Speaker 1: What is up, Mets fans, Welcome back to another episode
Speaker 1: of the Mets Stuff Podcast.
Speaker 2: Pretty terrible, serious against the Blue Jays.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is what's gonna happen the rest of
Speaker 1: the year, the twenty twenty six seasons over. It's shocking
Speaker 1: me that there's still people getting upset watching this team.
Speaker 1: I have fully gone into future mode right now. Everything
Speaker 1: our owners said in a podcast kind of told us
Speaker 1: that we should be thinking about the future. Everything our
Speaker 1: president baseball operations seems to tell us that we should
Speaker 1: be thinking about the future. So that's how I'm looking
Speaker 1: at it for the rest of the season. What are
Speaker 1: we looking at with these players? How are they doing?
Speaker 1: And there were some good there were some bad. There's,
Speaker 1: of course, things to talk about before we get going
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Speaker 1: here a little bit ten to fifteen minutes, not too
Speaker 1: much again, some crazy stuff going on, and I think
Speaker 1: we have to with how horrible Freddy Perolta was yet again.
Speaker 2: Miserable, dreadful. There's like not even enough superlosis right now.
Speaker 2: Describe how bad Freddy Perolta is. It's given me. Statistically,
Speaker 2: he's one of the worst pitchers in baseball. Is heras
Speaker 2: almost five again, not a huge era podcast when you
Speaker 2: look at that. To this point, he's been one of
Speaker 2: the least effective pitchers in baseball. And then you watch
Speaker 2: the start and you see the first three hitters of
Speaker 2: the game, reach and a run coming home where he
Speaker 2: has two of those hitters in the two strike situation,
Speaker 2: cannot put them away. He got, I think, afraid of
Speaker 2: his of his change up. He missed a change up
Speaker 2: to Nathan Lucas and then through six more pitches now
Speaker 2: that Bath that got fouled off, just missed. Didn't even
Speaker 2: mess around with another change up to him, couldn't put
Speaker 2: them away. Later in the horrible four run you know,
Speaker 2: Paraje and the third inning, all with two outs, mind you,
Speaker 2: he then missed a two strike curveball Nerdi Clement and
Speaker 2: then threw him a fastball on the zone. He just
Speaker 2: is a picture right now who is completely shattered confidence whatsoever.
Speaker 1: Can't believe how bad he continues to be, because unfathomable,
Speaker 1: I thought he got better after the last start. We
Speaker 1: saw the velo tick up again at times in this one,
Speaker 1: like he's throwing harder and yet it's not making any
Speaker 1: sort of difference. He just with two strikes, he completely
Speaker 1: chokes up with a guy with two outs in the inning.
Speaker 2: He can't get through it.
Speaker 1: Like every single opportunity where you would think as a pitcher,
Speaker 1: you're in the driver's seat, this is where you should
Speaker 1: be getting fat, this is where you should be salivating.
Speaker 1: Freddie Perultz seemingly crumbles every single time, And I just
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's ever gonna be a big
Speaker 1: game picture in a big market like he's supposed to.
Speaker 2: Be, And like that's that's probably a reductive way to
Speaker 2: look at this. But at the same time, you watch
Speaker 2: it and you're like, how is this real? How is
Speaker 2: this happening? But this also seems like it's been a
Speaker 2: problem with this whole Mets team. This year, Like right
Speaker 2: now live, I'm pulling up the the era of pitchers
Speaker 2: with two outs, which is that's something that our friend
Speaker 2: friend of the podcast, Matt Eddie put us onto as
Speaker 2: we're watching the game today. How bad Freddie's been with
Speaker 2: two outs? If I look at the highest Thera's a
Speaker 2: two athlete the boy again, reductive way to go about this.
Speaker 2: But right at the top I see David Peterson, Tobias
Speaker 2: Myers both inside the top ten, and if you ask
Speaker 2: me that, Christian Scott also is in the top thirty.
Speaker 2: So if you would have asked me that, I'd been like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that actually that kind of feels like it's antotally uh,
Speaker 2: what's it supported in my mind? Now, I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: quick name sarch Freddy. It's gonna be way higher after this.
Speaker 2: But Freddy Pralta has nearly a five er with two outs.
Speaker 2: That's so fathomable, there's just no way, and that it
Speaker 2: only comes with two twenty six batting average, but that's
Speaker 2: with a three fifty on base percentage. That's how he
Speaker 2: goes walks and nibbles with two outs. And this is
Speaker 2: gonna be worse, much worse after today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he just can't seem to stop the bleeding,
Speaker 1: even though there was no bleeding until there was.
Speaker 2: It's just a complete mess.
Speaker 1: And I feel like the worst part about this is
Speaker 1: I think anybody around the league telling you that his
Speaker 1: trade value hasn't gone down is lying to you one
Speaker 1: hundred percent. If you're a team around the league watching
Speaker 1: him pitch, this is not the Freddie Perlta that we
Speaker 1: saw coming into the season. This is not the Freddie
Speaker 1: Perlta you could have even expected for a little bit.
Speaker 1: This has been the worst version of him that he's
Speaker 1: been basically since he was a rookie. I don't know
Speaker 1: what his trade value is gonna look like right now,
Speaker 1: just because this is not a playoff pitcher for a
Speaker 1: team that's competing for for a championship down the line,
Speaker 1: it probably isn't.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, like last with three last year,
Speaker 2: Shane Bieber got a boider Line top hundred prospect, and
Speaker 2: he was he hadn't pitched in a year, and the
Speaker 2: last time he pitched he wasn't even good. He was
Speaker 2: going through a massive minor league rehab stint. I think
Speaker 2: that's something I think if teams are looking at Freddy Prawlton.
Speaker 2: They're going to look at the forensics of Fredday Pralton.
Speaker 2: How can we fix And one of the most worrisome
Speaker 2: things is how much shorter Freddy Pewlt's extension is this year.
Speaker 2: He's lost like a quarter of a corler for the extension.
Speaker 2: That that's a ton, that's something that kind of always
Speaker 2: made him great. And at the same time a lot
Speaker 2: to his arm slot is way down. And then we've
Speaker 2: seen these big velocity gradients. Then you have the slight
Speaker 2: worry about injury. That's the thing that could really be
Speaker 2: detrimental to his trade value. I'm not exactly. Again, last year,
Speaker 2: starting pitching market, it didn't it didn't matter as long
Speaker 2: as you have a heartbeat, a pulse and you could
Speaker 2: throw a pitch, not even tomorrow, as long as you
Speaker 2: could throw a pitch. By the postseason a team wanted
Speaker 2: because that's the Shane Bieber, Merrill Kelly. That was it.
Speaker 2: So I think he still does have tremendous trade value.
Speaker 2: I agree that's less, but I would not say it's none.
Speaker 1: I mean it's probably a borderline top one hundred guy.
Speaker 1: That's probably the max right.
Speaker 2: Probably, yeah, maybe a little better than that. Boilerl and
Speaker 2: top hundred guy and a lot of re ticket maybe guy, yeah,
Speaker 2: someone in the eighties and a lot of re ticket.
Speaker 1: I feel like if you're the Mets, you're hoping that
Speaker 1: he has a good start on his next one and
Speaker 1: you try to ship him out as soon as you
Speaker 1: possibly can.
Speaker 2: Just any any way, we can get Pedro Ramirez off
Speaker 2: the cups. That's the only that's the guys. The guy
Speaker 2: by far I want the most in all baseball that
Speaker 2: seems to make a little bit, and they're desperate. They
Speaker 2: just gave us a second round pick for David Peterson.
Speaker 2: Come on, that's a good point. That's a good point.
Speaker 2: Let's keep him moving. Think about positive think about that
Speaker 2: curve for a second. But again, like it's just it feels.
Speaker 2: I mean, those physical things I just mentioned, those are real.
