WEBVTT - Dennis Rader [8]

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<v Speaker 3>It could be a breakthrough in the BTK investigation in

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<v Speaker 3>just a couple of hours, which you tall. Police are

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<v Speaker 3>expected to release new information about the BTK case. Police

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<v Speaker 3>took a person of interest.

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<v Speaker 4>In for questioning.

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<v Speaker 3>Cake News has learned police are expected to say that

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<v Speaker 3>person is indeed a suspect in the BTK case.

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<v Speaker 5>The day he was arrested, I was at the mall

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<v Speaker 5>because it was in the morning before we went to

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<v Speaker 5>work at two o'clock, and the boss called and said,

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<v Speaker 5>you got to get into work right away. I said,

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<v Speaker 5>why where Almost positive BTK was caught. I was standing

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<v Speaker 5>in the middle of the mall. The mall started going

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<v Speaker 5>round and round and round, and I thought, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm going to faint. I'm going to faint, and I

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<v Speaker 5>started crying, and I sat down and put my head

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<v Speaker 5>between my legs. That was over a news story. We've

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<v Speaker 5>never done that before, but it involved us so much

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<v Speaker 5>that we became part of the fear, part of the story,

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<v Speaker 5>part of the extreme relief. When he was finally caught,

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<v Speaker 5>I remember I started to cry, thinking to myself, the

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<v Speaker 5>nightmare is over for Wichita.

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<v Speaker 6>Someone killed four members of a family.

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<v Speaker 7>Hedge vanished from her home suddenly last weekend. Her phone

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<v Speaker 7>lines had been cut, her door left open.

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<v Speaker 8>You see the victim playing there with plastic bags over

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<v Speaker 8>their heads, strangled.

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<v Speaker 9>You could tell there was a plan scenario.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, police have said no more about the contents of

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<v Speaker 10>the letter. It does contain some sort of threat and

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<v Speaker 10>implies the killer may strike again.

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<v Speaker 4>He's going to play with these victims.

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<v Speaker 11>He'd get him to the point of death and then

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<v Speaker 11>bring them back and then brings them back to the

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<v Speaker 11>point of death.

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<v Speaker 5>From My Heart Podcasts and Tenderfoot TV. I'm Susan Peters

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<v Speaker 5>and this is Monster BTK. On February twenty fourth, two

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<v Speaker 5>thousand and five, the Wichita Police Department, alongside the KBI

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<v Speaker 5>and FBI, received the news they had been waiting for

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<v Speaker 5>the DNA preserved from the nineteen seventy four Otero killings

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<v Speaker 5>matched Dennis Rader. It was time to execute and arrest,

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<v Speaker 5>and they were ready. Over the past week, the police

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<v Speaker 5>had stalked Raider, marking every aspect of his daily routine.

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<v Speaker 5>They tailored their arrest to his patterns, planning every single

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<v Speaker 5>element down to the minute the arrest would occur. Raider

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<v Speaker 5>would not get away this time. The police officers, investigators,

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<v Speaker 5>and lawyers who had put in countless hours tracking down

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<v Speaker 5>BTK over the last year, were brimming with tension. They

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<v Speaker 5>went home to tell their families that tomorrow they may

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<v Speaker 5>finally get their guy. Here's former Sedgwick County Deputy District

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<v Speaker 5>Attorney Kevin O'Connor.

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<v Speaker 9>When we did finally find and knew we were going

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<v Speaker 9>to arrest Ennis Raider, it was the night before. All

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<v Speaker 9>plans were made, all search warrants were prepared, the arrest

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<v Speaker 9>team was identified, the plan of action was done. It

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<v Speaker 9>was really very impressive, almost like an army maneuver type

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<v Speaker 9>of planning. I mean they even have it down to

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<v Speaker 9>who was going to put the cuffs on them, who

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<v Speaker 9>was going to walk them back to the car that

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<v Speaker 9>Kenny Landware was going to be in, and they said

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<v Speaker 9>go home, you can tell your loved ones what you're doing,

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<v Speaker 9>and that there's going to be arrest the next day.

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<v Speaker 9>And I remember going home and telling my wife. I said,

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<v Speaker 9>I have something to tell you, and she sat down

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<v Speaker 9>and she started crying, and I go, what, why are

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<v Speaker 9>you crying? And she goes, you're going to tell me

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<v Speaker 9>you're having an affair, and I go, no, I go,

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<v Speaker 9>We're going to arrest Betk tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 5>On the morning of February twenty fifth, the arrest team

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<v Speaker 5>slipped quietly into Park City.

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<v Speaker 2>On that day.

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<v Speaker 9>I remember it was radio silence, and it was time coordinated,

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<v Speaker 9>so everybody moved at the same time so as not

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<v Speaker 9>to tip him off, because we didn't know what access

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<v Speaker 9>he had to police radio, police scanners. There was a

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<v Speaker 9>concern about somebody who was able to commit crimes over

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<v Speaker 9>a thirty year period, how savvy he might be and

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<v Speaker 9>how aware he might be, and then knowing that he's

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<v Speaker 9>on the other side of a wall from a police department,

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<v Speaker 9>so we raided essentially Park City City Hall.

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<v Speaker 5>The arrest was scheduled for twelve to fifteen PM, when

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<v Speaker 5>Raider would make his way home from his Park City office,

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<v Speaker 5>as he did every Friday. They spent all morning staging

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<v Speaker 5>cops into their positions. Backing the arrest team were more

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<v Speaker 5>than two hundred people, many of them assigned to simultaneous searches.

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<v Speaker 9>We planned it that the search warrants would be executed

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<v Speaker 9>at the same time, so as Dennis Raider was being arrested,

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<v Speaker 9>these search warrants were then being executed. We didn't want

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<v Speaker 9>to serve a search warrant at the Park City Library

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<v Speaker 9>and Dennis Raider would be sitting at the Park City

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<v Speaker 9>Police Department and become aware that the FBI and the

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<v Speaker 9>Wichtap Police Department were serving a warrant at the Park

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<v Speaker 9>City Library.

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<v Speaker 5>In addition to the arrest team, they had prepped the

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<v Speaker 5>bomb unit, a computer seizure team, relief teams, and interview teams.

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<v Speaker 5>While police prepared, they worried the news would leak to

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<v Speaker 5>the media, jeopardizing the success of their arrest. Land where

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<v Speaker 5>wanted Raider in police custody. The media frenzy began, but

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<v Speaker 5>by nine am, the buzzing had already started.

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<v Speaker 10>Now we've been hearing from sources that police are waiting

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<v Speaker 10>for d and a results. If this is the man

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<v Speaker 10>and they do get a match, it is going to

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<v Speaker 10>be very tough for them to keep this quiet.

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<v Speaker 5>They stealed their nerves and told themselves they would not

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<v Speaker 5>fumble the most historic day of their careers. The arrest

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<v Speaker 5>team lined up on a side street in Park City,

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<v Speaker 5>two blocks from Raider's house. Officers Dan Hardy and Scott

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<v Speaker 5>Moon were first in line and would be the ones

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<v Speaker 5>to initially pull Raider over. Their fleet included four other

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<v Speaker 5>vehicles and nine other men, including Dana Gouge, Kelly Otis,

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<v Speaker 5>and Kenny Landware. Everyone wore body armor. They didn't know

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<v Speaker 5>how Raider would react to his arrest and prepared for

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<v Speaker 5>the worst. The minutes till go time ticked by. Finally,

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<v Speaker 5>their radio switched on. He's on the move, a voice said.

