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Speaker 1: is an episode we recorded back in January in Philadelphia

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Speaker 1: about the sixth sins Enjoy on the Beck dol Cast.

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Speaker 1: The questions asked if movies have women and them? Are

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Speaker 1: del Cast. Everybody welcome here, we are Philadelphia. We're back.

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Speaker 1: Who's who's been here to see us before? Oh? I

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Speaker 1: the bectel Cast. My name is Caitlin Dronte, I'm Jamie

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Speaker 1: And then practical who has not listened to the Bechtel Cast.

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Speaker 1: there's work to be done. So today's movie is the

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Speaker 1: sixth sense? Who has seen the movie? Kah and has

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Speaker 1: it's like worse than I thought. He might need hospitalization

419
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: and medication, and then proceeds to not do anything about it.

420
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: Like he's just like, well, we'll just meet like several

421
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 1: more times. I'll go to his play. So that's like

422
00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: also dr patient, Like that breaches something right, Like imagine

423
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: if if my like therapist came to like here, I

424
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: would be like get stage less talk. But like, but

425
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 1: in theory, that's very unprofessional, Yes, I think so. But

426
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: one okay, but one thing I did like that Bruce

427
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: Willis does was when he leaves the first place he

428
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 1: goes to two plays. Also he's like school has so

429
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: many plays, which goes into the whole daddy issues thing

430
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: that I have later. But um, at the end of

431
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 1: the first play, he's like, well it was better than cats,

432
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: and You're like, you fucking idiot, like this was not

433
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: better than and then we're like, oh, well, I never

434
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: was there ever. A cat's so clever imagine, and there's

435
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: and there's also like, first of all, like Hailey Hilsmond

436
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: wishes he was Skimble Shanks in his wildest dreams and

437
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: he could have done I have no doubt, but you know,

438
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: which was a majority British cast. But all that to say, um,

439
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: you know what is that phrase about people? Is it?

440
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: People in glass houses? Shouldn't throw stones? M night shimels

441
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: coming after Cats? I'm like, it's all bad, honey, Like

442
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: it's all you can't be like in the middle of

443
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: the sixth sense the stupidest movie ever and be like

444
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: Cat sucked, right, I'm like, sir, it all sucked. Like

445
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: calm down, I okay, I don't think this movie is terrible.

446
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think it's terrible. I just think

447
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: it's dumb. It's very stupid. Dumb movies are fun all

448
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: the time. For example Cats, of course, can I ask

449
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: my questions? Ask your questions? Thank you so much. Okay,

450
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: So the movie does a little bit to show the

451
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: Malcolm and his his his wife have grown apart and

452
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: they don't really talk anymore. But we're to believe that

453
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: he's been dead for several months. He's been doing for

454
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 1: a while, and then it's like we just I'm mean,

455
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: the story logic is so bizarre where it's like, I mean,

456
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,719
Speaker 1: and most people did suspend their disbelief, like I mean,

457
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: including me, and but it's like we're to believe that, um,

458
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: Bruce Willis has not spoken to his wife, had a conversation,

459
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: they wouldn't have had sex or like kissed or anything

460
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: like that, which I mean, it happens, but like I mean,

461
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: if you're not even having a conversation, eventually you're gonna

462
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: be like, hey, you like okay, So like that would

463
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: be me like day two, I mean I would be like,

464
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:40,959
Speaker 1: excuse me, past the but what does he been eating? You? Right?

465
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: What does he She's been making dinner for one And

466
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: then like day fifty, he's like I'm hungry, Like what

467
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: you would you humor me, Jamie and you pretend to

468
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: be my wife and I'll be dead Bruce Willis, and

469
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: You're just gonna have to ignore everything I day because

470
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: I'm dead right, Okay, I'm horny for someone. Also, it

471
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: is kind of okay, wait, can I break um the

472
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: fact that it has only been a couple of months,

473
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: and she's like, I should probably be fucking I'm like,

474
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: you know what, everyone grieves differently. I'm okay with a

475
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: very horny grief. Okay, So you're my bed his wife

476
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,959
Speaker 1: and his wife. Hey, honey, how was your day at work? Honey?

477
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: Did you have Why are you ignoring me? Did you

478
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: have a bad day? Something wrong? Yeah? That's also we

479
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: were to believe that she hasn't talked about it at all,

480
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: like he's never walking on her on the phone, being

481
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: like so about my husband's assets, like right, or like

482
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: the funeral, the funeral? Where was he what? Or I

483
00:31:58,480 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: mean it was it? Are we supposed to believe that

484
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: maybe he like came to said but then we okay,

485
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: someone saying yes. But then it's also like he's acting

486
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: like we've been growing apart for months and so I

487
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know. It doesn't make sense. But

488
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: it was nominated for many oscars, not the first time. Okay.

489
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: So does Malcolm not notice or care that he apparently

490
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: has only one patient and it's and one outfit, one outfit,

491
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: one outfit, yeah, his his sweater. Does he not notice

492
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: that no one seems to talk to him except a

493
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: small child? Um? No, he does. He thinks people are

494
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: talking around him all the time, but no one ever

495
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: direct Imagine if no one ever directly addressed you, you

496
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: would just feel like you were in junior high again,

497
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: Like it would be he's just living in right. No

498
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: one seems to notice he exists, but he doesn't notice that.

