Speaker 1: I am all in that I am all in with
Speaker 1: Scott Patterson and I Heart Radio Podcast. Hey everybody, Scott Patterson,
Speaker 1: we are back. I Am all in Podcast, I Heart
Speaker 1: Radio one eleven Productions. We are joined by Danielle Romo,
Speaker 1: Terra s our newest member, and the one and only
Speaker 1: Amy Sugarman. The straw that stirs the drink, the paddle
Speaker 1: that turns the butter, the paddle that I don't know
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stop there anyway, The paddle that waxed your
Speaker 1: fanny when you're being bad, I try. What did you
Speaker 1: think of this Lane centric episode? I loved it. I
Speaker 1: really loved it, you know, I just you know, I
Speaker 1: had a thought last night. Once in a while, I
Speaker 1: get a thought, and I want to share my thought,
Speaker 1: not thoughts, that's not plural thought. One thought. I had
Speaker 1: one thought. And it seems like Lane is the Korean
Speaker 1: version of Laurel I, and we are watching Lane go
Speaker 1: through what Laurel I probably went through at some level
Speaker 1: in real time. Uh. And isn't it interesting that did did?
Speaker 1: Did you just blow your mind? Actually a little bit yes,
Speaker 1: A little bit yes. And that's why because with the difficult,
Speaker 1: strict mother trying to control it. I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: just exploded. Lane is Laureli. She rebels, she's rebelling against
Speaker 1: a conservative mother. I actually, yeah, that's why. That's the
Speaker 1: correct That's Rory's sister. That's why they're best friends. That's
Speaker 1: why she's always over. And that's why Laurie's lauralized such
Speaker 1: a great mother because she has been through this. She
Speaker 1: understands this dynamic. That's her real mother. See every a
Speaker 1: lot of fans wish that Lauren Graham was their mother.
Speaker 1: I don't blame them, because she's a spectacular mother. The
Speaker 1: character is spectacular, right, and Lane wants that too. My
Speaker 1: head is actually exploded because I never thought of that.
Speaker 1: Of the parallels between Lane and her mother and Laurela
Speaker 1: and Emily, Yeah, it's yeah, It's just Mrs Kim is
Speaker 1: almost like an enhanced version of Emily. That's why even
Speaker 1: be more. That's why Emily and and and Mrs Kim
Speaker 1: got along so well. Remember when they god, yes, when
Speaker 1: she went shot and they went back and forth on
Speaker 1: the price and it was like they respected each other.
Speaker 1: They Yeah, Scott, I had a thought. That was a thought,
Speaker 1: Thank you. I actually am impressed by that. Um well,
Speaker 1: it just became, you know, finally we get to spend
Speaker 1: some time, some real time with Lane, and I was
Speaker 1: I was grateful for it because she's I tell you,
Speaker 1: I don't think and you know another I did have
Speaker 1: another thought and this is too much. There could be
Speaker 1: another thought coming. Just look, but fasten your seatbelt. I
Speaker 1: know it's a rare occasion. Let's mark the time. Time
Speaker 1: mark um. Basically Laurel I. And here's the thing about
Speaker 1: Lauren Graham. I wonder why she never got into stand
Speaker 1: up comedy, because that's basically what her character is. Laurelize
Speaker 1: the stand up comedian. She's making light of everything. She's
Speaker 1: hysterically funny in every any situation, in every situation. And
Speaker 1: you know, a career's stand up comic was waiting for her. Now, yeah,
Speaker 1: she did it with those p t A moms. How
Speaker 1: how great was that scene and how clear were her
Speaker 1: comedic skills on display? It was so apparent that I'm
Speaker 1: not saying she missed her calling. But when we when
Speaker 1: we actually have her on on the podcast, I've got
Speaker 1: to ask her about this because she you know, she
Speaker 1: was She's in that kind of Whitney Cummings category. Brainy, beautiful, um,
Speaker 1: incredibly intuitive, incredibly funny person and when you see her
Speaker 1: on talk shows you realize how funny she is. I
Speaker 1: haven't read her books, but I'm sure they're written in
Speaker 1: that same tone she takes over the talk shows. I mean,
Speaker 1: she's funnier than the hosts, right. So she tells her
Speaker 1: stories and she's slaying all the time, right. Good for her.
Speaker 1: M that's one question I'd want to ask her anyway, well,
Speaker 1: amongst many. UM, okay, Daniel, do the synopsis. Because we
Speaker 1: got all carried away. I was like, are we going
Speaker 1: to order this episode or no? A little bit. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna loosen that up a little bit because it started
Speaker 1: to get kind of annoying. I was irritating myself. I
Speaker 1: was so annoying. So I'm okay. So this one is
Speaker 1: Season three, episode four. One's got class and the other
Speaker 1: one dies. D y E yes exactly, d y e
Speaker 1: s uh. Synopsis. Lore Li is invited to give a
Speaker 1: speech at stars Hollow High School p t A, and
Speaker 1: she convinces Luke to speak to Lane, needs to find
Speaker 1: a plan to secretly attend her band practices, and tries
Speaker 1: to rebel against her mom by dyeing her hair. Jessin
Speaker 1: Shane's relationship is whatever, and Luke tries to confront him
Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, here we go another Daniel Palladino written episode,
Speaker 1: which again you can tell because I thought this episode
Speaker 1: was perfectly written. Like I, I was laughing out loud
Speaker 1: multiple times, and I also felt like it moved a
Speaker 1: lot happening right and listen and Lane and it Canko again, uh,
Speaker 1: putting her very formidable comedic skills on display here every
Speaker 1: single scene, She's nailing it all over the place. And
Speaker 1: the thing that impressed me in both the most better
Speaker 1: performance was when she and Adam Brody were outside after
Speaker 1: you know people you know, Todd started to quit or
Speaker 1: Zack started to quit, and then John Cabrera quit and
Speaker 1: she went outside. She was all huffy, you know, she was.
Speaker 1: She was steaming um and Adam was trying to calm
Speaker 1: her down. And and it's that she never went over
Speaker 1: the top with the anger. She kept a comedic. She
Speaker 1: kept it within the discipline. She kept it within the
Speaker 1: style of the show, which is so hard to do
Speaker 1: because when you're bubbling and going that fast and you're
Speaker 1: bubbling up so much, it's it's it's easy to go
Speaker 1: over the top, and maybe she did and they just
Speaker 1: calmed her down. But it was very, very skillfully texically
Speaker 1: and it really kept me in the moment. So I
Speaker 1: love about Gilmore Girls. That I realized I was listening
Speaker 1: to a different podcast this week that's called The Rewatchables.
Speaker 1: I always listened to it. I'm obsessed with the Rewatchable.
Speaker 1: So basically it does what we do for Gilmore Girls
Speaker 1: on all different movies. So they're talking about the movie
Speaker 1: Panic Room to remember that movie with Jodie Foster, and
Speaker 1: what they point out is so in it, Jodie Foster's
Speaker 1: daughter is diabetic, but you never get the weird scene
Speaker 1: where she's like, you know, daughter, you better grab some
Speaker 1: orange juice because of your diabetes. Like it doesn't shove
Speaker 1: it in, like you just subtly see something in the
Speaker 1: refrigerator and there's like a minute reference. And I feel
Speaker 1: like Gilmore Girls does that too. They don't bang us
Speaker 1: over the head of anything. It's like and dare I
Speaker 1: bring up I don't want to bring it up. But
Speaker 1: the Christopher showing up scene, it's like going back to it.
Speaker 1: It's like, we don't need to be banged over the
Speaker 1: head is bang is a bang bang, it's not banged.
Speaker 1: And in this episode there was so much nuance and
Speaker 1: then you're like, oh so good. Like with Rory and Shane,
Speaker 1: Rory never says to Lane, I hate that check. She sucks.
Speaker 1: She never says that. You just are like right. It's
Speaker 1: like when you think that Rory doesn't have an answer
Speaker 1: to that situation. She she went back in and bought
Speaker 1: that black dye and delivered it. Okay, so we'll start
Speaker 1: from the beginning, which is good with Shane and Jess
Speaker 1: because we're in the diner and it's Rory Lorly and
Speaker 1: Lane comes in, so we know there's some band elements happening.
Speaker 1: And then be bop boom, here comes Shane and it's
Speaker 1: just makeout city and I think you say make a hole. Um.