Speaker 2: The major philosophy bands peaked in this game ninety nine
Speaker 2: miles per hour. Yes, fastball men was ninety one point nine.
Speaker 2: Can't have this and he can throw a slyther And
Speaker 2: this wasn't the heaviest left handed lineup by the Blue
Speaker 2: Jays either. I think maybe sometimes the curveball in the
Speaker 2: slider tagging gets a little mixed up but that was
Speaker 2: Faddy's bread and butter for a very long time, and
Speaker 2: the fact that it's just completely disappeared is not It
Speaker 2: just doesn't make me feel nice.
Speaker 1: No, it's concerning to see him pitch this poorly, but
Speaker 1: it's not gonna pitch for us very much longer, so
Speaker 1: I guess it doesn't really matter or how poorly he pitches.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I'm looking at some of these other two. I
Speaker 2: can't wait till this updates tomorrow and I could check
Speaker 2: this out. But these other two strike stats highest era
Speaker 2: in baseball with two strikes. Tryang, guess the pitcher and
Speaker 2: the number. The pitcher and the number. Shure, I'm out there.
Speaker 2: Give me Jake Irvin and eight three eight three this
Speaker 2: is with this with two strikes. Don't you remember the
Speaker 2: Fullish baseball any with two strikes? I thought you said
Speaker 2: two outs, No, two strikes strikes? Okay, so who can't
Speaker 2: strike anybody out? I don't know.
Speaker 1: Still give me Jake Irvin and give me a His
Speaker 1: era is a three nine.
Speaker 2: Jake Irvan actually is slightly better than average. Again, okay, dump, Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's actually in between Christian Scott and Spencer Miles with
Speaker 2: the Metchasattes, Spencer Miles look nice. Yeah, Chrismiles has a
Speaker 2: little bit of stuff. It is Andrew Painter sense, but
Speaker 2: it's only one seven eight two strikes are pretty amazing, Spier.
Speaker 2: But somehow Hyter's have a three to twelve on base
Speaker 2: percentage against Andrew Painter with two strikes and sometimes not Freddy.
Speaker 2: Somehow it's not even the worst in the league, Freddie's
Speaker 2: Freddy's is either again, it'll be worse after we get
Speaker 2: these updates. Freddie before the game, it's a one eighty two,
Speaker 2: two fifty five three eighteen triple slash with a one
Speaker 2: point five ERA with two strikes, and those are all
Speaker 2: Those are all bad, but they're not like the worst
Speaker 2: in the league. And d way fangref sets this up
Speaker 2: as the minimum of twenty pitches twenty innings. That's not bad. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's fine. Again, it is bad, but yeah, it's bad.
Speaker 2: It's just bad. It doesn't actually really matter.
Speaker 1: And then uh CNL prez giving up a home run
Speaker 1: to Miles Straw was really like, make me follow my
Speaker 1: knees moment.
Speaker 2: How do you give up a home run? How does
Speaker 2: he have three home runs? Miles Straw milestrows swinging a
Speaker 2: little bit. That was also because, like I think Joe
Speaker 2: Gerber had like either it was either hangnail or a
Speaker 2: blister and he had to come out like like two
Speaker 2: pitches into the inning. The whole thing is just Also
Speaker 2: Joey Gerber had been like encouraging me slightly lately. I'd
Speaker 2: like his color and then he gets He's like, oh,
Speaker 2: finger gotta come out of game. As I began to
Speaker 2: listen to the show with John Hayman and Joe Sherman,
Speaker 2: I was really starting to get into that. It's a
Speaker 2: big talking point. This series just sucks. It's just what
Speaker 2: bad teams do. You go into Toronto a team that
Speaker 2: lost six games in row at home and you lose
Speaker 2: the series. The door swinging it, well, of course he's
Speaker 2: gonna be fine, like he's got and I wound up
Speaker 2: being fine. Boba sheet is going to one. Oh we
Speaker 2: talk about Boba Schev for a second. The crying. Yes,
Speaker 2: I hated it. I definitely also hated it. I have
Speaker 2: like a Eric Chavez take here, like a real, real
Speaker 2: Eric Chavas take.
Speaker 1: That was real, fucking like soft loser shit. I can't
Speaker 1: handle that.
Speaker 2: That was openly a player who hates being here realized
Speaker 2: they made a mistake.
Speaker 1: Yeah, big time realized they made a mistake, and how
Speaker 1: good he had it? Like I think it's also it's
Speaker 1: really nice of your Blue Jays Fantasy Boba sheet react
Speaker 1: like that, like damn, he really loved playing here as
Speaker 1: a Met fan. It's like, oh, kind of fuck you
Speaker 1: a little bit.
Speaker 2: So this whole season doesn't exist to me as well,
Speaker 2: I guess, But we also don't even know what the
Speaker 2: pretext was. Did Bo even get off of the contract
Speaker 2: by the Blue Jays? What that contract even looked like?
Speaker 2: It kind of seemed like they made have motivated to
Speaker 2: move on. Also, it was nice to see like him
Speaker 2: interact with the old teammates, like Flatty was like they
Speaker 2: take take your helmet off, give a curtain call. And
Speaker 2: then even the second game of this series, I've never
Speaker 2: ever seen back to back days there be curtain calls
Speaker 2: for a visiting player where Kevin goswin series. He did again,
Speaker 2: I think they give him a lot of credit for that,
Speaker 2: And I also think that's where most of the crying
Speaker 2: came from. Honestly, probably I think being like the last
Speaker 2: time I played the baseball game on this field. It
Speaker 2: was the worst moment of my life, best and worst. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he had the home run off show was probably the
Speaker 2: peak of Bobachhet's entire career. And then again, nothing that
Speaker 2: he did to stop that game. But there was some
Speaker 2: you know, bulky knees coming around third base. He could
Speaker 2: the whole Crazy World Series hit. Absolutely hated it too.
Speaker 2: It sent it to you use some different words. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but it's because it's just like there's a player who
Speaker 2: you can't see. And again, I don't think this is
Speaker 2: bleeding into his play. He's been one of the most
Speaker 2: productive players in baseball for thirty days now, and he's
Speaker 2: playing great defense at third base, had a great series
Speaker 2: defensively here, He's gonna wind up having fine stats by
Speaker 2: the end of the season. So it's just he seems
Speaker 2: like he may be wishing that his home was still
Speaker 2: somewhere else. Is he opting out at the end of
Speaker 2: the year. I think, honestly, maybe, I think he is.
Speaker 2: I'm very much leaning. I'm seventy five percent. Yes, I'm
Speaker 2: starting to push there mentally too, just because the way
Speaker 2: he's playing third base, he looks like he could. It
Speaker 2: looks like if you squint, he's a plus defensive third basement,
Speaker 2: which is amazing if we would have said that early
Speaker 2: in the season and had this all wound up. But
Speaker 2: unlike Freddy, I feel like that was the biggest question
Speaker 2: mark coming into the season for Bows.
Speaker 1: Could he play another position. He's shown that he can
Speaker 1: play third base completely fine, and I think people don't
Speaker 1: think the hitting is as sticky as his defense is sticky.
Speaker 1: So a down year offensive maybe cost him a couple
Speaker 1: of million dollars a year, but I don't think it
Speaker 1: changes the market.
Speaker 2: If anything, it's going to be better than it was.
Speaker 2: Because he can't play third and a down year offensively,
Speaker 2: I feel like by the end of the season we're
Speaker 2: looking at like a two seventy three twenty you know,
Speaker 2: seven to sixty Yeah, seven sixty ops kind of slash line.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to do Matt there and it just wasn't
Speaker 2: working in my brain as a plus third basement like that,
Speaker 2: the David Searn's vision of him being like a three
Speaker 2: to five win player is going to wind up being
Speaker 2: totally true. If it's just a best suck. If we
Speaker 2: got good Bobaschett in the first quartery of the season
Speaker 2: and good Freddy Pearl to the next quartery of the season,
Speaker 2: this team again will be near five hundred. But those
Speaker 2: things did not happen.