499
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: Does he think he's getting paid? Right? This jig goes

500
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: on for a while and you're like, is Tony Colette

501
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: supposed to be paying it? But it's like, I guess

502
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: they only see what they want to see, which is

503
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: like such a like throwaway line that excuses a lot

504
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: of plot holes. He's sending her like ghost bills. She's

505
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:23,239
Speaker 1: not replying to his ghost invoices. You know we've all

506
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: been there, right, next question, Um, So various times when

507
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: it seems like Cole would be under adult supervision because

508
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: he seems to be with Malcolm, then you realize he

509
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: was just like alone in that hospital room, alone, walking

510
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: the halls of his school at night, alone, walking around

511
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: in a park like he was just like always a

512
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: talking talking talk no one. If you saw a tiny

513
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: little Haley Joel Osman baby talking to no one, you

514
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: would be like, I'm abducting you, you know, like you

515
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: might do that here my son. Now I don't know someone,

516
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: but some would do something. If not that, they would

517
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: be like are you, where's your mom? What's going on?

518
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: And then also why after Vincent Gray kills himself, why

519
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: does Cole never see him? Because he would be a

520
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 1: ghost unless he doesn't have any unfinished business. I guess

521
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: his business was to kill Bruce Willis. He was like,

522
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 1: I'm out, I don't know, we don't we have no

523
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 1: background for him. They're just like, well, child of divorce,

524
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: So clearly you're gonna want to kill Bruce Willis. Although

525
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: I think Vincent Gray is maybe one of the more

526
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: realistic characters in the story because he showed, I mean,

527
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: the ends don't justify the I don't know if I'm

528
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: using that phrase correctly, but you know, he does say, hey,

529
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: Bruce Willis, you're a shitty psychologist. You said because I

530
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: was divorced, I would like my parents were divorced. I

531
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: was satan and now you will pay Like that part

532
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: shouldn't have happened. But like up till then, he was

533
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: like really on a roll. He was a bad child psychologist. Also,

534
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: he's always violating hippo laws because he's like telling his

535
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: life about his patient. Nation that's not allowed. It's I know, well,

536
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: it's well because he has to talk about his job

537
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: to his wife, because we don't know anything about his

538
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: wife other than she's like, I feel neglected, and then

539
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: he dies we do find out. So if we're talking

540
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: about I mean, unfortunately, there's really not a ton of

541
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: discussion to be had about his wife because we know

542
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: so little about her other than she was married to him.

543
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: And then she's sad that she's not around anymore. She says,

544
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: home watching the wedding tape, you know, the whole bit

545
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: she's wearing out the VHS. There's one scene where we

546
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: see her at work at I think an antique shop

547
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: that sells jewelry. But the one thing we see her working,

548
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: she's like gaslighting a couple into buying a diamond ring

549
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:05,280
Speaker 1: they clearly can't afford. Um. And then the unnamed female character,

550
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: one of the only non white characters in the movie, Um,

551
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: she's talking to her future husband and and she and

552
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,760
Speaker 1: you know, it's just like it's kind of the classic

553
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: trope of like women be desiring blood diamonds, and and

554
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: so his wife, you know, gaslights the couple into being like, no,

555
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: this is actually a good idea and so that scene

556
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: is bad. Also, why is that scene really there? Does that? Uh?

557
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 1: What happens after that is the guy who's like who's

558
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: interested in her and who Bruce Willis is jealous of.

559
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: She she like gives him a gift. But we didn't

560
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: need the scene prior to that at a thing, We

561
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: didn't really need everything. I mean, I'm like, I didn't

562
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: all the scenes. You're like, I guess I could take

563
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: or leave it, Like, but that was a weird one.

564
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: And and yeah there is is he named there's like,

565
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: there's some guy who is interested in her and then

566
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: she's like, but but I can't, you know, because she's

567
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: not um through her grief process, which which is I

568
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: think like a valid arc. But that's the most you

569
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: get out of her, is like she is someone who

570
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: has lost her spouse recently and is like not sure

571
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: if she's ready to move on. That all makes sense, um,

572
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: but that's like literally all we get, right. I mean, overall,

573
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:32,240
Speaker 1: the women who are in the story are really only

574
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,720
Speaker 1: there because of their relationships to the two main male characters,

575
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: Mothers and Wives. That's just Mothers and Wives and the

576
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: Tony Collette character is slightly more important. Yeah, I think

577
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: the most important female character, which is like I'm not

578
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: saying that much, but they cast Tony Collette, you know,

579
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: so you're like that's significant, right, her character, I mean

580
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 1: I like her character. I think we are told that

581
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: she she's a single parent because divorce equals ghosts, and

582
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: she's a single parent. She has two jobs, but we

583
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: don't know what either of them are, right, which is like,

584
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: all right, I'm not ti one was you know, we

585
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: got you know, but she's it's just supposed to be

586
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: like she's working very hard, and then it's a Tony

587
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: Collette role in the nineties or early two thousands, so

588
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: she's like, what's going on with my son? Right? Yeah,

589
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: although I would say so what little we do know

590
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: about her, right, is that she she's divorced, she's working

591
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: two jobs. She is really good, a really good mother.

592
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: She's very caring and attentive. I think she's like appropriately

593
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: concerned for Cole's safety while also being like frustrated by

594
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: his at times alarming behavior because he's being haunted by ghosts.

595
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: But then her also like she's frustrated by her own

596
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 1: inability to help him, Like there's that scene where she's

597
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: just like they're kind of arguing about this like Bumblebee pendant,

598
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: and she's like, I'm so I'm tired in my body,

599
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: in my mind, in my heart, and like you can

600
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: tell she's like trying very hard to be a good

601
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: mother and she just has a son who sees dead people.

602
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: So how do you mean mothers in the audience that? Um? Yeah, No,

603
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: I mean I I I like her character, and I

604
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,720
Speaker 1: also think that we don't in like pop culture in general,

605
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: you don't get a ton of mother son's stories that

606
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: um play out eventually as positively as this one does.

