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Speaker 1: Here in Indianapolist Brian Ramon Foster coach Mac. I'm amy Wells.

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Speaker 1: We're all here and we are wrapping things up. We

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Speaker 1: are getting ready to head back to Nashville. It has

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Speaker 1: been a great week here in sunny for the most part,

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Speaker 1: Indianapolis bliss.

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Speaker 2: Much warmer than usual, much warmer than usual.

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Speaker 1: There was a little bit of rain, but we are

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Speaker 1: in a windowless room and so we barely even knew

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Speaker 2: There it is, I mean, day, night, hot, cold. We

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Speaker 3: We heard a little bit of the storm.

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Speaker 1: Because everybody left the room to go make sure that

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Speaker 4: Watch rain.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was weird. It was weird thing. I guess

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Speaker 2: if you haven't seen the outside in a while, it's a.

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Speaker 4: Good expence I guess watching watching paint dry.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I would agree with that. Anyway, A lot

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Speaker 1: has been happening here beyond just the weather. And the

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Speaker 1: thing about the combine that we are always reminded of

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Speaker 1: when we get here is it's not just the combine activities.

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Speaker 1: So you know, the the interviews and the workouts and

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Speaker 1: the media availability and all that that that is a

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Speaker 1: large part.

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Speaker 2: Of the combine.

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Speaker 1: But then there is the combine within the combine, and

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Speaker 1: that's the combine that happens in this windowless room where

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Speaker 1: everybody mills around and talks to one another. And that

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Speaker 1: happens in the restaurants in the evenings, or the hallways

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Speaker 2: There are just things that.

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Speaker 1: Happen around Indianapolis, and that is where the real off season,

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Speaker 1: free agency, the lead up to the draft, that's where

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Speaker 1: the good stuff takes place, right Mac.

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Speaker 5: Well, this is just a huge information.

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Speaker 2: Event, information event, and that's.

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Speaker 6: And that's what it is. And you you you bring

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Speaker 6: and that's in a lot of different a lot of

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Speaker 6: different areas. You mentioned that the play, but in the

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Speaker 6: business you call it chum in the water. Anybody's ever

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Speaker 6: been deep sea fishing I mean, you throw a lot

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Speaker 6: do here. And it's it's it starts here, and it

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Speaker 6: starts in all those different avenues that you talk about,

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Speaker 6: but it finally zeros into some really important conversation. And

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Speaker 6: this is where this is the genesis of all of

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Speaker 6: it because you're face to face. You're face to face

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Speaker 6: with not people that can just say maybe maybe this

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Speaker 6: is what's happening. You're face to face with decision makers.

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Speaker 6: So if you're a decision maker yourself, sooner or later

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Speaker 1: And there's a lot of news that ends up coming

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Speaker 7: Potentially absolutely, and when you think about whatever happens with

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Speaker 7: playing with one arm in the college football playoff. And

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Speaker 7: with a total of thirty two cameras to finally figure

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Speaker 8: I wonder will that be an automatic call from somebody

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Speaker 7: Right right, because this stuff is coming out of the

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Speaker 7: all kinds of things come out of those, and you

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Speaker 7: know the whole you know thing about the tush push,

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Speaker 7: the woods. But that, you know, that's the thing that's

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Speaker 7: so crazy about this event, Amy and Max, right, information

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Speaker 7: you have the league meetings, you have to just everything

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Speaker 7: the legal tampering window is two weeks away, so it's

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Speaker 7: just a firestorm of information and all these possibilities.

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Speaker 6: Well, you understand that the term of legal tampering came

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Speaker 2: Everybody was tampering.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, and so they said, okay, go ahead

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Speaker 6: I mean, this is this is a huge because you

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Speaker 6: But here everybody is here, everybody's here, and it's you

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Speaker 6: can gain a lot this. I mean every year that

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Speaker 6: I've come since I haven't been coaching, it's just my

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Speaker 6: ninth year doing this on with the Titans Radio. I

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Speaker 6: meet with coaches, positional coaches, to find out what's the

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Speaker 6: trends in the league, what's going on now, what's going

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Speaker 6: on in the coaching world, trends in the league. Are

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Speaker 6: we playing more quarters? Are we playing more what's happening.

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Speaker 6: they'll talk to me because you know, I'm not I'm

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Speaker 5: Against anybody anymore.

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Speaker 6: So but all that information is here if you know

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Speaker 1: It is interesting all of the rules conversations that are

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Speaker 1: I believe in May. Yep, here we go May twentieth

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Speaker 1: what we want to look different.

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Speaker 6: The answer is, again, they want they put it out there,

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Speaker 6: and then they want it to soak. Yeah, they let

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Speaker 6: it soak condition you they well, they let it, they

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Speaker 6: let it soak in. And again it's more it's more

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Speaker 6: of chumming the water is a.

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Speaker 5: Great analogy for it to see.

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Speaker 6: You know what, what, how's the weight, how's the weight

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Speaker 6: out there? How's everybody taking this or and it also

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Speaker 6: gives you a chance too to put it out, to

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Speaker 6: put it out in the ethernet and then just see

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Speaker 6: how everybody responds to it, because that's what you want.

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Speaker 6: You want to response because you don't want to come

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Speaker 5: Let it so for a while. It all starts here.

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Speaker 8: And there's been a few reactions we've seen justin general,

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Speaker 8: the touos push most of the people that have watched

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Speaker 8: this play, no, don't ruin that. If you can't stop it.

