1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: The Democrat House impeachment managers have concluded their case against 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:09,719 Speaker 1: former President Trump. The second impeachment trial in one year 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: of Donald Trump, seems to be heading for a conclusion, 4 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: and we are going to speak with a man who 5 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: is watching it all, is going to be a juror 6 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: on the case, and has spent most of today speaking 7 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 1: with the Trump legal team. This is Verdict with Ted Cruz. 8 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Verdict with Ted Cruz. I am Michael Knowles. 9 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: It's funny that we're in the midst of this impeachment 10 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: trial of the former president and the bigger news of 11 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: the day would seem to be Disney firing one of 12 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: their big TV stars, Gina Krano, other news cancel culture, 13 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:50,480 Speaker 1: not just affecting the former president, but affecting conservative journalists 14 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: as well. We will get to all of that, but 15 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: I do have to ask you, Senator, what is going 16 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: on today. I know that the Democrats concluded their case, 17 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: but unlike last year, it seems like there's just not 18 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:06,400 Speaker 1: a lot being reported. It seems like kind of an 19 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: opaque process. We don't even know how long this thing 20 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 1: is going to go, So could you just briefly tell 21 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 1: us about how that case concluded, and then what the 22 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: Trump legal team is thinking? Well, sure, I think the 23 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: kind of quick bottom line is that the Democrats failed 24 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: to get the job done and they've run out of steam. 25 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: So they were given sixteen hours, they were given eight 26 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: hours both days. They ended up finishing four or five 27 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 1: hours early today, so they quit early. And I think 28 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 1: it was because they had been number one, unbelievably repetitive, 29 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: making the same points over and over again. In fact, 30 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 1: I had fun today. Claire McCaskill, you remember, the former 31 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: Democratic senator from Missouri, tweeted out that she thought the 32 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: House manager's case was getting really repetitive and redundant and 33 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: kept repeating itself. She didn't quite do that, but I 34 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: thought you would appreciate that. And I saw that and 35 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: just hit retweet like with no commentary whatsoever. I'm just 36 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: I'm sure Claire love that I was retweeting her. But 37 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: she was right on that, you know, I mean even 38 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: a stop plus she's right, She's right. So they ran 39 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: out of steam, and the bottom line is they didn't 40 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: get the job done, and so where are we now? 41 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: Tomorrow the President's defense lawyers will present their case. They 42 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: have a total of sixteen hours over two days. They 43 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: will not take all that time. They will take substantially 44 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: less time than that. And so after we finished today, 45 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: I went and sat down with the lawyers. I actually 46 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: grabbed Lindsey Graham and I grabbed Mike Lee and said, hey, 47 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: let's go sit down and just talk through with the 48 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: lawyers what they're planning and give our thoughts. And so 49 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: the three of us went in President's defense team. They're 50 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: they're meeting in the LBJ room, which is actually the 51 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: room where in non COVID times, the Senate minority has lunch. 52 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: So they're in what will be our lunch room. Sadly, 53 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: we weren't in the LBJ room for the last six years, 54 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: but we will have moved back to the LBJ room 55 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: once COVID is over. With this sort of sort of 56 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: smirking portrait of LBJ looking down on you, and it's 57 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: it's right off the side of the Senate floor. And 58 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 1: so what happened. Lindsay shared his thoughts, Mike shared his thoughts. Um, 59 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: I I'm going to refrain from saying what they had 60 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: to say, but I'm happy to tell you and and 61 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 1: verdict listeners what I had to say. Well, I would 62 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: like to know sort of your your advice for the 63 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: legal team, because I know, on the one hand, people 64 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: are thinking, look, this case is over. As you made 65 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: I think very clear last night, it ain't gone anywhere. 66 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: They're they're not going to convict Trump. And so as 67 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: a practical matter, they're obviously not going to remove him 68 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: from office because that's not possible, and they're not going 69 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: to convict him anyway. But as a historical matter, this 70 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: really does matter. I mean, this is setting a new precedent. 71 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: I guess that you know, this could have a huge 72 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: political effects into the future. So the arguments they make 73 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: are going to redound throughout history, There's no doubt. And 74 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: and we've had two days of the Democrats pounding their narrative, 75 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: and so there needs to be a counter story. What 76 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: I started out saying is actually what you just said. 77 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 1: As I said, look, you got you got to remember 78 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: you've already won. There are not sixty seven votes to convict. There. 