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<v Speaker 5>Over the next few moments, an officer in an unmarked

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<v Speaker 5>car tailed Raider, reporting on his every turn. Raider was

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<v Speaker 5>making his way home for lunch with his wife, Paula. Unsuspecting,

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<v Speaker 5>he pulled past the line of cops lying in wait

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<v Speaker 5>to arrest him. Officers Hardy and Moon let him pass

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<v Speaker 5>before gunning the engine, pulling up behind Raider and flipping

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<v Speaker 5>the flashing lights on the front of the car. Raider, ever,

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<v Speaker 5>the obedient citizen pulled over. Immediately, the arrest team surrounded Raider,

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<v Speaker 5>guns drawn and ordered him to the ground. Raider, for

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<v Speaker 5>his part, remained calm and collected. He turned to the

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<v Speaker 5>police and asked, with a straight face.

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<v Speaker 4>Would you please call my wife? She was expecting me

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<v Speaker 4>for lunch. I assume you know where I live.

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<v Speaker 5>He slipped into the cold serial killer role he had

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<v Speaker 5>crafted for himself over the last thirty years. Kevin O'Connor

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<v Speaker 5>says as police handcuffed him, he played up the dramatics.

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<v Speaker 9>When Rader got into the car after being arrested, they

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<v Speaker 9>walked him back to a car that Kenny Landweer was

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<v Speaker 9>in and they opened the door and he says, well, hello, mister.

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<v Speaker 5>Landwere Later, in confession of a serial killer, Rader would say.

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<v Speaker 4>I did what Son of Sam did.

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<v Speaker 5>Rader often looked to the other serial killers of the

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<v Speaker 5>time for inspiration. David Burkerwood's aka Son of Sam killed

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<v Speaker 5>six people between nineteen seventy six and seventy seven in

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<v Speaker 5>New York City. This is a clip from the Today

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<v Speaker 5>Show on the Dave Berkowitz was arrested when he.

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<v Speaker 12>Was arrested late last night in his apartment at Yunkers.

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<v Speaker 4>New York.

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<v Speaker 12>He told the officers, Okay, you've got me.

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<v Speaker 5>Police carried Raider off and would in short order hold

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<v Speaker 5>him for thirty six hours of questioning while WPD officers

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<v Speaker 5>and FBI made the arrest. The prosecutors prepped the interview room.

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<v Speaker 9>When they arrested him and brought him up to the

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<v Speaker 9>Epic Center, there was a interview room that was prepared.

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<v Speaker 9>It was an old copy room from this office, and

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<v Speaker 9>I remember my boss, Nola Folston going in there and

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<v Speaker 9>turning the table around till you could initially see the

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<v Speaker 9>detective land wherein the guy from the FBI, Bob Morton,

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<v Speaker 9>who started the initial interview, and then Raider on the

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<v Speaker 9>other side. Well, Nola came in and switched it around

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<v Speaker 9>where the camera would be on Dennis Rader, with the

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<v Speaker 9>law enforcement officers with their backs to the camera.

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<v Speaker 5>Folston was thinking ahead to the trial. Looking into Rayder's

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<v Speaker 5>eyes as he was interrogated about his heinous crimes would

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<v Speaker 5>have a greater impact on the jury and put a

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<v Speaker 5>face to the previously faceless monster of Wichita's history. Just

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<v Speaker 5>twenty minutes after Raider had been ordered to the ground

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<v Speaker 5>Land where and Morton brought him into the interview room

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<v Speaker 5>and handcuffed him to the table. They had planned to

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<v Speaker 5>play up the good cop interview tactic the arresting officers

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<v Speaker 5>had played the bad cops in the interrogation room. Land

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<v Speaker 5>Where introduced Raider to Detective Dana Guage, who held a

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<v Speaker 5>search warrant to collect Raider's DNA. They swabbed him and

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<v Speaker 5>sent the test off to confirm what Carrie Rawson's DNA

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<v Speaker 5>had proved just a day earlier. Two went to the

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<v Speaker 5>County forensics lab and two to the KBI lab in Topeka.

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<v Speaker 5>Rader agreed to talk, but he wouldn't make it easy

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<v Speaker 5>for them. He never even questioned why he was being interviewed.

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<v Speaker 5>To him, this was his fifteen minutes in the spotlight.

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<v Speaker 5>Here's Catherine Ramsland.

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<v Speaker 13>When they brought him in for interrogation, he did kind

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<v Speaker 13>of play a game for a little ways. He didn't

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<v Speaker 13>break down right away. He said, I'm just don't want

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<v Speaker 13>to be I've been watching this all in the news.

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<v Speaker 13>You know, I know the cases really well, but I

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<v Speaker 13>really didn't do anything.

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<v Speaker 5>Land Where asked why the oteros had been murdered.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, if you take that murder and some of the others,

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<v Speaker 4>I would say, you've got a serial killer loose.

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<v Speaker 5>He asked Rader what he thought about BTK.

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<v Speaker 4>The killer is like a lone wolf, kind of like

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<v Speaker 4>a spy or something.

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<v Speaker 5>Fed up Land Where and Morton backed Raider into a corner.

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<v Speaker 13>They came back and said, well, we do have DNA

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<v Speaker 13>from some of these scenes.

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<v Speaker 5>Morton asked Rader what he thought would happen if his

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<v Speaker 5>DNA matched btk's.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess that might be it.

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<v Speaker 13>Then he was shocked that they still had some preserved

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<v Speaker 13>DNA from even back as far as the Otaro's when

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<v Speaker 13>nobody even knew anything about DNA.

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<v Speaker 5>Back then, the walls were closing in on Raider. Land

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<v Speaker 5>where played his biggest hand. Here is an excerpt from

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<v Speaker 5>the Wichita Eagle book bind Torture Kill, read by a

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<v Speaker 5>voice actor.

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<v Speaker 14>He pulled out a purple computer disc, land Where told

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<v Speaker 14>Rader that this disc sent by BTK, appointed the cops

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<v Speaker 14>to Raider's church and to him, could he explain that?

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<v Speaker 5>Then Raider asked a few questions of his own.

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<v Speaker 4>Would BTK get the death penalty? BTK has killed some

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<v Speaker 4>kids and stuff? What would happen to btk's house, you guys,

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<v Speaker 4>have got me? How can I get out of it?

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<v Speaker 4>And finally, isn't any way you can get out of

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<v Speaker 4>DNA right?

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<v Speaker 5>Morton had had enough. He yelled at Raider, just tell

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<v Speaker 5>us who you are.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm BTK.

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<v Speaker 13>Once he realized there was no getting out of this,

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<v Speaker 13>he then admitted to all the murders and so, well,

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<v Speaker 13>since you know about seven, i'll tell you that some others.

