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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lollie and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Drive. I'm Dale Lolli. He is the

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson and Matt Beautiful Wednesday here in Pittsburgh, the

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Speaker 2: Steelers finishing up the second day of mini camp over

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Speaker 2: on the South Side at the UPMC. We're any Sports

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Speaker 2: Complex and again, well, you know, one day of mini

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Speaker 2: camp left and then it's off the races and off

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Speaker 2: until training camp.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, and hopefully getting some good work done. But again,

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Speaker 3: we had a good conversation two days ago about not

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Speaker 3: overreacting to the things you're hearing and some of the

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Speaker 3: smaller speed skill guys. I' much singling out Calvin Austin,

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Speaker 3: but guys like that should be shining left and right

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Speaker 3: in these situations. And even don't look too much into

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Speaker 3: who's getting reps when and all that stuff. But hey,

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Speaker 3: I'm sure there's work getting done, good to get you know,

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Speaker 3: the team built back together, a lot of new faces

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Speaker 3: and you know, all new offensive coordinator too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And I apologize if I sound a little

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Speaker 2: different today. I'm struggling through this today with a had

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Speaker 2: to have a tooth pulled today in addition to your

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Speaker 2: other ailments, addition everything else going on. They had to

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Speaker 2: pull a wisdom tooth out because it was loose and

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Speaker 2: once I start my radiation, they don't want that to

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Speaker 2: have to come out after that.

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Speaker 3: So, yeah, you're fun day play and that's what Hill

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Speaker 3: does for you, guys.

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Speaker 2: The difference between being hurt and injured.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, you're in there between the white lines, no one's

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Speaker 3: you can only judge what you're putting on tape, you know,

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Speaker 3: that's the way it goes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So you know a game, it's much like Cam

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Speaker 2: Hayward last year. You're playing. You know, are you hurt,

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Speaker 2: are you injured? You're playing through some stuff and you

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Speaker 2: got to find a way to get through it.

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Speaker 3: Still helping the team, doing battle, you know, ready to

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Speaker 3: come back strong in the next year.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So we we've heard from the both of the offensive

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Speaker 2: and defense coordinators the last two days. Terrell Austin speaking

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Speaker 2: today Matt and he mentioned that, you know, after last

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Speaker 2: week when Mika Fitzpatrick spoke to the media said he

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Speaker 2: needed to get back to playing MENCA ball, and Terrell

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Speaker 2: Austin was asked, well, you know, how do you how

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Speaker 2: do you get back to to how do you get

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Speaker 2: him back to doing that taking the ball away? He said, well,

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Speaker 2: we got to get him deep. We got to get

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Speaker 2: him you know, he he he plays better when he's

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Speaker 2: when he's at that third level and coming up with

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Speaker 2: his eyes on the quarterback. He's certainly capable of doing

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Speaker 2: all the other things that we asked him to do

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Speaker 2: last year, but he's at his best when when he's

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Speaker 2: is back deep and and so we got to find

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Speaker 2: ways to make that happen.

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Speaker 3: Which going a little die tribe here, I mean when

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Speaker 3: they acquired him, the Dolphins did too much stuff with him.

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Speaker 3: You know, he was playing a linebacker and taking on

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Speaker 3: guards and fullbacks and wasn't thrilled about it. And oh,

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Speaker 3: by the way, they were also trying to lose in Miami, right,

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Speaker 3: she wasn't real thrilled about either, because he's a super

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Speaker 3: competitive star. So he comes to Steelers midseason and they

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Speaker 3: basically plan him in the deep middle, and he was awesome,

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Speaker 3: as we all know. And since then, I had always

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Speaker 3: kind of wondered, do they want him to do a

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Speaker 3: one thing, and of course the answer isn't one or

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Speaker 3: the other on that conversation, but this seems pretty distinct

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Speaker 3: to me, or the first time I could say, I

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Speaker 3: believe they just want to leave him in the deep middle,

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Speaker 3: and there's a couple of benefits to it. Many And

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Speaker 3: we described his role last year as kind of a firefighter,

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Speaker 3: just putting out fires and you know, whatever things went

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Speaker 3: it's hard to excel that way. I still think he

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Speaker 3: was very impactful, even though his numbers don't blow your

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Speaker 3: doors off. But first off, having a deep center field

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Speaker 3: middle player like him or Earl Thomas or Ed Reeve

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Speaker 3: he's about the closest thing in the league they can

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Speaker 3: And if the whole league's playing too deep, and you

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Speaker 3: cover three or you cover one, well, that gives you

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Speaker 3: And I've been a lot of Tomlin talked lately of

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Speaker 3: course he just signed a huge contract or I don't

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Speaker 3: the Tomlin era, and really even goes back well before that,

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Speaker 3: this defensive staff schemes things up really well. They disguise coverages,

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Speaker 3: they pass off coverages, robbers, disguise blitzes, even old school

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Speaker 3: Lebo zone blitz stuff, because they got the goalie on

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Speaker 3: the back end, you know, like I always talked about

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Speaker 3: Earl Thomas I thought was the most important legion of

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Speaker 3: boom member on that great Seattle defense because the other

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Speaker 3: ten could play super aggressive. You know, like I know

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Speaker 3: you're not a huge hockey historian, but the Gretty Oilers

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Speaker 3: cheating up because Grant Fura was back there. You know

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Speaker 3: what I mean. If you've got that last goalie, that

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Speaker 3: just gives you a little bit more freedom to make plays.

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Speaker 3: It has a huge ripple effect. And I think that's

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Speaker 3: what they want from Meca, which is ultra valuable.

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Speaker 2: And Ricord yeah, absolutely, And you know Austin said, look

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Speaker 2: many times, you know the ball was going where Menca

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Speaker 2: was not, which is typically the case. Well, if he's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, right, if you can narrow it down. That's

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Speaker 3: a great point. I didn't realize as Austin, I had not

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Speaker 3: heard the interview yet. But people quarterbacks and offensive systems

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Speaker 3: fear menca I mean they have since he's been here.

