WEBVTT - How Ouija Boards Work 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:04.400 Brought to you by the all New Toyota Corolla. Welcome 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:14.000 to Stuff You Should Know from House Stuff Works dot com. Hey, 0:00:14.160 --> 0:00:18.000 welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, There's Charles W. 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:22.360 Chuck Bryant, Jerry's kind of here, uh, and this is 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:26.720 Stuff you Should Know. Yeah, this is the last podcast 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:30.760 these two today that we're recording in the infamous murder room. 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:36.000 Oh yeah, it's right, yeah, murder room. Yeah, we're moving offices, 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:40.879 and what better thing to do than to have a seance, 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:45.440 which we're going to conduct after this episode records. You 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:48.800 don't worry about this first. Yeah, we're having a seance, buddy, 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:50.959 I don't know about that. We're gonna get down, We're 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:52.680 gonna get down to brass tacks and answer all the 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:54.760 unknown questions. Well, you know, I'll tell you what. I 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:57.200 will have a seance with you using a Wuiji board, 0:00:57.240 --> 0:00:59.840 because now I know how they work and I'm not 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:01.560 quite as scared of them as I used to be 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:08.280 saying after I saw The Exorcist. Yeah, I say Wegi, Yeah, 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:10.000 I kind of do too, although I think it's probably 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:13.240 Wegia right not to be confused with the crimes photographer 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:17.039 Weig we're talking about the board. Although yeah, I think 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:20.160 some people say we ja. Yeah. I just think it's interesting. 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:21.760 I said WEGI since I was a kid. Yeah, I 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:24.400 mean too, But I also say reci cup instead of Reese's. 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:27.840 Umi does too? You mean do yeah? And I'm like, no, 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:31.520 it's Reese's. They're like, no, it's Recy's. Yeah. Well I 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:33.559 don't even say Reese's. I'd just say a reci cup. 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:38.760 I think they think they need too people in their quirks. Yeah, foibles, 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:45.600 I say foibles. Uh yeah. You should hear him sing 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:49.560 that potato potato song everybody Yeah, which apparently I got 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:52.040 snookered on that. By the way. That's an old, an 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:55.360 old bit. So I was snookered by an urban legend. 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:58.720 What the whole potato Potato song? Where I say, like, yeah, 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:00.720 a friend of mine's friend Audish end with this piece 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:03.160 and sang it wrong. You thought it was for real? Yeah, 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:06.280 of course I did. I've never heard that before. It's 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:10.480 very funny. Had you heard that, um now, because you 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:12.560 would have stopped me. I know I have heard it before, 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:18.720 but it wasn't too long ago. Was it from my mouth? Maybe? 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:22.880 But I didn't think like that. It was it actually happened. 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:29.760 I think anyway, we gig board um, and I mentioned 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:34.400 exorcists already saw that, right, of course a bunch of times. Enough, 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:38.040 here's the trivia question for you. What is the name 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:41.720 of the spirit Reagan communicates with. I didn't even have 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:45.720 to look this up? Uh through her Wegi board? Geez, 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:50.760 I don't remember Captain Howdy? Shut up? No, do you remember? Now? 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:53.960 Captain Howdy was who she's talking with? Who is the devil? 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:56.680 I guess that was one of his aliases. I wonder 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:58.919 if he has like a double passport that says Captain 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:05.040 Howdy on the whole Satan Lucifer. Yeah, I didn't know that. Yeah, 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:08.480 it's true. That makes it a little less frightening. So um, 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:11.560 what was that the early seventies that exercise came out right, 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:16.400 I think? Um? And the Wigi board, the one she 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:18.960 was playing with, I believe was a Parker Brothers Buigi board. 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:23.200 Was it now has bro Um and that was this 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:29.440 mass manufactured, mass marketed toy game. But it was actually 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:33.120 based on like a real phenomenon that we've talked about 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:38.000 here on this show. Before the spiritualism movement of the 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:42.520 nineteenth century, the Luigi board first made its appearance around then. 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:47.119 Supposedly they claimed providence for this way further back than that, 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:50.480 but there's no real evidence that the Luigi board itself 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:54.240 is any older than the mid nineteenth century and that 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:58.480 it's American in origin. Yeah, the actual Wijia brand board 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:01.640 is what you're talking about, right, right, or talking boards 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:04.760 in general, which is another name for like a Wuiji 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:07.000 board as a talking board, but not all talking boards 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:09.560 are Wigi boards, that's right. So you're saying there's no 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:12.560 evidence that they existed before, like in the eight hundreds 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:16.400 before that. Before that, No, there there people did use divination. 