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Speaker 8: It's a football play. You mentioned the spotting of the ball,

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Speaker 8: because or penalties that were missed. Like I had this

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Speaker 4: That's my brother.

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Speaker 9: off with the team with the number one overall pick?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, here we are. You're welcome.

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Speaker 1: You've done some of the All Star Games. Yeah, now

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Speaker 1: we're here at the combine. How do you use what

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Speaker 1: you see at the All Star Games to kind of

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Speaker 1: inform or influence what you're seeing here at the combine

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Speaker 1: and then put that together to predict what in the

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Speaker 1: world is going to happen in this draft.

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Speaker 9: Well, the great thing about the All Star Game circuit

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Speaker 9: is that you get to see them go against the best.

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Speaker 9: And I always like to compare that to small school guys.

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Speaker 9: And one, for example, is somebody like a Gray Zabel

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Speaker 9: of North Dakota State, an offensive lineman. He goes in,

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Speaker 9: he has the best week of any player, regardless of position.

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Speaker 9: So now maybe you came into that week with some

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Speaker 9: question marks about how would he play again in the ACC,

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Speaker 9: the SEC, the Big ten, or whatever. Now he goes out,

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Speaker 9: he plays well against those guys. Maybe that translates over

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Speaker 9: into the NFL and it kind of quiets your complaints

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Speaker 9: or maybe some of the criticisms that you had about

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Speaker 9: some of the competition that he was going against. But

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Speaker 9: those guys that played in those Power for conferences, now

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Speaker 9: you're seeing them go against other guys or the best

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Speaker 9: of the best that they will be playing. Maybe on

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Speaker 9: the NFL level. So it's just more so of the

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Speaker 9: competition aspect for small school guys and also the power

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Speaker 9: for players too, So.

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Speaker 1: You're able to take that experience and compare it with

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Speaker 1: the workouts they're doing here at the combine that are

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Speaker 1: also a great equalize, right, because it doesn't matter where

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Speaker 1: you go to school. If you can run fast, jump high,

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Speaker 1: and do the drills, you're set, right.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean the combin is just a piece of

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Speaker 9: the puzzle, and I know a lot of people put

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Speaker 9: a lot of stock into the combine. I do as well,

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Speaker 9: but it's more so of just a piece of the

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Speaker 9: resume or the draft portfolio that you're putting together for

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Speaker 9: these guys. And then also with really the increase and

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Speaker 9: a lot of analytically driven teams, you have guys that

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Speaker 9: have to meet certain thresholds or some guys that may

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Speaker 9: be outlie. So now if you have a cluster at

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Speaker 9: a certain position, now I have more data points on

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Speaker 9: some guys to really differentiate them and slot them on

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Speaker 9: the draft board.

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Speaker 1: Dimension of analytics is interesting because teams more and more

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Speaker 1: are incorporating analytics, building out analytics departments.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that as just.

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Speaker 1: The game evolves and the way that teams are scheming

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Speaker 1: up the game and everything throughout time, do you think

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Speaker 1: we're going to see more of those data points kind of.

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Speaker 2: Reveal themselves. I guess.

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Speaker 1: Are teams going to start measuring more things because they're

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Speaker 1: trying to gain some sort of an advantage.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, absolutely, especially when I can factor in probability to

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Speaker 9: the draft, just because all of this is a big guess, right,

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Speaker 9: there's no certain thing, no matter if it's Andrew Luck

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Speaker 9: or you know whoever, there's really no way of really

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Speaker 9: telling which guy's going to translate the best. But if

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Speaker 9: I can include probability and give myself more data points

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Speaker 9: to give myself what I like to call breadcrumbs that

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Speaker 9: could lead to a prospect really succeeding on the next level,

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Speaker 9: I'm gonna take as many data points as i can get.

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Speaker 9: So the combine is really another piece to those data

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Speaker 9: points that could potentially lead to having productive players on

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Speaker 9: my ball team.

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Speaker 8: Jordan, when it comes down to looking at and evaluating

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Speaker 8: the top end, as you mentioned, the Tennessee Titans have

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Speaker 8: been number one right now with the ability if they

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Speaker 8: choose to move back. You said, it's a meat potatoes draft. Like,

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Speaker 8: what does that actually look like if her team is

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Speaker 8: drafting somebody even in the top ten.

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Speaker 9: Well, when we say meat and potatoes draft, it's more

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Speaker 9: so of adding depth and competition to your team. There

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Speaker 9: isn't a lot of blue chip prospects at the top

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Speaker 9: of the draft, and there's only three in this draft class.

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Speaker 9: For me, it's Travis Hunter, the dB slash wide receiver

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Speaker 9: out of Colorado, abdu Carter the defensive end of Penn State,

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Speaker 9: and then also Mason Graham and Michigan. Those are the

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Speaker 9: only true three blue chip prospects to me in this

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Speaker 9: year's draft class. So once we get to that fourth

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Speaker 9: or fifth overall pick, I think we're gonna have a

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Speaker 9: lot of surprise pecks in this draft class just because

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Speaker 9: of the lack of blue chip or high end talent in.

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Speaker 4: This year's draft class.

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Speaker 8: It's fascinating everybody mentions Mason, but nobody's like outwardly talking

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Speaker 8: about him, maybe because the Titans have a quarterback need.

