1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 1: I Am all In again, Luke's Diner with Scott Patterson 2 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: an iHeartRadio podcast. 3 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 2: Hey Everybody, Scott Patterson, I Am all in Podcast, one 4 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 2: of them productions. iHeartRadio Media. I heart podcast. Luke's Diner 5 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 2: with the one and Only. Yes, we have our Lisa Lobe. Lisa, 6 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 2: how are you welcome to the show. 7 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. 8 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 2: It is a pleasure. We're excited to get into it 9 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 2: with you. Let me tell everybody a little bit about 10 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 2: you if they don't already know. You're a Dallas native, 11 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 2: you are a Grammy Award winning singer songwriter, and your 12 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 2: first number one hit with your platinum singer goal Stay 13 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 2: I missed You from Reality Bites making history. Is the 14 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 2: first pop artist to top the charts without a recording contract. 15 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 2: I did not know that. What an accomplishment. Back in 16 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 2: two thousand and four, Lisa co hosted Food Network show 17 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 2: called duezl and Lisa with fellow rock musician diezl Zappa. 18 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 2: She recently teamed up with Any nominated Voice actress Debbie 19 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 2: dry Berry on the single The compost Been as an 20 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 2: eco friendly anthem promoting composting. She's a lover of music, obviously, 21 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,279 Speaker 2: food and our beautiful planet Earth. 22 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,199 Speaker 3: Welcome, Lisa, thank you so much. 23 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 2: Let's get into this with your Food Network show. That 24 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 2: was your idea, right, the show was our idea. 25 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 3: It was really strange. At the time I was dating 26 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 3: deuesel Zappa, it was a million years ago, and he 27 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 3: and I were both obsessed with the Food Network. I 28 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 3: think it was like sort of early not early days, 29 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 3: like middle early days of Food Network. Literally just watching 30 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 3: Food Network all the time. It was probably the TVO years, 31 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 3: you know, it was before it was after VHS, but 32 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 3: before the crazy streaming binge watching we're doing today. But 33 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 3: there were so many shows we both loved cooking, interested 34 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 3: in cooking, and I put out a record called Cake 35 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 3: and Pie with the word and underlined, and which was 36 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 3: really philosophical. It was like, if somebody offers you cake 37 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 3: and pie, I mean it's also real. If somebody offers 38 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 3: me cake and pie, I always just usually want both. 39 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 3: I want all of it, and that's like life. I 40 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 3: want all of it. If I can, you know, you 41 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 3: might as well say sure, I'll have cake and pie. 42 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 3: So it was philosophical, but it also really connected us 43 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 3: with a chef that we were friendly with named Mark Tarbell, 44 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 3: who's a well known chef in the Arizona area. He's 45 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 3: also been on Food Network a lot and has won 46 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 3: many Emmys for his shows in Phoenix. But we talked 47 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 3: to Mark and we were like, oh, we should do 48 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 3: a promotion where we may we play music and then 49 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 3: we also make make cake or pie on stage and 50 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 3: everybody gets to try it. And Mark was going to 51 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 3: be our pie of an roadie and uh. We presented 52 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 3: it to Innerscope Records, which was the record company at 53 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 3: the time, and they didn't want to support it. They 54 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:22,239 Speaker 3: didn't they didn't want to pay for that, uh, interesting 55 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,399 Speaker 3: marketing thing. We went ahead and did it a couple 56 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 3: of times and it was actually very successful and it 57 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 3: was really really fun, and so we decided, you know what, 58 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 3: let's see maybe the Food Network could fit us in somewhere. 59 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 3: We could be a guest on a show, because there's 60 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 3: the whole food theme and the baking theme and it's 61 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 3: one of our big interests. And so we had a 62 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 3: meeting with the Food Network with a producer we knew 63 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 3: from Broadway Video, and instead of fitting us into another show, 64 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 3: they said, why don't you guys have your own show? 65 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 3: So we got our own show, and it was at 66 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 3: the beginning of like Info infotainment, you know, we were 67 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 3: going to be to us. It was a way for 68 00:03:57,800 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 3: us to get into the kitchens with all of these 69 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 3: profession amazing sometimes world famous chefs go to different cities. 70 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 3: Food Network wanted it to be reality based as well. 71 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 3: So you see us on tour, playing concerts, doing golf tournaments, 72 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 3: you know, and we learned how to bake my mom's 73 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 3: special cookies or his mom's special dish. We met with 74 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 3: famous chefs and sometimes other celebrities like Bill Murray would 75 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 3: come with us down in the basement of this amazing 76 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 3: restaurant called Sugar that used to exist in Chicago, and 77 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 3: we'd work, we'd cook together, and it was just this great. 