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<v Speaker 10>For decades, it's been speculated BTK was responsible for more murders,

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<v Speaker 10>two murders in particular, the nineteen ninety one murder of

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<v Speaker 10>Dolores Davis and the nineteen eighty five murder of Marine Hedge.

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<v Speaker 10>Both women were found strangled and bound in Sedgwick County.

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<v Speaker 5>Land, where and Morton took a break. After three hours,

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<v Speaker 5>they had secured a confession. While the two men were

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<v Speaker 5>out of the room, Raider told KBI Special Agent in

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<v Speaker 5>charge Larry Thomas.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you guys got the evidence. There's no way I

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<v Speaker 4>can get out of it. I can't beat around the bush.

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<v Speaker 4>Whether it's a day or two or a week, you're

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<v Speaker 4>going to find it. So I might as well just

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<v Speaker 4>fess up. They'll probably find things that I've even forgotten about.

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<v Speaker 5>Raider would lead police to the evidence he had accumulated

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<v Speaker 5>over the last thirty years. Drawing a map of his home,

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<v Speaker 5>Rader pointed investigators to a stash of scrap books in

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<v Speaker 5>the cupboard, his collection of slick ads in the closet,

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<v Speaker 5>and his hit kit in another corner of the home.

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<v Speaker 5>The attic contained his old detective magazines. The car held

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<v Speaker 5>a shotgun and dolls like those mailed to the Wichitau Eagle.

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<v Speaker 5>The important evidence, however, he kept in his office. Here

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<v Speaker 5>again is an excerpt from bind Torture.

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<v Speaker 14>Kill at Raiders City Hall office, they found what he

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<v Speaker 14>called his mother load trophies in all his original writings.

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<v Speaker 14>In the bottom drawer of a cream colored filing cabinet,

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<v Speaker 14>they found seven three ring binders in more than twenty

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<v Speaker 14>five hanging file folders, newspaper clippings about many of the killings,

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<v Speaker 14>drawings depicting women bound at torture, machines of Raiders design,

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<v Speaker 14>a copy of the police wanted poster for the OTO homicides,

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<v Speaker 14>and computer discs that were labeled according to the chapters

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<v Speaker 14>of btk's book.

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<v Speaker 5>Descriptions of the mother Load fill five pages of the

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<v Speaker 5>State of Kansas's Summary of Evidence. A document prepared by

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<v Speaker 5>Kevin O'Connor that provides full accounts of Raider's crimes. It

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<v Speaker 5>took investigators a month to digitally record all of the

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<v Speaker 5>mother load. As evidence was collected from raiders, Park City

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<v Speaker 5>Office police interviewed him in pairs for over thirty hours.

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<v Speaker 5>The footage from these interviews filled seventeen DVDs, and in them,

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<v Speaker 5>Raider describes in chilling, matter of fact detail, the cold

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<v Speaker 5>blooded murder of ten people.

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<v Speaker 9>In looking at the drawings he made of Nancy Fox,

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<v Speaker 9>he will tell Detective Ralph that he's getting excited sexually

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<v Speaker 9>just remembering. He will even mimic Josephine Josie o'tero because

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<v Speaker 9>he killed her parents in front of her. He killed

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<v Speaker 9>her little brother in front of her, and he will

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<v Speaker 9>mimick her saying, don't hurt my mommy, don't hurt my mommy.

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<v Speaker 9>It's amazing to me the restraint that the law enforcement

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<v Speaker 9>officers had.

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<v Speaker 5>He attempted to joke around with the interviewers.

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<v Speaker 9>Once he started talking, they couldn't shut him up. He

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<v Speaker 9>became so comfortable that during a break in the interviewing,

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<v Speaker 9>he had a cup of some kind of drink and

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<v Speaker 9>the officer that came in to see if he wanted

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<v Speaker 9>to go to the bathroom or something. Said well, we

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<v Speaker 9>can put that drink for you in the refrigerator. He goes,

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<v Speaker 9>you just put your name on it. So he wrote

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<v Speaker 9>bt K on the cup.

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<v Speaker 11>So that's who he really was.

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<v Speaker 13>He wanted the notoriety. He does still kick himself over

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<v Speaker 13>the mistakes he made with that floppy disk, but once

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<v Speaker 13>caught okay, I'm just going to put it all out

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<v Speaker 13>there because i want to be famous.

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<v Speaker 5>The Wichita Police Department had kept the rumors at bay

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<v Speaker 5>for as long as possible, but the commotion in Park

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<v Speaker 5>City was heating up. Once Raider was in custody, they

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<v Speaker 5>knew it wouldn't be long before the news reports began.

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<v Speaker 12>As we've been telling you all day, they executed a

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<v Speaker 12>search warrant in Park City at a home. There's a

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<v Speaker 12>possible BTK suspect who is now in police custody. Police

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<v Speaker 12>have now called a Saturday morning news conference for ten am.

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<v Speaker 5>We were buzzing at Cake News. We followed each story

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<v Speaker 5>that day with any updates we had. By the six

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<v Speaker 5>pm newslaught, we were airing coverage from every critical location.

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<v Speaker 5>The announcement would be broadcast worldwide. We waited with baited breath.

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<v Speaker 5>In just fourteen hours, we would finally have our answer

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<v Speaker 5>to a thirty year old question. The next day, Saturday,

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<v Speaker 5>February twenty sixth, at ten am, Wichita Police gathered local,

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<v Speaker 5>state and federal law enforcement, regular citizens, and family members

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<v Speaker 5>of btk's victims into the City Council Auditorium. Local national

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<v Speaker 5>and international reporters set up cameras. CNN and MSNBC carried

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<v Speaker 5>the news conference live. The press conference lasted nearly an hour.

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<v Speaker 5>In total, eight people spoke. It wasn't until Sheriff Gary Steed,

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<v Speaker 5>sixth in the lineup of speakers, took the podium that

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<v Speaker 5>any real details were revealed.

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<v Speaker 15>I'm also pleased to announce today that we have brought

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<v Speaker 15>closure to two cases, and that of the homicides of

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<v Speaker 15>Marine Hedge and Dolores Davis Raiders.

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<v Speaker 8>Name.

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<v Speaker 5>What everyone had been hanging on the edge of their

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<v Speaker 5>seats waiting for wasn't even spoken until the very end.

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<v Speaker 11>Shortly afternoon. Yesterday afternoon, agents from the KBI, agents from

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<v Speaker 11>the FBI, and members of the Wichitak Police Department arrested

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<v Speaker 11>Dennis Raider, fifty nine, a white male in Park City, Kansas.

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<v Speaker 5>We shared the news with Wichita and the world.

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<v Speaker 4>The bottom line, BTK is arrested.

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<v Speaker 5>A quarter century search for Wichita's worst serial killer is over.

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<v Speaker 8>Good evening.

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<v Speaker 5>It is a day that will go down in Wichita history.

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<v Speaker 5>My coworkers and I exhaled the biggest news story of

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<v Speaker 5>our collective careers was finally hitting its closing sequence. Over

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<v Speaker 5>the twenty fifth and twenty sixth of February, the news

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<v Speaker 5>of raiders arrests shattered its way through the Wichita community.

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<v Speaker 5>Bob Smeiser, a member of Raider's church, Christ Lutheran, was

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<v Speaker 5>among the first group of church members to find out.