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Speaker 3: It certainly is compounded. Since he's been here. He does

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Speaker 3: not get targeted often, you know, like the ball does

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Speaker 3: not go his way, and that's one hundred percent on purpose.

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Speaker 3: You know, they know how dangerous he is. It's kind

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Speaker 3: of like avoiding Paula Malu or whatever. I mean, So

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Speaker 3: the ball doesn't go his way. Whenever he has put

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Speaker 3: the tight end or whatever, Well they don't throw it

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Speaker 3: where if I can take the point where you're not

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Speaker 3: going to throw in the deep middle, Well, that's a

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Speaker 2: You know, even if it's not beyond the deep middle,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then Porter and company maybe player more press

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Speaker 3: have to deal with this pass rush, you know, I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he's probably the best in the league

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Speaker 2: doing that. So if they can get him back to

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Speaker 2: the crazy thing is is they finished in the top

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Speaker 2: He's your best takeaway guy.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't like a ton of fumble luck or anything

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Speaker 3: like that. I mean, it was an opportunity to stick

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Speaker 3: to the defense. It gets to the football and rushes

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Speaker 3: the passer well, and schemes things up well too. They

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So you know, if they can do that, it

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Speaker 2: goes a long way towards you know, I'm glad.

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Speaker 3: That you're establishing though. Yeah, as opposed to let's do

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Speaker 3: tricks that Mica has and use them all. They still

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Speaker 3: also a little easier on his body. You know, if

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Speaker 3: you if you play deep middle for the next five

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Speaker 3: of scrimmage and hitting, you'll probably have more longevity from

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Speaker 3: things like that too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was a little nicked up last year

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Speaker 2: because you know, I mean, he was just asked to

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Speaker 2: like how the percentages of you know, slot play and

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And again it's not that he's incapable or was

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Speaker 3: bad at them. I mean, that's not the reason that

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Speaker 3: oh he had some of these people tell you, oh,

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Speaker 3: he had a down year. I don't think he had

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Speaker 3: asked to do different things exactly exactly. I mean, his

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, one of the reasons why you know,

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Speaker 2: he was uh tall. Austin was asked that is because

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Speaker 2: of some of the additions that the Steelers are brought in.

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Speaker 2: Having a Patrick Queen, yeah, you know, in the in

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Speaker 2: we don't need to have make you know, our best

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Speaker 2: back end guy, sure, you know, up in the box,

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Speaker 2: because we've gotten every down linebacker and you know, they

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Speaker 2: bringing in Dante Jackson and Cam Sutton back into the

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Speaker 2: some legitimate corner competition there that that should help with

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Speaker 3: Elliott in addition to CAZy, who you already had, right

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Speaker 3: you know, I mean, it's a different type safety than

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Speaker 3: what you've been playing with and covers a lot of ground.

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Speaker 3: And Elliott's very versatile too. He can play deep, he

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Speaker 3: can do he would have been the firefighter last year

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Speaker 3: in some of these instances for sure. And you mentioned Queen.

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Speaker 3: I mean, oh, by the way, Wilson gets dumped into

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Speaker 3: your lap too, and it's a pretty NFL ready linebacker.

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Speaker 3: You're deep in the middle of the field, and everyone

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Speaker 3: realizes the safety linebacker play around Minka at the end

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Speaker 3: of the year, no wonder, he's footing on fire. It's

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Speaker 3: a disaster in the forest was on fire.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just a disaster. So you know, if

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Speaker 2: they're able to do that, this defense becomes very, very

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Speaker 2: difficult to play against. Once again. I mean I can

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Speaker 2: think of a number of times where Mika Fitzpatrick has

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Speaker 2: just changed the outcome of a game, particularly in that,

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Speaker 2: you know, playing Cover one Robber, where he's just able

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Speaker 2: to read the quarterback and jump the jump.

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Speaker 3: Some of the quick throws, yeah, or any tip ball

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know that the investment has been made.

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Speaker 3: First off, Munchak could take an undrafted free agent tournament

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt about that. Yeah, we'll talk more about

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Speaker 2: Welcome back on daye Lolli. He is the Matt Williamson

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Speaker 2: and Matt. We're talking a little bit about offensive line

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Speaker 2: play in the previous segment, and FTN Fantasy has put

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Speaker 2: pre training camp type stuff here and they're projecting some

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Speaker 3: Is where you can find DVOA now and the Football

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Speaker 3: and great deal. I thought that's a pretty good list.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so at thirty two we'll go from the bottom. Mum,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So they are at thirty two. At thirty one

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Speaker 2: It really is. And you know, they're spending all this

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Speaker 3: We've talked about it a lot. I think it's the

435
00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,400
Speaker 3: biggest weakness on the Steelers' biggest rival, and they sure

436
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,439
Speaker 3: sound like they agree with us. I think most people,

437
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:21,200
Speaker 3: most analysts whoever wrote this probably would have them higher

438
00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 3: based on reputation and all that.

439
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:23,679
Speaker 2: And that's what it is.

440
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:24,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's all it is.

441
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,320
Speaker 2: But yeah, because Ronnie Stanley hasn't been good in three years. No,

442
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:34,120
Speaker 2: Andrew Voorheas has never played an NFL snap, Linderbaum's fine, Yeah,

443
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,360
Speaker 2: I like Ben Cleveland's just a guy.

444
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,720
Speaker 3: And Roger Rosengarten is a project, the project, And yeah,

445
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:43,040
Speaker 3: they have McCary and they have falle. I mean, they

446
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,120
Speaker 3: have some other options. None of them are the answers though.

447
00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,760
Speaker 2: No, Like if that's the line that they line up

448
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,000
Speaker 2: with and they're gonna have some issues.

449
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:52,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's they took some hits.

450
00:21:54,760 --> 00:22:01,080
Speaker 2: At twenty five the Buffalo Bills. That's Dean Dodds, David Edwards,

451
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,200
Speaker 2: Connor McGovern Osash, Torrance, Spencer Brown.

