his

709
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 2: chief of staff.

710
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 3: Brad Scott former Florida State offensive coordinator Florida South, former

711
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,919
Speaker 3: South Carolina head coach, so he's the chief of staff there.

712
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 3: And you know, Jeff Scott understands the recruiting landscape in Tampa, Orlando, Jacksonville,

713
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 3: in Fort Myers, places that he's recruited for a long time,

714
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 3: places that he has to recruit heavily as USF's head coach.

715
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 3: So he's got the trust of those high school coaches.

716
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 3: They're not going to lead him astray where you go.

717
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 3: This is something coaches need to worry about when they're

718
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 3: new and they don't know anything, because they'll go into

719
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 3: a high school and the high school coach will say, well,

720
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 3: this kid's great, and not mentioned that the kid has

721
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 3: all kinds of problems and could be a terrible influence

722
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 3: on the locker room. No coach is going to be

723
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 3: s Jeff Scott because he knows them well enough already

724
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 3: and they're not going to want to burn that bridge.

725
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,439
Speaker 2: And so I think it's going to help their recruiting now.

726
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 3: They need it, because if you're at USF, the school

727
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 3: you have to recruit against the most is going to

728
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 3: be UCF. UCF has better everything than USF, better stadium,

729
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 3: better facilities, better everything, and so Jeff Scott's gonna have

730
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 3: to overcome that with with sheer force of personality, and

731
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 3: he may be able to do it.

732
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: And was he made promises when he was hired about

733
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: their movements.

734
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 2: There were no promises.

735
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 3: They're working on raising money to build a football building

736
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 3: and that was underway already, so they're they're working on it.

737
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 3: They're trying, and he's going to actually play a big

738
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 3: role in that. You know, he has said, I will

739
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 3: go raise money for you. I will be a fundraiser.

740
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 3: Whatever you asked me to do, talk to donors, take

741
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 3: him out, you know, play golf, what do you want

742
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 3: me to do, I'll do it. So I think he

743
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 3: understands that too. But in the intervening time, before they

744
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 3: can raise that money, he's just got to out recruit UCF.

745
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 3: But he also has to get those players in Florida

746
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 3: who are considering maybe UCF and USF to not go

747
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 3: to Minnesota, to not go to Wisconsin. That's that's the

748
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 3: hard part too, because those big ten schools, the ACC

749
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 3: schools that'll come down and recruit them, they got really

750
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,439
Speaker 3: nice stuff, and so you've got to say, listen, being

751
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 3: closer to home is better than having that nice stuff

752
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 3: that you would have and freezing. So it's it's a

753
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,879
Speaker 3: challenging job, but I think they picked the right guy

754
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 3: for it. The other guy I was gonna say that

755
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 3: I thought was interesting as Kaitlin Boor at Fresno State. Yeah,

756
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 3: did a really good job with them before, was amazing

757
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 3: at Indiana as the offensive coordinator.

758
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 2: I'm excited to see what he does there.

759
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: Fair Enough, let's go back to the SEC because you

760
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: mentioned Sam Pittman at the top, who it seems like

761
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: if the culture looks like what it can under Sam Pittman,

762
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: who gets his first big job opportunity here in Fayetteville

763
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: with his hires with Barry Otam and Kendall Briles, with

764
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: his you know, knowledge of the area and that program,

765
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: I feel like it's either going to go really well

766
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: or it's just going to be a disaster, which is

767
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: sort of what happens at Arkansas.

768
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 2: I guess that is what happens at Arkansas.

769
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,240
Speaker 3: And you're right, I don't think there's a middle ground there.

770
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 3: I do like the way he's hired. I talked to

771
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 3: him on my podcast right after he got hired, and

772
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 3: this is before he had hired Kendall Briles. I'm assuming

773
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 3: he was decently down the road with him and knew

774
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 3: what he was about to do from a coordinator standpoint.

775
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 2: But you know, I.