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<v Speaker 5>On the afternoon of the twenty fifth.

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<v Speaker 6>Short of Alzheimer's I'll never Forget It.

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<v Speaker 5>He had actually had plans with Rader for that weekend.

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<v Speaker 6>We were playing a fishing trip. He can never go,

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<v Speaker 6>but that year and five he said, yeah, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 6>go with the guests. He thought he was home free.

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<v Speaker 6>He thought I can just pop out and go, we

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<v Speaker 6>can go to this fishing trip. I'm the president of

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<v Speaker 6>the council now, and you know, and that would be

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<v Speaker 6>a good thing for me, you know, to go.

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<v Speaker 5>That fishing trip. Obviously, didn't happen.

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<v Speaker 6>So I got a call. Couldn't have been one o'clock yet,

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<v Speaker 6>I'll tell you. I said, Wellington at a communience store,

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<v Speaker 6>putting gas in my vand and my wife called him

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<v Speaker 6>and said, hey, Chan, just call something going on to church? Really,

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<v Speaker 6>I said, Mike's there. The police are there and they've

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<v Speaker 6>arrested Dnis. Sick to my stomach, not ready to accept

0:23:14.640 --> 0:23:18.320
<v Speaker 6>it at this point, but sick to my stomach. So

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<v Speaker 6>immediately started to call Mike, trying to get hold of

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<v Speaker 6>my of course he's busy with the investigators. And finally

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<v Speaker 6>get a hold of him and he said, I got

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<v Speaker 6>to get out of here. I got him out of

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<v Speaker 6>the church after they got done with the search, and

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<v Speaker 6>he went home. Dennis actually asked for him, but they

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<v Speaker 6>were not going it seems, so, you know. And once

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<v Speaker 6>Thenis started talking about today, just like him talk Why

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<v Speaker 6>wouldn't you.

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<v Speaker 5>The next morning, the day of the police news conference,

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<v Speaker 5>Smiser rose early and had it back to Christ Lutheran Church.

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<v Speaker 6>So Saturday morning and there there's five of us in there.

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<v Speaker 6>I can't even begin to tell you how surreal it was.

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<v Speaker 6>And we had to watch it from upstairs in that

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<v Speaker 6>part of the building because the only place we had

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<v Speaker 6>any TV reception. There isn't a lot to say, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>Stunned is still the best description. When the chief came

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<v Speaker 6>out and said we've caught BTK, denial was the first reaction.

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<v Speaker 6>And in the midst of that, the media started knocking

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<v Speaker 6>on the front door of the church. There was a

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<v Speaker 6>bunch of them, and it wasn't just a few hours

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<v Speaker 6>before national people were on.

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<v Speaker 8>Top of us.

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<v Speaker 5>Every news outlet was trying to get the story out.

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<v Speaker 5>An unfortunate consequence of the race to be first is

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<v Speaker 5>that it puts us at odds with those at the

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<v Speaker 5>very center of these monumental news events.

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<v Speaker 6>They had a council meeting. I was not on a council.

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<v Speaker 6>That's why I was at the front door. They called

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<v Speaker 6>us guards or something whatever, and we would try to

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<v Speaker 6>be very nice to everybody. It was a little harder

0:24:59.520 --> 0:25:03.280
<v Speaker 6>with some Another council broke up. One of the young

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<v Speaker 6>ladies that was on the council. She won't talk to anybody.

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<v Speaker 6>I get that. So I took her out the side

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<v Speaker 6>door and put her in her car, and one of

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<v Speaker 6>the guys from the Channel twelve came out and he

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<v Speaker 6>said Are you protecting her from us? And I said, no,

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<v Speaker 6>she just doesn't. She's said, I'm want to talk. At

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<v Speaker 6>that time, there were twenty or thirty people out there

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<v Speaker 6>and they tried everything. One of them brought a basket,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, it was oranges and apples, and I'd like

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<v Speaker 6>to get this Pastory Clark. I said, yeah, I suppose

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<v Speaker 6>you would, but no, that's not happening to day. And

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<v Speaker 6>there was a lot of that trying to get through

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<v Speaker 6>the gatekeeper.

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<v Speaker 5>The news was out to the world. With that came

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<v Speaker 5>the NonStop media requests and all the confusion, anger and

0:25:52.160 --> 0:25:56.680
<v Speaker 5>second guessing expected from discovering that a pillar of your

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<v Speaker 5>community was built on a lie.

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<v Speaker 6>I heard the chiefs say we've captured BTK. I don't

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<v Speaker 6>have any evidence of why. He didn't say, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>he's admitted to ten murders. So I was skeptical at

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<v Speaker 6>that point. For people outside, or at least in that

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<v Speaker 6>group and that church group, there was no belief that

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<v Speaker 6>this was a real thing, especially the older people that

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<v Speaker 6>people have been friends with, Dorothea, Dennis's mom and dad,

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<v Speaker 6>and Paula's mom and dad, the people that you know

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<v Speaker 6>had been our nucleus for years. Now they weren't ready

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<v Speaker 6>at that point. I'm not sure that I one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, I was angry with the chief. People interviewed

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<v Speaker 6>me outside the church on that Saturday, and I just said, listen,

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know that that's true. My sons they were

0:26:52.560 --> 0:26:56.639
<v Speaker 6>there that day that Sunday with all this media. The

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<v Speaker 6>night before, we had finally let the kids watched and

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<v Speaker 6>the picture came up Tennis and we said Tim was five,

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<v Speaker 6>he was about to be six if we watch quiet,

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<v Speaker 6>not asking any questions, and Tim sort of looked at

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<v Speaker 6>me and said, Dad, he tricked, used, didn't me yes,

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<v Speaker 6>And that's what he did.

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<v Speaker 5>The news hit Raider's own family even harder. Carrie Rawson

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<v Speaker 5>was a few states away at her home in Michigan

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<v Speaker 5>when she was notified.

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<v Speaker 7>February twenty fifth, two thousand and five. I was home

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<v Speaker 7>and I see this strange car parked out underneath this window.

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<v Speaker 7>It just it was out of place. I'm getting scared

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<v Speaker 7>because my dad had instilled such a stranger danger fairing

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<v Speaker 7>too me. They called my husband. I said, there's a

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<v Speaker 7>strange car with a man sitting in it. He's not moving.

0:27:53.920 --> 0:27:56.159
<v Speaker 7>I don't know what he's doing. I said, should I

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<v Speaker 7>call the police, So, in irony, almost called the police

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<v Speaker 7>on the FBI. I hear a knock on my door

0:28:03.320 --> 0:28:05.480
<v Speaker 7>and then he said on the other side of the door,

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<v Speaker 7>I'm with the FBI and I need to question you.

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<v Speaker 7>He said he was looking for Harry Raider Rosson and

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<v Speaker 7>he's like, is that you from Wichita, Kansas. I was

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<v Speaker 7>starting to calm down because I was like, oh, it

0:28:16.920 --> 0:28:20.560
<v Speaker 7>is the FBI. He's like, do you know about BTK?

0:28:21.640 --> 0:28:24.520
<v Speaker 7>And he just drops it, your dad is BTK.

