1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: The volume. This is Prime Cuts, the best of the 2 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: Colin Coward Podcast. This week, some strong interviews. Steve Smith 3 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: Senior with his take on Julian Edelman's Hall of Fame 4 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: resume and as brutally on his take on how he 5 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: approaches relationships in the NFL. Drew Rosenhouse not only unbelievable stories, 6 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: but tells us how the college football landscape is about 7 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: to change in a big way. Finally, John Middlecoff full 8 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: of info, weighs in on the niners questionable plans to 9 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: draft Mac Jones. All right, I'm gonna bring on Steve 10 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: Smith Senior, fifteen years, five Pro Bowls. We'll talk to 11 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: some football. His appreciation for Julian Edelman interesting cat. Steve 12 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: Smith joins us, Listen, when I think of you, I 13 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: think you're a Hall of Famer, and what I think 14 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: about you and appreciate as you're tough and so. And 15 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: I made an argument for Edelman this week, and I said, listen, man, 16 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:06,400 Speaker 1: there's gotta be more than one way to the Hall 17 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 1: of Fame. I said, Jason Garrett has a higher winning 18 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:13,960 Speaker 1: percentence to Jimmy Johnson. Who's the better coach? And I said, 19 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: Sandy Kofax only had three great years, but he was 20 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: the best pitcher in the history of the game for 21 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: three years. Marionno Rivera only has eighty two wins, But 22 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:27,839 Speaker 1: the Yankees don't get a World Series with Joe Torry 23 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: if he doesn't pitch the last outs. And so I 24 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: look at Edelman and I say, Okay, his numbers don't 25 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: stack like Calvin Johnson. But when you played for the Patriot, Steve, 26 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: there are no junkyards because with seven minutes to go, 27 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: you lead and you're asked a block. You know, the 28 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: Atlanta receivers trail shit, it's done. But junkyards the last 29 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: seven minutes to nine, ten to twelve games a year. 30 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: So Edelman's toughness and ability to be great in big 31 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: games means a ton to me. I think, give you similarly, 32 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: you were better in big games. You were a physical presence. 33 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: You would block. That's my argument for Edelman. You know 34 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: there's guys in this league they are gonna make the 35 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, and you and I know they They 36 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: didn't like to block. They disappeared in big spots. You know, 37 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: they used to say that about basketball players. Some basketball 38 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: players hide from the ball with about three minutes left. 39 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: Lebron doesn't kobe that, but God that guys hide from 40 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 1: the ball. Now, Now, Edelman's numbers are not yours, They're 41 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: not great, But how do you look at Edelman as 42 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: a guy that played in this league at a high level, 43 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,519 Speaker 1: as a Pro Bowl or five times? You know, it's 44 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: it's funny you say it is because you know when 45 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 1: I when they asked me, or when guys like you 46 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: asked me, I am caught in the middle, which is 47 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 1: very rare for me. Usually I'm either over here over there. 48 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 1: I'm very I'm really in the middle, and I'm calling 49 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: the middle. Is because one spat the heck out of Edelman. 50 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: I love his game. I love what he does. He 51 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: goes in there. He's a technician. You know he has 52 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: benefited from where he played. But here's the problem. He 53 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: wasn't given that position. He earned it by working his 54 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: way through. He mastered his craft. He used to be 55 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: a quarterback. Not everybody can go from quarterback to wide receiver. 56 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: Now everybody can go from wide receiver to corner. Right 57 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: now everybody can play corner and be a successful wide receiver. 58 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: So with all that understanding his body of work, what 59 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: I really like about Edelman, which a lot of times 60 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: people don't want to really talk about, which is, you know, 61 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: we talk about some of these players in the league, 62 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: we talk about what they did in the playoffs, but 63 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: then they say, well, a guy didn't do that much 64 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: in the season. I agree, But then we talk about 65 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: guys who have had a fantastic regular season and unfortunately, 66 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: not to their fault or their detchman, they never got 67 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: an opportunity to playing the playoffs. But then what about 68 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 1: the guys who have played in the playoffs and didn't 69 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 1: show up right? And so when I look at Edelman, 70 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: I just look at him from what I know and 71 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: what I respect of wide receivers, and I respect them all. Now, 72 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 1: I don't agree all of them are great. I don't 73 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 1: believe all of them are Hall of famers. I don't 74 