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Speaker 3: It could be a breakthrough in the BTK investigation in

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Speaker 3: just a couple of hours, which you tall. Police are

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Speaker 3: expected to release new information about the BTK case. Police

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Speaker 3: took a person of interest.

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Speaker 4: In for questioning.

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Speaker 3: Cake News has learned police are expected to say that

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Speaker 3: person is indeed a suspect in the BTK case.

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Speaker 5: The day he was arrested, I was at the mall

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Speaker 5: because it was in the morning before we went to

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Speaker 5: work at two o'clock, and the boss called and said,

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Speaker 5: you got to get into work right away. I said,

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Speaker 5: why where Almost positive BTK was caught. I was standing

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Speaker 5: in the middle of the mall. The mall started going

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Speaker 5: round and round and round, and I thought, oh my god,

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Speaker 5: I'm going to faint. I'm going to faint, and I

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Speaker 5: started crying, and I sat down and put my head

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Speaker 5: between my legs. That was over a news story. We've

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Speaker 5: never done that before, but it involved us so much

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Speaker 5: that we became part of the fear, part of the story,

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Speaker 5: part of the extreme relief. When he was finally caught,

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Speaker 5: I remember I started to cry, thinking to myself, the

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Speaker 5: nightmare is over for Wichita.

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Speaker 6: Someone killed four members of a family.

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Speaker 7: Hedge vanished from her home suddenly last weekend. Her phone

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Speaker 7: lines had been cut, her door left open.

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Speaker 8: You see the victim playing there with plastic bags over

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Speaker 8: their heads, strangled.

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Speaker 9: You could tell there was a plan scenario.

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Speaker 10: Well, police have said no more about the contents of

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Speaker 10: the letter. It does contain some sort of threat and

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Speaker 10: implies the killer may strike again.

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Speaker 4: He's going to play with these victims.

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Speaker 11: He'd get him to the point of death and then

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Speaker 11: bring them back and then brings them back to the

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Speaker 5: From My Heart Podcasts and Tenderfoot TV. I'm Susan Peters

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Speaker 5: and this is Monster BTK. On February twenty fourth, two

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Speaker 5: thousand and five, the Wichita Police Department, alongside the KBI

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Speaker 5: and FBI, received the news they had been waiting for

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Speaker 5: the DNA preserved from the nineteen seventy four Otero killings

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Speaker 5: matched Dennis Rader. It was time to execute and arrest,

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Speaker 5: and they were ready. Over the past week, the police

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Speaker 5: had stalked Raider, marking every aspect of his daily routine.

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Speaker 5: They tailored their arrest to his patterns, planning every single

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Speaker 5: element down to the minute the arrest would occur. Raider

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Speaker 5: would not get away this time. The police officers, investigators,

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Speaker 5: and lawyers who had put in countless hours tracking down

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Speaker 5: BTK over the last year, were brimming with tension. They

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Speaker 5: went home to tell their families that tomorrow they may

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Speaker 5: finally get their guy. Here's former Sedgwick County Deputy District

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Speaker 5: Attorney Kevin O'Connor.

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Speaker 9: When we did finally find and knew we were going

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Speaker 9: to arrest Ennis Raider, it was the night before. All

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Speaker 9: plans were made, all search warrants were prepared, the arrest

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Speaker 9: team was identified, the plan of action was done. It

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Speaker 9: was really very impressive, almost like an army maneuver type

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Speaker 9: who was going to put the cuffs on them, who

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Speaker 9: was going to walk them back to the car that

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Speaker 9: Kenny Landware was going to be in, and they said

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Speaker 9: And I remember going home and telling my wife. I said,

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Speaker 9: you're having an affair, and I go, no, I go,

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Speaker 9: We're going to arrest Betk tomorrow.

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Speaker 5: On the morning of February twenty fifth, the arrest team

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Speaker 5: slipped quietly into Park City.

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Speaker 2: On that day.

