WEBVTT - Constance Markievicz

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to steph you missed in History Class from how

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Tracy the Wilson and I'm Holly fry So. Back

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<v Speaker 1>in and also as our most recent Saturday classic, we

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<v Speaker 1>did an episode on the Easter Rising, that was an

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<v Speaker 1>armed rebellion that struck Ireland in nineteen sixteen, and in

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<v Speaker 1>that episode we made a couple of brief mentions of

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<v Speaker 1>Constance Markavitch, and I made an aside that she was

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<v Speaker 1>one of the most fascinating characters that I learned about

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<v Speaker 1>while we're searching that episode, and that if I had

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<v Speaker 1>found out about her earlier, the episode might have been

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<v Speaker 1>all about her of about the Easter Rising in general.

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<v Speaker 1>So she's been on my short list ever since then,

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<v Speaker 1>which probably gives you a sense of how long my

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<v Speaker 1>short list is, since that was two years ago and

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<v Speaker 1>we are just now getting around to it. We've also

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<v Speaker 1>gotten a few were quests for a show on her recently,

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<v Speaker 1>so I thought it was finally time for her to

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<v Speaker 1>make it up to the top of that list. There

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<v Speaker 1>was a lot of conflict in Ireland during this period

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<v Speaker 1>of history, and uh Constance Markevitch was involved in a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of it, so we're not going to get back

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<v Speaker 1>into the details of the Easter rising again. That is

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<v Speaker 1>why we had it as our most recent Saturday Classic

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<v Speaker 1>for maybe folks who are newer to the show or

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<v Speaker 1>don't really remember, so that is easy to find in

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<v Speaker 1>the archive um for that part of the story. But

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot more to talk about, so we're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to get into the Easter rizing so much today.

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<v Speaker 1>Constance Markovitch was born Constance Georgine Gore Booth on February

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<v Speaker 1>four eight. Her father was Henry Gore Booth and her

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<v Speaker 1>mother was Georgina may Hill. Constance was their oldest child,

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<v Speaker 1>and she was born in a townhouse that the family

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<v Speaker 1>kept near Buckingham Palace in London. She'd eventually have four

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<v Speaker 1>younger siblings that she was always closest to her sister, Ava,

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<v Speaker 1>who was two years younger. Constance grew up and was

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<v Speaker 1>educated at Lisadel House. Although her mother was from Yorkshire

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<v Speaker 1>on her father's side, the family had lived in this

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<v Speaker 1>part of Ireland since sixty one. That was when Paul

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<v Speaker 1>Gore was made a baronet and granted part of the

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<v Speaker 1>land that would become Lizadella state. The house itself that

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<v Speaker 1>she was raised in was a lot newer than that,

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<v Speaker 1>though it was only about thirty years old when Constance

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<v Speaker 1>was born. This was a forty eight room country house

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<v Speaker 1>decorated with paintings by the old masters, and there the

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<v Speaker 1>young Constance was educated by governesses and tutors. She was

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<v Speaker 1>described as a happy child, high spirited, and excellent on horseback.

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<v Speaker 1>Her father made repeated expeditions to the Arctic, almost as

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<v Speaker 1>a hobby, and he seemed to raise his oldest daughter

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<v Speaker 1>with the same eye for adventure. She was also tomboyish

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<v Speaker 1>and she didn't like most of the activities that were

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<v Speaker 1>considered feminine. She did like to draw into sketch and

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<v Speaker 1>she was considered to be quite good at it, and

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<v Speaker 1>she got older, she also learned to shoot, and she

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<v Speaker 1>developed a fondness for playing pranks on people. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a very affluent family. Constants and her family were part

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<v Speaker 1>of the Protestant Ascendancy, and this is a term that

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<v Speaker 1>was coined in the eighteenth century to describe the domination

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<v Speaker 1>of majority Catholic Ireland by a Protestant and mostly English minority.

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<v Speaker 1>It was also used to describe the members of the

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<v Speaker 1>Protestant aristocracy that were part of this domination as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So even though this term came into use in the

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<v Speaker 1>eighteenth century, the practices involved with it went back much farther.

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<v Speaker 1>They were largely associated with Oliver Cromwell's conquest of Ireland

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<v Speaker 1>and with the period following the Glorious Revolution in six

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<v Speaker 1>eight the Protestant ascendancy turned former Irish Catholic landowners into

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<v Speaker 1>tenant farmers working for Protestant landlords, many of whom were English,

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<v Speaker 1>and generations later these landlords were not viewed as proper

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<v Speaker 1>really Irish and were instead described as Anglo Irish constance.

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<v Speaker 1>As father had at least a thousand families as tenants,

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<v Speaker 1>although some of his tenants managed huge acreages that they

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<v Speaker 1>subdivided and then least to other tenants, So he had

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<v Speaker 1>these direct tenants and then sort of an indirect pool

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<v Speaker 1>of tenants that some of his tenants were managing. A

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<v Speaker 1>lot of this property was adjoining Lisadel, but some of

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<v Speaker 1>it was in Manchester. To be clear, this entire system

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<v Speaker 1>of Protestant landowners managing land that had previously been owned

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<v Speaker 1>by Irish Catholics directly was exploitive and unjust, and it

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<v Speaker 1>contributed to a lot of problems in Irish history, but

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<v Speaker 1>as landlords went, Henry gore Booth had a reputation for

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<v Speaker 1>being fair and reasonable. Many Protestant landlords were basically absentee landlords,