452
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 3: It's okay. I mean, Dawkins is a stallwart. I'moun have

453
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 3: to say. He's like a Pro Bowl type guy, but

454
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:14,359
Speaker 3: he's just below I can see Torrance getting better in

455
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:18,400
Speaker 3: a weird way. I mean, they switched offensive coordinators midseason

456
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 3: last year. They actually drafted a power back. They let

457
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:25,160
Speaker 3: Digs go. They're starting to realize they play in Buffalo

458
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,160
Speaker 3: and they're getting some big bodied people to push people around,

459
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 3: and it's just not gonna be built overnight, you know.

460
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and that's what they kind of needed

461
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 2: to do. Yeah, you know, they We'll see if it

462
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 2: works out for him, but they do have them. You know,

463
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,880
Speaker 2: the same thing with Baltimore. When you have a mobile quarterback, you.

464
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,399
Speaker 3: Know, you can get away with somebody stuff. Yeah, a

465
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:45,560
Speaker 3: superstar quarterback.

466
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,120
Speaker 4: Ye, I mean, there's no doubt.

467
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 2: Twenty four of the Arizona Cardinals. That's Paris Johnson, Elijah Wilkinson,

468
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 2: fro Holt, will Hernandez, Joonah Williams.

469
00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:59,639
Speaker 3: Fro Holt's a lot better than people think. I mean,

470
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,640
Speaker 3: he's a solid starting center that keeps getting I think.

471
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:03,679
Speaker 2: Played high school football.

472
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 3: James Daniels, Oh really, I didn't know that. Okay, Paris

473
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 3: Johnson might be an emerging star. The ass Those dudes

474
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,919
Speaker 3: are just dudes. But to their credit, they've at least

475
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 3: I would don't have them in front of me. But

476
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 3: there's three or four guys in the mix, you like.

477
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 3: I think they drafted two or three linemen, like, they're

478
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,360
Speaker 3: not ignoring it and have at least put a lot

479
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,639
Speaker 3: of bodies in that direction. I don't love Jonah Williams,

480
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 3: but they got him pretty cheap, but he's a starter.

481
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 3: At least, you know, it's better than what they were

482
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 3: playing with before.

483
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 4: Yeah.

484
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 2: At twenty three the Seattle Seahawks Charles cross Lake and Tomlinson, Olowa,

485
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 2: Tommy Christian Haynes, and Abraham lucas well. They've used some

486
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 2: draft picks in Capitol on these guys in the last

487
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:49,360
Speaker 2: few years.

488
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 3: They might be lower for me though, I like the

489
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 3: Haynes pick. Really solid second rounder, plug and play guard

490
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,919
Speaker 3: all day long. We both kind of liked him coming out.

491
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 3: I think Cross is really good. But they took those

492
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,439
Speaker 3: two tackles two years ago, first round for Cross, like

493
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,120
Speaker 3: fifth round for Lucas, and everyone just thought, Wow, they

494
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,199
Speaker 3: just have a pair of book ends forever. Like now

495
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 3: the fifth rounder is playing like a fifth rounder now, yeah, yeah.

496
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's what you know. That's when when people

497
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 2: talk about Dan Moore, Uh, dan Moore stinks he's a

498
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 2: fourth round draft playing left tackle in the NFL like

499
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 2: being asked to do a lot. At this point in

500
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 2: his career. Dan Moore is a home run. M hm,

501
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 2: Like you've got You've gotten three starting seasons out of

502
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 2: your fourth round left tackle.

503
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 3: Yep. So I urge people money talks. I'm going to

504
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 3: assume Dan Moore gets on the open market ten months

505
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 3: from now or whatever, see what he makes.

506
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:53,439
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a lot more think.

507
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 3: Experience, youth. And he's a tackle.

508
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,120
Speaker 2: I mean, what what did chokes get from New England? Yeah,

509
00:24:58,160 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 2: it will be more than chukes.

510
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 3: They're actually switching choos to the left side. We'll get

511
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 3: to the Patriot O line, which I don't think is

512
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 3: a great idea, But he's gonna battle it out with

513
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 3: a rookie. I bet he makes more than chokes.

514
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 2: Cheukes got four point twenty five million.

515
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 3: I've been Morgan's six if I mean, if he has

516
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 3: a I don't know how much were we play this year, but.

517
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 2: He's still shown he can play left tackle, yep.

518
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 3: And he's gonna get paid.

519
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

520
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 2: Uh twenty two. How the Mighty have fallen the Dallas Cowboys.

521
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 3: There's holes.

522
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 2: That's Tyler Geiton, Tyler Smith, Cooper beebe Zach Martin, Terrence Steele.

523
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 2: That's not a very good offensive line.

524
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 3: No steel A year ago, they gave a nice contract

525
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 3: and he didn't live up to it, like that's a

526
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 3: rough feeling when he thought. And they do that with

527
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,640
Speaker 3: their own too often. Two rookies. You're counting on its

528
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,479
Speaker 3: center and left hat, which I guess the Steelers are

529
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 3: counting on a center and in offensive tackle too. But

530
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 3: I would take the Steelers two way over those two.

531
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 4: Yeah.

532
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 2: These guys were both rated lower, yes, and both Steelers.

533
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 3: Frazier's is not a conversion to center right Smith. The

534
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 3: guard two guards are really really good. I mean, that's

535
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 3: probably the best guard Perry in the league.

536
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 2: But that's what you get, and that's it.

537
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 3: But that's it. And then questions at.

538
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 2: Twenty one the Tennessee Titans, which last year, So you

539
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 2: got JC Latham, Pete left, Lloyd Cushionberry, Daniel Brunskill and

540
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 2: Dylan are doings.

541
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 3: So you think you hope you're also brought in Daddy

542
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 3: the O line coach, who's a great one. Compared to

543
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 3: where they were at a year ago, if you have

544
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 3: left tackled a center not only firmed up, but maybe

545
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 3: turning into a strength slash high upside situation, Cushion Barry

546
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 3: is still pretty young. Yeah, that's start. I mean, that's

547
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 3: a heck of a start. They would have been thirty

548
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 3: two a year ago, no, no doubt. Yeah, by far,

549
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 3: by far.