Speaker 1: They referred to me as weird Rory Rory. They she
Speaker 1: said you're weird, and then Rory said, but he's always
Speaker 1: been weird? Is that the perception? Yeah? Remember when he
Speaker 1: when he serves them to he said, dead cow, dead cows? Weird?
Speaker 1: I was like, who wants to eat a burger after
Speaker 1: your healthy? Luke doesn't eat the way they eat, and
Speaker 1: so he always has to remind them from the beginning
Speaker 1: of time you should be eating like asparagus. He's a
Speaker 1: he's a healthy guy. He's a green guy. Good cowt
Speaker 1: so good. The fake eating was a little bit too
Speaker 1: fake for me though this episode because with the tiny
Speaker 1: little bite out of the burger bun. My favorite when
Speaker 1: Lane stole the burger for Rory and she goes, oh,
Speaker 1: and then you look at the burger and there's like
Speaker 1: a sessame seed off burg. I also have to comment
Speaker 1: that I love the background actor in this scene. So
Speaker 1: basically Rory and they're walking out and there's a couple
Speaker 1: sitting right by the door and Shane blows in and
Speaker 1: the woman at that table he does have to rewatch it.
Speaker 1: She just gives the I like, and she maybe was
Speaker 1: directed to do so, like oh like as Shane flies
Speaker 1: in and then she gives her the stink guy as
Speaker 1: she's making being out with Jess. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: way to go, because it was what I would have done, right.
Speaker 1: That's a good background actor. She she was definitely directed
Speaker 1: to do that, and if she did it of her
Speaker 1: own volition, Steve Robin, the director went to her and said,
Speaker 1: you know what, do that that's great. That reads great
Speaker 1: because they're on the monitor. Everybody's in a video village
Speaker 1: looking at it on the monitor. How does this look?
Speaker 1: And how does that look? Too much? And you know,
Speaker 1: and they're really watching for the extras and saying tamping
Speaker 1: them down. It's like, you're doing too much. You're doing
Speaker 1: too much. That one wasn't too much. That one they
Speaker 1: probably loved. Yeah, yes, because I was like, if someone
Speaker 1: blows through a door and sort of pushes someone aside
Speaker 1: and goes make out with a dude, you're gonna be like,
Speaker 1: what has happened? That's that's not stars like I do
Speaker 1: I do? I like her, I do like her. I
Speaker 1: liked her in that scene with Rory where because she's
Speaker 1: not letting Rory get the better of her. You know,
Speaker 1: she's fighting, but she's tough, right, and she doesn't seem
Speaker 1: to let Jess walk all over her, like when they're
Speaker 1: on the phone. It's kind of like she seems like
Speaker 1: she's sort of a strong girl. Oh she's tough, Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's she's a girl. Her personality, she wouldn't have gone
Speaker 1: into the closet, although maybe she's just like, I don't
Speaker 1: want to deal with your right in the face of
Speaker 1: Luke Daan's she's everybody goes in the close. Come on kidding?
Speaker 1: You mean you mean butcher Dans? Was that your picture?
Speaker 1: Just tell us it wasn't my hair, but it was
Speaker 1: my face. No, they photo shopped they did. That was
Speaker 1: not my body, It was only my face. Cut your
Speaker 1: face out and put it in there. They put a
Speaker 1: younger version of my face. Yes, yeah, I think I
Speaker 1: come back to you when you saw that where you're like,
Speaker 1: that was funny. But it wasn't my hair. That was
Speaker 1: somebody else's hair. They put some some flat top hair
Speaker 1: do on there, and uh, that was somebody else's body too.
Speaker 1: I never ran a track. Here's my question for you.
Speaker 1: Is a fib a lie? Give me an example, like
Speaker 1: Lane Lane, she FIBs to her mom like she says,
Speaker 1: I'm with Laura lyon Rory, even though it's a fib
Speaker 1: because she's only with them for eight point two seconds
Speaker 1: as she's doing band practice or whatever. To her, it's
Speaker 1: a fib. To her mom's it's a lie. It's depends
Speaker 1: on your perspective because she's gonna get a cane in
Speaker 1: if that ever she ever gets caught fibbing you. Know right,
Speaker 1: she's gonna get a biblical cane in so yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1: So where where are Danielle? Do you think a fib
Speaker 1: is a lie? I think what Scott said was perfect.
Speaker 1: It's it's all according to your perspective, because she wasn't
Speaker 1: technically lying. However, she definitely admitted the truth. She's she's
Speaker 1: moving the gold post for her. She knows her. She
Speaker 1: had too. Because I live by the words of Lane.
Speaker 1: I will fib, but I won't lie. But she is lying,
Speaker 1: She's okay. And then we saw that the town at night.
Speaker 1: It was beautiful. They showed this great shot of the
Speaker 1: town at night. And then we go into band practice
Speaker 1: and this is the first time we see Zack and
Speaker 1: Bryant m hm, which was massive. Danielle has no idea why,
Speaker 1: but but we know, Yeah, do I know? Why? Why
Speaker 1: is it so massive? God? Not even answering that. I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna let you guys live your lives and follow
Speaker 1: the journey. I can't tell you. It will ruin so
Speaker 1: many things. I will say, I'm very stoked for Dave
Speaker 1: and Lane to whatever is going to happen there. I
Speaker 1: love it. I like that relationship, how it's starting and
Speaker 1: how he is. And you know, I can see why
Speaker 1: he I can see why, I see why he went
Speaker 1: on to a bigger and better things. Yes, because he's
Speaker 1: so darling and he has amazing timing. He really has
Speaker 1: the cadence for this show and actually took it with
Speaker 1: him to the o C. He does speak Gilmore a
Speaker 1: bit when he went to the o C. But you
Speaker 1: know what, he wasn't really doing the Gilmore thing as
Speaker 1: a member of this cast. He was doing his own thing.
Speaker 1: And I don't know how they let him get away
Speaker 1: with it, but I think they liked what he had
Speaker 1: to bring to the table so much they just sort
Speaker 1: of let it pass because he wasn't flying through the dialogue.
Speaker 1: He wasn't. But he has a cadence and a rhythm
Speaker 1: all his own, right, Yes, And he is like that
Speaker 1: on the o C. Is he? I never I never
Speaker 1: watched it. I might be wrong, but I think that
Speaker 1: had he not left to do the o C, they
Speaker 1: probably would have made him more prominent on gil More. Ah.
Speaker 1: My gut is they would have kept him around, you know.
Speaker 1: You know what all of the here's the interesting thing
Speaker 1: about that, and here's a little inside information, behind the
Speaker 1: scenes stuff. Um, all of those young guys, the uh,
Speaker 1: the Chad, Michael Murray's, the Jared's then and and by
Speaker 1: the way, let me say right now, I am sending
Speaker 1: out love and support to Jared Padlicky and his lovely family.
Speaker 1: I am hoping he recovers. I understand that he was
Speaker 1: a passenger in a car. There was an accident. Jensen Echols,
Speaker 1: his partner and crime for Supernatural, said he could have
Speaker 1: been killed, but the airbag saved him, and Jared's quote
Speaker 1: in Entertainment Weekly was it was like going twelve rounds
Speaker 1: with Mike Tyson, as if anybody could survive that except
Speaker 1: for a vendor holy Field, um and the guy on
Speaker 1: the Southwest plane. Right. But you know, hoping you recover
Speaker 1: a hundred percent. Take all the time you need, buddy,
Speaker 1: and uh, we're hoping you come on the podcast we
Speaker 1: all soon and tell us about your your wonderful career
Speaker 1: and your time on Gilmore Girls. So all the best
Speaker 1: to you and your wife and sons, um and speedy recovery, Buddy,
Speaker 1: speedy recovery. We're you know, everybody is pulling for you. Yeah. Anyway,
Speaker 1: let's get back to what we were talking about. What
Speaker 1: we're talking about. So we're talking about ban practice and
Speaker 1: they're you know, they're practicing at the record store. It's
Speaker 1: the first time we meet Zack and Brian, right, we're
Speaker 1: doing that, We're doing the Adam Brodie Cadence thing. So
Speaker 1: he was really his own guy. He was just so
Speaker 1: fully formed a character that he must have walked into
Speaker 1: the audition and they just went, yeah, okay, don't change
Speaker 1: a thing, don't speed him up, don't get him to
Speaker 1: adhere to the Gilmore speed trap, you know, that kind
Speaker 1: of a thing, because he was just handling it so well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's very likable, yes, and against Lane and her hysteria, right,
Speaker 1: her piste I mean justifiably piste off. People are gonna
Speaker 1: quit or band for God's sake. All the efforts she
Speaker 1: had to go through too to get that, which we'll
Speaker 1: talk about in pop culture. But they make the reference
Speaker 1: to Pete Best, which was that the like the Beatle
Speaker 1: that never was. I think he was the guy he
Speaker 1: dropped out. They either kicked no, they they actually no.