607
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: I feel like there's and and this movie has this

608
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,280
Speaker 1: as well, but there's a lot of father son's stories

609
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: because men be making movies about their problems. Um. But

610
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: I think that like mother's son relationships are kind of

611
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: under represent and father daughter as well. But um yeah,

612
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: So so I like that you understand why Tony Colette

613
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: feels frustrated. It doesn't seem irrational at all. And you

614
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: also understand why Cole is an of is to tell

615
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: her because he doesn't want to be labeled as, you know,

616
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 1: an unstable child of divorce, which Bruce Willis is labeling

617
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: him ask um. So I like their relationship and I

618
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: also like because I sort of forgot, I forgot about

619
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: the scene, the scene where she stresses Velma at the end,

620
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: which does make me cry, um because I'm easily manipulated,

621
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: but um where their relationship resolves is and the way

622
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: that sort of Haley Joel Osmond proves to Tony Collette

623
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: that she should believe Haley Joel Osmond is he, you know,

624
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: shares an anecdote about his grandmother, her mother who passed away,

625
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: and they're crying and she believes him, and you don't know.

626
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, what is she going to do now? Like

627
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: we don't really know, but you're like, okay, They're okay.

628
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: She believes him and they're going to figure it out,

629
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: which I think was like a lovely mother son relationship

630
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: arc indeed, especially because in that moment we realize that

631
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: Haley Joel Osmond's character is a feminist icon because he's

632
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: trying to help women pass the Bechdel test. He's like, hey, mom,

633
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 1: Grandma says, Hi, she saw you at the dance recital

634
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 1: and she wants you to know that you make her

635
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: proud every day. And Tony class not catching on. She's like,

636
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: uh huh. I'm like, no, you have to talk to her,

637
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: Come on there. Haley Cosmond's okay, his entire character, like

638
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 1: his name is cold, but it's like it's Haley to Osmond,

639
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: um his whole character. I like his character. I think

640
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: Cole is a little sweetie pie. He's a troubled boy.

641
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: But he's literally being haunted by every plot ghost. Every

642
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,959
Speaker 1: plot relevant ghost is haunting him. All the non plot

643
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 1: relevant ghost who knows where they are. Um, But I

644
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: like the first ghost that he's able to break through

645
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: with is Misha Barton, So he's help helping women expose

646
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 1: their mother's crimes feminists. Um, he's an ally. He's an ally.

647
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: He just is Um. But but what I really do

648
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: like about the way, and it's like I don't know

649
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: how intentional this is, because I don't think that this

650
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: is like a movie that's like meant to show like

651
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: young people a role model through this haunted child. But

652
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 1: maybe I don't, we don't know. But but in general,

653
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: I mean I think it would be kind of like

654
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:30,479
Speaker 1: an easy, bad writing thing to have, you know, because

655
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: like Haley draw Osmond's character is being bullied like other

656
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: boys who are very like, you know, emulating macho behaved

657
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 1: Tommy to Tamas Seema. He's a cough syrup commercial so

658
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: he's the best actor in the world. He's like that

659
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: character hilarious icon, uh, feminist icon Tommy tamas you know,

660
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: um question mark. But you know we see all we

661
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: see other other young boys like bullying Haley Joel Osmond,

662
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: and he's very like typically like macho ways and Haley

663
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 1: Jelosmond doesn't respond with like toxicity. He's just like, I've

664
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: got bigger fish to fry. I look Tommy Tennessineo, we'll

665
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: deal with him later. We've got we've got ghosts that

666
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: are screaming, like so scratching him and they're scratching him.

667
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: Why are they scratching him? He's so nice. Also, on

668
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: the rewatch the special effects in this movie. I'm like,

669
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: I looked up because I'm like, maybe this movie was

670
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: made for fourteen dollars, but it was not. It was

671
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: they had a forty million dollar budget in so like

672
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: even more now. But if you look at there's a

673
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: scene where you see, um, I mean, you know, female

674
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: ghosts representations pretty good in this movie. But one of

675
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,879
Speaker 1: the first ones is a mother who has um. We're

676
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: to like she split her wrists. We don't find anything

677
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: else out other than she wants to scream like her

678
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 1: unfinished business. We don't know. I think she it's implied

679
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 1: that she has an abusive husband, right, but it's like,

680
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: what's Haley joel Osma going to do about that? Anyway?

681
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: But but when when she turns and we see the

682
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: special effects, it's literally like I party, like like it's

683
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: like the effects are not there. It's just like, yeah,

684
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: it's Halloween makeup that they're wearing. And then Misha Barton

685
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: has like a CVS brand like ghost makeup on her um.

686
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: Going back to the mother son relationship because I I

687
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 1: also quite like the way it plays out, especially because

688
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 1: so you know she's a single mother. We're not totally

689
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: sure how recent the divorce was, or how recently his

690
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: dad left, or how long he's been seeing ghosts, but

691
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: we have to assume since the day alcause there's all

692
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: those photos on the wall where like Tony Klauds like

693
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: what's this little shimmer in this photograph? And there was

694
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: some of h Well, then that challenges I thought it

695
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: was like, oh, your father and I got divorced and

696
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: that second is like boop, like ghosts have logged in. Oh,

697
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: so it's just like you're born with it. Maybe he

698
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: thought it was once your parents get divorced, you see ghosts.

699
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: Maybe it's that when you have a baby who sees ghosts,

700
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 1: it's so much pressure on your marriage that you get divorced.

701
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: Oh is a self fulfilling prophecy. You're like, why is it?

