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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, it's me Matt Rogers, letting you know. Tickets

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Speaker 1: are on sale now to see me on tour, the

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Speaker 1: Prince of Christmas Tour, that is, I'm doing my whole

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Speaker 1: album have you Heard of Christmas? Plus a lot more

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Speaker 1: with the whole band all throughout December. Go to www

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Speaker 1: dot Matt Rodgersofficial dot com. See me in a city

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Speaker 1: near you and now Lost Culture drums.

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Speaker 2: Look, oh, I see you my own and look over

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Speaker 2: there is that the culture, Yes, lost Culture, Dan, Lost.

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Speaker 1: Culture calling and our green as it were.

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Speaker 3: You know, it is a very present color in all

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Speaker 3: of our lives. And yet for someone to I don't know,

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Speaker 3: like really not gonna say own it, but.

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Speaker 1: That's my color now vibes.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not talking about us, No, I'm alty.

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Speaker 1: Talking about someone else. So you'll hear about an assass you'll.

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Speaker 3: Hear from an asak. I I'm already sort of basking

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Speaker 3: in the glow of this person because I'm fresh off

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Speaker 3: here not how could you know? I mean, this is

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Speaker 3: the first time I'm seeing her in person in a

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Speaker 3: long time, and I'm fresh off of seeing the film

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Speaker 3: Wicked Part one again last.

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Speaker 4: Night, there was a screening talk.

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Speaker 1: About this because this was a really this was not

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Speaker 1: just any.

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Speaker 3: Screen No, no, this was so sublime. It was Broadway

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Speaker 3: friends and families. So it was so many of the

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Speaker 3: original cast of Wicked, but also all the casts since

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Speaker 3: over the twenty one years that the twenty one years

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Speaker 3: the show has been on around the world. Kristin was there,

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Speaker 3: Norbert was there. Wow, so many wonderful, wonderful people. I'm

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Speaker 3: missing so many people. Carrie Saint Louis was there. I

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Speaker 3: saw that one of our famed Glinda's and it was

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Speaker 3: just the warmest crowd. I couldn't believe it. You know

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Speaker 3: what was also crazy children of the original cast.

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Speaker 1: Oh so now it's truly generational. And see that's the

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Speaker 1: great thing about this, and I think that it's like

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Speaker 1: hitting everyone right now. I was like, this is meaningful

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Speaker 1: on me because I've also seen the film. It was

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a different situation. It was a

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Speaker 1: very small screening room and I was just telling our

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Speaker 1: guests when I saw it, I was like, are people

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Speaker 1: going to turn up the way I'm going to turn.

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Speaker 3: Up because it was a smaller theater, Yes, smaller screen,

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Speaker 1: Can say that they did. But it's so when you're

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Speaker 1: watching the movie. What's so incredible about it? And I

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Speaker 1: don't know why I had to realize this, but I

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Speaker 1: was like, oh, we're also honoring the Wizard of Oz.

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Speaker 1: This is generations of cinema. This is the Wizard of Oz.

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Speaker 1: Is the story and so wicked is the story and

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Speaker 1: it's just to watch it land on people like that must.

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Speaker 3: Have been really really really monumental, so monumental. Oh my god,

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Speaker 3: I can't believe you're here. I love you so much.

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Speaker 1: I mean just to speak on you know. Oh the way,

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Speaker 1: what a huge year for Green, big Green. You did

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Speaker 1: that this year. You really you really got your right

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Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, can remind us what well Brack Green?

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Speaker 1: Oh Brad Green? Of course, well there was famously Bratt

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Speaker 1: Green and now there's Alpha ba Green.

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Speaker 3: Green was very present at the various tennis opens of

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Speaker 3: the world one hundred you know.

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Speaker 1: Golf because of the color of the grass, of the

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Speaker 1: grass Green forever. It's actually real culture number six. Green

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Speaker 1: is forever our guest today. Is one of the most

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Speaker 1: brilliant artists of any generation and Emmy, Grammy and Tony winner,

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Speaker 1: an Oscar nominated actress and songwriter, just a truly brilliant

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Speaker 1: star who we're here to announce is Alpha. But you

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Speaker 1: heard it here first, ringing Alpha butt in Wicked. I mean,

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Speaker 1: when you see this, you are going to be truly lifted.

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Speaker 1: I mean, and I don't even say that as a

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Speaker 1: pun because of the famous lifting that happens, not a spoiler.

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Speaker 3: It's also the patron saint of the Kennedy Center.

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Speaker 1: At this point, I have If you don't think I'm

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Speaker 1: going to bring up Alfie, oh you didn't think.

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Speaker 3: If you didn't think, you don't talk to me. Don't

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Speaker 3: talk to me until I've had my since. Okay, everyone,

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Speaker 3: and welcome into your ears significent the area.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: How are you feeling since last night?

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Speaker 5: I'm feeling very, very like floaty. Last night was crazy

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Speaker 5: and amazing. Many many things are happening around town. I

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Speaker 5: I had like an outer body experience. So I was

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Speaker 5: in the middle and she welcomes me. We have this

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Speaker 5: so that was like already sort of like a metaphysical thing.

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Speaker 4: That was going on.

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Speaker 5: So I felt like, Oh, I'm part of this incredible sisterhood,

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Speaker 5: which you know you are, but when you see it

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Speaker 4: Yeah. And then we move.

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Speaker 5: Upstairs and then we speak and we start talking about

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Speaker 5: what it means to us. And as I'm waiting for

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Speaker 5: us to go up, I realized that I'm standing in

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Speaker 5: front of a Broadway family, one of which I've belonged

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Speaker 5: to because of my history and the things I've been

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Speaker 5: through and color purple and all of that. And I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 5: two things are happening at once, So I'm getting to

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Speaker 5: show this film that is from Broadway to a Broadway

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Speaker 5: family from which I belong. I just had like a

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Speaker 5: massive not even a meltdown, but like a real realization

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Speaker 5: of the journey that I've been on and what it

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Speaker 5: might mean to them and what it might mean to me.

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Speaker 4: And it just was it became.

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Speaker 5: So it was already a big moment, but that became

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Speaker 4: You were enveloped in it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I had to be like, I've got to breathe.

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Speaker 5: I can't even. I feel like I'm so out of body.

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Speaker 5: It was so insane. And then because I had to

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Speaker 5: I hung out at the back and watched just like

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Speaker 5: the first twenty minutes of the film with everyone and

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Speaker 5: just to see, like hear it that the laughs and

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Speaker 4: You know, you're like, oh, it's playing.

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Speaker 5: My makeup artist was saying, there's this piece in Madonna's

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Speaker 5: Truth or Dare and when she they're standing in a

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Speaker 5: in her hometown and she's shaking, she goes, it shouldn't matter,

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Speaker 5: but it does matter what they think, of course, and

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Speaker 5: what this legacy, what this room thinks of this piece.

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Speaker 5: And to be in the room whilst they were accepting

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Speaker 1: How are you managing over all your emotions around this moment?

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Speaker 1: Because I'm not, That's what I mean. Could you do

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Speaker 1: you like actually let things out like or do your

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Speaker 1: emotions like surprise you in moments?

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Speaker 4: They surprise me.