Speaker 1: He was in Hamburg with them for a year or
Speaker 1: so and Ringo quit. Who Pete Best quit the Beatles?
Speaker 1: I think he I believe he was in Hamburg with
Speaker 1: the Beatle for a couple you know, the Beatles became
Speaker 1: the Beatles in Hamburg, Germany. They played thousands of shows
Speaker 1: in two years. I mean, it's all they did was
Speaker 1: play shows. They played five shows on a Sunday, they
Speaker 1: played six shows on a Saturday, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: That's all they did. That's why they were so tight
Speaker 1: and so great. And Ringo Starr was in Hamburg too,
Speaker 1: and he was He was the most famous person in Hamburg.
Speaker 1: Ringo stars and they always wanted him and they finally
Speaker 1: got him. I correct, correct, my own error. Was fired.
Speaker 1: He was not. He did not. He was fired because
Speaker 1: they didn't like what he was doing with some of
Speaker 1: the songs and they they needed a better drummer. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, great scene is evidence that he was fired
Speaker 1: because of his good looks. It's never a good thing. Okay.
Speaker 1: So now you don't want to compete with Paul and John.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the photo. Paul is a more well
Speaker 1: to each their own, but Paul is handsome, so okay.
Speaker 1: So Lane's in her closets. Her closet was amazing. And
Speaker 1: Roy's in her room, and I noticed a fund some
Speaker 1: fun little tidbits as you guys in Rory's room, like
Speaker 1: a nutcracker up in her room, Like the room was amazing,
Speaker 1: and Lane's closet phenomenal. So then okay, sorry, while they're
Speaker 1: on the phone, Debb Debbie Fincher clicks in and then
Speaker 1: that whole thing happens. I Swedberg from the Seinfeld Fame. God,
Speaker 1: she her mom hair was so bad. Yeah, wait, she's
Speaker 1: not the one that dies. Look in the envelopes is
Speaker 1: by the way, not today, but one of these days.
Speaker 1: You have no idea how many people want us to
Speaker 1: do a deep dive into the sponge worthiness, So one
Speaker 1: of these days will do a special. I mean they
Speaker 1: ask every week, so we gotta give it one day.
Speaker 1: But no, oh my god, she died. Look in the
Speaker 1: envelope her mom hair, Deb's mom hair, by the way,
Speaker 1: great scene. My favorite part of it was when when
Speaker 1: Laura I clicked off because she said, well, how's your
Speaker 1: how how are your kids? She just held the phone
Speaker 1: start talking to Rory. It's like she's just gonna talk
Speaker 1: about her kids for a couple of minutes. I don't
Speaker 1: need to know. Uh. The timing on that was beautiful.
Speaker 1: Everything was great about that scene, um and uh, she
Speaker 1: didn't know who the heck that woman was, so it
Speaker 1: was hysterical. It was I thought this was such a
Speaker 1: great episode for Lauren because she got to display in
Speaker 1: a sort of very lighthearted way her comedy skills. It
Speaker 1: was really Lane and Laurelai, which makes me even more
Speaker 1: of an explosion because of your thing you said at
Speaker 1: the top of this episode, like whoa. Also, the fashion
Speaker 1: was so five stars in this episode, and Lane's fashion
Speaker 1: was amazing, from the orange shirt, her original polo, to
Speaker 1: her plaid that had like a little bit of a
Speaker 1: Western element to it. Was just her fashion was babbies. Okay,
Speaker 1: So then you can hold on. You can't you can't
Speaker 1: talk fashion if you're not going to mention the mom's sweater.
Speaker 1: You just say you have to mention the sweater. Worse,
Speaker 1: we will we will discuss more when we get to
Speaker 1: that scene with the lamb, the Lambs sweater and the
Speaker 1: deer sweater. So Lane's mom wants to force her to
Speaker 1: go to religious college and really force her to do
Speaker 1: what she MSRs Kim wants. H Well, she's she's not
Speaker 1: going to bring up the band and then the face
Speaker 1: of that going down hard. She's all aboard a board.
Speaker 1: Oh man, look, she's in a bad spot. What's she
Speaker 1: gonna do. She's she's got to make it work at
Speaker 1: the local music store. She just has to. And I
Speaker 1: think that I don't know. It's like, Zach, come on,
Speaker 1: you know, you just practice, you don't listen. I used
Speaker 1: to practice with the band all the time and we
Speaker 1: would practice really loud, and you know what, it didn't help.
Speaker 1: It didn't help anything. It doesn't make you better. It
Speaker 1: just made us more deaf. It doesn't make you better.
Speaker 1: There's no reason for it. And exactly just turn it down.
Speaker 1: Just turn it way down, so then you can sort
Speaker 1: of layer the guitars and you can sort of weave
Speaker 1: stuff together. And you know, it's amazing that that he
Speaker 1: didn't know that. Um, I don't know. Yeah, So that
Speaker 1: for me an inauspicious debut for Zach, right, you know,
Speaker 1: interesting character, for sure. I'm sure he comes around full circle.
Speaker 1: But you know, the first we see Zack he quits
Speaker 1: the band, it's like, what this is Lane's dream? What
Speaker 1: are you doing? Bro? You know? And then John and
Speaker 1: then who's John Cabara's character? Ryan? And then Ryan wants
Speaker 1: to put the band but I guess that's how these
Speaker 1: things are in high school. Right. It's like, I'm not
Speaker 1: feeling it, man, So I'm at here. She didn't know
Speaker 1: them before, she just met them. You know, they don't
Speaker 1: go to her school. I mean, as an audience, we
Speaker 1: know how big of a dream this is for for
Speaker 1: Lane and how it's not I mean, it's the reason
Speaker 1: people join rock bands and run away from home. She's
Speaker 1: she's that not stereotypical situation, but it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: whether it's you know, abuse or it's alcohol, whatever it is,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like, we got to get away from
Speaker 1: this and join a rock band and go be famous.
Speaker 1: Um um, She's she's that girl and she really wants
Speaker 1: to do this, and I think it's a It's it
Speaker 1: makes that power, the power of that character palpable because
Speaker 1: you know, it's so relatable. I mean, it's so relatable
Speaker 1: and just a great episode for her. But I feel
Speaker 1: like kids, they do seem like high school kids. Were
Speaker 1: doing another show about nine o two one oh, and
Speaker 1: those kids never seemed like they were in high school.
Speaker 1: They were like ten years older, whereas these guys seem
Speaker 1: the age they seen sixteen seventeen. They Act sixteen seventeen.
Speaker 1: It's they definitely seemed like kids in high school. Yeah, like,
Speaker 1: come on, Lane, you can figure it out. You can
Speaker 1: get to Hartford. You know you can do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wonder, I guess. And here's another thing. I did
Speaker 1: have another thought. Okay, I had another thought. The thoughts
Speaker 1: got together at head Babies. If Mrs Kim is so
Speaker 1: obsessed with Lane's education, and she's so concerned with Lane's future,
Speaker 1: why isn't she in private school? Maybe they couldn't afford it. Okay,
Speaker 1: there's scholarships, there's all kinds of there's there's financial aid,
Speaker 1: there's right, it's a good point. Is Mrs Kim not
Speaker 1: a woman of true hustle and means? I mean, she
Speaker 1: could have figured that out. What's she doing in stars Hollow?
Speaker 1: That's a great point. Not. I mean, it's not Chilton.