Speaker 1: No, they can't match up at the same time. Other
Speaker 1: thing to talk about from the games too, just bigger conversation.
Speaker 1: The Wan Soda defensive play almost immediately after we mentioned,
Speaker 1: oh he hasn't been that bad in the outfield, the
Speaker 1: wan so defensive play, and then a j Ewing doing
Speaker 1: his best to try and save the day, just kicking
Speaker 1: the ball, like, yeah, that's.
Speaker 2: You want to assessment. As Michael confordo flashbacks, I've never
Speaker 2: seen this. This is gonna be Tim Kirschen for a second.
Speaker 2: I've never seen a thirty six year old inside the
Speaker 2: park home run where when they crossed home plate the
Speaker 2: ball was still in the outfield.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was crazy how not even close to the
Speaker 1: Mets were to getting George Springer who looked like he
Speaker 1: was going to pass out after he turned first base.
Speaker 2: And the worst part is you'd lose because of that run,
Speaker 2: Like it felt like it was going to be a
Speaker 2: game where you got run out of the ballpark and
Speaker 2: you literally lost because of that play. Yeah, No, it
Speaker 2: was that one hurt and then the Lindor error freaking
Speaker 2: out with Andy Green thoughts opinions on that real quick,
Speaker 2: because again when we talk about the show, I guess
Speaker 2: we will talk about Lindor and Soto a little bit
Speaker 2: more because we have to because it was addressed by
Speaker 2: the team owner. Again. But yeah, we had some conversations
Speaker 2: off air about that, and like talking to some people
Speaker 2: who kind of have more been in those situations about
Speaker 2: the competition. Yeah, kind of costing your teammate and opportunity
Speaker 2: to get through an inning, and that's basically what then
Speaker 2: door data sham and I there it was probably more
Speaker 2: and not it didn't manifest itself in the right way,
Speaker 2: but much more frustration seemed like with Francisco Inndoor himself.
Speaker 2: Then yes, the decision being made, but it did come
Speaker 2: off as being a bit insubordinate and a little bit braddy.
Speaker 1: I also think that, yeah, Lindor has to do a
Speaker 1: better job of keeping his emotions in check there, and
Speaker 1: we have seen him every once in a while, especially
Speaker 1: when things are not going well for the team and himself,
Speaker 1: he will have these like little bursts. We saw it
Speaker 1: early in the season in twenty twenty four when he
Speaker 1: argued with an umpire, which we'd never seen before, went.
Speaker 2: Ballistics, slammed the glve on the ground, just slam the
Speaker 2: glove on the ground.
Speaker 1: We've seen him scream at Jeff manhal like, there definitely
Speaker 1: are moments where the bursts come out. Could have handled
Speaker 1: it better, But I do think very much obviously like
Speaker 1: knowing the context of what was going on, that was
Speaker 1: not angry at Andy Green.
Speaker 2: That was more like, please let him finish. It was
Speaker 2: my fault, not his. Yes, and again didn't manifest in
Speaker 2: the right way, but came from the right place.
Speaker 1: Which is now gonna lead into talk talking about the
Speaker 1: show by Joel Sherman and John Hayman.
Speaker 2: No live watch path of this one. This time. I
Speaker 2: feel like some of the people were like, oh, can
Speaker 2: you guys do this more often? Hard to Again, I
Speaker 2: think we'll get back to the games. I still want
Speaker 2: to talk about Nolan McLain a little bit, and then
Speaker 2: sure I do eventually want to talk about that ninth
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Speaker 2: Everything that I mean, the show is the show. It's
Speaker 2: John Hym and Joel Sherman, and that had Steve coming
Speaker 2: on and one. I even think the concept of that
Speaker 2: is fascinating in this whole context because two years ago,
Speaker 2: when the mess determined ad sellers, Steve Cohen called a
Speaker 2: massive press conference add to the field and late Jalloon
Speaker 2: j Jaloon jellon late June July afternoon. I remember it
Speaker 2: was also hot of shit like it is outside right
Speaker 2: now in New York. But this is a little different.
Speaker 2: I even remember I think Brad Marshad, who does a
Speaker 2: lot of them of sports media work for the Athletics,
Speaker 2: said this, like I remember this kind of interview and
Speaker 2: we just saw it during all the nick shit, like
Speaker 2: an owner sitting down at w f an. This is
Speaker 2: the Steve Cohen going on a podcast. Kind of fascinating
Speaker 2: even just play on this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and with reporters who are gonna they're gonna ask
Speaker 1: some questions, and I was I was shocked at how
Speaker 1: much Steve Cohen said and answered, and I didn't particularly
Speaker 1: love that he answered some of them so candidly.
Speaker 2: I also loved the way that Joel Shre and then
Speaker 2: John Hayman went about it. They didn't they didn't hold
Speaker 2: back any punches. Again, I don't know, maybe something about
Speaker 2: being in that room, but like those guys were pretty
Speaker 2: critical of a lot of stuff, but they all just
Speaker 2: everyone just love Mendoza so much, Like they couldn't real
Speaker 2: ask him. Was something about Carlos Mendoza. They just couldn't
Speaker 2: ask him tough questions.
Speaker 1: I think he's just I think he genuinely such a nice,
Speaker 1: nice guy and you could tell that, like he was
Speaker 1: eating away at him. And you even heard Steve Cohen
Speaker 1: talk about that. Part of the reason why him and
Speaker 1: David Stearns decided to move on form Mendoza was because
Speaker 1: they weren't going to extend him at the end of
Speaker 1: the year. There they made the decisions not coming back,
Speaker 1: and I think Steve Cohen said, let's just give this
Speaker 1: guy a break.
Speaker 2: Oh he called it a mercy shot. Yeah, Like, and
Speaker 2: we kept saying those were in this podcast.
Speaker 1: We said, we're like, just let him go. At this point,
Speaker 1: why is he still here? I flung back in my
Speaker 1: chair when he said that. I just couldn't believe it.
Speaker 2: But Also it does make sense by never expect the
Speaker 2: owner of your favorite baseball team to be that just
Speaker 2: forthright with words.
Speaker 1: No, it was like, you're not coming back, and you
Speaker 1: look miserable. We're doing this because it actually might make
Speaker 1: you have a better life. A mercy shows would you
Speaker 1: use to describe a horse that broke its leg?
Speaker 2: Yeah, like that's a glue. It's so horrible to say
Speaker 2: about the guy. But again it makes sense for me
Speaker 2: to do it. But I also thought there was a
Speaker 2: cool moment. Again it was gonna grab little pieces of
Speaker 2: this that with all were interesting. He talked about specifically
Speaker 2: being a hands off guy, not wanting to be an
Speaker 2: evasive owner, seeing that owners and other sports Baseball so
Speaker 2: other sports whatever, jumping a little too much into things
Speaker 2: and holding the h their teams back over the years.
Speaker 2: But then he said, with the team playing so poorly
Speaker 2: this year and then not expecting it to be this bad,
Speaker 2: he basically hinted that there's going to be some kind
Speaker 2: of serious internal audit, and then Joel asked him a
Speaker 2: ri the real around, like what does that mean? Are
Speaker 2: you doing this? Are you hiring an outside firm? And
Speaker 2: then was like, I'm just gonna have my people do it,
Speaker 2: We're gonna handle it, Which is that all that's that's
Speaker 2: kind of a gray line for Steve because he says
Speaker 2: my people he has another massive business that he runs. Yes,
Speaker 2: like are we sicking the quantity? Yeah? On all this stuff.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of the conversation was weird, like even
Speaker 1: how candid he was about the organizational failures that he had,
Speaker 1: but then also giving David Stearns the vote of confidence
Speaker 1: that he will finish his five years. And I do
Speaker 1: believe that no matter what, David Stearns is going to
Speaker 1: finish the five years. I actually don't think that there's
Speaker 1: gonna be a world where he fires him, especially when
Speaker 1: the Mets have openly said they're worried about optics, and
Speaker 1: now you have the owners saying you're not going to
Speaker 1: fire him. Would be a bad look if you did
Speaker 1: after publicly saying.