78 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 3: It was a lot of eating, but it was It 79 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 3: was a great experience and a good experience learning about 80 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 3: TV and production and how that works as well. 81 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 2: Wow, So this is the traveling series change the way 82 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 2: you cook or eat it home? 83 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean everything, because we learned so much from everybody, 84 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 3: from fred Eric, who's a great chef out here in 85 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 3: la There's just such a camaraderie between musicians, like the 86 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 3: creativity of making something and chefs, and like chefs like 87 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 3: my friend Mark Charbell. You go to his restaurant, you 88 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 3: always want to get the chocolate dessert, you always want 89 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 3: to get the meatballs. It's kind of like when I 90 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 3: play concerts. There's certain songs I always have to play, 91 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 3: and they always have to be fresh, and they have 92 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 3: to be feel like now and engaged, and then you've 93 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 3: got some specials that you have, and so it just 94 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 3: it Definitely I still have like a lot of the 95 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 3: tools that I bought during the making of the show, 96 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 3: lots and lots of special things I use in the kitchen. 97 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 3: And it just made me realize that there's nothing too 98 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 3: simple or too complicated in the kitchen and standing next 99 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 3: to someone. Although YouTube videos are helpful, but standing next 100 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 3: to somebody in the kitchen can really teach you a lot. 101 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,239 Speaker 2: Right, do you cook with your children? 102 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 3: I do a little bit. I cook a lot for them. 103 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 3: I do cook with them, especially my son likes to 104 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 3: get in the kitchen these days, and sometimes he'll cook 105 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 3: for us. Really yeah, well, I don't eat steak, but 106 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 3: he loves making steak, hands on steak. He had a 107 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 3: friend over and for fun they made nyoki and steak 108 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 3: from scratch. I mean, they didn't make the steak from scratch, but. 109 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 2: You know what I mean, you personally and as a family, 110 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 2: what kind of cakes and pies do you dream about eating? 111 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 3: Ugh, I made the best cake for my birthday. One 112 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 3: of my traditions is I like to make my own 113 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 3: birthday cake or order it an ice cream cake from 114 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 3: Baskin Robins, a chocolate chip ice cream cake, because that's 115 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,359 Speaker 3: what I had when I was like five or four. 116 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 3: I still have the little ballerinas that went on top 117 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 3: of that cake. I love that cake. Oh, they're so good, 118 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 3: so good. The frosting what is it even made out of? 119 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 3: Like the ice cream? The cones that are clowns? Yeah, 120 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,359 Speaker 3: the red frosting. It tastes so good. I don't know 121 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 3: what that is. 122 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 2: We just polished one off. We're going to get an 123 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 2: I told my wife, I said, reload, reload on this. 124 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 2: This is fit. It's like desserts for a week. 125 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 3: Yeah. And it's dangerous too, because you can literally I 126 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 3: realized after rushing around them for other kids' birthdays and 127 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 3: things like that, and trying to order in advance and 128 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 3: getting the perfect cake. You can literally walk in and 129 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 3: they have a whole freezer full of beautiful cakes. We 130 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 3: even got a strawberry one recently a strawberry ice cream cake. 131 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 3: But anyway, for my birthday, I like making cakes also, 132 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 3: and I had just been to oh coincidentally outside of Chicago. 133 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 3: I was right near Northwestern and my friend Aaron and 134 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 3: Scott and I ordered in from this Italian restaurant pizza. 135 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 3: But we got a dessert that was like a polenta cake, 136 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 3: like a polenta pound cake, and so I sort of 137 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 3: replicated that cake. I found a recipe like it, and 138 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 3: I messed around with a little bit. But it was 139 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 3: like a polenta pound cake with whipped cream that's mixed 140 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 3: with mascropones. So it's like this kind of heavier, not 141 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 3: super sweet whipped cream with like a tiny bit of 142 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 3: powdered sugar inside of it, and then also stewed peaches, 143 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 3: so you get this like, oh, it was so good. 144 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 3: It's so dense and buttery and heavy because of the polina, 145 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 3: and it's got a sweetness from the polenta, but it's 146 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 3: not super super sweet. Oh that was so good. 147 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 2: Okay, I want to go back. And this isn't necessarily 148 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 2: a food question. It's a question you've heard a million 149 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 2: times before, but I don't know the answer to this, 150 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 2: and it's food for my soul because I'm a songwriter 151 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 2: as well. And take us back to before you wrote Stay, 152 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 2: how did that come about? And tell us about recording 153 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 2: it and then releasing it and the sensation of having 154 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 2: this hit. 155 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 4: What was that like? 156 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 2: How old were you and what was that like? 157 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 3: I think I was about twenty two or twenty three. 