Speaker 1: I don't know how highly rated Star Stars Hallow High
Speaker 1: School is. But it's a small town right in Connecticut,
Speaker 1: so it must be Connecticut as a great school. So
Speaker 1: it's good, right, But it's not private school. And also
Speaker 1: you would think that she would have gone to a
Speaker 1: private school just because it was strict, you know, wearing
Speaker 1: a uniform. Absolutely, this this, this like Mrs Kim, how
Speaker 1: do you say no to Mrs Kemp. She would have
Speaker 1: gone to any private school, made a deal with some
Speaker 1: antique furniture or whatever, giving him half their business. She
Speaker 1: would have done anything so that her daughter could go
Speaker 1: to private school. Why didn't she do it? Do you
Speaker 1: think it's because it's closer to her house so she
Speaker 1: can actually watch lanes every move And she knows everyone
Speaker 1: in Stars Hollow. That is an interesting point. She knows
Speaker 1: every single person, every kid, every parent in that school.
Speaker 1: That's a good point. She's got the eyes at school,
Speaker 1: things flowing. Yeah, they're right across the street. She's right
Speaker 1: across the town circle, town Square. Okay, So now we're
Speaker 1: at the inn and lorealizes prepping her speech and you
Speaker 1: get on the phone and you're like, I want to
Speaker 1: back out, and she's doing the baby voice versus the
Speaker 1: Louis Armstrong voice. That was highly comedic but very odd. Found. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Michelle was perfect. Oh god, Oh, the man slays me.
Speaker 1: The man just absolutely slays me. Did you just say
Speaker 1: says that makes me so happy? It kills me. That
Speaker 1: guy kills me. He delivers I mean, what did he
Speaker 1: have one scene, what do you have? Five lines of dialogue?
Speaker 1: And he steals the I don't know if he stole
Speaker 1: the episode, but man, what a highlight that was. He
Speaker 1: went so fast with it that I almost wanted to
Speaker 1: watch it like eight more times because he is just
Speaker 1: cruising with the liners, making fun of her. His timing
Speaker 1: is perfect, It's perfect. He's perfect. It's just unbelievable. I
Speaker 1: love that guy. I want to bring him back on
Speaker 1: the podcast. Guy. I asked, Scott, you might want to
Speaker 1: pop him a text because they pitched him to me.
Speaker 1: He's got his new show coming. Yeah, and so I said,
Speaker 1: we really want him to come on again. Yeah, he'll
Speaker 1: come on. I know. He's so great. I was just
Speaker 1: with him in Where was I with him? I said it?
Speaker 1: I told him I was with him in Was I
Speaker 1: with him in Atlanta? Yeah? At a convention? I was
Speaker 1: with him. Yeah he was, Yeah, I was. We hung
Speaker 1: out the whole time. He's great. We are booth boothe
Speaker 1: were next to each other. Were you popular? Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 1: People wanted to double selfie. They wanted to you know, selfie.
Speaker 1: I kept interrupting him. He kept interrupting me. Hey, Scott,
Speaker 1: they wanted double and like Okay, excuse me, I'll have
Speaker 1: to go over here. Now he's right there. He was
Speaker 1: right next door. He was my neighbor. Did you guys
Speaker 1: notice it's fall obviously because at the beginning of season three,
Speaker 1: but they're really showing us fall with the pumpkins, the
Speaker 1: Halloween decor. Yeah, that made me. He's like so excited.
Speaker 1: And it's April here the Darnet still got a couple
Speaker 1: of months ago. So Rory and Lane are walking through
Speaker 1: town and this was another thing that I thought was
Speaker 1: brilliant about this episode. They walk into the beauty shop,
Speaker 1: which we've never been to the beauty shop. They're shopping.
Speaker 1: Are you are you waitte? Are you? Are you skipping?
Speaker 1: The Luke wanting to back out of the she said
Speaker 1: it was awkward. That's I mean, but there's more to it. Okay,
Speaker 1: go tell no, no, I mean you go, you go
Speaker 1: you tell Well. I did think the baby voice was awkward,
Speaker 1: and the Louis Armstrong voice was like funny but awkward,
Speaker 1: and then that she convinces Luke to do it. I
Speaker 1: noticed something about these two. The banter between these two
Speaker 1: is so even when it's awkward and cringe e, you
Speaker 1: still feel the love. It comes through loud and clear.
Speaker 1: They are perfectly matched. They are perfect for each other.
Speaker 1: And you don't expect Luke to the You don't expect
Speaker 1: those things to come out of Luke's mouth, right if
Speaker 1: you're looking at him like, that's the last thing I
Speaker 1: expected that guy to say. Which is that? Which is
Speaker 1: why the character is so great. It's what he says,
Speaker 1: and it makes Jess so brilliant because Jess calls him
Speaker 1: out at the end of this episode. So that's I
Speaker 1: thought that was, like, oh and Jess is Jess is
Speaker 1: going down a couple of notches in my book, and
Speaker 1: the character's going down a little bit. I agree. He
Speaker 1: gave a look look when when when what's the girl's name?
Speaker 1: The blonde? Shane and Jess passed Rory and and and
Speaker 1: Lane on the street, you know, Jess looked back and
Speaker 1: kind of gave her a dirty look. He's hurt, he's
Speaker 1: broken hearted. He is. That's why he says nothing to me.
Speaker 1: I don't even know her last name. The girl, he says,
Speaker 1: the girl I like, doesn't want to be with me.
Speaker 1: Part of course he gave her the dirty looft If
Speaker 1: only he knew that Rory's flipping her lid on Shane.
Speaker 1: He would be so happy. Literally, Jess is just using
Speaker 1: Shane as a rebound. I get that. But listen, you know,
Speaker 1: Rory got on a bus and went to New York City,
Speaker 1: she'd never been there before to go find him. She
Speaker 1: found him, Then he comes to the wedding, they kissed.
Speaker 1: She kisses him. I mean, it's like, you know you're
Speaker 1: going to break up with Dean. So in the beauty
Speaker 1: shop the thing that I thought was so brilliant, just
Speaker 1: beyond brilliant. They're shopping, they're doing all their hair thing,
Speaker 1: and they're they're going, going, going, and then boom, Shane,
Speaker 1: Like I did not even I've seen this episode at
Speaker 1: least three times, and I forgot she was in there.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what did you think, Danielle when she there?
Speaker 1: She was? I mean, I loved it. That's the best,
Speaker 1: you know, Like that's especially her being on the phone
Speaker 1: kind of ignoring Rory a little bit and Rory demanding attention.
Speaker 1: It's just it was on the phone with Jess. I know,
Speaker 1: that's the best part. That's the later scene. That's the
Speaker 1: later scene. I think she goes, that's okay, that's fine.
Speaker 1: You guys. So, yeah, there's Shane. And I think it's
Speaker 1: interesting that she never says to Lane that girl, that girl, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what, the best friend. She doesn't say, I
Speaker 1: don't like that girl because I love Jess, like she
Speaker 1: can't even she does kem and how about it in
Speaker 1: the bathroom when Lane's like, I want someone like you
Speaker 1: and you know, like Dean, like you and Dean, and
Speaker 1: She's all you can tell that she's just like I know,
Speaker 1: and she still can't even tell Lane like her. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, any I didn't even think about that until now.
Speaker 1: You're so right, Like literally, this has happened twice now,
Speaker 1: like it was with Paris and Rory back when they were,
Speaker 1: you know, in their summer camp thing, and then now
Speaker 1: where Lane's like, you have the perfect guy. I want
Speaker 1: your love and she still can't even say it's not
Speaker 1: We'll imagine everyone tells you every day you have the
Speaker 1: perfect guy with the perfect guy, but you're inside, you're like,
Speaker 1: I don't think I like this dude anymore. But you're
Speaker 1: like so conflicted because everyone's telling you this is the
Speaker 1: guy and also telling you the guy you like isn't
Speaker 1: the guy a teenager, I also think she loves both,
Speaker 1: though I think she's kind of in the middle of
Speaker 1: she loves Dean for who he is, but she has
Speaker 1: this crush on Chess, so she's kind of she doesn't
Speaker 1: want to admit that at all. I disagree. I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think she loved Dean and like hasn't algio with
Speaker 1: him and like history, but she doesn't care for him
Speaker 1: now because if she cared for him now, she would
Speaker 1: let him go, in my opinion, because she's so enamored,
Speaker 1: which that's very evolved for a teenager. People hang you
Speaker 1: know before you know, Yeah, you're right, But like, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't see her connection with Dean at all anymore. Well,
Speaker 1: we saw it last week a little bit in the diner.