Speaker 2: You won't be. And Cohen mentioned that specifically because later
Speaker 2: on again Joel pushed back and like they were like, really,
Speaker 2: like is that what you meant? He's getting the full
Speaker 2: five years? And then Steve went on the whole thing
Speaker 2: about all the blame he's getting right now, he needs
Speaker 2: to get credit for twenty four. He's like I talked
Speaker 2: to David every day he can. He did a lot
Speaker 2: of comments about process, which we'll get to in a second,
Speaker 2: but he talks pifically about He said, the burning churns
Speaker 2: a terrible place to be and we did that for
Speaker 2: a lot of years. And these are the kind of
Speaker 2: things that have been trickling out a little bit from
Speaker 2: people who are involved with the team but not involved
Speaker 2: with the team, that this is not something the team likes,
Speaker 2: that it's their view, And then Steve said specifically, then
Speaker 2: next time, nobody wants to come. Yeah. But then he
Speaker 2: said the opposite later about the manager, where he said,
Speaker 2: I wrote down specifical lookus, I want to get his
Speaker 2: words there. Where is it?
Speaker 1: I mean, the Mets have already publicly had a lot
Speaker 1: of people throw their hat in the ring, and Alex
Speaker 1: Kora seemed to also kind of also throwing out his
Speaker 1: name is like I'd come coach the Mets.
Speaker 2: He basically was like, yeah, tons of people are going
Speaker 2: to want to get this job. So but that is
Speaker 2: something about where baseball is where and this this ties
Speaker 2: into all this sudden anse with their job. That stuff too,
Speaker 2: where it's like, yeah, I can find a manager, but
Speaker 2: the president Baseball Operations who I actually trust and like
Speaker 2: the process. And again he talked about finance things like
Speaker 2: how variants can affect things when you have good process,
Speaker 2: and he likes the process better than the results. He
Speaker 2: specifically mentioned the Mets record in one run games as
Speaker 2: the fact that we have the worst, the Phillies have
Speaker 2: the best. Look how different seasons have gone just because
Speaker 2: of something that the data would tell you was partially random.
Speaker 2: But then you also mentioned the fact that when the
Speaker 2: games on the line, our guys are not performing, maybe
Speaker 2: they get anxious just a little bit. It seems like
Speaker 2: he said that specifically.
Speaker 1: And what's so funny is that normally when you hear
Speaker 1: that said about one run games, it automatically goes to
Speaker 1: the bullpen. Not the bullpen's falls awesome, it's all the offense.
Speaker 1: The bats are simply not showing up whenever the game
Speaker 1: gets close.
Speaker 2: And that also could tie into this thing we've talked
Speaker 2: about a lot over the last year where it's like,
Speaker 2: how are you gonna know if someone's ready for New York?
Speaker 2: Like Steve talking about these guys being human beings, they're
Speaker 2: being more pressure in New York coming to New York. Mather,
Speaker 2: It's a real thing, and it's a difficult thing to track,
Speaker 2: especially said when these guys come on big money, short
Speaker 2: term deals. He's like maybe he mentioned like something offhand
Speaker 2: about maybe playing into their projections that they have to
Speaker 2: like lop off like the first half of like the
Speaker 2: first season of some of these contracts production wise.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we saw it with Lindor, we saw
Speaker 1: it with Sodo, We've seen it with Carlos spell Troun.
Speaker 1: You saw it with Mike Piazza, like throughout the history. Yeah,
Speaker 1: throughout the history of New York big contracts. I mean,
Speaker 1: didn't even a Rod start off slow with the Yankees
Speaker 1: at first, Like, wasn't it Like, I mean, you're still incredible,
Speaker 1: but like it was a little bit slow where people
Speaker 1: didn't love him at the start. I think that there's
Speaker 1: definitely an adjustment period. And when we spoke to Carlos
Speaker 1: Peltron all those years ago and talked about his first
Speaker 1: season in New York, he said that there's an unbelieved
Speaker 1: amount of pressure and also feels like an obligation to
Speaker 1: be involved so much because there's so much going on.
Speaker 2: All the time. Yes, and there's no way to really
Speaker 2: prepare somebody for that, because there's no real other media
Speaker 2: market like this, even I mean Boston Philly incredibly copparable,
Speaker 2: but I still think they are like just ninety percent
Speaker 2: of what this is in terms of like I feel
Speaker 2: like the sheer amount of even just reporters that could
Speaker 2: be at your locker after every game. There is nobody
Speaker 2: even close to New York. The Dodgers are close now
Speaker 2: because of Otani and the Japan thing and all that,
Speaker 2: but like, but when Kyle Tucker signs that contract, the
Speaker 2: reporters don't care about him. Of course, not absolutely not,
Speaker 2: but he's still struggling his deal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's playing like absolute shit right now. So like
Speaker 1: there's there is no place like New York. And especially
Speaker 1: when the Yankees are always really good, there's no place
Speaker 1: like the New York Mets, because as soon as there's
Speaker 1: even just an inkling of doom, gloom or turmoil, it's
Speaker 1: just jumped down your throats. There feels like there might
Speaker 1: be more reporters at Met games daily than sometimes Yankee games.
Speaker 2: I feel like based on just the reporters weekend name,
Speaker 2: there's probably seventeen and there every single day.
Speaker 1: I don't particularly know a lot of Yankee beat writers,
Speaker 1: and that's that's one of the most popular teams in baseball.
Speaker 2: Things are good over there. It's also because we don't
Speaker 2: have to, Yeah, but we also were.
Speaker 1: Kind of locked into like everything that's going on in
Speaker 1: the league. It's not as much as the Mets, but.
Speaker 2: Kind of like besides the guys who write for the Athletic,
Speaker 2: because that's what I read like, it's hard for I
Speaker 2: don't know who does to cover his Yankees for the Post.
Speaker 2: I don't like Brett, I haven't. I mean, Gary Phillips,
Speaker 2: Bob Klapfish legends they'll be there Foreverman and Hayman of course,
Speaker 2: but but those are our guys. Those got I mean,
Speaker 2: those guys can't get away from this team. That's what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. Something else that was fascinating about this I
Speaker 2: think as kind of nice. I don't know other people
Speaker 2: are gonna think about this, but how comfortable these guys
Speaker 2: seem talking to Steve Cohen, And I think that's something
Speaker 2: that's missed on US fans, which they led the show with,
Speaker 2: that people like Steve has to address us he's hiding.
Speaker 2: They're like, you don't hide it They're like, you're at
Speaker 2: every game, like we see you, we talk to you
Speaker 2: all the time. They're like, the damon doozy got fired,
Speaker 2: you were talking to us like off the record right there,
Speaker 2: like on the on the dirt during batting practice.
Speaker 1: Well, the problem is, I think he went he hid
Speaker 1: from the public. I don't think he hid from the
Speaker 1: reporters and stuff like that, which trends. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: he does like talking to the New York Post. I
Speaker 1: think he reads that pretty religiously.
Speaker 2: It seems like he does love the New York Post.
Speaker 2: But I think that that's a very interesting relationship for
Speaker 2: US fans to see from the outside. And then when
Speaker 2: you have this big expose tell all seemingly un like
Speaker 2: not like I'm sure just because of who Steve Cohen is.