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:20.599 There is a pretty good source a fourth century BC 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:27.000 Greek scholar who wrote a history um who talks about 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:30.200 a pair of men who were killed for dividor for 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:33.560 using divination. But they used a pendulum and a disc 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:36.799 with the alphabet around it to spell out a message. 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:43.360 So there were divinations. People did use um like alpha style. Yeah, 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:45.040 I don't know if they use a plan chet. But 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:49.080 the Wigi board itself, despite being marketed for many years, 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:54.479 is something from Egyptian antiquity, is probably something no or 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:57.080 that was created no earlier in the mid nineteenth century 0:04:57.080 --> 0:05:02.920 in the States. Well and is Uh an attorney name 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:08.640 Alijaban patented what was called the Uijia Egyptian luck board. Um. 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:10.599 And it's important to point out when when these things 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:13.240 are marketed, they when you read the fine print, they 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:16.159 never claim to be able to, you know, talk with 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:20.360 the spirits. It's like just sort of it's a game, right, 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:22.760 It's a game now, And it was once it became 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:28.080 mass marketed, they they started the Yeah, but in one 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:33.440 it was part of this larger offshoot of spiritualism. Yeah. 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:35.680 And we talked a bit about egythology, and it's sort 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:38.440 of all ties in seances were big. Do you remember 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:42.360 they cracked the hieroglyphic code from the Rosetta Stone just 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:44.800 a couple of decades before. So Egypt was like this 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:49.320 weird place with all sorts of strange cults and rituals. Yeah. 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:51.720 And it's just it's strange to me that something like 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:54.640 the occult, even on a minor level, sort of took 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:57.680 hold in the United States at one point. Uh. And 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:00.280 I don't know how if it was except to buy 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:03.840 the masses, but like you know, regular people and noteworthy 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:06.880 people would hold seances and try to communicate with their 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:10.760 dead relatives, usually through a medium who was usually female. 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:13.000 You're right, you know there weren't a lot of dudes 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:15.360 doing it. Uh No, there are a lot of dudes 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:19.040 who were involved in it, but the mediums were typically female, 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:23.440 and a lot of them used things that were like 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:26.880 the Luigi board talking boards. Yeah, like they you mentioned 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:29.120 the dial plate, which was a spinning wheel with letters 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:33.080 and numbers, and the alphabet board, which was sort of 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:35.760 like a Weigia board, but um, you just pointed to 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:39.160 different letters and waited for a response from the great beyond. 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:42.479 Some had a little pencil that would like actually write 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:45.279 things out right. That used the plan chet, which is 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:48.080 French for a little plank, which is a little uh, 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:51.720 a little board or something maybe like a circular disc 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:54.320 on three legs, and then one of the legs for 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:58.200 a writing plan chet. Um was basically a whole with 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:00.960 a pencil going through it, so that when the planet 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:05.120 moved using the medium's hands, but the spirit was really 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:10.480 in control, the pencil would write something hopefully. Uh So 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:14.400 back to the Wiji board, the official game version. Over 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:18.480 about seventy years, it changed ownership a few times, eventually 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:21.040 landing at Parker Brothers, which is now has Bro. Like 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:23.720 you pointed out right, Elijah Bon, the guy who, um, 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:25.640 he didn't come up with the first Ouiji board, but 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:27.520 he was the first one to make an improvement on 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:31.040 an existing patent and um, the Wuiji board, as we 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:34.000 understand it, that was his how we see it now, 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:36.760 and he actually went off after he sold the rights 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:42.240 to it to a guy named um Charles Nard. Uh, 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:46.600 Elijah Bon went off and created a rival version that 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:50.000 had a huge swastika on. It didn't perform so well. 