Speaker 1: They were very cute, and I think even you admitted
Speaker 1: they were cute. There's something there that remains. But it's
Speaker 1: definitely like the flame is dying. Yeah, but she knows that.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's almost like they're a married couple
Speaker 1: at this point from her point of view, because he's
Speaker 1: just always going to be there. She can rely on him.
Speaker 1: He's a rock and maybe she felt it, you know
Speaker 1: that maybe the flame is doused a little bit right,
Speaker 1: She's not breaking up with him for some reason. He
Speaker 1: is he started interrupted? Is he is he giving her
Speaker 1: a reason to break up with him? No, so other
Speaker 1: than just she doesn't like him as much. I have
Speaker 1: a question. Do you think if Jess went up to
Speaker 1: Rory in this episode and was like, I want to
Speaker 1: be with you, but you need to break up a dean?
Speaker 1: Would she break up a dean? Mhmm, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to answer that. Oh no, does it happen shit times?
Speaker 1: Are you predicting the future? I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: know what what she would do, because it's hard to
Speaker 1: let go of somebody who has been so there for you,
Speaker 1: built you a car, loves you unconditionally, doesn't necessarily understand
Speaker 1: you a d um But I know she just doesn't
Speaker 1: see that long that's not a long term arm thing
Speaker 1: for her. That's gonna be somebody who maybe we'll be
Speaker 1: in her life for a very long time on a
Speaker 1: friendship basis, or some a very special someone. Right, But
Speaker 1: you know they ain't walking down the aisle together. Well,
Speaker 1: maybe they are. I don't know. I mean you no,
Speaker 1: I'm just knowing hypothetically. Daniel, What did you just say
Speaker 1: to Tara, I go to do this. You guys, I
Speaker 1: legitately watching this for the first time, so I know
Speaker 1: every exciting. Everyone criticized us in the beginning when we
Speaker 1: started this podcast because they were like, Danyelle doesn't even
Speaker 1: know the show. Sorry, that's probably not the tone to us,
Speaker 1: but it was like we had a point. Our point
Speaker 1: was Scott's in it. I've seen it almost every episode,
Speaker 1: at least three to five times. Taras seen it a
Speaker 1: lot of times. We wanted somebody that's watched this for
Speaker 1: the virgin gilness. That was the original title original for
Speaker 1: the show was Virgin Yeah. Okay, So we go into
Speaker 1: the diner and she calls you, Lucas. Did you catch that? Lad? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Somebody replay it, but I'm pretty sure she goes into
Speaker 1: the diner, you're not dressed for the speech, and she's like, Lucas,
Speaker 1: unless I misheard it, you know, I want to go back.
Speaker 1: You know, the only thing that could have made the
Speaker 1: let's go back to the the the Rory and what's
Speaker 1: her name again, Shane Shan Shane Rory Shane Sane. I'm
Speaker 1: telling you, and I'm not trying to be sarcastic or
Speaker 1: even a little bit of wisest, but um, I half expected.
Speaker 1: There was a part of me and I was hoping
Speaker 1: that it wouldn't happen. There was a part of me
Speaker 1: that I thought, maybe, um, from behind some of the
Speaker 1: display cans, that Christopher would break through them and say, Rory,
Speaker 1: why haven't you called me? I've been There was just
Speaker 1: a there was a twins, there was a tinge. There
Speaker 1: was a part of me that was like, God, is
Speaker 1: Christopher gonna show up here? Because I didn't expect Shane
Speaker 1: and I like that. I said, that's how you do that.
Speaker 1: But then it went back to the other episode when
Speaker 1: you know they cut a hole in the roof and
Speaker 1: drop him in, uh Emily's house. I thought, if he
Speaker 1: shows up here, God, do you imagine christ or isn't
Speaker 1: doing this with the shampoo? That would have been kind
Speaker 1: of awesome. He knows where the bookstore is, Remember he
Speaker 1: went to the bookstore. He's like in Doss Market. Underneath
Speaker 1: the candle ups or something. Miss Patty lifts the candle
Speaker 1: opens says, oh hello. I wouldn't have been mad. It
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been It would have been um. Anyway, where
Speaker 1: are we going now? So Desyner and She's like, you're
Speaker 1: not dressed, and he's like, this is my power outfit.
Speaker 1: It's my power outfit. And then she takes him upstairs
Speaker 1: and Jesse is in the apartment and they kind of
Speaker 1: he doesn't he way. This made me laugh. You go
Speaker 1: in like the bathroom to change and she's like, th
Speaker 1: shirt off, we've been to the lake or whatever. And
Speaker 1: then which I thought was kind of flirty, flirty, like
Speaker 1: I was definitely being like, I've seen you shirtless before,
Speaker 1: and then dropping that little hint she knows that Jesse
Speaker 1: has got a girl in the closet. So talk about
Speaker 1: that scene. You know, that scene showed me that Laurel
Speaker 1: I was really happy being with Luke and commanding him
Speaker 1: to put on a shirt and clean up. She wants
Speaker 1: to be that in that situation. That's what it showed me.
Speaker 1: She wanted to be married, she wanted to be with him.
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm really comfortable with this guy. I'm so
Speaker 1: comfortable with this guy. I can order him around, i
Speaker 1: can grab him by the shoulder, I can push him
Speaker 1: up the stairs. And he likes it. And he liked
Speaker 1: it too. He liked that she was doing She's the
Speaker 1: only person in his life that can get away with
Speaker 1: that because they like each other so much, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's like finally a situation where they can have
Speaker 1: some physical contact or be in contact with with each other,
Speaker 1: except you know, as as customer and proprietor you know.
Speaker 1: So I just think he relaxed a little bit, and
Speaker 1: he was, you know, as looking forward to doing this
Speaker 1: speech thing and spending time with Laurel as he can be.
Speaker 1: And he's doing it for her. He has no interest
Speaker 1: in doing this speech at all or going back to
Speaker 1: the school or any of it. He's doing it to
Speaker 1: be with her, right right. Did you suspect Luke to
Speaker 1: be a parrot head? A parrot head that's the name
Speaker 1: of the Jimmy Buffett fans. They're called parrot No, I
Speaker 1: didn't know. I did not expect that. That was great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: wait what, Danielle, No, Tara was buffet head. Not it's
Speaker 1: actually parrot head. They call it the wrong name in
Speaker 1: the show. But Buffett fans are actually called parrot heads.
Speaker 1: It's it's commonly associated with a buffet fan. But she
Speaker 1: did say buffet head, Yeah she did, Yeah she did.
Speaker 1: But it's really like that's one of Tar's pop culture.
Speaker 1: We'll get to it later this week, because I actually
Speaker 1: confirmed we called parrot heads. I mean, unless I'm insane,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I know, I'm right. Okay, So then we
Speaker 1: so what did you think of Shane in the closet
Speaker 1: and how Laura La knew and Luke did it? And
Speaker 1: I could see it in her face. She's talking to
Speaker 1: him and all of a sudden, you see in her eyeballs.
Speaker 1: That's why I love her acting, because you're literally like
Speaker 1: she gave him this look. We should freeze frame it
Speaker 1: on the Instagram because she gives him a look like
Speaker 1: saying like, there's a girl in your closet and I
Speaker 1: know it, but I'm not your mom, so I'm going
Speaker 1: to cruise out of here, but I'll be telling your uncle.
Speaker 1: And also while she was looking through the closet, she
Speaker 1: you know, like, I think this is what you're talking about,
Speaker 1: but like Jess looked back to like, hey, you know
Speaker 1: yet that it was that closet. For some reason, I
Speaker 1: thought the girl was in a different closet. No, because
Speaker 1: she was looking through the shirt see her. I think
Speaker 1: that was the whole point, Like she was looking through
Speaker 1: the closet and she kind of if you know, if
Speaker 1: if you rewatch the scene, she's like looking through it
Speaker 1: and kind of pauses and looks back and has a
Speaker 1: connection with Jess, so that I'm sure that's these things.
Speaker 1: Was that? What do you think? I think you're right
Speaker 1: now that I think about it. Yeah, isn't it the
Speaker 1: only clause it in that I didn't get the vibe
Speaker 1: that she saw her. I got the vibe that she
Speaker 1: just knew Jeff was up to something right, because he
Speaker 1: kept looking back and it was all squirrely he was looking.