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<v Speaker 1>but the gore Booth family was in residence at Lisadel

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<v Speaker 1>for at least part of every year. Henry gore Booth

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<v Speaker 1>also charged lower rents than the market value you and

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<v Speaker 1>he ran the whole enterprise in a very organized, thoroughly

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<v Speaker 1>documented way, with orderly, up to date bookkeeping. If this

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<v Speaker 1>seems like a really low bar kind of is, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's also indicative of like how messed up this whole

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<v Speaker 1>system was. That like that was the blar that made

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<v Speaker 1>a person just be seen as a good landlord. He

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<v Speaker 1>also did seem to treat his tenants pretty compassionately, if

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<v Speaker 1>also paternalistically. In the late eighteen seventies, just a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of decades after the Great Famine in Ireland, heavy rains

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<v Speaker 1>crossed widespread crop failures, and for a lot of Irish

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<v Speaker 1>tenants this meant going to a workhouse and losing their

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<v Speaker 1>homes and their land. Many of Henry gore Booth's tenants

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<v Speaker 1>still wound up in workhouses, but he arranged for them

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<v Speaker 1>to go to one that he personally oversaw without having

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<v Speaker 1>to forfeit their lands or their homes to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's still a bad situation, but not as bad

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<v Speaker 1>as it could have been. The rest of the family

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<v Speaker 1>was part of this approach as well. During this same time,

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<v Speaker 1>Lady gore Booths, Constance and the older children set up

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<v Speaker 1>a food distribution system for the tenants, and they arranged

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<v Speaker 1>delivery of straw to homes where there weren't any beds.

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<v Speaker 1>Both Constance and Ava tried to be benevolently helpful, and

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<v Speaker 1>apparently they were genuine enough about it that they really

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<v Speaker 1>endeared themselves to the tenants, who they referred to as

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<v Speaker 1>country people. In eighteen eighty six, when Constance turned eighteen,

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<v Speaker 1>she spent six months in Italy with a governess before

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<v Speaker 1>making her formal debut. She was presented to Queen Victoria

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<v Speaker 1>as a debutante on March seventeenth, eighteen eighty seven, which

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<v Speaker 1>was during the Queen's Golden Jubilee. Year. After her debut,

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<v Speaker 1>Constant spent several seasons in London, where she was always

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<v Speaker 1>described as the life of the party. Although she was popular,

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<v Speaker 1>her behavior wasn't considered very ladylike. While the other young

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<v Speaker 1>women in London tended to be coy and demure, Constance

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<v Speaker 1>was vivacious and direct. Those pranks that she liked to

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<v Speaker 1>play on people could also be kind of mocking and

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<v Speaker 1>mean spirited, which may have turned off some suitors. She

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<v Speaker 1>could also be very daring. One night, she actually jumped

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<v Speaker 1>out of her carriage to physically get in between two

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<v Speaker 1>men who were fighting on the street, calling for other

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<v Speaker 1>passers by to come help her break up the bit.

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<v Speaker 1>In one oft repeated story from this time in Consences Life,

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<v Speaker 1>one night, a male guest at Lisadel was making a

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<v Speaker 1>number of unwanted advances toward her, and then he was

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<v Speaker 1>seated next to her at dinner. While they were eating,

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<v Speaker 1>he put his hand on her knee, and her response

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<v Speaker 1>was to pick it up, hold it up for everyone

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<v Speaker 1>to see, and exclaim, just look what I have found

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<v Speaker 1>in my lap. That's a pretty good story. By the

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<v Speaker 1>time she turned twenty five, tensions were high between Constants

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<v Speaker 1>and her parents. She was basically a spinster at that point,

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<v Speaker 1>and she was seen as an annoyance and a burden

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<v Speaker 1>as they were all increasingly at with each other. At home,

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<v Speaker 1>Constance started asking to go away to art school, and

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<v Speaker 1>she spent more time on art than socializing during her

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen season in London. They finally gave her permission to

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<v Speaker 1>go to the Slade School in London, which we will

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<v Speaker 1>get to. After a quick sponsor break, Constant started studying

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<v Speaker 1>art at the Slade School in London in eighteen ninety three.

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<v Speaker 1>She still spent a lot of time back home in Slago,

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<v Speaker 1>but just being able to have some measure of independence

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<v Speaker 1>helped to ease some of the tension between her and

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<v Speaker 1>her parents. Constance and her sister Ava started socializing with

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<v Speaker 1>lots of artists and writers, including William Butler Yates, who

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<v Speaker 1>had ongoing connections with the gore Booth family and with

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<v Speaker 1>the part of Ireland that they were living in. In

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<v Speaker 1>eight Constance, Ava and their sister Mabel became focused on

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<v Speaker 1>the issue of women's suffrage. Together they started a Votes

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<v Speaker 1>for Women organization in County Sligo, with Constance serving as president,

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<v Speaker 1>Ava as secretary, and Mabel as treasurer. And a speech

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<v Speaker 1>at one of their meetings, Constance posed the question of why,

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<v Speaker 1>if women were so incompetent, had there been no enormous

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<v Speaker 1>uprising against Queen Victoria. She also argued against organizations having

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<v Speaker 1>separate auxiliary units just for women, because doing so set

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<v Speaker 1>up women as a separate class from men. In Constance

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<v Speaker 1>continued her study of art by moving to Paris to

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<v Speaker 1>study at a studio run by Rodolph Julienne. She was

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<v Speaker 1>at this point completely dedicated to this study, even wearing

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<v Speaker 1>a wedding ring to symbolize that she was married to art.

