1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the all New Toyota Corolla. Welcome 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: to Stuff You Should Know from House Stuff Works dot com. Hey, 3 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, There's Charles W. 4 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: Chuck Bryant, Jerry's kind of here, uh, and this is 5 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: Stuff you Should Know. Yeah, this is the last podcast 6 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: these two today that we're recording in the infamous murder room. 7 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's right, yeah, murder room. Yeah, we're moving offices, 8 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 1: and what better thing to do than to have a seance, 9 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: which we're going to conduct after this episode records. You 10 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: don't worry about this first. Yeah, we're having a seance, buddy, 11 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:50,959 Speaker 1: I don't know about that. We're gonna get down, We're 12 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: gonna get down to brass tacks and answer all the 13 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: unknown questions. Well, you know, I'll tell you what. I 14 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: will have a seance with you using a Wuiji board, 15 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: because now I know how they work and I'm not 16 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: quite as scared of them as I used to be 17 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: saying after I saw The Exorcist. Yeah, I say Wegi, Yeah, 18 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: I kind of do too, although I think it's probably 19 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: Wegia right not to be confused with the crimes photographer 20 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 1: Weig we're talking about the board. Although yeah, I think 21 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: some people say we ja. Yeah. I just think it's interesting. 22 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 1: I said WEGI since I was a kid. Yeah, I 23 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 1: mean too, But I also say reci cup instead of Reese's. 24 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: Umi does too? You mean do yeah? And I'm like, no, 25 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: it's Reese's. They're like, no, it's Recy's. Yeah. Well I 26 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:33,559 Speaker 1: don't even say Reese's. I'd just say a reci cup. 27 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: I think they think they need too people in their quirks. Yeah, foibles, 28 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: I say foibles. Uh yeah. You should hear him sing 29 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: that potato potato song everybody Yeah, which apparently I got 30 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: snookered on that. By the way. That's an old, an 31 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: old bit. So I was snookered by an urban legend. 32 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: What the whole potato Potato song? Where I say, like, yeah, 33 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: a friend of mine's friend Audish end with this piece 34 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: and sang it wrong. You thought it was for real? Yeah, 35 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: of course I did. I've never heard that before. It's 36 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: very funny. Had you heard that, um now, because you 37 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: would have stopped me. I know I have heard it before, 38 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: but it wasn't too long ago. Was it from my mouth? Maybe? 39 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: But I didn't think like that. It was it actually happened. 40 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: I think anyway, we gig board um, and I mentioned 41 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: exorcists already saw that, right, of course a bunch of times. Enough, 42 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: here's the trivia question for you. What is the name 43 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: of the spirit Reagan communicates with. I didn't even have 44 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: to look this up? Uh through her Wegi board? Geez, 45 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: I don't remember Captain Howdy? Shut up? No, do you remember? Now? 46 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: Captain Howdy was who she's talking with? Who is the devil? 47 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: I guess that was one of his aliases. I wonder 48 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 1: if he has like a double passport that says Captain 49 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: Howdy on the whole Satan Lucifer. Yeah, I didn't know that. Yeah, 50 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: it's true. That makes it a little less frightening. So um, 51 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: what was that the early seventies that exercise came out right, 52 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: I think? Um? And the Wigi board, the one she 53 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 1: was playing with, I believe was a Parker Brothers Buigi board. 54 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: Was it now has bro Um and that was this 55 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: mass manufactured, mass marketed toy game. But it was actually 56 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: based on like a real phenomenon that we've talked about 57 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: here on this show. Before the spiritualism movement of the 58 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: nineteenth century, the Luigi board first made its appearance around then. 59 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:47,119 Speaker 1: Supposedly they claimed providence for this way further back than that, 60 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: but there's no real evidence that the Luigi board itself 61 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: is any older than the mid nineteenth century and that 62 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: it's American in origin. Yeah, the actual Wijia brand board 63 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: is what you're talking about, right, right, or talking boards 64 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: in general, which is another name for like a Wuiji 65 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: board as a talking board, but not all talking boards 66 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: are Wigi boards, that's right. So you're saying there's no 67 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: evidence that they existed before, like in the eight hundreds 68 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: before that. Before that, No, there there people did use divination. 