158 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 3: I was like a couple of years out of college, 159 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 3: a year and a half out of college. I had 160 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 3: been writing music since I was a little kid, and 161 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 3: writing music with lyrics since I was in about eighth GID. 162 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 3: It's funny. I was just going through some old stuff. 163 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 3: I found the lyrics my friends. I got my two 164 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 3: best friends and I to write this song for our 165 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 3: graduating class that we all sung together on stage when 166 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 3: we graduated from high school. But it's always been something 167 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 3: I do, is write music. And I was in a 168 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 3: band all through college and we made a lot of 169 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 3: music in a couple records. But I'd always liked writing songs. 170 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 3: I was a fan of David Bowie and The Cure 171 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 3: and the Police, a lot of classic rock. I was 172 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 3: not a big singer songwritery person per se, even though 173 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 3: that's what I do, I used, you know, I got 174 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 3: an electric guitar I think is my first guitar, and 175 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 3: then I got a Yamaha acoustic, or maybe one right 176 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 3: after the other. But I was really into like The Who, 177 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 3: and I don't know, I didn't see myself as like 178 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:51,719 Speaker 3: a girl with an acoustic guitar. But then little by 179 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 3: little after lugging around a huge vox I mean a 180 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 3: jazz chorus amp, because that's what Andy Summers used, that 181 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 3: huge j ass chorus amp. And my really heavy strat case, 182 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 3: you know, not the soft case, but the hard case. 183 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 3: They're very, very heavy. I'm at the teat five to 184 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 3: two person and just slinging an acoustic guitar and a 185 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 3: soft shell bag on your back or one of those 186 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 3: really cheap kind of almost cardboardy cases. That became more 187 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 3: of my thing. It was quieter when I would shyly 188 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 3: write songs in my room, even though I still love 189 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 3: electric guitars and playing them. But I sort of became 190 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 3: a singer songwriter with an acoustic guitar. Although when you 191 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 3: listen back the Cure and led Zeppelin and The Who 192 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 3: and everybody else have a lot of big acoustic guitar. 193 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 2: Rock songs that hole Who's Next Is it pretty much 194 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 2: an acoustic album. 195 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 3: That's beautiful, a lot of and rock with acoustic. But yeah, 196 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 3: I love music so much. But anyway, so I sort 197 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 3: of avoided writing personal songs. My point is I avoided 198 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 3: writing songs that felt super super personal. I thought I 199 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:01,319 Speaker 3: was being oblique, somebody else said to me the other day. 200 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 3: I thought I was. When I look back at some 201 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 3: of my early songs, they're pretty obvious. But I didn't 202 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 3: know that. I thought I was being kind of poetic 203 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 3: and abstract. But for the first time, I kind of 204 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,079 Speaker 3: let myself write a song about something that was going 205 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 3: on in my life that was kind of straightforward about 206 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 3: a relationship, about the relationship I had. It was actually 207 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 3: with my producer boyfriend. He was my producer and my 208 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 3: boyfriend for many years now. I still am good friends 209 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 3: with him, and he does most of the photography you 210 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 3: see if me, the professional photography you see he does. 211 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 3: But anyway, that's on a side. I wrote something that 212 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 3: just like we were having an argument and I'm like ah, 213 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 3: and it was like writing about that, and that's where 214 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 3: it started. Lyrically, at the same time, I had just 215 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 3: signed with BMI a couple of years earlier, the organization 216 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 3: that helps to collect your royalties and when your songs 217 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 3: were played on the radio. And they're a great resource 218 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 3: for up and coming musicians as well, because it's just 219 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:58,559 Speaker 3: it's a place that's not a record company or a 220 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 3: publishing company. That's great community of professional music people. But anyway, 221 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 3: so I heard through one of the people I worked 222 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 3: with there that Daryl Hall was looking for solo songs 223 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 3: for a Daryl Hall record, and I'm a huge fan 224 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 3: of Hall of Notes as well, and I was trying 225 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:14,559 Speaker 3: to write a song that was like one of those 226 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 3: R and B kind of Sarah smiles, Sarah smile kind 227 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 3: of songs. So that's where the music groove came from. 228 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 3: I very soon thereafter found out that opportunity was not 229 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 3: happening at all. So I started putting my lyrics to 230 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 3: those chords, and the song lyrics go off in some 231 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:34,839 Speaker 3: different directions, but that's where it started. I finished writing 232 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 3: it when I was at Berkeley Summer School in Boston. 