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:52.880 Uh no, it did at first, because we're talking, I 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:55.440 could have that association was still like a mystical symbol. 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:58.600 But it was made by the Swastika Novelty Company in 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:02.200 West Virginia that he founded to produce this rival board, 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:06.360 and it's considered his other Wigi board. That's pretty funny, 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:10.320 isn't that weird? Yeah? My friend, my friend Jesse char 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:12.680 the other day tweeted something funny about design. I think 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:16.400 it was something like, of design is trying to make 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:20.720 something not look like a swastika or a penis. Al 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:22.120 thought that was pretty good. Did she make that up 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:23.960 or have you heard that? I have not heard of 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:27.280 that alright, so I'm giving credit to Jesse char So, 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:31.680 um check. The point is that Weiji board took this, 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:35.280 this thing that was being used by mediums as part 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:40.000 of a very serious spiritualism movement and said, hey, you 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:44.480 don't need um this crazy old lady to contact your 0:08:44.559 --> 0:08:47.520 dead uncle. Now you can buy one and do it 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:50.880 in your own home over cocktails, exactly. Um. And a 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:52.640 lot of people took it like that from the get go. 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:56.800 I think some people probably purchased Wiji boards seriously, but 0:08:56.880 --> 0:09:00.640 I think from from the outset it was a part 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:03.640 of a party. It was a conversation starter. Yeah, yeah, 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:07.400 something that that you just did socially too, for fun, 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:09.600 for sure. I think that there was always a large 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:13.280 segment of the Wegi board buying population that just took 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:16.960 it as as entertainment. Yeah, exactly, which it's probably how 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:20.080 you should take it. Uh. From Kennard, he had an 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:23.520 employee named William fold f U l D who uh 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:28.040 who basically took it over to the point where he 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:30.240 even stamped his name inventor on the back of it, 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:33.720 even though he wasn't. And he's credited as being sort 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:35.640 of the father of the Wigia board because he's the 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:38.480 one that really ran with it in a marketing sense 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:42.400 and brought it to the masses, and UH would do 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:45.200 all the press for it. Um He claimed that the 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:48.559 French and German words for yes, we and yah is 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:50.839 where the name comes from, even though that's not true. Well, 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:54.439 even before that, Charles Kinnard said that Um he came 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:56.840 up with the name by asking the board itself what 0:09:56.920 --> 0:09:59.600 it was called, and it's spelled out O U I J, 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:02.280 And he asked it what it meant, and the board 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:05.040 told him it was Egyptian for good luck. So that 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:07.760 was the story. And then yeah, I guess Fold was 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:12.080 like it means yes and yes, yes and yes pretty 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:14.800 much in French and German. It's pretty good. So, like 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:17.920 we said, um, Fold sold it to Parker Brothers, who 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:20.800 turned into Hasbro, and now when you buy a Wigi 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:25.439 brand Wigi board, it's from Hasbro. Yeah. And the article 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:28.840 here makes a point to U two call out the 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:33.320 Catholics for um, basically saying that it could be an 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:36.880 evil thing and not to use it. But as a 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:40.400 little Baptist boy, we were very much told not to 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:45.240 use a Weigia board. I remember specifically, um my uncle 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:48.920 like burning his Wigia board. Yeah, did he go out 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:51.880 and buy it just so he could burn it? Now 0:10:53.600 --> 0:10:55.440 we got a party going in my house. Yeah, it's 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:56.920 prettyunny to look back. When I was a kid, I 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:59.640 was like, yes, get rid of that evil thing. Were 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:01.480 you there when he burned it? No? I wasn't there, 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:03.000 but I heard about it, and that was just good 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:05.679 for him. That's cool throwing candy Land while you're at it, 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:09.280 because that game stinks? What it was? The Shoots and Ladders? 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:14.360 I never played that? Sorry? Remember that one? Yeah? That 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:16.760 one made you like hate the other people you played 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:19.520 with though, right, didn't couldn't you like get ahead by 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:23.040 screwing over your fellow players? That's I think that's why 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:25.280 it was called Sorry. Yeah, I think like if you 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:27.520 landed on someone, you sent him back at the beginning. 