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<v Speaker 1>But not long after arriving in Paris, she met Polish

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<v Speaker 1>playwright and artist Count Kasimir Markovic. Constance and Kasimir were

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<v Speaker 1>immediately taken with each other. He was tall and handsome

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<v Speaker 1>and six years younger than she was. He was also

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<v Speaker 1>a very good painter. He was, being from Poland, very

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<v Speaker 1>unlike most of the people that she had known in

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<v Speaker 1>her life. He was also married, although his wife died

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<v Speaker 1>in eighteen ninety nine, just a few weeks after he

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<v Speaker 1>and Constance met. By the time Kasimir's wife died, he

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<v Speaker 1>and Constance were already quite close. They had a passionate

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<v Speaker 1>romance that involved lots of bicycling and at one point

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<v Speaker 1>a duel that Kasimir fought to defend Constance's honor after

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<v Speaker 1>someone insulted her at a costume ball. On September twenty

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<v Speaker 1>nine hundred, they got married. Constance's younger sister, Mabel, who

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<v Speaker 1>had been engaged for years, also got married not long after,

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<v Speaker 1>suggesting that the family was traditional enough to insist that

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<v Speaker 1>the oldest daughter get married before the younger ones. Although

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<v Speaker 1>Kasimir styled himself as a count, it is not completely

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<v Speaker 1>clear whether he actually was one if he did have

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of title, he did not have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of money, and even though Constance came from quite a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of money, her father had died in January of

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen hundred and virtually the entire estate was settled on

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<v Speaker 1>her brother. So as the newlywed couple divided their time

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<v Speaker 1>among Paris, Lisadel, and the Markovic family estates in Poland,

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<v Speaker 1>they mostly did it with the financial help of the family.

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<v Speaker 1>On November nineteen o one, they had a daughter named Mayev.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen o three, the Markovic family moved to a

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<v Speaker 1>home in wrath Guar, which was at the time its

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<v Speaker 1>own village but today is a suburb of Dublin. Constance's

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<v Speaker 1>mother had secured the house for them and was also

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<v Speaker 1>largely raising young mave Stanislaus the count's son by his

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<v Speaker 1>first marriage, moved into the wrath Car home and may

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<v Speaker 1>have visited from time to time. While living in Ireland,

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<v Speaker 1>Constance and Casimir started spending more and more time among

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<v Speaker 1>artistic and literary circles, and they joined an art society

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<v Speaker 1>with William Butler, Yates and George A. E. Russell, and

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<v Speaker 1>Constance became increasingly interested in Irish nationalism. She met maud Gonne,

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<v Speaker 1>who was the founder of the Irish nationalist women's organization

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<v Speaker 1>Daughters of Ireland, and started becoming involved in other nationalist organizations.

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<v Speaker 1>At first, Constance's involvement in Irish nationalism was viewed with suspicion.

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<v Speaker 1>It didn't make a lot of sense that the oldest

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<v Speaker 1>daughter of an ascendancy family would take the side of

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<v Speaker 1>Irish nationalists at all. After all, she was part of

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<v Speaker 1>a minority ruling class that was almost the exact opposite

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<v Speaker 1>of the idea of a free, independent Ireland. Aside from Ava,

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<v Speaker 1>her relatives didn't approve of the connections she was making,

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<v Speaker 1>and those connections suspected she was really a spy. She

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<v Speaker 1>stuck with it, though, even as she and Kasimir started

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<v Speaker 1>to drift apart. When they met They had both had

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<v Speaker 1>a tremendous passion for art and common and now Constance's

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<v Speaker 1>passion was becoming Irish nationalism and fighting for a free Ireland.

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<v Speaker 1>And this was a passion that Kasimir just didn't share.

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<v Speaker 1>You wouldn't necessarily think he would share it. He was

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<v Speaker 1>not Irish. Earlier in their marriage, Constance had styled herself

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<v Speaker 1>as a countess because she had married a count, but

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<v Speaker 1>as they grew apart, she started calling herself madam, which

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<v Speaker 1>was a fashionable thing to do among women in the movement.

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<v Speaker 1>In the early nineteen hundreds, there were several different nationalists

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<v Speaker 1>and separatist organizations operating in Ireland who wanted Ireland to

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<v Speaker 1>be independent from the British Empire. In nineteen o five,

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<v Speaker 1>Arthur Griffith established shin Fayne meaning We Ourselves or Ourselves Alone,

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<v Speaker 1>which absorbed some of these organizations. Constance began attending shin

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<v Speaker 1>Fayne meetings in nineteen o eight, and she joined its

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<v Speaker 1>council in nineteen o nine. Also in nineteen o nine,

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<v Speaker 1>she co founded Nafena Aaron also known as just the Fienna,

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<v Speaker 1>which was an Irish nationalist scouting organization for boys. Part

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<v Speaker 1>of its purpose was paramilitary. They were training boys and

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<v Speaker 1>marksmanship and drill and basically preparing them to join nationalists

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<v Speaker 1>and Republican militia as they got older. A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>these boys were living in extreme poverty and thinking that

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<v Speaker 1>a country life would help them. Constance least a large

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<v Speaker 1>country house and basically operated it as a commune for them.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes the Fenna was known to pick fights with some

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<v Speaker 1>of the more affluent Anglo Irish boys and more wealthy neighborhoods,

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<v Speaker 1>which was something that Constance tacitly allowed. Throughout all of this,

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<v Speaker 1>Constance also became more serious about feminism, but she didn't