776
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 3: Asked him a lot of offensive scheme questions. And it's

777
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 3: interesting because the assumption is, Oh, he's an offensive line coach,

778
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 3: he's going to want to play that bullyball that Brett

779
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 3: beielam have played back when he was at Arkansas and

780
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 3: Pittman was the offensive line coach, because isn't that what

781
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 3: all offensive line coaches want to do?

782
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 2: Well, No, not really.

783
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,399
Speaker 3: Mario Christoball is an offensive line coach and they don't

784
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 3: run that offense. Matt Campbell's an offensive line coach, they

785
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 3: don't run that offense. So I think it was but

786
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 3: I do think the offensive line coach thing, the stereo

787
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 3: type of it, kept him from ever being mentioned for

788
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 3: Do you remember Sam Pittman ever being mentioned for a

789
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 3: head coaching job before he got the Arkansas job.

790
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: No, it sort of seemed out of nowhere. He was

791
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: in a good place. He was hired away to Georgia,

792
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe he'd be considered for a G

793
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: five type job after putting in all that time, well talking.

794
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 3: To him about what he wanted to do, offensively. You

795
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 3: could tell how much thought he'd put into this, how

796
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 3: much thought he'd put into if I ever run a program,

797
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:19,720
Speaker 3: This is how I wanted to be. He said, got

798
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 3: to do more rpo stuff, work with tempo, do all

799
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 3: the things that take advantage of all the rules.

800
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 2: And that's the right answer.

801
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 3: You know, it's not, Hey, We're going to ram it

802
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 3: down your throat because at Arkansas you're probably not going

803
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 3: to be able to recruit good enough players to do

804
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 3: that to Alabama, or to do that to Auburn, or

805
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 3: do that to LSU. You've got to find a way

806
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 3: to outscheme them at times. You've got to find a

807
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,280
Speaker 3: way to develop guys, to find under the radar guys.

808
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 2: And I think, you look at what he's done.

809
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 3: The Bury Otem thing is great because you've never been

810
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 3: head coach before. So you hire a guy who I

811
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 3: realized Barry odom just got fired. I'm not sure he

812
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 3: should have been fired at Missouri. I thought Barry Odin

813
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 3: was a very good leader at Missouri. You look at

814
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 3: the situation he had where the NCAA sanctions come down.

815
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 3: Basically every senior on that team could have left and

816
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:19,240
Speaker 3: transferred and played without penalty. He didn't lose a single player.

817
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 3: That tells you that he had built something there where

818
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 3: the players trusted him, where they liked him, they liked

819
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 3: the staff.

820
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 2: To have that guy there as a sounding board for

821
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:32,760
Speaker 2: Sam Pittman is critical.

822
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 3: I think it's hugely one of the things when I

823
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 3: look back on when Dabo got the job at Clemson,

824
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 3: not the interim job, but when they gave him the

825
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 3: full time job.

826
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 2: Two of his first hires were Woody McCorvey, who.

827
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 3: Was his position coach at Alabama, had been a position

828
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 3: coach at like half the schools in the SEC at

829
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 3: that point, just one of those guys who had been

830
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 3: there and seen everything, and so he was the chief

831
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 3: of staff. And then he hired Dan Brooks as the

832
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 3: defensive line coach, and Brooks had been at Tennessee as

833
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 3: the d line coach under Fohmer. He had been at

834
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 3: Florida where he under Galen Hall he recruited Emmitt Smith,

835
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 3: So I think or maybe he was there of Charlie Pell,

836
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 3: but he was one of those another been there, seeing everything,

837
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 3: done everything.

838
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 2: I think that helps.

839
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 3: That matters that you have that kind of wisdom and

840
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 3: experience on a staff. When you've not done it before. Now,

841
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 3: Pittman's not a super young guy, but he's never been

842
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 3: in that chair. He's never had to make those decisions.

843
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 3: Having owed him there gives him that sounding board. Briles,

844
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:35,280
Speaker 3: you know, offensively, not really sure which one's his because

845
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 3: at Florida State, is it was it his or Willies?