Speaker 1: She saw him looking back at the closet, and I
Speaker 1: thought there was a little noise. Yeah, they need to
Speaker 1: get some eagle lines because he did that awkward move
Speaker 1: back to the chair as soon as they walked in. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he did look healthy. So then we got a Lane's
Speaker 1: gigantic bathroom. Did anybody else? House is huge? House Its huge.
Speaker 1: Rory's wearing an awesome orange shirt, doing her hair. It's
Speaker 1: totally stinging. Lane's like running around. Oh my god. That
Speaker 1: is my favorite scene of the entire episode because when
Speaker 1: Lane runs around the town square practically with a bleach
Speaker 1: in her hair around her shoulder, so she's like, Rory's like,
Speaker 1: I'm dizzy from the smell, and then she's reading the poddle.
Speaker 1: Is your skill broken? I don't know my stone, my
Speaker 1: scalp is broken, I don't know my skal thought. Well,
Speaker 1: that scene was hysterical. So my only question about that
Speaker 1: scene is is why weren't they sort of whisper shouting.
Speaker 1: I mean they were talking at like a higher volume.
Speaker 1: Um when Mrs Kim came home and I was thinking,
Speaker 1: Mrs Kim can hear them upstairs? I don't know. That
Speaker 1: house is so big, I mean the antique stores in
Speaker 1: the house. It's like, but where did Rory exit too?
Speaker 1: She got the window and out off over the roof.
Speaker 1: I couldn't figure out if suddenly she was on the
Speaker 1: first floor. I know, I thought the same thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was confusing, And I was also confused at how
Speaker 1: quickly Lane got her hair back to black. Yeah. It's
Speaker 1: very course, like literally within the next scene her hair
Speaker 1: was black. I was like, WHOA, Well, first she went each,
Speaker 1: then she went purple, then she freaked out. Then Rory
Speaker 1: goes to get the black, and then it was black.
Speaker 1: We're not totally sure on the the amount of time.
Speaker 1: It could have been a few hours because Laurel is
Speaker 1: given the speech and then she has the whole drama
Speaker 1: with the Moms TV Magic um and the pie is done,
Speaker 1: very very funny stuff. Okay, so now we go to
Speaker 1: the school and this was like beyond Butch the Kids,
Speaker 1: classic scene between classic reveal Butch Danes. That's classic. We
Speaker 1: see that, We see the goofy face shot of me
Speaker 1: when I don't know how all that did. You guys
Speaker 1: see the poster in the school that says homework don't
Speaker 1: leave home without it? So good. I think we're kind
Speaker 1: of bebopping back and forth because I think we're at school.
Speaker 1: Then we go back to the hair situation. But I mean,
Speaker 1: but we find out that Luke did not have a
Speaker 1: good time in school, didn't like school. What's that about?
Speaker 1: Let's discuss. Well, I think we knew that a little
Speaker 1: bit when you had to go to the principal's office
Speaker 1: because of Jess. I don't want to be here right right,
Speaker 1: So what happened? What happened? I don't know because I
Speaker 1: just assume you were popular. Maybe you just didn't get
Speaker 1: straight a's and it was like you didn't love school.
Speaker 1: That you were popular. I think you were popular, yeah,
Speaker 1: and obviously, butch Days was an athlete. I think you
Speaker 1: just weren't good at school, but you're so good at
Speaker 1: math m hm h. And it seems like you went
Speaker 1: to college because you know how to run a business,
Speaker 1: but maybe just learned it. I don't think you. I
Speaker 1: don't think you need to go to college when you
Speaker 1: Inherit a diner or a hard worship's right, you did
Speaker 1: inherit It. You grew up in it. So Wlayne admits
Speaker 1: she's in love with Dave. Very cute, and then the
Speaker 1: scenes are going back and forth. That's the trick. That's
Speaker 1: why I'm kind of jumping around because you see the
Speaker 1: first part of school, then we go back to the hair,
Speaker 1: then we go back to school, and now we're in
Speaker 1: the classroom and the bleep hits the fan. Um. I
Speaker 1: think this might have been Lauren's best work, some some
Speaker 1: of the best work I've ever seen her do. Um.
Speaker 1: I was just beaming with pride watching watching her execute
Speaker 1: those very quirky, little funny little lines and pauses, and
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just not a lot of people could
Speaker 1: do that, and it was just wonderful to watch. I
Speaker 1: agree that whole thing was amazing, really wonderful to watch.
Speaker 1: I loved I'm showing. I loved the cursive on the chalkboard.
Speaker 1: Did you guys notice it was like beautiful Lorela Gilmore
Speaker 1: and linked days and chalk crseft Did you guys not
Speaker 1: see that? Seems like a Deb move to me? Verry Deb?
Speaker 1: How about Deb? Just horrified, like just horrified. They're like,
Speaker 1: didn't get pregnant at sixteen? Like these braddy little kids,
Speaker 1: like can you not what the heck? Yeah? And I
Speaker 1: think and if it's Deb's class, right, No, Deb's the
Speaker 1: p t A mom putting it together, a teacher who's
Speaker 1: who's teaching the class? I don't know that we knew that?
Speaker 1: Or maybe this was more of an after school thing. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: was that three at four o'clock? Right? Yeah? So I
Speaker 1: think this was some sort of p t A. So
Speaker 1: why didn't Deb stand up and stop the students? Yeah?
Speaker 1: They kind of blame why they try? Right exactly? Lorel
Speaker 1: I did all she could, and she was gracious and funny,
Speaker 1: and you know, she was polite about it, and they
Speaker 1: just so. So Deb should have stood up and said, now,
Speaker 1: now you know, listen, we're here for this and we
Speaker 1: got to stay and she didn't and then she yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree completely, and then all the moms getting up
Speaker 1: on Laurel like it was her fault. She's like, you
Speaker 1: asked me to come, and I what is Lorrela supposed
Speaker 1: to do in that situation? Right? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like she's like, she can't say I wish I didn't
Speaker 1: get pregnant, didn't have Rory, because those are all you know,
Speaker 1: those kids all know Rory. So she's kind of got
Speaker 1: to be like, I'm so thankful that I got Rory
Speaker 1: out of this very unfortunate situation, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like my second favorite one in the whole episode, you
Speaker 1: know what's fun to talk about late check out. She tried,
Speaker 1: she tried bringing back let's go through that everything. I
Speaker 1: also felt really bad because Lorela was so excited for
Speaker 1: this moment because it's something that was hers, and they
Speaker 1: keep bringing back that she got pregnant at sixteen, which
Speaker 1: just isn't really fair to her because she created a
Speaker 1: whole life on her own and it's still biting her.
Speaker 1: You know. That's that's small towns for you. That's like
Speaker 1: everybody knows your business and they don't forget. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know Yeah, there was more meaning there, just as we
Speaker 1: talked about last week, like Dan Pelladino writing about the
Speaker 1: Harvard family. There's significance to that, you know. So then
Speaker 1: we go back to Lane, Lane's freaking out and Roy.
Speaker 1: But but then would would not have been another perfect moment,
Speaker 1: you know, to find a use for Christopher again comes
Speaker 1: into the classroom. Plural I why haven't you called me?
Speaker 1: It's like Superman saves the day. Okay, So Rory goes
Speaker 1: to the beauty shop and has the altercation, which I
Speaker 1: know it's just saying, holy cow, I thought that Shane
Speaker 1: held her own. Yes, I agree, but Rory delivered the
Speaker 1: knockout blow. Yeah, and I assume that Shane has no context,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like she's like, why is
Speaker 1: this chick all up in my grill? Because she doesn't
Speaker 1: know that there's something going on between Rory and Jess,
Speaker 1: So she's just like, why is this customer crazy? She
Speaker 1: also acts like she's never seen Rory before, right, right? Bad? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but maybe she doesn't even notice her. Maybe Shane just
Speaker 1: doesn't notice her in the diner. Yeah, and she didn't
Speaker 1: know she is he making out the whole time, only
Speaker 1: in Jesse's Eyes twenty four seven, when she's in that
Speaker 1: they first kissed by the tree and Rory she never
Speaker 1: saw Rory. That's true. Now there is a debate, though,
Speaker 1: I need everyone to weigh in. Is blowdy a word?