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Speaker 5: Sometimes I feel like I'm really like I'm in control

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Speaker 5: and I go, oh my god.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: We were talking about this before with like John and

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Speaker 3: with Ari. It's like it's because we kind of put

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Speaker 3: and there are these things are popping out of not nowhere,

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Speaker 3: but like intermittently. Because it was something that you sat

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Speaker 3: with for years, yes, yes, And was that your first

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Speaker 3: time watching in a bigger room last night.

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Speaker 5: With an audience on a bigger screen with many people. Yes,

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Speaker 5: that is a very different experience to sent the correct

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Speaker 5: very different even to because we I watched that movie

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and we just sat and watched and that was it.

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Speaker 5: And I'd been craving to watch it in a theater

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Speaker 5: to sit like to watch people react just off the

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Speaker 5: cuff insane. It's completely different energy. It's the wildest, most

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Speaker 5: wait to do it again. Yes, I can't wait to

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Speaker 5: do it again and again. Do it as much as

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Speaker 3: Is like to you as someone who's obviously been in

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Speaker 3: films before with theatrical releases, but like, I don't know, different,

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Speaker 3: it's just different. And also, of course, of course it's different.

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Speaker 3: But also the thing that I missed about, you know,

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Speaker 3: Matt and I were in a movie once that didn't

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Speaker 3: I'll miss this so much, just sharing the space with

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Speaker 1: To give it the cinematic opportunity that it deserves. Because

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Speaker 1: we were talking to Ariana last week the pod. And

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Speaker 1: one thing that struck me was when you're shooting it,

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Speaker 1: it is you're at work and you're shooting it. So

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Speaker 1: I'm talking to my friend, I'm on my phone when

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Speaker 5: Yes, and it's all together and everything like all of

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Speaker 5: those miniature things that make it happen, all the stuff

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Speaker 5: that like, oh, semantics go away. Yeah, and now it's

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Speaker 5: like the thread is there. Yeah, and then you're ling together. Wow,

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Speaker 4: It's insane. The thing is huge.

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Speaker 5: And like I keep going back, even I was in it,

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Speaker 5: that the person did that. I didn't know that I

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Speaker 5: was Why did I roll my eyes at that point

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Speaker 5: when you catch that?

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Speaker 4: When did I do that?

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Speaker 3: I don't remember.

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Speaker 5: So you're catching up on all the things that you

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Speaker 5: now all of a sudden you're like, oh my god,

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Speaker 4: Where I was.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's alphabet and right. That is another thing

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Speaker 1: is it's just like you've contributed such a beautiful, strong, funny,

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Speaker 1: powerful alpha bat And I wanted to ask specifically about

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Speaker 1: so so much said about defying gravity and in that

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Speaker 1: the last note, right, the gut that you put in

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Speaker 4: You know, Lovely.

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Speaker 5: I don't think I found out on the call, but

439
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Speaker 5: I think I found out soon after maybe, like a

440
00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,480
Speaker 5: day after and they let me know what was going on,

441
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:38,160
Speaker 5: and I was like, oh, that makes sense.

442
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, so is it that, like, you know you're up

443
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 1: for it, and do you hear who's up for the

444
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:44,199
Speaker 1: other thing?

445
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,360
Speaker 5: Don't tell me a damn, don't tell me. Don't tell

446
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,200
Speaker 5: me anything. I don't want to know. I don't want

447
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:50,440
Speaker 5: to know who was going up for it. I didn't

448
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,080
Speaker 5: want to even know until they needed me to come in.

449
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,639
Speaker 5: I said, give me no information, give me nothing. I

450
00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 5: don't want to know. Tell me if they actually want

451
00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:01,720
Speaker 5: me to come in. That's all I want to know.

452
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 5: And they didn't. I said, I don't care who's going in.

453
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:09,119
Speaker 5: I don't want to know when, and if they want me,

454
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 5: then I will know. Yes, that's all I wanted. Meaning

455
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,639
Speaker 5: the audition are actually playing the role the audition. So

456
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 5: this is wild to me that Cynthia or Eva would

457
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 5: have to audition for anything.

458
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:24,199
Speaker 1: Just because it's like, well, clearly we know this is

459
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,399
Speaker 1: going to be brilliant, but you do have to audition.

460
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,840
Speaker 1: And when you do, do you sing defying gravity?

461
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 5: Yes, wow, you sing defying gravity. You sing the Wizard

462
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 5: and I you sing for Good. You do a bunch

463
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,159
Speaker 5: of scenes, but they were really really respectful. I actually

464
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 5: think what happened was because I think I was the

465
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 5: last to come in. John and I had had a

466
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,399
Speaker 5: couple of conversations, and then I waited a couple of

467
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,639
Speaker 5: weeks and then they came back with we want you

468
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 5: to come in, and it was a camera test essentially,

469
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 5: So I was there for three hours my audition, and

470
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,879
Speaker 5: that was the one and only thing I came in

471
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,399
Speaker 5: to do. I think they were deeply, deeply respectful. I

472
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,679
Speaker 5: think John had teed it up for me. It was

473
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:01,399
Speaker 5: mine to lose.

474
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 7: God.

475
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,400
Speaker 5: I felt like he gave me the most amazing platform

476
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,439
Speaker 5: to come in and do my work and then let

477
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 5: it be. And I think that's probably why. But I

478
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,439
Speaker 5: loved that I got the chance to come in and

479
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 5: show how much I wanted it and show how much

480
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,680
Speaker 5: it meant to me. And I was prepared to come

481
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,679
Speaker 5: in a couple of times if they needed me to,

482
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,680
Speaker 5: because I think the role deserves.

483
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 1: That, right.

484
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:31,920
Speaker 5: I think the role needs it. It's not enough to

485
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 5: want to come in because you can sing. It's not

486
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,439
Speaker 5: enough to come in because you can act. I think

487
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 5: there are layers that he was looking for, and I

488
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:43,639
Speaker 5: remember when he said the thing that swung it for

489
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 5: him was the way I did the Wizard and I

490
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 5: he said, there was like a vulnerability that I hadn't

491
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 5: seen in the other roles, like a youthful, hopeful energy

492
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 5: that the other roles don't permit, don't give you the

493
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 5: chance to do, Harriet, does not give you the chance

494
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 5: to do. And because it's there's so much more depth.

495
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 5: It's like deep and hard and you know, resilient, and Bell,

496
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 5: who is in Widows doesn't. It's not that, you know

497
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 5: what I mean, fantastic, but it's a different energy in

498
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 5: the way this is really side of you. And so

499
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 5: I think he was he wanted to see like the

500
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 5: wide eyed openness that I have, but I don't necessarily

501
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,919
Speaker 5: get the chance to share and the Wizard and I

502
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 5: gave that energy to him. So I was just I

503
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 5: think I was lucky that he allowed me to express

504
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:40,120
Speaker 5: that and show it.

505
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and also what it takes to hold the responsibility

506
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,120
Speaker 1: of playing something so iconic. It's something that you've done

507
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,959
Speaker 1: several times. I was thinking about you know, your like

508
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 1: you know, Harry, like Aretha Franklin silly, you know, I mean,

509
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 1: like these come with ye scrutiny. Yes, but also responsibility

510
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: and history. And so I was wondering, because this seems

511
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: like a like a pattern, does that excite you or

512
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: is this like happenstance that these happen to be like

513
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 1: these iconic things, or do you find that You're like, yeah,

514
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: that thing that everyone's gonna watch examine, I'm not afraid

515
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: of that. I want to run to that. Are you

516
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 1: running to these things?