846
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 3: We know it was Arts when he was the offensive

847
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 3: coordinator at Baylor. I think the probably the closest distillation

848
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:50,240
Speaker 3: to which one's his is the twenty eighteen Houston offense,

849
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 3: which is far and good.

850
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,399
Speaker 2: So I like that.

851
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 3: I think, you know, you've got a guy who's experienced

852
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 3: recruiting Texas, who's experienced recruiting quarter Texas, and let's be honest,

853
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,919
Speaker 3: Arkansas should have quarterbacks from Texas. That's that's the most

854
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 3: logical place for them to go look for quarterbacks.

855
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take that as mild, maybe with some spicy honey,

856
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,439
Speaker 1: just because you kind of know what you're getting into. Yeah,

857
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: but you don't know what it's going to be super

858
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: hot or not.

859
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,760
Speaker 3: It's still it's a first time head coach who, yeah,

860
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 3: to that point, had not really he while he'd been

861
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 3: interested in being a head coach, I don't know that

862
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 3: he exhibited the trailer have been allowed to exhibit the

863
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,919
Speaker 3: traits of a head great, right, So.

864
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you didn't hear about like he's a finalist with

865
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 1: this guy for this interesting job that was the name

866
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: never came up like that.

867
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, Now I think that I think that's more of

868
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 3: stereotyping offensive line coaches than anything else, and I'm glad

869
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 3: to see it. As you know, the the online coaches

870
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 3: are very thoughtful people. They're very smart. They look at

871
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 3: the game in a different way and you look at

872
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 3: look at the guys now christ of All, Matt Campbell,

873
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 3: Kirk Farence, there's some really good head coaches who were

874
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 3: all line coaches.

875
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: Fair. I don't know what to think about Eli Drinkwitz.

876
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: I know he comes in with people thinking he's smart.

877
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 1: The NC State offense was pretty good under him. He

878
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: was at Boise's at Arkansas State from the gust Tree.

879
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: I think he was at Springdale with Gus as well,

880
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: but he just sort of kept everything going after Scott

881
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,959
Speaker 1: Saderfield leaves app State and he's gone after a year,

882
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,439
Speaker 1: and so I don't know how it can be viewed

883
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 1: as anything other than incomplete.

884
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 3: Well, I'm with you. So two things in the state

885
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 3: of North Carolina. Yeah, he's the head coach at Apleachian

886
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 3: State for a year. They're really good, but they were

887
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 3: really good under under Scott Saderfield and Jerry Moore, right,

888
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 3: I mean, they've always been really good at Appalachian State.

889
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 3: How much of that is what was already in place,

890
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 3: the players that were already recruited. So there's that you

891
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 3: don't know, and we won't know the answer to that

892
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 3: really probably until we've seen him coach at Missouri.

893
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 2: What we do know, though, is it NC State fell

894
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 2: apart when he left.

895
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.

896
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 3: So I do think that is a sort of a

897
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 3: notch in his favor, unfortunately for Ency State that when

898
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 3: he took off, NC State suddenly became a very bad football.

899
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: Team, especially on offense.

900
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you could say he was the straw that

901
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 2: stirred the drink quits.

902
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 1: Oh, you've been sitting on that. I like it, though,

903
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: I was sitting on my hiring firing perspiring thing. There's

904
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: no reason you can't.

905
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 3: Well listen, A long list of Jaron's is probably way

906
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 3: better than one bad pun.

907
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll take it, So I take it as mild

908
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: just because you don't know exactly like the hires have been. Okay,

909
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: it seems it just it's hard to look at him

910
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: and say, all right, I know exactly what Miszoo is

911
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,879
Speaker 1: going to look like moving forward. Because when they were successful,

912
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,760
Speaker 1: it was a long time experienced head coach who slowly

913
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: built the program into what they were, which was an

914
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: SEC East champion.

915
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'll say this again. I say this every

916
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 3: time his name comes up.

917
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 2: But we do not give.

918
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 3: Gary Pinkell enough credit. No, Gary Pinkell was a miracle worker.