233 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:40,319 Speaker 3: I went to summer school there weirdly as a grown up, 234 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 3: you know, I thought I was so grown up. I 235 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 3: was in my early twenties, but mostly it's teenage kids 236 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 3: and honestly mostly teenage boys at the time. And I 237 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 3: finished the song there and I and then there were 238 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 3: some record companies interested in New York City that were 239 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 3: getting interested in signing me. I was doing all the 240 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 3: different music festivals and south By Southwest and things like that, 241 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 3: and so one of the record companies had given me 242 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 3: a demo deal, where they give you some money to 243 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 3: make a recording. So I was recording a few songs 244 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 3: with a producer named Kevin Salem, and we did a 245 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 3: version of Stay that was kind of more rock because 246 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 3: I just wanted to. I'm like, why is all my 247 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 3: music so acoustic? You know, can't I make it more rock? 248 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 3: And I had a band and everything. But then Juan Fatino, 249 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 3: who is the producer I was talking about, we had 250 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 3: made it. We had made a recording of a bunch 251 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:29,839 Speaker 3: of songs already. He's like, let me take a let 252 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 3: me take a stab at this with you. So we 253 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 3: took the band to his apartment in New York City 254 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 3: on fifty second Street, his one his two bedroom apartment 255 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 3: where he had set up a little studio which was 256 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 3: sort of unusual at the time, and we recorded, you know, 257 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 3: with the drums in one room and the bass in 258 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 3: the other room and this New York City apartment and 259 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 3: recorded to a DATS, which are basically like VHS tapes 260 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 3: or Beta tapes actually, and then I recorded my vocal 261 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 3: in the closet with those kind of barn do that 262 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,199 Speaker 3: kind of wiggle on their hinges that hang down from 263 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 3: the ceiling. And we did get a really nice mic, 264 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:10,439 Speaker 3: a C twelve that we rented. But we had been 265 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 3: doing a lot of recordings and so this was We 266 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 3: did a handful of songs, including Stay, and so that's 267 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 3: how the song was recorded and mostly recorded and written. 268 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 3: And then the opportunity came up for Reality bites Ethan Hawk, 269 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 3: who was a friend of mine. I had met him 270 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 3: through another friend from college, some actor friends. I was 271 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 3: doing a lot of acting in theater in college as well, 272 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 3: and one of our common friends introduced me to Ethan Hawk, 273 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 3: and he was one of my neighbors, and we just 274 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 3: there was just a huge group of us that hung 275 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 3: out all the time. We were involved in Ethan's theater company. 276 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 3: I wrote music for his plays. We all went to 277 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 3: go see each other play music and do theater and 278 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 3: film openings and whatever, you know, playwrights and so there 279 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 3: were a lot of different things that happened. But along 280 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 3: the way, Ethan asked me for a copy of my 281 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 3: song's Stay to pass along to Stacy Cher and Ben 282 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 3: Stiller and Karen Rackman and the people involved in the 283 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 3: movie Reality Bites, and they decided to put my song 284 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 3: into the movie in the final credits. And then RCA 285 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 3: Records was making a film what's it called again? Soundtrack? 286 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 3: A soundtrack and Ron Fair, who was very successful in soundtracks, 287 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 3: he asked, if you know, we could put the song 288 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 3: Stay on there. So that's why I'm an independent artist 289 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 3: at the time, because we licensed the song to them, 290 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 3: we did not sign with them, so I was a 291 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 3: person without a label in a good way. 292 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 2: And then. 293 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 3: The movie came out and this a radio station down 294 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 3: in Houston called KRBE wanted to put the song out 295 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 3: as a single, and so we did that and it 296 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 3: started going up the charts. And then RCA really jumped 297 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 3: on the bandwagon and are really great radio reps headed 298 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 3: off by our friend Skip Bishop, who good friends with 299 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 3: the head of the radio department. They pushed it and 300 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 3: they did the thing, and the song kept moving up 301 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 3: the charts, and it went to number one. Wow without 302 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 3: a label. 