702
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: Why are there so many orbs in this picture of

703
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: our son? And then they break up? So really, when

704
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: you what you're saying is the divorce is Haley Joel

705
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: Osmond's fault, and we love to hear that the divorce

706
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: was the child's fault. I don't wishing interesting you would say,

707
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: but the relationship between mother and son in a lot

708
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: of movies you would see that dynamic play out where

709
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: like the boy would be like, when's daddy coming home?

710
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: Where's my dad? Like, either in an implicit or an

711
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: explicit idea that the mother isn't enough he needs a

712
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: male parental figure. I agree with that, but I would

713
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: also because Cole doesn't do that. But yeah, well, but

714
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: because it's like you know, it's Tony Collett, like it's

715
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 1: made very clear that she is a good mother, she's

716
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: trying her best to understand. But but then you kind

717
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: of I feel like m Night Shamling kind of has

718
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: it both ways because Bruce Willis comes in, he becomes

719
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: this parental figure. He's showing up to plays, he's showing

720
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 1: up to the hospital, he's doing these quote unquote fatherly duties,

721
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: and it's I feel like the plot would have you

722
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: believe that Haley Joe Osmond wouldn't have been able to

723
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: resolve his issues without this ghost father figure appearing and

724
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: then like probably kind of dramatically disappearing. But I don't know.

725
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 1: I was sort of because I was like, oh, that's

726
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: cool that, Like I do I love the mother son relationship.

727
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 1: But but I feel like there's also the slight implication

728
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: by the movie that Tony Colett couldn't have gotten the

729
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,919
Speaker 1: job done on her own, like they ghost Daddy needed

730
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 1: to come in for a few weeks. Wasn't a ghost,

731
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: so she can't help with the ghosts, I know, which

732
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: is just like rude. It's like Tony could be a

733
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: ghost if she wanted. He didn't tell her, but I

734
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, it was like it wasn't like

735
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: I I and again I'm just like, I don't know

736
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: who who was thinking this hard about it. I think

737
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: we're we have like thought a few laps around the

738
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 1: first draft of the script, but um, I don't know.

739
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 1: I feel like there is the implication that it's still

740
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: like that nuclear family dynamic that is able to accomplish

741
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: what the story wants to. I see what you're saying,

742
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: but I feel like Bruce willis who knows how long

743
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: he's been stalking Cold before they actually start talking to

744
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: each other. But I feel like it's implied that he's

745
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: only around for maybe a few weeks or a couple

746
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: of months or so before he then like disappears, because

747
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: it's like he needs to help Cole needs to help

748
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: Mischelle Barton for some reason. And then everyone's fine, question

749
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 1: like we don't know they need to help each other

750
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: like ather On me but there, but I don't know. Yeah,

751
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: the I said, ultimately, the doomsday clock is at a

752
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: hundred seconds. That's what I'm gonna start saying when I

753
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: run out of idea. Ok Uh, there is like there's

754
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 1: a few times when you learn that like Cole wears

755
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: his dad's like glasses, or like the frames of his

756
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: glasses or like his watch. Maybe it's just like a

757
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: small attempt to be like I wish my daddy was

758
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: still here. But it's not overwhelming. But then yeah, because

759
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: you know, Bruce Willis does sort of step into be

760
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: his his dad, his father. Yeah, I don't know, like yeah,

761
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,439
Speaker 1: most of the stuff. I mean, I feel like there's

762
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 1: a version of this movie that would have like hit

763
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: on that theme way harder, in a more egregious way. Um,

764
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 1: But as it is, I mean, I mean, it's it's fine. Yeah,

765
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 1: it's fine. We do see Tony Collect's character doing laundry

766
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: in two different scenes. Well, who else is gonna do it? Well,

767
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: that's true, two scenes is unnecessary. One scene max one

768
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: scene we're like, well this is you know, like she's

769
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: obviously who else would be doing it in two scenes

770
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: where like what are her jobs? She has two jobs?

771
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,919
Speaker 1: Why does she let her son roam around at night

772
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: with nobody? There's with ghosts? Where is the babysitter at

773
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: where is she? Or we don't know? Sorry, it's funny

774
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,399
Speaker 1: to be inclusive with my babysitting. I'm trying to look

775
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: through my notes to see if I have anything else,

776
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: I wrote down a lot of female ghosts, a lot

777
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: of female ghosts. Um. I also, I mean I don't

778
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 1: even really know. Again, I'm just like, what really does

779
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: this plot point serve? He's able to help Misha Barton

780
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: ghost who's being killed by her mom, but we get

781
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: no insight as to like what's going on there, and

782
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: so that seemed just to me mostly read this very bizarre.

783
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: Misha Barton gets him the VHS evidence tape that she's

784
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 1: conveniently recorded, and then Haley Joe Osmond goes to her

785
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 1: father and it's like, here's evidence, and he's like, let

786
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 1: me watch it. During the way during the field, he

787
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: pops it in during the wake from a kid he's

788
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: never met who was there alone, because again Bruce Willis

789
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 1: is dead, he's at his wake alone, and like in

790
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: any other world it would be like a SpongeBob car too,

791
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 1: but like but in this case, this eight year old

792
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: standing important evidence about his daughter, and we see the

793
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 1: mother doing the like the Munchausen's by proxy thing she's doing,

794
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: and again in a very over the top visual signifiers

795
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: of like the thing that is clearly poison has like

796
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: a little X symbol on it, Yeah, what was that bottle?

797
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: What was it there? What is it? I don't know.

798
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: She pours in it. She she's like bleaching soup. So

799
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: we see her do the soup bleach, and then she

800
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: goes to Misha Barton like stopped saying the soup tastes

801
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: like bleach. Yeah, and we have no insight. I mean,

802
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: it's like I didn't know about even the term munchausens

803
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: by proxy until like the whole Gypsy Rose case like

804
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: five years ago, and let's talk about it after the show.