919
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 3: And that twenty thirteen Missouri team, had there been a playoff,

920
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 3: might have made it and might have might have done

921
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 3: something real special. That That team was awesome. That's the

922
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 3: one that lost to Auburn and maybe the most one

923
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 3: of the most fun SEC Championship games ever played. That

924
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 3: team was loaded, and we just we do not give

925
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 3: Gary Pinkle. This is the same thing I was saying

926
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 3: about Mississippi State with Dan Mullen, where they won so

927
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 3: many games under him that they started to think it

928
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:37,439
Speaker 3: was easy to win there.

929
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: Right.

930
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 3: I think Missouri was the same thing. Gary Pinkell was

931
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 3: so good for so long that they thought, hey, this

932
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 3: is just normal. Well, it's never been normal for Missouri.

933
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: No, they were really good in the Big twelve, really

934
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: good in the SEC East under him. And by the way,

935
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: to bring it back to Barry otom that I think

936
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: was twenty fifteen defense that he coordinated for Miszoo was

937
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: like a top five national defense with a bottom five

938
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: national offense, which seems like do well.

939
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:10,399
Speaker 3: No. Remember, the ultimate of that is that you're at

940
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 3: Boston College when Don Brown was the DC, where they

941
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 3: were the number one defense and the dead last offense.

942
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: It's unbold. I can't imagine how taxing and frustrating that

943
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: has to be. So I guess good for that a

944
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: coordinator who's able to keep a team focused like that.

945
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,280
Speaker 1: And there's a reason Don Brown has succeeded before Ohio

946
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 1: State games, and there's a reason I think Barry Odom

947
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: will keep succeeding.

948
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 2: I am with you there. Now.

949
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 3: The question is can Arkansas bring in enough talent with

950
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 3: Barry Otam there to and in Sam Pittman there to

951
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 3: beat the teams that are in their division. Because you

952
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,760
Speaker 3: know that's the part when we talk about these SECU

953
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 3: West jobs with Leech, with Kiffen, with Pittman, these are

954
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 3: all the bottom of the SEC West jobs. You know,

955
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 3: you've got the defending national champs. You've got the program

956
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 3: that's been the best program in college football for the

957
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 3: last ten years, Alabama. You've got Auburn, which is every

958
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 3: other year really really good. You've got Texas A and M,

959
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 3: which is paying a guy seven point five million dollars

960
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 3: a year and he'd better win soon. And oh, by

961
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,439
Speaker 3: the way, he does have a pretty good roster right now.

962
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 3: So that's the issue with all those SEC West hires,

963
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 3: because you know, I think Arkansas fans are happy now

964
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 3: that they've gotten here, Pipman. I think they weren't quite

965
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 3: as jazz at first. But like Ole miss fans are

966
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 3: over the moon. Mississippi State fans are over the moon.

967
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 3: They I hope they don't think this means they're going

968
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 3: to win SEC championships.

969
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: I believe that they don't. Let's go quickly to coordinators

970
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: entering into situations where a head coach already exists. There's

971
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: a lot with the last name M. So I guess

972
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: which of these names won or meant multiple get as

973
00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:02,280
Speaker 1: close to frozen TP status to you. We've got morehead Morris, Musgrave,

974
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: Monkin and Meacham are your big ms. So it's a

975
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: really nice year for m offensive coordinators. And then some

976
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 1: other notables Tom or Tommy Reese, depending on who you

977
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,760
Speaker 1: are at Notre Dame to go Tommy Miami. Let's stick Tommy,

978
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: Mike Bobo at South Carolina, Kirk Sharraka if I'm pronouncing

979
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 1: that correctly at Penn State, yep, Mike, you're sick of

980
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: Texas and John Donovan at Washington. So where is the

981
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: highest potential for extreme pain in the best possible way.

982
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 2: That's Monk and at Georgia. Now, okay, there's also potential

983
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 2: for it.

984
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 3: Not going so well, but that's the one where if

985
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 3: it works, they take.

986
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 2: The next step. Because this looks.

987
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:48,240
Speaker 3: Like Kirby Smart saying we need to have a different

988
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 3: DNA on offense. We need to have a different offensive philosophy.