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Speaker 4: So that leads me to how do you judge these

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Speaker 4: two quarterbacks?

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Speaker 8: Cam has the aggressives down the field, the arm power,

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Speaker 8: and Shad Door seems to have the finesse of the

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Speaker 8: game be able to have the touch. What are you

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Speaker 8: looking at when you draft one of these two guys

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Speaker 8: that you say I like this more than that when

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Speaker 8: you really look at the meat and potatoes of it. Yeah, Well,

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Speaker 8: two vastly different quarterbacks stylistically, but resume wise, they're very similar.

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Speaker 8: And if you think about it, both of them came

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Speaker 8: from the FCS ranks, with Cam Moore coming from FCS

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Speaker 8: and Cardinate Word and then also shad Or Sanders with

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Speaker 8: Jackson State transitioned to the FBS level, Cam with Washington

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Speaker 8: State to Miami, and then.

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Speaker 4: Shador to Colorado. But stylistically very different.

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Speaker 9: Cam is more so of your loose, aggressive type of

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Speaker 9: thrower down the field that has a shortstop like throwing motion.

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Speaker 9: This is what I like to call it. But he

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Speaker 9: needs to be a little bit more selective with his aggression.

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Speaker 9: And what I've been telling everybody about Cam is that

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Speaker 9: he's that guy that you instruct him to jump off

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Speaker 9: the ten or fifteen foot high dive and sometimes he

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Speaker 9: gets curious and he wants.

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Speaker 3: To go up to twenty five and thirty feet.

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Speaker 9: But that can be a good thing sometimes just because

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Speaker 9: that's the life of a playmaker. And that's why I said,

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Speaker 9: I'm different from the consensus about cam Ward.

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Speaker 4: I love him.

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Speaker 9: I'm a big cam Ward fan just because when you

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Speaker 9: look at all the quarterbacks in the NFL right now,

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Speaker 9: and I'm not comparing him to these guys, just talking

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Speaker 9: about from a playmaking standpoint outside of structure, Josh Allen,

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Speaker 9: Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, they have the ability to make

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Speaker 9: an offensive coordinator right even when they call the wrong play.

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Speaker 9: And I believe cam Ward has that type of ability

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Speaker 9: on the next level. And everybody talks about a selective aggression.

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Speaker 9: I think that can be a good thing for him. Now,

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Speaker 9: does he need a hard position coach. Absolutely, He's gonna

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Speaker 9: have to rerill it in sometimes. But what's going to

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Speaker 9: have to happen with cam is that you're gonna have

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Speaker 9: to know how to straddle the line of letting him

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Speaker 9: be him but also telling him we got to reel

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Speaker 9: it in a little bit and just take the first

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Speaker 9: option on your progression and don't hunt for the deep

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Speaker 9: play down the field. So whoever coaches cam whether it's

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Speaker 9: Brian Callahan, Brian dave Ball, or whoever, they're gonna have

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Speaker 9: to understand how to straddle the line of letting him

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Speaker 9: be him, but also raining him in a little bit too,

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Speaker 9: just because he can and get a little bit, a

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Speaker 9: little bit careless with the ball. But for every two

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Speaker 9: or three mistakes that he makes in games, he's gonna

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Speaker 9: make you stand in your seat nine or ten plays too.

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Speaker 9: He's gonna have that wow factor. So and we saw

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Speaker 9: it in the fourth quarter comebacks, even though it was

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Speaker 9: some of his wrongdoing against Cal and then also for

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Speaker 9: Ginia Tech. But what I love the most about Cam

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Speaker 9: is that whenever he's on the field, no matter the

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Speaker 9: moment in a game, there's always a belief that you

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Speaker 9: can come back with him in the game. And that's

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Speaker 9: what I believe he showed in Miami. Now with Shador Sanders,

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Speaker 9: I'm gonna have a hard time selling him more than Camp.

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Speaker 4: After that, right after that spiel.

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Speaker 9: But but what Sanders the polar opposite Stylistically, he's more

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Speaker 9: so of your polished pocket passer whose game really of

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Speaker 9: what we've seen in years past, you know, from guys

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Speaker 9: like Tom Brady and Joe Burrow, guys that win with

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Speaker 9: their mind from the pocket with the ball placement, being

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Speaker 9: able to understand the difference between accuracy and ball placement,

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Speaker 9: and what I mean by that is accuracy. You just

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Speaker 9: put the ball in the right spot where you wide

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Speaker 9: receivers can catch the ball. But ball placement, you're throwing

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Speaker 9: it away from defense to where they have no chance

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Speaker 9: of being able to catch it. And you know, with

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Speaker 9: Shador Sanders, I believe he has really good ball placement,

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Speaker 9: really good accuracy, but also he has that poise about himself.

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Speaker 9: We're talking about somebody that's really been in the spotlight

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Speaker 9: his entire life. I mean, he's the son of Dion Sanders,

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Speaker 9: arguably the greatest athlete that's ever lived. So whether he

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Speaker 9: goes one to two wherever, he's used to being in

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Speaker 9: the spotlight. So that's what I love about Shador, just

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Speaker 9: being in the spotlight, the accuracy of the ball placement,

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Speaker 9: and just the awareness that he plays with.

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Speaker 7: Pedaling back on cam Ward for a second, you were

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Speaker 7: on the record saying he's severely underrated. You're bulletsh on him.

