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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys Select Aziel Elliott and now your hosts Dane Brugler,
Speaker 1: David Hellman, and Brian brought us well. Welcome to the
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Speaker 1: along with my Scottie buddies, Dane Brugler, David Hellman and
Speaker 1: Kent Garrison Executive producing. Today. Guys, we are in Mobile, Alabama.
Speaker 1: Once again. Every year, it seems like our setup gets
Speaker 1: a little bit better. Yeah, we've gone from being in
Speaker 1: a bus we were Winnebago one year to like a
Speaker 1: closet one time. I felt like and yeah, we got
Speaker 1: some nice digs and we are excited about being here
Speaker 1: with you guys in Mobile, Alabama. The UH the seventh,
Speaker 1: the seventieth uh Reese's Senior Bowl and had practice today.
Speaker 1: We had the North South practice. The coaches for the
Speaker 1: practice on the South team will be the San Francisco
Speaker 1: forty nine ers and then on the North team would
Speaker 1: be the Oakland Raiders with John Gruden and that bunch.
Speaker 1: So we just got done with watching both practices Dane Burglar,
Speaker 1: David Hellman. We had a way in this morning as well,
Speaker 1: and this is kind of the way things, you know,
Speaker 1: Dan and Dave, we've been working on these these numbers
Speaker 1: that are like estimates, maybe non verified numbers. I guess
Speaker 1: you would say, you know, and now you have an
Speaker 1: idea with some of the players that Okay, Drew Locke
Speaker 1: is this big, he's this tall, he weighs this much,
Speaker 1: his hand size is this, you know, instead of being
Speaker 1: kind of at a guessing mode, I rolled over in
Speaker 1: my bed at like, I don't know, it's probably like
Speaker 1: seven fifteen this morning, seven thirty. I've rolled over in
Speaker 1: my bed like I haven't even thought about starting my day.
Speaker 1: Dane's already tweeting hand sizes from the conversation. That's why
Speaker 1: that's where I'm gonna focus on draft season. Well, we'll
Speaker 1: focus let's let's and and Dane. You know, there's there's
Speaker 1: This is a good roster players. This is a good roster.
Speaker 1: We talked about it last week on the Draft Show.
Speaker 1: This is a good roster of of players, but kind
Speaker 1: of some of the names of guys, the big name
Speaker 1: guys kind of go through some of the heights and
Speaker 1: weights of those guys, some of the hand size guys
Speaker 1: that you maybe thought like, Okay, that guy looks like
Speaker 1: this on film, but actually he's really this, and it
Speaker 1: might affect how you evaluate these players going forward. Well,
Speaker 1: it's funny. Nothing gets people more triggered than quarterback hands.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, that's the combine one time. Oh and we'll
Speaker 1: get it again this year and I going to Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Listen exactly golf. Yeah, hand size is something that it's
Speaker 1: more of a threshold thing, you know, just think of
Speaker 1: it like this, you know, if you have bigger hands,
Speaker 1: better grip on the football, better quarterball. Yeah, and people get,
Speaker 1: you know, really up in arms about it, and I
Speaker 1: get it. Look, Jared Goff had nine inchants he's doing okay,
Speaker 1: he's you know, one of two teams two quarterbacks still
Speaker 1: playing football. Patrick Mahomes is only nine in a quarter,
Speaker 1: I believe, and for a lot of teams, nine in
Speaker 1: a quarters kind of the cutoff. Well, Drew Locke came
Speaker 1: in at nine flat for those that don't know hand measure,
Speaker 1: flat flat surface, pinky thumb. Nine inches for Drew lock
Speaker 1: which is not the hand across the hand. Not a
Speaker 1: great number. And does that mean he's gonna fall and no,
Speaker 1: but you know it's something that could be a separator
Speaker 1: if Denver broncos of Daniel Jones and Drew Lock very closely.
Speaker 1: Hand size is something that will come up when they
Speaker 1: talk about debating the two players. So quarterback hand size
Speaker 1: is uh, you know, it is what it is NFL
Speaker 1: team's care and that's why it matters. That's why we're
Speaker 1: talking about it. A few of the other bigger names
Speaker 1: that you know the important way ins Montes Sweat from
Speaker 1: Mississippi State. Yeah, you know that. By the way, that
Speaker 1: kid physically looks good. Oh yeah, and he and he
Speaker 1: played good today too in the practice. He had a
Speaker 1: strong practice. Yeah. Yeah. He came in officially at six
Speaker 1: six six h six zero six six flat. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: remember the great players that I will always remember the
Speaker 1: great play Well. We knew he was tall, we knew
Speaker 1: who was lean. How long was he? Thirty five and
Speaker 1: five eighths inch arms? Yeah, that's ridiculous, and we saw
Speaker 1: that today during practice. Uh, use that long arm, Use
Speaker 1: that length, get into the body of blockers, yes, and
Speaker 1: kind of impose his will. So that length is a
Speaker 1: big part of what he does. And you saw that
Speaker 1: on tape. We saw today in practice, and we saw
Speaker 1: it at the way ends this morning. Dave the defensive end.
Speaker 1: So we've kind of talked about maybe this might be
Speaker 1: a little bit of a draft about defensive end sweat.
Speaker 1: We have to think maybe a top ten player on
Speaker 1: on on on your board, surely, right, I think he's
Speaker 1: top twenty, top twenty. Okay, but you're talking about now.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's probably the highest rated guy. He yes,
Speaker 1: he has the highest seas so okay, now he comes
Speaker 1: in six six two fifty two, has a good start.
Speaker 1: Teams are kind of getting an idea about him. I mean,
Speaker 1: this there's this is draft has some pretty good rushers though.
Speaker 1: I actually I like to see. I'm like, I'm glad
Speaker 1: that he's here Senior Bowl working out. I love I feel,
Speaker 1: you know, I feel it was definitely a trend for
Speaker 1: a couple of years that, uh, you know, guys were
Speaker 1: avoiding the Senior Bowl. Yeah, and I feel like they
Speaker 1: managed to flip it. I don't know if you want
Speaker 1: to give credit to Phil Savage or you know, Jim
Speaker 1: Naggie's in charge now. But and you're not gonna get everybody,
Speaker 1: I know, you know, there are some guys that you'd
Speaker 1: like to have here that aren't coming to this game.
Speaker 1: But this is a solid roster, like got and Baker
Speaker 1: Mayfield probably deserves some credit for that. Um, that's a
Speaker 1: good point. But they are they are getting guys to
Speaker 1: attend this game more than I think five or six
Speaker 1: years ago. Everybody benefits. There were only five guys, five
Speaker 1: seniors who declined their invites. Yeah, Josh Allen from Kentucky,
Speaker 1: who's potentially yeah, once he pulled out as Montes sweat
Speaker 1: that you know, kind of his chance. There you go, yeah,
Speaker 1: there you go, right, big opportunity for him. The other
Speaker 1: four that declined their invites DeAndre Baker, the corner from Georgia,
Speaker 1: Christian Wilkins first round out Clemson, the first round, Damien Harris,
Speaker 1: Alabama running back, Harris Campbell, wide receiver Ohio State. So
Speaker 1: those five decided not to be here, and then there
Speaker 1: was another dozen with injuries. But um, you know, today's point.
Speaker 1: For the most part, guys want to be here. Guys
Speaker 1: want to compete, and we saw that today in the
Speaker 1: first practice. Okay, as we as we go through and
Speaker 1: trying to talking about these quarterbacks, the guy I was
Speaker 1: impressed with today was Will Greer throwing the football? Okay,
Speaker 1: I liked Will Grier and immeasurables was right at six
Speaker 1: two and a half and two hundred and eighteen pounds.
Speaker 1: Good start for Will grew today or were you? Were
Speaker 1: you different than me on that it was up and down?
Speaker 1: I mean we saw a ball placement was it seemed
Speaker 1: like to me when he was rolling to his left
Speaker 1: right And it was all about the comfort factor of
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks when you got Kyle shannah and and John
Speaker 1: Gruden making these quarterbacks have to take snaps right, you know,
Speaker 1: and their their footwork. Who sell it? Tyree Jackson, Tyree
Speaker 1: Jackson Buffalo quartered, my goshks like a power forward sixty seven,
Speaker 1: you know. But he's heavy and what he does, he's
Speaker 1: heavy footed, heavy footed, and the mechanics it's all clunky.