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: believe some of the whoevers are the top echelon that 75 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,119 Speaker 1: are on the laundry list of greats. I'm not gonna 76 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: say that this guy is better than that guy. But 77 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: there are some guys where I'm like, okay, right, because 78 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: I am supposed to respect my elders, and I shall 79 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: respect my elders. But then I also look at Alman, 80 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 1: I go. I love his numbers, and I love what 81 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: he did when it count them most. What you do 82 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 1: in a regular season just builds you up to when 83 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 1: you hit the playoffs and you in a groove. Edelman 84 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: was always that guy you can count them. You know 85 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: Carolina really well? Some days I do. I actually think 86 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: Darnald fits Matt ruland Brady Robbie Anderson. They want to 87 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: be more of a big play offense, throw it down 88 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: the field. Teddy's not a big arm guy. Sam's bigger, stronger, 89 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 1: more athletic. He's more of a risk taker. I think 90 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: it works to what level I don't know, but I 91 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 1: would argue I think Carolina's offensive talent outside of left 92 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 1: tackle it's pretty good. I think Dj Moore is a 93 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: pretty good player. So I mean you, I'm sure you 94 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 1: watched Carolina last year. Can they be viable? Can Darnald 95 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: fit quickly? Will will? It's at a system you can 96 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: learn quickly with Matt ruland Brady Well. What I love 97 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 1: about why I think it's a good fit is because, 98 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: let's be honest, people are like, man, I don't I 99 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: don't see it. I don't understand why you bring in 100 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 1: Sam Donald. That's stupid. The problem is is it fair 101 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: to evaluate a quarterback that's on the team, that's on 102 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: the team who is trying to get themselves together. The 103 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 1: young man has been under duress from day one. It's 104 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: not It's not fair to him, right. You know, quarterbacks 105 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: are one of these things. Quarterbacks when they when winning, 106 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:35,359 Speaker 1: quarterbacks get all the glory and when losing to a 107 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,359 Speaker 1: certain extent, you know, sometimes they want to place blame. 108 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 1: But but my blame is not the players. It's Look 109 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 1: how good Robbie Anderson has looked here in Carolina versus 110 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: what he looked like with the Jets. Look at I 111 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: want to see what Sam Donald can do when he 112 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 1: has time and not under dressed. We have never seen 113 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: a quarterback performed well under pressure under durest. Probably one 114 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: of the best young talents we got out here, and 115 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: we just saw him play in the Super Bowl where 116 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: he did not accumulate four hundred and ninety seven yards. 117 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: That's how many yards he ran around for his life 118 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: into super patrol Patrick Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes in losing, so 119 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: he did not accumulate four hundred ninety seven yards rushing. 120 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: Now that's how many yards. He ran around for his life, right, 121 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: and that says something. So if Patrick Mahomes is not 122 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: effective under Durest, why isn't it Sam Donald? Is he 123 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: gonna be effective under Durest? How are you gonna say, said, 124 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: go five step dropping three steps into your five step drop. 125 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: You're getting supplex and this is not wwe SmackDown you. 126 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: You've actually been really honest about ship. When you played you, 127 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: you said you struggled sometime with depression. Yeah, most guys 128 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: don't want to Most guys don't want to talk about that, 129 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: and so you had some personal battles. Um, and I 130 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: don't know if it's a it's a family history. I've 131 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: had people in my family that have struggled with that. 132 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: You would think you're great, good looking guy, smart, successful, Yeah, 133 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: you now that you're working out and looking a little fitter, 134 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: you can tell a handsomeness of me. I like. But 135 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: it's it's interesting because I wouldn't think. I mean, you 136 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: were always a guy that was just resilient, tough, making 137 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: catches pro bowls. When did you honestly Steve, was there 138 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 1: a moment for you, an epiphany when you're like, I 139 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 1: need to see a therapist. There's something something I can't. 140 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: I can't I can't get my arms around by myself. Well, 141 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: what happened was back in two thousand and three, I 142 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: was already I had already had a sports psychologist, a 143 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: guy who was working with golf players. And so I 144 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,719 Speaker 1: had a sports psychologist that I was working with. So 145 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: um visilation was always there. UM daily goals, monthly goals, 146 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: short term, long term, had all that stuff already mapped 147 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: out and and and went through that, had a whole routine. 