303 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 2: Wow. 304 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 3: And actually right now it's the anniversary of it going 305 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 3: to number one three weeks in August thirty one years ago. 306 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 2: Oh, that's fantastic. 307 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 3: It's incredible. That's incredible. It was so exciting. And luckily, 308 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 3: I have so many friends and family, really good friends 309 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 3: that I've had since I was once, since I was born. 310 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 3: Literally our moms were pregnant together. But I have a 311 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 3: really solid set of friends from all eras of my 312 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 3: life that I keep up with, and so to be 313 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 3: able to have that, and also Juan, who I was 314 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 3: working with, is a very nostalgic person who also loves 315 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 3: the history of music and the excitement of having a 316 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 3: number one song, So we got to it was good 317 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 3: to have all those friends and family around to really 318 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 3: remember that it was actually happening. Because I'm a person 319 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 3: who's like, Okay, now what's next. Okay, now we're going 320 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 3: on tour. Okay, now I'm going to get the record label. 321 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 3: It's hard to sit and be in the moment. Those 322 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 3: people really helped out with them. 323 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 2: That's fantastic. You know, I too, am a huge fan 324 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 2: of Bowie. 325 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 3: Which is your favorite? What are your favorite records? 326 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 2: You know, Ziggy start Us for me, I mean they're 327 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 2: all great, but the early stuff, yeah. 328 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 3: Hunky Dory and Ziggy Stardust. 329 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, just fantastic stuff. But the songwriting for such a 330 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 2: young guy, you know, and these beautiful songs that he 331 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 2: wrote were just remarkable. And this I even listened. I 332 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 2: even listened to the stuff when he was sixteen seventeen 333 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 2: that he was releasing, all these. 334 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 3: Very childlike Jones things. 335 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're very yeah, wow. 336 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 3: Like when I'm five, right, right, I'm five. It's so cool. 337 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:47,199 Speaker 3: But I love the it just takes me to a 338 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 3: place that's so mysterious and it's other world. It's otherworldly, 339 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 3: and I don't always know what he's talking about. I 340 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 3: got to meet him once and I read you really 341 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 3: yes in the studio and I really really wanted to 342 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 3: ask him about the Beuley Brothers, and I didn't because 343 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 3: you know, our time was short and it was just 344 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 3: small talk. Hi, how are you doing this to meet you? 345 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 3: It was before cell phones really, so there's no little 346 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 3: photo or anything. But I can't believe I got to 347 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 3: meet him. I wish, yeah, you know, he's so talented. 348 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:23,199 Speaker 2: I know, I can't remember an artist or someone in 349 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 2: the entertainment isn't passing away and having it affect me 350 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 2: so deeply. I mean, it gutted me for three days, 351 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 2: and I didn't know why. So I called back home 352 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 2: my buddies in my old band in high school and 353 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 2: growing Where are you from? Southern New Jersey, PHILADELPHIAA okay? 354 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 2: And and they agreed they were gutted the same way 355 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 2: I was. There was just something about Bowie that was 356 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 2: different from everybody else. 357 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 3: I think. Also, we didn't really know he was really sick, right, 358 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 3: I didn't really know. I didn't get the time to 359 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 3: mourn the lung goodbye. And yeah, and he was so young, 360 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 3: you know. Also, I mean, like Stevie Rayvaughan, that was terrible. 361 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 3: I remember crying in the kitchen when that happened. That 362 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 3: was just horrible. 363 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 2: There's there's a great video of him on Jules Holland 364 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 2: from and. 365 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 3: He played with David Bowie. 366 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. 367 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 3: I got to see him play with David. 368 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 2: Bowie, Stevie Rayvaughan and David Bowie. 369 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, from the Let's Dance Tour, the Left Dance Record. 370 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I got to say that duet with Freddie 371 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 2: Mercury is probably the best duet in the history. 372 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 3: I don't love it. I'm I don't love it, and 373 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 3: I love Queen. Oh my god. I was at I 374 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 3: was at Live AID in nineteen eighty four in London. 