Speaker 1: It is kind of clunky. Look Flunky's the exact word
Speaker 1: I wrote down. So that's that's a worry about to
Speaker 1: watch with him. Honestly, the first day of practice, I
Speaker 1: don't focus as much on the quarterbacks just because it's
Speaker 1: it's it's the hardest position to really throw him in
Speaker 1: the mix. And you know, when the wide receivers are
Speaker 1: never thrown to new coaching this type of setting. I
Speaker 1: usually give them a practice, get their feet wet, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, get them comfortable. And so who do you
Speaker 1: watch on the first day, everybody, he's gonna tell you
Speaker 1: a short receiver from you. Mass' is who he's gonna test.
Speaker 1: And well, he was tapping me. He was, folks, he
Speaker 1: was tapping me during the during the practice. Wat watch
Speaker 1: he was, you know, creating separation at will with that
Speaker 1: quick He had some quick I'll tell you watch he had.
Speaker 1: When you see this guy live, he's got some quickness
Speaker 1: to him. You could no one can come from him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true. And that's you guys are gonna beat me
Speaker 1: down on this pick at fifty eight, which well, I
Speaker 1: don't know. You might be right, we don't might be right,
Speaker 1: but but his measurables now again scout man. Scout man
Speaker 1: saw twenty nine and a half on three US twenty Okay,
Speaker 1: what were the hands eight and a half? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: Well but your boy Hunter Refro I love so I see,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I can I guess I fall
Speaker 1: in love with Hunter Renfro because he went to school
Speaker 1: at Clemson and he's playing against Alabama and running routes
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and you can probably get him
Speaker 1: in the fifth round. Maybe we can get Hunter Refro.
Speaker 1: I have no idea because I don't he look at
Speaker 1: his measurables. Uh. He probably had the worst way in today.
Speaker 1: He looked like a fraternity guy up there. He is
Speaker 1: a He is a slight built guy. One scout behind
Speaker 1: me said, I used to look like that when in
Speaker 1: sixth grade. Yeah, but he's a guy catches every ball
Speaker 1: he does. But he also has seven and three quarters
Speaker 1: in chance, which the NFL right now, there is not
Speaker 1: a single receiver with seven and three quarters a chance
Speaker 1: there to there, guys there to there. But he does
Speaker 1: to your point, he does catch everything thrown his way.
Speaker 1: And he has that subtle quickness at the top of
Speaker 1: routes where he can you know. Yeah, so and we
Speaker 1: saw that today in practice. So now I'm gonna Hunter
Speaker 1: a Runfro fan. Uh. And Andy Isabelle is just a
Speaker 1: Dandy abel is a different player, There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 1: Andy Isabella is it you guys, You guys are gonna
Speaker 1: beat me down about Andy asbell thing on kind of
Speaker 1: relevant today. This is thank you, Thank you, Dane. This
Speaker 1: is not I know, this is all Now we're gonna
Speaker 1: tie it into our Cowboys here. This is not a
Speaker 1: Cowboys specific necessarily show we don't talk. We cover the
Speaker 1: whole draft. I get it. Thank you, Saint Fans, Buccaneer fans.
Speaker 1: While we were sitting at Arabia, while we were sitting
Speaker 1: at practice today, Cole Beasley hopped on Twitter. Okay, we're
Speaker 1: talking about Cole Beasley because he's an unrestricted free agis
Speaker 1: an unrestricted free agent, and that's how you're gonna get
Speaker 1: Andy as a he is not happy about the role
Speaker 1: that he had on the team. I'm not guessing because
Speaker 1: he told him he first of all, he's been telling
Speaker 1: us that since October. But you know, he goes on
Speaker 1: Twitter today and says, you do damn. Utilization is more
Speaker 1: important than money. He says, Honestly, the front office pushes
Speaker 1: who they want to get the ball too. I haven't
Speaker 1: been a huge priority in that regard. Maybe that will change,
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure. Follows all that up by saying,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm gone, but I want I want
Speaker 1: the rock. According to Cole Beasley, I had a feeling
Speaker 1: that when Scott Linahan was shown the door that Cole
Speaker 1: Beasley's attitude about things would change. That is interesting, and
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like it at all. It doesn't seem
Speaker 1: like it's well. I mean, you don't think it says.
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean I'm gone. I mean I think by
Speaker 1: the writings on the wall, you never you never want
Speaker 1: to rule anything out, because you can go back and
Speaker 1: listen to month's worth of our podcast. Like I ruled
Speaker 1: out the post. We can have parents Williams ever coming back,
Speaker 1: he did, Are we gonna have a show every week
Speaker 1: where it's gonna be they need a slot receiver? Yes,
Speaker 1: because if they don't have Cole Beasley, then they do
Speaker 1: they do they need one Ken Garrison. Not even not
Speaker 1: even at our regular studio. We're on the road and
Speaker 1: Bill and Kent is still pulling out all off. But
Speaker 1: if you're calcar fan, you're nervous. He's not bad. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not nervous, and I don't mean that as any
Speaker 1: disrespect to Cole Beasley, but like, he's a really good player.
Speaker 1: He is a very good player rated, But yeah, he's
Speaker 1: a good player. You can replicate that. You can replicate
Speaker 1: that in the draft, especially if you allocate resources to it,
Speaker 1: like say, if you wanted to spend a top sixty
Speaker 1: pick on a slot receiver. I'm saying there are a
Speaker 1: couple of cool Beasley's out there, there are some cold pieces.
Speaker 1: He's not you, but I do think that's what I
Speaker 1: thought too. It's we say this every year, like the
Speaker 1: narrative is going to change because if any team needs
Speaker 1: a slot receiver, they're slot receivers out there. We're gonna do.
Speaker 1: We're gonna do two months worth of shows after a
Speaker 1: free agency so we'll know. But as it looks right now,
Speaker 1: the starting slot receivers on Tampa, starting slot receivers on
Speaker 1: Twitter today's telling you he's not thrilled about his role
Speaker 1: in this offense. And we're in mobile watching another slot receivers.
Speaker 1: Don't tell me that this isn't a worthwhile topic of conversation. Oh,
Speaker 1: I just don't want to talk about it every week. Okay,
Speaker 1: what do you want to talk about every week? I
Speaker 1: want to talk about me? What do you what do
Speaker 1: you want to talk about? Bruce Anderson a little bit today? Okay,
Speaker 1: this is one of those fun This is a great
Speaker 1: thing about coming to the Senior Bowl. I knew nothing
Speaker 1: about Bruce Anderson. But but I had guys. I had
Speaker 1: guys like Dane. Dane was in a whole other area
Speaker 1: of the weight facility with the heights and weights, and
Speaker 1: I had people talk about They said, Hey, there's this guy,
Speaker 1: this Bruce Anderson, this running back from North Dakota State,
Speaker 1: and I had I had no idea who he was.
Speaker 1: I had no idea who he's. He kind of got
Speaker 1: lost in the shuffles into recruiting because he was born
Speaker 1: in Germany. He is, dad was in the Air Force,
Speaker 1: moved around a lot, so he's a worldly guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's it's something that uh you know.
Speaker 1: He was I think only two years in Florida playing
Speaker 1: high school football, so uh he had some FBS offer
Speaker 1: and Kent State was an offer, but he went North
Speaker 1: Dakota State UM and had a trific career. He might be,
Speaker 1: you know, the top running back I mean here here
Speaker 1: it's you know, oh Dane, I love you when you
Speaker 1: say that, because I mean, look who the top running
Speaker 1: backs here. Damien Harris the Alabama running back. Here. I
Speaker 1: think Dexter Williams from Notre Dame has some jews, a
Speaker 1: big bay. But after that. I think it's wide open
Speaker 1: and so Bruce Anderson's right there in the mix. Bruce
Speaker 1: Anderson could catch the football. He did. He can catch it.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what. He ran it inside a
Speaker 1: couple of times, and he bounced it outside a couple
Speaker 1: of times, playing whoa, whoa? Where did that come from?