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<v Speaker 5>In the studio with Payne Lindsay, she recounted the visceral

0:28:30.760 --> 0:28:33.080
<v Speaker 5>feelings this news brocked.

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<v Speaker 7>Everything just sears instant, like I can tell you where

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<v Speaker 7>the chocolate cake was that I hadn't made.

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<v Speaker 2>I can tell you the.

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<v Speaker 7>Color in my purse, orm my keys were color of

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<v Speaker 7>the kitchen towels instant. Did you ever think, no, he's not,

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<v Speaker 7>You're full of shit? It like, well, I mean at

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<v Speaker 7>that point, I've gone into physical shock. I'm shaking. I

0:28:59.680 --> 0:29:04.040
<v Speaker 7>shook for four days. He's realizing right away I'm not okay.

0:29:04.560 --> 0:29:07.800
<v Speaker 7>I'm spinning, literally about to pass out, and I make

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<v Speaker 7>it over to my couch. I asked the agent and

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<v Speaker 7>I'm like, well, can I call my Grandma Eileen, my

0:29:12.840 --> 0:29:15.160
<v Speaker 7>mom's mom that lives down the street from my parents,

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<v Speaker 7>And he said, yeah, you can call her, but you

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<v Speaker 7>can't tell her what's going on. So I called Grandma

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<v Speaker 7>Eileen and I said Dad's been arrested. I'd left out BTK,

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<v Speaker 7>but I said Dad's been arrested, and she says, oh shit,

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<v Speaker 7>and she says, hold on, I'll call you back, and

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<v Speaker 7>she walked out and down around the corner, looked past

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<v Speaker 7>missus Hedge's house and saw all of the crime scene

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<v Speaker 7>trucks and all of the police cars and FBI cars,

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<v Speaker 7>bomb disposal truck, everything down at my parents' house. My

0:29:44.600 --> 0:29:46.760
<v Speaker 7>grandma called me back, told us what was going on,

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<v Speaker 7>and then I have found out later they were picked

0:29:49.560 --> 0:29:52.000
<v Speaker 7>up not long after that and taken down to where

0:29:52.040 --> 0:29:54.040
<v Speaker 7>my mom was, and other family were picked up and

0:29:54.040 --> 0:29:55.120
<v Speaker 7>everyone was questioned.

0:29:57.920 --> 0:30:00.920
<v Speaker 5>It is hard to imagine how any us would react

0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:07.160
<v Speaker 5>in Carrie's situation. Understandably, it was very difficult to process.

0:30:08.520 --> 0:30:11.520
<v Speaker 7>I was trying to alibi my dad. I thought I

0:30:11.560 --> 0:30:13.880
<v Speaker 7>could sit there and prove right there, my dad's a

0:30:13.880 --> 0:30:17.240
<v Speaker 7>really great guy. Well, see, they had arrested the wrong

0:30:17.280 --> 0:30:21.520
<v Speaker 7>guy in December about four, my mom was being interviewed

0:30:21.600 --> 0:30:25.120
<v Speaker 7>by which TAB police and maybe KBIFBI, I'm not sure.

0:30:25.760 --> 0:30:27.600
<v Speaker 7>And she literally was saying, you got the wrong guy

0:30:27.640 --> 0:30:29.920
<v Speaker 7>in December, and you got the wrong guy again. You

0:30:29.960 --> 0:30:33.280
<v Speaker 7>know she was mad. I was mad too. You're just

0:30:33.400 --> 0:30:35.800
<v Speaker 7>very defensive with this person that you love that's only good,

0:30:36.480 --> 0:30:38.880
<v Speaker 7>and you're mad because you're like, you got the wrong guy.

0:30:39.800 --> 0:30:42.840
<v Speaker 7>So I'm sitting there and now my husband's Homi sitting

0:30:42.880 --> 0:30:45.240
<v Speaker 7>next to me. He's holding my hand where that I'm

0:30:45.280 --> 0:30:49.360
<v Speaker 7>basically completely falling apart. He's trying to astorb this. I'm

0:30:49.400 --> 0:30:51.239
<v Speaker 7>trying to alibi my dad. So I'm like, what are

0:30:51.280 --> 0:30:55.680
<v Speaker 7>the dates of the murders? The investigator gave me some

0:30:55.840 --> 0:30:57.960
<v Speaker 7>dates in the seventies, and I was like, I wasn't

0:30:58.000 --> 0:31:01.680
<v Speaker 7>alive then, and then he said September of eighty six,

0:31:02.720 --> 0:31:05.240
<v Speaker 7>and I said, I don't have memories of September of

0:31:05.320 --> 0:31:08.720
<v Speaker 7>eighty six other than I started third grade. And then

0:31:09.600 --> 0:31:14.640
<v Speaker 7>it hit. I remembered missus Hedge. My head sunk, and

0:31:14.680 --> 0:31:17.600
<v Speaker 7>it was like something steered inside of me, in my guts,

0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:19.920
<v Speaker 7>and I got really quiet, and it was like I

0:31:19.960 --> 0:31:23.240
<v Speaker 7>knew that Dad was BTK and had murdered missus Hedge.

0:31:24.160 --> 0:31:27.640
<v Speaker 7>I was Carrie and he was Dad, and then he

0:31:27.720 --> 0:31:30.320
<v Speaker 7>was arrested, and all of a sudden he was BTK

0:31:30.480 --> 0:31:34.080
<v Speaker 7>and I lost Carrie.

0:31:38.440 --> 0:31:42.840
<v Speaker 5>Carrie also talked about the way the arrest affected her mother, Paula.

0:31:44.080 --> 0:31:45.760
<v Speaker 7>Guy would spend a lot of time thinking about what

0:31:45.800 --> 0:31:47.440
<v Speaker 7>did I want to ask my mom and how much

0:31:47.480 --> 0:31:51.200
<v Speaker 7>can I push because she has a similar PTSD from

0:31:51.240 --> 0:31:54.800
<v Speaker 7>when she was notified and picked up. Everybody patted it

0:31:54.880 --> 0:31:58.960
<v Speaker 7>around my mom after the arrest. In John Douglas's book,

0:31:59.080 --> 0:32:01.400
<v Speaker 7>Keith talks about he was trying to get an idea

0:32:01.400 --> 0:32:04.120
<v Speaker 7>about my mom Paula, and he said the whole community

0:32:04.480 --> 0:32:07.680
<v Speaker 7>early on still they were very protective of her. They

0:32:07.800 --> 0:32:09.480
<v Speaker 7>they just surrounded her and took care of her, and

0:32:09.480 --> 0:32:13.840
<v Speaker 7>nobody really wanted to push her. My mom had been

0:32:14.160 --> 0:32:17.480
<v Speaker 7>gathlighted and conned by my father and thought he was

0:32:17.520 --> 0:32:20.520
<v Speaker 7>one thing and Harry has always been this other thing.

0:32:21.320 --> 0:32:25.560
<v Speaker 7>We are domestic abuse victims. I think my mom probably

0:32:25.560 --> 0:32:30.880
<v Speaker 7>does hold some answers, but we don't really go there.

0:32:31.760 --> 0:32:34.080
<v Speaker 7>My mom said it was like your dad died that day.