Speaker 1: Because I use blowdy all the time. It appears to
Speaker 1: be in the Wictionary, which seems to be the Wikipedia
Speaker 1: version of the dictionary, So it's slang. It's think it's
Speaker 1: slang slang. It's not in like Websters, right, it's in
Speaker 1: the Urban Dictionary. I feel like that I've heard I've
Speaker 1: heard that used that way before, and I definitely feel
Speaker 1: blowty whenever I eat too much peanut butter. Anyone what
Speaker 1: an odd expecting? And blueberry muffins at breakfast? Blueberry muffins
Speaker 1: could make you feel blowty. Peanut butter is a very
Speaker 1: blowty food. It's like it's a known fact. Yes, And
Speaker 1: the older you get and you eat it, the more
Speaker 1: blow do you feel. Yeah? Those young kids, they need
Speaker 1: to back off because I'm of a certain age where
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try almond butter. Does almond butter make you
Speaker 1: feel as blowty as peanut butter? Uh? Yeah? Okay? To
Speaker 1: limit my butter just butters and generally okay. So we
Speaker 1: now have the confrontation of Luke and Laurelai and the
Speaker 1: p t a mom's in the lamb sweater, the deer
Speaker 1: sweater with the hair. They didn't have a leg to
Speaker 1: stand on. It was ridiculous. It was it was a
Speaker 1: tailor maids. It was like a softball pitch to laurel
Speaker 1: I to hit it out of the park, and she did.
Speaker 1: The thing I liked so much about the scene is
Speaker 1: that Luke got the heck out of there. I didn't
Speaker 1: want to deal with anything. He's like bugged that. He
Speaker 1: just went back to the dinner. I just don't know
Speaker 1: how her but he didn't need him there right, which
Speaker 1: I think was also sort of more to you know,
Speaker 1: she doesn't need him to like save her. And I
Speaker 1: think that's another thing about their relationship, like he's like,
Speaker 1: she's got this right. That's not even a fair fight,
Speaker 1: five against one against laurel against these puffs? Do they
Speaker 1: do they even know what they're getting involved. She's a chainsaw.
Speaker 1: She's going to chew these people up. Daniel, Wait, what
Speaker 1: were you going to say about the I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: how dare you try to confront Laurela in those sweaters
Speaker 1: like it's not going to happen. What are you wearing?
Speaker 1: And the hair, the hair right exactly, the fact that
Speaker 1: you all use the same hair. Lousy hairdresser. If anyone
Speaker 1: could find that lamb sweater, I will rock it. I
Speaker 1: will rock it so hard. Yeah, that is cool about
Speaker 1: their relationship. Yeah, she's strong. Yeah. Yeah, he doesn't have
Speaker 1: to stay and he knows that, and she knows that.
Speaker 1: It's not like she went to him later and was
Speaker 1: like you left me out through with those crazy moms.
Speaker 1: Like she's like, no, dude, I guess right. That's an
Speaker 1: indication that he understands her better than anybody. Yes, I agree,
Speaker 1: so and recognizes her power. Yes, yeah, and she just
Speaker 1: calls them out and she's she was, you know, professional
Speaker 1: about it, I guess is the word to say. And
Speaker 1: then she gives them the dig like your lousy hairdresser.
Speaker 1: So then Jess and Luke have their the best scene.
Speaker 1: I'll let you comment on it first. Interesting, Yeah, Daniel
Speaker 1: entire you guys go first. A favorite scene. Honestly my
Speaker 1: favorite scene of the whole episode. Um, Luke comes in
Speaker 1: pretty pretty hot, right, and Jess is just taking it
Speaker 1: and also giving back like all the comebacks in the world,
Speaker 1: like when when Luke was like, I know you had
Speaker 1: a girl in the closet, and he was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, you know, like I didn't ask her to
Speaker 1: go in there, like I didn't care if you guys
Speaker 1: caught us. Like literally, he was kind of like, can
Speaker 1: I say badass? He was kind of a badass in
Speaker 1: that scene. I was like, WHOA. Also so was Luke,
Speaker 1: because Luke really wanted totally teach Jess the right thing,
Speaker 1: and ultimately I felt that Luke's lesson for Jess was
Speaker 1: all about respect, respecting yourself, respecting the girl, respecting your uncle,
Speaker 1: your parents, having respect for another human. And I thought
Speaker 1: that was very beautiful too. Yeah, I agree. It was
Speaker 1: a really touching moment. I was like, I loved I
Speaker 1: loved Luke and how he was like a total fought
Speaker 1: like fatherly discussion with his son. It felt like, you know, obviously,
Speaker 1: we know that's not it. Jess is just his nephew,
Speaker 1: but like literally, like that was like such a like
Speaker 1: a cool moment to see between the two of them.
Speaker 1: And you also saw like the sadness that Jess had,
Speaker 1: you know, like there's a lot of hurt in jest
Speaker 1: right now. And and I think that scene just kind
Speaker 1: of showed that, like Luke is like the one person
Speaker 1: that like he's really got and Luke doesn't want him
Speaker 1: to just mess around with a girl. He wants him
Speaker 1: to care about someone and that person to care about him. Right,
Speaker 1: He's going to miss out on the pageantry of life,
Speaker 1: you know if he continues to hide, you know, bury
Speaker 1: his feelings and just use people burious feelings. That's exactly right. Um.
Speaker 1: I called that. Have you that that scene? Have your
Speaker 1: new decency, Mr Jeff Jess. He just wants him, he
Speaker 1: wants him to be He's trying to raise him, like
Speaker 1: and influence him to be decent. Just be a decent
Speaker 1: human being. Respect people, it doesn't matter who they are.
Speaker 1: Just respect them, and respect the town. And respect me,
Speaker 1: and respect Rory, and respect respect yourself. Respect yourself. But
Speaker 1: Jess was right calling Luke out, saying, you haven't told
Speaker 1: Laurela how you feel. And she can convince you to
Speaker 1: do anything and you do it like a puppy, but
Speaker 1: you don't say how you feel. That's a cheap shot,
Speaker 1: true though, that's not true, but it's different. It's a
Speaker 1: different context. I mean we're talking about you know, he's
Speaker 1: he's a fly by night character, a transit transit transitory
Speaker 1: character who's coming in and out of town, who knows
Speaker 1: how long he's going to stay. He doesn't have any responsibilities,
Speaker 1: he has no roots in that town. It's easy for
Speaker 1: him to say something like that. I thought it was cheap.
Speaker 1: I thought they were all cheap shots because because Luke
Speaker 1: Luke Luke has roots in that town, He's got a
Speaker 1: certain respect in that town. Always respects Lorelai right, and
Speaker 1: that's the core of it. That's why he respects himself right,
Speaker 1: and he's right, and he's protective of himself. It's like,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go out on a limb unless
Speaker 1: I'm sure, because the consequences could be dire for his business,
Speaker 1: for him personally, for Lorela, for Rory. So he's doing
Speaker 1: the right thing. Examples and oranges. Although there is some
Speaker 1: truth to Jess calling him out, like why don't you
Speaker 1: say how you feel? Like the theme of season three
Speaker 1: is don't tell the people that you need to tell
Speaker 1: how you feel, you know, like Rory isn't telling Jazz,
Speaker 1: Jess isn't telling Rory, Luca isn't telling Lorelai and vice versa.
Speaker 1: It's just a lot of lost communication. But Luke is
Speaker 1: not that guy. At least he's not that that guy yet.