Speaker 1: The plant and go quickness is pretty clear. You could
Speaker 1: see that in person. Uh so I think, yeah, Bruce
Speaker 1: Anderson helped himself today. He was a he was he
Speaker 1: was a late ad. He might have been in for
Speaker 1: Miles Gaskin, but regardless, I'm glad he's in Mobile this week.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, though, did you say, Okay, now
Speaker 1: we go running back for the Dallas Cowboys running back
Speaker 1: for anybody? Ye? Well as a need yeah hell yeah
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. It's I mean from a practicality standpoint, yeah,
Speaker 1: Rod Smith's out of contract. From a performance standpoint, he
Speaker 1: didn't blow anybody's mind this past season. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: a big member of the Darius Jackson fan club. Let's
Speaker 1: not just act like they should stand pad on Darius Jackson.
Speaker 1: Yeah so yeah, no, it's it's and they don't have,
Speaker 1: you know, to use the word from Dane like they
Speaker 1: don't have that guy that brings the extra juice, like
Speaker 1: they if Zeke's not on the field, and he can't
Speaker 1: always be on the field. If Zeke's not on the field,
Speaker 1: you're not scared of what the other guys are bringing.
Speaker 1: And so I've heard people throw running back around as
Speaker 1: fifty eight. I hate that. I'm not a fan of that.
Speaker 1: But third round are you afraid of that, Dave? Because
Speaker 1: use your resources wisely. Wait a minute, you guys would
Speaker 1: have drapped. You guys would have drafted what do I
Speaker 1: want to five eight receivers? He's our to start in
Speaker 1: the spot. I just want to hear the passion. I
Speaker 1: just want to once again hear the passion. There's the passion.
Speaker 1: Don't draft a back up with your second round. Let
Speaker 1: me give me a six round pick. I'll find you
Speaker 1: Philip lindsay that, thank you. I mean you did last year, Philip,
Speaker 1: you did. I wouldn't take him a sixth round? You did?
Speaker 1: You found Philip Lindsy starting starting in the fourth round
Speaker 1: is when I'm interested yet. Day three? Yeah? Yeah? Who
Speaker 1: another position that I know you know tight ends Cowboys interests? Well,
Speaker 1: when you go there, I was gonna go defensive tackle.
Speaker 1: But we get both of those. Let's go tight end
Speaker 1: real quick. Were the great spotsors here of the Cowboys
Speaker 1: is the Stetson company, Stetson hat compy. Yeah, they gotta
Speaker 1: they gotta tight end. Do they have a tight end?
Speaker 1: That again, is just fall in love with these day
Speaker 1: three schools. Donald Parum, Right, yeah, Donald part what do
Speaker 1: you mean fall in love this guy? Listen to your voice?
Speaker 1: Was he running routes? Well? Today I thought we were
Speaker 1: talking about tight ends. He's a slot receiver. I mean
Speaker 1: that's what he is. He's six eight, two hundred forty pounds.
Speaker 1: And how about the line of the day by you.
Speaker 1: They had to stop the ceiling fans. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: the measure when they he walked up there, David, he
Speaker 1: it was like, oh my gosh. I mean it was
Speaker 1: like he was just you know they six six eighty
Speaker 1: three yeah, six oh yeah, there's our first scouts measurement
Speaker 1: six eight. He's six eight. And I'll tell you what, though,
Speaker 1: I thought he was gonna be kind of clunky running,
Speaker 1: you know and all that. That's why he's not a
Speaker 1: tight end. He's a he's a slot receiver because he's
Speaker 1: still lead his legs. He's basically a stilts for legs.
Speaker 1: You know, he's a narrow lean. Yeah, he's a big boy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's unbelievable. Man. I thought you were gonna, based on
Speaker 1: you know, I edit your stories. I thought you were
Speaker 1: gonna put on your Homer hat. Yeah, for our LSU
Speaker 1: guy today, Foster. That's what I was trying to get to. Well,
Speaker 1: I was trying to because like that we talked about
Speaker 1: when Kat and Jeff and I sat down and watched
Speaker 1: Tight Ends, it was it was Dak Raymond. Yeah, from
Speaker 1: Utah State. Big fan of him, big fan of his,
Speaker 1: you know. And there was one time though he got
Speaker 1: covered pretty well. But other of that, I thought everything
Speaker 1: else separation wise, was pretty good. But okay, Foster Moreau,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, he slid and nothing. That's what he is.
Speaker 1: I can't get I like him, No, No, I like him.
Speaker 1: I just don't think he's a average in any one area,
Speaker 1: but he's But I think he's good in every area.
Speaker 1: You know. I thought he had a good day. And
Speaker 1: I'm not just Sam because he's an LSU guy, But
Speaker 1: I thought today of Dak Raymond, he was better than
Speaker 1: Dak Raymond. I Honestly, I thought all the tight ends
Speaker 1: did pretty well. You're you're right about the stats and guys,
Speaker 1: we're all on there on that par him and I mean,
Speaker 1: I thought Oliver had a nice day. Raymond. I didn't
Speaker 1: notice Sweeney. I didn't notice him the BC kid, No, Tommy,
Speaker 1: I didn't notice him as much. No, I didn't either.
Speaker 1: But these coaches will use some tight ends on you, Roster.
Speaker 1: I thought the three tights. These coaches will use some
Speaker 1: tight ends. Yeah, especially I mean, geez, the forty nine ers.
Speaker 1: The forty nine ers want everybody on the field but
Speaker 1: the receivers. Yeah, and like give me the fullbacks and
Speaker 1: the tight ends. Yeah. Yeah, I tell you what I was.
Speaker 1: I was a big h I was a fando of
Speaker 1: of what I saw today from these tight ends. So
Speaker 1: how about another position? I'm I mean, I'm spitting I'm
Speaker 1: spitting names out there. Can I get you to fall
Speaker 1: in love with David Long? Linebacker? Inside linebacker from West Virginia.
Speaker 1: We were talking about Hunter Renfro and how teams are
Speaker 1: going to you know, look at the measurables, and you know,
Speaker 1: at what point do you look past the just being
Speaker 1: a football player? Exactly? Yeah, gritted teeth. Well, that's what
Speaker 1: David Long. He's Oh, yes, the length do you worry
Speaker 1: about the length? Half but at thirty and three quarters
Speaker 1: any arms, which is for a linebacker you want at
Speaker 1: least thirty two at least not no. But again, but
Speaker 1: he's a good football player and he showed that today.
Speaker 1: He plays fast, he plays physical, but at the same
Speaker 1: time he's controlled. I mean, he can bear, he can cover,
Speaker 1: he could cover space. Yeah, he's a good player. Get
Speaker 1: in space and the knocked off hand, you know, and
Speaker 1: then the next thing you know, they're trying to run
Speaker 1: the ball wide and there's this West Virginia helmet flying
Speaker 1: through the middle of maybe the ultimate Uh you know
Speaker 1: this it's not there. You know, it sounds good, but
Speaker 1: it's really not that big of a deal. He was
Speaker 1: a Big twelve Defensive Player of the Year, which again
Speaker 1: in a conference that doesn't play defense. Big defense facts.
Speaker 1: I know, they don't play defense. But again, he's a
Speaker 1: good player, and he's gonna be in this league because
Speaker 1: he's just darn good a competitive football player. But what's
Speaker 1: a value can he start? Still questions we have to
Speaker 1: figure out with him. This guy's a legitimate I mean
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward after what I saw today. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to the film. Stay there, he Dan,
Speaker 1: I don't. Leaned over to Dana said what about this kid?
Speaker 1: He said, you like the film? The problem is everything
Speaker 1: that he said, short arm, short body. You know, but
Speaker 1: what at what point in time? At what point in
Speaker 1: time do you take this guy? Okay? People were wearing
Speaker 1: me out on Twitter today about defensive tackles. Oh, oh, best,
Speaker 1: the best. Some of the best players I saw today
Speaker 1: were defensive tackles. Really yes, okay, Tell mentioned, uh the
Speaker 1: defensive line with sweat sec defensive linement. Daylon Mack from
Speaker 1: A and M. How do people, oh fantastic? Describe his day? Then?
