WEBVTT - Luke’s Diner: Stay for Dinner 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:20.120 I Am all In again, Luke's Diner with Scott Patterson 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:22.000 an iHeartRadio podcast. 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:26.040 Hey Everybody, Scott Patterson, I Am all in Podcast, one 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:30.560 of them productions. iHeartRadio Media. I heart podcast. Luke's Diner 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:35.720 with the one and Only. Yes, we have our Lisa Lobe. Lisa, 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:38.120 how are you welcome to the show. 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:40.360 Thank you so much for having me. 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:43.559 It is a pleasure. We're excited to get into it 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:46.680 with you. Let me tell everybody a little bit about 0:00:46.720 --> 0:00:50.960 you if they don't already know. You're a Dallas native, 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:56.600 you are a Grammy Award winning singer songwriter, and your 0:00:56.600 --> 0:01:00.760 first number one hit with your platinum singer goal Stay 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:03.920 I missed You from Reality Bites making history. Is the 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:08.759 first pop artist to top the charts without a recording contract. 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:12.399 I did not know that. What an accomplishment. Back in 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:16.360 two thousand and four, Lisa co hosted Food Network show 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:19.319 called duezl and Lisa with fellow rock musician diezl Zappa. 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:25.759 She recently teamed up with Any nominated Voice actress Debbie 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:31.600 dry Berry on the single The compost Been as an 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:35.319 eco friendly anthem promoting composting. She's a lover of music, obviously, 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:38.279 food and our beautiful planet Earth. 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:41.199 Welcome, Lisa, thank you so much. 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:45.360 Let's get into this with your Food Network show. That 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:48.240 was your idea, right, the show was our idea. 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:52.520 It was really strange. At the time I was dating 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:55.320 deuesel Zappa, it was a million years ago, and he 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:57.320 and I were both obsessed with the Food Network. I 0:01:57.320 --> 0:01:59.960 think it was like sort of early not early days, 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:03.560 like middle early days of Food Network. Literally just watching 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:06.560 Food Network all the time. It was probably the TVO years, 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:09.640 you know, it was before it was after VHS, but 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:13.320 before the crazy streaming binge watching we're doing today. But 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:16.680 there were so many shows we both loved cooking, interested 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:20.040 in cooking, and I put out a record called Cake 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:24.799 and Pie with the word and underlined, and which was 0:02:24.840 --> 0:02:27.480 really philosophical. It was like, if somebody offers you cake 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:30.400 and pie, I mean it's also real. If somebody offers 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:33.160 me cake and pie, I always just usually want both. 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:35.240 I want all of it, and that's like life. I 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:37.359 want all of it. If I can, you know, you 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:40.080 might as well say sure, I'll have cake and pie. 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:43.760 So it was philosophical, but it also really connected us 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:46.160 with a chef that we were friendly with named Mark Tarbell, 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:48.919 who's a well known chef in the Arizona area. He's 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:52.280 also been on Food Network a lot and has won 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:56.280 many Emmys for his shows in Phoenix. But we talked 0:02:56.320 --> 0:02:58.360 to Mark and we were like, oh, we should do 0:02:58.520 --> 0:03:01.720 a promotion where we may we play music and then 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:05.560 we also make make cake or pie on stage and 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:09.120 everybody gets to try it. And Mark was going to 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:12.760 be our pie of an roadie and uh. We presented 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:15.560 it to Innerscope Records, which was the record company at 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:18.600 the time, and they didn't want to support it. They 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:22.239 didn't they didn't want to pay for that, uh, interesting 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:25.399 marketing thing. We went ahead and did it a couple 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:27.400 of times and it was actually very successful and it 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:31.040 was really really fun, and so we decided, you know what, 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:33.800 let's see maybe the Food Network could fit us in somewhere. 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:36.320 We could be a guest on a show, because there's 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:39.080 the whole food theme and the baking theme and it's 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:41.480 one of our big interests. And so we had a 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:44.520 meeting with the Food Network with a producer we knew 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:48.560 from Broadway Video, and instead of fitting us into another show, 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:50.240 they said, why don't you guys have your own show? 