550
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 4: Yeah.

551
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 2: At twenty the Denver Broncos, that's Garrett Bowles, Ben Powers,

552
00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 2: Luke Wattenberg, Quinn minors, Mike McGlinchey centers, miners to center.

553
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 3: It's a good question. Although I think he's quickly becoming

554
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 3: one of the best guards.

555
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 2: I think it's easier to find guards.

556
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 3: Yeah too, This isn't doesn't factor in this equation, but

557
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 3: Bowls are free agent after the years. I want to

558
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,640
Speaker 3: talk that he could even be like a trade deadline

559
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 3: type move.

560
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 2: They gave him Glenchy a bunch of money for some reason.

561
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,239
Speaker 2: He's I mean, he's a good he's a good he's

562
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 2: a good player.

563
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 3: He's a good running brun defender. Run.

564
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 2: But were you in a situation where you needed to

565
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 2: go out and spend a bunch of money on the

566
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 2: right tackle.

567
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 3: No, I mean what Peyton did originally, I'm gonna go

568
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 3: get some maulers and we're gonna run the football at

569
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 3: Javonte Williams, who quickly got hurt. I mean, like, it's

570
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 3: not great. Miners is a really good player, and then

571
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 3: there's okay.

572
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 2: Yeah at nineteen again, how the Mighty have fallen the

573
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 2: New England Patriots. That's a troops of corps for it.

574
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 2: Left tackle cole Strange at left guard David Andrews, City

575
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 2: sal Michael cole Strange has been kind of a bust.

576
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 3: I was just saying, doesn't reflect great.

577
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 2: I mean it was. It was everybody was surprised they

578
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 2: took him in the first round.

579
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 3: I mean, and bays on camera thinking he was gonna

580
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 3: give him the third. Yeah, in one of those years,

581
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 3: the Rams didn't have a pick. I guess the other

582
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 3: tackle from Penn State, the rookie Walker was his name.

583
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 3: He was the right tackle. He's going to battle chokes

584
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 3: at left. Okay, I mean neither one is ideal. I

585
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 3: mean your right tackles, your best player, Andrews is getting

586
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 3: up in age. It's not great. You like guys like

587
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 3: Shaq Mason goes one of the best guards in the league.

588
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 4: Yeah. Uh.

589
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 2: At eighteen, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, that's Tristan Wurf's superstar,

590
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 2: Ben Bradison, Graham Barton, Cody Mack and Luke Getke.

591
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 3: You would think Barton could complete the interior, you know,

592
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 3: and Worfs went from being the best right tackling league

593
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 3: to being one of the best three left tackles in

594
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 3: the league. Like he could end up in the Hall

595
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 3: of Fame. I mean, he's phenomenal. The rest of the

596
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 3: dudes are kind of jagged.

597
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 2: Yeah they're okay, they're okay. Yeah, you know, it's that's

598
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: eighteen there by the league. At seventeen, the Chicago Bears

599
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 2: come a long way. It's Braxton Jones, Tevin Jenkins, Ryan Bates,

600
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 2: Nate Davis, Darnell Wright.

601
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 3: So Jones and Wright were also drafted together, kind of

602
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 3: like the Seattle conversation, but they both look like hits

603
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 3: and and Wright got better and better throughout the season.

604
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 3: What was the interior game.

605
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 2: Tevin Jenkins, Ryan Bates, Nate Davis.

606
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, they gave Davis decent money. Jenkins first tackle, Yeah, yeah,

607
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 3: draft of the tackle and it's settled in at guard

608
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 3: quite well. I mean again, I think it's league average.

609
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, not bad. Sixteen the Cincinnati Bengals. You got Orlando Brown, Junior,

610
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 2: Cordial Wilson, Ted Carris, Alex Kappa, Trent Brown.

611
00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 3: I think there's more in memes. Yeah, mems, but I.

612
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 2: Think that's name value line than anything else.

613
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 3: I mean, you wouldn't have drafted mems.

614
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 2: Your two tackles might be the two most overpaid tackles

615
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 2: in the league over the last decade.

616
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 3: Agree, And I think part of it's because of their

617
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 3: massive size that they get overrated by the public.

618
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 2: Stand if they were, if they were as good as

619
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 2: what the contracts have been paid out to them, teams

620
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 2: wouldn't let them go.

621
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 3: Right right, I mean, Orlado Brown would be the left

622
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 3: tackle of the Ravens right now. Yeah, it never would

623
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 3: have left town. I mean they're a pretty smart organization too.

624
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 3: I don't know if Mems is capable of playing guard,

625
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 3: but you would think one of those interior spots he

626
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 3: could overtake pretty quickly.

627
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 2: I think Vulshan is the really the weak spot.

628
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the other guys are okay. Yeah, And the

629
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 3: problem is the right tackle is probably actually their best

630
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 3: player went healthy. But he plays six games a year too.

631
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just not been that guy. He's in thirty age. Yeah,

632
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 2: so I mean that just happened eight. Yeah, he's very

633
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 2: big man. Let's do one more here at fifteen, and

634
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 2: this line gets all kinds of love and I respect

635
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 2: this as well. The Kansas City Chiefs, Wow at fifteen.

636
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 3: I give them credit for putting them where they belong.

637
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's ONEYA Morris. Left tackles a huge.

638
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 3: Issue, is a huge issue, huge and right tackles and right.

639
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 2: Tackles not much better. So you got Wanya Morris, Joe Thuney, Creed,

640
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 2: Humphrey Tray Smith, Juwan Taylor. The interior is fine, it's great, yeah,

641
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 2: but the two tackles are an issue.

642
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 3: Real issue, and the right tackle Taylor. They gave pretty

643
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 3: darn good money and he was a penalty machine and

644
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 3: off sides all the time, and frankly didn't block many

645
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 3: people to begin with. Left tackle, they've tried to piece

646
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 3: together and they drafted Semataiah. Yeah, you know, so he

647
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 3: could be in the mix. Maybe they can make that work.