805
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 1: But I feel like munchausens by proxy and like the

806
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 1: idea of keeping someone sick intentionally was not a like

807
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: pop culture Like people didn't know about this then. So

808
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: the fact that it pops up and then her husband

809
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: like just confronts her and it's like why world, why

810
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 1: did you bleach the soup? And she just goes and

811
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: that's that's the last week. Does she get arrested? Like

812
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 1: do we get in the explanation? Like we get nothing?

813
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 1: And when I first saw this movie, I'm like, wow,

814
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 1: she seems like a real bit Like I'm like, but

815
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: that's clearly there's so much going on there. Then there's

816
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: so like it's such a complicated issue for m Night

817
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 1: ten to choose to be, Like, let me present this

818
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:31,320
Speaker 1: very complex mental illness in one scene with characters you

819
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 1: don't know. I think there's a lot that gets like

820
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: seeds that get planted in the first movie that call

821
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: for a sequel. I think there should be a sequel

822
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: to the Sixth Sense. I think it should be called

823
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: the seventh Sense, even though that doesn't make sense. But

824
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: like again, like what happened? I want to know what

825
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: happens with like now that like he has a friendly

826
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: relationship with ghosts. Now I guess at the end that

827
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: we're supposed to believe, So like what does that look like?

828
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 1: You have to be careful though, because they will make

829
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: that movie. We don't actually want it. If anyone is listening,

830
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 1: that's like, maybe we should know we don't want it,

831
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: you know, because what it was that they just did

832
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 1: that with um the Shining, They were like, what if

833
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: the people are wondering, You're like, no one is wondering

834
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,879
Speaker 1: what happened to Dan, Like no one gives a funk

835
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: what happened to Danny? So I just sorry, Hey, let's

836
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Speaker 1: talk about Hayley Joel Osmond for a second. He's had

837
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Speaker 1: a lot of great roles. Kaitlin. Maybe you've seen him

838
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 1: most recently in that Zac efron Ted Bundy movie, and

839
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 1: you wee see that he's he's he's he's finding that.

840
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 1: His whole role in that is he goes up to

841
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 1: Ted Bundy's ex girlfriend and who's like, I wish you

842
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,800
Speaker 1: could get over Ted Bundy. That's his whole role. He's crying,

843
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: He's like, I I just Ted Bundy is cock blocking

844
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 1: me at every turn. Like so, he's not given much,

845
00:53:56,440 --> 00:54:00,320
Speaker 1: but he does a good job. My favorite post sixth

846
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 1: sense Haley Joel Osmond role is the movie sex Ed.

847
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: Has anyone on the planet besides me seeing sex Ed? Okay?

848
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: So sex Head is a movie that is currently streaming

849
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: for free on something called to Be Anyway Heny where

850
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:22,800
Speaker 1: am I to Be? I was like what the fuck

851
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 1: is to be? And I downloaded it to watch the

852
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: sex said. Sex Ed is a movie where Haley Joel

853
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 1: Osmond plays a sex ed teacher named Ed. That's really

854
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: all you need to know to want to watch it.

855
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 1: But he plays a sex said teacher named Ed. He's

856
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 1: trying to he's having a bit of a dry spell,

857
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: but he's talking about sex all day, so he's horny.

858
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: Rhada Play is his best friend slash Landlord. She shows

859
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: up every few scenes to give exposition and then she disappears.

860
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: Um anyways, at the end, Hayley Joel Osmond has sex.

861
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 1: Whoa spoilers sorry and then whatever you like. At the end,

862
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:13,839
Speaker 1: he was dead the whole time. You gotta watch sex said,

863
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: it's onto b Um, here's something that's sort of relevant

864
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 1: to what we normally discuss. Um. So there's there's a

865
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 1: component in this movie, and it's recurring in a lot

866
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 1: of like horror thriller movies. But um, something's happening to

867
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 1: someone and no one believes them at first. Um, and

868
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: groups of people who are often not believed. I see

869
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 1: where this is going. Children, like we see in the

870
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 1: sixth sense, women ever heard of him? Um, seniors, you know,

871
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 1: basically any marginalized group. And there's like there's a line

872
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: of dialogue where Cole says, like, please believe you believe me? Right?

873
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: How will you help me if you don't believe me?

874
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 1: And that's just you know, poignant. I think that that's good. Yeah,

875
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 1: like it it does like make it clear that like

876
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,399
Speaker 1: and and that's also like What is preventing Cole from

877
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 1: having any sort of resolution with his mother is that

878
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 1: he's so afraid that she won't believe him, and that

879
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 1: if he tells her the truth that she will disown

880
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: him or love him less or whatever. The internal logic

881
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: is that, yeah, am I Shevelin accidentally made a point, right.

882
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: There's even that scene where he says like, like, no

883
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:30,359
Speaker 1: one knows my secret. I can't even tell my mom

884
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 1: because I don't want my mom to look at me

885
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 1: in the way everyone else does, like I'm a freak,

886
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 1: so like because it's it's very sleep Um let's talk

887
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 1: about um m I Chavelin for a second, because I

888
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 1: I mean, for he gets a lot of ship from people.

889
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 1: He has made more good movies than you think. Okay,

890
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: but in all, seriously, is am I Chavelin? I think

891
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: when I was very young, he was one of the

892
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,800
Speaker 1: first non white directors I was aware of that was

893
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,800
Speaker 1: wildly successful period. I mean, I think like when I

894
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 1: was a kid, I knew of Spike Lee, but I

895
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 1: wasn't old enough to see his movies. And then they're

896
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: like and and then I could watch m Night Chamelin movies,

897
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: So he did like I mean he did make I mean,

898
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: this movie was wildly successful. He basically got a blank

899
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 1: check for the rest of his career, um for better

900
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 1: or wars um after making this movie. And so I

901
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: think that, like that is worth acknowledging. And that is

902
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 1: like a very impactful thing because you know, directors are

903
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 1: still overwhelmingly male, but also overwhelmingly white of any gender.