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Speaker 9: I remember it was radio silence, and it was time coordinated,

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Speaker 5: The arrest was scheduled for twelve to fifteen PM, when

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Speaker 5: Raider would make his way home from his Park City office,

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Speaker 5: as he did every Friday. They spent all morning staging

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Speaker 9: We planned it that the search warrants would be executed

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Speaker 5: In addition to the arrest team, they had prepped the

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Speaker 5: While police prepared, they worried the news would leak to

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Speaker 5: wanted Raider in police custody. The media frenzy began, but

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Speaker 10: Now we've been hearing from sources that police are waiting

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Speaker 10: be very tough for them to keep this quiet.

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Speaker 5: They stealed their nerves and told themselves they would not

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Speaker 5: team lined up on a side street in Park City,

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Speaker 5: two blocks from Raider's house. Officers Dan Hardy and Scott

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Speaker 5: to initially pull Raider over. Their fleet included four other

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Speaker 5: the worst. The minutes till go time ticked by. Finally,

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Speaker 5: their radio switched on. He's on the move, a voice said.

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Speaker 5: Over the next few moments, an officer in an unmarked

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Speaker 5: making his way home for lunch with his wife, Paula. Unsuspecting,

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Speaker 5: before gunning the engine, pulling up behind Raider and flipping

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Speaker 5: the obedient citizen pulled over. Immediately, the arrest team surrounded Raider,

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Speaker 5: guns drawn and ordered him to the ground. Raider, for

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Speaker 5: his part, remained calm and collected. He turned to the

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Speaker 4: Would you please call my wife? She was expecting me

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Speaker 4: for lunch. I assume you know where I live.

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Speaker 5: He slipped into the cold serial killer role he had

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Speaker 5: crafted for himself over the last thirty years. Kevin O'Connor

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Speaker 5: says as police handcuffed him, he played up the dramatics.

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Speaker 9: When Rader got into the car after being arrested, they

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Speaker 9: in and they opened the door and he says, well, hello, mister.

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Speaker 5: Landwere Later, in confession of a serial killer, Rader would say.

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Speaker 4: I did what Son of Sam did.

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Speaker 5: Rader often looked to the other serial killers of the

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Speaker 5: time for inspiration. David Burkerwood's aka Son of Sam killed

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Speaker 5: six people between nineteen seventy six and seventy seven in

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Speaker 5: New York City. This is a clip from the Today

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Speaker 12: Was arrested late last night in his apartment at Yunkers.

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Speaker 12: He told the officers, Okay, you've got me.

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Speaker 5: Police carried Raider off and would in short order hold

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Speaker 5: him for thirty six hours of questioning while WPD officers

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Speaker 5: and FBI made the arrest. The prosecutors prepped the interview room.

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Speaker 9: When they arrested him and brought him up to the

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Speaker 9: It was an old copy room from this office, and

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Speaker 9: I remember my boss, Nola Folston going in there and

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Speaker 9: where the camera would be on Dennis Rader, with the

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Speaker 5: Folston was thinking ahead to the trial. Looking into Rayder's

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Speaker 5: eyes as he was interrogated about his heinous crimes would

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Speaker 5: have a greater impact on the jury and put a

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Speaker 5: face to the previously faceless monster of Wichita's history. Just

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Speaker 5: Land where and Morton brought him into the interview room

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Speaker 5: play up the good cop interview tactic the arresting officers

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Speaker 5: had played the bad cops in the interrogation room. Land

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Speaker 5: Where introduced Raider to Detective Dana Guage, who held a

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Speaker 5: search warrant to collect Raider's DNA. They swabbed him and

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Speaker 5: sent the test off to confirm what Carrie Rawson's DNA

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Speaker 5: Rader agreed to talk, but he wouldn't make it easy

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Speaker 13: When they brought him in for interrogation, he did kind

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Speaker 13: break down right away. He said, I'm just don't want

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Speaker 13: You know, I know the cases really well, but I

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Speaker 5: Land Where asked why the oteros had been murdered.

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Speaker 4: Well, if you take that murder and some of the others,

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Speaker 4: I would say, you've got a serial killer loose.

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Speaker 5: He asked Rader what he thought about BTK.

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Speaker 4: The killer is like a lone wolf, kind of like

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Speaker 4: a spy or something.