648
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 3: The interior is really good. But the right guard Smith,

649
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 3: who they got in the fifth or sixth round because

650
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 3: of medical reasons, wasn't as dominant as people think last year.

651
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 2: I think I think teams are starting to kind of

652
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 2: figure out some of the things that he can't do.

653
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 2: I mean, he's not a great mover.

654
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 3: He's not a great mover.

655
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, not a great mover.

656
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 3: You mean late in it down when Mahomes is running

657
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 3: around like crazy, he's kind of a statue exactly. Yeah,

658
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 3: he's a maler. But Tony and Humphreys as good a

659
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 3: guard center pairing as you'll see him.

660
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 2: It's good.

661
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 3: But soon he's not young, No.

662
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,239
Speaker 2: He's and he and you know, he's making a lot

663
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 2: of money money Humphrey soon will be.

664
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 3: Then they're gonna have to pay him very soon. Yeah.

665
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 3: I think it's this year because.

666
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, option right, he didn't have a fifty year option

667
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 2: on so you have to pay those and they got

668
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 2: Smith the same year.

669
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would bet Smith leaves. I'm sure they'll give

670
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 3: Humphrey money, but maybe if the Kutuny or something like that,

671
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean I think he came in

672
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 3: the league kind of old. I think he's like thirty three.

673
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's the tough part of this is

674
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 2: you know, first of.

675
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 3: All, he better get tackle figured out.

676
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 2: You got to get tackle figured out, and then you

677
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 2: got to, you know, figure out which one of these guys.

678
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 2: How do you pay these guys because you don't want

679
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 2: to lose your center.

680
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 3: And we talked about Lamar and Allen. You know, a

681
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 3: great quarterback makes up for a time one hundred percent.

682
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 3: But anyone that watched Chiefs bucks Super Bowl when Mahomes

683
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 3: got hit every play throwing balls when his body's parallel

684
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 3: to the turf, the Chiefs made a concerted effort after that.

685
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 3: Our number one goal was we're going to invest in

686
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 3: O line and if that means letting Tyreek go, so

687
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 3: be it. And now that investment is not as strong

688
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 3: as it was for as.

689
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 2: Good as Creed Humphrey is. Yeah, snapping was a problem

690
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 2: for him last year.

691
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 3: It's weird. He's a lefty. I don't know if they didn't

692
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 3: do it or not.

693
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 2: I'm sure, but people were, you know, and I get it.

694
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 2: The Steelers had snapping issues.

695
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 3: Oh yes, so to Kansas City, to Kansas City.

696
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Mahomes was such a great athlete that he

697
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter as much because he's you.

698
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 3: Know, I mean, he's just They went deep, very very

699
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 3: little last year, contrary to popular belief. Probably possibly because

700
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 3: or mostly because the way coverages are set up, but

701
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 3: also because of the protection blocking. Yeah, the tackles were awful.

702
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 3: They lined up into in five yards downfield.

703
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's if that's getting called, they're screwed.

704
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 3: They're the team that stands out the most.

705
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 2: Yes, look you get a flying v out there. Looks

706
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 2: like the ducks geese are flying in from capastron scene.

707
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

708
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 2: Uh, let's get to a break. We'll finish with the

709
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 2: top fourteen lines and then I want to bring something

710
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 2: up after we do that. He is Matt Williamson. I'm

711
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 2: Dale Lolly. We're doing the FTN fantasy. Uh, this is

712
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,479
Speaker 2: it's fantasy related, but it's Also, you know this is very.

713
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 3: NFL related defensive line playing guards and center.

714
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 2: And we haven't gotten to a team that well, we

715
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 2: happen to be on Steelers Nation Radio here, so we're

716
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 2: with the Steelers rank on this list.

717
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 4: Right after this, this.

718
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 1: Is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

719
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven Home of the Black and

720
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

721
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 2: Loally, he is the Matt Williamson and he's noticed a

722
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:56,760
Speaker 2: change in my voice. I get rid of the gauze

723
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 2: that was in my mouth.

724
00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 3: Mage little, you gotta tape it up. You get the

725
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 3: ankles a little loose, you.

726
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 2: Retape, give me a really little retape there. So we're

727
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 2: going over the FTN Fantasy offensive line rankings here and

728
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 2: we're up to number fourteen and that is the San

729
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 2: Francisco forty nine ers.

730
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 3: Steelers have not been mentioned.

731
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 2: That might be just on Trent Williams alone.

732
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 3: They're not much different than the Dolphins. Really again, it's

733
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 3: by design. They want one star that they can leave

734
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 3: one in an island against anybody, and that's Armstead, that's Williams,

735
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 3: and then four dudes that were just scheme up because

736
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 3: we're so smart.

737
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 2: That's Trent Williams, Aaron Banks, Jake Brendle, John Feliciano he

738
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 2: related to Jose I don't know, uh, and Colton mckivic's.

739
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 3: They're kind of like four guys have never been in

740
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 3: my kitchen, you know. And Trent Williams is the best

741
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 3: in the league.

742
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 2: And he's in a walker he's never been in your

743
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 2: kitchen either. He probably not left eat you got a

744
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 2: big kitchen. He would actually fit.

745
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 3: But like a Piersol when they do that line and

746
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 3: you're at the Piersall in the first round and you

747
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 3: just like.

748
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 2: You're giving your receivers money.

749
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 3: Jennings and guys people don't think about, you know, like

750
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 3: drafts seem hi.

751
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right up to thirteen. That's the Minnesota Vikings.

752
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 2: Christian Darras saw who's really good. Blake Brendle. I wonder

753
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 2: if he's brandall got different spelling there, Garrett Bradbury, ed

754
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 2: Ingram Brian O'Neil.

755
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,280
Speaker 3: This is all based on the tackles.

756
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 2: The tackles are good. Bradbury's been a disappointment.

757
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a first round center. That's an average center.

758
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's not awful, but not Yeah.

759
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 3: If he's the first round pick on center. He can't

760
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 3: be an average center. Yeah, the guard below average pickles

761
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 3: are great, which is good place to start.

762
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 4: Yeah.