517
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 5: I think by accident, I'm running to them because I'm

518
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 5: not necessarily running to them because I know that people

519
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 5: are watching or inspecting them. I think I'm running to

520
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,959
Speaker 5: them because they're the most interesting people to play. Yeah,

521
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,120
Speaker 5: the ones who have like depth and history and there's

522
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 5: complexity in it all the way around.

523
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 4: I just think they're interesting characters first first and foremost.

524
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 5: They're people who have once in needs and maybe there

525
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 5: are parts of them that maybe haven't been discovered, and

526
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,880
Speaker 5: I want to like open them up even more and

527
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,120
Speaker 5: play and learn them even more.

528
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,199
Speaker 4: I think I'm intrigued by that.

529
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then then the layer of like, oh, but

530
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 5: also so many people know about this person, and so

531
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 5: many people are invested in this person and projecting yeah.

532
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:11,360
Speaker 3: Real or fictional, yes, yes, how much of I would say,

533
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 3: like the initial gut level alphabet in the audition, do

534
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,120
Speaker 3: you think was retained by the final product.

535
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 5: I think maybe about sixty percent. And I learned a

536
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:25,360
Speaker 5: lot when I was there.

537
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because you know what I love. I've heard

538
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 3: you talk about how a lot of roles you approach.

539
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,880
Speaker 3: You start with the walk, yeah, and I love how

540
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 3: you how you kind of the opening shots of Alphabet

541
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 3: are of her walk.

542
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

543
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 3: You literally start on the close up of the shoes, yeah,

544
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 3: the feet, yeah, as she sets fed on ches. And

545
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 3: I think from those immediately you understand that your take

546
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 3: on Alphaba is really new and beautiful. It's like she's

547
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 3: not like drab or like awkward or uncomfortable. She's very

548
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 3: self assured. She's there to like support her sister. And

549
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 3: then that first monolog where we're all like gawking at

550
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 3: and you're like, oh my god, who's she? You're like okay,

551
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 3: like in a way like and I love and celebrate,

552
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 3: Like as we're talking about the alphabets of yours, it's

553
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 3: like there's such a wonderful blueprint of how this has

554
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 3: been and for you to like honor that and also

555
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 3: sort of divert is really special, and I feel like

556
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 3: that must have come from like your experience with playing

557
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 3: all these.

558
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 5: Very different women. Yeah, and it was. You know, It's

559
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 5: like it's not on purpose to be like I'm going

560
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 5: to change everything now. No, I just once I put

561
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 5: her shoes on, and I think because of my own understanding,

562
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 5: and everyone has a different understanding of what it is

563
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 5: to be different in what it feels like to be

564
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 5: sort of like on the outside. I just thought to myself,

565
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 5: She's been in the skin.

566
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 4: For her her whole life.

567
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 5: It's not new for her. People staring at her, it's

568
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 5: not new for her. People having a weird like reaction

569
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 5: to her.

570
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 4: Not new.

571
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 5: Her needing to be the support for her sister, not new.

572
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 5: Her getting yelled at by her father not new. It's

573
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 5: like this is all stuff that she's been through already

574
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 5: and has like it's in her skin, in her DNA.

575
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 1: The assignment, That's what it is.

576
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 5: So like, the choice is I'm either gonna be mad

577
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 5: my whole life or I'm gonna get to the joke

578
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 5: before everybody else does, right, And if I can get

579
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 5: to the joke before everyone else does, and it is

580
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 5: a form of defense if I get there before everybody else,

581
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 5: then I can't be her.

582
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 4: They're already behind.

583
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:34,719
Speaker 5: So Okay, yeah, I'm not this, I'm not that if

584
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 5: I already say it myself exactly, I know, I know

585
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 5: what I'm in, I know what I look like, I

586
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 5: know what I'm where I've been, and I know what

587
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 5: you're thinking. Like my one of my favorite lines when

588
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 5: you first meet her is, here's my sister, necessarily, and

589
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 5: she's a perfectly acceptable color, Like because no one else says,

590
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 5: oh this is we don't she already knows, she knows what.

591
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 5: That's what everyone's thinking, right, And it's like she said it,

592
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,719
Speaker 5: like here we go, you know, And I think that's

593
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 5: how she functions.

594
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: Is that a defense mechanism that you relate to, Ye get.

595
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 4: Their first and.

596
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 3: It's a queer thing, and like it works on some

597
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 3: level until it doesn't until you're at the osdask right, it's.

598
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: Just self defense until you're building a weapon.

599
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 4: Oh my goshlie.

600
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 3: Lord lord, I'm not going to spoil something, but like

601
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 3: there's a moment at a very critical juncture of this

602
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 3: film where there's like an inner child healing moment. Yeah,

603
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 3: and it is executed. So every emotional beat of this

604
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 3: movie lands, which is not to say that the rest

605
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 3: of the movie like doesn't work on any It's just

606
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 3: the underpinnings of this movie are purely emotional and that's

607
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 3: like a testament to you. And this moment of the

608
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 3: inner child. Yes, for a long time, I kind of

609
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 3: rolled my eyes at that. Oh you have to like

610
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 3: what is like like right, talk to like the young

611
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 3: version of myself. I roll something about this movie really

612
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 3: like cracked me the fuck open with that, except you

613
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 3: know what I mean, And it's like what you're saying

614
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 3: with like, oh, alphabet, we all kind of grew grow

615
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 3: up with these.

616
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,959
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's because you don't think that because throughout the movie,

617
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,719
Speaker 5: she the inner child is not on the outside. And

618
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 5: I think that's actually how most of us function, Like

619
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 5: we don't realize that we're all healing like deep seated

620
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 5: wounds that are on the children that we were. Yes,

621
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 5: but it's never usually it's not obvious.

622
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 4: We don't know.

623
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 5: And I don't even think she knows until she knows.

624
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 5: You know, she remembers certain things and there are things

625
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 5: that we like that she keeps to herself, and it

626
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 5: shows up in like flickers and when she gets yelled

627
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 5: at by her father. It's like an immediate sort of

628
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 5: like call to what has been, but she doesn't. There's

629
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 5: no real acknowledgment until she has to acknowledge. But that's

630
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 5: what she's running away from, and that that's what she

631
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 5: has to move towards.

632
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 4: Oh oh my god, you were sitting here.

633
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: It's just so funny because I had a moment where

634
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: I started to get a little emotional because I'm remembering

635
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: and this is a little bit of a left turn.

636
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: But when you performed I'm here on the Tony Awards.

637
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: That was I believe it was a couple of days

638
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: or maybe the day after Pulse, and I just remember

639
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: how much that meant to me and to so many

640
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: people that felt like you were putting a warm blanket

641
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: over everyone. So I guess just like thank you for

642
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: the gift of that performance, like retroactively now years later,

643
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: but also in terms of like being given these opportunities

644
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: to give these live performances, because we mentioned ALFI earlier,

645
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: you know, nothing compares. It's another opportunity that is very

646
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: high stress that you seem to be running towards, and.

647
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 8: I would runs we saw windows. But like again, those

648
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 8: opportunities which will probably come forever. Do they excite you?

649
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: How are you feeling in the moments of receiving offers

650
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: to do things like that, receiving calls to do things

651
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: like that, in the moment of doing.