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Speaker 5: Fed up Land Where and Morton backed Raider into a corner.

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Speaker 13: They came back and said, well, we do have DNA

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Speaker 5: Morton asked Rader what he thought would happen if his

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Speaker 5: DNA matched btk's.

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Speaker 13: Then he was shocked that they still had some preserved

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Speaker 13: DNA from even back as far as the Otaro's when

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Speaker 5: Back then, the walls were closing in on Raider. Land

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Speaker 5: where played his biggest hand. Here is an excerpt from

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Speaker 5: the Wichita Eagle book bind Torture Kill, read by a

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Speaker 14: He pulled out a purple computer disc, land Where told

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Speaker 14: Rader that this disc sent by BTK, appointed the cops

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Speaker 14: to Raider's church and to him, could he explain that?

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Speaker 5: Then Raider asked a few questions of his own.

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Speaker 4: Would BTK get the death penalty? BTK has killed some

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Speaker 4: kids and stuff? What would happen to btk's house, you guys,

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Speaker 4: have got me? How can I get out of it?

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Speaker 4: And finally, isn't any way you can get out of

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Speaker 4: DNA right?

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Speaker 5: Morton had had enough. He yelled at Raider, just tell

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Speaker 4: I'm BTK.

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Speaker 13: he then admitted to all the murders and so, well,

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Speaker 10: For decades, it's been speculated BTK was responsible for more murders,

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Speaker 10: two murders in particular, the nineteen ninety one murder of

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Speaker 10: Both women were found strangled and bound in Sedgwick County.

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Speaker 5: Land, where and Morton took a break. After three hours,

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Speaker 5: they had secured a confession. While the two men were

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Speaker 4: Well, you guys got the evidence. There's no way I

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Speaker 4: fess up. They'll probably find things that I've even forgotten about.

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Speaker 5: Raider would lead police to the evidence he had accumulated

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Speaker 5: over the last thirty years. Drawing a map of his home,

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Speaker 5: Rader pointed investigators to a stash of scrap books in

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Speaker 5: The attic contained his old detective magazines. The car held

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Speaker 5: The important evidence, however, he kept in his office. Here

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Speaker 5: again is an excerpt from bind Torture.

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Speaker 14: Kill at Raiders City Hall office, they found what he

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Speaker 14: called his mother load trophies in all his original writings.

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Speaker 14: they found seven three ring binders in more than twenty

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Speaker 14: five hanging file folders, newspaper clippings about many of the killings,

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Speaker 14: drawings depicting women bound at torture, machines of Raiders design,

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Speaker 5: Descriptions of the mother Load fill five pages of the

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Speaker 5: State of Kansas's Summary of Evidence. A document prepared by

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Speaker 5: Kevin O'Connor that provides full accounts of Raider's crimes. It

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Speaker 5: took investigators a month to digitally record all of the

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Speaker 5: mother load. As evidence was collected from raiders, Park City

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Speaker 5: Office police interviewed him in pairs for over thirty hours.

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Speaker 5: The footage from these interviews filled seventeen DVDs, and in them,

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Speaker 5: Raider describes in chilling, matter of fact detail, the cold

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Speaker 9: In looking at the drawings he made of Nancy Fox,

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Speaker 9: he will tell Detective Ralph that he's getting excited sexually

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Speaker 9: just remembering. He will even mimic Josephine Josie o'tero because

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Speaker 9: he killed her parents in front of her. He killed

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Speaker 9: mimick her saying, don't hurt my mommy, don't hurt my mommy.

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Speaker 9: It's amazing to me the restraint that the law enforcement

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Speaker 5: He attempted to joke around with the interviewers.

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Speaker 9: Once he started talking, they couldn't shut him up. He

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Speaker 9: to go to the bathroom or something. Said well, we

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Speaker 11: So that's who he really was.

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Speaker 13: He wanted the notoriety. He does still kick himself over

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Speaker 13: the mistakes he made with that floppy disk, but once

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Speaker 5: The Wichita Police Department had kept the rumors at bay

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Speaker 5: for as long as possible, but the commotion in Park

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Speaker 12: As we've been telling you all day, they executed a

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Speaker 12: possible BTK suspect who is now in police custody. Police

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Speaker 12: have now called a Saturday morning news conference for ten am.