Speaker 1: For everybody, Well, because he's a squatty guy, Well he is,
Speaker 1: he's square. I saw him at media day and he
Speaker 1: looks like the proverbial trash can full of dirt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's got his picture is it's like he's it's no neck,
Speaker 1: he's just his heads on his shoulders kind of a thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: In my notes, I have a fire hydrant. I mean
Speaker 1: that's what he is. But he can do if he's
Speaker 1: a he's he uses that lower that that low leverage
Speaker 1: to his advantage. So he has that initial quickness, he
Speaker 1: can surge off the line of scrimmage, get underneath the
Speaker 1: pads of blockers and bully him. He got the Alabama center.
Speaker 1: I just destroyed him, went right through him on one
Speaker 1: rep and then the next rep got him with quickness
Speaker 1: around off his shoulder. So he has a lot to
Speaker 1: offer with just the natural torque that he can you know,
Speaker 1: give you from the hips from his lower body. Uh,
Speaker 1: that initial quickness off the ball. I think Dalen Mack
Speaker 1: with what he did as a senior because he was
Speaker 1: really an underperformer Aggie's Aggie fans will tell you, you
Speaker 1: know first how how much you underperformed earlier in his career. Right,
Speaker 1: really came on as a senior, played better and better
Speaker 1: as the season went on, continued that momentum this week.
Speaker 1: Uh in Mobile so far with practice one, he was
Speaker 1: one of the best players I saw today. Did you
Speaker 1: notice did you notice Greg Gaines at all? From from Washington?
Speaker 1: It was hard not too because he had a good day.
Speaker 1: But he's another one that he's a short. He's a
Speaker 1: short daddy, Hano. What am I doing? I'm liking all
Speaker 1: these short players tonight? Well, Hey, I give you another
Speaker 1: guy in the ball man Greg Gaines, defensive tackle, University
Speaker 1: of Washington. I thought, on the one on one stuff
Speaker 1: he was they couldn't block him, and then they got
Speaker 1: into the where they were the double team him a
Speaker 1: little bit, and it was a little bit. If you
Speaker 1: like a short daddy, and I mean short daddy, like
Speaker 1: a six one, three hundred and seven pound guy, right,
Speaker 1: he's he's that guy. Well and sticking with PAC twelve
Speaker 1: interior defensive lineman Ronnell Wren from Arizona State. Guy, he
Speaker 1: turned me onto this guy. He's raw. He's very raw,
Speaker 1: very raw. But when you're talking about six to four,
Speaker 1: three hundred fifteen pound frame with decens almost thirty, his
Speaker 1: ability that first step quickness is exceptional. And then he's
Speaker 1: got the upper body where he's going to beat you
Speaker 1: up with his arms, with his punch. So it's a
Speaker 1: great place to start. First step quickness, upper body strength
Speaker 1: at that size. Give me that, and you know those
Speaker 1: are the traits that NFL teams look for. Renell Wren's
Speaker 1: gonna go I think a lot highering people realize say
Speaker 1: that name again, because that's one of those ones where
Speaker 1: when it when it happens then I'll be able to
Speaker 1: say when he gets picked at when he gets picked
Speaker 1: at forty one, right exactly, then I'll say Dame Burglar
Speaker 1: had that guy January twenty second, Dane had that guy
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl right watching him today because like
Speaker 1: the tape, you see the flashes, and I watched the
Speaker 1: tape with you. Oh yeah, we did hit Yeah, turn
Speaker 1: me onto me and they're like, what do you think
Speaker 1: of this guy? I'm like, man, he flashes at you
Speaker 1: and then you're like going, and you say, I'm like,
Speaker 1: he goes. He's at the Senior Bowl. You get to
Speaker 1: see him live. It's great to see the tape and
Speaker 1: then watch these guys move around live. Absolutely, Oh I
Speaker 1: see you know it, Scouts. I mean, I see why
Speaker 1: they love it so much. I just I love this.
Speaker 1: I love this way too much. Okay, yeah, I love
Speaker 1: this way too much. Okay, Hey, when we come back,
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Speaker 1: periscope as well. I'm gonna kind of dig some questions
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Speaker 1: got some stuff, Dane's got some stuff. We'll be right
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Speaker 1: twil All right, go ahead, David, here's the one from
Speaker 1: Sam Figure. This is a guy we talked about leading
Speaker 1: into the Senior Bowl. I bet you he'll come up anyway,
Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna get it out of the way.
Speaker 1: Rock Yes scene. I hope I said that, right, Dane. Yeah, good,
Speaker 1: I got us enough. Yeah, which guy that a lot
Speaker 1: of people have already talked about. I'm curious speak about
Speaker 1: the way in I saw he went from six two
Speaker 1: in Temple's books to five eleven. And but just in general,
Speaker 1: what are you guys? What do you guys think? He
Speaker 1: had a nice battle with Debo Samuel today. They both
Speaker 1: got the other at times. Debo did a nice job stacking,
Speaker 1: getting over the top, tracking football into his hands. Uh.
Speaker 1: With with Rock, he did a nice job getting physical,
Speaker 1: and that's his game. He's a physical corner who when
Speaker 1: I talked to him back in September, he told me
Speaker 1: that his junior year in high school, he thought he's
Speaker 1: gonna be an Olympic wrestler. I mean that was his game.
Speaker 1: Senior year, starts playing football. Next thing you know, he's
Speaker 1: going to Presbyterian. Presbyterian going to a non scholarship division,
Speaker 1: so he transfers a Temple for a senior year. Next
Speaker 1: thing you know, NFL scouts beating down his door. He's
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl and there's there's a lot to
Speaker 1: like him out. He might be the best cornerback in
Speaker 1: this draft. With his back to the ball, I think
Speaker 1: he does a really nice job feeling what's going on,
Speaker 1: reading the receiver, getting his head turned and making a play. Um.
Speaker 1: You see that a lot on his tape, and I
Speaker 1: think you saw that a little bit here today. So
Speaker 1: Rocky us into me is the top corner here, Uh,
Speaker 1: probably the number two senior corner behind DeAndre Baker from Georgia,
Speaker 1: but a good chance that he's gonna go somewhere in
Speaker 1: that top fifty top sixty mix. You said he plays
Speaker 1: well with his back to the to the ball. Explain
Speaker 1: that to maybe some people the first time you're watching stuff.
Speaker 1: It's kind of a scouting term and stuff like that. Well,
Speaker 1: you gotta explain a little bit about it. It takes savvy,
Speaker 1: it takes instincts. You have to have a really good
Speaker 1: feel for it because playing cornerback is not just about
Speaker 1: being fast, and you know, having great length helps. It helps, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's it's like you're it's like a dance. You know,
Speaker 1: you have to be coordinated with your movement. You have
Speaker 1: to be instinctive, you know, from the from the neck
Speaker 1: up in terms of reading routes and understanding what the
Speaker 1: receivers trying to do. So I think he does a
Speaker 1: really nice job of playing within himself and understanding his strengths.
Speaker 1: And that's uh, the ball awareness and getting physical, and
Speaker 1: so we saw that tell on his tape. We saw
Speaker 1: that to a good fit for a team that's looking
Speaker 1: to do what I mean, I think he could play
Speaker 1: cover two. I think he could, you know, get physical
Speaker 1: at the Lanta scrimmage and play you know, press man. Uh,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have I mean, you're going to see at
Speaker 1: the combine. What're we talking about him? A lot of
Speaker 1: the combine? What he runs like that? Well? Is he
Speaker 1: a four or five two guy getting the four four
Speaker 1: long speed? You go to find that as well. So
Speaker 1: Rock you sends a player we'll be talking about throughout
Speaker 1: the process. You Caleb, he must have read y'all's minds
Speaker 1: from the top of the show, because we did dedicate
Speaker 1: some time to Bruce Anderson. But he wants to talk
Speaker 1: about under the radar running backs here in Mobile. Bruce
Speaker 1: probably fits that. Bill or maybe Dexter Williams, or if
Speaker 1: there's somebody else that y'all have noticed, how about Slippery
Speaker 1: rock An You're gonna go se Division two West Hills.