652
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 5: Things When it comes to as a singer, I do

653
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 5: go towards them because I feel like if I wasn't

654
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 5: meant to, they wouldn't come my way. And I think

655
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 5: there are moments of great responsibility to connect with people.

656
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 5: People say that actors, we're not saving lives, but I

657
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 5: think that there is an aspect of.

658
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 4: Maybe we can heal a couple of people.

659
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: Singing music is different, you know.

660
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 5: Sing crapt people open, We can connect. We can help

661
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 5: you connect with things that you might not have thought of.

662
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 5: We can help you heal a little thing and think

663
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 5: of something. And I feel like that's my duty, that's

664
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 5: my work. That's the grander design of the gift that

665
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 5: I've been given to sing. So when opportunities like that

666
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 5: come singing at the Kennedy Center, of course, I'm going

667
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 5: to stand there and give deal Morik her flowers. Of

668
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 5: Course I'm going to share with her the moment that

669
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 5: I really fell in love with her, the fact that

670
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 5: her voice is the seminal voice for Alfie for me,

671
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 5: you know, I want to connect with her on that.

672
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 5: You know, of course I'm gonna sing. I think there

673
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 5: was a performance of I'm Here that I had to

674
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 5: do after like the last crazy election that we had

675
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 5: to do and people were like in tears. I knew

676
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 5: that I had to go to work to be like, hey,

677
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 5: we're okay. And I was asked to sing Imagine at

678
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 5: the Glad Awards after Pulse in dedication to of course

679
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 5: I'm going to come in and sing that because we're

680
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 5: going to be okay.

681
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: Do you feel that way? I do?

682
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 4: I do.

683
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 5: I really believe that that is my work and to

684
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 5: validate people's feelings, the feelings that we have through music.

685
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 5: I really think that there is a bigger purpose at

686
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 5: hand when you have a voice, when you can use

687
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 5: music to connect with people. Not enough to just sing

688
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:06,479
Speaker 5: a song, what is the point? Yeah, but if you

689
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 5: can use music and tune and notes and lyric to

690
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 5: connect to validate a person's feelings, to send them off

691
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 5: and feeling better, to tell them that we move through this,

692
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 5: it's going to be okay, that this is a gateway

693
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 5: to healing. I'm happy to do that.

694
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:26,439
Speaker 4: I'll do it.

695
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's funny because your performance of Alfhie, like I

696
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: always knew the song, yeah, you know what I mean,

697
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: but it was like I was hearing it for the

698
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 1: first time and it was so funny because like I

699
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: had gone through a situation with someone and didn't realize

700
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: that that song was speaking to that experience until I was,

701
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: and it actually empowered me because it's like, I know

702
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: what love is really is, right, you know what I mean?

703
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: And it's twofold. It's you expressing and telling that story

704
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: but also honoring her. Yeah, and I wonder like, did

705
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 1: you have a conversation with this Warwick afterwards?

706
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, she's very happy because she's very happy.

707
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 4: She's tough, but she was happy. She was happy.

708
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 5: She said, no, you didn't need to sing it like that,

709
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 5: so be careful now.

710
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you very.

711
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 1: Much, major moment.

712
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 4: Thank you.

713
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, she was happy and they can see her up

714
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 5: in the box and she was like for Clempton, you know, tearful,

715
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 5: and I was like, okay, I'm doing.

716
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: The thing of them watching you and that type of

717
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: too is so wise.

718
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 4: It's insane.

719
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: Yea.

720
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 4: The Kennedy Center is something that is so grand.

721
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 5: It's it's one of those you have to figure out

722
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 5: how to fill the room. Yeah, And for me, I

723
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 5: have to fill the room standing in the spot. That's

724
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 5: what I do. I stand and sing. And so every

725
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 5: detail for me is like, what's the dress that's not

726
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,320
Speaker 5: the right one. We need this, and what's the orchestration?

727
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 5: We need this orchestration. No, one're not going to if

728
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 5: we rush this and we make this two beats too fast,

729
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 5: it's not gonna it won't land the way. We need breath,

730
00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 5: We need space. And I had spoken to the orchestrator, Lenny,

731
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 5: who is amazing. I said, do not do not start

732
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 5: this until I am set at the mic and I

733
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 5: take a breath. We have to reset. I need to

734
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 5: reset before we begin. And he didn't because the production

735
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 5: wanted me to. They wanted the music to start before I.

736
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: Because they wanted to move there.

737
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 4: You can you dare wait.

738
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 3: It's a hospitality principle. It's like you have to be

739
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 3: unreasonable about the way you make people feel. Yes, and

740
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 3: that is that is what you are doing. And I

741
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 3: loved this interview that you and Renee Rap had at

742
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 3: Electrically that you guys are related by being Capricorns, Like

743
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 3: this is I think, is this part of Capricorn identity,

744
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 3: like having this sort of vision, having the conviction I

745
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 3: think to tell yourself, like this is what this charge was.

746
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 5: Yes, this is the charge, this is the job, this

747
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 5: is how I'm going to do it.

748
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 4: Very clear about that. Yeah, because this.

749
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 3: Thing of you guys talking about how like you need

750
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 3: to believe it sounds and I'm just saying wrong in

751
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 3: my it myself at this It's like I always didn't

752
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 3: really quite believe the idea of like you got to

753
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 3: believe in yourself or else nobody else will. It's like,

754
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 3: but then like it doesn't make any sense any other way. Yeah,

755
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. That has to be the

756
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 3: sequence of things in order for you to like do

757
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 3: what you guys do.

758
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, because there are literally times where only you believe

759
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,959
Speaker 5: the thing that is going to happen, uh huh, and

760
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 5: there's no one else. But why should anyone else believe

761
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 5: if you don't, like why there's no reason to. But

762
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 5: if you know and you have a clarity about what

763
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 5: it is you're meant to do and what you're and

764
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 5: how you're meant to do it, then it's easy for

765
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 5: someone else to.

766
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 4: See it right, because you can you can see it.

767
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, you talk about getting involved with the color purple

768
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: and a sort of not low fi but like not

769
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: necessarily a production in England that seemed like it was

770
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: going to do what it is Now, would you consider

771
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: that to be the biggest risk you've taken? Is like

772
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 1: really going for that role on that scale?

773
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 4: I don't think it was a risk at all.

774
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 5: I was so sure that it was meant to be

775
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 5: doing it. I was so sure, And it could have

776
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 5: been in I don't know someone's front room and it

777
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 5: did not matter. I just knew if it was coming,

778
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 5: I was meant to do it. I was so clear

779
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 5: about it. There was not one part of me that

780
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 5: was like, well, this is risky. I don't know what

781
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 5: I'm going to do.

782
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: I was.

783
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 4: I was so sure about it.

784
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 3: You were on towards Distract, you heard that it was.

785
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 3: It was like they were seeing people for it.

786
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 4: Yes, and they said I want to play the role. Dang, yeah,

787
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 4: I'm going to be doing that.

788
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, And everyone else was like, but are you sure,

789
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 5: Like what if they ask you to do like the

790
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 5: first cover? I was like no, no, no, I want

791
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 5: to play the role. I know that the role is

792
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 5: what I'm supposed to be doing. And the first cover

793
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 5: is amazing, But this is a role the role I want.

794
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 5: I know, I'm so sure about it. This is what

795
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 5: I want?

796
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, what what is that?

797
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 4: Is that? Intellectual? Emotional?

798
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: Like?

799
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 3: Where does that?