989
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 3: I'm going to bring in a guy who's run the

990
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:57,399
Speaker 3: air raid, who's been in the NFL, who understands all

991
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 3: the different ways you can move the football down the field,

992
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna put him with Jamie Newman, who they

993
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 3: got from Wake Forrest as a grad transfer, and we

994
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 3: are going to be a different offense because George is

995
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 3: gonna be great on defense next year not good, not

996
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,399
Speaker 3: pretty good. They're gonna be great on defense if their

997
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 3: offense is adequate gets you the SEC's title. Pretty good

998
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:27,280
Speaker 3: probably wins you the SEC, and then really good wins

999
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 3: you a national title in that situation. So that's that's

1000
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 3: the part that where it could really go well. It

1001
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 3: has a very high upside. Now I don't know that

1002
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 3: it will go that well as he comes in with

1003
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,479
Speaker 3: a not really bringing his own staff. You know, Matt

1004
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 3: Luke's running the offensive line. He's a former head coach.

1005
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,919
Speaker 3: You've got guys who've been with Kirby since he got there. Now,

1006
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 3: the Matt Luke thing, I think is interesting too because

1007
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 3: of all the people you could have as a position

1008
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 3: coach who's a former head coach. Because a lot of

1009
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 3: times when you have a former head coach as a

1010
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 3: position coach, that OC is gonna get a little bit

1011
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 3: intimidated or there's gonna be some friction there. You don't

1012
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 3: have to worry about that with Matt Luke. Matt Luke

1013
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 3: is not that guy. His ego is not big.

1014
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 2: He's not gonna sit there and go, well, this is

1015
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 2: how we did it at Old Miss Right.

1016
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 3: That's a situation where you'll have a guy one who's

1017
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 3: been through it all and is willing to help you.

1018
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 3: And I think that that's a big thing. I was

1019
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,879
Speaker 3: worried when they lost Sam Pittman, just because what's gonna

1020
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 3: happen with their offensive line? But they got Luke, who

1021
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 3: is a good offensive line coach. And I think the

1022
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 3: fact that he's been a head coach in the SEC,

1023
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 3: and that he's very well versed in a bunch of

1024
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 3: different kinds of offenses because remember he worked for David Cutcliffe,

1025
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 3: he worked with Hugh Freeze, Phil Longo was his oc

1026
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 3: when he was at Ole Miss, So he's seen a

1027
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 3: lot of different variations come through.

1028
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 2: I think that's very helpful.

1029
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 1: And and he's already coached these players because he only

1030
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,760
Speaker 1: took a month off. It's already coached charge of players exactly.

1031
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 2: It's amazing.

1032
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 3: So you know, I also think I also think Kirby

1033
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 3: Smart's willingness to make this change, yeah, is an important thing.

1034
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 3: I think that we can't just gloss over that because

1035
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 3: the concern with Kirby was that he was going to

1036
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 3: be too stubborn, that he was going to be like

1037
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,240
Speaker 3: Jimbo Fisher at the end of his Florida State tenure

1038
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 3: where he could have done some more things, but he

1039
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 3: just refused to change. And it's like Kirby I think, realized, Hey,

1040
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Nick Saban's so good. He's

1041
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 3: willing to change, He's willing to adapt and sometimes before

1042
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 3: everyone else is. So I think his willingness to adapt

1043
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 3: shows that Kirby smart is deadly serious about this and

1044
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 3: is not going to sit there and say, well, I'm

1045
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 3: I'm the genius, that we're going to do it the

1046
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 3: way I want to and that's the only way we

1047
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 3: can do it. That is a big deal given the

1048
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 3: amount of talent they have.

1049
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: When you look at the defensive coordinator hires going into

1050
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 1: situations where the head coach is already in place, it

1051
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 1: seems like a who's who of like twenty fourteen hot names.