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:32.680 And yeah, yeah, maybe I just played with Jerk soon knows. 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:37.680 Maybe so? Um so chuck the Buigi board um From 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:42.280 the original Bond creation to the one you get today 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:46.600 from Parker Brothers, the design of it has changed very little. Yeah, 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:48.600 I guess we should describe it. I mean, I assume 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:50.640 most people have seen one, although you know I've never 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:53.000 used one. Have you? Oh? Yeah, when I was younger, 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:56.720 I'd totally be into trying it out. It's neat for fun, 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:59.160 you know, it's very neat, because I mean the thing 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:02.720 is just moving around the board by itself. All right. 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:04.720 So we will describe the board if you have not 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:09.120 seen it. Um. It has the alphabet and two different arcs, 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:13.120 has numbers below the alphabets. It has a yes in 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:16.680 one corner with I think a moon, and a no 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:20.840 in one corner with the sun. And therein lie the answers. 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:23.559 My friend, Oh, don't forget the most important part, basically 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:27.120 what amounts to the off button. It's goodbye written at 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:31.360 the bottom number. So yeah, it's sort of like a 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:35.440 satanic magic eight ball kind of, except this really works 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:39.800 and it's not satanic, right. Um. So the way that 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:44.640 you use um this talking board um, which again, if 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:46.720 you're interested in this and you want to see some 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:51.440 pretty cool old Buiji boards and the Swastika board as well, UM, 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:53.800 and another one called the Sphinx board, which I think 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:57.000 is the coolest one. It's from like the forties. Um. 0:12:57.040 --> 0:13:01.400 There's this awesome online museum called the Museum of Talking Boards, 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:03.719 and they have histories of all this, the history of 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:06.840 Luigi Board History of Talking Boards. UM. Just some really 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:09.800 great articles and images on there, So go check that 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:13.640 out because it's a pretty cool website. UM. But when 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:17.880 you're when you're using this, um, well, the instructions have 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:20.200 stayed the same too, not only the design but the 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:23.080 gameplay itself. It's just about the same as it was 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:26.120 way back in the nineteenth century, right. And when you 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:28.480 use this, they say you want to have two or 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:32.800 more people UM with their fingers lightly resting, just your 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:36.160 fingertips lightly resting on the plant chet. And we should 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:38.240 say the plant chet um like the other plant chet 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:41.240 that used a pencil to write. It's just a little 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:46.960 um plastic heart shape board, I guess, with three small 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:51.560 legs and then a circular um plastic covered disc in 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:54.080 the middle, clear plastic disc that you look through, and 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:58.520 the disc shows you the letter number or word that 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:01.240 the spirit is community hating. That's right. When you look 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:04.160 down through the plane chet, that's the letter word in question. 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:07.520 That's right. So you sit there, you ask a question aloud. 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:12.520 Everyone concentrates, no no joking around going on, no even 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:14.920 Fold himself said, do you want to make sure that 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:16.520 the people who are at the table are taking this 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:19.520 seriously or else second or words right? Well, even though 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:23.240 it was advertised for mirthmaking, you gotta cut the mirth 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:27.240 down when you're actually operating the board. Take the guy 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:29.440 who has the lampshade on his head, He's got to 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:32.400 get out of that room. Uh So, then you ask 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:36.600 the question, and then everyone watches, and the plan chet 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:43.240 as if by magic or Satan's dark powers, moves along 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:48.760 in either answers yes or no questions, or spells things out. Um, 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:52.320 you want somebody to jot down yeah, sure, the letters 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:55.160 or numbers as they are read out, and and in 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:57.520 the article it says ideally they spell out words or 0:14:57.520 --> 0:15:01.520 sentences they can the players can understand, right, Um, Like 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:04.360 it would if it's spelled out a nonsense word like wegia, 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:07.560 you would probably just say it's it's malfunctioning, or you 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:09.720 would say what does that mean, and then it would 