Speaker 2: He had to have gotten these questions before, and he
Speaker 2: had to there's no way, but like it did feel
Speaker 2: very casual, like three It's like this felt like three
Speaker 2: dudes in their twilight years kicking it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just hanging out. And it just happened to have
Speaker 1: a camera on, which is rare for Sherman and uh Hayman.
Speaker 2: And they they podcast Maugust because they have their video
Speaker 2: on Spotify. Damn, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we are getting podcast mocked by a bunch of
Speaker 1: seventy year olds, major pocket.
Speaker 2: I mean they ask great questions. I also think I
Speaker 2: again did some report. They do great reporting when they
Speaker 2: report the fact that they needled in a little bit
Speaker 2: on the Lindor so the thing and it got to
Speaker 2: a spot where it seemed to agitate Cohen enough where
Speaker 2: he accidentally said one of the worst possible things he
Speaker 2: ever could have said. He hated that. And just in
Speaker 2: case you guys again didn't tune into the entire fifty
Speaker 2: one minutes of the show, But I would recommend, I
Speaker 2: rarely recommend a different podcast on this show. I think
Speaker 2: everybody should a stamp of approval. Bang shout, stamp of approval.
Speaker 2: There was so much good stuff on this, Like Steve,
Speaker 2: I mean, we'll get to Lindor stuff in a second,
Speaker 2: he said. He said he still follows peating him on
Speaker 2: the box score every day. I believe it. He likes
Speaker 2: some of most people. He just didn't sign him and
Speaker 2: all specifically is like people killing those decisions. Let's let
Speaker 2: the time go and see how they should be evaluated.
Speaker 2: He say a lot more day than information.
Speaker 1: He also talked a lot about how they didn't they
Speaker 1: still don't feel like they have the organizational mobility because
Speaker 1: of long term contracts that they want to get off of,
Speaker 1: and also because of the minor league's younger have underperformed
Speaker 1: or been injured this year, which was something that you say,
Speaker 1: He's quite disappointed in it.
Speaker 2: He says, specifically our minor leagues have regressed. But then
Speaker 2: he also gave the credit to how many young players
Speaker 2: are on this roster and are performing well, which I
Speaker 2: think that is a piece of this too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people are like really playing up the MLB pipeline
Speaker 1: thing that the Mets only had Jonahtang on there and
Speaker 1: nobody else. We did graduate a bunch of dudes like
Speaker 1: right now, Yeah, and like think about I'll pull up
Speaker 1: our roster resource for a second just.
Speaker 2: Because of this. And again also people will pull up
Speaker 2: that our average age, I be this small reference is
Speaker 2: one of the highest in the league. But at the
Speaker 2: same time, like Nolan McLain, AJW and Carson Bench are
Speaker 2: like disgusting building blocks and one so though we will
Speaker 2: only be twenty eight when next season begins. Yes, whatever
Speaker 2: you want to say about Francisco Alvarez there's lots of
Speaker 2: teams in Major League Baseball that would take him if
Speaker 2: you gave him away, in which case we're not going
Speaker 2: to give him away. Should I think we're really starting
Speaker 2: actually get close to the point where an extension actually
Speaker 2: will come into focus for Francisco Avaraus, which would be
Speaker 2: so funny how that's taken in by fans. But he's
Speaker 2: not even twenty five, So those not even twenty eight.
Speaker 2: Benj is twenty three, is twenty one. He's hearing twenty
Speaker 2: two next month. Yep. And again, not gonna talk about
Speaker 2: the other young guys there, but no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: McLain and Christian Scott are both going to be in
Speaker 2: this rotation for a very long time. And again I
Speaker 2: would like more young talent, yes, but that is a
Speaker 2: good chunk of young talent twenty eight years old under
Speaker 2: on the major league roster. There's a there's a core
Speaker 2: being built there. Yeah, it's relative core being built. Who
Speaker 2: the next piece of that core are going to be
Speaker 2: not totally sure, but sure, Okay, now Lin Doran sor
Speaker 2: though yes.
Speaker 1: Uh Steve Cohen's comments, I wish I wish he kept
Speaker 1: his fucking mouth shut, because he just he just confirmed
Speaker 1: that there was issues last year between them.
Speaker 2: He did, he confirmed it. He said, you'd believe strongly
Speaker 2: that Lindoran so though getting along much better. And then
Speaker 2: he lamented the fact that Sherman asked a question about
Speaker 2: the clubhouse chemistry because he said that was last year's story.
Speaker 1: I mean, positive spin spin zone not a problem this year,
Speaker 1: not bad at all.
Speaker 2: Seems like it's okay. One thing that's not Two things
Speaker 2: that are not an issue, Boba Schek's defense at third
Speaker 2: base one. So then physical door friends also, you know what,
Speaker 2: they haven't spent that much time together. No, they really haven't.
Speaker 2: That could also be part of it.
Speaker 1: But fourteen games now officially negative spin zone seems like
Speaker 1: there was an issue last year.
Speaker 2: That's Who's that a bigger uh smudge on Lindor or
Speaker 2: Soto or Carlos Mendoza, more Carlos Mendez or David Sterns
Speaker 2: Stephen go I think it's a bad look on all
Speaker 2: of them. Saw this in our comment section. We didn't
Speaker 2: even talk about it.
Speaker 1: How Chavez would talk about, seemingly how often he would
Speaker 1: go over Carlos Mendoz's head for this great leader, Carlos
Speaker 1: Mendez that's why he was the wrong guy. Shouldn't have
Speaker 1: been fired, right, But yet all his coaches consistently go.
Speaker 2: Over his head. Yeah, Eric Shavis send he emails the
Speaker 2: entire organization and then questioning Davis serins as to why
Speaker 2: I want so they'll get special treatment. Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: And again, but I also again we talked about this
Speaker 2: from Francisco Lindor's perspective. Yeah, this guy comes in, he's
Speaker 2: making twice as much money as you. You had just
Speaker 2: led this team to the best finish they've had in.
Speaker 1: A decade, and now all of a sudden, the biggest
Speaker 1: ovation on opening day is the new guy who was
Speaker 1: playing across town and then also for a division right
Speaker 1: and would beat the piss out of you, And now
Speaker 1: all of a sudden he gets special treatment. He's not
Speaker 1: asked to be a leader, even though he makes up
Speaker 1: all the money and he's one of the best players
Speaker 1: in baseball, with all his pressures on you with the
Speaker 1: media and everything you have to do with the young players.
Speaker 1: And then in the middle of that season, your owner,
Speaker 1: the guy we're talking about right now, publicly says there
Speaker 1: will never be a captain. While he's the owner of
Speaker 1: this team, while there was a league video that looked
Speaker 1: like it showed that they were going to turn over
Speaker 1: captain see from David Wright to Francisco Lindor jel knowing
Speaker 1: that Wan Soto might have been a little bit MOPy
Speaker 1: about making seven hundred and fifty million dollars with the
Speaker 1: New York Mets over the first month.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I don't want to make my seven hundred million.
Speaker 2: I can connect the dots. It does seem like there
Speaker 2: was And again also the Adam of if you just
Speaker 2: think about Nimo being like, why am I not the captain?
Speaker 2: I'm sure he was like, why am I not the captain?
Speaker 2: It wasn't doesn't seem like it was a good clubhouse
Speaker 2: last year. No, it seems like it was a mess. Yeah,
Speaker 2: some other funny things here. Sherman was right up front
Speaker 2: with him about CBA stuff. Yeah, and Cohen I liked
Speaker 2: his answer. He said, whatever the rules are, we'll play
Speaker 2: by him. It doesn't matter to me. He goes, I'm
Speaker 2: a league first guy. And then Sherman's like, Joe, don't
Speaker 2: you feel mad that you spent this much money on
Speaker 2: this team? Now you can't play by the rules you
Speaker 2: thought you were gonna play with He's like, hey man, and
Speaker 2: then Cohen gave another great comment earlier he was like,
Speaker 2: my life's going great except for one thing. So I
Speaker 2: feel sometimes yeah, no, I mean, honestly, life is great
Speaker 2: except for the New York Mets. Except for one thing.