763
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:38,760
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Moving up to twelve. The Houston Texans. Okay, Laramie Tunsall,

764
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 2: who's still very good. Kenyon Green has struggled. He has

765
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 2: Juice Scrugs.

766
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 3: Okay, we'll see. I think he pissed a lot of

767
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 3: last year. Kendrick Green was in that mix y.

768
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, Shack Mason, Titus Howard.

769
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 3: Mason's a really really good guard. Tunsils are really really

770
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 3: good player too.

771
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been really right now the weekly is Kenyon

772
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 2: Green and we don't know what j Just Scruggs is.

773
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 3: Right right, that could be one of the best in

774
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 3: the league if they hit. Both were high picks, dreams

775
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 3: the first rounder. Scruggs was a second last year, he a.

776
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:10,439
Speaker 2: Second or third.

777
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 3: There was the day two. Yeah, because we went a

778
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 3: little earlier than I thought. I thought he'd go around later.

779
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 3: But I think they have some depth too that they like.

780
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, I mean it's a deep team overall.

781
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 2: Still no Steelers right right at eleven the Los Angeles Chargers.

782
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 2: You got Rashaun Slater's Ion Johnson, Bradley Boseman, Jamari Sailor,

783
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 2: and Joel Yeah.

784
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 3: They've invested heavily in this line, including Lindsley, who retired

785
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 3: just this week. He would have been they didn't even

786
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 3: include him on this Yeah, he has hard issues. He

787
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 3: didn't play all last year, but he was a big invest.

788
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 2: Quality player for a long time.

789
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, this might be the only young tackle tandem. I

790
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 3: would consider swapping the Steelers with him. You've got Alton Slater, which.

791
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 2: Zion Johnson is a quality player.

792
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Sailor was a really good right, I mean

793
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 3: quality tackle. You know Georgia guy that is going to

794
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 3: be really good at guard. So it's what Harball wants.

795
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they don't have Bellcal running backs, no receivers,

796
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 2: but they got the they have the line to move.

797
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 2: Like if you put the Steelers running backs, yeah behind

798
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 2: that line.

799
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, you'll be fine.

800
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,240
Speaker 2: You'll be fine. Yeah, and a really good line in side.

801
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 3: Note. I mean, if you're harboring the Chargers and you

802
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 3: pretty much know I've got a couple of years and

803
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 3: they could win three games and he's not gonna get

804
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,439
Speaker 3: fired this year, right, So he goes into next year

805
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 3: with a line and Herbert. Okay, I can find skill, guys,

806
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 3: maybe get your cap situation back, and it is and

807
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 3: it is a lot better going forward. Maybe mconky' is

808
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 3: a keeper, you know, maybe you know one of the

809
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 3: backs is Okay.

810
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 2: Their problem is is that their defense is going to

811
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 2: end up aging out.

812
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 3: That's a problem. But I'm just saying the offense.

813
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:56,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, at ten are your Pittsburgh Steelers. How about that?

814
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 2: And they're projecting Troy Fittanu at left. I don't think

815
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 2: that's going to be the case, Isaac sayamal Lo's that Fraser,

816
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,919
Speaker 2: James Daniel Broderick Jones. I think you end up flip

817
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 2: flopping Proderck Jones and Troy Fatanu. I will say this though,

818
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 2: Dan Moore Junior is still at left tackle right now.

819
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 3: And Fraser's not taking number one reps at center.

820
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 2: He's taking a couple.

821
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, I mean I think we know what's coming. Yeah,

822
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 3: but there's also depth to that point. I mean, yeah,

823
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 3: you've got guys Cook and more or your backups. They

824
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 3: haven't had to dig into the backups much the last

825
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 3: year's you knock on wood that could probably is gonna

826
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 3: come around at some point. I think this is a

827
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 3: proper rating, And would you I expect with the youth

828
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 3: the first month or so there'll be some growing pain. Yeah,

829
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 3: there'll be some flashes as much like Broderick Jones is

830
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 3: a rookie, but they don't.

831
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 2: But the schedule sets up nicely for that.

832
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 3: Yeah that if you're hitting your stride come AFC North time.

833
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, you could.

834
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 2: Really stop social people around. So this brings me to

835
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 2: the to the to the question and one of the

836
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,959
Speaker 2: race you met, would you try to trade Dan Moore junior?

837
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 3: Consider it?

838
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 2: He's only going to be a left tackle. We just

839
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 2: went through the bottom eighteen or the bottom twenty two teams.

840
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 2: There are a lot of teams out there, to your

841
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 2: point about what he's gonna get paid on the open market?

842
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 2: Who could use Dan Moore junior and you could get

843
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 2: something back for him.

844
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 3: Let me take this step further, and I don't know

845
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 3: if you can afford both, but I would trade herbig too,

846
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 3: or I'd listen to it.

847
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 2: I would consider it if you know, depending on what

848
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 2: McCormick is, if you're happy if mc I don't want

849
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 2: to trade all my depth.

850
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 3: That's I mean losing two linemen that are going to

851
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 3: be in the league is.

852
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 2: Hard because they have been extremely healthy the last.

853
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 3: Two Yes, and I know they traded green and Dots

854
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 3: in last year, and it certainly seems like an omar

855
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 3: thing to take one more lineman that's going to.

856
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 2: Make But right now you've got like eleven, Yeah, because

857
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 2: you got the Spencer Anderson's and guys like that that

858
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 2: you still like.

859
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 3: I would certainly consider it. Herbig worries me just because

860
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 3: I guess he's in an ideal world, he's your backup

861
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 3: center and he's your third guard. But I'm not so

862
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 3: sure Anderson and or McCormick can't. I can't be that, yeah, right,

863
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 3: or even Anderson, you know what I mean?

864
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 2: So Herbig's and Anderson could be your backup like four.

865
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 3: Spots four spots. I think Cook's making the team. They

866
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 3: like him to the more point, So.

867
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 2: Can he Can you have a backup who's just a

868
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:21,240
Speaker 2: left tackle?

869
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 3: That's the that's the sticking point.

870
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 4: Yeah.