375 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 3: I saw it. I saw saw it. I was in 376 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 3: the audience. Oh, I saw all of that. I was there. 377 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:49,239 Speaker 3: I was there, and I was studying theater. And then 378 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 3: I dragged a couple of friends. I'm like, We've got 379 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 3: to go see this thing. 380 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 2: You witnessed that duet. 381 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 3: I was there. I was like halfway back in the. 382 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:58,640 Speaker 2: In the just blow your hair back. 383 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I couldn't believe it. Yeah, but I mean I 384 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 3: still I don't. It's not my favorite song. I mean 385 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 3: I've gotten to love it, but yeah, I don't know. 386 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 2: That song kills me. 387 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 3: Freddie Mercury. I never got to see them live other 388 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 3: than Live Aid. 389 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 2: I saw Queen at the Tower Theater. I think at 390 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 2: the Tower Theater in Philadelphia when I was a kid, Wow, 391 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 2: Tower Theater. Everybody the Tower Theater was a small, like 392 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 2: you know, thousand thousand theater fifteen hundred, yeah, maybe more, 393 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 2: but everybody played the Tower Theater. They came through Philadelphia. 394 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 2: If they didn't play the Spectrum, they played the Tower Theater. 395 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 3: It's so much better seeing someone in a theater than 396 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 3: in an arena. It's just so much better. There's an excitement. 397 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 3: And if you have really good tickets, like you're up 398 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 3: in the first five rows, basically it's okay. But you 399 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 3: get so far back in those places and it's just 400 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 3: the people are these tiny little dolls. You can't it's 401 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:02,239 Speaker 3: like you're not there. It's it's, it's it's and the 402 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 3: sound it doesn't. You know, it's really hard to make 403 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 3: those concerts in those arenas. They're not set out for music. 404 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 3: Some people play well like a Foo Fighter's plays well 405 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 3: in an arena, but still like to see them in 406 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 3: a smaller space is really exciting. 407 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 2: All right, back to cakes. Okay, let's shift gears. So 408 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 2: you also love coffee. What's your perfect coffee order? And 409 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 2: do you eat cake with the coffee? 410 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,880 Speaker 3: Sometimes? Yeah, although I will say sometimes after I've eaten 411 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 3: the cake with the coffee, I'm like, that was too 412 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 3: sweet because I put sugar in the coffee. You know, 413 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 3: it's too sweet. It's too sweet. Like you want to 414 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 3: get one of those, like really grainy scones, which I'm 415 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 3: not a big scone fan. I like them at the 416 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:55,479 Speaker 3: British like Tea House plays down in the West Village. 417 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 3: They make a really good scone, but sometimes they're too 418 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 3: they like coat the roof of your mouth in this 419 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 3: gross way. But there's a scone that they used to 420 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 3: sell it Pete's Coffee that I think came from. I 421 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 3: don't know where it came from because I got one recently. 422 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 3: Where was I where they sold them? But they it 423 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 3: has like dried cherries and flax seeds and it's like 424 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,479 Speaker 3: whole wheat, so it's like sweet but not too sweet. 425 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 3: But anyway, my favorite coffee order is when I go 426 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 3: to Starbucks. It's a flat white with two percent milk, 427 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 3: a short like the tiny size or if the coffee 428 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 3: is really really good at Misto. Basically I want to 429 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 3: get six ounces of espresso or really strong coffee, and 430 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 3: I want to have a half a cup of steamed 431 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 3: but not frothy. That's why the flat white is good 432 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 3: because it mixes in with the coffee. It's not like 433 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 3: the cappuccino or it sits on top of the coffee. 434 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 3: It really bums me out. Even though it's really cute looking. 435 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 3: But I want them the hot milk to be mixed 436 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 3: with the coffee and then I want a tea spoon 437 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 3: of sugar. That's what I want. What do you want? 438 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 3: What do you want? 439 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 2: I like it. I like coffee with a bit of 440 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 2: honey and tea with some honey. And you're right. I 441 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 2: can't eat anything sweet with it because it's too much sweet. 442 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 3: It's like it's just like it kind of hurts your throat. 443 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 3: I do like maple every once in a while, I 444 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,919 Speaker 3: do my maple syrup. I don't love honey in my coffee. 445 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 3: I don't like honey a lot. I just realized I 446 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,919 Speaker 3: was eating something the other day, like a cake, and 447 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 3: it was sweetened with honey. Oh no, I know what. 448 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 3: It was one of those. It was one of those 449 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,679 Speaker 3: snack bars that's like like a real I don't like 450 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 3: protein bars. I don't eat any of that. But there's 451 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 3: one that's made with just like peanut, butter, honey, chocolate chips. 