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Speaker 5: We were buzzing at Cake News. We followed each story

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Speaker 5: The announcement would be broadcast worldwide. We waited with baited breath.

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Speaker 5: In just fourteen hours, we would finally have our answer

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Speaker 5: to a thirty year old question. The next day, Saturday,

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Speaker 5: February twenty sixth, at ten am, Wichita Police gathered local,

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Speaker 5: state and federal law enforcement, regular citizens, and family members

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Speaker 5: of btk's victims into the City Council Auditorium. Local national

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Speaker 5: In total, eight people spoke. It wasn't until Sheriff Gary Steed,

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Speaker 15: I'm also pleased to announce today that we have brought

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Speaker 15: Marine Hedge and Dolores Davis Raiders.

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Speaker 8: Name.

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Speaker 5: What everyone had been hanging on the edge of their

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Speaker 11: Shortly afternoon. Yesterday afternoon, agents from the KBI, agents from

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Speaker 11: the FBI, and members of the Wichitak Police Department arrested

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Speaker 11: Dennis Raider, fifty nine, a white male in Park City, Kansas.

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Speaker 5: We shared the news with Wichita and the world.

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Speaker 4: The bottom line, BTK is arrested.

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Speaker 5: A quarter century search for Wichita's worst serial killer is over.

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Speaker 8: Good evening.

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Speaker 5: It is a day that will go down in Wichita history.

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Speaker 5: My coworkers and I exhaled the biggest news story of

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Speaker 5: our collective careers was finally hitting its closing sequence. Over

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Speaker 5: the twenty fifth and twenty sixth of February, the news

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Speaker 5: of raiders arrests shattered its way through the Wichita community.

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Speaker 5: Bob Smeiser, a member of Raider's church, Christ Lutheran, was

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Speaker 5: On the afternoon of the twenty fifth.

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Speaker 6: Short of Alzheimer's I'll never Forget It.

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Speaker 5: He had actually had plans with Rader for that weekend.

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Speaker 6: We were playing a fishing trip. He can never go,

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Speaker 6: but that year and five he said, yeah, I'm gonna

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Speaker 6: He thought I can just pop out and go, we

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Speaker 6: the council now, and you know, and that would be

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Speaker 5: That fishing trip. Obviously, didn't happen.

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Speaker 6: So I got a call. Couldn't have been one o'clock yet,

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Speaker 6: I'll tell you. I said, Wellington at a communience store,

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Speaker 6: and said, hey, Chan, just call something going on to church? Really,

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Speaker 6: I said, Mike's there. The police are there and they've

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Speaker 6: Thenis started talking about today, just like him talk Why

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Speaker 5: The next morning, the day of the police news conference,

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Speaker 6: So Saturday morning and there there's five of us in there.

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Speaker 6: I can't even begin to tell you how surreal it was.

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Speaker 6: Stunned is still the best description. When the chief came

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Speaker 8: Top of us.

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Speaker 5: Every news outlet was trying to get the story out.

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Speaker 5: An unfortunate consequence of the race to be first is

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Speaker 6: They had a council meeting. I was not on a council.

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Speaker 6: That's why I was at the front door. They called

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Speaker 6: be very nice to everybody. It was a little harder

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Speaker 5: The news was out to the world. With that came

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Speaker 6: I heard the chiefs say we've captured BTK. I don't

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Speaker 6: that point. For people outside, or at least in that

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Speaker 6: And that's what he did.

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Speaker 5: The news hit Raider's own family even harder. Carrie Rawson

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Speaker 7: February twenty fifth, two thousand and five. I was home

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Speaker 7: It just it was out of place. I'm getting scared

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Speaker 7: I don't know what he's doing. I said, should I

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Speaker 7: He said he was looking for Harry Raider Rosson and

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Speaker 7: he's like, is that you from Wichita, Kansas. I was

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Speaker 7: Everything just sears instant, like I can tell you where

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Speaker 7: the chocolate cake was that I hadn't made.

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00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 2: I can tell you the.