Speaker 1: He's got a fascinating backstory because he was at Delaware
Speaker 1: and then but at Delaware a couple of years injury
Speaker 1: and to the season last year Academics, and what happened
Speaker 1: was his clock ran out at the at the Division
Speaker 1: one level, so he had to get out of there
Speaker 1: and transfer. It goes to Slippery Rock, sets a single
Speaker 1: season rushing record there. And this is another example. Dayaln
Speaker 1: Mack and we mentioned earlier, went to the Shrine Game,
Speaker 1: had a great week, got to call up and that's
Speaker 1: happened to a few guys. This week happened with West Hills,
Speaker 1: had a great week at the Shrine Game last week
Speaker 1: in Tampa and Saint Pete's comes here and I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what he's He's got a lot of fans in
Speaker 1: the scouting community. Um, you know, I don't know how
Speaker 1: everyone feels or you know, I haven't pulled teams or
Speaker 1: tried to dig too much on him just yet, but
Speaker 1: talking to a few scouts, they really like him. Uh
Speaker 1: foot quickness, toughness, he runs with energy. I worry about
Speaker 1: ball security, that was an issue for him on US tape.
Speaker 1: But there's something to this guy, and so I'm eager
Speaker 1: to see throughout the week how he does. And that's
Speaker 1: that's a big thing here. Practice getting better from day
Speaker 1: to day each day from Tuesday to Wednesday, to Thursday,
Speaker 1: taking the coaching that you're receiving and showing it on
Speaker 1: the football field. And for running backs, it's tough to
Speaker 1: perform here because it's you know, you don't really get
Speaker 1: a chance to show as pro That's what I was
Speaker 1: going to ask you tomorrow when we get the full pads.
Speaker 1: Are we gonna see him be a complete back or
Speaker 1: we're gonna see him be a guy that they're they're
Speaker 1: coaching him up how to how to be a passage?
Speaker 1: That will definitely be a storyline we watched tomorrow and Thursday, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, tomorrow's practice has been moved to South
Speaker 1: Alabama's indoor facility. Okay, so we can't watch the practice
Speaker 1: in right still, that's up up in the air because
Speaker 1: it's a smaller area. So we don't know yet we'll
Speaker 1: be able to get in, will they They've been talk
Speaker 1: about maybe broadcasting it, but even that's you know, technical
Speaker 1: equipment getting in there. So it's all up in the
Speaker 1: air at this point. We won't wait and see you
Speaker 1: tomorrow what they say. The organizers aren't stressed about that
Speaker 1: at all. Yeah, well, but it's a it's a brand new,
Speaker 1: great facility, so the players would be in great shape.
Speaker 1: But for our purposes being selfish, it's not a great situation.
Speaker 1: Not a great situation. I did. Each team will probably
Speaker 1: get a couple of rep or a couple of representatives.
Speaker 1: I heard. I heard chatter. You know, each team probably
Speaker 1: gets a couple of scouts in the door. And then
Speaker 1: I think I heard NFL Network and ESPN kind of
Speaker 1: signed off on it, which I would hope or think
Speaker 1: that they wouldn't if they didn't think they were going
Speaker 1: to be able to broadcast. So well, yeah, NFL Network
Speaker 1: is doing the daily practices at the very least, maybe
Speaker 1: we can watch it on TV. Right, that's true. It
Speaker 1: might be a fun little session for us to do. Yes, Okay,
Speaker 1: Uh once again, Dave, we're doing again Twitter on the
Speaker 1: twenty here. How about our appreciate all the questions everybody
Speaker 1: sad Cowboys fan? Oh. I love when people don't use
Speaker 1: their real names. Um linebackers. Uh, and he specifies maybe
Speaker 1: some mid round guys. Everybody everybody wants mid round guys.
Speaker 1: They want a guy that they can steal. Anybody jump
Speaker 1: out to you. Uh, well, and they start at the
Speaker 1: way ends. Terrell Hanks from New Mexico State. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: pointed him out. He won the way in. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: a good looking guy. He wins the Greek God Award
Speaker 1: with Yeah length, pretty good length to uh. He sculpted,
Speaker 1: broad shoulders, long arms, and he wears the opposite to
Speaker 1: me if you could say that same uh he but
Speaker 1: he wears it really well. I mean he's not overly
Speaker 1: tight and bulky, but he's just really athletic and smooth.
Speaker 1: H and he did a nice job. Really. The only
Speaker 1: negative rep I saw from Bruce Anderson was one on
Speaker 1: one with the Hanks when Uh Hanks got physical with
Speaker 1: him off the line of scrimmage. Uh stopped the route,
Speaker 1: controlled the route, and then buried to Anderson into the ground. Uh.
Speaker 1: Athletic kid, he's got some freaky qualities. Terrella Hanks I
Speaker 1: thought was a winner from practice one. Am I gonna
Speaker 1: say the name wrong? Alaka from Texas A and M Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it wrong. No, you got him? Did you see
Speaker 1: anything at six three two forty today? Honestly I did
Speaker 1: not see much of him, That's what I'm saying. How
Speaker 1: does the guy at six three two forty not get noticed? Right? Maybe?
Speaker 1: Is that the way? You know? Is that something that
Speaker 1: we kind of maybe at Texas A and M. And
Speaker 1: I'm no offense to anybody out there with the school
Speaker 1: of Texas A and M. But I would like to
Speaker 1: hope that I would know just a linebacker that's six
Speaker 1: three two forty today. Yeah, yeah, Why did I notice
Speaker 1: a five eleven line not a six three line. I
Speaker 1: don't know if he honestly, if he has draftable tape,
Speaker 1: I don't. He's an okay player. I don't know if
Speaker 1: he's draftable though. But keeping with the linebackers, Bobby Okareky
Speaker 1: from Stanford, Yeah, I saw him a couple of times
Speaker 1: thirty four and three quarters in charms. Yeah, they ridiculous length.
Speaker 1: I don't think he uses it the right way all
Speaker 1: the time. He needs to do a better job keeping
Speaker 1: blockers off him. But he's a he's a twitched up
Speaker 1: athlete with speed closing burst. Oh you saw it today
Speaker 1: because there was one where they tried to run the
Speaker 1: ball wide and he and again he knifed through there
Speaker 1: and made a nice play. If you're talking about the
Speaker 1: top linebackers, top senior linebackers here, I think it's start
Speaker 1: a Jermaine Praft from NZI State to me's a top linebacker.
Speaker 1: And then you talk about Tevon Coney from Notre Dame,
Speaker 1: Bobby Okarecki from Stanford. Those to me are the top
Speaker 1: three linebackers here. Um, but David long And from West
Speaker 1: Virginia I talked about earlier. You know, he wants to
Speaker 1: get up there. He wants to it's just oh no,
Speaker 1: you look past the lack of length. I wish he
Speaker 1: was just taller. I really do. I mean, because seriously,
Speaker 1: he could cover. I mean, he could cover, and he
Speaker 1: he's gonna play nickel linebacker for somebody. Might might just
Speaker 1: be a two general there. I just love I don't
Speaker 1: mean to just throw something out there. I just love
Speaker 1: how you take it personally, like it's his fault that
Speaker 1: he's not an inch tall. I take it personally because
Speaker 1: the guy's a hell of a football player. That's why
Speaker 1: I take it personally. Okay, linebacker, we kind of went
Speaker 1: through those guys. We got pads on tomorrow, but we
Speaker 1: won't maybe get to see that as much. Like we're
Speaker 1: going to find a way. Yeah, we'll figure it out.
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones here, We'll just piggyback. Yeah, we talked about this.
Speaker 1: We so again, I like the viewers are reading Yell's minds.
Speaker 1: But we talked about both of these. But okay, so
Speaker 1: the tight ends and the d tackles. Who asked this question,
Speaker 1: by the way, this is Mike. Mike, thank you very much.
Speaker 1: If you've got you know, you're just looking at these
Speaker 1: two positions. Where's their more depth here between those two
Speaker 1: spots linebacker? Right? No, no, no, tight end and D
Speaker 1: tackle in the draft or here I want to talk.
Speaker 1: I mean, we might as well talk about the guys here.