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<v Speaker 1>see this issue as separate from Irish nationalism. From her

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<v Speaker 1>point of view, it would do no good for women

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<v Speaker 1>to have the right to vote if Ireland did not

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<v Speaker 1>have its own parliament to represent them. And it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>just about having the right to vote because that was

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<v Speaker 1>the right men had. Every person who had the right

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<v Speaker 1>to vote needed to be making an active and positive

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<v Speaker 1>contribution to the society they were living in. So she

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<v Speaker 1>thought Ireland needed to be its own free nation, and

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<v Speaker 1>that a free Ireland also needed to incorporate equal rights

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<v Speaker 1>for women as its core identity. As a nation. She

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<v Speaker 1>also felt that a free Ireland needed to be free

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<v Speaker 1>of the kinds of wealth disparities that she had personally

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<v Speaker 1>benefited from for her whole life. So in reality, Constance's

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<v Speaker 1>political views united feminism, socialism, and Irish nationalism all into

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<v Speaker 1>one package. And in this work Constance gave speeches she

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<v Speaker 1>wrote and edited for a feminist journal. In nineteen ten,

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<v Speaker 1>she demonstrated against a visit of King George the Fifth

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<v Speaker 1>and Queen Mary, avoiding arrest herself but having to bail

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<v Speaker 1>out one of her friends and later testify that she,

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<v Speaker 1>not the man on trial, was the one who had

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<v Speaker 1>burned a flag in protest. This, by the way, did

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<v Speaker 1>not sway the court, and the man in question went

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<v Speaker 1>to prison. In nineteen twelve, Constants and some of her

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<v Speaker 1>friends started serving Irish stew to school children, both to

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<v Speaker 1>feed them because they were living in poverty, and also

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<v Speaker 1>to draw attention to the fact that a law that

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<v Speaker 1>was allowing local authorities to provide school lunches had been

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<v Speaker 1>written not to include Ireland, where a disproportionate number of

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<v Speaker 1>school children were living in poverty. She did similar work

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<v Speaker 1>during the nineteen thirteen Dublin lockout. This was a massive

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<v Speaker 1>labor dispute in which companies responded to growing efforts to

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<v Speaker 1>unionize by locking employees out of their jobs. This dispute

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<v Speaker 1>started at the Dublin United Tramway Company and then spread

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<v Speaker 1>out through other industries. Eventually, about twenty thousand workers in

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<v Speaker 1>Dublin had been locked out of their jobs, and violent

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<v Speaker 1>clashes between workers and police were ongoing. Constance Markovich and

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<v Speaker 1>Delia Larkin, who was the sister of labor organizer James Larkin,

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<v Speaker 1>ran a soup kitchen during this lockout that fed about

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<v Speaker 1>three thousand people a day. By August thirteen, James Larkin

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<v Speaker 1>was a wanted man. He stayed at the Markovitch home

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<v Speaker 1>on August that year here and then the next day

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<v Speaker 1>Constance and some others helps to smuggle him past police

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<v Speaker 1>presence so that he could make a promised public appearance.

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<v Speaker 1>That appearance did not last long, though, He got onto

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<v Speaker 1>a balcony at the Imperial Hotel, where police promptly spotted

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<v Speaker 1>him and arrested him. When Larkin was being escorted to

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<v Speaker 1>a police car, Constance went to tell him goodbye and

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<v Speaker 1>good luck, and a police officer struck her in the

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<v Speaker 1>face with the baton. This sparked a melee between police

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<v Speaker 1>and workers in which two men were killed with police

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<v Speaker 1>batons and more than four hundred people, including both workers

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<v Speaker 1>and police, were injured. This incident became one of several

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<v Speaker 1>days in history known as Bloody Sunday. Anytime somebody sends

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<v Speaker 1>us a message asking if we will do a podcast

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<v Speaker 1>on Bloody Sunday, I have to ask which one? There

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<v Speaker 1>are so many that there are in fact two in

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<v Speaker 1>this episode. The Doublin Lockout is often cited as one

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<v Speaker 1>of the precursors to the nineteen sixteen Easter Rising, which

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to touch on after a sponsor break. Constance

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<v Speaker 1>Markovitch continued her work with the Soup Kitchen during the

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<v Speaker 1>remainder of the Dublin Lockout, which ended unsuccessfully, at least

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<v Speaker 1>from the workers point of view in nineteen fourteen. Basically

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<v Speaker 1>at that point everyone was returning for work having gotten

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<v Speaker 1>none of the improvements that they were trying to campaign for.

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<v Speaker 1>By then, her marriage to Casimir Markovitch was basically over.

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<v Speaker 1>Their split was amicable, though, and he left Ireland in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirteen to take a position as a war correspondent.

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<v Speaker 1>Tensions in Ireland were continuing to escalate. The Government of

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<v Speaker 1>Ireland Act was given Royal assent on September eighteenth, nineteen fourteen,

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<v Speaker 1>which was intended to give Ireland home rule within the

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<v Speaker 1>United Kingdom, but on the same day the Suspensary Act

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<v Speaker 1>of nineteen fourteen delayed the Government of Ireland Act from

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<v Speaker 1>being put into effect because of World War One, and

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<v Speaker 1>no one in Ireland was happy with this situation. Unionists

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<v Speaker 1>who wanted to remain part of Great Britain objected to

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<v Speaker 1>the Government of Ireland Act in general, as did the

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<v Speaker 1>Radical Republicans who wanted Ireland to be independent, and the

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<v Speaker 1>Moderate faction, who were happy for Ireland to be part

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<v Speaker 1>of the UK as long as they had home rule,

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<v Speaker 1>were angry that the Government of Ireland Act had been delayed.