148 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: UM look at looking at my film as data with 149 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: no emotions. Right, I had all that stuff and I 150 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: and it was built in me. But I struggled because 151 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: I was so geared towards data P and L profit 152 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 1: or loss was I created enough passive income for my 153 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: family by playing, so when I can when I'm done playing, 154 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: I can sit back and enjoy life. Right, So my 155 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: mind was always gone. I was either always on or 156 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 1: always off right and so and and just having that pressure. Right, 157 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 1: and so for me, what happened is I I didn't 158 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: know and didn't realize the pressure I was putting on myself. 159 00:09:55,360 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: It was causing me to not really enjoy the journey 160 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: because of my the way I was raised and what 161 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: I went through and what I experienced, right, and it's 162 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: something I just connected the dots with is by the 163 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: age of eighteen, I felt pretty insignificant. It was in me. 164 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: I felt already insignificant. So for me, playing ball was 165 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: me playing ball. I always wanted to play ball, but 166 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: outside of playing ball, I was always trying to figure 167 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 1: things out. Things didn't always equal up or make sense. So, 168 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: you know, I struggled with that. And then you add 169 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: not addressing it. You're playing ball, keep suppressing it, keep 170 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,719 Speaker 1: suppressing it. And I just struggled with it. And so 171 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: when I started doing counseling just not for when I 172 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: stopped doing counseling on in sports and I just started 173 00:10:56,120 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 1: doing counseling on figuring things out. I started going back Chris, 174 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: and I was going, oh, because I was always uptight, right, 175 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 1: And you know, I remember when I tore my achilles 176 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: in Baltimore, you know, and I'm and I'm on you know, 177 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: the medication from from from from the surgery. Man, I remember, 178 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 1: and I and I remember, and I was like and 179 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: I woke up like in the middle of the night, 180 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: and I remember saying, man, if I would have just 181 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: caught these passes. And you know when you have after surgery, 182 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: you're always kind of that medicine does some stuff to you, right, 183 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: And I remember I was able to recite when I 184 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: woke up middle nine. I was able to recite every 185 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: ball that I dropped. And if I didn't drop that ball, 186 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be playing right now. I would not be 187 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 1: playing right now. That means I would not have torn 188 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: my achilles, because I would have had those thousand receptions 189 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: you were just eating yourself up in the hospital room. 190 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: And if I would have got those styles of receptions, 191 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: I would have quit playing last year the year before. 192 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: And so then I wouldn't you know, you see what 193 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: I'm saying. And so I just went down the rabbit hole, 194 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: and the medication I was on it had me just 195 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: like I was like, I mean, if this is if 196 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: this is the memories, and I was just like I was. 197 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: I was in it. I mean waved out. I got 198 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: a dog. But and you ever seen a dog digging 199 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: in the dirt, That's where I was. I was digging 200 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: through the dirt and the mess, and I was getting 201 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: filthy inside my head, inside my heart of where I 202 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: was and I was just like, man, this this ain't good. 203 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: And so that's why when I stepped away. I stepped 204 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: away really my sixteenth year. I was like, man, I 205 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 1: didn't want to go play for another team. I didn't 206 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: want to keep, you know, being away this year. I'm 207 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: in Baltimore for three years and I go played two 208 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: years somewhere else and play maybe another year. And I 209 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: was like, man, decide what you're gonna do. And so 210 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: that's that's one of the reasons why. And that's and 211 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: that's what I was able to figure out. And so 212 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: it was like, you know, did I want to play, Yeah, 213 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: but wanting to play and understanding I needed to stop 214 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 1: playing that was more important. Yeah, do you miss it? 215 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:31,439 Speaker 1: Miss what? Just do you miss the camaraderie the dudes? 216 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: You know? Not really, because here's the thing. I made 217 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: myself unapproachable to where I had this guard up where 218 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: I didn't want friends because I didn't I was here 219 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: to do one thing, just play ball. I wouldn't here 220 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: to be if I wasn't here to be her friend. 