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:52.560 So we got our own show, and it was at 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:56.160 the beginning of like Info infotainment, you know, we were 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:57.720 going to be to us. It was a way for 0:03:57.800 --> 0:03:59.560 us to get into the kitchens with all of these 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:04.680 profession amazing sometimes world famous chefs go to different cities. 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:07.400 Food Network wanted it to be reality based as well. 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:12.040 So you see us on tour, playing concerts, doing golf tournaments, 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:15.920 you know, and we learned how to bake my mom's 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:20.400 special cookies or his mom's special dish. We met with 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:24.040 famous chefs and sometimes other celebrities like Bill Murray would 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:26.599 come with us down in the basement of this amazing 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:29.479 restaurant called Sugar that used to exist in Chicago, and 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:32.360 we'd work, we'd cook together, and it was just this great. 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:36.080 It was a lot of eating, but it was It 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:39.040 was a great experience and a good experience learning about 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:41.840 TV and production and how that works as well. 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:45.560 Wow, So this is the traveling series change the way 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:46.520 you cook or eat it home? 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:51.120 Yeah, I mean everything, because we learned so much from everybody, 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:53.200 from fred Eric, who's a great chef out here in 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:58.159 la There's just such a camaraderie between musicians, like the 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:03.120 creativity of making something and chefs, and like chefs like 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:05.640 my friend Mark Charbell. You go to his restaurant, you 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:08.680 always want to get the chocolate dessert, you always want 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:10.680 to get the meatballs. It's kind of like when I 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:13.400 play concerts. There's certain songs I always have to play, 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:15.400 and they always have to be fresh, and they have 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:19.200 to be feel like now and engaged, and then you've 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:21.880 got some specials that you have, and so it just 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:25.160 it Definitely I still have like a lot of the 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:29.640 tools that I bought during the making of the show, 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:32.360 lots and lots of special things I use in the kitchen. 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:36.520 And it just made me realize that there's nothing too 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:41.160 simple or too complicated in the kitchen and standing next 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:44.800 to someone. Although YouTube videos are helpful, but standing next 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:47.040 to somebody in the kitchen can really teach you a lot. 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:50.239 Right, do you cook with your children? 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:53.200 I do a little bit. I cook a lot for them. 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:55.600 I do cook with them, especially my son likes to 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:59.200 get in the kitchen these days, and sometimes he'll cook 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:03.039 for us. Really yeah, well, I don't eat steak, but 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:06.240 he loves making steak, hands on steak. He had a 0:06:06.240 --> 0:06:09.400 friend over and for fun they made nyoki and steak 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:12.800 from scratch. I mean, they didn't make the steak from scratch, but. 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:15.600 You know what I mean, you personally and as a family, 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:18.640 what kind of cakes and pies do you dream about eating? 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:22.120 Ugh, I made the best cake for my birthday. One 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:23.760 of my traditions is I like to make my own 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:27.159 birthday cake or order it an ice cream cake from 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:30.200 Baskin Robins, a chocolate chip ice cream cake, because that's 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:33.359 what I had when I was like five or four. 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:36.200 I still have the little ballerinas that went on top 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:38.599 of that cake. I love that cake. Oh, they're so good, 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:40.800 so good. The frosting what is it even made out of? 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:44.520 Like the ice cream? The cones that are clowns? Yeah, 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:47.359 the red frosting. It tastes so good. I don't know 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:47.880 what that is. 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:50.600 We just polished one off. We're going to get an 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:53.640 I told my wife, I said, reload, reload on this. 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:55.600 This is fit. It's like desserts for a week. 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:58.159 Yeah. And it's dangerous too, because you can literally I 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:01.320 realized after rushing around them for other kids' birthdays and 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:03.440 things like that, and trying to order in advance and 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:05.520 getting the perfect cake. You can literally walk in and 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:08.200 they have a whole freezer full of beautiful cakes. We 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:11.640 even got a strawberry one recently a strawberry ice cream cake. 