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Speaker 1: Welcome to my show Money Making Conversation master Class. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host with Sean McDonald. I recognized that we all

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Speaker 1: have different definitions of success. For you and may be

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Speaker 1: the size of your paycheck. Mine is inspiring people to

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Speaker 1: develop their plan to reach their dreams. It's time to

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Speaker 1: stop reading other people's success stories and start writing your own.

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Speaker 1: You can only exceed expectations by believing in yourself. People

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Speaker 1: always talk about their purpose or gifts. If you have

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Speaker 1: a gift, lead with your gifts and don't let your friends, family,

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Speaker 1: or co workers stop you from planning or living your dreams.

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Speaker 1: My guests is Tanya Lewis Lee in Indie Wire featured

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Speaker 1: Tania on their twenty twenty two Rising Female Filmmakers to Watch.

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Speaker 1: She's a producer, film director, writer, entrepreneur, and women's health advocate,

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Speaker 1: delivery meaningful content that resonates with marginalized communities for over

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Speaker 1: twenty years on the heels of our influential children's book.

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Speaker 1: The US Department of Health partner with Tanya as the

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Speaker 1: spokesperson for their A Healthy Baby Begins with You Infant

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Speaker 1: Mortality Award. In this campaign from two thousand seven to

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Speaker 1: Tanya is on the Show Today discussed her new doctumentary

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Speaker 1: following the deaths of two young women due to childbirth complications,

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Speaker 1: to breathe families, galvanized activists, birth workers, and physicians to

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Speaker 1: recom with one of the most pressing American crisis today,

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Speaker 1: the US maternal health crisis. Lee co directed co produced

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Speaker 1: After Shock, which after Shock Excuse me, which examines the

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Speaker 1: U S fraternity mortality crisis. It currently is Aaron on Hulu.

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Speaker 1: Please welcome to Money Making Conversation Masterclass. The wonderful Tanya

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Speaker 1: Lewis Lee. How you doing. I'm good, ra Sean, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for that wonderful introduction, and I'm happy

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Speaker 1: to be here in conversation with you about the film.

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Speaker 1: We know. I want the reason I hopefully I did

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Speaker 1: you justice in your intro, because to do a documentary

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Speaker 1: like this, there has to be some history, has to

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Speaker 1: be a person who just didn't have a good idea,

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Speaker 1: came across a good story and and and may this

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Speaker 1: amazing documentary and by at least giving this background, and

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Speaker 1: it'll let them know that a lot of emotion, a

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Speaker 1: lot of history, a lot of experience went into creating Aftershock.

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Speaker 1: Talk tell us about how you got involved with this project. Yeah. Then,

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Speaker 1: like I said, I really did appreciate your introduction because

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Speaker 1: learn first of all about in mortality. I didn't realize

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Speaker 1: realize that black babies, like black mothers, are dying at

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Speaker 1: make for better outcomes. Well, let's let's talk about that,

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Speaker 1: making the fan, producing it, getting the concept in place,

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Speaker 1: about relationships. How did you encounter the individuals that you

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Speaker 1: It's really interesting when I got an opportunity, when the

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Speaker 1: You know, we always talk about, you know, this critical

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