904
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: So the fact that you know, this is a director

905
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 1: who um he he grew up in Philly, but he's

906
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: the son of immigrants, and like that is a really

907
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 1: powerful cool thing. And so I just wish his movies

908
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: were better. So you know, there's a lot, but but

909
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: I like, yeah, I think he was truly one of

910
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 1: the first non white directors I knew of and was

911
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: very you know in in the zeitgeist if you will. Um.

912
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: But also he ru and Avatar, so I don't know,

913
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 1: um oh some people disagree, okay, but yeah, I oh.

914
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 1: I also wanted to mention m Night Shimelin's which was

915
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 1: a wild year. So this was like The sixth Cents

916
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: was his big breakout movie. He wrote and directed it,

917
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 1: but prior to that he was like a Hollywood writer.

918
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 1: He would do a lot of like third or fourth

919
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: drafts of movies that were basically done and then they're like,

920
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: we gotta give it the m night touch. So his

921
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: film credits in addition to the sixth cents are he

922
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: did punch up on She's All That, and he wrote

923
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 1: and is credited as the soul writer of Stewart Little.

924
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 1: What a wild year for him, Like I he hasn't

925
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: had a year like that. I mean, he doesn't have

926
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 1: to punch up Stewart Little anymore. But that was a

927
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 1: fun movie. I never saw it, but yeah, like that

928
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: was that was the year where he was like crossing

929
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 1: over between being like a punch up writer and then

930
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:12,439
Speaker 1: like this twisty oh tour. But you know, like Stewart Little,

931
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 1: it slaps, It's good, It's lass Gina Davis, isn't it goodness?

932
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: Pays his mother? I do like the my Shamalans. Basically,

933
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 1: his whole ethos is summarized in one line of dialogue

934
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 1: in this movie where Bruce Willis is like telling Cole

935
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 1: a bedtime story about a prince who was driving a lot,

936
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: and then Haley Joel Osmond is like, you've never told

937
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 1: a story before, have you? You have to add some

938
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 1: twists and also I'm nic shimally does the he sometimes

939
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 1: like m night Shanalin. I love him, and then sometimes

940
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 1: you're like your confidence is really for like it's it's difficult, um,

941
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: because what he does and a lot of directors do this,

942
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 1: but he specifically said like I'm basically this generation's Alfred Hitchcock.

943
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 1: And Alfred Hitchcock would play a small role in all

944
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 1: of his movies. So movie one was like, I gotta

945
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 1: be in this because otherwise I will people know I'm

946
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 1: Alfred Hitchcock now. Um, So he plays a small role

947
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: in this movie, gives himself a cameo and all of them. Yeah,

948
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 1: just I think that that's what Alfred Hitchcock did. He

949
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 1: would be in a few seconds of every movie. And

950
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 1: I particularly love like even in some of his worst movies,

951
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 1: the m I Childman cameos are always so fun. He's

952
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 1: always like a park ranger being being like, no, go

953
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 1: into those woods, see what happens. Like he's always like

954
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 1: introducing them into danger. It's fun. He should act more.

955
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: He doesn't seem like a bad actor. Um. There is

956
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 1: a Chucky Cheese reference in this movie. Visibility is important,

957
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 1: but it's also Tony Collette needs to explain. I don't

958
01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 1: was that supposed to be some sort of class thing.

959
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 1: Like they're like Tony Colette and Haley Joe Osmond are

960
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 1: at this like fancy, nice birthday party and the mother

961
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 1: at the fancy birthday party doesn't know what chucky cheese

962
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 1: is and to like it's all embarrassed, and she's like,

963
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 1: well it's it's the greatest place on her all right,

964
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 1: because she goes chucky like chucky just what I say

965
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: every time? Oh man, it's the best. It is the

966
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 1: best place on earth. You know. I've been many times

967
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 1: with you, I know for my birthday is of course. Yeah.

968
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:34,919
Speaker 1: So they mentioned chucky cheese and cats and they can't

969
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 1: take that away from So do you anything else? I

970
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 1: think that's about it. We're running a bit out of time.

971
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:44,440
Speaker 1: Do we have any times for questions or comments? Time

972
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 1: for a few questions, comments come up to the mic,

973
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 1: so we can up to the mic. There's one person,

974
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 1: one brave soul. Oh come on, I love her sweaters.

975
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 1: What's your name? My name's d what's your question? My

976
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 1: sex head, that's what they call me. Your reputation proceeds.

977
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 1: My question is who do you think Alfred Molina would

978
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 1: play in this for asking, um, who would Alfred? I

979
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 1: think he could be Mischa Barton Ghost and all my fantasies. Unfortunately,

980
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 1: Alfred Billina takes a role from a woman. Um, he

981
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 1: could be Barton Goes. He could be he could? I

982
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 1: think the one role he could. I think he would

983
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 1: have genuinely been a good Bruce Willis. Um he could.

984
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 1: I mean he's a chameleon. He Oh, speaking of chameleon,

985
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,959
Speaker 1: he could have been the killer at the beginning, because

986
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 1: then you would get to see him without his shirt on.

987
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 1: That that's the answer. I'll do it. He's the killer

988
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 1: at the beginning, and then we get to see him

989
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 1: in his little underwear. Yeah, and oh my god, what

990
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 1: if that was the only question? Uh, my name's Ivan,

991
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 1: and I believe that in Tommy's whatever his last name?