69 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 1: There is a pretty good source a fourth century BC 70 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: Greek scholar who wrote a history um who talks about 71 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: a pair of men who were killed for dividor for 72 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: using divination. But they used a pendulum and a disc 73 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,799 Speaker 1: with the alphabet around it to spell out a message. 74 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: So there were divinations. People did use um like alpha style. Yeah, 75 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if they use a plan chet. But 76 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: the Wigi board itself, despite being marketed for many years, 77 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 1: is something from Egyptian antiquity, is probably something no or 78 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: that was created no earlier in the mid nineteenth century 79 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 1: in the States. Well and is Uh an attorney name 80 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: Alijaban patented what was called the Uijia Egyptian luck board. Um. 81 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 1: And it's important to point out when when these things 82 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: are marketed, they when you read the fine print, they 83 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 1: never claim to be able to, you know, talk with 84 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: the spirits. It's like just sort of it's a game, right, 85 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: It's a game now, And it was once it became 86 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: mass marketed, they they started the Yeah, but in one 87 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: it was part of this larger offshoot of spiritualism. Yeah. 88 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: And we talked a bit about egythology, and it's sort 89 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: of all ties in seances were big. Do you remember 90 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: they cracked the hieroglyphic code from the Rosetta Stone just 91 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: a couple of decades before. So Egypt was like this 92 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: weird place with all sorts of strange cults and rituals. Yeah. 93 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: And it's just it's strange to me that something like 94 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: the occult, even on a minor level, sort of took 95 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: hold in the United States at one point. Uh. And 96 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: I don't know how if it was except to buy 97 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 1: the masses, but like you know, regular people and noteworthy 98 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: people would hold seances and try to communicate with their 99 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: dead relatives, usually through a medium who was usually female. 100 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: You're right, you know there weren't a lot of dudes 101 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: doing it. Uh No, there are a lot of dudes 102 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 1: who were involved in it, but the mediums were typically female, 103 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: and a lot of them used things that were like 104 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: the Luigi board talking boards. Yeah, like they you mentioned 105 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: the dial plate, which was a spinning wheel with letters 106 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: and numbers, and the alphabet board, which was sort of 107 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: like a Weigia board, but um, you just pointed to 108 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 1: different letters and waited for a response from the great beyond. 109 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 1: Some had a little pencil that would like actually write 110 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: things out right. That used the plan chet, which is 111 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: French for a little plank, which is a little uh, 112 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 1: a little board or something maybe like a circular disc 113 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: on three legs, and then one of the legs for 114 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: a writing plan chet. Um was basically a whole with 115 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: a pencil going through it, so that when the planet 116 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: moved using the medium's hands, but the spirit was really 117 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: in control, the pencil would write something hopefully. Uh So 118 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: back to the Wiji board, the official game version. Over 119 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: about seventy years, it changed ownership a few times, eventually 120 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: landing at Parker Brothers, which is now has Bro. Like 121 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: you pointed out right, Elijah Bon, the guy who, um, 122 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: he didn't come up with the first Ouiji board, but 123 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: he was the first one to make an improvement on 124 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: an existing patent and um, the Wuiji board, as we 125 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: understand it, that was his how we see it now, 126 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: and he actually went off after he sold the rights 127 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: to it to a guy named um Charles Nard. Uh, 128 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: Elijah Bon went off and created a rival version that 129 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: had a huge swastika on. It didn't perform so well. 130 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: Uh no, it did at first, because we're talking, I 131 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: could have that association was still like a mystical symbol. 