Speaker 1: Where he's sitting around talking about his feelings or or
Speaker 1: spilling his guts to somebody, it's not him. It's he
Speaker 1: understands the value of long term, and he understands the
Speaker 1: value of friendship right, and he understands community. I think
Speaker 1: that's why he's beloved. He does understand all those things,
Speaker 1: and he's not willing to, in a selfish way, risk
Speaker 1: all of that, plus his reputation and maybe the reputation
Speaker 1: of somebody else or their heart by making a move
Speaker 1: on a girl that he's really good friends with, whose
Speaker 1: daughter is in a precarious position because she doesn't need
Speaker 1: to be disrupted at this point in her life. She
Speaker 1: needs to focus and study, and her mother doesn't need
Speaker 1: to be involved in some you know, highly charged relationship,
Speaker 1: which which it would be right because of the chemistry,
Speaker 1: it would be explosive, you know. I hope I'm not
Speaker 1: speaking out of turn, but um, you know, let Rory
Speaker 1: get to college and then make maybe he makes a move,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like, don't disrupt. I
Speaker 1: see where you're coming from with that. I think we
Speaker 1: just need to because that's how I played it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's how I that's how I interpreted Like, your role
Speaker 1: here is to be a steady influence on Rory's life
Speaker 1: and also Laurela because she needs it too. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think that as far as the conversation with Jess goes,
Speaker 1: Luke was not being so Rory wasn't entering his mind
Speaker 1: as much as he's saying, you shouldn't hide a girl
Speaker 1: in the closet, and you need to have respect for
Speaker 1: her and respect for yourself and and respect for what
Speaker 1: I want, which is not having a girl in here
Speaker 1: at all or in the closet. But also if you
Speaker 1: like a girl, then like that girl, but don't use
Speaker 1: a girl. Mm hmm. It was a good father moment,
Speaker 1: basic values. Yeah, if you want my respect, then you
Speaker 1: should respect others. Yes, yes, it's like this is your life.
Speaker 1: You're throwing it away, you know, one person at a time, right,
Speaker 1: Because he was sort of like, I didn't make a
Speaker 1: good and there you didn't care about me either, and
Speaker 1: Jess is sort of liked all good and Luke's whole
Speaker 1: point is No, that's not all good. Like I want
Speaker 1: you with someone you care about, that cares about you.
Speaker 1: I don't. You and Shane are just like being like
Speaker 1: disrespectful almost like to everybody. Listen, Um, Jess is in
Speaker 1: a very tough spot. He is not going to come
Speaker 1: out of that. You know, when you get rejected by
Speaker 1: two parents. Now what you know, who's who's the dad? Right?
Speaker 1: Who's his dad? You? No? But I mean who's his
Speaker 1: biological father? I don't know. We do know, we do know,
Speaker 1: we don't know yet. He got it's rob Hesti's because
Speaker 1: he goes right, but we don't know that yet. Okay,
Speaker 1: so then his mom can't handle him. I man, this
Speaker 1: kid is in such deep pain. He's really confused. He
Speaker 1: does not when he's heartbroken the girl he likes. He's
Speaker 1: completely out of control. And yes, he's highly vulnerable. He
Speaker 1: doesn't know why he's doing these things. These things are
Speaker 1: just happening. There's just band aids. Shane is a total
Speaker 1: band aid. It makes him like feel better in the moment.
Speaker 1: He's going to sabotage his entire life. Um, because of
Speaker 1: how he because of this rejection, this parental rejection, and
Speaker 1: Luke has a you know, he's he may have bitten
Speaker 1: off more than he can chew here, but he I
Speaker 1: think he understands what Jess is going through. It just
Speaker 1: doesn't want to play into it. Yes, I think I
Speaker 1: think he does understand how crucial this is. And that's
Speaker 1: why I think that scene was so powerful. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you know, that's the biggest scene of the episode. Is
Speaker 1: typically the scene before the last scene. I've noticed that
Speaker 1: repeatedly in Gilmore Girls, Like this is the dramatic scene,
Speaker 1: this is the crescendo, whatever we call it. But then
Speaker 1: we still have that moment where Lane and Roy are
Speaker 1: walking and Lane has the cute thirteen sweatshirt which really
Speaker 1: made me think of Taylor Swift. But uh, and Laura
Speaker 1: Lai walks up and notices the black hair. LAURAA starts
Speaker 1: to tell her about the p t A Moms and
Speaker 1: then it kind of fades out right. Why did they
Speaker 1: want to go to Alic's pancake oil? All about that
Speaker 1: was a little weird. Maybe it's because Laura la I
Speaker 1: didn't want her daughter to see Jess kissing Jane again.
Speaker 1: She's protecting her daughter from that. I don't know, because
Speaker 1: she doesn't know about all she does. She's sitting there right,
Speaker 1: and she doesn't. She's sitting there right, Laura. La doesn't
Speaker 1: know that Rory had a confrontation, but she sees that
Speaker 1: Jess is kissing this girl. She knows that she she
Speaker 1: senses there's something between those two. Obviously, she doesn't want
Speaker 1: it to happen. She doesn't like Okay, now that you're
Speaker 1: saying it. Obviously she saw Rory kind of when they
Speaker 1: were kissing in the diner, and she knows that Shane
Speaker 1: was in the closet, so could be right. I don't
Speaker 1: think it had anything to no, no, no, but I
Speaker 1: think Luke's Diner has become a little toxic for Rory.
Speaker 1: And let's go to als pancake roll and give my
Speaker 1: daughter a break, you know. Interesting being a good mom, right,
Speaker 1: being a good mom? There. Um, So that pretty much
Speaker 1: wraps it up. I look, this is back to back
Speaker 1: Daniel Palladino written episodes, and I just find them. I
Speaker 1: find his writing to be so pleasant, and I just
Speaker 1: really think he captures the spirit of what the show
Speaker 1: is at its best, lighthearted, fun, high paced and uh
Speaker 1: pointing at the end. And I just love how he
Speaker 1: sets everything up, you know, I agree, and he writes
Speaker 1: the funniest Yes, you know, isn't it interesting? It's so interesting?
Speaker 1: This this this Amy and Dan Palladino. Right, this, this couple,
Speaker 1: this writing couple. Here's the lead of their most successful
Speaker 1: show to date at that time, a girl who's a
Speaker 1: stand up comedian. You put her in this situation, right,
Speaker 1: She's basically a stand up comic. And then they make
Speaker 1: another show, Miselle, where the woman's a stand up comedian.
Speaker 1: So they they're writing to their strengths. They know what
Speaker 1: they're doing well, and how interesting. They've been married for
Speaker 1: so long and they've worked together and obviously it's going
Speaker 1: well and they're both brilliant writers, and uh yeah, good
Speaker 1: for them, Good for them. But I love, love, love
Speaker 1: the Dan Palladino episodes. They're filled with musical references, they're
Speaker 1: filled with the spirit. They're filled with rebellious characters fighting
Speaker 1: back in humorous ways and there it's just just wonderful stuff.
Speaker 1: What was what was your favorite lines? What was everybody's?
Speaker 1: Daniel Tara stop, I could go, So I'm going to
Speaker 1: give it to my girl Lane, And Lane says, I'll
Speaker 1: fix Bryan's deviated septum. I'll shove one of my sticks
Speaker 1: up his nose because I literally just kept laughing after
Speaker 1: she was holding her little drumsticks. That was just like,
Speaker 1: oh my god. UM. My favorite was also from Lane
Speaker 1: this episode, and it's when Rory's during her hair and
Speaker 1: she says, of course I don't exactly have what you
Speaker 1: and Dean have because you love Dean and Dean loves you.
Speaker 1: In my situation, I love Dave and Dave thinks that
Speaker 1: I have a decent sense of rhythm. I really like
Speaker 1: laurelized line. Uh once she flipped the card and tried
Speaker 1: to change stuffing. Now let's talk about late check out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I gotta give it to my boy Yannick Trusdale.
Speaker 1: That entire scene was genius. That was my favorite scene,
Speaker 1: but the second favorite, Laurela in the classroom was my
Speaker 1: favorite scene. I stay strong on This might have been
Speaker 1: one of my favorite fashion episodes too, Lanes fashion everything.
Speaker 1: I kind of glazed over it. But Scott Luke really
Speaker 1: dressed up and pulled himself together this episode with the
Speaker 1: button down and the hair. I was like, Okay, what
Speaker 1: can I Luke is all schnazzy today. Oh my god, wait,
Speaker 1: what's next week? What is next week. We've got eight
Speaker 1: o'clock at the Oasis, Episode five, Season three, eight o'clock
Speaker 1: at the Oasis. So anyway, Uh, thank you everybody. That
Speaker 1: was a fun discussion. I really enjoyed the episode. Um,
Speaker 1: and I thought we had some pretty interesting insights. Yeah, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm come on, that's mine. Anyway, thanks guys, and again,
Speaker 1: best fans on the planet. I appreciate the comments. Keep
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