79 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: There are fifty five votes to convict plus minus two. 80 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: I think there's a low of fifty three. I think 81 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: there's a high of fifty seven. And that's really the 82 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: band that's in play. So my opening advice was don't 83 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,119 Speaker 1: do anything to screw it up, don't you know, don't 84 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: piss anyone off. You know. Related to that, my advice 85 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: was be calm. I thought the jurisdictional argument, Uh, for 86 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: President Trump's lawyers, at times, they got a little hot, 87 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: they got a little angry, and I encourage them be calm, 88 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: be reasonable, be rash and all. The way I put 89 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: it is I said, think more like an appellate argument, 90 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 1: like you're arguing to Supreme Court justices, and less like 91 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: a jury argument. So we'll see if they follow through 92 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: on that. The most important advice I had, I said, look, 93 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: we've had two days of the Democrat House managers arguments, 94 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: and ninety percent of what they've done has focused on 95 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: being emotional and powerful and telling the story of what 96 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 1: happened on January sixth, telling the story of the assault, 97 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 1: the attack on the Capitol, telling the story of the 98 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: police officers who are physically assaulted, telling the story of 99 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: Officer sick Nick who was murdered that day. And I 100 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: gotta say they did it powerfully, the Democrats. They have 101 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: some good trial lawyers, they have some good storytellers, and 102 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 1: so as they told that story over and over again. 103 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: It was powerful and effective, and that was ninety percent 104 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: of their argument. And my advice to the Trump lawyers 105 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: disagree with none of it. Look, yes, we agree everyone 106 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 1: in this jury, all the senators were here that day. 107 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: It was a horrific terrorist attack. It was despicable, and 108 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: anyone who committed crimes of violence that day should be 109 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: fully prosecuted and locked up a long long time. And 110 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: so don't argue with them on that. That is indisputably true. 111 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: Everyone in the Senate understands that, believes that, and everyone 112 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 1: agrees on it. The only question before the Senate is 113 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: whether President Trump committed high crimes or misdemeanors. And there's 114 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: only one that is charged, and that is incitement, incitement 115 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: of violence. And I pointed out in the entire sixteen 116 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: hours they had allocated, the Democratic House managers devoted about 117 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 1: fifteen minutes to that question. And it was the second 118 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: to last speech that the House managers gave. It was 119 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: Congressman from Colorado is actually a talented trial lawyer, who 120 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: got up and he spent about fifteen minutes laying out 121 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: the legal argument why they believe this constitute's incitement and 122 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: to be honest, it's the only relevant moment. In fact, 123 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: I said, in the entire time, it's the only time 124 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: I pulled out a notepad and made any notes, because 125 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: it was the only time they actually said anything relevant 126 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: to the question before the body. What the House managers 127 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: articulated was a three part standard for incitement. They said, 128 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: number one was violence foreseeable, Number two did President Trump 129 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: encourage the violence? And number three was the president's conduct willful? 130 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: So I wrote those three down, and the point I 131 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: made to the Trump lawyers, I said, first of all, 132 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: you'll notice those three elements are not found anywhere in 133 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: a statute. They're not elements of a crime that they're 134 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: not actually the elements of incitement. They're not found in Brandenburg, 135 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court case that talks about incitement and lays 136 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: out the constitutional standard. They literally just made them up. Yeah, 137 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: that's a very strange way to prosecute a crime. As 138 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: I said, look, you know, a lot of the lawyers 139 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: on the defense team have been either prosecutors or criminal 140 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: defense lawyers. The way a prosecutor proceeds if they are 141 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: charging you with a crime, there are statutory elements of 142 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: the crime. Here's what constitutes the crime, and the prosecutor 143 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: sets out to prove each of the elements of the crime. 144 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: That's not, in fact, how the house managers proceeded here 145 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 1: because they can't meet the statutory elements for incitement. So 146 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: they just made these three up. Okay, those are the 147 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: three they made up. I said, look, I'd start by 148 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: pointing out where did these come from? They literally just 149 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: pulled them out of whole cloth. But then here's the 150 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: critical point. I'd say, look, on any standard, the question 151 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: for the Senate to assess, is there any coherent way 152 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 1: this test can distinguish between the conduct of Donald Trump 153 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: versus the conduct of countless other political figures, including a 154 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 1: whole bunch of Democrats, Right, And and I said, look, 155 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: I think you should walk through in particular Bernie Sanders, 156 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Maxine Waters, Kamala Harris, Nancy Pelosi. 157 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: She referred to police officers as stormtroopers, compared him to Nazis. 158 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: You know, there's some rich irony that suddenly the Democrats 159 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: are the defenders of cops, of course, where for a 160 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: year they've been vilifying, demonizing police officers. They've been marching 161 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: against cops, they've been saying abolish the police. They've been 162 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: saying abolish ice. They've been embracing ACAB as a slogan, 163 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: and Michael, you know what ACAB means if all cap 164 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: cops are that's and that has been the Democratic base 165 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: that they've been snuggling up with. They don't get to 166 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: suddenly be the great and defenders of police officers. Yeah, 167 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: you know, I love this, Senator this. I guess two 168 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 1: points here in this advice that a lot of Republicans 169 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: have not recognized, which is one, don't always be on 170 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: the defensive. You can go on the offensive, or you 171 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: can point out inconsistencies, you can use the Democrats words 172 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,959 Speaker 1: against them. But but maybe even more importantly, you don't 173 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: have to accept their ridiculous premises. You know that the 174 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,959 Speaker 1: early premise that exactly that the Democrats are trying to 175 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: get these Republicans to buy into is that somehow Republicans 176 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 1: support riots at the Capitol. I don't know any serious 177 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: Republicans who say, yeah, I loved when the guy and 178 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: the bullhorns walked in there. He's my guy. Where can 179 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: I vote for him? And likewise, I mean, you've just 180 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: spelled it out so perfectly on the question of incitement. 