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Speaker 7: You even think that he might be have his place

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Speaker 7: in last year draft above a couple of guys.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, so I think the top three would have stayed

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Speaker 9: the same, Kayler Williams, Jaydon Dames and also Drake May,

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Speaker 9: but he's ranked the head of JJ McCarthy. For me,

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Speaker 9: I believe he would have been the fourth quarterback off

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Speaker 9: of the board last year, just because when I look

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Speaker 9: at the traits of cam Warden, I just talked about

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Speaker 9: a lot of that stuff, the ability to play with

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Speaker 9: so much poise, and then just the relaxed demeanor that

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Speaker 9: he plays with as well. Going into a situation of

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Speaker 9: where being able to build a program around him, that's

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Speaker 9: something that wouldn't be foreign to him at all either.

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Speaker 9: Now it's just a matter of how well does he

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Speaker 9: fit in Callahan's system. But I've always had the belief

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Speaker 9: of if you're a great coach, you fit your scheme

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Speaker 9: around your quarterback, as opposed to force fitting a quarterback

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Speaker 9: into your scheme. So I think that's a decision that

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Speaker 9: they have to make.

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Speaker 7: And that is the philosophy of Brian Callahan. He says,

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Speaker 7: I'd much rather, you know, conform to what that player's

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Speaker 7: attributes and strengths are as to make them, you know,

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Speaker 7: Muhammad come to the mountain, so to speak. All right,

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Speaker 7: I want to add, excuse something else on X you

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Speaker 7: put out recently your favorite player slash team scheme marry

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Speaker 7: up outside of the quarterbacks in the top pick. What's

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Speaker 7: another player that is a good fit for the Titans

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Speaker 7: that's here at the combine?

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Speaker 9: I was on the spot they have to figure out

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Speaker 9: the right side of that offensive line. They tried so

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Speaker 9: much last just so many different combinations. But one player

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Speaker 9: I think really fits into their scheme. His name is

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Speaker 9: Emery Jones out of LSU. He's played primarily right tackle

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Speaker 9: during his career, but he's one of those dudes that

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Speaker 9: he wants to embarrass everybody that's in front of him.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 9: I believe he projects better as a guard on the

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Speaker 9: next level. But him having that right tackle experience and

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Speaker 9: he's played a little bit of guard to and also

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Speaker 9: having that guard experience. Now you're talking about somebody that

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Speaker 9: can play right guard or can play right tackle. So

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Speaker 9: now you have a good problem to have as opposed

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Speaker 9: to a guy that's only played the right tackle or

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Speaker 9: only played guard, or we're trying to fit him into

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Speaker 9: a certain spot. Right now, the Titans this nee bodies

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Speaker 9: out there on the right side. They need somebody that

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Speaker 9: can start at either spot. So Mry Jones somewhere on

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Speaker 9: day two I think will be a fantastic fit.

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Speaker 7: And you're right, because we saw him in those one

661
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Speaker 7: on ones physical he wanted to embarrass.

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Speaker 8: You're right when you speak about this offensive line group.

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Speaker 8: I just want to have your perspective on the fact

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Speaker 8: that you say, this guy play tackle in college, but

665
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Speaker 8: he's a guard. That doesn't mean they're a bad offensive

666
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Speaker 8: line And it's just what do you mean by that?

667
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Speaker 8: It's just don't fit the I know what it means,

668
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 8: but like for our listeners, they just don't fit the

669
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Speaker 8: mold of what you want in the tackle in the

670
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Speaker 8: NFL is what you say in those moments.

671
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Speaker 9: That or sometimes some players are good players that tackle,

672
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Speaker 9: but they project better inside of guard. Peter Skereronsky is

673
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Speaker 9: a great example of that. He played primarily tackle at

674
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Speaker 9: Northwestern and then he projects inside the guard. They put

675
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Speaker 9: him at guard from day one and he's going on

676
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Speaker 9: to be a productive starter. So it's not a knock

677
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Speaker 9: saying a guy isn't going to be, you know, a

678
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Speaker 9: great tackle on the next level. It's just more so

679
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Speaker 9: he has more upside inside of guard. And one guy

680
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Speaker 9: I believe is very similar is Will Campbell. I know

681
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Speaker 9: a lot of people are projecting them as a tackle

682
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Speaker 9: on the next level, but when he faces speed, and

683
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Speaker 9: he faces that length, he's prone to struggle. Now let's

684
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Speaker 9: put him inside where he has two guys around him

685
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Speaker 9: and he can use his strength and use some of

686
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Speaker 9: that hamd maturity that he has inside. Just because he's

687
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Speaker 9: a very physical player. And while I believe he can

688
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Speaker 9: be a fine tackle on the next level, I think

689
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Speaker 9: he can be a really good guard.

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Speaker 5: I think there was.

691
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Speaker 8: God the Senior Bowl wide mile a mile of West Virginia,

692
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Speaker 8: I moved from tackle to guard. So seeing that situation

693
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Speaker 8: right there, I felt like at the Senior Bowl he

694
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Speaker 8: kind of took some bad heat because he was transitioning

695
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Speaker 8: into a guard. Like it's different inside, Okay, And that's

696
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Speaker 8: where it feels like grace needs to be given to

697
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Speaker 8: those dudes that say, yeah, I'll still take him in

698
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Speaker 8: the first round, Like well Campbell, he speed to me

699
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Speaker 8: doesn't seem to be his sting. He might run a

700
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Speaker 8: freaking four to nine, but I see him move like

701
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Speaker 8: an interior guy. But you get ten years out of

702
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Speaker 8: a guy that's still a success story as an early first.