1052
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:10,919
Speaker 1: It's Paul Rhodes, Tony Gibson, Bob Diaco, Chris ash Todd

1053
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: Orlando and obviously Justin Hamilton steps in for Bud Foster

1054
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 1: Virginia Tech and Kerry Coombs in for Jeff Halfley at

1055
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:22,800
Speaker 1: Ohio State. Is there a clear resurrection candidate to perhaps

1056
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:26,240
Speaker 1: go from mild to medium where their name stands now.

1057
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 3: Well, I want to see some staff meetings with Jeff

1058
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 3: Brahm and Bob Diacos as the season goes on. Yeah,

1059
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 3: I'm pretty excited about that because, for those who don't know,

1060
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 3: Jeff Brom's pretty pretty spicy guy himself, and Bob Diaco

1061
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 3: is a little out there sometimes.

1062
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 2: So that could be come October if they have a.

1063
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 3: Weird game where they give up more points than Jeff

1064
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 3: Brom would prefer, that's gonna be a very interesting situation.

1065
00:53:58,200 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 3: One you didn't have on your list that I think

1066
00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:02,879
Speaker 3: is is an interesting one. Zach Barnett at Mississippi State.

1067
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,240
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, coming from San Diego State. Now, I remember

1068
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:11,439
Speaker 3: he Arnette initially took the Syracuse job and then went,

1069
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 3: you know, changed his mind, decided to go to Matt Lubick. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly,

1070
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 3: And so now he is he is in Starkville running

1071
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 3: in the three three five where, you know, in the

1072
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 3: state of Mississippi's where the three three five was invented, Starkville, Misissippi.

1073
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 2: Joly done.

1074
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 3: So I like that that they were, you know, with

1075
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 3: the defense at San Diego State. It's sort of hard

1076
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 3: to tell because Rocky Long obviously had such a big

1077
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 3: hand in it. But I thought Danny Gonzalez when he left,

1078
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 3: did a really good job at Arizona State. He's now

1079
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 3: the head coach at New Mexico. So if Arnett can

1080
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:49,839
Speaker 3: can do what Danna Gonzales did, where he brings what

1081
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 3: Rocky Long had taught and can travel with it, I

1082
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 3: think that could be good because I kept I said before,

1083
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 3: Leech has never had this kind of talent. Honest, Remember

1084
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 3: at Mississippi State, you're gonna have talent, but the bulk

1085
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:07,280
Speaker 3: of the really elite.

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Speaker 2: Talent at a place like that is gonna be on

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Speaker 2: your defense.

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00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,879
Speaker 3: So you need a really good defensive coordinator, really good

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Speaker 3: defensive scheme to make that work. The three three five,

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00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 3: I mean, I realized you get a little sentimental about

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00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,280
Speaker 3: it because it is Misssippi State. But I think given

1092
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,399
Speaker 3: today's offense, is that that's a pretty smart way to go.

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Speaker 3: And then they had three first round draft picks on

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00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 3: defense just this past draft. You know they have access

1095
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 3: to that kind of talent. If this guy does a

1096
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 3: good job, his next job is a seven figure job.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Good to know. Before we go, I promise we

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Speaker 1: do a show within the show. I know you've only

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Speaker 1: got a couple of minutes left here. You have obviously

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00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 1: displayed your acumen for hot chicken. Either I guess a

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00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: dry dusting of spice or a mop of some sort

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00:55:56,080 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 1: of marinateive spice. I'm gonna flip it. Do you have

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00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 1: a blind spot? A fried chicken blind spot? If you

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00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 1: go to any number of countries, they have their own

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00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:10,800
Speaker 1: version of fried chicken. I think I have one of mine.

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00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 1: But is there a species? Is there a genus of

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00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 1: fried chicken that you're like, I need to get my

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00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 1: hands on what this culture is doing.

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Speaker 2: The Vietnamese fish sauce wings, Yes, are amazing.

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Speaker 3: You're you know Pock Pock in Portland is the place

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00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 3: that made those popular in this country. Those things are

1112
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 3: spectacular and you'll find those around the country. The Korean

1113
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 3: spicy wine, Oh my god, which there's It's kind of

1114
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:41,320
Speaker 3: sweet and spicy at the same time. I found a

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00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 3: really good place in Chicago called doc which is right

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00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 3: next to the the Loyola Chicago.