132 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: But it was made by the Swastika Novelty Company in 133 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: West Virginia that he founded to produce this rival board, 134 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: and it's considered his other Wigi board. That's pretty funny, 135 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: isn't that weird? Yeah? My friend, my friend Jesse char 136 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: the other day tweeted something funny about design. I think 137 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: it was something like, of design is trying to make 138 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: something not look like a swastika or a penis. Al 139 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: thought that was pretty good. Did she make that up 140 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: or have you heard that? I have not heard of 141 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: that alright, so I'm giving credit to Jesse char So, 142 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: um check. The point is that Weiji board took this, 143 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: this thing that was being used by mediums as part 144 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: of a very serious spiritualism movement and said, hey, you 145 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: don't need um this crazy old lady to contact your 146 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: dead uncle. Now you can buy one and do it 147 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: in your own home over cocktails, exactly. Um. And a 148 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: lot of people took it like that from the get go. 149 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: I think some people probably purchased Wiji boards seriously, but 150 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: I think from from the outset it was a part 151 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: of a party. It was a conversation starter. Yeah, yeah, 152 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: something that that you just did socially too, for fun, 153 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: for sure. I think that there was always a large 154 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: segment of the Wegi board buying population that just took 155 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 1: it as as entertainment. Yeah, exactly, which it's probably how 156 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: you should take it. Uh. From Kennard, he had an 157 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: employee named William fold f U l D who uh 158 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: who basically took it over to the point where he 159 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: even stamped his name inventor on the back of it, 160 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: even though he wasn't. And he's credited as being sort 161 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: of the father of the Wigia board because he's the 162 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: one that really ran with it in a marketing sense 163 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: and brought it to the masses, and UH would do 164 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 1: all the press for it. Um He claimed that the 165 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 1: French and German words for yes, we and yah is 166 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:50,839 Speaker 1: where the name comes from, even though that's not true. Well, 167 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,439 Speaker 1: even before that, Charles Kinnard said that Um he came 168 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: up with the name by asking the board itself what 169 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: it was called, and it's spelled out O U I J, 170 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: And he asked it what it meant, and the board 171 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: told him it was Egyptian for good luck. So that 172 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: was the story. And then yeah, I guess Fold was 173 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: like it means yes and yes, yes and yes pretty 174 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: much in French and German. It's pretty good. So, like 175 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: we said, um, Fold sold it to Parker Brothers, who 176 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: turned into Hasbro, and now when you buy a Wigi 177 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:25,439 Speaker 1: brand Wigi board, it's from Hasbro. Yeah. And the article 178 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: here makes a point to U two call out the 179 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: Catholics for um, basically saying that it could be an 180 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: evil thing and not to use it. But as a 181 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: little Baptist boy, we were very much told not to 182 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: use a Weigia board. I remember specifically, um my uncle 183 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: like burning his Wigia board. Yeah, did he go out 184 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: and buy it just so he could burn it? Now 185 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: we got a party going in my house. Yeah, it's 186 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: prettyunny to look back. When I was a kid, I 187 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: was like, yes, get rid of that evil thing. Were 188 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: you there when he burned it? No? I wasn't there, 189 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: but I heard about it, and that was just good 190 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 1: for him. That's cool throwing candy Land while you're at it, 191 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: because that game stinks? What it was? The Shoots and Ladders? 192 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: I never played that? Sorry? Remember that one? Yeah? That 193 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: one made you like hate the other people you played 194 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: with though, right, didn't couldn't you like get ahead by 195 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: screwing over your fellow players? That's I think that's why 196 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: it was called Sorry. Yeah, I think like if you 197 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: landed on someone, you sent him back at the beginning. 198 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, maybe I just played with Jerk soon knows. 199 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 1: Maybe so? Um so chuck the Buigi board um From 200 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: the original Bond creation to the one you get today 201 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: from Parker Brothers, the design of it has changed very little. Yeah, 202 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: I guess we should describe it. I mean, I assume 203 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: most people have seen one, although you know I've never 204 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: used one. Have you? Oh? Yeah, when I was younger, 205 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: I'd totally be into trying it out. It's neat for fun, 206 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: you know, it's very neat, because I mean the thing 207 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: is just moving around the board by itself. All right. 