703
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Speaker 9: Rounder in my opinion, Yeah, absolutely. And the player that

704
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Speaker 9: I've compared him to is Sam Cosmy. Sam Cosmi has

705
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Speaker 9: gone on to be one of the better guards in

706
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Speaker 9: the league, but primarily when he was coming out of Texas,

707
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 9: he played tackle. So that's not saying that he's going

708
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 9: to be a bad player as a tackle. I just

709
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 9: see him projecting better inside that guard. And you know,

710
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Speaker 9: online stuff, That's why I don't get online a whole bunch.

711
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 9: People take it as a knock, but I think Will

712
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 9: Campbell is one of the better offensive linemen in this

713
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Speaker 9: draft class. I just see his upside greater and getting

714
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Speaker 9: more productive years out of him as a guard.

715
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Speaker 8: When you mentioned the top three in this class at

716
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Speaker 8: of the bell of the ball, Mason Graham, Travis Hunter,

717
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Speaker 8: and Cam camp Car, yep, Okay, you're the Titans.

718
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Speaker 4: I hear that.

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Speaker 8: They probably feel the exact same way too. I think

720
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Speaker 8: a lot of folks have said, like, there's probably like

721
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Speaker 8: twelve to fifteen true first rounders. So if you're going

722
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Speaker 8: after so do you separate the quarterback draft from the

723
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Speaker 8: best available draft?

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Speaker 4: When you're the Titans picking at one, that's the tough part.

725
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Speaker 9: And you know, I've been saying this about everybody that's

726
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 9: asked me about the number one overall pick. I think

727
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Speaker 9: this comes down to one question. And one question only

728
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 9: for Mike Berganzi and year one, is he comfortable attaching

729
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 9: his tenure to one of these quarterbacks. If he's not

730
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Speaker 9: com doing that, then you look to trade back. If

731
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Speaker 9: you don't feel good about Sir Dory Sanders or cam Ward,

732
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 9: try to trade back. If not, take one of Abdul

733
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Speaker 9: Carter or Travis Hunter. If you feel good about one

734
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Speaker 9: of these quarterbacks and attaching them to your tenure in

735
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Speaker 9: year one, go ahead and select one of them, just

736
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Speaker 9: because at the end of the day, nothing matters in

737
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Speaker 9: a roster rebuild until you get quarterbacks solidified. You can

738
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Speaker 9: have a loaded roster everywhere else, but if you do

739
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Speaker 9: not have a quarterback, you do not give yourself a chance,

740
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Speaker 9: especially in the AFC where predominantly most of the top

741
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Speaker 9: quarterbacks in the NFL are So if you don't have

742
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Speaker 9: that quarterback solidified, you're playing with one hand tied behind

743
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Speaker 9: your back.

744
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Speaker 3: All right.

745
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 7: So, Jordan, you mentioned a couple of the position groups

746
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Speaker 7: that are strong in this draft, and I want to ask,

747
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 7: is the wide receiver position is this week? Is this

748
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 7: a place to settle out some of that because we

749
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Speaker 7: know who some of the guys are at the top

750
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Speaker 7: then it's a little sketchy in.

751
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Speaker 3: There, and then the belly of the draft has some

752
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Speaker 3: value throughout.

753
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Speaker 4: Yeah it does.

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Speaker 9: And you know, this isn't as strong of a group

755
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 9: of we've seen in years past, like we've seen guys

756
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Speaker 9: go top ten, top fifteen. It is in that group

757
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 9: we maybe could go get one inside of the top fifteen, honestly,

758
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 9: and that's Ted Roy McMillan, the receiver out of Arizona.

759
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 9: But outside of that, there just isn't a lot of

760
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 9: top end talent. But you get into Day two and

761
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Speaker 9: day three, I think there's a lot of potential wide

762
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Speaker 9: receiver twos and wide receiver threes in this draft class,

763
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Speaker 9: which is great for the Titans just because you need

764
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Speaker 9: somebody behind Calvin Ridley right now. So I believe it

765
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 9: aligns really well with the Titans strength or excuse me,

766
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 9: the Titans weaknesses right now as far as where they

767
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 9: need or have some holes on the roster. So even

768
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Speaker 9: though this isn't a high end wide receiver class, they're

769
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Speaker 9: able to fill in some depth on the wide receiver

770
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Speaker 9: depth chart.

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Speaker 7: All right, let me hit you with one and get

772
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Speaker 7: your opinion on a converted quarterback who played a Louisiana Tech,

773
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 7: then transferred to Old Miss and Trey Harris. That was

774
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 7: Jackson Darts Guy, and Guy really made a nice career

775
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 7: for himself and then his time in Oxford.

776
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Speaker 9: Yeah, he's one of those long stride and tall receivers

777
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 9: that's just lanky and just towers over everybody. But he's

778
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,720
Speaker 9: not overly fast, but somehow he just strides and runs

779
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 9: past everybody on tape. So I'm really interested to see

780
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 9: how he performs at the combine with you is everything.