181 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: If look, I'm not a constitutional law scholar. I'm not 182 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: a lawyer of any sort. If if I were just listening, 183 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: but you did stay at a holiday in last night, 184 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: but I did stay at the right You know, if 185 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: I were just listening to them lay out this standard 186 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: for incitement, I guess I would say, Okay, that sounds 187 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: about right. I mean, I don't know what the real 188 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: standard is. So if the legal team can go in 189 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: there and say, wait a second, just so you all know, 190 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: they completely made that up out of whole cloth, that 191 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: is not the actual standard for incitement. There is no 192 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: reason for us to accept premises that have been crafted 193 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: purely to put us at a disadvantage. We're going to 194 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 1: talk about the law. We're going to talk about what 195 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 1: is always been true. You know what the long standing 196 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: standard here for incitement. That seems much more effective than 197 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: just going along with what the Democrats are trying to 198 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: lead them. I think that's exactly right. And what I 199 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:43,959 Speaker 1: encourage the Trump lawyers to do is say, all right, 200 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: take their standard and apply it to the conduct of Democrats. 201 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: Let's take, for example, Bernie Sanders. Bernie Sanders uses all 202 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: sorts of hot incendiary rhetoric. And you'll recall we had 203 00:11:55,440 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: a crazed lunatic, a leftist who was an enthusiasm stick 204 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders supporter, who came to Washington, d C. With 205 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: an AAR fifteen, went and sought out the Congressional baseball 206 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: game practice asked are they Democrats or Republicans? The Republicans, 207 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: so he went to kill Republican members of Congress. There 208 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: were two senators there, Rand Paul and Jeff Flake that 209 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: there were a dozen or so House members there, and 210 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: he opened fire on them. And it was only the 211 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: coincidence that Steve Scalise happened to be there. So Steve 212 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: Scalise is a member of House Leadership, so his detail 213 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: was there, and there were Capitol police officers who engaged 214 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: with this crazed lunatic and stopped him, but they didn't 215 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: stop him before he had shot Steve Scalise and nearly 216 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: killed him. I mean, Steve spent months in the hospital. 217 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: I mean it was a serious wound. Steve for many 218 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 1: months after that couldn't walk, was on crutches. He's doing 219 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: much better now, but it was a life threatening injury. 220 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: And all right, let's take their three standards. Was violence 221 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: for seeable? Well, given the rhetoric Bernie was using, and 222 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: I encourage them, and you know, play videos show that 223 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: rhetoric Bernie was using. He said, they're trying to take 224 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: your health healthcare away and want you to die. Okay? 225 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: Is violence foreseeable from that? Did Burnie encourage it? I? 226 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: You know, I guarantee you. Bernie has the rhetoric saying go, fight, 227 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: stop it, go, has exactly the kind of rhetoric Donald 228 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 1: Trump used. And then was it willful under that standard? 229 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: Bernie's conduct apparently as incitement? I guess we're going to 230 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: start the removal proceedings for Bernie Sanders. Maxine Waters who 231 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: told her supporters, if you see a Republican and go 232 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: harass them, engage them, yell at them, surround them. I 233 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 1: mean that is inviting violence. By the way, Corey Booker 234 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: did the same thing, and the most compelling Chuck Schumer 235 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,559 Speaker 1: on the steps of the Supreme Court calling out to 236 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: Supreme Court justices by name and saying, you unleash the whirlwind. 237 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: You're going to pay the price. But the central example 238 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: and what I encouraged them to make it exactly side 239 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: by side as Kamala Harris. So, Kamala Harris did a 240 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: couple of things. Number one, as we had Black Lives 241 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: Matter and Antifa riots all over the country, and we 242 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: had violence going on. We had police cars being fire bombed, 243 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: we had police police officers being murdered. Kamala Harris went 244 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: on Stephen Colbert and was asked about it. Said, this 245 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: is a movement. It's powerful, and she said, and it 246 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: needs to keep going, right, it won't end, and it 247 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: shouldn't end, and it shouldn't end. She explicitly encouraged that it. 248 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: And this was, by the way, after the violence, after 249 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: the riots. Not only that, but she raised money for 250 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: bail money to bail out and by the way, it 251 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: wasn't bailing out the peaceful protesters. The people who were 252 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: arrested were the people committing acts of violence. So she 253 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: literally raised al money to support the violent criminals. And 254 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: all right, let's look at the three standards. This is 255 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: apparently the standard for incitement was violence foreseeable? It was 256 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: going on right then. It was not only foreseeable, it 257 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: was blazingly obvious and indisputable because it was happening as 258 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: she was speaking. She knew full well did she encourage it. 259 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: She explicitly said, yes, it needs to go on. Was 260 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: it willful? She raised money supporting the violent criminals? And 261 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: there's no coherent way that the standard the House Democrats 262 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: had put forward can conclude that Trump committed incitement and 263 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: Kamala Harris didn't. You can conclude rightly that neither committed 264 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: the crime of incitement. That's actually the right answer, or 265 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: you can use their made up standard, in which case, 266 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: right after we finished with Donald Trump, I guess we're 267 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: going to start an impeachment proceeding of Vice President Kamala Harris. 