221 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: Because when I turned it on on the light switch 222 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: and I played ball and go against defenders, I don't 223 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: give a fuck about your family. I don't care how 224 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,079 Speaker 1: your wife as kids are doing. I'm here to kick 225 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: your ass bottom. Yeah, and so having that, you know, 226 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: And then when I got to Baltimore, I realized, man, 227 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: just slow down a little bit. And so that's where 228 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: it wasn't. Baltimore was such a significantly better place. I 229 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: was in a better mind frame, justin for set. Great guy, 230 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: Anthony Levine, great guy, Thomas Davis, great guy, um Mike Tolber, 231 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: great guy. 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I would classify him as a super agent, 259 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: the founder of Rosenhouse Sports Representation more than thirty years 260 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: is a sports agent and he still looks good. Yeah. 261 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty nine, at the age of twenty two 262 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: years old, and I'll be honest, I was a little 263 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: bit of a cynic, good looking guy slick Miami, but 264 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: I kept talking to people and they're like, no, Drew's great. 265 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: Remember I had a conversation with Rich McKay one time. 266 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: He's like, he gets right to it. There's no bullshit. 267 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: Drew and I our conversations or eight to ten minutes. 268 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: I wish there were ten Drew rosenhouses. I am no 269 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: longer a cynic but a fan, and he's joining us now. 270 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: It is funny though, when you first came out, I 271 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: was like, boy, this guy, he's fast talking. Did you sense, Drew, 272 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: you were so different than the classic older model that 273 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: you a lot of people. You got some blowback? Did 274 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 1: you sense it? Oh? Yeah, you know. I intentionally try 275 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: to be different Colin. It was a very competitive business. 276 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: When I broke in in nineteen eighty eight, I was 277 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: twenty two years old. I was a second year law 278 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: student from Duke University School of Law, and it was 279 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 1: it was an established industry. It wasn't as balanced as 280 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: it is today. It was really dominated by a handful 281 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 1: of agents at that time, and I figured for me 282 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,719 Speaker 1: to make an aim for myself, I had to be different. 283 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:36,360 Speaker 1: In those days. I was certainly brash. I did use 284 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 1: the media to my advantage and it did make quite 285 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 1: a few enemies in the aging business. At one time 286 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 1: I was on the cover of Sports Illustrated known as 287 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: the most heeda man in pro football. But listen, that 288 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 1: was good for business and quite frankly, just being in 289 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 1: the eye of the media early on, established MEWS a 290 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,919 Speaker 1: known commodity, and being based here in South Florida, I 291 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: was able to really capitalize on all the terrific players 292 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: down here. Who was the first established agent that wasn't 293 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 1: an enemy that put his arm around you, that actually 294 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: reached out? And I probably took a while, but was 295 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: there one or two guys that reached out in the 296 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: first There were not a one that there still aren't any. 297 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 1: Just the guys who worked with me, my brother, Jason, 298 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: Robert Bailey, Ryan Math are the only agents that I 299 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 1: consider to be friends. This is such a hyper competitive business, 300 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: Colin that I probably have had a client leave all 301 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: the top agents to come to me, and I'd probably 302 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: have had a client that's left me to sign with 303 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 1: another of the top agents. It's just it's a war 304 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: zone out there. The recruiting is very cut throat, and 305 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 1: there really isn't much margin for friendship among your competitors. 306 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: It's really unique because there's no second place, there's nothing 307 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 1: for runner up. I mean, you know, you could beat 308 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 1: out one hundred agents and finished number two to get 309 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: a player, and that means absolutely fuckers. I mean, you know, 310 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 1: zero nothing. And I can tell you as a result 311 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 1: of that, it's a highly competitive business and you're out 312 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: to beat beat the competitive agents and you really don't 313 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 1: have time. It's not beneficial to be friendly with the 314 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: guys that you're competing with. Give me, give me an 315 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: incident since nineteen eighty nine in the draft, were your 316 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 1: phone rings right right before a pick? Has that ever happened? Oh? Yeah, 317 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 1: I mean with Willis mcgahey. He was a young man 318 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: who blew his knee out in the college national championship game, 319 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: the Fiesta Ball, against Ohio State, and he was on 320 