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<v Speaker 1>This conflict, which I mean this had been building for years,

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<v Speaker 1>eventually led to the nineteen sixteen Easter Rising, which was

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<v Speaker 1>an armed uprising against British rule in Ireland. Our previous

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<v Speaker 1>episode has more detail on the rising itself. Constance Markovitch

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<v Speaker 1>joined the Irish Citizen Army and acted as a liaison

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<v Speaker 1>officer during the Easter Rising. She also acted as a

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<v Speaker 1>sniper and when she was finally arrested, she famously kissed

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<v Speaker 1>her pistol before surrendering it. Markovitch was one of many

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<v Speaker 1>women who took part in the Easter Rising, but she

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<v Speaker 1>was the only one who was court mark shold. Afterward,

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<v Speaker 1>she was kept in a cell by herself, and while

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<v Speaker 1>she was awaiting sentence, she and all the other prisoners

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<v Speaker 1>could hear the executions of those who had been sentenced

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<v Speaker 1>to death being carried out every morning. In the end,

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<v Speaker 1>she was found guilty and sentenced to death, but her

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<v Speaker 1>sentence was commuted to life in prison with hard labor

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<v Speaker 1>on account of her gender. When she was given the news,

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<v Speaker 1>she said she'd wish they'd had the decency to shoot her. Eventually,

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<v Speaker 1>she was moved to Mountjoy Jail, where she could no

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<v Speaker 1>longer hear her compatriots being executed every morning, and where

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<v Speaker 1>her family could visit her. When her sister brought her

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<v Speaker 1>the news that James Connolly, who was one of the

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<v Speaker 1>most prominent figures in the rising, somebody she had been

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<v Speaker 1>working with for a long time, had been executed, Constance asked,

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<v Speaker 1>why didn't they let me die with my friends. Authorities

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<v Speaker 1>were worried that Constance would develop a following if she

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<v Speaker 1>was kept in a prison in Ireland, so she was

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<v Speaker 1>transferred to a prison in England, where she was placed

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<v Speaker 1>in the General Prison pop Relation. She and the other

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<v Speaker 1>incarcerated women were housed in squalor, only allowed to write

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<v Speaker 1>one letter a month, and fed barely enough to keep

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<v Speaker 1>them alive. While in prison, she converted to Catholicism. Most

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<v Speaker 1>of the surviving participants in the Easter Rising were released

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<v Speaker 1>from prison in the spring of nineteen seventeen. Constance was

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<v Speaker 1>released on June eighteenth of that year. She returned to

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<v Speaker 1>Dublin to a hero's welcome and was formally received into

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<v Speaker 1>the Catholic Church a week later, though she was being

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<v Speaker 1>treated as a celebrity. Markovic picked right up where she

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<v Speaker 1>had left off. She continued to be involved in numerous organizations,

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<v Speaker 1>including being president of kumin Aman, chief scout of the Fiena,

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<v Speaker 1>a major of the Irish Citizen Army, on and on.

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<v Speaker 1>She was also elected to the Shenfean Executive Council and

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<v Speaker 1>soon she and other members were back in prison, partly

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<v Speaker 1>because of anti conscription activities. Again this was during World

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<v Speaker 1>War One, and partly because the British government just didn't

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<v Speaker 1>think it was possible to both fight World War One

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<v Speaker 1>and fight Irish nationalists at the same time, so they

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<v Speaker 1>imprisoned all the movements leaders. This time, though she was

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<v Speaker 1>treated as a political prisoner rather than being in the

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<v Speaker 1>general prison population. A general election was called in the

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<v Speaker 1>United Kingdom immediately after the end of World War One.

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<v Speaker 1>It was held on December fourteenth, nineteen eighteen. Shin Fayn

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<v Speaker 1>ran Constance Markovic as its candidate for the St Patrick

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<v Speaker 1>division of Dublin. She won by a wide margin, defeating

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<v Speaker 1>an incumbent of twenty six years and becoming the first

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<v Speaker 1>woman to be elected as a member of Parliament. She

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<v Speaker 1>was at the time in prison. In spite of half

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<v Speaker 1>of its candidates being incarcerated at the time, seventy three

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<v Speaker 1>members of shin Fain were elected in nineteen eighteen. They

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<v Speaker 1>defeated candidates from the Irish Parliamentary Party in almost all

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<v Speaker 1>of Ireland. This was a huge upset. Those who were free,

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<v Speaker 1>which was a portion of them were not in prison

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, didn't take their their seats in Westminster,

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<v Speaker 1>though in Parliament convened. Instead, they formed the First Doyle,

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<v Speaker 1>which was basically a parliament for the Irish Republic. Amon

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<v Speaker 1>de Valera, who had been a leader in the Easter Rising,

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<v Speaker 1>had been spared execution because he was an American citizen,

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<v Speaker 1>meaning that he wasn't guilty of treason. He was elected

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<v Speaker 1>president of the Doyle and he made Markovic, who is

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<v Speaker 1>still in prison, his Minister of Labor. She was finally

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<v Speaker 1>released from prison in March of nineteen nineteen. She and

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<v Speaker 1>the other She and the other members of the movement

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<v Speaker 1>who were imprisoned were basically released out of the fear

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<v Speaker 1>of the ongoing flu pandemic. Officials were worried that if