Speaker 1: I was thinking three months to get to the rest
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, I think that when you're talking about
Speaker 1: the tight ends here, defensive tackle to me is stronger
Speaker 1: at the top. Yeah, like guys editing a drafted earlier. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but in terms of middle round depth, that's probably where
Speaker 1: tight end takes over. I kind of was more impressed
Speaker 1: with the tight ends today than I was the defensive tackles.
Speaker 1: And I know Dane flipped it on me the other way,
Speaker 1: so no, but really we were sitting six inches next
Speaker 1: to each other, across from each other, So I thought
Speaker 1: the tight ends had a great day. I really did.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you know, from Foster, my road
Speaker 1: to Josh, all of our Well, let's answer the question, then, Dane,
Speaker 1: if if, in fact, let's take the broad view for everybody.
Speaker 1: Let's take the broad view if a team is looking
Speaker 1: if the Atlanta Falcons fans, or the Tampa Bay fans,
Speaker 1: or the Saints fans, or whoever. I just went through
Speaker 1: the whole NFC South there, sure did, with the exception
Speaker 1: of Carolina, if they're if their fans are looking for
Speaker 1: a defensive tackle, is the depth there or is the more?
Speaker 1: Is the depth better for tight ends if somebody's looking
Speaker 1: for one of those positions, Well, again, we just talk
Speaker 1: my seat your bowl, guys. I'm talking overall, in the
Speaker 1: whole entire draft and the whole draft. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: tight ends the deeper group. Yeah, but I think it's
Speaker 1: a better group overall. Yeah. Well, defensive tackle it kind
Speaker 1: of like what we said. It might have the you know,
Speaker 1: more star, might be a different might be different, right, Well,
Speaker 1: defensive tackle. Yeah, has a Quinnon Williams tight end? I
Speaker 1: mean I love T. J. Hawkinson, but Simmons from Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Simmons and Christian Wilkins. Okay, maybe I should shut up now. Well,
Speaker 1: but what my point is, you know, the tight ends
Speaker 1: don't have that star power in the top ten to
Speaker 1: top fifteen. But once you get past there, once you
Speaker 1: get started about the second third round, I think tight
Speaker 1: end is really deep. But with the juniors that came out,
Speaker 1: the seniors Josh Oliver, the Washington kid, I like a
Speaker 1: lot Drew Sample. Uh. I think both have a chance
Speaker 1: to the top one hundred guys. So if I need
Speaker 1: a tight end this draft as appealing as t. J.
Speaker 1: Hawkinson is, as no offantas in the top thirty or
Speaker 1: forty picks, I might go for a defensive tackle in
Speaker 1: the top thirty or forty because I know it's gonna stretch.
Speaker 1: I feel better about the tight ends I can get
Speaker 1: later on. Drew Sample Washington point is a perfect example.
Speaker 1: Who can block, He can catch up all the backfield.
Speaker 1: So a lot of these guys that could play in line. Yeah,
Speaker 1: those Iowa kids, we talked about them last week. My gosh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a breeding ground just for NFL tight ends. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: no doubt anything else there. Yeah, if you've got time,
Speaker 1: why not. Uh. We we sort of touched on this,
Speaker 1: but I just h Norman best receiver today so far.
Speaker 1: Norman is asking this. Yeah, talked about Debo, We talked,
Speaker 1: We talked about Andy Isabella. I say that's that's the answer.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, And I wrote this on the Athletic
Speaker 1: today about my practice report with coming into the week,
Speaker 1: who was the best receiver? To me? That was a storyline, right,
Speaker 1: who was the best receiver at the Senior Bowl. My
Speaker 1: vote goes to Andy Isabella. But I think there's several
Speaker 1: receivers that we saw today saying hey, hey, not so fast,
Speaker 1: ye Deebo Samuel was one of the I think he's
Speaker 1: in that mix. Anthony Johnson from Buffalo, I think I
Speaker 1: had a good week or good day of practice, started
Speaker 1: off the week. Well, he's got average speed, but he's
Speaker 1: very He might be one of the more polished players here.
Speaker 1: Does a nice job hiding his route, breaking it off,
Speaker 1: you know, working back to the quarterback and finishing really
Speaker 1: like with Anthony Johnson from Buffalo can give you any
Speaker 1: of the other receivers pop out to you. I wrote
Speaker 1: about the sales kid from West Virginia. Yeah, because because
Speaker 1: I saw a couple of times where he made plays
Speaker 1: getting open and he made one along the sidelines. I
Speaker 1: kind of like the body control. I've seen him play
Speaker 1: West Virginia, you know, with a quarterback throwing it up
Speaker 1: to him. And I've always been kind of impressed about him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's something sneaky about the way he plays. I understand
Speaker 1: his dad created a schools right, you know, I mean, yeah, quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: I broadcast a high school game he was part of.
Speaker 1: They played Copel in our local team there, so uh yeah,
Speaker 1: but I he committed to USC in the seventh grade. Yeah,
Speaker 1: as a quarterback. As a quarter he looks like a
Speaker 1: really good athlete. But I don't know if he's fast
Speaker 1: or quick. But you do see him separate and you
Speaker 1: do see him make catches. Yeah, and I do think
Speaker 1: he's quicker than fast. Um, And I just I worry
Speaker 1: about the play strength. I don't think he's strong. I
Speaker 1: don't think you play strong. I think he's I said,
Speaker 1: it's a guy to keep an eye on, though I see,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen. I didn't see the strength. That's that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I didn't see the strength problem. And
Speaker 1: maybe you're up, you're ye. I mean when we when
Speaker 1: we start looking at this, you know that's what that's
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen for a quarterback. He tracks the ball
Speaker 1: extremely well. I think he's very natural judging the ball
Speaker 1: in flight, adjusting course and then finishing deep. We saw
Speaker 1: that today a couple of deep shots I think from
Speaker 1: Will Rear with that natural chemistry. So yeah, and with Sills,
Speaker 1: I think the last two years he has thirty three touchdowns. Yeah,
Speaker 1: most in the FBSC splits. Again, we'll say the pack,
Speaker 1: the big twelve D. That's all crazy. And we talk
Speaker 1: about West Virginia wide receivers, you have to talk about
Speaker 1: the lack of a route tree, you know, and that's
Speaker 1: a that's a big thing lack of is you're a
Speaker 1: guy named Jennings there, West Virginia, Garry Jennings. Okay, the
Speaker 1: question a periscope was who do you like better between
Speaker 1: Sills and Jennings. I'm rolling the dice on on Sills.
Speaker 1: But Jennings is a good player too. I think he's
Speaker 1: got a chance to be a later round pick. But
Speaker 1: with Sills, he's just there's a lot that says he
Speaker 1: shouldn't be a good quarterback or a good wide receiver.
Speaker 1: But he catches, he produces, and so I there's something
Speaker 1: to him that you just you're not going to give
Speaker 1: up on him. And one more question here, Dane, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to because I could talk about this too. Do
Speaker 1: you like the Deeter from Wisconsin? It wasn't a great
Speaker 1: day for him. I didn't think so either. I do
Speaker 1: like him, I do too, but I didn't. I didn't
Speaker 1: think it was a good day for him. No, what's it?