208 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 1: So we will describe the board if you have not 209 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: seen it. Um. It has the alphabet and two different arcs, 210 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: has numbers below the alphabets. It has a yes in 211 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 1: one corner with I think a moon, and a no 212 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: in one corner with the sun. And therein lie the answers. 213 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 1: My friend, Oh, don't forget the most important part, basically 214 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: what amounts to the off button. It's goodbye written at 215 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: the bottom number. So yeah, it's sort of like a 216 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 1: satanic magic eight ball kind of, except this really works 217 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: and it's not satanic, right. Um. So the way that 218 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: you use um this talking board um, which again, if 219 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: you're interested in this and you want to see some 220 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 1: pretty cool old Buiji boards and the Swastika board as well, UM, 221 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: and another one called the Sphinx board, which I think 222 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: is the coolest one. It's from like the forties. Um. 223 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: There's this awesome online museum called the Museum of Talking Boards, 224 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,719 Speaker 1: and they have histories of all this, the history of 225 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 1: Luigi Board History of Talking Boards. UM. Just some really 226 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: great articles and images on there, So go check that 227 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: out because it's a pretty cool website. UM. But when 228 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: you're when you're using this, um, well, the instructions have 229 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 1: stayed the same too, not only the design but the 230 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: gameplay itself. It's just about the same as it was 231 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: way back in the nineteenth century, right. And when you 232 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: use this, they say you want to have two or 233 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: more people UM with their fingers lightly resting, just your 234 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: fingertips lightly resting on the plant chet. And we should 235 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: say the plant chet um like the other plant chet 236 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: that used a pencil to write. It's just a little 237 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 1: um plastic heart shape board, I guess, with three small 238 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: legs and then a circular um plastic covered disc in 239 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 1: the middle, clear plastic disc that you look through, and 240 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: the disc shows you the letter number or word that 241 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: the spirit is community hating. That's right. When you look 242 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: down through the plane chet, that's the letter word in question. 243 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: That's right. So you sit there, you ask a question aloud. 244 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: Everyone concentrates, no no joking around going on, no even 245 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: Fold himself said, do you want to make sure that 246 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: the people who are at the table are taking this 247 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: seriously or else second or words right? Well, even though 248 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: it was advertised for mirthmaking, you gotta cut the mirth 249 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: down when you're actually operating the board. Take the guy 250 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: who has the lampshade on his head, He's got to 251 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: get out of that room. Uh So, then you ask 252 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: the question, and then everyone watches, and the plan chet 253 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: as if by magic or Satan's dark powers, moves along 254 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: in either answers yes or no questions, or spells things out. Um, 255 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 1: you want somebody to jot down yeah, sure, the letters 256 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: or numbers as they are read out, and and in 257 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: the article it says ideally they spell out words or 258 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: sentences they can the players can understand, right, Um, Like 259 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: it would if it's spelled out a nonsense word like wegia, 260 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: you would probably just say it's it's malfunctioning, or you 261 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: would say what does that mean, and then it would 262 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: spell out it's Egyptian for good luck, or German and 263 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: French free. Yes. I wonder if Weji boards always answer 264 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: the same when you ask them what wegia means. I 265 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: don't know. I started saying it differently all of a sudden, Sidewigi, 266 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: I just said wegia a couple of times. Interesting, how 267 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: do you pronounce the thing that you clean your windshield with? 268 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: That a squiga or a squeegee? Yeah, but that's s 269 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: q u E g e E. There's three ees. No, 270 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. Um. And uh, evidently it can take 271 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: up to five minutes for the plan chet to start moving, 272 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: which I don't know if I would have the patience 273 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: for that, I know I might start moving it on 274 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: my own. Oh yeah, you know, well then you would 275 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: be the life of the party, especially if you said, 276 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: like I'm being contacted by the spirits. Right. If after 277 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: five minutes you don't get any movement from the plane chet, 278 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: you want to either ask the question again or ask 279 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: another question. Um. And there's some there's some tips for 280 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: using your jiboard to maximum capacity. Um. One of them 281 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: is concentration. Again, the dude with the lampshade needs to 282 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: go sit in the living room watch TV or something 283 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: while everybody else is doing this. Um, you want to 284 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: turn down the lights, maybe, burn some candles, burn some 285 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: in incense, turn off that smartphone and the TV. Maybe. Yeah, 286 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: And uh, you really want to concentrate and when you 287 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: ask questions, you want to ask them slowly, clearly simple questions. Um. 288 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: And you want to ask them one at a time 289 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: and wait for the answer the response before you ask 290 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: the next question. Yeah. And they also recommend that you 291 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: avoid um scary questions because that could lead you down 292 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: a dark path, my friend, and always above all else 293 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: in the game by saying goodbye, because if you leave 294 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 1: that portal open to the great beyond, the bad people 295 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: might come in through that portal and find you and 296 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:10,239 Speaker 1: kill you. Ask Reagan from the Exorcists, right, things can 297 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: go pretty badly. So you want to end each session 298 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 1: with the planchet over goodbye and then breathe a sigh 299 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: of relief exactly um. And apparently if this doesn't work 300 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: the first time you do it, you shouldn't be frustrated. 301 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 1: In fact, the Museum of Talking Boards has a regiment 302 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 1: that they prescribe um thirty minutes of practice every day 303 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: for two weeks, and apparently you'll open your chakras or something, 304 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you will be speaking through 305 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: the Wigi board, or the spirits will be speaking through 306 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: you go through the Weigi board. Is that before after 307 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 1: the opium regimen that they advise, I think the Museum 308 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 1: of Talking Boards is Um, they're more historical, they're more 309 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: interested in the history background of the whole thing. So 310 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: let's talk about this for a minute. People sit down, 311 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: they put their fingertips on this thing. The plan Chett moves. 312 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 1: I mean it moves like we're not making this up. 313 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: Like if you've never messed with a wigi board before, 314 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 1: like give it a shot with another friend, and like 315 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 1: the chances are the things going to just start moving 316 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 1: by itself. It's eerie, especially when you're younger. Now see, 317 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 1: I've never done it. I explained this to me. What 318 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: do you mean? I will show you so, um, I 319 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: get it. But the thing, this, this plan Chett, is 320 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 1: very light plastic. The feet might even have felt on 321 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: them or something like that. It's designed to move very 322 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:45,360 Speaker 1: easily forward. No I think original Planchet's headcast Um. But 323 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 1: you're just basically you're you're being pulled around the table. 324 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: So you actually want to be in a comfortable position 325 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 1: because your fingertips are just sitting on this thing. And 326 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 1: then when you ask a question after a while, it'll move. 327 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 1: I've never seen one move fast, but it just moves 328 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: kind of slow. But I mean there's no question about 329 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: you're not thinking. Isn't moving like it's moving over to 330 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 1: a letter and then it's moving over to another letter 331 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: and then it's spelling something out. But you are moving it. No, 332 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: you're not in your head. Here here's the thing, like, 333 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:19,239 Speaker 1: let's get to the science of this. You are in 334 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: fact moving it and there, but you are not conscious 335 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: of moving it, which is the awesome part of it. 336 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: It's this thing called idio motion, Yeah, which is the 337 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: IDEO and I didn't know if they were just being 338 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: fancy or not. It can go either way ideo ideo motion, 339 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 1: but the the it is an actual involuntary motion. It's 340 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: one of the types of involuntary motion of which human 341 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: beings are capable thanks to our muscles and neurons. Yeah. 342 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: It was coined by do named William