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<v Speaker 1>they contracted influenza and died in prison, they would all

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<v Speaker 1>become martyrs. By this point, guerrilla warfare had been underway

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<v Speaker 1>for months and what became known as the Irish War

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<v Speaker 1>of Independence or the Anglo Irish War. As Minister of

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<v Speaker 1>Labor cons since kept strict security procedures, instituted a labor

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<v Speaker 1>court to resolve disputes, and basically tried to mediate between

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<v Speaker 1>Shinfane and the Labor Party. Her Department of Labor worked

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<v Speaker 1>out of a building that claimed to be an apartment

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<v Speaker 1>leasing office and also contained several pianos, so people working

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<v Speaker 1>there could pretend to be giving piano lessons if there

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<v Speaker 1>was a police raid, does make it super clear what

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<v Speaker 1>was going on. Uh. Rather than joining the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the members of Parliament and the regular British Parliament, they

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<v Speaker 1>had founded their own parliament, which they were having to

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<v Speaker 1>operate in secret because it wasn't actually legal for them

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<v Speaker 1>to be doing it, and at some points various members

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<v Speaker 1>of that parliament were doing so from prison. I find

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<v Speaker 1>this whole thing fascinating. So Conserence was arrested again in

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<v Speaker 1>October of nineteen nineteen. During all of this, by that point,

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<v Speaker 1>the Doyle and most of the organizations that she was

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<v Speaker 1>involved with had all been outlawed after her. At least,

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<v Speaker 1>she managed to run the Department of Labor while in

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<v Speaker 1>hiding for several months before being arrested once again in

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<v Speaker 1>September of nineteen twenty when the car that she was

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<v Speaker 1>riding in was pulled over by police. This time, while

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<v Speaker 1>in prison, she learned to speak Irish. This is that

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<v Speaker 1>moment I've had several but it's that moment when I

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<v Speaker 1>was looking over this earlier where I'm like, she was

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<v Speaker 1>born a rich, spoiled girl. Yes, we're gonna talk about

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<v Speaker 1>that a little bit more at the end. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just it's one of those times where you particularly these

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<v Speaker 1>times in prison that clearly were very transformative for her.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm always like, this is so far removed from probably

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<v Speaker 1>what anyone who knew her as a child thought her

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<v Speaker 1>life path would be. Throughout all of this violence was

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<v Speaker 1>going on in Ireland, including another Bloody Sunday, this one

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<v Speaker 1>on November twenty one, which started with the assassination of

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<v Speaker 1>several British intelligence officers in Dublin and ended with the

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<v Speaker 1>Royal Irish Constabulary British Auxiliary Division police killing at least

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen spectators during a Gaelic football match. On December twenty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>Parliament passed the Government of Ireland Acts that attempted to

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<v Speaker 1>partition Ireland into Northern Ireland and Southern Ireland, with two

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<v Speaker 1>separate parliaments that each had two different home rule jurisdictions,

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<v Speaker 1>but because of this ongoing violence and the Irish War

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<v Speaker 1>of Independence, this never really went into effect in the

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<v Speaker 1>southern part of Ireland. Instead, just under a year later,

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<v Speaker 1>after lengthy negotiations, representatives of the British Government and of

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<v Speaker 1>the Irish Republic signed the Anglo Irish Treaty, which established

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<v Speaker 1>what had formally been designated as Southern Ireland as the

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<v Speaker 1>Irish Free State Constance. Markovic, Aimon de Valera and many

0:26:51.359 --> 0:26:55.240
<v Speaker 1>other Irish nationalists did not agree with this treaty. They

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<v Speaker 1>wanted Ireland to be its own self governing republic, but

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<v Speaker 1>the Anglo Irish Treaty set up an Irish free state

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<v Speaker 1>within the British Empire. Members of the Free States Parliament

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<v Speaker 1>were also required to take an oath of allegiance to

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<v Speaker 1>the Crown, which its most nationalist members, including Markovitch, refused

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<v Speaker 1>to do. There was a walkout of like this. The

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<v Speaker 1>treaty was ultimately passed on the Irish side by a

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<v Speaker 1>kind of narrow majority, and there was a mass walkout

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<v Speaker 1>of the people who didn't agree with it after it

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<v Speaker 1>had been signed. Markovitch left Ireland for a time after

0:27:31.720 --> 0:27:34.280
<v Speaker 1>the signing of the Anglo Irish Treaty. She traveled both

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<v Speaker 1>to Paris and then to the United States, and there

0:27:37.040 --> 0:27:41.119
<v Speaker 1>she went on a lecture tour to support total Irish independence.

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<v Speaker 1>When she got home, she found that Ireland once again

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<v Speaker 1>was being struck by violence, now in the Irish Civil War,

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<v Speaker 1>which was between Irish Republicans and Irish nationalists. These are

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<v Speaker 1>people that had previously been mostly on the same side,

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<v Speaker 1>now against one another. Markovitch, who was now fifty four,

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<v Speaker 1>joined the nationalist cause once again, taking up arms as

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<v Speaker 1>a sniper. In ninety three, she was arrested and imprisoned again.