268 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: Right right, But you don't get both and by the way, 269 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: under their standards, in a lot of ways, Kamala's behavior 270 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: was worse. Yeah, as I told him to ask, I said, listen, 271 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: last I checked, Donald Trump isn't raising bail money for 272 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: the violent criminals. There are whole bunch people who have 273 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: been arrested. He's not raising bail money for them. She 274 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: raised money for them. So if it is, and this 275 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: is another important point I made, Michael, So the House 276 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: managers put a lot of emphasis on did President Trump 277 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: do enough to stop the riot once it's happened? Did 278 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: he denounce it? To tell him to stand down, and 279 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: I said, look, you guys got to decide as president's lawyer, 280 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: what you think about that. Frankly, I wish he'd done more. 281 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: When I look back at what he said that day, 282 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: I wish he had been clearer, more unequivocal, saying stop 283 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: this right now, immediately go home and leave. There were 284 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: a lot of Republicans calling on him to do that. 285 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: I wish he had been clear, But within an hour 286 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: or two he sent out a tweet tolling him to 287 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: stand down. He put out a video calling on him 288 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:05,719 Speaker 1: to stand down. So he did, in fact tell him 289 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: to stand down. I wish it had been clear and 290 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 1: more unequivocal, but he didn't fact do it. Come Harris 291 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 1: still hasn't done it? Yeah, right right. We had this 292 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: week Antifa and Black Lives Matter protesters marching in DC 293 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: saying burn the place down. She still hasn't told them 294 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 1: to stand down. And so if that's the test, did 295 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: you tell him to stand down after the violence erupted, 296 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: Look what we had in the chaz autonomous zones. We 297 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 1: had Democrats defending it, calling it the summer of love. 298 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: Remember that it's just harmless. Yes, people are being murdered, 299 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: but it's harmless because we agree politically with those guys. Yeah, 300 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: and so what I urge the Trump legal team is 301 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 1: to calmly, without emotion, just compare the conduct of Democrats 302 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: to what the conduct of the president, and under the 303 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 1: standard they're laying out, either we're going to start impeaching 304 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: dozens of people, or ain't nobody guilty of this because 305 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 1: this is a made up political persecution, which is again 306 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,360 Speaker 1: the right answer to what's happening. You know, I think 307 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 1: this is great advice, not just for the impeachment trial, 308 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:20,479 Speaker 1: though it is, but just generally speaking, reject their false 309 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: premises and hold them to their own standards because this 310 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: is so much bigger than impeachment. Frankly, I think impeachment 311 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: isn't even the biggest news story right now. It'll have 312 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 1: historical implications, so we really have to focus on it. 313 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: But the bigger stories right now involve cancel culture more broadly, 314 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:42,439 Speaker 1: not just canceling the former president, but canceling TV stars, 315 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: canceling journalists. And we've seen this with Gina Krano, who 316 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: is in the Star Wars show The Mandalorian. Disney has 317 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: fired her because of their accusing her of making anti 318 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,439 Speaker 1: Semitic comments. I've read all the comments. I can't find 319 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: even a hint of anti Semitism in any of them. Really, 320 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 1: I think they're going after her because broadly speaking, she's 321 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 1: been a little more conservative, she's been a little more 322 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 1: right wing, and they can't tolerate that, so they're going 323 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: after her. We've just found out that James O'Keefe, the 324 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 1: investigative journalist, a real thorn in the side of the 325 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,880 Speaker 1: liberal establishment. He's been permanently kicked off of Twitter because 326 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 1: it turns out he's now running investigations on big tech companies. 