Carpenter in to 343 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:54,679 Speaker 1: explain dawsing rods, which is the same kind of you 344 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: know thing basically, yeah, dawsing rods pendulums um. Idio motion 345 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: is where thought proceeds precedes movement, and the other part 346 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: of it is that we're unaware of that movement. Yeah, 347 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: it's movement without owning that basically, So when you apply 348 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: that to we ji boards, you have what's called the 349 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: ideo motor effect, where you your thought is placed in 350 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: the form of a question to Theuiji board, and then 351 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 1: the movement, the unconscious movement. You're not aware that you're moving, 352 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 1: UM moves to answer that question. So if you're thinking yes, 353 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 1: like right, am I speaking with uh, you know, great 354 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:39,360 Speaker 1: uncle Charlie, and you really want to and you're you're thinking, yeah, man, 355 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: I hope he's there. So you're unconscious or subconscious? Which 356 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: is it? I would guess unconscious. I think it's unfashionable 357 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 1: to these subconsciousness. UM it would move it to the yes, 358 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: but you wouldn't realize. You would think it was just moving. 359 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 1: And and that that's where the Weji board fund comes from. Chuck, 360 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: like you don't realize you're moving it like you you 361 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: have no sensation of movement. And like you said, this 362 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: is this idea. Emotion is a UM, it's it's we've 363 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 1: understood it for a while since early eighteen hundreds, and 364 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: even Fold himself in one of his patents said, and 365 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: I think explained that it was moved by unconscious muscular 366 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: movement of the briers. And back in the eighteen hundreds, 367 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 1: this guy named Anton chevrel chevrole chavrell he Um basically 368 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,959 Speaker 1: proved this using a pendulum on a string. Yeah, and 369 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 1: it's um. You've probably long heard about the the Old 370 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:38,959 Speaker 1: wives tale. If you want to find out what your 371 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,439 Speaker 1: baby's gender, you hold um like a ring on a 372 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: string over the ballet and wait for it to move. 373 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,160 Speaker 1: And if it moves back and forth, it's a boy. 374 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: That's circular, it's a girl. Um, And it's the same 375 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 1: basic thing. Is this the chevrol pendulum? Basically, it's just 376 00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: idea emotion. In effect, you are unconsciously swinging the string. Yeah, 377 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: and whichever way you probably desire exactly. That's what makes 378 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: it so fascinating, is what you're really seeing is the 379 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: unconscious telegraphing supposedly of the mother's wishes of what gender 380 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,880 Speaker 1: she would like, because she's in fact controlling it, but 381 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: she's her muscles are moving so minutely that she's not 382 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,199 Speaker 1: aware of the movement. But since the pendulum is on 383 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 1: the string, it really kind of really telegraphs these very 384 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 1: very tiny movements, and then inertia takes over and it 385 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: really starts going. So it just seems amazing because the 386 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: hands not moving, but the ring is going crazy. It's 387 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 1: going crazy. Uh, this is the same. If you ever 388 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: heard of facilitated communication, it's pretty controversial. Um, you've probably 389 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: seen it on the news. It's when basically a caregiver 390 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 1: will guide the fingers of someone who's severely disabled over 391 00:22:55,560 --> 00:23:00,080 Speaker 1: a typewriter, typewriter, a typing machine, over a keyboard to 392 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: a computer. Uh, to supposedly get answers or communicate. Um. 393 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: And it's very controversial. Uh. It started out in nineteen 394 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: seven in Australia, this lady named Rosemary Crossley. Um. But 395 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 1: the American Psychology Association basically says it's not scientifically valid. 396 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 1: These are people that are just what facilitated communication. Yeah, 397 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: that they're the caregiver is really guiding this conversation and 398 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 1: it's really not coming from the person that's disabled. Right. 