0:32:34.840 --> 0:32:36.040
<v Speaker 7>That's how she's dealt with it.

0:32:37.800 --> 0:32:42.640
<v Speaker 5>The news had broken Carrie and Paula's hearts. Raiders' murders

0:32:43.040 --> 0:32:48.560
<v Speaker 5>had broken six families, and those families were still waiting

0:32:49.200 --> 0:33:04.920
<v Speaker 5>on answers. Across the country, family members of Raiders victims

0:33:05.160 --> 0:33:10.240
<v Speaker 5>were receiving once in a lifetime phone calls. Jeff Davis's mother,

0:33:10.640 --> 0:33:14.800
<v Speaker 5>Dolores Davis, was murdered in January of nineteen ninety one.

0:33:15.560 --> 0:33:20.920
<v Speaker 5>She was Dennis Raider's last victim. Jeff spent years wondering

0:33:20.960 --> 0:33:25.480
<v Speaker 5>who his mother's killer was. Now his personal grief was

0:33:25.520 --> 0:33:28.200
<v Speaker 5>becoming part of Wichita's history.

0:33:29.800 --> 0:33:32.960
<v Speaker 8>I was writ in Memphis of that time, and I

0:33:33.120 --> 0:33:38.040
<v Speaker 8>was out playing pool in my favorite place on Friday afternoon,

0:33:38.840 --> 0:33:42.560
<v Speaker 8>and I got a call from the Sheriff's detjective and

0:33:42.600 --> 0:33:46.880
<v Speaker 8>all instead was we got him, but it wasn't children

0:33:46.880 --> 0:33:50.360
<v Speaker 8>the next morning, when Chief Williams of the police Department

0:33:50.800 --> 0:33:55.680
<v Speaker 8>and now they had Captain BGK, that I realized mom

0:33:55.880 --> 0:33:59.320
<v Speaker 8>was his victim and that he wasn't one of responsible.

0:34:00.360 --> 0:34:05.480
<v Speaker 8>I never suspected. For whatever reason, I never connected him

0:34:05.520 --> 0:34:05.840
<v Speaker 8>with it.

0:34:05.960 --> 0:34:07.000
<v Speaker 4>I don't know why.

0:34:07.440 --> 0:34:11.680
<v Speaker 8>It never crossed my mind. And literally I was ecstatic

0:34:11.920 --> 0:34:15.560
<v Speaker 8>that they caught ing, and of course we lived, and

0:34:15.640 --> 0:34:20.840
<v Speaker 8>all the painting had cost but it all happened so fast.

0:34:21.440 --> 0:34:25.560
<v Speaker 8>Once they announced that, my phone started ringing, and literally

0:34:25.880 --> 0:34:28.080
<v Speaker 8>he didn't quit ringing all day long.

0:34:29.680 --> 0:34:31.799
<v Speaker 5>Again, the news media cut in.

0:34:33.360 --> 0:34:36.960
<v Speaker 8>I couldn't take a call without another call cutting in

0:34:37.600 --> 0:34:42.839
<v Speaker 8>because I was talking to news outlets everywhere across the country,

0:34:42.920 --> 0:34:47.359
<v Speaker 8>and I was just overwhelmed. I remember going to bed

0:34:47.440 --> 0:34:51.960
<v Speaker 8>that next night exhausted because everything just hit like a

0:34:52.000 --> 0:34:52.560
<v Speaker 8>whole wind.

0:34:53.280 --> 0:34:53.920
<v Speaker 4>It was just.

0:34:53.960 --> 0:34:59.200
<v Speaker 8>A bizarre, kind of surrealistic situation. I'm still getting in

0:34:59.280 --> 0:35:02.520
<v Speaker 8>my head, well, a little human cockroach. She looks like

0:35:03.360 --> 0:35:05.360
<v Speaker 8>it took a while for an all to sink in it,

0:35:05.440 --> 0:35:07.719
<v Speaker 8>So I'm trying to say it took a while to

0:35:07.800 --> 0:35:11.320
<v Speaker 8>realize that it was him and that he was responsible

0:35:11.360 --> 0:35:15.399
<v Speaker 8>for everybody, to include my mother. In spite of all

0:35:15.520 --> 0:35:19.160
<v Speaker 8>the false alarms and the other speculations that had gone on,

0:35:20.000 --> 0:35:22.440
<v Speaker 8>he was the one. There was no doubt about that

0:35:22.560 --> 0:35:23.600
<v Speaker 8>at this point in time.

0:35:25.040 --> 0:35:27.960
<v Speaker 5>I can't imagine how it felt to learn the identity

0:35:28.000 --> 0:35:33.440
<v Speaker 5>of your mother's killer after fourteen years, to learn, along

0:35:33.440 --> 0:35:35.880
<v Speaker 5>with the rest of the world, that it was the

0:35:36.040 --> 0:35:42.839
<v Speaker 5>same man responsible for terrorizing your hometown since the nineteen seventies.

0:35:43.960 --> 0:35:46.080
<v Speaker 5>Jeff had to make his way back home.

0:35:47.280 --> 0:35:49.600
<v Speaker 8>I just started getting up and getting ready to get

0:35:49.640 --> 0:35:51.960
<v Speaker 8>myself be where I could get back. It was so

0:35:52.200 --> 0:35:53.440
<v Speaker 8>I could be a part of all that.

0:35:58.000 --> 0:36:01.800
<v Speaker 5>In New Mexico, Charlie Taro was trying to start over

0:36:02.040 --> 0:36:06.920
<v Speaker 5>after his time in prison. His two parents, Joseph and Julie,

0:36:07.239 --> 0:36:10.680
<v Speaker 5>and his younger siblings Josie and Joey, were the very

0:36:10.840 --> 0:36:16.719
<v Speaker 5>first victims of BTK. Their murders had forever changed the

0:36:16.800 --> 0:36:20.400
<v Speaker 5>trajectory of the eldest Otero's siblings life.

0:36:22.120 --> 0:36:24.360
<v Speaker 16>I was still in parole when he got caught. I

0:36:24.400 --> 0:36:27.279
<v Speaker 16>was in Albuquerque. I was working demolition. It was like

0:36:27.320 --> 0:36:29.960
<v Speaker 16>two weeks after I got out of prison. I was

0:36:30.040 --> 0:36:33.520
<v Speaker 16>blessed with having somebody hire me. The day I got

0:36:33.600 --> 0:36:35.640
<v Speaker 16>out of prison, I made a phone call. They hired

0:36:35.680 --> 0:36:38.200
<v Speaker 16>me up the next day. I was in their yard

0:36:38.400 --> 0:36:40.480
<v Speaker 16>one day and I was on my knees and I

0:36:40.560 --> 0:36:43.360
<v Speaker 16>was pulling up all these bushes. They had like twenty

0:36:43.640 --> 0:36:46.400
<v Speaker 16>little shrubs, and I was digging each one out, pullying.

0:36:46.480 --> 0:36:49.040
<v Speaker 16>I was taking me a couple of minutes apiece, and

0:36:49.080 --> 0:36:50.680
<v Speaker 16>the phone rings. I had my phone right here. I

0:36:50.719 --> 0:36:54.120
<v Speaker 16>picked up as my sister and she goes they caught him.