327 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: What these people have been ostracized for and censored for 328 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: would absolutely fall apart if you held the left to 329 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 1: that same standard. It seems there's one set of rules 330 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: for conservatives another one for liberals. But that's the world 331 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 1: we live in. What are we supposed to do about it? Look, 332 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: I think you're exactly right. What happened with Gina Krano 333 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 1: is nuts. I mean, number one, you have a strong, 334 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 1: kick ass character on The Mandalorian, which which lots of kids, 335 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 1: especially little girls, are are inspired by, and and you 336 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 1: know made you know, helped made Star Wars more fun 337 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: it's always been fine, and I would look. I grew 338 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: up on Star Wars. I still remember standing in line 339 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,880 Speaker 1: with my dad on opening day of Empire Strikes Back, 340 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: and we stood in line for two hours to see 341 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 1: Empire the first day it opened up. Disney. Disney is 342 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 1: not the company it used to be. Disney is a giant, corporate, 343 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:29,880 Speaker 1: politically correct propaganda outfit. And you look at here. So 344 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 1: I haven't read all of the blog posts that that 345 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: that Jinnakrona put up. I've I've seen. I actually looked 346 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: for it online and it was hard to find, but 347 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: I read stories quoting excerpts up it. So I read 348 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: the excerpts that were quoted in stories, and what I 349 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 1: read that she posted is she was saying, look, if 350 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 1: you looked at the rise of the Nazis in Germany 351 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 1: and all of the horrific things that that happened to 352 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: the Jewish people that culminated in six million Jews being 353 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: being murdered in concentration camps. That began because the Nazis 354 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:07,360 Speaker 1: demonize the Jews, they dehumanize the Jews. They they they 355 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:13,479 Speaker 1: used rhetoric that caused ordinary Germans, not SS stormtroopers, but 356 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:18,679 Speaker 1: a baker or you know, a storekeeper, to view the 357 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 1: Jews as as subhuman, as not human, to inculcate hatred. 358 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: And her point was that hatred, yes, it erupted in 359 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: the horrific, grotesquely evil genocide that was carried out by 360 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,120 Speaker 1: the Nazis, but it also manifested in day to day 361 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: barbaric inhumanity because they had been dehumanized. And from what 362 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: I read of her blog post, she was saying, you 363 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 1: know what, we're seeing that same dehumanizing happening in America 364 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 1: where people are demonizing their other, rising their political opponents, 365 00:21:55,720 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: that that if you disagree you you are not it's 366 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: not valid for you to have a different point of view. Now, 367 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 1: from what I read, she didn't say that we've become 368 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:11,959 Speaker 1: Nazi Germany. She didn't say we're erecting concentration camps. But 369 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: because she simply made the point that spreading a culture 370 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 1: of hate and dehumanizing is really dangerous and leads in 371 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: bad directions, Disney described her comments as abhorrent, and I 372 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 1: was like, saying, we shouldn't hate each other and dehumanize 373 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 1: each other. What am I missing? Unless they're portions of 374 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: the blog posts that weren't quoted in the stories, and 375 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: given that the stories are critical, I'm assuming they included 376 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 1: whatever the worst portions were. This is there's an irony 377 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:49,199 Speaker 1: that she's complaining, we're becoming hateful and intolerant of differences 378 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: and opinions. And what does Disney say, we hate your opinion, 379 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: You're fired. It would seem to me there's this even 380 00:22:55,600 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 1: deeper irony here, which is maybe the best way I 381 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:04,360 Speaker 1: can read Disney's statement is they're saying that any comments 382 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 1: that makes any comparison to Nazi Germany is unacceptable. It's abhorrant. 383 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,439 Speaker 1: We can't we can't tolerate that sort of thing. And okay, 384 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: let's just take that standard for what it is. Am 385 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 1: I wrong? Or has the left not spent the past 386 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:20,239 Speaker 1: five years calling Donald Trump literally hitler? Right? They call 387 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: him hitler. They refer to to seventy five million Americans 388 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: as Nazis neo Nazis regularly, so they make the exact 389 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 1: same analogy. And before Trump, they called George W. Bush hitler. 390 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: That's their standard. Any Republican they dislike they call hitler. Now, 391 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: my view is you shouldn't actually call people hitler unless 392 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: they are in fact genocientomdiacs that are murdering millions of people. 393 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 1: But there is a unique like in Dante's circles of Hell, 394 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: there is a unique hell. The Nazis are the most 395 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: grotesque example of evil in certainly modern times. And maybe ever, look, 396 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: there is a reason why never Forget has such power. 397 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: There's a reason why Holocaust museums are important, because it's 398 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: worth reflecting on the absolute inhumanity. You know, you look 399 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: at uh Hannah rant who who you know, wrote on 400 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: what led to the to the evil that is the Nazis, 401 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: And she had a phrase that that was really powerful, 402 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 1: the banality of evil and and and and it's worth reflecting. 403 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 1: And she really she talked about how it's not just 404 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: you know, someone cackling with horns and a red tail, 405 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:42,360 Speaker 1: like so obviously evil that that you know, you're like, okay, 406 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 1: this is this is a crazy bad guy. It was 407 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 1: the boring aspect she talked about. I think it was Eichmann, 408 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 1: how when he testified at Nuremberg, he sounded like an accountant, 409 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: that it wasn't it wasn't Hannibal lecture in Silence of 410 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: the Lambs to to sort of mixed references it wasn't like, 411 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: you know, Lecture's giant eyes on the screen, You're like, 412 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 1: oh god, that guy's really creepy and evil. But it 413 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 1: was a boring accountant simply carrying out Hitler's quote final 414 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 1: solution to murder six million people. It was It's worth 415 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: asking what conditions led to use another movie, you know, 416 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:35,120 Speaker 1: Schindler's List, which is one of the greatest movies ever. 417 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: I love Schindler's List, but it talks about how in 418 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: a different world these people would be regular, ordinary people, 419 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 1: and yet the conditions of evil made them all complicit 420 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: in this grotesque horror. We should ask what causes that 421 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: to happen? And from what I read, that's that's what 422 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 1: Gina was doing, right. I mean, just you know, take 423 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: the Nazi comparison out, because that seems to be what 424 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 1: they're objecting to. Just the circumstances and the broader point 425 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: that Gina was making it seems to be perfectly true. 426 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know how you could disagree 427 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: with it. And this is you know, it's not just 428 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: happening at it And let me jump jump in real quick, Michael. 