452 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 3: It's the and I was eating one of those, and 453 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 3: I was like, this is so good. It almost tastes 454 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 3: like tastes like cookie dough, except it has that honey 455 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 3: flavor like I don't. 456 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 2: I'm not a Fanny flavor. I'm a big honey guy love. 457 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 3: I know it's good for you. I put it in 458 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 3: warm water if I need to soothe my throat. 459 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, especially going to say the flavor, I have. 460 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 3: It a like Russia Shana. They're sweet New Year, but 461 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 3: I don't love the taste of honey. 462 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 2: Let's talk about compost ben your eco friendly anthem, just 463 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:04,679 Speaker 2: does that mindset show up and how you shop and 464 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 2: how you cook at home as well? 465 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's funny. I made this song with 466 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 3: Debbie dry Berry, who's a very well known voiceover artist, 467 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 3: especially and she started getting back into music. She started 468 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 3: in music, and she was making an album of all 469 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 3: like eco friendly songs, and so I said, we got 470 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 3: to do it, but we can't hit people over the 471 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 3: head with it. It has to sound like a real song. 472 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 3: I've made so many children's records myself, and it's a 473 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 3: real thing for all of us to always make songs 474 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,880 Speaker 3: that you know, sometimes have a lesson like I love 475 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 3: Free to be you and me, and had all these 476 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:40,959 Speaker 3: great lessons and values imbued and embedded in the songs. 477 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 3: But it was I don't know, it was just like 478 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 3: in a fun good way, not in that annoying like 479 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 3: teacher eway, but anyway, So yeah, I am kind of obsessed. 480 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 3: In fact, I want somebody to create an oprah I 481 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 3: call it an oprah app where you can actually because 482 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 3: I'll stand in front of grapes for like three minutes wondering, 483 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 3: like the real the grapes that are not organic there 484 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 3: actually taste better than the organic ones today? How far 485 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 3: did you have to drive to the grocery store to 486 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 3: get the organic thing? You know, making these decisions what's 487 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 3: better for the earth, And I wish there was a 488 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 3: way you could like plug all that into a computer. 489 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 3: And they're like, you know it, just get the regular 490 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 3: Colgate toothpaste at the drug store two blocks from your house. 491 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 3: It's better for the earth than you know, making your 492 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 3: own toothpaste that you had to drive thirty miles to 493 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 3: get the salt from the salt lag or whatever. I 494 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 3: don't know, I'm just making that up, but I really 495 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 3: it really affects me all the time. I get kind 496 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 3: of obsessed. But there's so much information out there and 497 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 3: so many variables, I can get a little stuck. But yeah, 498 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 3: we have our compost bin under our sink. It's like 499 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 3: an easy one where you just like put all the 500 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 3: things you're supposed to put in the compost bin and 501 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,120 Speaker 3: we could put them in the green garbage bin. 502 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 2: There you go. Yeahs all right, here's here's another. You 503 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 2: are a rock star, you simply are, and you have 504 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 2: been for over thirty years. If you could sit down 505 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 2: for dinner, okay with three rock musicians? Yeah, what kind 506 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 2: of food would you serve? And who would you want 507 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 2: at that dinner? 508 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 3: I hate this question, no offense. 509 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 2: That's why we ask it. 510 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,199 Speaker 3: I don't. I don't, that's so hard. I mean, we 511 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 3: just talked about David Bowie. That would be great. Oh gosh. 512 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 3: Like I love the police, but I don't know if 513 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 3: they need to be at the dinner. I love talking 514 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 3: to Stuart Copeland and he's really interesting. But and Andy 515 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 3: Summers too. 516 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 2: About Joni Mitchell? Would you want her there? 517 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 3: Uh no, wait a minute, Joan Bi Prince Prince really 518 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 3: would be really interesting. I'm curious what he has to say. 519 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 3: He may not talk a lot, though. That's the other 520 00:26:51,960 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 3: thing that people I like, Prince Freddie Mercury, oh, Brian May. 521 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 3: Some of these folks are very introverted. You know, like 522 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 3: the cure. If you're talking to Robert Smith, he's so introverted. 523 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. 