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:15.360 But anyway, for my birthday, I like making cakes also, 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:18.960 and I had just been to oh coincidentally outside of Chicago. 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:22.000 I was right near Northwestern and my friend Aaron and 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:24.960 Scott and I ordered in from this Italian restaurant pizza. 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:28.040 But we got a dessert that was like a polenta cake, 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:32.640 like a polenta pound cake, and so I sort of 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:35.600 replicated that cake. I found a recipe like it, and 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:37.400 I messed around with a little bit. But it was 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:43.840 like a polenta pound cake with whipped cream that's mixed 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:46.840 with mascropones. So it's like this kind of heavier, not 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:49.440 super sweet whipped cream with like a tiny bit of 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:53.280 powdered sugar inside of it, and then also stewed peaches, 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:56.480 so you get this like, oh, it was so good. 0:07:56.480 --> 0:08:01.240 It's so dense and buttery and heavy because of the polina, 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:03.600 and it's got a sweetness from the polenta, but it's 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:13.000 not super super sweet. Oh that was so good. 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:19.200 Okay, I want to go back. And this isn't necessarily 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:21.400 a food question. It's a question you've heard a million 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:23.560 times before, but I don't know the answer to this, 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:27.120 and it's food for my soul because I'm a songwriter 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:32.920 as well. And take us back to before you wrote Stay, 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:38.880 how did that come about? And tell us about recording 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:44.240 it and then releasing it and the sensation of having 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:44.840 this hit. 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:46.520 What was that like? 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:48.840 How old were you and what was that like? 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:51.120 I think I was about twenty two or twenty three. 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:53.280 I was like a couple of years out of college, 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:55.280 a year and a half out of college. I had 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:57.240 been writing music since I was a little kid, and 0:08:57.280 --> 0:09:00.679 writing music with lyrics since I was in about eighth GID. 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:02.800 It's funny. I was just going through some old stuff. 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:06.360 I found the lyrics my friends. I got my two 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:08.600 best friends and I to write this song for our 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:11.800 graduating class that we all sung together on stage when 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:14.720 we graduated from high school. But it's always been something 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:17.960 I do, is write music. And I was in a 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:20.200 band all through college and we made a lot of 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:25.600 music in a couple records. But I'd always liked writing songs. 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:28.280 I was a fan of David Bowie and The Cure 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:33.040 and the Police, a lot of classic rock. I was 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:36.640 not a big singer songwritery person per se, even though 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:38.760 that's what I do, I used, you know, I got 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:40.959 an electric guitar I think is my first guitar, and 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:44.280 then I got a Yamaha acoustic, or maybe one right 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:46.160 after the other. But I was really into like The Who, 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:49.760 and I don't know, I didn't see myself as like 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:51.719 a girl with an acoustic guitar. But then little by 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:54.520 little after lugging around a huge vox I mean a 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:59.320 jazz chorus amp, because that's what Andy Summers used, that 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:03.920 huge j ass chorus amp. And my really heavy strat case, 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:06.280 you know, not the soft case, but the hard case. 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:09.040 They're very, very heavy. I'm at the teat five to 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:14.120 two person and just slinging an acoustic guitar and a 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:16.400 soft shell bag on your back or one of those 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:20.480 really cheap kind of almost cardboardy cases. That became more 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:23.560 of my thing. It was quieter when I would shyly 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:27.400 write songs in my room, even though I still love 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:30.319 electric guitars and playing them. But I sort of became 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:33.600 a singer songwriter with an acoustic guitar. Although when you 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:37.040 listen back the Cure and led Zeppelin and The Who 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:39.480 and everybody else have a lot of big acoustic guitar. 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:42.440 Rock songs that hole Who's Next Is it pretty much 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:43.280 an acoustic album. 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:47.160 That's beautiful, a lot of and rock with acoustic. But yeah, 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:50.880 I love music so much. But anyway, so I sort 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:54.320 of avoided writing personal songs. My point is I avoided 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:57.480 writing songs that felt super super personal. I thought I 0:10:57.600 --> 0:11:01.319 was being oblique, somebody else said to me the other day. 