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Speaker 1: We're back inside the Indiana Union Construction Industry or radio

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Speaker 1: studio with JJ Stangovitz. I'm Matt Taylor and we're visiting

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Speaker 1: right now with tight Ends coach new on the staff,

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Speaker 1: Tom Manning coach, I say, new to the staff, but

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Speaker 1: you're back on the staff right first time back with

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Speaker 1: the Coltson's twenty eighteen. Welcome back to Indianapolis. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. We're I know myself and my family are

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Speaker 1: not only excited to get back here with the Colts,

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Speaker 1: but also just get back here in Indianapolis ready to roll.

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Speaker 1: So what lured you back to the college or it

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Speaker 1: should say the NFL ranks after spending the last four

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Speaker 1: years as the offensive coordinator for the Iowa State Cyclones. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think opportunity a lot of times, you

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Speaker 1: I had a great relationship with the people here, and also,

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Speaker 1: you know Coach Siriani and Philadelphia. I've been able to

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Speaker 1: kind of watch those guys from AFAR and really watch

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Speaker 1: what coach Stikeen's been able to do and have always

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Speaker 1: kind of followed him, you know, because that's the offense

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Speaker 1: that we were in kind of at Iowa State, and

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Speaker 1: you know, obviously kind of trickled down from from our

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Speaker 1: a little bit with opportunity and I think the opportunity

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Speaker 1: to work with with coach Stikeen and his staff and

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Speaker 1: then obviously you know Chris Ballard and his staff. You know,

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Speaker 1: for me, it was just the right thing at the

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Speaker 1: right time. What's her Do you have a connection to

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Speaker 1: Coach stike In And if you don't, what did you

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Speaker 1: know about him before taking this job? Yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't really have a direct I didn't never had

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Speaker 1: a direct um, you know, kind of connection with him. Um,

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Speaker 1: but a lot of guys that I have previously worked with, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, we're we're with him in previous stops as

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Speaker 1: well as their last stop in Philadelphia, and UM, you know,

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Speaker 1: kind of hit it off with them when we first

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Speaker 1: kind of started talking. I think we share a lot

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Speaker 1: of the same values in terms of, you know, how

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Speaker 1: we see offensive football, but really how we see building

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Speaker 1: a football program in terms of you know, character and

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Speaker 1: was obviously extremely impressed by him, and uh, you know

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Speaker 1: kind of thought that this is have to jump out

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Speaker 1: an opportunity to be on his staff and learn and

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Speaker 1: grow from him. Tom Manning is with us UH the

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Speaker 1: tight ends coach for the Indianapolis Colts again after spending

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Speaker 1: four years at the college ranks in Iowa State. What

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Speaker 1: about that experience do you think is most going to

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Speaker 1: help you or be most beneficial for you as you

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Speaker 1: come back to the NFL. Yeah, you know, I think, um,

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Speaker 1: I think the college level is very interesting and I

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Speaker 1: do think it helps prepare you, particularly at at a

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Speaker 1: position group where um, I believe it's a developmental position group,

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Speaker 1: and the tight end there's you know, I think if

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Speaker 1: you look at the draft and all the years, you

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Speaker 1: know they're they're few and far between that are really

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Speaker 1: Certainly there there have been those guys, and certainly there

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Speaker 1: are those guys. UM. But I think, you know, being

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Speaker 1: the places that I've been in college football, they've been

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Speaker 1: places that are developmental football programs where you have to

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Speaker 1: take guys, help them grow, um, And and you know

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Speaker 1: by the time that they're their third year, fourth year,

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Speaker 1: fifth year, you know your hope they're playing the type

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Speaker 1: of football that you're wanting to play, and tight end

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Speaker 1: is a position and when you look at it from

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Speaker 1: what goes on in college football today, there's not as

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Speaker 1: a perspective on there that you know, teaching is coaching,

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Speaker 1: you know, I try to take that the things that

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Speaker 1: to grow and develop at this level. You talk about

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Speaker 1: the development and the Colts have a couple of young

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Speaker 1: tight ends here, Gilani Woods and Drew Ogletree. Gilanni his

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Speaker 1: that coached me at Youngstown State. UM, I know and

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Speaker 1: can see from a character standpoint what they're raving about.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm I'm really looking forward to getting my

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Speaker 1: no doubt about that. That's Tom Mannings. Tom Manning, I

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Speaker 1: should say, tight ends coach for the Indianapolis Colts. I

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Speaker 1: want to go back to twenty eighteen. You're one year

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Speaker 1: here with the Colts tight ends that year, one hundred

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Speaker 1: and eight catches over twelve hundred yards, twenty one touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: going forward starting next year under Shane Steiken and offensive

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Speaker 1: both Coach Steiken and you know Jim Bob, they've had

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Speaker 1: And um, much like I think we had an eighteen,

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Speaker 1: they've been doing time. I always think tight end coaches

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Speaker 1: putting together, what is your ability as a former offensive coordinator,

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Speaker 1: So the tight end position, I think is one of

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Speaker 1: help in the pass game. UM. And we understand that

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Speaker 1: So you know, hopefully I can bring, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: How much of that will be tied end to the

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Speaker 1: seems like one of the biggest learning curves or young

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Speaker 1: Is it just a do you have to start with

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Speaker 1: When you look at college football, how much of college

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Speaker 1: without a doubt. That's good talking ball right there with

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Speaker 1: Tom Manning, Titans coach for the Indianapolis Colts. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: into the full coach. Great to see you again and

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Speaker 1: best of luck here in the offseason. Thanks guys, appreciate it.