781
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 9: He had ridiculous numbers when he was healthy, really was

782
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 9: on pace to lead the country and receiving yards. And

783
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Speaker 9: we know in that Lane Kiffin scheme, he's going to

784
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 9: push the ball down the field. So something that they're

785
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 9: going to be able to do with him if they

786
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 9: were to draft him is push the ball down the field.

787
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Speaker 9: But the great thing about that is he's going to

788
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 9: open up everything underneath as will How much does.

789
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 8: Scheme effect quarterbacks coming out of college, Because it was

790
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 8: funny watching the camsterdor back and forth from well off

791
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 8: media and everything, and they're going at each other and

792
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 8: he told them, well, you had to run a game

793
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 8: like so what does that matter? You speak about Lane

794
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 8: Kiffin or this air raid stuff that they do in

795
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 8: college now or do you just look at the town.

796
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,959
Speaker 9: Oh man, how much time we have to talk about

797
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,359
Speaker 9: this all day long. But you have to remember that

798
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 9: things are so much different for college quarterbacks. And take

799
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 9: the Senior Bowl for example. This is the first time

800
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 9: a lot of these guys have actually even called a

801
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 9: play in a huddle before, just because everything is so

802
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 9: signal based and given to them in their offense that

803
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,040
Speaker 9: they don't even understand the verbiage and being able to

804
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 9: relay it to everybody and then actually go out and

805
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 9: execute it as well. So scheme matters a lot, and

806
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 9: you have to initially just see how much they can handle.

807
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 9: But after that you have to be able to gauge

808
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 9: and really dumb it down for them if you can,

809
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 9: just because especially if you're taking a guy at number

810
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 9: one overall, he's gonna go out there and start no

811
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 9: matter what. If you take a guy on he's going

812
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,240
Speaker 9: out there to start, So you really have to gauge

813
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 9: just how much it can handle and then just really

814
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 9: force feed him if you can handle it as the

815
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 9: year goes on. So initially dumb it down and you

816
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 9: do all that stuff in training camp. But after that,

817
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 9: that's when you start to open up the playbook a

818
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 9: little bit more.

819
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Speaker 1: But does that not make more of a case for

820
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Speaker 1: putting guys in situations to be able to grow and

821
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Speaker 1: learn behind somebody, which I know teams don't like to

822
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 1: do anymore. Teams want to draft their guy, throw him

823
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: out there, have ing play. We're the best in the league,

824
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: let's keep moving for fifteen years. But in reality, if

825
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 1: you're adjusting like you just said, to having everything be

826
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 1: signal based and have everything be kind of spoon fed

827
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 1: to you, and now all of a sudden, you've got

828
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Speaker 1: to keep all this stuff in your brain and you've

829
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: got to be able to communicate it to other guys

830
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 1: in the huddle and do it quickly and effectively and efficiently.

831
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: Is that not, all of the sudden an argument for

832
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: maybe investing in a guy, taking him a little bit lower,

833
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: give him the opportunity to learn, and then see what

834
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Speaker 1: you have.

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Speaker 9: It really just depends on the guy, honestly. But I've

836
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 9: always said, if you're drafting a quarterback, you want an

837
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 9: experienced veteran behind him, just because there's nothing like that

838
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 9: shared experience. And for example, Bryce Young with Andy Dalton

839
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 9: is a great example. Marcus Mariota with Jade Daniels. You

840
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 9: want to have that type of experience veteran behind them,

841
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 9: just because those guys have been through the ringer, are

842
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 9: ready ten plus years, and those little nuggets and those

843
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 9: little tibbits they can help from study habits to execution,

844
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 9: understand how to go out and apply things at practice.

845
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 9: And then sometimes some guys just get overwhelmed. Like the

846
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 9: best thing that happened to Bryce Young last year was

847
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 9: him sitting out a few games just because he was

848
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 9: able to recalibrate, collect himself and understand and now see

849
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 9: where were my flaw? How can I go out and

850
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 9: how can I be better and execute it? They put

851
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 9: them back out there. He like a completely different player

852
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 9: as opposed to Jane Daniels and CJ.

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Speaker 4: Stroud.

854
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Speaker 9: Things click for them from day one, So it really

855
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 9: just depends on the guy, right, That's true.

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Speaker 1: So now we are heading back to Nashville, Tennessee. But

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Speaker 1: free agency is on the horizon.

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Speaker 3: Mac.

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Speaker 1: How do teams take what happened here and use that

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Speaker 1: to inform their free agency decisions?

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean those things go on concurrently. Okay, this

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Speaker 6: You've you've got to you've got to talk about them

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Speaker 6: And it's and especially not only with the way that

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Speaker 6: you are constructing your your roster, but also the way

878
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 6: you're constructing your salary cap. All of those things they

879
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 6: cannot be talked about separately. They have to be talked

880
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 6: about together. So it's it's they're both talked about. I mean,

881
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 6: it's an interlocking puzzle, and it's it's important that everybody

882
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 6: understands each end of the puzzle. You've got different groups

883
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 6: that concentrate on either side of it, but they've got

884
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 6: to come together and the big decision makers have to

885
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 6: put both those pieces together at the same time.

886
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 5: So it's going on right now too.

887
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 3: Mac.

888
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 7: That's why Mike Borgonzi, Titans general manager, told us it's

889
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 7: the February darkness. You know, you're in the facility, grind

890
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 7: and table. You're going seven eight to seven p and

891
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 7: then side meetings till midnight because you're looking not only

892
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,399
Speaker 7: at the college prospects, but free agent stuff too.