871
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 3: It makes me again reading the leaves, because if he's

872
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 3: saying right, who's playing left?

873
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,720
Speaker 2: If something were to happen and brought let's say Broderick

874
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 2: Jones went down for Toma, who can play left tackle?

875
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 3: I think can Cook do both? I think I think so.

876
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 3: I think he's a swing yeah, and I can live

877
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 3: with him as my third or I'm sure you could

878
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 3: also pick up a guy super cheap now, like the

879
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 3: little Raven Clark pick up. Yeah, and at least bring

880
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 3: him to camp at a league minimum deal.

881
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 2: So if if you wanted to make a deal, even

882
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 2: if you just want to acquire future draft picks to potentially.

883
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 3: Produce a receiver or just have future picks.

884
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 2: Because he's not making money, No, whatever team drafts him

885
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 2: because or whatever team trades for him can say we

886
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 2: want to trade for him now, we can try him

887
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 2: out for a year and then see if we want

888
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 2: to sign.

889
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 3: Him for a long term year of the deal or whatever.

890
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 3: I think both those guys.

891
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 2: I think he's a big trade ship right now.

892
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 3: I do too. I mean, I don't think you're to

893
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 3: get a third round pick. You're not gonna swap him

894
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 3: for Brandon Ayuk, of course, no, but it could be

895
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 3: part of a package exactly. I mean, we just talked

896
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 3: about the nine Ers Z line or a lot of these.

897
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 2: They're bad because they got Trent Williams, but yeah.

898
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 3: They wouldn't trade for a backup left tackle, but you're

899
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 3: Huntson right. No, I think this could very well be

900
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 3: in play, and it's probably more of a camp thing

901
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 3: once you get in there, and hopefully you don't lose

902
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 3: a couple of your own during camp, and hopefully some

903
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 3: other teams do lose some of their own and start

904
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 3: realizing you have a surplus. And I'm like, I mean,

905
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 3: I know they didn't get a ton for dots in

906
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 3: and Green, but if you a seventh round pick for

907
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 3: those guys right now, I'm not saying yes, right, you know,

908
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 3: I need a little more than that. But you were fourth.

909
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 2: You were able to you know, you know, a six

910
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,919
Speaker 2: for four to move up two rounds, the big Omar move,

911
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

912
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 3: He did it with pick it we do with the like, yeah,

913
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,959
Speaker 3: but let me move up five fIF these spots from

914
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 3: round six to four.

915
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, especially in what we think is going to

916
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 2: be a loaded draft next year.

917
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah. No, I think one of those

918
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 3: two will not be a will be traded.

919
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 2: I tend to agree, Yeah, I tend to agree. And

920
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 2: I think to me, like and to me, more has

921
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 2: more value. I think it is as an you know again,

922
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 2: as a left tackle.

923
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 3: Left tackle Younger more recent.

924
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 2: Tape Cornelie whatever is is this?

925
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 3: Who's I can't remember what team is like, throw them

926
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 3: on Washington. Yeah, and Washington could use both those guys here,

927
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 3: you know. Yeah, there's a lot of teams that could

928
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 3: use a left tackle, even if he's not a star. Okay,

929
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 3: that's a great point.

930
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 2: We're into the top ten here that I ask you a.

931
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 3: Question though, Okay, are they ten Steelers?

932
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 2: The Steelers are ten.

933
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 3: I agree that they're probably ten right now. I probably

934
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 3: would accept that the day after the Steelers are eliminated.

935
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 3: If they were tenth, I'd be like, okay, it was fine, Yeah,

936
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 3: but they're probably they're definitely going up more than.

937
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 2: Down, because it's a projection at this point. Yeah, you know,

938
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 2: uh yeah, so you know, if they play like the

939
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 2: ninth or the tenth best offensive line in the league,

940
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 2: you'd take that. Yeah.

941
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 3: I think I wouldn't go for door number two. Yeah, like,

942
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:09,919
Speaker 3: I'll take the tenth best line of the league this year, yeah,

943
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:11,919
Speaker 3: because then it's probably fifth backs next year. Yeah.

944
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 2: Right, it's going to be on the rise. Those guys

945
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 2: are all pretty you know, for the most part. Young

946
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 2: number nine, the new York Jets, Tyron Smith, John Simpson,

947
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,240
Speaker 2: Joe Tipman, Elijah Vera, Tucker, Morgan, Moses.

948
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 3: And the first round rookie out of Penn State and

949
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 3: first round rookie. I can't fight that. I mean, we

950
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 3: both like Tipman coming out. Vera Tucker is finally healthy.

951
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 3: He's a star guard that could get you out of

952
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 3: a game.

953
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 2: And the other guys are all veteran guys. Can they

954
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 2: keep him healthy? That's going to be the question.

955
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 3: But but then you get the first round guy to Yeah,

956
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 3: this isn't a projection. This is what they are right

957
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 3: now and they're not getting any better. Yeah, Tyron Smith's

958
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 3: going to the Hall of Fame and he's still playing

959
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 3: really well. He just has a hard time playing every game.

960
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, the back issue is major number eight, the Green

961
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 2: Bay Packers. That's Jordan Morgan, Elkton Jenkins, Josh Myers, Seth Ryan,

962
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 2: Zach Tom. This is one here. Neither one of us

963
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 2: love Jordan Morgan coming out now.

964
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 3: And I don't love these being projected at the starting

965
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 3: tackle today either on the left side right correct.

966
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 2: I mean, would the Green Bay Packers, who have a

967
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 2: bevy of young wide receivers be interested.

968
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 3: Dan more than a six fer a receiver or something

969
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 3: like that. Yeah, you know what I mean, like what

970
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 3: I call him up?

971
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 2: I'd make that, Yeah, make that call and say, hey,

972
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 2: we got we got a young still young offense left

973
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:28,399
Speaker 2: tackle here.

974
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 3: That real quick on the Packers that assigned You.

975
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 2: Think you're ready to win, you think you're ready to

976
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 2: compete for, you know, the the NFC Championship.