Speaker 1: Charles Amna who from Texas absolutely steam rolled him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: using that who the thirty six and with the three
Speaker 1: quarter in charm something ridiculous. Use that length, went right
Speaker 1: over Deeter and got into the backfield on a one
Speaker 1: on one drill. He did not have a good day,
Speaker 1: but he's talking about a fifty fourth straight starts at question,
Speaker 1: double digit starts a tackle guarden center. Yeah, I had
Speaker 1: some versatility. There's a lot to lago a deater. I
Speaker 1: think he's a potential top fifty pick. Just wasn't a
Speaker 1: good day for him today. Yeah. I ran into a
Speaker 1: couple of Indianapolis Colts scouts and I and I said, listen,
Speaker 1: I apologize to you guys. They looked at me kind
Speaker 1: of funny, like what do you apologize? Before? I said
Speaker 1: Bradon Smith, I go, I didn't think Braden Smith? And
Speaker 1: I go, did you guys have a first round grade
Speaker 1: on Braden Smith? And he goes, No, we didn't. We
Speaker 1: had a second round grade. Yeah, and I said, I
Speaker 1: know you had a first round grade on quentnin Nelson
Speaker 1: for sure, everyone but but but I said so, but
Speaker 1: it was not a first Rondes, No, we didn't have
Speaker 1: a first round grade. But we're really really the thing
Speaker 1: that we liked about Braden Smith and this is what
Speaker 1: you pointed out watching the draft show last year. Very athletic,
Speaker 1: very athletic, very good second level player, and that's what
Speaker 1: they really appreciate it. But I always liked with when
Speaker 1: you watched when he studied carry On Johnson. Yeah, why
Speaker 1: is the ball going past him? Allah? Yeah? Why is
Speaker 1: he going behind the right guard? You know, That's that's
Speaker 1: what really impressed me with him. And I look, I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know if the Colts really expected
Speaker 1: this from Braydon Smith starting right tackle and they looked
Speaker 1: like they were they were thinking that he was gonna
Speaker 1: be a good player. Oh no, they obviously they did,
Speaker 1: but I don't know if they expected this much, this
Speaker 1: quick and so but credit to the player and to
Speaker 1: the Colts for the absolute match. Okay, we're gonna take
Speaker 1: one more break or final break and then when we return,
Speaker 1: we'll kind of dive into what we expect tomorrow. Dane
Speaker 1: and Dave are talking about maybe we'll have an indoor practice.
Speaker 1: We'll see though. Maybe there's some guys with the full
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Speaker 1: appreciate the folks at Brick Live showing up though. Once again.
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Speaker 1: we'll be with you tomorrow night as well. Again, we're
Speaker 1: kind of playing this thing by year to see what
Speaker 1: kind of access we will have with the practice. Was
Speaker 1: literally we were just joking about how like we could
Speaker 1: do the Senior Bowl in our sleep by now you
Speaker 1: know this is this is my seventh I think, and
Speaker 1: you're Dane, you've probably been doing it for ten or so. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're on ten years. Yeah, and god know since nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety two. Thank you for throwing that in my face.
Speaker 1: So but in first grade, this will be this will
Speaker 1: be unprecedented, right, neither one of them deal with this.
Speaker 1: I don't ever remember a Senior Bowl practice where we
Speaker 1: didn't get to go watch it. I remember doing this
Speaker 1: at the East West Shrine. Uh. Yeah, and know in Florida,
Speaker 1: Florida Saint Pete's. Uh, they literally did practice in the
Speaker 1: hotel in a ballroom. Yeah. Uh, but you mean there's
Speaker 1: not much you can you know, glean from that. But
Speaker 1: here days you're supposed to be great. Yeah, Thursday, Thursday
Speaker 1: is supposed to be great, and Thursday Friday are supposed
Speaker 1: to be great days. Yeah, Unfortunately I'm out yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but well we'll see how it's gonna work. I don't know.
Speaker 1: The South Alabama's got this beautiful new facility. They just
Speaker 1: just opened it. Yeah, so we'll see how. It doesn't
Speaker 1: sound like we're gonna have access, but we'll be televised
Speaker 1: a lot of logistics to work through and uh, but
Speaker 1: we will have a show that Tomorrow night. We will
Speaker 1: have a show and then we will come back at
Speaker 1: you on Thursday as well. We'll have to see logistically.
Speaker 1: I say, we've got Dane Leavin and Dave Leavin. I'm
Speaker 1: staying over. But what we're gonna do is probably put
Speaker 1: one in the hit one an early morning Thursday morning show.
Speaker 1: We'll see what we'll get it all together, but we'll
Speaker 1: have a couple more shows. Okay, guys that there were
Speaker 1: some guys that today caught your eye. Okay, tomorrow boat
Speaker 1: teams pads come on though, what position? Well are you
Speaker 1: gonna when we get the most out of tomorrow the
Speaker 1: evaluation again, Hopefully we'll get to see these guys. But
Speaker 1: is it gonna be the nine on seven stuff? Is
Speaker 1: it going to be? Is it still gonna be the
Speaker 1: pass rush stuff? Where where's gonna be the best evaluation tomorrow.
Speaker 1: If you're watching this, well, first of all, I want
Speaker 1: to see the offensive lineman have a better day than
Speaker 1: they did today. I thought thought the offensive line the
Speaker 1: defensive line on both sides right north end south. Defensive
Speaker 1: line dominated both the interior, both on the edges. It
Speaker 1: was our rough day for an offensive linemen on both sides.
Speaker 1: And like those drills is one on ones, it's really
Speaker 1: designed for the defensive lineman. You're winning one on one,
Speaker 1: You're you're doing. I want to see the offensive linemen
Speaker 1: get better. But like I said before, quarterbacks, practice two
Speaker 1: is when I really start to focus on the quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: I want to give them a day to get their
Speaker 1: feet wet. Okay, let's see now on day two how
Speaker 1: you perform. Now, this might be a little more of
Speaker 1: a curveball if they're being thrown into an indivorce indoor facility,
Speaker 1: and how that might change things for these quarterbacks, but
Speaker 1: they won't have to deal with the elements. Um so
Speaker 1: from the quarterbacks, Look, Tyree Jackson is a project right. Okay,
Speaker 1: He's every bit of six seven, two hundred fifty pounds. Uh,
Speaker 1: He's got a huge arm. He remind you of anybody day.
Speaker 1: I put this out there earlier. Yeah, if you combined
Speaker 1: Josh Allen in Cardal Jones put him in a blender
Speaker 1: in card the result it looks something like Tyree Jackson.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's a yah. Is that a
Speaker 1: mean thing that I just said? A compliment? But I
Speaker 1: think when you because there's a lot of things that
Speaker 1: remind you at Josh Allen, but he's not nearly the
Speaker 1: athlete that Josh Allen was. He's not nearly as loose
Speaker 1: with his delivery and his release. But when you factor
Speaker 1: it in, Cardell Jones put him in there because he
Speaker 1: was a little rigid, his shoulders were c saw. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I think that's what you get. But I
Speaker 1: think he's right now. I think Tyree Jackson is a
Speaker 1: potential top one hundred guy. I don't I to me,
Speaker 1: he's a Day three guy. But talking to scouts, they've
Speaker 1: got optimism, they've got hope. It's gonna take a big
Speaker 1: week here. Though. Remember this is Redchard junior who came
Speaker 1: out early, and you know there's could another year helped him.
Speaker 1: Oh there's no question. Okay, so you're you're on the plan.
Speaker 1: He you thought another year he gets bitter. Well, he
Speaker 1: actually entered the graduate portal, you know, maybe moving on,
Speaker 1: but portal exactly. But at the end of the day
Speaker 1: he decided, you know what, I'm gonna go pro and
Speaker 1: you know, a questionable decision, but the chance to come
Speaker 1: here because he's already graduated, the chance to come here
Speaker 1: to mobile is is huge for him. Again, I want
Speaker 1: to see progression. Today. We saw what we saw on tape.
Speaker 1: A guy with a huge arm basically just rock throw
Speaker 1: the ball live. But the mechanics and that kind of
Speaker 1: the inconsistent mechanics throw off his accuracy and his placement downfield.
Speaker 1: You're making receivers work for the ball. He'll he'll make
Speaker 1: a perfect throw that just make him go wow, okay,
Speaker 1: but it's everything in between, you know, not just to highlights,
Speaker 1: but everything between that just you know, you get you're
Speaker 1: frustrated with so here. I just want to see progression
Speaker 1: with him, and really the same thing with Drew. With
Speaker 1: Drew Locke, I didn't think he had a particular was
Speaker 1: very strong today and I was thinking, okay, here here
Speaker 1: are guys who were talking about potential top fifteen picks, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's what Drew Locke is because he's got
Speaker 1: a special arm, right. I think he's he mightained so
Speaker 1: much to Derek carr Um. I love the makeup that
Speaker 1: he has. Uh, he's a good sized kid. He's an athlete,
Speaker 1: but kind of the same questions, mechanicals, something like that.
Speaker 1: That sounds right, you know me. I just I'm fascinated
Speaker 1: by measureable my favorite. I'll look it up. Just keep talking.