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:03.840 I thought I was. When I look back at some 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:06.000 of my early songs, they're pretty obvious. But I didn't 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:07.760 know that. I thought I was being kind of poetic 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:11.679 and abstract. But for the first time, I kind of 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:14.079 let myself write a song about something that was going 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:19.560 on in my life that was kind of straightforward about 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:22.720 a relationship, about the relationship I had. It was actually 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:24.920 with my producer boyfriend. He was my producer and my 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:27.400 boyfriend for many years now. I still am good friends 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:29.840 with him, and he does most of the photography you 0:11:29.840 --> 0:11:32.600 see if me, the professional photography you see he does. 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:35.440 But anyway, that's on a side. I wrote something that 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:37.800 just like we were having an argument and I'm like ah, 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:41.000 and it was like writing about that, and that's where 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:44.800 it started. Lyrically, at the same time, I had just 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:47.920 signed with BMI a couple of years earlier, the organization 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:52.280 that helps to collect your royalties and when your songs 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:54.440 were played on the radio. And they're a great resource 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:56.720 for up and coming musicians as well, because it's just 0:11:56.920 --> 0:11:58.559 it's a place that's not a record company or a 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:03.760 publishing company. That's great community of professional music people. But anyway, 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:05.640 so I heard through one of the people I worked 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:08.800 with there that Daryl Hall was looking for solo songs 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:10.880 for a Daryl Hall record, and I'm a huge fan 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:13.280 of Hall of Notes as well, and I was trying 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:14.559 to write a song that was like one of those 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:17.640 R and B kind of Sarah smiles, Sarah smile kind 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:22.000 of songs. So that's where the music groove came from. 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:25.960 I very soon thereafter found out that opportunity was not 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:28.800 happening at all. So I started putting my lyrics to 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:31.840 those chords, and the song lyrics go off in some 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:34.839 different directions, but that's where it started. I finished writing 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:37.600 it when I was at Berkeley Summer School in Boston. 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:40.319 I went to summer school there weirdly as a grown up, 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:41.640 you know, I thought I was so grown up. I 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:45.040 was in my early twenties, but mostly it's teenage kids 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:49.440 and honestly mostly teenage boys at the time. And I 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:52.840 finished the song there and I and then there were 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:55.600 some record companies interested in New York City that were 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:57.559 getting interested in signing me. I was doing all the 0:12:57.559 --> 0:13:01.320 different music festivals and south By Southwest and things like that, 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:05.600 and so one of the record companies had given me 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:07.240 a demo deal, where they give you some money to 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:09.760 make a recording. So I was recording a few songs 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:12.920 with a producer named Kevin Salem, and we did a 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:15.160 version of Stay that was kind of more rock because 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:16.840 I just wanted to. I'm like, why is all my 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:19.400 music so acoustic? You know, can't I make it more rock? 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:23.880 And I had a band and everything. But then Juan Fatino, 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:25.679 who is the producer I was talking about, we had 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:27.560 made it. We had made a recording of a bunch 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:29.839 of songs already. He's like, let me take a let 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:32.400 me take a stab at this with you. So we 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:34.720 took the band to his apartment in New York City 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:37.679 on fifty second Street, his one his two bedroom apartment 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:39.640 where he had set up a little studio which was 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:43.080 sort of unusual at the time, and we recorded, you know, 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:45.480 with the drums in one room and the bass in 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:49.320 the other room and this New York City apartment and 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:53.720 recorded to a DATS, which are basically like VHS tapes 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:57.880 or Beta tapes actually, and then I recorded my vocal 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:00.360 in the closet with those kind of barn do that 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:03.199 kind of wiggle on their hinges that hang down from 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:05.960 the ceiling. And we did get a really nice mic, 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:10.439 a C twelve that we rented. But we had been 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:12.360 doing a lot of recordings and so this was We 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:16.800 did a handful of songs, including Stay, and so that's 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:21.040 how the song was recorded and mostly recorded and written. 