399 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: The thing is is what makes this so tragic and 400 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 1: sad is that the caregiver isn't aware that they're actually 401 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: making these movements. Again, all of this is unconscious. You 402 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: can't tell you're making this movement. And so since the 403 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: profoundly handicapped person is moving their hand, the caregiver thinks 404 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,479 Speaker 1: that it's them. It's the it's the handicapped persons, not 405 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,360 Speaker 1: like they're trying to snow somebody. They and they may 406 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: even really really want this person to communicate and say 407 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: the things. Yeah, they're still studying at Syracuse University actually 408 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: has UM since nineteen ninety two. It was the FC 409 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 1: Institute now it's the Institute on Communication and Inclusion. Are 410 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: still studying it. And you know the controversy as usuals 411 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 1: between the skeptics and the believers. Oh well, that's that's 412 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 1: the thing. If you want to see who who believes 413 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,239 Speaker 1: in the idea motor effect, type that into Google. It's 414 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: all like skeptics dictionary, skeptics, skeptic, Like every entry is skeptic. 415 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 1: But if you type in IDEO emotion you get UM. 416 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: You know, peer reviewed scientific literature on that. It's just 417 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 1: the IDEO motor effect is basically taking the proven idea 418 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: emotion and applying it to debunk things like Buiji boards. Uh. 419 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 1: They did a study in the University of British Columbia 420 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 1: just last year and UM basically they said it's strongest 421 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: when there are multiple people on the plan chet And 422 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: they tested this by blindfold thing people saying you've got 423 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 1: someone else on the board with you, and when in 424 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: fact there was no one else on the board, the 425 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: person would still say it was the other person moving it. 426 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 1: They would say there was no other person, right, and 427 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: then they say, well, then it was the spirits moving in. 428 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 1: I guess that's funny that no one says it's the 429 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: spirits moving into. That's always the other person who's moving in. 430 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: That's a pretty, um, pretty common trade of any Wiji 431 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: board game. That you're sitting there going like, you're moving it. No, 432 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: you're moving it. No, I'm really not moving it. That's 433 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: that's how it comes. And then uh, with two people 434 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,919 Speaker 1: working in tandem, you have two sets of muscles moving 435 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: unconsciously but you know, making a movement. Um. You have 436 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 1: one person relinquishing responsibility because they think it's the other person, 437 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:55,880 Speaker 1: which they think freeze the muscles to move even more 438 00:25:55,960 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 1: strongly because you're saying it's not me, it's the other person. Um. 439 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 1: And if they both have a common goal, then the 440 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 1: planchet will move even more um briskly. I guess like, 441 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: if both girls are like, it's gonna move to be 442 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 1: R A D, then you know that planchet is gonna 443 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 1: move to those letters in that order. But they're both 444 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: going to be like I'm not moving. Uh, well, hold on, 445 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: before we get into any real life stories, we want 446 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: to do a message break and we're back. So should 447 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 1: we talk about a couple of these stories, umluigia, Are 448 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 1: they real? Are they not stories? Sure? The Herds of 449 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: Kansas City, Yeah, this is pretty crazy. Herbert heard killed 450 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 1: his wife Nellie, shot her in the back four times. Um, 451 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,679 Speaker 1: and you would think what a jerk. But what happened 452 00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: was there they were elderly, they were in their set 453 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 1: and these um they played with the Wigia board one 454 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,679 Speaker 1: night and um, Nellie claimed that she received a message 455 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: saying her husband was stepping out on her. So ar 456 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: gave like fi dollars to the other lady. Even that's 457 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 1: probably like their life savings, um. And so what happened 458 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: was Nellie tortured him, tied them to a bed post, 459 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: whipped him with a knotted rope, burned him with a 460 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: red hot poker, stabbed a knife into his shins, and 461 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: forced a confession by holding a gun to his head. 462 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: And eventually she left the the gun on the bedside 463 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,640 Speaker 1: table there Herbert got ahold of it and killed her. 464 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,719 Speaker 1: And UM, can't really blame Herbert and apparently the courts 465 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 1: did not what else you got any other ones? Uh? Yeah, 466 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: there's a m It was called an Italian enclave in 467 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: El Cerrito, California. The Italian community there apparently experienced a 468 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: wave of mass hysteria that landed several people in uh 469 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 1: an asylum because of Wiji board use. When the town 470 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: went crazy. Yeah, one policeman like tore off his clothes 471 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,400 Speaker 1: and ran into a bank. And um, there's a lot 472 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: of craziness that happened. It was just massisteria, I guess. 