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 1: the draft H and Colin. Quite quite frankly, there wasn't 321 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: a lot of calls for Willis in the early to 322 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 1: mid portion of the first round, and ESPN kept flashing him. 323 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 1: So I decided the next time they flashed him on TV, 324 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,439 Speaker 1: instead of him sitting there looking board waiting for the 325 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: phone to ring, I would call him. So it looked 326 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 1: like he was on the phone with team. So I 327 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: called from my cell phone. I called Willis. We're talking 328 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: to each other. Willis is on the phone. All of 329 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: a sudden, my call waiting goes through and it's it's 330 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills. And at that time, the Bills were 331 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: curious who Willis was talking to, and I wouldn't tell 332 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: them who he was talking to. I just said, you know, 333 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: use your imagination, and and they assumed it was another team, 334 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: and they decided that if he was on the phone 335 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 1: with another club, there was a good chance he was 336 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: going to be picked. And not long after I spoke 337 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: to them, they drafted Willis. So, believe it or not, 338 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: I think that it's something to do with them taking him. 339 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: You want to create the impression at all times that 340 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: your clients about to get selected. This is about to 341 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: blow up, though. We're about to go into a whole 342 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: new world in college football with agents and marketing people. 343 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: And it's called nil name, image, and likeness. In the 344 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: state of Florida, on July first, Florida passed the law 345 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 1: that college athletes can begin to enter into endorsement agreements 346 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 1: and have marketing deals based on their name, image and likeness. 347 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: So college players are gonna be able to make money. 348 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: They're going to be able to do deals with marketing agents. 349 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,199 Speaker 1: Agents like myself. We're going to be able to go 350 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: out and pture marketing deals for players. So this has 351 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:56,199 Speaker 1: been passed in Florida. The NCAA hasn't ruled on this 352 00:21:56,320 --> 00:22:00,120 Speaker 1: yet or they don't have a formal ruling, but it's 353 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 1: coming and it's coming soon, and it's going to change 354 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:07,439 Speaker 1: the whole dynamics of college football because it's inevitable that 355 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: college players are going to be able to make money 356 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: and deal with agents and have endorsement deals. So get 357 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:20,679 Speaker 1: ready college football and amateurism is going to become professional football. Well, 358 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: conservative governors tend to be more pro business. So Florida 359 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 1: to Santas, he's going to pass this, puppy California, Gavin Newsom, 360 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: you know, California just frankly, you know, as an attorney, 361 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 1: has more regulations all through our government. So we know 362 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: Florida is going to open it up. Where's Texas at, 363 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: where's California at on that stuff? Really, Florida and New 364 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: Mexico are the only states to my knowledge that have 365 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: formally passed the law, but there are quite a few 366 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: other states that I've heard that are on the verge 367 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: of doing the same. And I'm following this very closely 368 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 1: because when it is permissible, we're going to be, you know, 369 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: getting after. We're going to recruit all of the top 370 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 1: college players with marketing deals, and this is going to 371 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: be the way of the future. Every top college player 372 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 1: is going to be inundated, inundated with marketing opportunities from 373 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: agents like myself, and so colleges and universities are going 374 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 1: to have to deal with that. And you know, college 375 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: football is going to be very different moving forward, and 376 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 1: the colleges are going to have to embrace the NIL 377 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,360 Speaker 1: because they're gonna need to use it in recruiting. If 378 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: a program has alumni that can bring endorsement deals to players, 379 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: they're gonna get a lot more deals than for players. 380 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: And say a program that doesn't have a relationship with 381 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 1: alumni that have endorsement deals, it's really going to take off. Yeah, 382 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,439 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, if I'm Stanford and I know 383 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: that's not a football powerhouse, but hell, half their graduates 384 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 1: work at Apple and Google and you tap, I mean, seriously, 385 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: I think about that, and I think Apple has a 386 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 1: lot of pack twelve graduates inside their company, and I 387 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: would if I was Apple, I'd think, yeah, just go 388 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: go take care of Stanford players. I mean, would there 389 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: be anything outlawing that. Nope, not that I'm aware of. 390 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: And I mean, you look at the University of Central Florida. 