992
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 1: Uh yes, And I think in his first scene he

993
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 1: explains to uh queer icon Haley Joel Osman what improv

994
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 1: is like he's explaining improv. Um. My question is as

995
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 1: a as a non binary comedy fan, how do you

996
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 1: feel about the sixth sense actually being about Haley Joel Osment,

997
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 1: non binary icon trying to make it in comedy, but

998
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 1: having to deal with Tommy does annoying know it all?

999
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 1: Improv says that white man. Oh my god, I was

1000
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 1: just wondering your take on that thing. I thank you.

1001
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Wait a second, I need to process

1002
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 1: for a second. Okay, it's a Joker. It's the prequel

1003
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 1: to Joker. It's literally you fast forward. Tony Collette is

1004
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 1: Joker's mom. No, I'm kidding, but no, but wow, what

1005
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 1: if this is all about Hayley chill Osmond's journey? Should

1006
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 1: the upright Citizen's breakid? He's like I saw a ghost

1007
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 1: and then I learned the power of yes, son, and

1008
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 1: now my life is he really did? I mean literally,

1009
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 1: all he does is yes and the ghost and he listens.

1010
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 1: That's such a big part of listens. He listens to

1011
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 1: the ghosts, you know, and he doesn't respond irrationally because

1012
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 1: that would be a bad scene. Wow, Wow, everyone should

1013
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 1: take class is a good good I guess that's what

1014
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 1: we're saying there. That's why I first I had that

1015
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 1: written down of like the worst character in the story

1016
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 1: happens to mention improv can't be a mistake, can't be

1017
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 1: a mistake, something to consider any other I think we

1018
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:00,200
Speaker 1: have time for one more question comment if if such

1019
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 1: a thing exists. Yes, I have a bit of a

1020
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 1: two parter. I'm sorry, I'm afraid this is this is

1021
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 1: contrary to the spirit of the of the show, but

1022
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 1: I wanted to comment on your your outfit for a moment.

1023
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 1: What if I was like stormed out. It's I mean, okay,

1024
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 1: so we have we have like seventies themed children's bedsheet,

1025
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 1: homemade mini skirt cowboy themed. One of them is topless. Oh,

1026
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 1: I mean you'll find that all of it. Okay, I

1027
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 1: don't have the best view. It's incredible. You have a

1028
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 1: single pocket in the middle of your chest, like I

1029
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 1: found a piece of popcorn in it. It's like pockets. Yeah,

1030
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 1: it's amazing. I'm sorry, thank you, thank you. Related to movies,

1031
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 1: for for a long time, there was there was a

1032
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:53,440
Speaker 1: great controversy on one of the popular Beckdel websites. I'm

1033
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 1: sorry if you've already covered this, but the Lego movie,

1034
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 1: whether or not it passed the beck Deel hast hinged

1035
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 1: on whether or not you considered Princess Unikitty a woman,

1036
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 1: and I was hoping that you could weigh in on that.

1037
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 1: Caitlin I, of course have seen both Lego movies. Um,

1038
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 1: I do consider Princess Unikitty a woman? Do they refer

1039
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 1: to her in the movies with she her? I think so,

1040
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 1: I think they do, right, I've seen the movies, but

1041
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 1: I think I think so. I don't know. When I

1042
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 1: watched the Lego movie, I'm just like, I have a

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Speaker 1: crush on Phil Lord. Yes, take away from that, I

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Speaker 1: think we just have to cover the Lego movie. Now. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's really adequately answer your question. We should? We should?

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Speaker 1: I think like a soft yes, a soft yes. And

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Speaker 1: speaking of the Bechdel test, does this movie the sixth

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Speaker 1: Cents pass? Dies? Well? I mean it's kind of okay.

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Speaker 1: So I say, when a mother kills her child that

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Speaker 1: is also a female child, it passes. But I mean

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Speaker 1: that her first name, she's such an insignificant character. I

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Speaker 1: feel like, I feel like one feels like she's really important.

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Speaker 1: For some reason. There's an argument to be made for

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Speaker 1: it passed because we do know Misha Barton's character's name,

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Speaker 1: which is Kira, right, and then we know her last name,

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Speaker 1: and then it's there's the Mr and Mrs character. First

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Speaker 1: of all, I think it's really funny if that scene

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Speaker 1: passes the back to second. I feel like because like

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Speaker 1: if it would be a little different for me if

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Speaker 1: the father was given a first name and the mother wasn't.

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Speaker 1: But neither of them were given a first name. They

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Speaker 1: are Mr and mrs. We do find it out forget

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Speaker 1: so I say, bleaching your daughter's soup cannon? Okay, then

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Speaker 1: I'll say yes as well. Um so give it up

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Speaker 1: for the six cents for murdering of several women. Um uh,

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Speaker 1: let's write the movie on our nipple scale. I truly

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Speaker 1: have no idea, so zero of five nipples based on

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Speaker 1: its representation of women. I mean, it's quite neutral. It's

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Speaker 1: not this movie doesn't hate women. It's not brutal and

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Speaker 1: cruel to women the way that a lot of movies,

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Speaker 1: especially from that year where I mean between fight Club

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Speaker 1: movies that like m Night Shimelin worked on, like Cruel

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Speaker 1: Intentions comes out this year The Mummy Never Been Kissed.

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Speaker 1: A lot of like really regressive movies that treat women horribly.

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Speaker 1: This movie doesn't do that. So feminist text, No, I'm kidding.