800
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:49,240
Speaker 4: I think it's both.

801
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 5: I think it's like in the first instant, it was

802
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 5: like a guttural emotional knowledge.

803
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 4: Yes, then it became how am I going to do?

804
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 4: How am I going to do it? Yes? Yeah? I

805
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 4: love that so much? How much my life is like this? No,

806
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,399
Speaker 4: but this is but like look where it's gotten, you know, you.

807
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 5: Know, like the emotion is there, and like the feeling

808
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 5: is there, and then task this.

809
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 3: It's not holding you back in any way. So like

810
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 3: what's wrong with that?

811
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 4: You know?

812
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: How do you unwind? What? What do you do to?

813
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 5: I need a sleepy time tea? And I love a tea.

814
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 5: I will carry a tea with me everywhere I go.

815
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 5: But it's bedtime, I you know, I get myself in

816
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 5: my pjs. I like a particular PJ. Like I will

817
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 5: wear an outfit to bed.

818
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 8: You know.

819
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 4: I love to dress. It's a look European thing. Yeah,

820
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 4: I have to dress my perfume.

821
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 5: I get ready, my routine full, get the whole thing.

822
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 5: Then I will like get cozy. I'll put on a

823
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 5: movie or a TV show they feel bad, and then

824
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 5: I'll journal and then seek.

825
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 4: That's my thing.

826
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: Do you watch comedies or do you like to comedies

827
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: or like like dramas? Nothing crazy, nothing crazy.

828
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 5: I can't you know people who watched like sixty minutes

829
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,720
Speaker 5: before bed or like the first twenty four hours.

830
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I was. I don't know how you do it.

831
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 5: No, it's too much for me. I don't want to

832
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 5: watch that. Of course, daytime for me watching those things,

833
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 5: But for me it's nighttime, like something light, fair, right, fun,

834
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 5: something that lifts, and then.

835
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 4: To bed and then up at what five am.

836
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 5: Sometimes doing five and seven, to run, to walk, to

837
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:28,760
Speaker 5: pilates whatever.

838
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 4: I have to do something.

839
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,720
Speaker 3: You and Michelle Yoh every day on set on production

840
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 3: of Wicked, just the most godly people, both of you,

841
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 3: getting up, doing your runs, doing your workouts. I'm like,

842
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 3: I need to get my shit together.

843
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 4: I was so an r but there was no other

844
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 4: way to do this role. You think, so I just

845
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 4: I couldn't. I needed I needed the.

846
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 5: Physical movement, not just for like the actual physicality of it,

847
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 5: but for the emotion of it all I needed to

848
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 5: be physical because I needed to make sure my body

849
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 5: was ready for like the flight work. Harness work doesn't

850
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 5: work if you haven't got your call together, if you

851
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 5: haven't got your body together. It really does have to

852
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 5: get ready for what kind of onslaught you get when

853
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 5: you're in a harness and flights and singing?

854
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a question, and I think we can

855
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 3: talk about this. So we basically had twelve days left

856
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 3: of shooting and then sack strike happened. And I will

857
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 3: say that the way things were segmented define gravity was

858
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 3: the last was the last thing that was So I'm thinking, Wow,

859
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 3: Cynthia is holding on to this and considering this, and

860
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 3: it's all leading up to like this thing that is

861
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 3: going to be talked about and will be very difficult

862
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 3: to pull up. And it's a collaborative thing with you

863
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 3: and with John and with everybody. And then the strike happens. Yes, wild, wild,

864
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 3: sort of like stoppage. You're not just dropped.

865
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 4: Out the bridge and then you don't cross.

866
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 3: Exactly What was that like for you? What was it

867
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 3: like to go back to it?

868
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 4: At first?

869
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 5: It started off like torture, like because I was I

870
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 5: felt like I was ready, yeah, because we had gotten

871
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 5: right there and I was like, okay, we're ready. I'm ready,

872
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 5: like I'm game fit, I'm good to do this. And

873
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 5: then I had to accept we weren't coming back quickly.

874
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 5: But you don't let go of. They don't go anywhere.

875
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 5: The character is sort of like sitting in you sort

876
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 5: of like so I'm still like getting my body ready,

877
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 5: working out, working like I'm still on set but not

878
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 5: on site on so I'm like doing all those things,

879
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 5: trying to like feed my body, making sure that I'm

880
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 5: working out the way you need to work out, making

881
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 5: sure that I'm keeping my voice the way I need

882
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 5: it to be, and like checking in and but also

883
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 5: having to let it go just a little bit so

884
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 5: that I don't drive myself insane because it's still there

885
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 5: and I'm still waiting. And also there's like the anticipation

886
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 5: of having to do it. It never really left until

887
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 5: we get until we come back. And when I come back,

888
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 5: I was like ready, yeah, ready to do it, and

889
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 5: then I get ill.

890
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 3: Oh, I forgot about this.

891
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: What happened?

892
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 4: Just the worst kind of you? I mean, my skin

893
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 4: was hurting. It was horrible.

894
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 5: The day after my birthday, I was in on my

895
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 5: birthday rehearsing and training for flying the next day total.

896
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 3: Total, I remember I had wrapped and then I came

897
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,240
Speaker 3: back to New York and then they were like Cynthia.

898
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 3: I was like, God, this let this woman live, Let

899
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 3: this woman know.

900
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 4: I was.

901
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 5: I was, And when I say you, I was. I

902
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 5: was so sick, like running a fever. The fever would break,

903
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 5: then the fever would come back again. Concerning sick, yeah,

904
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 5: I was like, when is this going to stop? It

905
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 5: just went on for like a week. The whole week,

906
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 5: week and a half. I was done down. So I

907
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 5: was like, Okay, what are we going to do this right?

908
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 5: Because at this point I'm annoyed with myself. I'm like,

909
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 5: why is this happening now?

910
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 4: Yeah?

911
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 3: I mean, is there something in retrospect now where you're like, God,

912
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,240
Speaker 3: it was like one last mountain to scale?

913
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: Yeah?

914
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 4: I think so. I think it's weird.

915
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 5: I think the universe was forcing me to earn it,

916
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 5: really earn it. Wow.

917
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 4: So when I really got there.

918
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: Used to relax.

919
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 4: She always doing the.

920
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,919
Speaker 5: Most, always doing the most, was making me earn ship.

921
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 5: Leave me alone for a second, please, because I'm always

922
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 5: working bitchy, but like, it really was that last sort

923
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 5: of like let's see, do you really want to do this?

924
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 5: It really felt like that, And so when we got here,

925
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 5: I was like, right, right, let's go, let's do this.

926
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, you fucking earned it. That's that's all we can say.

927
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 3: Thank you, but god it is. This is what I'm

928
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 3: telling people. This is my little press quote, my favorite

929
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 3: last ten minutes of a film in cinema history. It's

930
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 3: epic than and I will say, and people know the story,

931
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 3: like I think I was watching again last night. I

932
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 3: was like, oh my god, Cynthia, it is so dialed

933
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 3: in every single frame of the levels of betrayal that

934
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 3: I was setting in in that moment when you find

935
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 3: out what you were brought to do. I was like,

936
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,720
Speaker 3: every moment of this, when you walk to the Grimmary,

937
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 3: and when you take it with you, when you run away,

938
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 3: I'm like, it's all perfect, it's all perfect, Cynthia.