437
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 7: Color in my purse, orm my keys were color of

438
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 7: the kitchen towels instant. Did you ever think, no, he's not,

439
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 7: You're full of shit? It like, well, I mean at

440
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 7: that point, I've gone into physical shock. I'm shaking. I

441
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 7: shook for four days. He's realizing right away I'm not okay.

442
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 7: I'm spinning, literally about to pass out, and I make

443
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 7: it over to my couch. I asked the agent and

444
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 7: I'm like, well, can I call my Grandma Eileen, my

445
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 7: mom's mom that lives down the street from my parents,

446
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 7: And he said, yeah, you can call her, but you

447
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 7: can't tell her what's going on. So I called Grandma

448
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 7: Eileen and I said Dad's been arrested. I'd left out BTK,

449
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 7: but I said Dad's been arrested, and she says, oh shit,

450
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 7: and she says, hold on, I'll call you back, and

451
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 7: she walked out and down around the corner, looked past

452
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 7: missus Hedge's house and saw all of the crime scene

453
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 7: trucks and all of the police cars and FBI cars,

454
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 7: bomb disposal truck, everything down at my parents' house. My

455
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 7: grandma called me back, told us what was going on,

456
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 7: and then I have found out later they were picked

457
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 7: up not long after that and taken down to where

458
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 7: my mom was, and other family were picked up and

459
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 7: everyone was questioned.

460
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 5: It is hard to imagine how any us would react

461
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 5: in Carrie's situation. Understandably, it was very difficult to process.

462
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 7: I was trying to alibi my dad. I thought I

463
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 7: could sit there and prove right there, my dad's a

464
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 7: really great guy. Well, see, they had arrested the wrong

465
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 7: guy in December about four, my mom was being interviewed

466
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 7: by which TAB police and maybe KBIFBI, I'm not sure.

467
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 7: And she literally was saying, you got the wrong guy

468
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 7: in December, and you got the wrong guy again. You

469
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 7: know she was mad. I was mad too. You're just

470
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 7: very defensive with this person that you love that's only good,

471
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 7: and you're mad because you're like, you got the wrong guy.

472
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 7: So I'm sitting there and now my husband's Homi sitting

473
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 7: next to me. He's holding my hand where that I'm

474
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 7: basically completely falling apart. He's trying to astorb this. I'm

475
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,239
Speaker 7: trying to alibi my dad. So I'm like, what are

476
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 7: the dates of the murders? The investigator gave me some

477
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 7: dates in the seventies, and I was like, I wasn't

478
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 7: alive then, and then he said September of eighty six,

479
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 7: and I said, I don't have memories of September of

480
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 7: eighty six other than I started third grade. And then

481
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 7: it hit. I remembered missus Hedge. My head sunk, and

482
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 7: it was like something steered inside of me, in my guts,

483
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 7: and I got really quiet, and it was like I

484
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 7: knew that Dad was BTK and had murdered missus Hedge.

485
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 7: I was Carrie and he was Dad, and then he

486
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 7: was arrested, and all of a sudden he was BTK

487
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 7: and I lost Carrie.

488
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 5: Carrie also talked about the way the arrest affected her mother, Paula.

489
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 7: Guy would spend a lot of time thinking about what

490
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 7: did I want to ask my mom and how much

491
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 7: can I push because she has a similar PTSD from

492
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 7: when she was notified and picked up. Everybody patted it

493
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 7: around my mom after the arrest. In John Douglas's book,

494
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 7: Keith talks about he was trying to get an idea

495
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 7: about my mom Paula, and he said the whole community

496
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 7: early on still they were very protective of her. They

497
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 7: they just surrounded her and took care of her, and

498
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 7: nobody really wanted to push her. My mom had been

499
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 7: gathlighted and conned by my father and thought he was

500
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 7: one thing and Harry has always been this other thing.

501
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 7: We are domestic abuse victims. I think my mom probably

502
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 7: does hold some answers, but we don't really go there.

503
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 7: My mom said it was like your dad died that day.

504
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 7: That's how she's dealt with it.