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00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: The underrated Korean town.

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00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the place that made the final four a

1119
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 3: few years ago, so just down the street from their campus.

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Speaker 2: Beautiful wings. They're delicious.

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00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 3: And then there's place in Salt Lake City, and it's

1122
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,720
Speaker 3: weird because you think this would be a very common thing,

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00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 3: and it was the first I've ever heard of it,

1124
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 3: and I googled afterward to try to say, well, there's

1125
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 3: got to be more of these in other towns, and

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00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 3: there really aren't. There's a lot of home chefs do this,

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00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 3: but you don't find a lot of restaurants that do it.

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00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 2: Curry fried chicken.

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00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 1: I was gonna actually jump in with something similar.

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00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 3: Continue, Yeah, so the places in Salt Lake is actually

1131
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 3: just called curry fried chicken. Oh okay, exactly what you

1132
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 3: what it sounds like, and it's it's delicious. I mean

1133
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 3: that those flavors just go really well together.

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Speaker 1: I was going to jump in with if a Japanese

1135
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: kitchen is dead set on cooking a certain type of

1136
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 1: food a certain way, that kitchen is probably going to

1137
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: do it really well. And I've had chicken katsu, which

1138
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: is like, yes, it's the thinned out fried chicken, and

1139
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: there will be like a curry factor in some dishes

1140
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,439
Speaker 1: over white rice or something like that. You're now seeing

1141
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: a lot of chicken kotsu like clubs on a Japanese

1142
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 1: milk bread with a slough. I need to have more

1143
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 1: chicken katsu in my life, and I need to figure

1144
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: out how that can happen as soon as humanly possible.

1145
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 2: If only you lived in a city with a varied.

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00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: Yes, I think that's what my focus on twenty twenty

1147
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 1: is going to be. I'm eating less meat for health reasons,

1148
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 1: but when I do eat meat, I'm making it count.

1149
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 1: And the Japanese chicken katsu tradition feels like it's one

1150
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 1: for me.

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00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 3: I think that's a great idea. Now, I'm going to

1152
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 3: make an announcement on your show. I'll probably expand on

1153
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 3: this on my show.

1154
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: Please, this is.

1155
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 2: My last hurra this weekend.

1156
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 3: I have decided that I exercise entirely too much to

1157
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 3: be this fat, and I am I am going to

1158
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 3: get my diet under control.

1159
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 2: Now.

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00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 3: That doesn't mean I'm gonna stop eating a lot of

1161
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 3: the fun things I eat. Yeah, it does mean I'm

1162
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 3: going to exercise a little more moderation.

1163
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 2: I am. I'm going to try the intermittent fasting.

1164
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 1: Oh, I do it right now. We can do a

1165
00:58:57,920 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 1: whole show about this.

1166
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 2: So when do you eat? What hours do you eat?

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00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: I will generally eat between twelve and eight or one

1168
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 1: and nine, So it's the sixteen hour of no eating,

1169
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 1: and it'll take like three days for you to get

1170
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: used to it if you can push through. I have

1171
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: black coffee and maybe sometimes green tea in the mornings,

1172
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 1: drink a lot of water because sometimes when you're hungry,

1173
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: you're actually thirsty. And then I'll eat lunch at twelve

1174
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: or one, have a little bit of a snack, eat

1175
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 1: dinner seven or eight after the little man goes down,

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00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: and I feel pretty good. And like when you work

1177
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 1: out on a starved, starve time of your day, you

1178
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 1: actually burn more fat You're.

1179
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 3: Fat, which is which is painful. When you get into

1180
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 3: fat burning, you feel it. But that's what I need

1181
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 3: to Donna. I'm gonna try to get that under control.