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Speaker 1: I mean I think it just sort of makes the

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Speaker 1: choice is made at some point of like I don't

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Speaker 1: know how to write female characters, so I won't, which

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Speaker 1: is not the solution to that problem, but it's it

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Speaker 1: is better than saying I'm going to write female characters

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Speaker 1: to complete stereotypes and to like only service the male

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Speaker 1: characters I want to. And there's no narrative reason whysoever

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Speaker 1: why the child who sees dead people couldn't be a

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Speaker 1: little girl. There's no reason why the child psychologists couldn't

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Speaker 1: have been a woman. Like it's just yeah, the movies

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Speaker 1: were like, well, these better be male characters. No one,

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Speaker 1: we'll say it right, And there is I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: like some I think it is nice that I don't

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Speaker 1: know who like busting this trope benefits. But the idea

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Speaker 1: of like the quote unquote evil child who is like

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Speaker 1: communicated with by the other world is usually made out

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Speaker 1: to be fully the villain of the movie, where you've

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Speaker 1: got like the bad seed, you've got Damien from the

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Speaker 1: Omen and usually if like a kid can communicate with

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Speaker 1: the other side, they are the devil. But in this

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Speaker 1: case they're the sweetest baby angel whoever lives. It's progressive.

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Speaker 1: It's progressive in terms of children who can speak to ghosts,

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Speaker 1: so you know, and again because he's helping women talk

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Speaker 1: to other women. He's advocating for Misha Barton ghosts. Um,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, it's like a one and a half. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, because you're just like women are there and

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Speaker 1: they're they're they're not that important to the story, but

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Speaker 1: they're you know, the male characters aren't cruel to them.

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Speaker 1: They're they're they're costs playing. Sure, sure they're Scooby Doo

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Speaker 1: cos they're sure. They're only like wives, mother's daughters, very

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Speaker 1: stereotypical female roles. Yes, but one and a half one

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Speaker 1: and a half, and I'm going to give one to

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Speaker 1: Tony Collette and then I'm going to give the last two.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't feel right to get Taylee Joel Osmond is

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Speaker 1: too young to give him a nipple in this smoothie,

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Speaker 1: So I'll give it to um mommy murderer, Mrs bleach soup.

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Speaker 1: I believe her character's nipples. I'll give my one and

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Speaker 1: a half nipples to his wife because she deserved better.

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Speaker 1: We should have learned more about her. The only thing

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Speaker 1: we know is that she is sad and on so loft,

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Speaker 1: I guess, which is horrible. Remember to talk to your

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Speaker 1: loved ones while they sleep. That will solve all your problems. Um,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming. Give it up for yourselves.

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Speaker 1: All right, folks, that was our episode on the sixth Sense.

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Speaker 1: We did want to add in really quickly that the

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Speaker 1: evening after this we did watch Sex Said on two

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Speaker 1: Be And that's not an endorsement of two because the

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Speaker 1: movie is wildly offensive and also just boring and hard

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Speaker 1: to watch. Yeah, it is. So when we recommended you

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Speaker 1: watch it during the live show, we weren't joking. We were,

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Speaker 1: but we didn't even realize we shouldn't have even recommended

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Speaker 1: it as a joke. It's wildly problematic and we're so

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Speaker 1: we're withdrawing. We take back the recommendation. But you know,

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Speaker 1: as you heard it killed in the room, so true,

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Speaker 1: so to be is canceled. Moving on, Thank you to

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Speaker 1: everyone who came to the show. That was such a blast,

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Speaker 1: and of people who came to the stand up show afterwards.

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Speaker 1: We love our Philadelphia fans. Thanks to anyone who asked

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Speaker 1: a question me to comment. Who bought merch at the

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Speaker 1: show That helps us all a great deal. So thanks

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Speaker 1: to thanks to everyone who participated, and as usual, you

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Speaker 1: can find us in all the same social media places

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Speaker 1: we don't really use it. Twitter and Instagram and our

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01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 1: emails the best way to go. We had live shows

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Speaker 1: coming up, as you heard at the beginning of the episode,

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Speaker 1: in Austin, Boston and Los Angeles coming up in the spring.

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Speaker 1: appending Corona, etcetera. And the Matron yes, um, so subscribe

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Speaker 1: to our matron where you can hear those other Titanic

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Speaker 1: episodes that you might not be privy to. Very true,

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Speaker 1: and it's Share March the Matreon on the Matreon. So

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Speaker 1: this month we're doing the Witches of Eastwick and Moonstruck.

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01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:21,040
Speaker 1: Of course, we did not know before we chose that

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Speaker 1: topic that Sharon was voting for Biden, so we just

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Speaker 1: to cover our own asses. It was too late. But

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Speaker 1: so my one last thing is that during the live

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Speaker 1: show towards the end, when people were making audience were

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Speaker 1: like you know, asking questions and making comments and stuff. Um,

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Speaker 1: someone asked a question about whether or not the Lego

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Speaker 1: movie passes the Bichtel Tesla. There's this whole discussion on it, well,

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Speaker 1: it does un a kitty does she count as a woman.

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Speaker 1: And I totally forgot to mention that un a kitty,

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Speaker 1: whether or not she identifies as a human woman, she

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Speaker 1: definitely does have eight nipples. And as cat facts with Caitlin,

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Speaker 1: thank you. This is and we're recording this a month

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Speaker 1: and a half later, I was like editing the episode

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Speaker 1: and everyone the whole thing is like it sounds like

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Speaker 1: I'm gearing up to be like, well, I have the

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Speaker 1: answer to this and it's that you and a kitty

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Speaker 1: has eight nipples, and then I just like didn't remember

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Speaker 1: my own bit, so I'm doing it now. I like it,

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Speaker 1: you get it, Thank you so much and with that,

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Speaker 1: have a great week. Yeah you say it's day safe

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Speaker 1: Bye bye