893
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 6: We sure, and it's important. It's like when you come

894
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 6: in as a new staff. I mean you spend you

895
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 6: spend a lot of times working on your playbook. You

896
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 6: spend times working on the current roster that you're getting

897
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 6: to know, but you also have to spend your time

898
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 6: looking at prospects coming into you. But it all is

899
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 6: one part of what. It has to go on together.

900
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 6: It cannot go on separately, and it doesn't.

901
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 2: Ramona is a player.

902
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: How plugged in are you to everything that's happening within

903
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: your team when it comes to free agency coming up,

904
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: when it comes to who they may or may not

905
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: be looking at in a draft.

906
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 2: How plugged in do you stay to something like that?

907
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,240
Speaker 8: It depends on the era that you're in as a player.

908
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:52,240
Speaker 8: That is huge. If it's your contract year. Everything, Okay,

909
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 8: what is my agent saying that the team is saying

910
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 8: about me? What can I do? What information? As you said,

911
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 8: are you bringing back to me? Unplug And then later

912
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 8: in my years when I got let's go years eight, nine, ten, eleven.

913
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 8: Every single year, who they're talking about is a position

914
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 8: of need up here are they looking at guards? It's

915
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 8: this a good guard class this year? Who else is

916
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 8: another free agent guard that I might have to compete against.

917
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 8: It's more than just playing the game, like we play

918
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 8: a game behind a business model is what I tell

919
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 8: a lot of people. The game is the forefront, but

920
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 8: the business in the workings that happen. It causes anxiety

921
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 8: a lot of stress. The need to perform is always

922
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 8: there too. Because we did this last year. You did

923
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 8: it last year, coach Mack, You've done this for thirty

924
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 8: plus years. There's a new guy every single year coming

925
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,240
Speaker 8: in and the moment that you slipped is the moment

926
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 8: pick number eighteens in your spot and here you are

927
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 8: finding another team to go to it is a fragile

928
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 8: but very very very necessary game that you played this

929
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 8: time of year. It can be fun if you are

930
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 8: starter and you know you you know what solidified yourself

931
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 8: as a good teammate. But it's just a constant reminder.

932
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,720
Speaker 8: But I'm gonna be honest about it about how quick

933
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 8: you can be out of this league and outside in

934
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 8: that lobby trying to find a team that'll look at you.

935
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: So the off season isn't necessarily the relaxing time that

936
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: everyone inventions it to be.

937
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 8: The best breath of fresh air I had was the

938
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 8: call I had to say, I'm done. Yeah, every at

939
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 8: the end of the season. Let's said the season ends

940
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 8: January fifth, and that old days before they had the

941
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 8: seventeenth game. I'd probably go up until February. Second of

942
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,720
Speaker 8: just okay, I can relax a little bit. I couldn't

943
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 8: fully relax because I know workers had to start early February.

944
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,800
Speaker 8: And then I tell people, most times, you're serious about

945
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 8: your craft. And sometimes there are uber athletes that are

946
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:47,879
Speaker 8: just born. They can put on shoes and just run

947
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 8: and jump and life comes to them easy in the

948
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 8: sports world, but for the majority of the NFL, when

949
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 8: the season is on and you're in it, and you're

950
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 8: an active player, you're never off. So these conversations matter.

951
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 8: Think about Deshaun Watson and Cleveland. He's hear in conversation

952
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 8: that his team is eyeballing the quarterback. He's got guaranteed

953
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 8: money for them. Yeah, but his replacement may be drafted

954
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 8: this year dependent upon what's available to Cleveland whenever they

955
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 8: decide to pick. So Amy, you pay attention, you try

956
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 8: to block it out. That's what a mental fortituo. The

957
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 8: mental toughness that we always speak about plays a part

958
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 8: in surviving because a lot of it can just be

959
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 8: that too. Survive availability and be in a system that

960
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 8: allows you to be successful. It it's almost scientific, but

961
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 8: it's not. It's a game of big dudes hitting other

962
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,720
Speaker 8: big dudes that are fast and some are bigger.

963
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 3: It's unique.

964
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 5: Man.

965
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 8: I love it, but it can make you hate it

966
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 8: at the same time because that stress level coach match.

967
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 8: I'm sure as a coach you never really unless you're

968
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 8: winning the Super Bowl. The stress of performing and having

969
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 8: a very good team is always there.

970
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 6: Thirty nine years ago, Mike Dicka hired me, and the

971
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 6: first thing he told me when he offered me a job,

972
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:06,760
Speaker 6: which shocked me, you know, and he said, just remember, kid,

973
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 6: I think you're going to have a nice career, but

974
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 6: just remember every day in this league for you just

975
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 6: starting out for me, oh, he was a Hall of

976
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 6: fame player and a hall of fame coach. Every day

977
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 6: in this league, if you're in the guts of it

978
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 6: is an interview. Every day is an interview. And the

979
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 6: day you forget that is the day somebody's going to

980
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 6: step over you.

981
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, truly good advice.

982
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 6: I mean lasted for me for thirty nine years. It

983
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 6: worked somehow.

984
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,720
Speaker 1: My advice on my first day was like, get a hobby.

985
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: Most of us drink that counts And I.

986
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 2: Was like, all right, yours is a little bit more stage,

987
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 2: I think.