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<v Speaker 1>Many of the Irish nationalists imprisoned at the time had

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<v Speaker 1>started a hunger strike, which Markovitch joined as soon as

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<v Speaker 1>she was incarcerated. She fasted for three days, at which

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<v Speaker 1>point the strike was called off because of the death

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<v Speaker 1>of one of the participants. She was released from her

0:28:25.640 --> 0:28:31.520
<v Speaker 1>final incarceration on Christmas Eve nine. Out of prison, Constance

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<v Speaker 1>Markovitch was really disappointed in what Ireland had become. She

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<v Speaker 1>had envisioned a free Ireland that would be a radical

0:28:39.320 --> 0:28:43.560
<v Speaker 1>workers democracy, and instead they add this Irish free state

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<v Speaker 1>that was still part of the British Empire, even to

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<v Speaker 1>the point of having to have an oath of allegiance

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<v Speaker 1>to the Crown if you were going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>member of its parliament. She was also disappointed that a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the social hierarchies were in place now as

0:28:57.240 --> 0:29:01.040
<v Speaker 1>had been before. She started turning her attention to local

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<v Speaker 1>politics and service, including working with the Wrath Minds Urban

0:29:04.640 --> 0:29:07.960
<v Speaker 1>Council to build wash houses and public baths to serve

0:29:08.000 --> 0:29:11.200
<v Speaker 1>the four hundred thousand residents who did not have running

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<v Speaker 1>water in their homes. In ninety six, she joined Phiena Foil,

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<v Speaker 1>the newly established Irish Republican Party, which had split off

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<v Speaker 1>from shin Fain. She continued to be politically active for

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of her life. She died in Dublin on

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<v Speaker 1>July fifteenth, nine seven, not long after she had had

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<v Speaker 1>an appendectomy. Casimir and Stanislaus were both with her when

0:29:32.560 --> 0:29:35.320
<v Speaker 1>she died, although at that point she was estranged from

0:29:35.360 --> 0:29:38.800
<v Speaker 1>her daughter Mayeve. Her sister Ava died the year before,

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<v Speaker 1>having spent most of her life dedicated to social and

0:29:41.480 --> 0:29:45.520
<v Speaker 1>political issues, working with her lifelong partner Esther Roper, who

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<v Speaker 1>she had been with since eighteen ninety six. Constance's funeral

0:29:49.520 --> 0:29:52.440
<v Speaker 1>was attended by thousands of people, with a procession that

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<v Speaker 1>took hours to pass. After her death and really before. Frankly,

0:29:58.560 --> 0:30:01.360
<v Speaker 1>people had a lot of disparaiting comments to make about

0:30:01.880 --> 0:30:06.240
<v Speaker 1>Constance Markovitch. Playwright Sean O'Casey, who was in the Irish

0:30:06.280 --> 0:30:09.720
<v Speaker 1>Citizen Army with her, called her a quote Catherine Wheel

0:30:09.880 --> 0:30:15.360
<v Speaker 1>of irresponsibility. Judge William Evelyn Wiley, who was present at

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<v Speaker 1>her court martial, later on wrote of it, saying that

0:30:18.160 --> 0:30:21.000
<v Speaker 1>she had curled up completely and cried a lot and

0:30:21.040 --> 0:30:23.360
<v Speaker 1>said things like I'm only a woman and you cannot

0:30:23.360 --> 0:30:27.760
<v Speaker 1>shoot a woman, basically moaning the whole time. Official court

0:30:27.800 --> 0:30:30.840
<v Speaker 1>records say the opposite. They say that she actually stood

0:30:30.880 --> 0:30:34.280
<v Speaker 1>up to the court. In her account, she said in

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<v Speaker 1>court that she had fought for Ireland's independence during Easter

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<v Speaker 1>Week and was as ready to die for it now

0:30:39.920 --> 0:30:44.680
<v Speaker 1>as she had been then. Her correspondence during her incarcerations,

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<v Speaker 1>which were I mean this correspondence was consistently steadfast and

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<v Speaker 1>resolute and sometimes even optimistic, also suggests that like a

0:30:52.320 --> 0:30:55.200
<v Speaker 1>teary breakdown and a bunch of moaning in court would

0:30:55.200 --> 0:30:58.920
<v Speaker 1>have been completely out of character for her. Basically, in

0:30:58.960 --> 0:31:01.720
<v Speaker 1>the years after her she was criticized as being a

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<v Speaker 1>rich dilettante who was just doing all of this work

0:31:04.160 --> 0:31:08.720
<v Speaker 1>for attention. There are, of course, some very legitimate conversations

0:31:08.760 --> 0:31:11.200
<v Speaker 1>to be had about her work, like whether it is

0:31:11.280 --> 0:31:13.920
<v Speaker 1>right to arm young boys and indoctrinate them as a

0:31:13.960 --> 0:31:18.800
<v Speaker 1>separatist paramilitary unit, or whether her unyielding insistence on total

0:31:18.880 --> 0:31:23.160
<v Speaker 1>independence for Ireland was ultimately divisive. I was not what

0:31:23.240 --> 0:31:27.440
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the criticism was about, though it was about, uh,

0:31:27.520 --> 0:31:29.840
<v Speaker 1>but what she wore, that she had in my nice

0:31:29.920 --> 0:31:32.760
<v Speaker 1>uniform made for herself, that she had a portrait made

0:31:32.760 --> 0:31:35.320
<v Speaker 1>of herself with her gun. Like. People made a big

0:31:35.360 --> 0:31:37.640
<v Speaker 1>deal out of things that she was wearing and the

0:31:37.680 --> 0:31:39.720
<v Speaker 1>way that she talked, and the fact that she had

0:31:39.760 --> 0:31:44.800
<v Speaker 1>come from rich affluence. Uh. And the whole only doing

0:31:44.840 --> 0:31:47.880
<v Speaker 1>it for attention claim, I think is one that you

0:31:47.960 --> 0:31:52.240
<v Speaker 1>mainly hear about women and children. Uh, and also doesn't

0:31:52.240 --> 0:31:57.200
<v Speaker 1>really jive with having gone to prison repeatedly and been

0:31:57.200 --> 0:32:00.959
<v Speaker 1>on hunger strikes and done hard labor. Like none of

0:32:01.000 --> 0:32:04.040
<v Speaker 1>that really adds up to, oh, just doing it for attention,

0:32:04.240 --> 0:32:11.400
<v Speaker 1>which is gendered and dismissive comments make in the first place. Uh.