939
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 4: And John just let me go. He just was like,

940
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 4: here's where you're moving to. Yep, just go, we'll follow you.

941
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 4: We'll follow you. What did it feel and asked what

942
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 4: it felt like when it was a picture.

943
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 5: App I crumbled because it was the last one, and

944
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 5: I can't even describe the feeling because it was, you

945
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 5: know when the only time I felt similar was the

946
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 5: last show for the Color Purple, where you're carrying something

947
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 5: for a really long time and like happy to carry it,

948
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 5: like it's the best possible weight you could you can hold,

949
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 5: and you're like, this is I'm carrying, It's part of me. Yeah,

950
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 5: and then that you hear it's closed or that wrap,

951
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 5: and it's like someone takes the weight from you and

952
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 5: puts it down. Yeah, it was like putting a piece

953
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 5: of myself down for a bit. And it was so

954
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 5: quiet that last shot because we'd finished shooting Defying Gravity

955
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 5: and they had like just one little incidental to shoot

956
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 5: left and it was just like me lifting flowers in

957
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 5: a hole or something. And I just was like, it

958
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 5: was so quiet.

959
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 4: And it felt right for it to be quiet. Yeah.

960
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: Do you think in those moments because it's alphabet, because

961
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: it's silly, the reason why it means so much is

962
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: because you're genuinely saying goodbye to that character. I would

963
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: imagine that silly is not something you'll revisit.

964
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, and literally not like probably not alphabe unless it's

965
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 3: for like a Universal Studios riety not to bring that up,

966
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 3: but it's like, and that will be that.

967
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 5: It's saying bye to really close friends. Yeah yeah, yeah.

968
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: So I would imagine like these things that they have impact,

969
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:24,280
Speaker 1: but really it's like because it's personal, that's what it is.

970
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 4: It's like, it's great taking care of a person for

971
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 4: a real long time. Yeah yeah, yeah, it's great. I

972
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 4: cried for like hours after that. Yeah.

973
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 5: I couldn't like get rid of the feeling. And the

974
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 5: day after was so weird. I just didn't even know

975
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 5: what to do with myself.

976
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, how could you not?

977
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: And it has probably nothing to do with oh this moment,

978
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,439
Speaker 1: maybe I could have done this that it's genuinely it's

979
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: like a human relationship.

980
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, Like taking the green off for the

981
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 5: first time was wow, yeah, I'm not doing this again.

982
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah.

983
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: And you probably get used to that in some regard

984
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,720
Speaker 1: with theater, you know, because you that's the thing about

985
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: being in this business that I think is one of

986
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: the things that takes at least me by surprise. And

987
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: I would imagine everyone is, oh, I come in here

988
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 1: and I make really great relationships, and then they do end,

989
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: you know, you you've maintain those people in your life,

990
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: like you'll always be friends with so and so, and

991
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: you'll always have that memory. But you don't go to

992
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: work again when everyone else does. And so it's not

993
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: just those people, it's that person you play when you

994
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: put so much into it.

995
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess for Alphabet, particularly because she's such a transformation,

996
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 5: because I do spend like three hours getting her together

997
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 5: in the morning, right, you know, she doesn't like you

998
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 5: have to care to put her together, and then she appears.

999
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:51,399
Speaker 5: You know, it really was like, oh, I'm letting someone go,

1000
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 5: Like I'm never going to see this person again. It's

1001
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 5: not like, you know, Celi's wonderful, but she had my face.

1002
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 5: You know, I don't have to really her on. You

1003
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 5: put her on, but it's like a wig and an outfit.

1004
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 5: Alphabet was a complete transformation. I disappeared when Alfabet came

1005
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 5: into the room.

1006
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 3: It was a beautiful construction, like a craft's like a

1007
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 3: work of crafts.

1008
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, person, everyone, the amount of work that went to

1009
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 5: putting her together, the people that you know, the relationships

1010
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 5: you make with those people who are with you for

1011
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 5: two and a half hours before anyone else sees you

1012
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 5: in the morning, at the crack of dawn, and then

1013
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 5: at the end of the night they helped sweetly take

1014
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 5: her off again and you put to bed.

1015
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 4: But this last time, that was the last time.

1016
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, because she existed for a while, yes, and now

1017
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: she does exist, but like in that way. But yeah,

1018
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:48,359
Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying. Fascinating. We have to ask

1019
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 1: you the central question of our podcast. Yes, so do

1020
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: you want to pose the question, yes, Cynthia Riva. What

1021
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: is the culture that made you say a cultureist? For me,

1022
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: the formative kind of cultural thing that made you who

1023
00:49:59,120 --> 00:49:59,399
Speaker 1: you are?

1024
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,720
Speaker 5: The cultural thing who made that made me who I?

1025
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 5: I guess music, Huh, the culture of music, because there

1026
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:08,919
Speaker 5: is a culture of it. I think that's the thing

1027
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 5: that I actually think. It's the first language I learned.

1028
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 5: I think it's the first thing I understood. My mum

1029
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,240
Speaker 5: says that I was singing when I was two, Wow,

1030
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 5: and I was putting words together. But like you're still

1031
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 5: figuring out sentence structure when you're two, But I.

1032
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: Knew communicating in music in you tune Oh interesting?

1033
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, wow, that I think made me very much who

1034
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 4: I am.

1035
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,240
Speaker 3: And then would you say there was like a moment

1036
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 3: of understanding on a technique or a technical level what

1037
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 3: it was.

1038
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 5: I think when I was about eleven, I really understood it.

1039
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 5: I knew I could make the sound. When I was

1040
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,399
Speaker 5: about five and between five and the age of like ten,

1041
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 5: I was sort of playing around with singing a little bit,

1042
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 5: singing with friends. But when I was eleven, I realized, oh,

1043
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 5: there's something I can do with this. This is there's

1044
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 5: a way I can you use my voice and change

1045
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 5: the way things sound and mess around with things like

1046
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 5: That's when I start to have a real technical understanding

1047
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 5: of what it was.

1048
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: Yes, So I think that's something that becomes really obvious,

1049
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: like as you get older as an artist, is that

1050
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 1: there's singing and there's performance, and then there's being a

1051
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 1: recording artist, and those two things are so different. But

1052
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,439
Speaker 1: what you just said about like creating sound and using

1053
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: your voice in different ways is something that there is

1054
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: so much opportunity and with recorded Ye. Nick, So I

1055
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: know that you are working on a new project and

1056
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: that you worked with Arianna to do that.

1057
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 5: Yes, So basically what happened was I've recorded an album before,

1058
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 5: and the experience was not necessarily experienced that I wanted

1059
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,879
Speaker 5: for myself, and it just was checkered with a whole

1060
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 5: bunch of stuff that wasn't right for me. And she

1061
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 5: and I had like a really sweetheart to heart. I

1062
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 5: sat down and I talked to her about my experiences

1063
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 5: and what's going on. She was like, well, it's because

1064
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 5: I had really interesting relationships with managers that just didn't

1065
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 5: really understand and it got a little toxic from time

1066
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 5: to time. And she was like, well, that's because she

1067
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 5: don't need a manager, cyntheas, because you already know what

1068
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 5: you want. What you need is a good label. What

1069
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 5: you need is a good team producer and yeah, and

1070
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 5: you need people who understand your idea and can help

1071
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 5: you execute the idea. And so we started talking and

1072
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 5: it just so happens that we're under the same label,

1073
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 5: but it's a different conglomerate, different imprint. So she introduced

1074
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 5: me to her imprint and I started having conversations, and

1075
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 5: now I'm under a joint venture. So it meant that

1076
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 5: I had the care from the people that I wanted

1077
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 5: the care from before, and then new care from a

1078
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 5: team that was ready and raring to go and that

1079
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 5: really understood the story I wanted to tell, and so

1080
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 5: I've been I've finished writing now the songs are written

1081
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 5: like five seconds away from being fully ready. And whilst

1082
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 5: I was writing it was sending it to her and

1083
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 5: having her listen to it, sending back and forth, getting

1084
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:00,040
Speaker 5: her opinion, and she said, the whole.