Speaker 2: Knicks won the NBAH finals. I did did the JFK
Speaker 2: driving back today. One of the worst things you could
Speaker 2: ever do in New York. But driving through rural like world,
Speaker 2: I said, rural driving to residential Queens. I couldn't believe.
Speaker 2: I mean, Nick's flags around porch and of course let's
Speaker 2: go nick. Uh. One more thing that he said is
Speaker 2: a I think he was trying to build a little
Speaker 2: bit of an arms length between him and Stearns. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think so. He made a comment about the regression
Speaker 2: in the farm system this year and said, people tell
Speaker 2: me development's not linear. Yes, that's like, oh, okay, I
Speaker 2: mean that's also I feel like he's a little tongue
Speaker 2: in cheek too, because like Cohen knows that he's not
Speaker 2: a baseball guy, So like I have people telling me
Speaker 2: that this it's not linear. I think that's he loves
Speaker 2: to stir the pot to Steve cull he's a troll,
Speaker 2: a little bit of a provocatory. Mentioned the incident with
Speaker 2: a fans on Twitter. He's like, yeah, once the anti
Speaker 2: Semitic things get the thrown around, I'm probab gonna turn
Speaker 2: the app off. That's fair. I wouldn't want to have
Speaker 2: to deal with that either if I was Jewish. Now
Speaker 2: and he mentioned the fan getting kicked out on Friday
Speaker 2: Nights with the fire Star, what do you say? I
Speaker 2: didn't hear that? He said, where is it right here?
Speaker 2: Supposedly the person was bligering. I wasn't there. That's when
Speaker 2: my people told me, I suppose this person's bligering. You can
Speaker 2: have any sign to whatever you want. But if you're
Speaker 2: ruining someone else time at the ballpark and someone's gonna.
Speaker 1: Have to step in, Yeah, I mean, we know about
Speaker 1: another person that was on social media that has been
Speaker 1: bligering at games and thrown out, and then the stories
Speaker 1: move based on that guy's point of view.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it can definitely change a lot. But again,
Speaker 2: that's all. I don't think that the Mets are heavily
Speaker 2: censoring this kind of stuff. You'd be shocked usually when
Speaker 2: and this is actually happening right now in baseball very
Speaker 2: different context. But usually when there's a dilemma and the
Speaker 2: two options are someone being really awful and someone is
Speaker 2: being really stupid, most times it's just stupid and not
Speaker 2: the really awful. Sometimes it is the awful, of course. Kenby, Yeah,
Speaker 2: definitely can be. Don't don't ignore that. There's other things
Speaker 2: that are coming into play, but that's most likely what
Speaker 2: happens here. I think that's pretty much it for for
Speaker 2: the show, right, Yeah, I think that's it for the show. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love sometimes. I love how foward Steve Cohen will be.
Speaker 1: I also hate it sometimes, but I guess that's what
Speaker 1: happens when your owner is so candid to the media.
Speaker 1: Really wish that Lindor Soto thing never came out, though,
Speaker 1: I wish we just kept that through ourselves.
Speaker 2: We all kind of thought it so in the last
Speaker 2: week now one so he was gonna have to answer
Speaker 2: questions about his relationship with the Francis g Lindor getting
Speaker 2: better and the special treatment that he allegedly received that
Speaker 2: was matted off by his former co hitting coach.
Speaker 1: Loved his response when he got asked about you I
Speaker 1: heard about it, no comment.
Speaker 2: He's like, go fuck yourself.
Speaker 1: Eric no one zugged themselves a bigger hole than Eric
Speaker 1: Schoppas over the past week.
Speaker 2: Though.
Speaker 1: That's that's for sure. He'll never work in major league
Speaker 1: baseball again. Absolutely will never work in major league baseballgain.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if he could work for like
Speaker 1: a college team at this point. It seems like he
Speaker 1: might be coaching his kids if they're still that young.
Speaker 2: But as long as Chris Hamblin's around that they're gonna
Speaker 2: find success.
Speaker 1: Did you watch him sing the Star Spangled Banner A
Speaker 1: sensational I mean, voice of an angel. So that's the
Speaker 1: voice of a generation. Michael Jackson, move over there, Chris
Speaker 1: amblance songbirds.
Speaker 2: Two more mans here to give you guys something positive.
Speaker 2: The hanger hats on, No, I'm clean, look good. The
Speaker 2: spinners were spinning, the curveball was spinning. The sweeper was
Speaker 2: still kind of all over the place, but the curve
Speaker 2: ball was back. Finally, it's what's his like?
Speaker 1: Arm angle is a little bit sloppy because it seems
Speaker 1: like the slider is getting a little slurvy, if that
Speaker 1: makes sense.
Speaker 2: More drop on it.
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily that's more drop, but I think that
Speaker 1: even maybe that the way that he's releasing it could
Speaker 1: be different because in this game quite less drop on it.
Speaker 2: It was lifting more. So I think that could be
Speaker 2: a symptom of him dropping the arm bang a little lower. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that could be the case. Again, maybe that's an issue
Speaker 2: where where he has the curveball, because he kind of
Speaker 2: gets under that curveball too, because that curveball. So is
Speaker 2: that curveball slurvy? Yeah, it's very too plainy. But he
Speaker 2: attacked his own. A lot of guys in his Blue
Speaker 2: Jats team seemed like they struggled with fastballs. He didn't
Speaker 2: really have an issue throwing them, especially late in the count.
Speaker 2: He got some strike with them. He just looked like
Speaker 2: a dog on the mound. Again, this year is about
Speaker 2: taking things with us and something to take with us.
Speaker 2: Hopefully he's Nolan McLain being great. Love the mustache.
Speaker 1: Mustache was great, dog move love the must I mean
Speaker 1: that's something that we've talked about a lot before where
Speaker 1: it's like you see a guy shave his head, you
Speaker 1: see a guy shave the beard.
Speaker 2: Whatever it is.
Speaker 1: Hey, some I'm up change something up because it ain't working.
Speaker 1: And I think McLain kind of said.
Speaker 2: The same thing, he goes.
Speaker 1: I thought it looked good, but it obviously it really
Speaker 1: matters how I played, and I played pretty good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, another funny thing here again taking something with us
Speaker 2: on aj Ewing just continues to impress me every single day,
Speaker 2: so good with how he plays. We've also gotten the hints,
Speaker 2: I don't know if you heard it the other night
Speaker 2: that with Louise Robert coming through Triple A aj Ewing
Speaker 2: they said, since he came to the league and while
Speaker 2: he was in Triple A this year, has been taking
Speaker 2: ground balls at second base. Love that really like that.
Speaker 1: But his arm is so good in the outfield that
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily know if I want to lose it.
Speaker 1: Which God turned hople plays, I mean God turned double plays.
Speaker 1: But it feels like, truthfully, the best way to go
Speaker 1: about it, right is, I mean, Louise Robert's gonna play
Speaker 1: still maybe three times a week just because the injury
Speaker 1: stuff where you gotta trade him. And then also at
Speaker 1: the same time, like Ewing and left Robert and center
Speaker 1: Benjin right DH Soto for the time being.
Speaker 2: Talking to me, I'm fine with that. You know what
Speaker 2: else I would even tell one? So though, did you
Speaker 2: see that glove over there with the round and ed
Speaker 2: just a little bit longer. Once you try one of
Speaker 2: those on, why don't we just pulled the rip this
Speaker 2: bandit off and give that a shot to point again,
Speaker 2: he's been slightly below average in the afield this year.
Speaker 2: Don't look at the first play. It happened on Monday.