505
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 5: The news had broken Carrie and Paula's hearts. Raiders' murders

506
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 5: had broken six families, and those families were still waiting

507
00:32:49,200 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 5: on answers. Across the country, family members of Raiders victims

508
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 5: were receiving once in a lifetime phone calls. Jeff Davis's mother,

509
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 5: Dolores Davis, was murdered in January of nineteen ninety one.

510
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 5: She was Dennis Raider's last victim. Jeff spent years wondering

511
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 5: who his mother's killer was. Now his personal grief was

512
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 5: becoming part of Wichita's history.

513
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 8: I was writ in Memphis of that time, and I

514
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 8: was out playing pool in my favorite place on Friday afternoon,

515
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 8: and I got a call from the Sheriff's detjective and

516
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 8: all instead was we got him, but it wasn't children

517
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 8: the next morning, when Chief Williams of the police Department

518
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 8: and now they had Captain BGK, that I realized mom

519
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 8: was his victim and that he wasn't one of responsible.

520
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 8: I never suspected. For whatever reason, I never connected him

521
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 8: with it.

522
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 4: I don't know why.

523
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 8: It never crossed my mind. And literally I was ecstatic

524
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 8: that they caught ing, and of course we lived, and

525
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 8: all the painting had cost but it all happened so fast.

526
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 8: Once they announced that, my phone started ringing, and literally

527
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 8: he didn't quit ringing all day long.

528
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 5: Again, the news media cut in.

529
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 8: I couldn't take a call without another call cutting in

530
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 8: because I was talking to news outlets everywhere across the country,

531
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 8: and I was just overwhelmed. I remember going to bed

532
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 8: that next night exhausted because everything just hit like a

533
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 8: whole wind.

534
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 4: It was just.

535
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 8: A bizarre, kind of surrealistic situation. I'm still getting in

536
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 8: my head, well, a little human cockroach. She looks like

537
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 8: it took a while for an all to sink in it,

538
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 8: So I'm trying to say it took a while to

539
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 8: realize that it was him and that he was responsible

540
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,399
Speaker 8: for everybody, to include my mother. In spite of all

541
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 8: the false alarms and the other speculations that had gone on,

542
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 8: he was the one. There was no doubt about that

543
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 8: at this point in time.

544
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 5: I can't imagine how it felt to learn the identity

545
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 5: of your mother's killer after fourteen years, to learn, along

546
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 5: with the rest of the world, that it was the

547
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 5: same man responsible for terrorizing your hometown since the nineteen seventies.

548
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 5: Jeff had to make his way back home.

549
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 8: I just started getting up and getting ready to get

550
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 8: myself be where I could get back. It was so

551
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 8: I could be a part of all that.

552
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 5: In New Mexico, Charlie Taro was trying to start over

553
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 5: after his time in prison. His two parents, Joseph and Julie,

554
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 5: and his younger siblings Josie and Joey, were the very

555
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 5: first victims of BTK. Their murders had forever changed the

556
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 5: trajectory of the eldest Otero's siblings life.

557
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 16: I was still in parole when he got caught. I

558
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 16: was in Albuquerque. I was working demolition. It was like

559
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 16: two weeks after I got out of prison. I was

560
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 16: blessed with having somebody hire me. The day I got

561
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 16: out of prison, I made a phone call. They hired

562
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 16: me up the next day. I was in their yard

563
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 16: one day and I was on my knees and I

564
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 16: was pulling up all these bushes. They had like twenty

565
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 16: little shrubs, and I was digging each one out, pullying.

566
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 16: I was taking me a couple of minutes apiece, and

567
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 16: the phone rings. I had my phone right here. I

568
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 16: picked up as my sister and she goes they caught him.

569
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 16: I'm said, are you serious, He goes says, Yep, they

570
00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 16: got him, and then bushes were flying ten feet over

571
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 16: my head. I just started yanking him out of the

572
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,399
Speaker 16: ground and they were flying over my head, and it's

573
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 16: like superhuman crazy stuff. That's how I found out.

574
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 5: Similar to Jeff's reaction, Charlie was angry.