524 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 3: Ricky Lee Jones is great. She wrote a great autobiography, 525 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,959 Speaker 3: Oh so good. A lot of voice, the Go Gos. 526 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 3: I'm singing with the Go Gos in a couple of nights. 527 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 3: Those guys are really fun to talk to. 528 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 2: Where are you going to be with them? 529 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,400 Speaker 3: A fundraiser for an organization called muzak. You can find 530 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 3: it online and they have guest singers singing with them 531 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 3: as well as Robin Hitchcock with Lowell toll Hurst playing drums. 532 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 3: It's going to be in Larchmont area, but I'm looking 533 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 3: to see if I can find some of the music 534 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 3: I listen to. This is the I don't I this 535 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 3: is too hard of a question. I can't even you 536 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 3: know what. 537 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 2: We don't want to stress you out. 538 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 3: It's stressing me out. And I'd probably at the meal 539 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 3: there'd be some kind of like I'd have to ask 540 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 3: to see what kind of protein people eat, you know, 541 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 3: like m because I could do like a fish thing 542 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 3: or a veggie thing. 543 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 2: What about like McDonald's McDonald's with Ozzy Osbourne, you know Ozzy. 544 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,439 Speaker 3: So it was so sweet Junia is really interesting, how 545 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 3: I like. I enjoyed speaking to a Steve Vai. He's 546 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 3: a really interesting, interesting guy, really kind, really smart. But 547 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 3: I'm mentioning people like that. I have spoken to it 548 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 3: great linked like, uh. 549 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 2: Have you met Neil Young? 550 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 3: I have met him a couple of times. I met 551 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 3: him a couple of times. He was he was nice. 552 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 3: We didn't talk a lot, but he was very nice. 553 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 2: What about Steven Stills? 554 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 3: He's also nice. Yeah, I'm friendly with his son, Chris Stills. 555 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 3: And I met Stephen Stills a number of times along 556 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 3: the way as well. 557 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 2: I was in Hawaii and he in Lahaina and he 558 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 2: walked into the bar restaurant in the afternoon with a 559 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 2: guitar and starts and played a set. 560 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 3: That's so cool. What restaurant were you at? 561 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 4: Oh? 562 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 2: I can't remember. 563 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 3: This is just like the Earl just there the other day. 564 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 3: WHI It was really great. 565 00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 2: He was fantastic. 566 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 3: Musicians are so interesting to hang out with and talk to. 567 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 3: They've they've been everywhere. They often have a really great 568 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 3: sense of humor. Not to like, not to like generalize, 569 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 3: but there's so many great people to talk to and 570 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 3: hang out with. I don't it's too hard of a question. 571 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 2: We're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna get by that question. 572 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 2: Thank you appreciate it. I'm gonna wait any longer. 573 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 3: I know. I can't. I can't. 574 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 2: All right, you walk into Luke Steiner. Okay, if there 575 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 2: was a Lukes diner and you're walking into it, Okay, 576 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 2: what would you order? Where would you sit? 577 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 3: Oh that I'm between a counter and a window? 578 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 2: Okay, good? 579 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 3: Yes, Like I love a booth, but these days my hips, 580 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 3: I don't know. It's not always comfortable sitting in a booth, 581 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 3: even though I love booths. I would say counter. I 582 00:29:54,720 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 3: love counters. I would order. I mean, I'm trying to 583 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 3: think what I would actually like to eat, Like things, 584 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 3: certain things look great on camera, but I don't actually 585 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 3: feel like eating them, like chocolate chip pancakes, but like 586 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 3: I don't actually love eating a bunch of pancakes at 587 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 3: one sitting, I really do. 588 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 2: Like. 589 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 3: The first thing that's coming to mind is just like 590 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 3: a cheese sandwich with like bread, iceberg, lettuce, mayonnaise, lettuce, 591 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 3: like not shredded iceberg pieces of lettuce. Do I have 592 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 3: an aversion just shredded lettuce on sandwiches, tomato, coca cola 593 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 3: potato chips nice, that would be good. Maybe some carrots. 594 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 3: I always have to have some vegetables on the side. 595 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 2: Lisa, thank you for your time. 596 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 3: We'll have to figure out the dinner. 597 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 2: Yes, and you know we'd love to have you back 598 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 2: on and good luck with all your future projects. Thank 599 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 2: you and latest updates for Lisa's project new music tour dates. 600 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 2: Visit www dot Lisa lobe dot com and follow us 601 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 2: on social media at Lisa Lobe. Lisa. 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