Speaker 2: But you don't really want to do that with your investment.
Speaker 2: He might not want to change positions yet and clearly
Speaker 2: he's getting some special treatment this organization, so we can't
Speaker 2: really do much about that, but specifically about you. Despite
Speaker 2: him having like a decent series with the bat again,
Speaker 2: bring up the season averages, way up that at bat
Speaker 2: he took against Louis Varland in the game on Monday,
Speaker 2: especially juxtaposed the two guys were in this organization for
Speaker 2: a very long time, might not be much longer. And
Speaker 2: Mark Fientos and Ronni Maricio who had no fucking chance whatsoever.
Speaker 2: Ryan Risio, he struck out three pitches, maybe it was four.
Speaker 2: He was like, I am swinging right here. I will
Speaker 2: now that I will not change my mind. You can
Speaker 2: clearly tell when the game is too fast for a
Speaker 2: guy like Ronny Mauricio, where often yes adriw Ewing. After
Speaker 2: he got blown away by the first pitch, he immediately
Speaker 2: stepped out and regathered himself. Yes, Ronny Marisio got put
Speaker 2: down two and he just like ah, and he didn't
Speaker 2: He didn't step out, he didn't call time. He just
Speaker 2: let the third pitch happen to him. Clear sign of
Speaker 2: a guy who somehow is still not ready. Yeah he's uh,
Speaker 2: he's bad. Yeah he's not.
Speaker 1: I've officially lost hope in Ronnie Mauricio.
Speaker 2: It's just not gonna happen here. No. Wow, Belgium scored
Speaker 2: the goal extra time in one Wow, they beat set
Speaker 2: a goal. They scored two to eighty six and eighty eighth.
Speaker 1: I know that's a team that has no that really
Speaker 1: was on its last legs there.
Speaker 2: They looked horrible.
Speaker 1: The entire World Cup not a World Cup podcast, baseball podcast.
Speaker 2: I just I just I just popped up inside of
Speaker 2: my Twitter. I was just like shocked by it. But
Speaker 2: seeing Asria Ewing be able to take those very very
Speaker 2: professional play appearances against statistically the best closing the league
Speaker 2: this year. But you want to know, in Louis Arland,
Speaker 2: it's it's really cool to see really encouraging Steve mentioned
Speaker 2: it too. He mentioned sometimes you don't know when the
Speaker 2: next great prospect is gonna pop out of nowhere. I
Speaker 2: think he was kind of alluding to you probably yeah,
Speaker 2: or maybe Kleine Ramirez in the DSL right now, who knows,
Speaker 2: but if Steve's locked in there. But it's as interesting.
Speaker 2: I also do want to call out something happening in
Speaker 2: baseball that it coincides with Freddy pearlt sucking. It's not
Speaker 2: the reason Fredday Pearl to sacking, but the baseball is different.
Speaker 2: Right now, we're getting we've been getting twenty nineteen baseballs
Speaker 2: for the last four weeks. You know, Sara's has some
Speaker 2: good reporting on it. I think a guy named Zelen
Speaker 2: Sean Zellen with the Action networked to something on it
Speaker 2: as well, so that yes, imagely Baseball commented like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we know, we don't know why they sent.
Speaker 1: The manufacturers, that there's an inconsistency in the manufacturing. Yet
Speaker 1: I go, why are there so many inconsistencies?
Speaker 2: Somehow the inconsistency has been very consistent. Yeah, it means
Speaker 2: the balls flying out, even that Seawan Key's home run today,
Speaker 2: that's not that that wasn't a fucking home run. That
Speaker 2: was bullshit that one.
Speaker 1: It looked like he flared it at first, like caught apparel,
Speaker 1: but like he didn't.
Speaker 2: It was twenty nineteen home run. Yeah, that was a
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen homer.
Speaker 1: It was almost like the Scott Kangary home run where
Speaker 1: he got jammed and went out to right field.
Speaker 2: So again, not the reason. It's been a bad stretch
Speaker 2: for both know them claim and Freddy Peralta not the
Speaker 2: reason definitely, and Paul Skins definitely making things sales. Have
Speaker 2: had a couple of not the best starts ever that
Speaker 2: Brace team.
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Speaker 2: I mean again Brace teams struggling right now, but which
Speaker 2: Mets pitchers didn't get the longest home run for Matt Olson.
Speaker 2: I mean, Christians does struggle against left eas o the
Speaker 2: picks matt Oles and that's the obvious one. Maddles is
Speaker 2: gonna crush him and one so though maybe Ozzie obviously
Speaker 2: he loves to kill us, and he's playing better this year.
Speaker 2: Door on there. He's been hitting home ro swing the
Speaker 2: bat better, loves playing in Atlanta, loves playing in Atlanta. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I was like, Mets, some Braves, let's let's play
Speaker 2: some ball. Who cares?
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Speaker 2: Two teams met some Braves in tremendous amounts of flux.
Speaker 2: Right now, the Braves are finally kind of coming back
Speaker 2: down to earth in a way work. They are only
Speaker 2: two and a half games as of recording up on
Speaker 2: the Philadelphia Phillies in the division, which is I don't
Speaker 2: have crazy. I don't hear anyone in the media going
Speaker 2: crazy about the Braves blowing a twelve game lead inside
Speaker 2: of the first half, like I remember once a ten
Speaker 2: game lead over the course of three and a half
Speaker 2: months being blown.
Speaker 1: Well, James, it's because they're not the Mets. Did you
Speaker 1: forget that? Because the record is still good.
Speaker 2: I did forget that. So let's go back all the way.
Speaker 2: Three weeks the Braves got swept two games to the
Speaker 2: White Sox if you remember, lost the series to the
Speaker 2: Mets when we were in free fall, got swept two
Speaker 2: games against the Giants, two rainouts in there, won a
Speaker 2: series against the Brewers, swept by the Padres lost the
Speaker 2: series to the Giants. Lost bad teams. Yes, lost to
Speaker 2: the Cardinals, yestually playing them again tonight, playing them again tomorrow. Man.
Speaker 1: So since June first, basically, I think they've been one
Speaker 1: of the worst teams of baseball.
Speaker 2: In the month of June. I think it's been the Reds,
Speaker 2: the Mets, and like the Braves, absolutely one of the
Speaker 2: worst teams in baseball since the speginning of June. Hate
Speaker 2: to see it.
Speaker 1: Hope we can continue that, because even though our season's over,
Speaker 1: I would love to play spoiler and just completely fuck
Speaker 1: the Braves, but.
Speaker 2: Then we help the family. So again, it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 2: The best outcome here. The most amicable thing we can
Speaker 2: do is go split two two, No, win them all,
Speaker 2: win them all, right, the win them all, take them
Speaker 2: down when we get the opportunity. Look what the Red
Speaker 2: Sox just did this weekend against against the Yankees. Just
Speaker 2: just just beat your rival, take your challenge to step
Speaker 2: up and say something. I mean, well, there was a fight,
Speaker 2: there was a mess, there was a whole, a whole
Speaker 2: convoluted array of errors. But as of right now, the
Speaker 2: pitching matchups, we're gonna have to throw someone else into
Speaker 2: this slot this weekend. I don't know who's going to be.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be Christian Scott Friday, and probably Sean Manyah
Speaker 2: Saturday or Sunday. Past that, I'm not entirely sure what's
Speaker 2: gonna happen. I don't think Sackdorrton was sent down. Sure
Speaker 2: Zach Dorton was sent down, he would have made sense.