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:12.960 spell out it's Egyptian for good luck, or German and 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:15.560 French free. Yes. I wonder if Weji boards always answer 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:18.760 the same when you ask them what wegia means. I 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:22.920 don't know. I started saying it differently all of a sudden, Sidewigi, 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:25.720 I just said wegia a couple of times. Interesting, how 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:27.880 do you pronounce the thing that you clean your windshield with? 0:15:28.560 --> 0:15:32.240 That a squiga or a squeegee? Yeah, but that's s 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:37.400 q u E g e E. There's three ees. No, 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:41.320 I'm just kidding. Um. And uh, evidently it can take 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:43.680 up to five minutes for the plan chet to start moving, 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:45.800 which I don't know if I would have the patience 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:47.600 for that, I know I might start moving it on 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:51.880 my own. Oh yeah, you know, well then you would 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:54.800 be the life of the party, especially if you said, 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:58.640 like I'm being contacted by the spirits. Right. If after 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:01.760 five minutes you don't get any movement from the plane chet, 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:03.760 you want to either ask the question again or ask 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:07.680 another question. Um. And there's some there's some tips for 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:13.320 using your jiboard to maximum capacity. Um. One of them 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:16.520 is concentration. Again, the dude with the lampshade needs to 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:19.080 go sit in the living room watch TV or something 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:22.680 while everybody else is doing this. Um, you want to 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:26.560 turn down the lights, maybe, burn some candles, burn some 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:30.080 in incense, turn off that smartphone and the TV. Maybe. Yeah, 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:32.680 And uh, you really want to concentrate and when you 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:39.920 ask questions, you want to ask them slowly, clearly simple questions. Um. 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:41.760 And you want to ask them one at a time 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:44.360 and wait for the answer the response before you ask 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:47.040 the next question. Yeah. And they also recommend that you 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:51.480 avoid um scary questions because that could lead you down 0:16:51.520 --> 0:16:56.480 a dark path, my friend, and always above all else 0:16:57.320 --> 0:17:00.760 in the game by saying goodbye, because if you leave 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:04.399 that portal open to the great beyond, the bad people 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:06.840 might come in through that portal and find you and 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:10.239 kill you. Ask Reagan from the Exorcists, right, things can 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:13.280 go pretty badly. So you want to end each session 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:16.640 with the planchet over goodbye and then breathe a sigh 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:20.800 of relief exactly um. And apparently if this doesn't work 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:23.800 the first time you do it, you shouldn't be frustrated. 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:27.400 In fact, the Museum of Talking Boards has a regiment 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:32.159 that they prescribe um thirty minutes of practice every day 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:36.720 for two weeks, and apparently you'll open your chakras or something, 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:40.320 and all of a sudden you will be speaking through 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:44.080 the Wigi board, or the spirits will be speaking through 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:47.520 you go through the Weigi board. Is that before after 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:53.639 the opium regimen that they advise, I think the Museum 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:58.920 of Talking Boards is Um, they're more historical, they're more 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:02.520 interested in the history background of the whole thing. So 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:06.320 let's talk about this for a minute. People sit down, 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:09.480 they put their fingertips on this thing. The plan Chett moves. 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:11.880 I mean it moves like we're not making this up. 0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:14.320 Like if you've never messed with a wigi board before, 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:16.880 like give it a shot with another friend, and like 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:19.680 the chances are the things going to just start moving 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:22.920 by itself. It's eerie, especially when you're younger. Now see, 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:24.639 I've never done it. I explained this to me. What 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:28.280 do you mean? I will show you so, um, I 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:32.639 get it. But the thing, this, this plan Chett, is 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:36.920 very light plastic. The feet might even have felt on 0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:39.280 them or something like that. It's designed to move very 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:45.360 easily forward. No I think original Planchet's headcast Um. But 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:50.159 you're just basically you're you're being pulled around the table. 