391 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 1: You know what's on the back of the players jerseys. Now, 392 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,360 Speaker 1: it's not their names, it's their Twitter handle. It's their 393 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 1: Twitter name. And that's brilliant because that is the world 394 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 1: that we are about to enter. Get ready for college 395 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: football and their players to make money in. You know, 396 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 1: the top guys are going to make hundreds of thousands 397 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: of dollars in the best players are going to start 398 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: to really rack up the money in. Hey. I've been 399 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 1: an agent for thirty three years and I've said from 400 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: day one, college players should absolutely be able to make 401 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: money on endorsements, and that time has finally arrived and 402 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: it's going to be a isial in a matter of months. 403 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: Anybody ever break your heart, Just break your heart. You 404 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: lost a client? Oh yeah, many times I mentioned Michael Irvin. 405 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 1: Michael Irvin was the guy that helped me get started 406 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: this business, and I was his agent early in his career. 407 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: I was a very young agent and I was in 408 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: my early twenties and he was with the Dallas Cowboys 409 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: and he became a Pro Bowl player and he decided 410 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: to let his young agent go to hire a veteran 411 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: agent that was prominent in Dallas who could get him 412 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 1: a lot more contracts. And that was devastating for me. 413 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 1: I couldn't figure that out because you know, I've always 414 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: been about you know, your clients are your friends. There's 415 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:51,959 Speaker 1: that bond, like Jerry McGuire, and it was business for Michael, 416 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: and that broke my heart. But I grew up quite 417 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 1: a bit and realized that this is a business as well. 418 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,439 Speaker 1: But that was a tough one. Yeah, God, and you 419 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: were what twenty five, twenty six, yeah, exactly, very young 420 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:09,159 Speaker 1: in my career, never lost the client before that. I 421 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 1: didn't think it was possible that that was a shot 422 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: right to the groin. But you know, Michael Irvin was 423 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 1: always a great advocate for mine even after that, and 424 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: we've maintained a great relationship to this day and I'll 425 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 1: always be grateful for him. But Michael, if you're listening, 426 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 1: you broke my heart, buddy. What's tougher a girl breaking 427 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: up with your Michael Irvin. Well, that's a good one. 428 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: I would have to say Michael Irving because you know, 429 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: for me, I was a bachelor for a long time 430 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: growing up in Miami. I didn't get married till my 431 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:54,120 Speaker 1: mid forties, didn't have children until five years ago. So 432 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: I was a little bit of a playboy at the 433 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 1: University of Miami. So for girl broke up with me, 434 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: you could find another one. And he used a Pro 435 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: Bowl MVP wide receiver, so that was much tougher than 436 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: any girlfriend that broke up with me. Yeah, that bounced 437 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 1: back pretty quickly with the girls in my day. All right, 438 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: let's bring on my buddy, John Middlecoff, former NFL scout, 439 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: knows his ship. That's why I bring him on. So 440 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: I was told this weekend, and it is shocking I 441 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,719 Speaker 1: have said this. We got five quarterbacks that are going 442 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: in the first round. My prediction is the two that 443 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 1: will be successful Trevor Lawrence and whoever the Niners take. Yeah, 444 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: I've been told, and I was a denier they're taking 445 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 1: Mac Jones and it wouldn't be who I would take. 446 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: But I do think he will be somewhat successful because 447 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:51,679 Speaker 1: it's a perfect situation. Now do I think you know 448 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: the other guys could be more successful. Well, but we'll 449 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: never know, right. It's like you don't know the president 450 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: you don't elect. You don't know how it would have been, right, 451 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: better or worse, the girl you don't date. Whatever. Yeah, 452 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: you have no clue, right, Right, So I do think 453 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,880 Speaker 1: mac Jones because it's perfect, we'll have some success. I don't. 454 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 1: I don't see super Bowl success. But you're in the 455 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: Bay Area. A sour side trust now says it is 456 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 1: an eighty twenty mac Jones lead. Well, I just want 457 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,120 Speaker 1: to start with this. He is known as the guy 458 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: with the highest floor of that group of Trey Lance, 459 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,679 Speaker 1: of Justin Fields and mac Jones. There's no such thing 460 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 1: as a high floor for a quarterback prospect unless you're 461 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 1: like Andrew Luck maybe Trevor Lawrence. Right, the bus potential 462 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: on quarterbacks is really high because most of them, it 