429 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: There's also a broader pattern of evil which is that 430 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 1: dehumanizing anyone, defining them to no longer qualify as human 431 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: invariably leads to horrific oppression. And so it was integral 432 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: to what the Nazis did, but it was also integral 433 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: to slavery. And you look at at all of the 434 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: reasoning that was used to justify the horrific evil that 435 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: was slavery in America. It was based on the proposition 436 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: dread Scott. The Supreme Court decision was based on the 437 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: proposition that an African American was not a human being 438 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: but instead was defined as as property. And that is 439 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 1: incredibly dangerous and it leads to grotesque oppression and evil. 440 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: And you and I have talked about this before. That 441 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: is also the justification that is used to justify abortion, 442 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: is to say an unborn child is not a human 443 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: being that anytime you're taking and it leads to today's 444 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 1: democrats justifying things like partial birth, abortion, delivering a child 445 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: who's living, and with cold blood taking their life. All 446 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 1: of those begin with saying the person in question is 447 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: not a person, and that is a really dangerous step 448 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: one of an analysis, because step two is invariably horrific. 449 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 1: And you know, we've been hearing on the topic of 450 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 1: other rising or dehumanization. Half the country called deplorable, irredeemable. 451 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: Going back to Obama, bitter clingers, right, you know, these 452 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: people who basically ought to be ostracized from society. We're 453 00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:00,439 Speaker 1: now seeing this ostracism manifest through cancel cultures. People lose 454 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,880 Speaker 1: their jobs, they lose their platforms through the censorship, through 455 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 1: the through actual d platforming on the social media platforms. 456 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: The cancelation of journalists. James O'Keefe would be a key 457 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 1: example of this. This seems to be and that's outrageous, 458 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 1: by the way, the fact that that that social media's 459 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:22,439 Speaker 1: banned James O'Keefe. Look, James O'Keefe, the guy has done 460 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: incredible undercover journalism and they may not like that he's 461 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: exposed what people on the left are doing, including exposing 462 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: big tech. By the way, this is a protect their 463 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: own asses step because he's uncovered the corruption of big tech, 464 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: and so they're like, well, let's just muslim that that's 465 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: you know, this is trying to silence a whistleblower because 466 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: he gets whistleblowers and he engages in in undercover tactics, which, 467 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: by the way, sixty minutes does other journalistic outlets do. 468 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: But the difference is that big Tech agrees with their politics, 469 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: so that's great, But if you disagree with their politics, 470 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: this is the left is trying to consolidate power and 471 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: their systematically trying to silence every single setting voice. And 472 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: I think this word banality is very important because the 473 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: way they're doing it. What has really impressed me most 474 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: about it is how steady it is, how gradual it's 475 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: not you know, people jumping out with the devil horns 476 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: and saying, Aha, it's just this slow. More and more 477 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: people being kicked off of social media, not being permitted 478 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: to even work, or not being permitted to go to 479 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: boiling a frog. Yes, it is boiling a frog. And 480 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: you know, this gets to a mail bag question that 481 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: I was hoping to get to last night. But obviously 482 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: there was a lot a lot going on with the trial. 483 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: This is from Right Minded USA who asks he's referring 484 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: to that Time magazine article where liberal establishmentarians basically said 485 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 1: there was a conspiracy in the twenty twenty election. It 486 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: was right before our eyes. Though. It is all these 487 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: groups kind of working to make the situation more advantageous 488 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: tow amocrats. He says, in light of that Time article 489 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: that detailed the collusion between the AFLCIO, Big Tech, and 490 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: the Chamber of Commerce to win the twenty twenty election, 491 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: what does the Senator think the GOP and Conservatives should 492 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: be doing right now to build something to counteract it 493 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, and more importantly, in twenty twenty four. Look, 494 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 1: it's a great question, and that article was chilling. Number one, 495 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: Time Magazine was celebrating, Yeah, that you had the titans 496 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: of industry, the Fortune five hundred CEOs, teaming up with 497 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: big Tech and then teaming up with the big union bosses, 498 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: all of them together saying, let's work together to make 499 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: sure Donald Trump can't win this election. Let's work together 500 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: to hand this election over to Joe Biden. And by 501 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: the way, anyone who said this before the election, who 502 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: said that that the fix was in, would get ridiculed 503 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 1: as a crazy conspiracy theorist. And then afterwards Time Magazine said, oh, look, 504 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: how wonderful the fix was in. Aren't we happy because 505 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 1: we're part of the people engaged in this. Look, I 506 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: think as conservatives we need to be not naive. You 507 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: and I did a live episode in Miami last week, 508 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 1: and our big theme was big as bad. Big business 509 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 1: is bad, big government is bad, Big tech is bad. 510 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: Any big accumulation of power and money will be used. 511 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 1: You know. It's like Lord Acton said, power corrupts. Absolute 512 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 1: power corrupts absolutely giant corporation. Name me one Fortune one 513 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: hundred CEO, who's actually a courageous conservative. We'd be here 514 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: all night. It doesn't. It's why, in fact, they were 515 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: willing to get in bed with their ostensible adversary, the 516 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 1: union bosses, to preserve power. I think the answer is 517 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: we've got to empower the people. We've got to go 518 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: around big tech. I think the answer, frankly is things 519 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 1: like the podcast. I think the answer is finding ways 520 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: to empower the people and to focus on small business. 521 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 1: Look at is the small businesses that you know the 522 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: economist Chumpeter talked about creative destruction. I look, I'm interested 523 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: in small entrepreneurs, people that are shattering the status quo. 524 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: And and frankly, there are more of us than there 525 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: are of them. They're willing to use power to hold 526 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 1: on to control. But there is a common sense conservative 527 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: core in this country, and we've got to develop ways 528 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: to mobilize, educate, energize, and turn them out. That's how 529 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: we fight against it. Because you better believe they've done 530 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: it once, they're going to keep doing it again and again. 531 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 1: Those with power want to hold onto power, and the 532 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 1: only way to stop them is to take it away 533 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: from them. And the only thing powerful to do that 534 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: is the people. You know, you're you're going to be 535 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 1: accused of being a populist for saying these sorts of things, 536 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: But what you were saying is such an important point, 537 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 1: and it's something that has driven me crazy about the 538 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 1: GOP for years, which is they have all too often 539 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: cozied up to these big business in may case of 540 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 1: these oligarchs who hate our values, who often have very 541 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 1: little loyalty to the country, who push radical leftism, who 542 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 1: abuse their power, who are cronies and crooks very often. 543 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: And there's nothing particularly conservative about that. You know, Conservatives 544 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: once understood that big, unlimited power is a danger to 545 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: the people into constitutional government, whether it's in a government 546 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 1: bureaucracy or whether it's in a corporate bureaucracy. I think 547 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: that's exactly right. And there's another dynamic. Look, I'm not 548 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: interested in attacking a company that's a job creator and 549 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: trying to destroy them. I like jobs. I want as 550 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,959 Speaker 1: many jobs as possible. But if you look at what 551 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: happens with big business, they almost invariably get in bed 552 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: with big government. There's a reason big business wants Joe 553 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 1: Biden wants socialism because they profit. And my view of 554 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 1: big business and I look, I've worked with lots of companies, 555 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 1: lots of employers. As I say, if if you want 556 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 1: a subsidy, if you want corporate welfare, if you want 557 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: a special hand at out, I ain't your guy. Yeah, 558 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: we shouldn't be in the business of corporate welfare, of 559 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: benefititing corporations doesn't mean I'm going to go out and 560 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 1: try to destroy businesses that are giving people good livelihoods. 561 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 1: But you know, the big companies of the world, they 562 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:17,439 Speaker 1: don't need government's help. Also, what big business does, it's 563 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 1: not just that they want subsidies and welfare. They want 564 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: government to hammer the little guys. So big business goes 565 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 1: to government and says, you know, the only thing that 566 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,879 Speaker 1: can beat us is some upstart small business that might 567 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: challenge us, can you shut them down? And and that 568 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 1: pattern it is they're both focused on maintaining the power 569 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:45,479 Speaker 1: of the status quo. And it's look conservatives who believe 570 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 1: in the free market. There's something revolutionary about the free market. 571 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,879 Speaker 1: You look at socialist countries and communist countries. There are 572 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: giant companies that are the status quo. Nothing changes when 573 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 1: government has control of the economy. Who vers in charge 574 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 1: stays in charge. It is about maintaining power. There is 575 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:11,799 Speaker 1: a a chaos that status tte in a free market society. 576 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 1: But that's incredibly good for prosperity and opportunity because it 577 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 1: means little guys can achieve great things. You don't have 578 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 1: to be born into the lucky sperm club of just 579 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 1: happening to be you know, gosh, I was born in 580 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:25,800 Speaker 1: the right family, So who I get to be a 581 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,760 Speaker 1: duke or what have you? Instead, it is you succeed 582 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 1: based on the content of your character. I did not 583 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 1: anticipate the phrase lucky sperm club coming up on the 584 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 1: show tonight, but I think the point is very, very important, 585 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,439 Speaker 1: and this is really what we're talking And by the way, 586 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 1: if we do get sponsors and advertisers, let's turn them down. 587 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 1: If if that's actually like, you know, sort of a 588 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 1: CD club, let's just not take that one is they 589 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 1: have no place on this show. But you know that 590 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 1: that is really what we're talking about here, is the 591 00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 1: future because this impeachment trial, this whole thing that's happening 592 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 1: right now, it feels like we're just stuck in mud. 593 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 1: That is coming to an end, and we'll have to 594 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 1: look to the future, the future for the conservative movement 595 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: and the future for the country. And Michael, two things 596 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 1: to go back where we started. Two things just to 597 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,960 Speaker 1: close out on of advice that I gave the Trump lawyers. 