Speaker 1: You're doing well, okay, so with oh sorry by bad
Speaker 1: six O three six six Okay, Real Greer was six
Speaker 1: two four, that's right. Will Greer was the other one,
Speaker 1: yeah exactly, saying he's close close to six four exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I said, no, no questions about the size. But the
Speaker 1: main storyline for me entering this week was Drew Locke
Speaker 1: the Aniel Jones, those two quarterbacks. Who was better, Who's
Speaker 1: gonna have the better week? And through one practice, Daniel
Speaker 1: Jones clearly got the edge in my opinion. Well, and
Speaker 1: he's just everything looks natural to him, and you know
Speaker 1: it just every He doesn't have nearly the arm strength
Speaker 1: as a Tyree Jackson or Drew Locke, but everything's natural.
Speaker 1: His deep ball needs work. He underthrew it, he overthrew it.
Speaker 1: He couldn't. He couldn't quite find it right. But everything
Speaker 1: short to intermediate stuff, tempo, rhythm, accuracy, I thought it
Speaker 1: was all there. I love the mannerisms that he shows.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just very He works at this like
Speaker 1: it's you could tell it's his craft, and he works
Speaker 1: hard at it. Um and it's repeatable with everything that
Speaker 1: he does, and so I think that's important, um, just
Speaker 1: with a consistency factor. So Daniel Jones Drew Locke, who
Speaker 1: wins practice too. I thought Daniel Jones took practice one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of that. That's and a lot of
Speaker 1: teams are looking at these quarterbacks. It's a Good's a good.
Speaker 1: We were standing somewhere next to one in the press box,
Speaker 1: mister John Elway. Yeah, John Elway. And actually about this Dan,
Speaker 1: I hit Dane in the ribs and I go. It
Speaker 1: was Dan Marino and John Elways sitting there talking. I
Speaker 1: wish I'm going I wish anybody listening, and I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to be a jerk about it. I wish anybody
Speaker 1: listening could have the opportunity to just come hang out
Speaker 1: here for three days, because like literally, I was working
Speaker 1: on a story. I'm banging away on my keyboard, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I bet I'm annoying the crap out of
Speaker 1: the guy sitting behind me. So I just turned around
Speaker 1: to see who it was. It was John Harball, just
Speaker 1: chilling to watch practice, right. Sorry, sorry if I'm make
Speaker 1: a noise. So you weren't nicky typing, were you? I
Speaker 1: was mickey typing. I was like, slam, I was trying
Speaker 1: to I was tying the story out, um real quick.
Speaker 1: I know we talked about Deeter from Wisconsin, Wisconsin the card,
Speaker 1: but I'm curious and maybe I'm drawing a blank here.
Speaker 1: But like every year, going back to Zach Martin, there's uh,
Speaker 1: there's an offensive lineman specifically, there's like a tackle that
Speaker 1: we talk a lot about. Remember the kid from the
Speaker 1: Kid from Pitt was a guy we talked a lot
Speaker 1: about last year, drawing a blank on his name to
Speaker 1: the tackle, the offensive tackle that ended up he didn't
Speaker 1: like him. But oh, O'Neil, yeah, Vikings was Dalton Miller here,
Speaker 1: Colton Miller, Colton. I'm sorry, yeah, Miller, Colton Miller. He
Speaker 1: was He got overrun like several times. But my point
Speaker 1: is is like we're not really talking about any offensive
Speaker 1: lineman at the Senior Bowl at least nine. That's the one.
Speaker 1: He's the top offensive lineman here. Um And again going
Speaker 1: back with the storylines. One of the main storylines for
Speaker 1: me Andre Dillard right now, I consider him my second
Speaker 1: round pick. Does he get into the first round with
Speaker 1: a strong week? Does he go from possible first rounder
Speaker 1: the probable first rounder? If it's gonna take a strong week.
Speaker 1: I thought I was up and down today. If they
Speaker 1: took Aya Fetti in the first round, this guy's gonna
Speaker 1: get picked in the first round. Yeah. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: talking to the back end of the draft. Right I'm
Speaker 1: back in the first round, and we know tackles get
Speaker 1: pushed six, five, three ten. That was big stuff for
Speaker 1: him him. Yeah, because he doesn't play he doesn't play
Speaker 1: with long arms. No, but I think the film. I
Speaker 1: thought the film was good. The feat he's got the
Speaker 1: feet there's that's a great place to start. And so
Speaker 1: Andre Dillard definitely has a chance to put himself in
Speaker 1: the first round. But I think he needs a strong
Speaker 1: next two days. I thought today it was up and down.
Speaker 1: Montes sweat got to him, uh, but he he rebounded well.
Speaker 1: So up and down? How does he do the next
Speaker 1: two days. That that's the key. What did you say
Speaker 1: his arm length was thirty four even? See because in
Speaker 1: my note Chim looking he looked like a short arm
Speaker 1: blocker at time. No, because he plays like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so thirty four is great. No, no, no, he moment,
Speaker 1: but he has the length. At least we know that
Speaker 1: he could, you know, get better in that area. But
Speaker 1: he doesn't. He let in the run game, in in
Speaker 1: the pass game, he lets rushers and defenders get into
Speaker 1: his body control him. Uh, he needs to get a
Speaker 1: little stronger with his punch, with his timing, and I
Speaker 1: think he can. Is just gonna take some work. Why
Speaker 1: I say, maybe look him as a center. No, that
Speaker 1: same thing. I thought the same thing. You know, it's
Speaker 1: one of those I said length will be a problem,
Speaker 1: But he has thirty four inch arms. It's because he
Speaker 1: lets him into his body. He's got a big welcome
Speaker 1: sign and he just came out of the chest. You
Speaker 1: got to welcome out of the chest. You think it's
Speaker 1: fair to and like, I mean, stars studded an offensive
Speaker 1: line are almost like antonyms, but like it doesn't sound
Speaker 1: like this is the offensive line class at the Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl is usually like one of the things to look
Speaker 1: forward to, and they get there's some good offensive lineman
Speaker 1: in the shraft though, sure, and yeah there are there are.
Speaker 1: I think here we're talking about better than last year. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: better than last year. Yeah. Andre Dillard is the top guy.
Speaker 1: After that, probably Michael died Wisconsin guard and after that,
Speaker 1: Dalton Reisner's in the mix. Kansas State played right tackle,
Speaker 1: I think his best positions inside center. He didn't have
Speaker 1: a great day, so yeah, you're right. All those offensive
Speaker 1: linemen struggled today. Yeah, they really did. Max Sharping was
Speaker 1: up and down from Northern Illinois. I like him a lot. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: add and he could Juice from West Virginia had an ankles.
Speaker 1: He's not here. I was looking forward to seeing him,
Speaker 1: and this is and it's an intriguing storyline for me
Speaker 1: if I'm looking for a swing tackle, which I mean, okay,
Speaker 1: so there's there's more offensive lineman to be seen, but yeah,
Speaker 1: this is I think this is the least we've talked
Speaker 1: about O line, and I know maybe we'll talk about tomorrow.
Speaker 1: We see him have a good day. This is our
Speaker 1: first shot that Caleb McGarry's a guy that we didn't
Speaker 1: like on tape. No we did, but Washington, Yeah, he
Speaker 1: had a good week or a good day to day.
Speaker 1: So you know, we need to pay more attention to him,
Speaker 1: see if he maybe changes our mind. How about that.
Speaker 1: Noted with that, we'll noted that we appreciate everybody hanging
Speaker 1: out with us tonight, and thank you and thank you
Speaker 1: to all our friends around the globe. We got buddies
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Speaker 1: really appreciate. We love you, guys. Thank you for that,
Speaker 1: Thank you for everybody around here that hangs out with us.
Speaker 1: Draft She'll be back tomorrow same time, probably six pm Central,
Speaker 1: hopefully with some more information breaking down some more guys.
Speaker 1: David Helman will have some more of your questions. We
Speaker 1: always love that. So for again, for David Hellman, Dan Bruger,
Speaker 1: for Kent Garrison, I'm Brian Bross. We'll see you tomorrow night.
Speaker 1: Take care, m