575
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 16: Right then at that moment. I'm starting to plan my

576
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 16: revenge now that they got him, how am I going

577
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:22,240
Speaker 16: to get.

578
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 4: My hands on him?

579
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 5: In Steve Ralford's case, I would be there when he

580
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 5: first learned the identity of Dennis Rader. Steve Ralford had

581
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 5: spent the last twenty eight years blaming himself for the

582
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 5: murder of his mother, Shirley Vyanne. Raider gained access to

583
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 5: Ryanne's home on the morning of March seventeenth, nineteen seventy seven,

584
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 5: after then five year old Steve opened the door, just

585
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 5: a few weeks before police caught BTK. I found Steve

586
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 5: and interviewed him for Cake TV. What would you do

587
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:01,959
Speaker 5: if you met him face to face?

588
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:09,720
Speaker 4: Oh God, he would suffer, Yes, me and me would suffer.

589
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 5: Once BTK had been arrested, I called Steve right away. Okay,

590
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 5: So the day he was caught you were in Las Vegas. Yeah,

591
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 5: And I called you and I said it was about

592
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 5: four weeks after I had interviewed you, so you were

593
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 5: probably like, Wow, they caught him that quickly, but it

594
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 5: had taken him a year. But I called you in

595
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 5: Las Vegas and I said, Steve, I think they caught BTK,

596
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 5: the man who murdered your mother. What'd you say to me?

597
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 4: I don't really remember.

598
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 15: I remember saying that fucking I'm going to ste him

599
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 15: right down away for money.

600
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 4: I'm here more.

601
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 5: That's exactly what you said. My team and I made

602
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 5: the decision to fly Steve back home to Wichita so

603
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 5: he could be there when the news was confirmed. The

604
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 5: following is a story we ran on Cake on February

605
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,280
Speaker 5: twenty sixth, two thousand and five.

606
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 17: As Steve Ralford watches today's news briefing, the emotion comes immediately.

607
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 17: This is not only Steve's first time back in Wichita

608
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 17: since his mother's murder in nineteen seventy seven, but also

609
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 17: for the first time we show Steve the picture of

610
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 17: his mother's killer.

611
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 5: All right, yeah, what are you feeling right now?

612
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 4: Glen?

613
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 8: It cuts the bitch the mom conressed in peace.

614
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 5: Everyone in Wichita was grappling with what we'd learned. We

615
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 5: blamed ourselves for allowing this monster to live among us

616
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 5: for this long. We were leaved angry and confused. The

617
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 5: police did their best to tie up the loose ends

618
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:11,280
Speaker 5: on this thirty year investigation neatly, and we the media

619
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 5: worked diligently to put our personal emotions aside and report

620
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 5: accurately on this story. But with the mounting pressure and

621
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 5: heightened emotions, some things slipped through the cracks. What we

622
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 5: weren't clear on were the circumstances surrounding how he had

623
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 5: been caught. We went on what our sources shared with us,

624
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 5: and in those early days, not all of it was accurate.

625
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 5: We missed the mark on a crucial detail of the story.

626
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 10: Sources tell us Raiders. Twenty six year old daughter Carrie

627
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 10: went to police with suspicions her father was BTK. Sources

628
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,240
Speaker 10: say she gave a blood sample. That sample, we're told,

629
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 10: came back as a match.

630
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 5: Eventually, we did clarify that while Carrie's DNA was key

631
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 5: in his arrest, she herself did not turn her father in.

632
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 5: I can understand how this mistake put Carrie in a

633
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:17,720
Speaker 5: very tough spot. This inaccurate detail about how her DNA

634
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 5: was collected made its way to national news.

635
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 7: Like a week later, seeing an embras in one news

636
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 7: saying that I had turned in my dad and given

637
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,720
Speaker 7: a blood sample. We don't even have cable. I'm reading

638
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 7: it over the internet. I'm like, I didn't turn in

639
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 7: my dad and I didn't give blood. I gave a

640
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 7: cheek swab. So my dad literally writes me, sometime in

641
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 7: the spring, I heard you turn me in, and I knew,

642
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 7: deep down in my heart it wasn't true.

643
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 5: Carrie had mixed feelings about her interactions with the investigators.