463 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: typically is intangible. Right, it's his work, ethic, his ability 464 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: to process, his its ability to handle the pressure, the 465 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 1: pressure that comes at being drafted number three. And then 466 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: on top of that, if you don't have great physical tools, 467 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: with Mac by far has the least physical the best 468 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: you know, if you just rank the physical skill set 469 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: of the top five guys, he's the bottom. I don't 470 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: think it's really close. I actually think Colin they're gonna 471 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: take Trey Lance. I talked to an NFL exec this 472 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 1: week who thought, when you watch Trey Lance and things 473 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,479 Speaker 1: he does well throw on the move, physically, what Kyle's 474 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: talked about our big high end athletes, if you had 475 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: your choice, He went on record a couple weeks ago 476 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: when they made the trade and said, if you could choose, 477 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: which we kind of can now, you ideally always take 478 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,239 Speaker 1: the bigger, faster, stronger guy. And if you look at 479 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 1: the guys on Kyle's teams even historically that they've had 480 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: success with Julio Jones, Trent Williams, who the Shanahan's draft 481 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: and then he brought back. Trent Williams is six foot six, 482 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: three hundred thirty pounds, runs like a running back, took 483 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 1: a year off, came back, made a Pro Bowl like 484 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: those are Kyle Shanahan is known for this. Kirk Kirk 485 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: Cousins was a fourth round pick. They just mortgage the 486 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 1: entire future pick twelve two other first rounders. That would 487 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: be like taking your entire life savings and then just 488 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: investing it into like a pretty safe etf right, Usually 489 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: when you take your entire life savings, you would take 490 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: a pretty big risk on something like It's to take 491 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: a pretty bold move if you're gonna take all the 492 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: money and make the move and let it instead of 493 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: just letting it sit there. Because I would say Mac 494 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: Jones every single year there are Mac Jones in the 495 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: second and third round, and if you've got Kyle Shanahan, 496 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 1: wouldn't you just use that value to do that? They 497 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: did try to do that three four years ago with CJ. Bethard, 498 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: a plug in play pro style quarterback from Iowa high 499 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: floor Colin. He was terrible. So to me, the more 500 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: I've talked just two different people in the league, if 501 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: you read what Kyle is actually and listen to what 502 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: Kyle's actually said, now that doesn't mean anything. At this 503 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: time of year, people lie to me. Trey Lance, high 504 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 1: character guy represented by Tom Condon, who represents the Mannings, 505 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: the Breezes, the Staffords, all the high level guys. Is 506 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: only twenty years old. Who is just this raw product? 507 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:46,479 Speaker 1: Do you have a lot to work with if you 508 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: are going to keep Jimmy, which again they might be lying, 509 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: But if they truly take them at their word, they 510 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: would keep him. Wouldn't Trey Lance be the guy that 511 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: you kind of work with, Keep behind Jimmy for a year, 512 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 1: see how it goes. He's only started a year. You 513 00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: don't know how he's gonna look. Because if you take 514 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 1: mac Jones, if they do that, which I definitely think 515 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: as a possibility, I think he has to start. You 516 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: can't take the highest four guy and then have him 517 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: sit for a year. What the hell are we doing right? 518 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: That guy would have to play immediately. If you take 519 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: mac Jones, if you take Trey Lance, you can justify 520 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: it to people. I think if you take mac Jones, 521 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 1: for everything Kyle has built around here and he has 522 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: a lot of equity. People think very very highly of him, 523 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: even though when you look, he's only had one successful season. 524 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: But if you watch him every week and last year 525 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: they won six games, he was fantastic. He was excellent. 526 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 1: Given how many injuries they had, how Jimmy disappeared for 527 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: all these games, I think he would lose a lot 528 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: of that at the moment he took mac Jones. Now, ultimately, 529 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 1: on draft night, nothing doesn't mean anything. You win games, 530 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: no one will care, but I think people would question. 531 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 1: I think it would be one of the most arrogant 532 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: picks in the history of the league. At The Volume Sports, 533 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: you can find us on Twitter or Instagram. Please rate, review, subscribe. 534 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: Love doing this, We're just starting. Check us out The 535 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:21,479 Speaker 1: Volume