977
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and they have youth and cap space. I mean,

978
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 3: they can make any move they want. So I'm sure

979
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 3: some listeners listen to that starting five Morgan aside and

980
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 3: be like, who the heck are those dudes name? Jenkins

981
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 3: is a dude. Jenkins is a dude.

982
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 2: Josh Myers is is quality player.

983
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 3: And I was going to say, whatever the saying is

984
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 3: that some of the parts is greater than the know

985
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 3: for those guys. It's a really well coached unit.

986
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 2: They get got No, there's no weakness there other than

987
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 2: the left tackle situation, which.

988
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 3: It would scare me too. At least you'd have insurance.

989
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,760
Speaker 3: Let Morgan been more battled out in camp.

990
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 2: Now they've done. They've bumped Jenkins out the left tackle

991
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 2: in the past, but that's not his.

992
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 3: Week or in two spots, you know. Yeah, but they

993
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 3: get guys like Zach Tom in the fourth round and

994
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 3: tournament of quality player, like they do what the Steelers

995
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,879
Speaker 3: did with mid round receivers. Yeah, it's it's a really

996
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 3: good factory there.

997
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 2: But that would be definitely a team that I would call.

998
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, Romeo Dubbs is the only one I

999
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 3: wouldn't be interested in. But he, I mean he meant

1000
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 3: that I wouldn't. Okay taken off for me.

1001
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:33,760
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1002
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:39,280
Speaker 2: Number seven is the Philadelphia Eagles. Jordan to always be one, Dickerson,

1003
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 2: Cam Jurgens, Tyler Steen, Lane Johnson.

1004
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 3: All of a sudden, Jurgons and Steen. They're counting on them,

1005
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 3: aren't Kelsey and Brooks or you know, I mean they're

1006
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 3: not two pro bowlers. Yeah, but they gave who's the

1007
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:56,919
Speaker 3: guard Dickerson? Dickerson, I think he's the highest paid guard

1008
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 3: or second to it. Malata is super high. Lane Johnson

1009
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 3: still a star.

1010
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:01,760
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1011
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 2: Uh. Six is the Cleveland Browns. That's Jedrick Willis, Joel Patonio,

1012
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 2: Ethan Postic White, Taylor, Jack Conklin.

1013
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 3: Dwat Jones could could be in the mix of right half.

1014
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think Conklin makes it into the season

1015
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 2: either with his cap hit.

1016
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, guards are still really good, but they drafted Ziner.

1017
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1018
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 3: I think with in mind that these guards aren't gonna

1019
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 3: last forever. They're expensive and we probably have two or

1020
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:27,720
Speaker 3: three lines we've mentioned at the Browns.

1021
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, blocking is an issue.

1022
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 3: They're a big, rugged, physical group. Yeah, they also lost

1023
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 3: their mun track.

1024
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 2: Five is the Raiders Colton Miller, Jackson, Powers Johnson, Andre James,

1025
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,720
Speaker 2: Dylan Parham, and Thayer Mumford Junior.

1026
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,760
Speaker 3: That's the one I disagree with. Yeah, I mean the

1027
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 3: right guard right tackle situation is below average.

1028
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the from center over left side should be good.

1029
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

1030
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 4: Uh.

1031
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 2: At four, I'm sorry is the Rams Alaric Jackson, Jonah Jackson,

1032
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 2: Steve Avila, Kevin Johnson, Kevin Dotson and Rob have a

1033
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 2: scene haven't seen.

1034
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 3: Has had a really good career, Like if he was

1035
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 3: a Steeler, he'd be a favorite here. You know, tough guy,

1036
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 3: not pretty. The left tackle's not great, but guard to

1037
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 3: guard is massive, wide body. Avilia was really good as

1038
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 3: a guard as a rookie. Now he's kicking in the center,

1039
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 3: He's be one of the bigger centers in the league.

1040
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 3: They're mashers Yeah, but they spent a lot of money

1041
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 3: on two guards.

1042
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 2: Three as the colt that's Bernard Raymond, Quentin Nelson, Ryan Kelly,

1043
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 2: will Fries and Braden Smith.

1044
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,399
Speaker 3: I still think Nelson's a stud and the other ones

1045
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 3: are fine.

1046
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1047
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 2: At two you had the Falcons. That's Jake Matthews, Matthew Bergeron,

1048
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 2: Drew Dolman, Chris Linstrom, Caleb McGarry, Rewind.

1049
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 3: Forty minutes ago we talked about how Arthur Smith built

1050
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 3: that line in company. Most of them weren't there when

1051
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 3: he was there, and now it's the second best line

1052
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 3: in the league.

1053
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 2: It's a good line.

1054
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:51,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1055
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 2: And that leaves number one the Detroit Lylons Lions as

1056
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 2: Taylor Decker, Graham glassnew or Glasgow, I should say, Frank Ragnow,

1057
00:48:58,040 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 2: Kevin Zeitler, Pine Sewell.

1058
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 3: They drafted to to develop, so they're going to keep

1059
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 3: investing in them and Souls making a fortune. If I

1060
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 3: had any offensive line in the league right now to

1061
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 3: build my team around to be Penny Soul and factoring

1062
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 3: in age and everything, you know what I mean, I

1063
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 3: might take rag Now is pretty strong too. He might

1064
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 3: be best center in league.

1065
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 2: I would put him right. I think he is the

1066
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,479
Speaker 2: best center in the league, and he's still young enough

1067
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 2: that he's not old, and I think you build out

1068
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 2: from there.

1069
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 3: This kind of reminds me of the Eagles of the

1070
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 3: past couple of years. They could be one for a while.

1071
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it could be because it was going to get

1072
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 2: pretty young.

1073
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're pretty good.

1074
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. That is the FTN or that was the

1075
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:40,760
Speaker 2: FTN Fantasy Offensive Line Rankings good list. It is Steelers

1076
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 2: much of it. Yeah, Steelers came in tenth on that.

1077
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 2: We're going to take a break. That's going to do

1078
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 2: it for our number one of the drive here on

1079
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 2: Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be back with our number two

1080
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 2: right after this