644
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 5: There was the trauma of her being initially notified, the

645
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 5: shock and frustration that herd was used without her permission,

646
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 5: But there was also the compassion she was shown the.

647
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 7: Police like Clanderware and Otis, they all knew right away,

648
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 7: as soon as they started talking to my family that

649
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 7: we were all victims. And they said they knew right away.

650
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 7: There was an eighth family and it was ours. There

651
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 7: was the seven families from the seven murders. They had

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Speaker 7: been working with some of these people for twenty or

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Speaker 7: thirty years. They knew them well. They kept tabs on them.

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Speaker 7: They helped them, kept them up to date on all

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Speaker 7: the cases. They took care of these people, and all

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Speaker 7: of a sudden, now they had an eighth family on

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Speaker 7: their hands.

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Speaker 5: In Park City, sightseers arrived at Raider's house on Independent Street.

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Speaker 5: It became a spectacle. One person even attempted to remove

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Speaker 5: the family's mailbox bearing his last name. While those who

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Speaker 5: knew Raider intimately had turned away from the media, neighbors

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Speaker 5: of Raiders were voicing their opinions of him on air.

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Speaker 4: He's always been real nice.

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Speaker 2: He's been a real property of.

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Speaker 7: Every time I gotten to do the mail or get

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Speaker 7: my other.

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Speaker 4: Thing, he says.

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Speaker 8: Hi.

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Speaker 2: He was probably, in fact the friendliest they run.

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Speaker 6: Home block too.

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Speaker 8: Man.

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Speaker 10: Well, nobody likes him around Park City's He's been accused

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Speaker 10: to let people's dogs out to catch him, or my

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Speaker 10: dad told.

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Speaker 6: Him was just not to go down there because they

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Speaker 6: were strange.

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Speaker 5: The monster had finally been captured, and now the whole

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Speaker 5: city and millions of onlookers waited to see if he

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Speaker 5: would be put away forever. Here again is Kevin O'Connor.

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Speaker 9: For me, it was a time where it's like, okay,

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Speaker 9: now I got to go to work. We anticipated he

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Speaker 9: would want a trial. So that year, between the time

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Speaker 9: he started sending things in March of four to the

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Speaker 9: time he was captured, I had been preparing along with

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Speaker 9: the district attorney.

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Speaker 2: We're preparing for trial.

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Speaker 5: Nobody knew how Raider would plead, whether or not this

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Speaker 5: case would go to trial. He would soon face ten

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Speaker 5: first degree murder charges and would do something no one

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Speaker 5: was expecting.

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Speaker 12: All right, christ Raider, at this time, I want to

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Speaker 12: ask how to plead to these ten counts?

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Speaker 5: Next time? On Monster BTK.

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Speaker 12: One Saturday morning, he called me and the operator said,

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Speaker 12: I have a collect call from the Cedric County Detention Center.

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Speaker 6: Will you accept the charges? And you go, wow, Yes,

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Speaker 6: I will.

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Speaker 9: I remember Judge Waller asking what kind of bond we wanted,

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Speaker 9: and I think I said something to the effect of

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Speaker 9: a I mean, Judge, I don't know ten kazillion million.

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Speaker 9: I don't know if there is a number.

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Speaker 12: A judge asked Dennis Rader to take him through all

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Speaker 12: the killings in the courtroom live on.

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Speaker 8: T my mouth pure an adult ray the police.

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Speaker 7: They wanted everything my dad had done on record. Now

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Speaker 7: were they trying to humiliate my dad on the stand?

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Speaker 13: I Don't Know.

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Speaker 2: Monster BTK is a production of tenderfoot TV and iHeart Podcasts.

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Speaker 2: The show is written by Nomes Griffin, Trevor Young, and

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Speaker 2: Jesse Funk. Our host is Susan Peters. Executive producers on

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Speaker 2: behalf of Tenderfoot TV include Donald Albright and Payne Lindsay,

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Speaker 2: Podsts and Caroline or Agemma at tenderfoot TV. Additional research

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Speaker 2: by Claudia Dafrico, original artwork by Kevin Mister soul Harp,

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