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:25.720 And then the opportunity came up for Reality bites Ethan Hawk, 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:27.720 who was a friend of mine. I had met him 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:31.280 through another friend from college, some actor friends. I was 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:33.880 doing a lot of acting in theater in college as well, 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:38.480 and one of our common friends introduced me to Ethan Hawk, 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:40.160 and he was one of my neighbors, and we just 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:42.120 there was just a huge group of us that hung 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:45.640 out all the time. We were involved in Ethan's theater company. 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:48.360 I wrote music for his plays. We all went to 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:50.960 go see each other play music and do theater and 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:55.760 film openings and whatever, you know, playwrights and so there 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:57.400 were a lot of different things that happened. But along 0:14:57.400 --> 0:14:59.240 the way, Ethan asked me for a copy of my 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:03.280 song's Stay to pass along to Stacy Cher and Ben 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:06.720 Stiller and Karen Rackman and the people involved in the 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:09.480 movie Reality Bites, and they decided to put my song 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:12.680 into the movie in the final credits. And then RCA 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:19.720 Records was making a film what's it called again? Soundtrack? 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:24.440 A soundtrack and Ron Fair, who was very successful in soundtracks, 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:26.720 he asked, if you know, we could put the song 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:28.960 Stay on there. So that's why I'm an independent artist 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:31.240 at the time, because we licensed the song to them, 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:34.200 we did not sign with them, so I was a 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:36.720 person without a label in a good way. 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:39.440 And then. 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:44.560 The movie came out and this a radio station down 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:47.240 in Houston called KRBE wanted to put the song out 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:50.840 as a single, and so we did that and it 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:54.160 started going up the charts. And then RCA really jumped 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:57.440 on the bandwagon and are really great radio reps headed 0:15:57.760 --> 0:16:00.880 off by our friend Skip Bishop, who good friends with 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:04.320 the head of the radio department. They pushed it and 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:06.520 they did the thing, and the song kept moving up 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:09.440 the charts, and it went to number one. Wow without 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:09.920 a label. 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:10.440 Wow. 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:12.600 And actually right now it's the anniversary of it going 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:16.000 to number one three weeks in August thirty one years ago. 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:17.320 Oh, that's fantastic. 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:20.640 It's incredible. That's incredible. It was so exciting. And luckily, 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:24.840 I have so many friends and family, really good friends 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:26.840 that I've had since I was once, since I was born. 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:28.840 Literally our moms were pregnant together. But I have a 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:32.640 really solid set of friends from all eras of my 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:34.840 life that I keep up with, and so to be 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:37.360 able to have that, and also Juan, who I was 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:40.040 working with, is a very nostalgic person who also loves 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:43.720 the history of music and the excitement of having a 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:46.560 number one song, So we got to it was good 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:49.320 to have all those friends and family around to really 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:52.360 remember that it was actually happening. Because I'm a person 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:54.200 who's like, Okay, now what's next. Okay, now we're going 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:55.920 on tour. Okay, now I'm going to get the record label. 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:59.720 It's hard to sit and be in the moment. Those 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:01.720 people really helped out with them. 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:05.680 That's fantastic. You know, I too, am a huge fan 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:06.280 of Bowie. 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:09.600 Which is your favorite? What are your favorite records? 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:14.200 You know, Ziggy start Us for me, I mean they're 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:16.880 all great, but the early stuff, yeah. 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:18.840 Hunky Dory and Ziggy Stardust. 