473 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,400 Speaker 1: And the town was like, you know what, no more 474 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: Weiji boards. And finally, in British authors sax Rohmer supposedly 475 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: came up with his villain Dr Fu Manchu when his 476 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: Wiji board spelled out Chinaman. So, um, his Wigi board 477 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: was racist. M yeah, and uh you know he says, 478 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: that's where it came from. So here's the thing. If 479 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: you ever want to test whether Wiji boards are the 480 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: result of idea motion and the players actually moving it 481 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: or not, to the Goodwill and buy one for three 482 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: dollars and then and then do this very very simple test. 483 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: You blindfold the yours, you turn the board ninety degrees, 484 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: so that anybody who's memorized the layout of Aligi board 485 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: can't cheat it right, And then ask them some questions 486 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: and you're not going to get any kind of sensible answer. 487 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: And if you do, then you need to trade carefully 488 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: because you just unlike the gate to the spirit world, 489 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 1: don't forget to tell it goodbye, to seal off that gate. 490 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: I always remember put it on goodbye folks. So uh 491 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: you here anything else? I've got nothing else. I feel 492 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: like here in my forties, after knowing now that they're 493 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: not evil tools of Satan, then I would like to 494 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: try it out sometime on a on a Friday night 495 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: with good friends. Yeah, we'll play little cards against humanity. 496 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: We'll play some wegia and then risk and risk to 497 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: wind it all out with the big bang. Um, invite 498 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: me over. So if you want to learn more about wegia, 499 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: weigi that kind the thing, you can again go check 500 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: out the Museum of Talking Boards. Pretty sweet. And also 501 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: you should read this article on how stuff works dot com. 502 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 1: Type oh U I j A into the handy search 503 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: bar and it will bring up this article. And since 504 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: I said, um search bar in there somewhere, I think 505 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: it's time for listener mail, I'm gonna call this crack baby. Jeez. 506 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: We we got some good response on the old crack episode, 507 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: which was a good one. I think kill lately. Hey, guys, 508 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: just finished listening to the story on crack cocaine. It 509 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: reminded me of a story of a crack baby from 510 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: many years ago. It's round two thousand one. I was 511 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: doing volunteer work at the local children's hospital in the 512 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 1: neonatal I see you holding babies, um. I came in 513 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 1: one day and one of the nurses told me to 514 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 1: go hold this one particular baby. She told me it 515 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: was a crack baby that had been crying NonStop for 516 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: three days and hadn't slept. So I washed up. I 517 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 1: went to go hold this baby, held the baby in 518 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: my arms and just look that the baby, and the 519 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: baby was crying, eyes closed NonStop, just crying, crying, crying, crying. 520 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 1: After several minutes, the baby's eyes opened a little bit 521 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: and then closed again, would keep crying, tears or flowing 522 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: the whole time. After several minutes of that, her eyes 523 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 1: would remain open longer and longer, but the baby was 524 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: still crying and the tears were still flowing. After several 525 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: more minutes, the baby's eyes stayed open, looking at me, 526 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: crying a little bit less. The baby started crying less 527 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: and less and less, then after several minutes, was smiling, 528 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: giggling and cooing and making all those nice happy baby noises. 529 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: After several more minutes of that, the baby's eyes started 530 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 1: to close, and soon she was asleep, sleeping for the 531 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 1: first time in three days. It was a wonderful experience 532 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: that I will remember forever. Jim from Austin, Texas, that's 533 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: pretty cool. He cooed a crack baby to sleep sooth. 534 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 1: He's a sooth sayer. That's soothe coore you go, Jim, 535 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 1: Yeah uh, And now he brings it Christmas presents every year. 536 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: That would be a great story. Do it, Jim. Uh. 537 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: If you have something to tell us that you've done 538 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: based on something we talked about, I would say that's 539 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: that Jim story falls under that umbrella, wouldn't you We 540 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: want to hear about it. 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