Speaker 2: Tobias Myers probably gets bulk innings here at some point
Speaker 2: because he last pitched that was Monday. Maybe you can
Speaker 2: get some innings at some point. Yeah, because anything gets
Speaker 2: mintings at some point. I mean Nolan McLain will pitch
Speaker 2: also Sunday or Monday. I mean, so it's Nolan can
Speaker 2: probably pitch a Sunday because that's his fifth day. We'll
Speaker 2: have to fill it out and then I don't know
Speaker 2: Wednesday night. I guess if everyone stays on track, we'll
Speaker 2: get Scott Manaia McLain, Freddy Prawlta with the off day,
Speaker 2: and if we'll get those, we'll get those four guys.
Speaker 2: Let's beat the braves. Who gives a fuck? Yeah, let's
Speaker 2: beat them. That's what I like.
Speaker 1: Again, we're gonna be watching these games and I've enjoyed
Speaker 1: watching the Mets again, not because it's fun baseball, but
Speaker 1: because I have a different perspective on the season now.
Speaker 1: I'm not getting upset when they lose, like Freddy prolt
Speaker 1: Is stunk. Wow, this guy stinks. I'm mad because it's
Speaker 1: gonna hurt his trade value. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: don't care the season's over. I'm not like, ah, we're
Speaker 1: almost back in it. That's why, Like the fake rage
Speaker 1: I'm seeing on Twitter from people is absolutely insane right now. No,
Speaker 1: it's hard to live like that, honestly, Yeah, like life
Speaker 1: is worth living and watching the summer. Getting mad on
Speaker 1: July first, when there's sixteen games under five hundred just
Speaker 1: ain't it. But I am gonna take some solace and
Speaker 1: if we beat the Braves, I can't wait. I hope
Speaker 1: we beat the Braves. I'm excited to beat the Braves.
Speaker 1: We just took a series off them and they're playing
Speaker 1: bad baseball. And when you look at this lineup, the
Speaker 1: glass cannon thing is happening right now where Matt Olsen's incredible,
Speaker 1: Brucio Dubond's been incredible.
Speaker 2: It's five home runs in the month of June. That's
Speaker 2: absolutely insane. The rest of his lineup is ice cold.
Speaker 2: You can't wait the Recar Dubond month. If you're the Braves,
Speaker 2: you can't do it.
Speaker 1: No, it's kind of crazy that they have because I mean,
Speaker 1: looking at this, Mike Rostremsky's completely been Tom Smith has
Speaker 1: been absolutely toast.
Speaker 2: Austin Riley fallof needs to be studied. Yeah, there's not
Speaker 2: enough conversations about that. I feel like, here's enough conversation
Speaker 2: about the fucking Braves. We're going three years now. Roustin
Speaker 2: Riley has barely been able to get as high above
Speaker 2: average as a major league average hither and now this year,
Speaker 2: he's one of the worst hitters in baseball. Cistically, he's
Speaker 2: flirting with Brett Baity numbers at the plate and at
Speaker 2: the same time as in zone swing and misses kind
Speaker 2: of shooting up like a rock. His own swing rate
Speaker 2: is falling. It's a various Trains situation. Drake Baldwin has
Speaker 2: been cold since coming out the injured list. Michael Harris
Speaker 2: had a great bounce back season. Ronaldo Lopez is back
Speaker 2: and he's on the mound right now. I see guys
Speaker 2: on base. In the first sitting against him, he was
Speaker 2: pouring his return last week as well, ass that everyone
Speaker 2: knew Bryce out there was gonna wind up being asked
Speaker 2: not Maddicks. Now's the easy, easiest call of all time
Speaker 2: right there, and like this thing's been held together by
Speaker 2: Martin Perez. He's been fucking awesome. Four two ra over
Speaker 2: twenty five innings of the month of June is huge
Speaker 2: for Martin Perez. July fifth, Sunday was times our game
Speaker 2: with them. Sunday twelve Peacock twelve thirty. Wow, so Sunday,
Speaker 2: but also series ending on Mondays. We probably just mark,
Speaker 2: can I take the fourth of July this weekend?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: Get you podcast? Yeah, Tuesday morning, we're getting a podcast,
Speaker 2: you guys, because we're gonna way for the entire series
Speaker 2: to end unless something else crazy happens that maybe we'll
Speaker 2: do an emergency, but that means Sunday the slate twelve
Speaker 2: thirty Mets Braves with all the baseball starting at one
Speaker 2: forty four o'clock Brazil, Norway, eight o'clock England, Mexico. Let's go.
Speaker 1: You got the England kid on right now? Well, England
Speaker 1: is it coming home?
Speaker 2: Yeah? She doesn't listening to this podcast, no way, but
Speaker 2: We're in the roof, gonna cheer ass off till it
Speaker 2: gets there. Yeah, I mean, I got no, let's go Portugal.
Speaker 2: That's what i'mrooving for. So they played tomorrow, right, play tomorrow. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a big game also at noon? Right?
Speaker 1: Uh no, they played seven I think oh okay, late
Speaker 1: late night game for that. But that's all we got, right,
Speaker 1: we got Frankie Peppers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably got frank What Frankie's got for us? I
Speaker 2: just I just want to have some fun watching baseball again.
Speaker 2: Fourth of July.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to enjoy watching the Mets with some beers
Speaker 1: in the pool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna have the average of the annual Shiano
Speaker 2: Bash on the fourth July. Wow, three percent. But I'm
Speaker 2: prying around today, might be cutting off Frankie here. Now
Speaker 2: we got Frankie. We got Frankie. Also, just want to
Speaker 2: let you guys know, shout out we're talking about Matt's
Speaker 2: Carlson does before horrible tragedy in Venezuela last week. There
Speaker 2: are lots of entry points for donations around New York.
Speaker 2: I know specifically there's a great Azuelan restaurant that Mark
Speaker 2: and I both love, Casto Aurra. So they are running
Speaker 2: a massive donation box every single day at their sister
Speaker 2: Cafe Lula on Graham Avenue. If anyone lives anywhere in
Speaker 2: North Brooklyn, great time to donate some canned goods, blanket shirts, anything. Yes, venezuela,
Speaker 2: Here comes Frankie.
Speaker 3: Gentlemen, this is Frankie Pepper. Say you know, it's still
Speaker 3: at work being worked to the bone today, gentlemen. And then,
Speaker 3: just like the New York Mets keep getting worked to
Speaker 3: the bone because they keep losing games. So uh, miss
Speaker 3: Frankie's hot sauce steak for the day, the Blue Jays
Speaker 3: are served today because it was Canad of the day.
Speaker 3: All right, boys, I hope you have a hope you
Speaker 3: have a happy Fourth of July. I don't know if
Speaker 3: I'm gonna speak to you before then. Don't blow off
Speaker 3: any limbs of fingers of toes with fireworks. And my
Speaker 3: hot take is that my second hot take is that, uh,
Speaker 3: just go to a fireworks show where they go far
Speaker 3: away in thefore. You can have some ice cream and
Speaker 3: watch fireworks. Don't go to the firework Showre's too many CAUs.
Speaker 3: All right, gentlemen, take care, Let's go Mets.
Speaker 1: I suppose I'm with Frankie. Love watching the firework, don't
Speaker 1: care to set them off. Yeah, I did you ever
Speaker 1: have a phase?
Speaker 2: No, I was never a pyro kid. I had a
Speaker 2: little phase jacka che I could see that. Yeah, between
Speaker 2: the ages of like thirteenth of fifteen ish thirteen, four
Speaker 2: eighth great freshman year of high school, I I little fireworks.
Speaker 1: I don't know why or how, but I was terrified
Speaker 1: that I was going to be the one who got
Speaker 1: their hand blown off.
Speaker 2: But there was a dude who lived on my block
Speaker 2: who somehow access to tons of fireworks, and it was
Speaker 2: just it was too cheap to resist. That's fair, but yeah,
Speaker 2: not for me. I like watching them, not sending them off.
Speaker 2: That's it, guys. Thank you for listening. Thank you for
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Speaker 2: Peace out, peace out, guys. Let's call him Mets