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:52.280 So you actually want to be in a comfortable position 0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:55.639 because your fingertips are just sitting on this thing. And 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:58.160 then when you ask a question after a while, it'll move. 0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:01.160 I've never seen one move fast, but it just moves 0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:03.480 kind of slow. But I mean there's no question about 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:06.560 you're not thinking. Isn't moving like it's moving over to 0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:09.160 a letter and then it's moving over to another letter 0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:14.000 and then it's spelling something out. But you are moving it. No, 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:16.960 you're not in your head. Here here's the thing, like, 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:19.239 let's get to the science of this. You are in 0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:23.760 fact moving it and there, but you are not conscious 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:26.000 of moving it, which is the awesome part of it. 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:30.840 It's this thing called idio motion, Yeah, which is the 0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:32.760 IDEO and I didn't know if they were just being 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:36.480 fancy or not. It can go either way ideo ideo motion, 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:41.640 but the the it is an actual involuntary motion. It's 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:44.080 one of the types of involuntary motion of which human 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:47.600 beings are capable thanks to our muscles and neurons. Yeah. 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:50.800 It was coined by do named William Carpenter in to 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:54.679 explain dawsing rods, which is the same kind of you 0:19:54.720 --> 0:19:59.000 know thing basically, yeah, dawsing rods pendulums um. Idio motion 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:06.520 is where thought proceeds precedes movement, and the other part 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:09.520 of it is that we're unaware of that movement. Yeah, 0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:13.560 it's movement without owning that basically, So when you apply 0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:15.280 that to we ji boards, you have what's called the 0:20:15.280 --> 0:20:20.480 ideo motor effect, where you your thought is placed in 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:23.600 the form of a question to Theuiji board, and then 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:27.119 the movement, the unconscious movement. You're not aware that you're moving, 0:20:27.920 --> 0:20:31.680 UM moves to answer that question. So if you're thinking yes, 0:20:31.840 --> 0:20:35.200 like right, am I speaking with uh, you know, great 0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:39.360 uncle Charlie, and you really want to and you're you're thinking, yeah, man, 0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:43.520 I hope he's there. So you're unconscious or subconscious? Which 0:20:43.560 --> 0:20:46.480 is it? I would guess unconscious. I think it's unfashionable 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:51.680 to these subconsciousness. UM it would move it to the yes, 0:20:52.480 --> 0:20:54.520 but you wouldn't realize. You would think it was just moving. 0:20:54.640 --> 0:20:58.880 And and that that's where the Weji board fund comes from. Chuck, 0:20:58.960 --> 0:21:02.040 like you don't realize you're moving it like you you 0:21:02.119 --> 0:21:06.000 have no sensation of movement. And like you said, this 0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:10.520 is this idea. Emotion is a UM, it's it's we've 0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:12.920 understood it for a while since early eighteen hundreds, and 0:21:12.960 --> 0:21:16.600 even Fold himself in one of his patents said, and 0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:21.280 I think explained that it was moved by unconscious muscular 0:21:21.359 --> 0:21:24.600 movement of the briers. And back in the eighteen hundreds, 0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:30.160 this guy named Anton chevrel chevrole chavrell he Um basically 0:21:30.200 --> 0:21:33.959 proved this using a pendulum on a string. Yeah, and 0:21:34.000 --> 0:21:37.440 it's um. You've probably long heard about the the Old 0:21:37.440 --> 0:21:38.959 wives tale. If you want to find out what your 0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:42.439 baby's gender, you hold um like a ring on a 0:21:42.680 --> 0:21:46.280 string over the ballet and wait for it to move. 0:21:46.320 --> 0:21:48.160 And if it moves back and forth, it's a boy. 0:21:48.560 --> 0:21:51.840 That's circular, it's a girl. Um, And it's the same 0:21:51.880 --> 0:21:56.119 basic thing. Is this the chevrol pendulum? Basically, it's just 0:21:56.520 --> 0:22:01.840 idea emotion. In effect, you are unconsciously swinging the string. Yeah, 0:22:01.840 --> 0:22:05.080 and whichever way you probably desire exactly. That's what makes 0:22:05.119 --> 0:22:07.840 it so fascinating, is what you're really seeing is the 0:22:08.000 --> 0:22:14.359 unconscious telegraphing supposedly of the mother's wishes of what gender 0:22:14.440 --> 0:22:17.880 she would like, because she's in fact controlling it, but 0:22:18.000 --> 0:22:22.480 she's her muscles are moving so minutely that she's not 0:22:22.560 --> 0:22:25.199 aware of the movement. But since the pendulum is on 0:22:25.240 --> 0:22:29.440 the string, it really kind of really telegraphs these very 0:22:29.520 --> 0:22:33.119 very tiny movements, and then inertia takes over and it 0:22:33.160 --> 0:22:35.720 really starts going. So it just seems amazing because the 0:22:35.760 --> 0:22:40.000 hands not moving, but the ring is going crazy. It's 0:22:40.000 --> 0:22:43.440 going crazy. Uh, this is the same. If you ever 0:22:43.440 --> 0:22:48.240 heard of facilitated communication, it's pretty controversial. Um, you've probably 0:22:48.280 --> 0:22:51.720 seen it on the news. It's when basically a caregiver 0:22:51.840 --> 0:22:55.359 will guide the fingers of someone who's severely disabled over 0:22:55.560 --> 0:23:00.080 a typewriter, typewriter, a typing machine, over a keyboard to 0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:08.040 a computer. Uh, to supposedly get answers or communicate. Um. 0:23:08.080 --> 0:23:10.960 And it's very controversial. Uh. It started out in nineteen 0:23:11.040 --> 0:23:15.600 seven in Australia, this lady named Rosemary Crossley. Um. But 0:23:15.720 --> 0:23:20.359 the American Psychology Association basically says it's not scientifically valid. 0:23:21.080 --> 0:23:24.440 These are people that are just what facilitated communication. Yeah, 0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:28.520 that they're the caregiver is really guiding this conversation and 0:23:28.560 --> 0:23:32.680 it's really not coming from the person that's disabled. Right. 0:23:32.800 --> 0:23:35.600 The thing is is what makes this so tragic and 0:23:35.680 --> 0:23:39.120 sad is that the caregiver isn't aware that they're actually 0:23:39.320 --> 0:23:42.600