0:36:54.560 --> 0:36:56.239
<v Speaker 16>I'm said, are you serious, He goes says, Yep, they

0:36:56.239 --> 0:37:00.440
<v Speaker 16>got him, and then bushes were flying ten feet over

0:37:00.480 --> 0:37:02.480
<v Speaker 16>my head. I just started yanking him out of the

0:37:02.520 --> 0:37:05.399
<v Speaker 16>ground and they were flying over my head, and it's

0:37:05.520 --> 0:37:09.080
<v Speaker 16>like superhuman crazy stuff. That's how I found out.

0:37:10.440 --> 0:37:14.960
<v Speaker 5>Similar to Jeff's reaction, Charlie was angry.

0:37:15.680 --> 0:37:18.840
<v Speaker 16>Right then at that moment. I'm starting to plan my

0:37:18.920 --> 0:37:21.799
<v Speaker 16>revenge now that they got him, how am I going

0:37:21.840 --> 0:37:22.240
<v Speaker 16>to get.

0:37:22.120 --> 0:37:23.200
<v Speaker 4>My hands on him?

0:37:24.160 --> 0:37:27.279
<v Speaker 5>In Steve Ralford's case, I would be there when he

0:37:27.400 --> 0:37:32.359
<v Speaker 5>first learned the identity of Dennis Rader. Steve Ralford had

0:37:32.400 --> 0:37:37.239
<v Speaker 5>spent the last twenty eight years blaming himself for the

0:37:37.360 --> 0:37:41.680
<v Speaker 5>murder of his mother, Shirley Vyanne. Raider gained access to

0:37:41.760 --> 0:37:45.920
<v Speaker 5>Ryanne's home on the morning of March seventeenth, nineteen seventy seven,

0:37:46.640 --> 0:37:52.200
<v Speaker 5>after then five year old Steve opened the door, just

0:37:52.280 --> 0:37:56.400
<v Speaker 5>a few weeks before police caught BTK. I found Steve

0:37:56.760 --> 0:38:00.759
<v Speaker 5>and interviewed him for Cake TV. What would you do

0:38:00.800 --> 0:38:01.959
<v Speaker 5>if you met him face to face?

0:38:02.880 --> 0:38:09.720
<v Speaker 4>Oh God, he would suffer, Yes, me and me would suffer.

0:38:15.960 --> 0:38:21.800
<v Speaker 5>Once BTK had been arrested, I called Steve right away. Okay,

0:38:21.840 --> 0:38:25.680
<v Speaker 5>So the day he was caught you were in Las Vegas. Yeah,

0:38:26.120 --> 0:38:29.760
<v Speaker 5>And I called you and I said it was about

0:38:29.760 --> 0:38:32.640
<v Speaker 5>four weeks after I had interviewed you, so you were

0:38:32.680 --> 0:38:35.000
<v Speaker 5>probably like, Wow, they caught him that quickly, but it

0:38:35.560 --> 0:38:37.759
<v Speaker 5>had taken him a year. But I called you in

0:38:37.800 --> 0:38:44.920
<v Speaker 5>Las Vegas and I said, Steve, I think they caught BTK,

0:38:45.200 --> 0:38:49.719
<v Speaker 5>the man who murdered your mother. What'd you say to me?

0:38:51.120 --> 0:38:52.160
<v Speaker 4>I don't really remember.

0:38:53.160 --> 0:38:56.560
<v Speaker 15>I remember saying that fucking I'm going to ste him

0:38:56.600 --> 0:38:57.480
<v Speaker 15>right down away for money.

0:38:57.520 --> 0:38:58.160
<v Speaker 4>I'm here more.

0:38:59.080 --> 0:39:03.560
<v Speaker 5>That's exactly what you said. My team and I made

0:39:03.560 --> 0:39:07.200
<v Speaker 5>the decision to fly Steve back home to Wichita so

0:39:07.360 --> 0:39:11.680
<v Speaker 5>he could be there when the news was confirmed. The

0:39:11.719 --> 0:39:15.200
<v Speaker 5>following is a story we ran on Cake on February

0:39:15.239 --> 0:39:17.280
<v Speaker 5>twenty sixth, two thousand and five.

0:39:18.719 --> 0:39:22.680
<v Speaker 17>As Steve Ralford watches today's news briefing, the emotion comes immediately.

0:39:23.120 --> 0:39:25.400
<v Speaker 17>This is not only Steve's first time back in Wichita

0:39:25.400 --> 0:39:28.640
<v Speaker 17>since his mother's murder in nineteen seventy seven, but also

0:39:28.719 --> 0:39:31.719
<v Speaker 17>for the first time we show Steve the picture of

0:39:31.760 --> 0:39:32.920
<v Speaker 17>his mother's killer.

0:39:34.520 --> 0:39:39.400
<v Speaker 5>All right, yeah, what are you feeling right now?

0:39:40.760 --> 0:39:41.040
<v Speaker 4>Glen?

0:39:41.080 --> 0:39:45.000
<v Speaker 8>It cuts the bitch the mom conressed in peace.

0:39:49.360 --> 0:39:53.640
<v Speaker 5>Everyone in Wichita was grappling with what we'd learned. We

0:39:53.719 --> 0:39:57.440
<v Speaker 5>blamed ourselves for allowing this monster to live among us

0:39:57.840 --> 0:40:04.160
<v Speaker 5>for this long. We were leaved angry and confused. The

0:40:04.200 --> 0:40:06.600
<v Speaker 5>police did their best to tie up the loose ends

0:40:06.640 --> 0:40:11.280
<v Speaker 5>on this thirty year investigation neatly, and we the media

0:40:11.800 --> 0:40:16.400
<v Speaker 5>worked diligently to put our personal emotions aside and report

0:40:16.440 --> 0:40:20.680
<v Speaker 5>accurately on this story. But with the mounting pressure and

0:40:20.760 --> 0:40:26.200
<v Speaker 5>heightened emotions, some things slipped through the cracks. What we

0:40:26.200 --> 0:40:30.120
<v Speaker 5>weren't clear on were the circumstances surrounding how he had

0:40:30.160 --> 0:40:33.680
<v Speaker 5>been caught. We went on what our sources shared with us,

0:40:34.160 --> 0:40:37.880
<v Speaker 5>and in those early days, not all of it was accurate.

0:40:38.640 --> 0:40:43.120
<v Speaker 5>We missed the mark on a crucial detail of the story.

0:40:43.920 --> 0:40:46.880
<v Speaker 10>Sources tell us Raiders. Twenty six year old daughter Carrie

0:40:47.280 --> 0:40:51.920
<v Speaker 10>went to police with suspicions her father was BTK. Sources

0:40:51.960 --> 0:40:55.240
<v Speaker 10>say she gave a blood sample. That sample, we're told,

0:40:55.560 --> 0:40:56.840
<v Speaker 10>came back as a match.

0:41:00.160 --> 0:41:04.600
<v Speaker 5>Eventually, we did clarify that while Carrie's DNA was key

0:41:05.000 --> 0:41:09.120
<v Speaker 5>in his arrest, she herself did not turn her father in.