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:23.520 Yeah, just fantastic stuff. But the songwriting for such a 0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:27.320 young guy, you know, and these beautiful songs that he 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:30.600 wrote were just remarkable. And this I even listened. I 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:32.879 even listened to the stuff when he was sixteen seventeen 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:35.200 that he was releasing, all these. 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:37.280 Very childlike Jones things. 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:39.639 Yeah, they're very yeah, wow. 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:43.760 Like when I'm five, right, right, I'm five. It's so cool. 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:47.199 But I love the it just takes me to a 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:52.600 place that's so mysterious and it's other world. It's otherworldly, 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:54.560 and I don't always know what he's talking about. I 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:56.600 got to meet him once and I read you really 0:17:57.200 --> 0:17:59.359 yes in the studio and I really really wanted to 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:02.040 ask him about the Beuley Brothers, and I didn't because 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:04.080 you know, our time was short and it was just 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:06.000 small talk. Hi, how are you doing this to meet you? 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:09.520 It was before cell phones really, so there's no little 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:12.639 photo or anything. But I can't believe I got to 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:17.440 meet him. I wish, yeah, you know, he's so talented. 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:23.199 I know, I can't remember an artist or someone in 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:26.520 the entertainment isn't passing away and having it affect me 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:28.919 so deeply. I mean, it gutted me for three days, 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:31.960 and I didn't know why. So I called back home 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:34.359 my buddies in my old band in high school and 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:38.600 growing Where are you from? Southern New Jersey, PHILADELPHIAA okay? 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:43.080 And and they agreed they were gutted the same way 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:45.320 I was. There was just something about Bowie that was 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:46.680 different from everybody else. 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:50.000 I think. Also, we didn't really know he was really sick, right, 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:52.639 I didn't really know. I didn't get the time to 0:18:52.760 --> 0:18:58.760 mourn the lung goodbye. And yeah, and he was so young, 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:02.399 you know. Also, I mean, like Stevie Rayvaughan, that was terrible. 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:05.240 I remember crying in the kitchen when that happened. That 0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:07.240 was just horrible. 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:10.280 There's there's a great video of him on Jules Holland 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:10.879 from and. 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:12.560 He played with David Bowie. 0:19:12.880 --> 0:19:13.160 Yeah. 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:14.680 I got to see him play with David. 0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:16.560 Bowie, Stevie Rayvaughan and David Bowie. 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:20.240 Yeah, from the Let's Dance Tour, the Left Dance Record. 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:23.920 Yeah, and I got to say that duet with Freddie 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:27.000 Mercury is probably the best duet in the history. 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:30.760 I don't love it. I'm I don't love it, and 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:33.720 I love Queen. Oh my god. I was at I 0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:37.200 was at Live AID in nineteen eighty four in London. 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:40.359 I saw it. I saw saw it. I was in 0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:45.000 the audience. Oh, I saw all of that. I was there. 0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:49.239 I was there, and I was studying theater. And then 0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:51.160 I dragged a couple of friends. I'm like, We've got 0:19:51.200 --> 0:19:51.920 to go see this thing. 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:53.640 You witnessed that duet. 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:56.760 I was there. I was like halfway back in the. 0:19:56.760 --> 0:19:58.640 In the just blow your hair back. 0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:01.280 Yeah, I couldn't believe it. Yeah, but I mean I 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:04.760 still I don't. It's not my favorite song. I mean 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:08.520 I've gotten to love it, but yeah, I don't know. 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:09.600 That song kills me. 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:14.520 Freddie Mercury. I never got to see them live other 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:15.160 than Live Aid. 0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:18.560 I saw Queen at the Tower Theater. I think at 0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:22.040 the Tower Theater in Philadelphia when I was a kid, Wow, 0:20:22.520 --> 0:20:26.359 Tower Theater. Everybody the Tower Theater was a small, like 0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:29.920 you know, thousand thousand theater fifteen hundred, yeah, maybe more, 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:34.240 but everybody played the Tower Theater. They came through Philadelphia. 0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:36.760 If they didn't play the Spectrum, they played the Tower Theater. 0:20:36.960 --> 0:20:40.520 It's so much better seeing someone in a theater than 0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:44.400 in an arena. It's just so much better. There's an excitement. 0:20:44.440 --> 0:20:46.720 And if you have really good tickets, like you're up 0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:51.360 in the first five rows, basically it's okay. But you 0:20:51.400 --> 0:20:53.840 get so far back in those places and it's just 0:20:53.840 --> 0:20:58.800 the people are these tiny little dolls. You can't it's 0:20:58.840 --> 0:21:02.239