1085
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: Thing incredible resource in terms of it's been amazing.

1086
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's been like to be able to get her

1087
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 5: ear on things because I trust her ear implicitly has

1088
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 5: been really really monumental.

1089
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 4: And now I'm kind of ready.

1090
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,399
Speaker 5: So we're putting it, finishing touches and getting it all

1091
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 5: done and by hopefully next year you'll have it.

1092
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 4: Wow. What is it?

1093
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 8: Giving cool way to ask that people always ask, like,

1094
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:29,720
Speaker 8: what's the genre?

1095
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 5: I think there are several genres just because of who

1096
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 5: I am and my upbringing in music. My inspirations can

1097
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 5: come from anywhere from Anya to Aretha Franklin, so there's

1098
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 5: a lot of different mixes in between. So there's things

1099
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 5: that ended up being country, but I didn't mean them

1100
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 5: to sound like country. And they are pieces that are

1101
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 5: very R and B because that's what I've raised on.

1102
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 5: And there are pieces that feel sort of like a

1103
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 5: little left field. It's a very eclectic album, but the

1104
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 5: through line is vocal padding. So I've used my vocal,

1105
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 5: my voice as an instrument. So you'll each song has

1106
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:07,919
Speaker 5: its own vocal pattern, vocal rhythm, very specific to the song.

1107
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 4: But that's just what happened.

1108
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 5: And so each song starts with the voice first, and

1109
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 5: then we had instruments afterwards. A lot of what we

1110
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 5: compose and what we made started with the voice.

1111
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 1: Wow.

1112
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 5: And it's because my A and R who is now

1113
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 5: the President of Republic, Wendy, who is amazing, and she

1114
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 5: said do you know about Enya? And I knew exactly

1115
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 5: what she meant immediately. And there is a song on

1116
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 5: Enya's album that is the basis for Ready or Not

1117
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 5: Fuji's Ready or Not.

1118
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, And at the moment that yeah.

1119
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:47,280
Speaker 4: Exactly, and I was like, oh yeah, I understand.

1120
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,959
Speaker 5: Wow, Yeah, that the idea that you can put two

1121
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 5: different things together, make them collide and they make this

1122
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 5: one special thing. I just loved that idea because both

1123
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 5: those pieces, both the Any piece and the fujispiece are

1124
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 5: vocal forward.

1125
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 4: Yes.

1126
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: Yes, So I was like, unforgettable.

1127
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 4: That I can do that. I understand. She's like, your

1128
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 4: voice is an instrument, so just use it that way

1129
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:09,280
Speaker 4: because it's.

1130
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 3: Really cool if you don't mind me saying, like, you

1131
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 3: can do like the Ena Panning on let's say ready

1132
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 3: or not and then also give the Lauren Hill exactly.

1133
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really exciting for you to find that. Yeah,

1134
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: it's also really interesting because Arianna has her thing with

1135
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:25,320
Speaker 1: image and heat and so that's like almost like another

1136
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 1: way that you.

1137
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 4: Can connect speak to each other.

1138
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:30,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love the Vanity Fair piece that

1139
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 3: Chris Murphy our friend.

1140
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 5: The best sweetheart wonderful and I read how he wrote that.

1141
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 5: It just it was I was so touched and moved

1142
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 5: that that's what he really got us.

1143
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:42,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, he got you guys. I read it.

1144
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 3: I just felt you guys through the piece and I

1145
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 3: mean it ends on you in this really beautiful way

1146
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 3: and it just and I texted you read out. I

1147
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 3: was like, this is so I'm crying, this is so perfect.

1148
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 1: Oh, very proud of So the album will be next,

1149
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 1: albums next, yeah, and then is there It's crazy to

1150
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 1: even think like after you do something like Alpha, but

1151
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: obviously there's going to be years and decades more, but

1152
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,839
Speaker 1: what do you want to do next? Like what's the next?

1153
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 4: What are you.

1154
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 5: Exactly what I want to do next, But I don't

1155
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 5: know if I can say, because I don't want to

1156
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 5: like jinx myself and get myself into trouble.

1157
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 4: You can tell us after, I'll tell you.

1158
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 5: But I know what I want to do next. But

1159
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 5: on top of which, my production company is working on

1160
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 5: a series right now and that seems to be going

1161
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 5: quite well. It looks like it might be greenlit very soon,

1162
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 5: where like in the final processes of doing that, so

1163
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,879
Speaker 5: that would be it would be my project, and that

1164
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 5: might come to TV soon. But I want to just

1165
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 5: I want to I loved how big and explorative this

1166
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 5: particular piece was.

1167
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 4: I want to do that more. I want to just

1168
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 4: be adventurous with it.

1169
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, and there's a play called Prima fasci Oh course

1170
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 5: it happened, and we're turning it into a movie, and.

1171
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 1: You're doing the film. Oh I saw it with Jody.

1172
00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: I'm in and it's just it's it's a great piece

1173
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:00,839
Speaker 1: of work.

1174
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 5: And we've been we've been through the mill with it

1175
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:04,320
Speaker 5: because we're supposed to have it. We're supposed to have

1176
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 5: shot it last year the strike and then we lost

1177
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 5: some of the funding. But I think we're okay, everything,

1178
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 5: we're coming back together and think we're getting a funding.

1179
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 4: It's a preproduction. I don't know. The funding is still coming.

1180
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 5: Funny, still coming up. But what I think we've found it.

1181
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 5: So I think that that.

1182
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 1: Is a tour de force. That is a tall order.

1183
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 5: That is you're running to run, running into the fire.

1184
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 5: But I think the more these characters turn up that

1185
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 5: desires something, that need their voices to be heard, that

1186
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 5: like feel powerful and not in the stereotypical sense of

1187
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:45,439
Speaker 5: the world, but like have a power in them, I'm there.

1188
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 4: That's what I want to do. Wow.

1189
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, one final thing. Yes, I was reading Middle March

1190
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 3: on set. Oh yeah, and I remember you got a copy?

1191
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 4: Do you have a copy? I haven't ready. I haven't.

1192
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 4: I haven't finished it either. I was going to ask

1193
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 4: you if you finished it. Haven't ready yet.

1194
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 3: It's a big one, yeah, Jelly, a huge book. But

1195
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 3: it's supposed to be amazing.

1196
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 4: Okay, well I'm going into it. I'm gonna get yeah.

1197
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 5: Actually, well, actually what I want to do is take

1198
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 5: like a couple of series on tour with me.

1199
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 4: We can move through. So Middle March I make take

1200
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 4: with me as well. Could be good. I still have

1201
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 4: to finish a little life. I have to.