0:41:10.120 --> 0:41:12.960
<v Speaker 5>I can understand how this mistake put Carrie in a

0:41:13.200 --> 0:41:17.720
<v Speaker 5>very tough spot. This inaccurate detail about how her DNA

0:41:17.920 --> 0:41:25.040
<v Speaker 5>was collected made its way to national news.

0:41:23.160 --> 0:41:25.920
<v Speaker 7>Like a week later, seeing an embras in one news

0:41:26.000 --> 0:41:28.560
<v Speaker 7>saying that I had turned in my dad and given

0:41:28.560 --> 0:41:31.720
<v Speaker 7>a blood sample. We don't even have cable. I'm reading

0:41:31.719 --> 0:41:35.359
<v Speaker 7>it over the internet. I'm like, I didn't turn in

0:41:35.400 --> 0:41:37.319
<v Speaker 7>my dad and I didn't give blood. I gave a

0:41:37.600 --> 0:41:42.000
<v Speaker 7>cheek swab. So my dad literally writes me, sometime in

0:41:42.040 --> 0:41:46.200
<v Speaker 7>the spring, I heard you turn me in, and I knew,

0:41:46.200 --> 0:41:47.800
<v Speaker 7>deep down in my heart it wasn't true.

0:41:49.400 --> 0:41:53.600
<v Speaker 5>Carrie had mixed feelings about her interactions with the investigators.

0:41:54.040 --> 0:41:57.560
<v Speaker 5>There was the trauma of her being initially notified, the

0:41:57.680 --> 0:42:02.560
<v Speaker 5>shock and frustration that herd was used without her permission,

0:42:03.239 --> 0:42:07.799
<v Speaker 5>But there was also the compassion she was shown the.

0:42:07.760 --> 0:42:11.840
<v Speaker 7>Police like Clanderware and Otis, they all knew right away,

0:42:11.960 --> 0:42:13.920
<v Speaker 7>as soon as they started talking to my family that

0:42:13.960 --> 0:42:17.200
<v Speaker 7>we were all victims. And they said they knew right away.

0:42:17.239 --> 0:42:19.400
<v Speaker 7>There was an eighth family and it was ours. There

0:42:19.480 --> 0:42:22.239
<v Speaker 7>was the seven families from the seven murders. They had

0:42:22.280 --> 0:42:24.120
<v Speaker 7>been working with some of these people for twenty or

0:42:24.120 --> 0:42:27.399
<v Speaker 7>thirty years. They knew them well. They kept tabs on them.

0:42:27.440 --> 0:42:29.759
<v Speaker 7>They helped them, kept them up to date on all

0:42:29.800 --> 0:42:33.440
<v Speaker 7>the cases. They took care of these people, and all

0:42:33.440 --> 0:42:35.719
<v Speaker 7>of a sudden, now they had an eighth family on

0:42:35.800 --> 0:42:36.840
<v Speaker 7>their hands.

0:42:40.200 --> 0:42:44.600
<v Speaker 5>In Park City, sightseers arrived at Raider's house on Independent Street.

0:42:45.280 --> 0:42:49.600
<v Speaker 5>It became a spectacle. One person even attempted to remove

0:42:49.640 --> 0:42:54.359
<v Speaker 5>the family's mailbox bearing his last name. While those who

0:42:54.480 --> 0:42:58.520
<v Speaker 5>knew Raider intimately had turned away from the media, neighbors

0:42:58.520 --> 0:43:01.680
<v Speaker 5>of Raiders were voicing their opinions of him on air.

0:43:02.800 --> 0:43:03.959
<v Speaker 4>He's always been real nice.

0:43:04.000 --> 0:43:05.840
<v Speaker 2>He's been a real property of.

0:43:05.840 --> 0:43:07.399
<v Speaker 7>Every time I gotten to do the mail or get

0:43:07.400 --> 0:43:07.799
<v Speaker 7>my other.

0:43:07.800 --> 0:43:08.239
<v Speaker 4>Thing, he says.

0:43:08.320 --> 0:43:08.440
<v Speaker 8>Hi.

0:43:08.560 --> 0:43:10.759
<v Speaker 2>He was probably, in fact the friendliest they run.

0:43:10.680 --> 0:43:11.160
<v Speaker 6>Home block too.

0:43:11.200 --> 0:43:11.279
<v Speaker 8>Man.

0:43:11.360 --> 0:43:14.760
<v Speaker 10>Well, nobody likes him around Park City's He's been accused

0:43:14.760 --> 0:43:17.319
<v Speaker 10>to let people's dogs out to catch him, or my

0:43:17.400 --> 0:43:17.920
<v Speaker 10>dad told.

0:43:17.800 --> 0:43:19.520
<v Speaker 6>Him was just not to go down there because they

0:43:19.520 --> 0:43:20.200
<v Speaker 6>were strange.

0:43:22.360 --> 0:43:26.960
<v Speaker 5>The monster had finally been captured, and now the whole

0:43:27.000 --> 0:43:30.680
<v Speaker 5>city and millions of onlookers waited to see if he

0:43:30.719 --> 0:43:35.600
<v Speaker 5>would be put away forever. Here again is Kevin O'Connor.

0:43:36.960 --> 0:43:40.640
<v Speaker 9>For me, it was a time where it's like, okay,

0:43:40.680 --> 0:43:43.360
<v Speaker 9>now I got to go to work. We anticipated he

0:43:43.400 --> 0:43:46.760
<v Speaker 9>would want a trial. So that year, between the time

0:43:46.840 --> 0:43:50.239
<v Speaker 9>he started sending things in March of four to the

0:43:50.280 --> 0:43:53.600
<v Speaker 9>time he was captured, I had been preparing along with

0:43:53.640 --> 0:43:54.520
<v Speaker 9>the district attorney.

0:43:55.160 --> 0:43:56.320
<v Speaker 2>We're preparing for trial.

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<v Speaker 5>Nobody knew how Raider would plead, whether or not this

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<v Speaker 5>case would go to trial. He would soon face ten

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<v Speaker 5>first degree murder charges and would do something no one

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<v Speaker 5>was expecting.

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<v Speaker 12>All right, christ Raider, at this time, I want to

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<v Speaker 12>ask how to plead to these ten counts?

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<v Speaker 5>Next time? On Monster BTK.

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<v Speaker 12>One Saturday morning, he called me and the operator said,

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<v Speaker 12>I have a collect call from the Cedric County Detention Center.

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<v Speaker 6>Will you accept the charges? And you go, wow, Yes,

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<v Speaker 6>I will.

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<v Speaker 9>I remember Judge Waller asking what kind of bond we wanted,

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<v Speaker 9>and I think I said something to the effect of

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<v Speaker 9>a I mean, Judge, I don't know ten kazillion million.

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<v Speaker 9>I don't know if there is a number.

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<v Speaker 12>A judge asked Dennis Rader to take him through all

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<v Speaker 12>the killings in the courtroom live on.

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<v Speaker 8>T my mouth pure an adult ray the police.

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<v Speaker 7>They wanted everything my dad had done on record. Now

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<v Speaker 7>were they trying to humiliate my dad on the stand?

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<v Speaker 13>I Don't Know.

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