988
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 4: And what comes back.

989
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 8: What didn't Smiths saying too, is uh, there's a long

990
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 8: line of player, coaches, front office personnel that can now

991
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 8: wait to jump.

992
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 4: Over you to take your job too.

993
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,439
Speaker 5: The list is long, and it's it is every day.

994
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 2: Rett.

995
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: I want to ask you to peel back the curtain

996
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 1: if you wouldn't mind, because we have been here in

997
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 1: Indianapolis gathering all this information, talking to all these different people.

998
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: You've been at the podiums, listening to everybody talk and

999
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: really getting an understanding of these players. What do you

1000
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 1: do with all of the stuff we've gathered this week

1001
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 1: to use and just organize and put it all together

1002
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: in preparation for the draft at the end of April.

1003
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 7: So I've spent the last few days talking. What I do,

1004
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 7: first of all, is that the super duper big prospects,

1005
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 7: I don't go to those podium I will. I will

1006
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 7: go to eavesdrop and hear questions and answers, but there's

1007
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 7: so many people there it's it's hard to get a

1008
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 7: recording device there to get some good audio. So I

1009
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 7: go to some of the lesser populated ones, especially ones

1010
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 7: with prospects that I've been reading about that I like

1011
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 7: that I've seen, and interesting stories, and a lot of

1012
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 7: times you'll be able to ask them just straight up

1013
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 7: one on one questions as people milled in and out

1014
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 7: of those podium piles. And so anyway, I take all

1015
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 7: of that stuff and I will go back and chop

1016
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 7: it up into either cuts that we'll use during our

1017
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 7: draft coverage, or you know, if it's something good, I'll have,

1018
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,399
Speaker 7: you know, a couple of questions and answers in there

1019
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 7: when a player is selected and you know, hopefully it's

1020
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 7: a Titan, that's you know, they've been selected as But

1021
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 7: it's just the genesis of this conversation and all week,

1022
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 7: and what Mac reminds us is this is still dealing

1023
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 7: with people's people business, and so I'm very interested in

1024
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 7: the people involved in seeing their dreams come true and

1025
00:48:54,920 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 7: seeing how close they are to their reality. For example,

1026
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 7: you know, I talked about this guy when we were

1027
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 7: at the Senior Bowl a few weeks ago, but the

1028
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 7: linebacker from South Carolina, Demetrius Knight, long and winding road,

1029
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 7: and able to talk to him some more at his

1030
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 7: podium availability this week. He was a He was a

1031
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 7: running quarterback in high school at two hundred and fifteen pounds,

1032
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 7: and so that's why he spent four years at Georgia

1033
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 7: Tech trying to figure out how to play off ball linebacker.

1034
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:35,280
Speaker 7: And though so between all the extra years of eligibility

1035
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 7: that you know, college players have gotten in the you know,

1036
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 7: COVID the whole thing, he went to Charlotte, played there,

1037
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 7: and he said that's where he really learned how to

1038
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 7: play his position and play it with speed. And at

1039
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 7: the two hundred and forty pounds. He'll weigh in at

1040
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 7: this week and be able to kiss the dreams of

1041
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,919
Speaker 7: being a running quarterback good bye, because he said, I'll

1042
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 7: be honest, I thought I saw myself at this event

1043
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 7: as a as a running quarterback. And he said, just

1044
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 7: how blessed he is now to be able to show

1045
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 7: off the testing abilities and show off his brightness, and

1046
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 7: he is bright with these interviews. He's got a little

1047
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 7: boy seven months old. He's got a little girl, it's two.

1048
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 7: He's married, has two children. And you know, I told

1049
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 7: you he's a guy who was driving for Uber Eats

1050
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 7: or whatever after ballgames on Saturdays in Charlotte just to

1051
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 7: make ends meet. And then he went to South Carolina,

1052
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 7: had a really nice year, put on some good tape,

1053
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 7: and he's gonna have his chance to play in the NFL.

1054
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: That's awesome, guys. I love this event. It just makes

1055
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: me so happy to be here. But now we're going

1056
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: back to Nashville, and there's more work to be done

1057
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 1: because at the end of the at the end of

1058
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: this spring, we need to have a roster on our

1059
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: hands for the starting of a roster, so there's a

1060
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 1: lot to do. It would be good to get back

1061
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,280
Speaker 1: home and get back to work.

1062
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:02,399
Speaker 2: So thank you.

1063
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 1: Guys for all of your hard work this week. This

1064
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: is this is a bear of a week. We do

1065
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: a lot, we go hard, we eat a lot of

1066
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 1: really good food. Just not to make Abay jealous, but

1067
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 1: we are.

1068
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:15,760
Speaker 2: We're eating like kings this week.

1069
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: But now it's time to go home, maybe get on

1070
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: an exercise bike or something, and get back to work.

1071
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: So thank you all for all of your hard work.

1072
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 1: Thank you to all of our guests throughout this week,

1073
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:28,439
Speaker 1: we so appreciate your time.

1074
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 2: And thank you to the ot people.

1075
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: Thank you for listening and coming along with us on

1076
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: this crazy trip. We look forward to getting back to

1077
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 1: Nashville and just keeping this whole thing rolling. So for

1078
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: Coach mac Ret, Brian Roman Foster, I'm Amy Wells.

1079
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 2: I know who you guys are. To shut up. Thank

1080
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 2: you for listening to the OTP