598 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,840 Speaker 1: Number one, I said that the House managers keep using 599 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: the word insurrectionist, and my advice to the Trump lawyers 600 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,799 Speaker 1: is don't repeat that. I would refer to them either 601 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,839 Speaker 1: as rioters or violent criminals. And the reason is, look, 602 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 1: insurrection actually has a definition under the law. An insurrection 603 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,320 Speaker 1: is an organized it's like a revolution. It's designed to 604 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,720 Speaker 1: overturn the government and to take over the country. That's 605 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 1: the Democrats political narrative. It's why they keep using insurrectionist 606 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 1: insurrectionist insurrectionists. It's, by the way, why they also apologize 607 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,920 Speaker 1: for and brush under the rug the rioters who are 608 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,279 Speaker 1: burning cities all across the country because they say, oh, well, 609 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 1: they're not insurrectionists, They're just murderers. Murderers are okay for 610 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 1: peaceful protesters. And my advice I told the Trump players, look, 611 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 1: don't make the argument about whether they're insurrectionists or not. 612 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 1: That is quicksand just don't buy into the democrats phrasing 613 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 1: of terms. Just call them what they are, unquestionably, which 614 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 1: is violent criminals. And then a second thing that I 615 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,239 Speaker 1: told them, As I said, look sitting on the Republican 616 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,319 Speaker 1: side of the Senate floor and talking with a lot 617 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,280 Speaker 1: of the Republican senators as I have been during this trial, 618 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:36,759 Speaker 1: a sentiment that is very widely felt is real frustration 619 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:43,439 Speaker 1: with the Democrats of their hypocrisy. And the hypocrisy is rich. 620 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 1: You know. I mentioned before how they're waxing eloquently about 621 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 1: how much they love police officers after spending a year 622 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 1: demonizing cops. One of the house managers did a presentation 623 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,239 Speaker 1: of protesters who showed up at the house of I 624 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,160 Speaker 1: think it was the Michigan Secretary of State, and that 625 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,319 Speaker 1: it was a high dungeon. Just can you believe they 626 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,040 Speaker 1: would come to the house. How terrible that is. And 627 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,360 Speaker 1: I got to tell you, most of the Republican Senators, 628 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 1: we've had protesters coming to our house. I had a 629 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,840 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago protesters put three full sized coffins 630 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,839 Speaker 1: in my front yard while Heidi was at home and 631 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,320 Speaker 1: while my kids were at school, and virtually all of 632 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 1: us have had this happened. Susan Collins leftist protesters dropped off. 633 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,760 Speaker 1: I think it was hundreds of bodybags at her home. 634 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:36,399 Speaker 1: Not only that, they threatened both Susan Collins and her 635 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:41,120 Speaker 1: staff with sexual assault, they threatened to rape them. Eric Swalwell, 636 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 1: who's one of the House impeachment managers, when they did that, 637 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 1: he tweeted out in response to the threats of rape 638 00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:52,440 Speaker 1: against Susan Collins and her staff, he tweeted out, boo hoo, 639 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 1: crimea river. These guys, the hypocrisy. And by the way, 640 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:04,720 Speaker 1: Susan remembers at Yeah, so when we're listening to these 641 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:10,920 Speaker 1: democrats suddenly decry, oh, we don't like people coming to 642 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 1: your house. Okay, I actually agree that you shouldn't be 643 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:18,120 Speaker 1: coming to any public officials house and terrorizing their family. 644 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 1: Engage in a free speech in the public square, but 645 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 1: leave people's families and homes alone. But the Democrats don't. 646 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 1: They've remained silent, and not just silent, they've cheered it 647 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:33,840 Speaker 1: on when it's their leftist supporters harassing others, and now 648 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,799 Speaker 1: suddenly they discovered virtue. And I think, I think tomorrow 649 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,799 Speaker 1: in the president lawyer's presentation, we're going to see the 650 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 1: theme of hypocrisy coming out pretty powerfully, and I think 651 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:50,080 Speaker 1: that will resonate certainly among Republican Senators. It's it's something 652 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,040 Speaker 1: that a lot of Republican Senators when we sit down 653 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,879 Speaker 1: for lunch before the trial, a lot of us are 654 00:39:55,960 --> 00:40:01,640 Speaker 1: thinking and pretty irritated with the earlier than now since 655 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,280 Speaker 1: we're getting from the House managers. Well, if that advice 656 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 1: can in any way persuade this legal team and the 657 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,920 Speaker 1: Republicans more broadly to hold Democrats to their own standards, 658 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,480 Speaker 1: that will be a massive step forward and an advantage. 659 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,799 Speaker 1: We have to leave it there, but we will get 660 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,600 Speaker 1: into a whole lot more, I assume, depending on how 661 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:24,320 Speaker 1: long it takes to finally equit President Trump former President 662 00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,160 Speaker 1: Trump in the impeachment trial of a now private citizen, 663 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,719 Speaker 1: we will obviously break down more of that. Thank you 664 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,920 Speaker 1: to everyone for subscribing. 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