0:32:11.520 --> 0:32:16.120
<v Speaker 1>Some of the criticisms along those lines have softened in

0:32:16.240 --> 0:32:19.120
<v Speaker 1>the decades since her death, and a portrait of her

0:32:19.280 --> 0:32:21.520
<v Speaker 1>was presented to the Speaker of the House of Commons

0:32:21.520 --> 0:32:25.440
<v Speaker 1>on February. At least it was announced that was going

0:32:25.480 --> 0:32:28.440
<v Speaker 1>to happen. I did not find an article saying that, yes,

0:32:28.480 --> 0:32:32.280
<v Speaker 1>it actually did. Um. It was part The presentation of

0:32:32.320 --> 0:32:35.800
<v Speaker 1>that portrait was part of the year long celebration of

0:32:35.840 --> 0:32:39.480
<v Speaker 1>the Representation of the People Act of nineteen eighteen, which

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<v Speaker 1>became law on February sixth of that year and gave

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<v Speaker 1>um all men over twenty one and all women property

0:32:46.120 --> 0:32:49.160
<v Speaker 1>owners over the edge of thirty the right to vote.

0:32:49.280 --> 0:32:53.640
<v Speaker 1>So it was part of a suffrage celebration. Do you

0:32:53.680 --> 0:32:57.880
<v Speaker 1>have a listener mail for us? I knew I have

0:32:58.040 --> 0:33:01.000
<v Speaker 1>listener mail that came from a parcel because I had

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<v Speaker 1>the uh, the opportunity to be the one opening the

0:33:05.000 --> 0:33:09.600
<v Speaker 1>mail recently, which doesn't happen all that often. It's from Angela,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a long letter, so I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 1>read all of it. But Angela starts by saying, first

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<v Speaker 1>of all, thank you so much for all the work

0:33:15.840 --> 0:33:17.760
<v Speaker 1>you do. I have so much fun listening to all

0:33:17.760 --> 0:33:19.760
<v Speaker 1>the gems of information that you share with us on

0:33:19.760 --> 0:33:22.320
<v Speaker 1>the podcast. I feel like a long time listener, even

0:33:22.360 --> 0:33:26.239
<v Speaker 1>though I've only been listening for about six months. And

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<v Speaker 1>then she goes on to talk about where she works

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<v Speaker 1>and why she sent us delicious grandola. Thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>the delicious grandola. Fortunately I was able to get the

0:33:38.560 --> 0:33:45.520
<v Speaker 1>granola through airport security. Uh, there was a granola bag search.

0:33:46.240 --> 0:33:48.800
<v Speaker 1>Angela goes on to say that she has been listening

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<v Speaker 1>to all of the podcasts in order, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>feat and I salute you. She's currently at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of and she sent a few thoughts about the prior

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<v Speaker 1>episodes on Cokia and on the Ghost Army, and then

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<v Speaker 1>went on to say, I would also like to take

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<v Speaker 1>a moment to thank you for the episodes on Frankie

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<v Speaker 1>Manning and the Lyndy Hoppers. I've been part of a

0:34:07.160 --> 0:34:09.640
<v Speaker 1>ballroom dance world for the last six or seven years,

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<v Speaker 1>so hearing about the history of dances in that sphere

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<v Speaker 1>was amazing. You would think that after spending that much

0:34:14.680 --> 0:34:17.800
<v Speaker 1>time enjoying East Coast swing with various other styles of dance,

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<v Speaker 1>that I would have at least learned about the origins

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<v Speaker 1>of swing being an African American culture, But no, I

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<v Speaker 1>feel ashamed to admit that until that point I had

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<v Speaker 1>always associated big band music and swing dance with Fred

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<v Speaker 1>Astaire and Ginger Rogers. Thank you for enlightening me to

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<v Speaker 1>something that I not only missed in history class, but

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<v Speaker 1>in dance class as well. She talks a bit more

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<v Speaker 1>and concludes, thank you again for all the hard work

0:34:42.800 --> 0:34:45.319
<v Speaker 1>you put introducing the podcast. You really make history come

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<v Speaker 1>alive in such an enjoyable way. The broad spectrum of

0:34:48.560 --> 0:34:50.880
<v Speaker 1>subjects you cover our mind blowing and I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, a couple of weeks ago, I found out

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<v Speaker 1>that my grandfather is a great grand student of Franz

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<v Speaker 1>List and the only reason I knew that was because

0:35:00.360 --> 0:35:03.160
<v Speaker 1>of your show. This letter ended up being longer than

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<v Speaker 1>I intended, but I just love you, ladies and everything

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<v Speaker 1>you do. Keep it up, cheers, Angela. Thank you so much,

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<v Speaker 1>Angela uh for this I um. I admire the fortitude

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<v Speaker 1>of people who were listening to the entire show all

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<v Speaker 1>the way through the archive, and I also loved it.

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