1182
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 3: I think, given my schedule, eleven to seven is probably

1183
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 3: the best thing for me. I already know that green

1184
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 3: tea is going to be my new best friend, so

1185
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 3: I've been at the grocery store sort of scouting out

1186
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 3: the different green teas that that will probably be what

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01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 3: I drink in the morning because I'm gonna try the

1188
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 3: black coffee. I don't know that I can be a

1189
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 3: black coffee person. I just never have been. So what

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01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 3: I could do is just drink the green tea and

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01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 3: then when I do want to put some cream in

1192
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 3: my coffee, then I'll do it between eleven and seven

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Speaker 3: and have a little coffee.

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Speaker 1: But uh, it's not that difficult. It is not all

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01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 1: that difficult. You're just you're a little more thoughtful about

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Speaker 1: what you eat and when you eat it and.

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Speaker 2: Hurrying real reasons.

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Speaker 3: Via is the other thing that's okay because I'm a

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Speaker 3: now I'm a big, you know, sweetener type guy, like

1200
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 3: artificial shorer type guy. But you can't use the the sucralose,

1201
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 3: you can't use the aspartame, you can't use the sacharine.

1202
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 3: So no no yellows, no blues, and no pinks. You

1203
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 3: can only use the greens. So my sister in law

1204
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 3: carries liquid cevia with her in her purse. I think

1205
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna start doing that.

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Speaker 1: I think that's totally good. I sleep better, My digestion

1207
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 1: of metabolism is definitely better. And working out just there's

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01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 1: something very I'm trying to find the right word here,

1209
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 1: but it's it feels better to work out when you

1210
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 1: don't have something weighing you down because I'll work out

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Speaker 1: in the mornings, so I recommend it.

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Speaker 3: I'm a morning workout person too. That's that's I'm glad

1213
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 3: you said that, because that was something I was kind

1214
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 3: of worried about, is working out on an empty stomach?

1215
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 2: And what's that going to do to me?

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01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 3: But if if, if you, if you're right, and I

1217
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:26,919
Speaker 3: can get used to it, then it sort of works

1218
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 3: out very well because you never eat.

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01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 2: You don't really want to eat.

1220
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:31,959
Speaker 3: Right after you work out because you're feeling kind of now,

1221
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 3: you know, you just exerted yourself. And so that will

1222
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 3: put me ready to roll at eleven o'clock when I'm

1223
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 3: allowed to eat, And that way I can I can

1224
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 3: eat some you know, fairly balanced day's worth of food.

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01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you can eat a bigger dinner because you're

1226
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 1: gonna be digesting longer. It has to last you longer,

1227
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 1: and you get a sort of lighter lunch, but something

1228
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 1: that satisfies you that you're gonna be able to burn

1229
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 1: off responsibly. I recommend it.

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Speaker 2: I am very excited about this. My pants are already

1231
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 2: getting ready to be fit better, all right.

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01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 1: I like that we went from chat and chicken and

1233
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 1: the fried chicken that is singing to us in twenty twenty.

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01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 1: Onto breakfast is not a big deal unless you have

1235
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 1: some sort of blood issue or you're pregnant or something

1236
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 1: like that. That's what I feel.

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01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 2: Anyway, You're not pregnant, are you, Dan?

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01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 1: I am not. I can confirm right here. Everybody listened

1239
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 1: to the Andy Staples Show. A good starting point would

1240
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 1: be and I listened to this recently. Andy did a

1241
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 1: show with Nicole auerback right after the National Championship game,

1242
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 1: putting LSU's run and game into context and everything that

1243
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 1: needed to happen to get them to that point. That's

1244
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 1: the good stuff that you can listen to on a

1245
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 1: podcast that you don't have time for on a radio

1246
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 1: show or a TV hit or something like that. That's

1247
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 1: why you should listen to the Andy Staples Show. It's

1248
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 1: available wherever podcasts are available. But you should also subscribe

1249
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 1: to The Athletic because I think there's bonus podcast content

1250
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 1: on there. There's probably a deal and there's one hundred

1251
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 1: percent chicken content on the Athletic dot com.

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01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 2: So much chicken there it is.

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Speaker 1: Andy, Thank you very much for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Thank them