1202
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 5: Oh my god, it's hard. I know it's hard, and

1203
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 5: I've put it off for a really long time. But

1204
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 5: I know it's going to be good, and I have

1205
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 5: to just suck it up and pick it up and

1206
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 5: just read.

1207
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: I have to have to be in the right environment.

1208
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 1: And I tried to read it on a plane and

1209
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 1: I started to have an anxiety. I can't do this

1210
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: on a No. No, it was because it's kind of

1211
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 1: rough and tumble, like from the jump, oh like and

1212
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: then it gets way worse.

1213
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 4: But like, yeah, Hanya, she doesn't mess No, no, no, no.

1214
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 4: Are you ready for the tour?

1215
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 5: Yes, very much. I think it's absolutely manic and crazy

1216
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 5: and wild. But I'm okay, but so fun. Yeah.

1217
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: Are the looks picked out?

1218
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 4: The looks are picked out. Okay, that would be such

1219
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 4: a fun.

1220
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 5: At least topics the premiers have definitely picked out, like

1221
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 5: fine tuning things, but we're picking all the like the

1222
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 5: things in between.

1223
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 4: We're trying to make sure that we're considered for everything. Sure.

1224
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so like the green of it all, Yes,

1225
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 1: did you have a good relationship with that color before that?

1226
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 5: Actually, my favorite color, perfect, which is the strangest, craziest thing.

1227
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 5: That is my favorite color and now people think I'm

1228
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 5: just wearing it for this and I'm not. I had

1229
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 5: a lot of green and my this is just an

1230
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 5: opportunity to get more.

1231
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 4: Thank you for.

1232
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 1: This is this is a beautiful I'm.

1233
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 4: Really proud of this.

1234
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 5: I found this in a Paris vintage shop and it

1235
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 5: is an original.

1236
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, that is just hard to find. Yeah, really special.

1237
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 1: Last night at the c FDA, you did black though

1238
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 1: right the hood. It was beautiful, you were giving thank

1239
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: you kind of nice to like step out of it

1240
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: for us second and just have your isolated c FDA fashion.

1241
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 4: It was nice.

1242
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 5: Ye yes, yes, yes, it was my little such of

1243
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 5: green on my neck and that was just the touch touch.

1244
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1245
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, that dress. I loved. It made me feel so dress.

1246
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 5: Well, it's like Gaps by zac pos And he'll say

1247
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 5: Gap Studios, but he has now he is an Ataalie

1248
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 5: with Gap now and that's what.

1249
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 1: You have a great relationship with zac Posen.

1250
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 5: When I when I came to New York, I like

1251
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 5: nobody knew who I was and I have a stylist.

1252
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 5: But this thing color purple was really taking off and

1253
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 5: I was like well, I have all these events to

1254
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 5: go to and I have nothing with me. I have

1255
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 5: my clothes, but they're not it's not right for these

1256
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 5: very special events. So I went to his studio and

1257
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 5: he I fit for like a dress, but he sent

1258
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 5: me away with like nine yeah, and separates and things

1259
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 5: that I could throw on if I needed, if you know.

1260
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 5: He just really took care of me and has done

1261
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 5: ever since. Yeah, it's just a sweetheart.

1262
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 1: It's an incredibly fun part of it for an artist too,

1263
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 1: like because it's more storytelling, which I don't think people

1264
01:00:56,840 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 1: realize on the outside. It's like this is another opportunity.

1265
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1266
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 1: Well, I'm just.

1267
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 3: Saying like you and Ari are such perfect people for

1268
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 3: the scale of this kind of thing, because to me,

1269
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 3: it kind of all began with the Metal or with

1270
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 3: the Oscars and then the mec Gala. But just like

1271
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 3: all the footage out of the Meccal, even though it's

1272
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 3: really supposed to film any that's like all of it

1273
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 3: that came out. I was just like, holy ship, this

1274
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:20,959
Speaker 3: is this is going to be major works.

1275
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 4: It works together.

1276
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1277
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you're both such good fashion music.

1278
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, we love I mean, it's terrible the two of

1279
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 5: us are like, so did you see this? As I

1280
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 5: saw this? What do you think of that?

1281
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 1: For her?

1282
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 4: Just sent me something, Hey, I saw this, and I

1283
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 4: think it's very used.

1284
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 5: It's the worst influences for each other because we sort

1285
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 5: of like get what we need and what we want

1286
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 5: and she'll send it to me and she knows I'm.

1287
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:44,439
Speaker 4: Going to be like good.

1288
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1289
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 5: It's it's lovely. It's lovely that someone gets you that way.

1290
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:53,959
Speaker 5: It's nice to share in that way. Yeah, it's another

1291
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 5: way we can share creatively. Of course, working with my besties,

1292
01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 5: I did, I have to say this, and I say it.

1293
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 5: I never say when you're there because like always talking

1294
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 5: and passing. But boone has to be one of the

1295
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 5: most astute and intelligent performers I've ever privilege of being

1296
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 5: on a set with no no no no no no

1297
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 5: no no no no, I mean it.

1298
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 4: No, I mean it.

1299
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 5: And you know you have to understand, I'm a capron.

1300
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 5: I don't like anybody. I don't say anything to anyone

1301
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 5: unless I mean it. And I really do like your

1302
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 5: ability to pick up on the surroundings and riff on

1303
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 5: what you see is second to none. Is so fucking

1304
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 5: fast it's amazing. It is amazing to what you work.

1305
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 5: Just like picking on the surroundings, on a detail on

1306
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 5: someone's clothing. I'm just like, it's just Some of my

1307
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Speaker 5: favorite moments in the film are things you just say

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Speaker 5: off the car.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, I see color.

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Speaker 1: En roll here often.

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Speaker 4: Anything anything. I mean, Cynthia, thank you so much.

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Speaker 5: I just the details. It's the details. She needs a pastry.

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Speaker 1: And I'm just telling you like I.

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Speaker 3: Was because John God blessed him, like gave me a

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Speaker 3: lot of latitude, let's say, And I was gladly going

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Speaker 3: to do it. But then at the back of my mind,

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Speaker 3: I was always like, this is a bajillion dollar two

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Speaker 3: movies and he's gonna let me ad lib and like

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01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 3: step on Winnie Holtzman's perfect words. I was like, no way,

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Speaker 3: is this gonna make it into the movie. This isn't

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Speaker 3: going to work. And then I will say, and I'm

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Speaker 3: so quick to judge myself and be like, oh no,

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Speaker 3: that that didn't work on a comedy level.

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Speaker 4: Whatever.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, John am Che the director, you are like.

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Speaker 4: It all kind of fits fit it, truly.

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Speaker 3: Somehow he made my nonsense like work in the in

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Speaker 3: the world.

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Speaker 5: Because it wasn't nonsense because it was observation. That is

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Speaker 5: the difference, Cynthia. You know what I'm saying. It's like

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Speaker 5: really detailed observations. Every time something comes out of your mouth,

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Speaker 5: it is an observation, which I love, Like, yes, she

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Speaker 5: needs a pastry, is funny on that, but you're like

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Speaker 5: in the situation, it's like please when a pastry she's

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Speaker 5: you know, it's it's so brilliant.

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Speaker 4: You're just spectacular.

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Speaker 5: I had the best time, and you're so kind as well,

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Speaker 5: so like, thank you makes me so happy.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So this is our sixty second segment. Okay, where

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Speaker 1: we rant and rail against something in culture that I'm

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Speaker 1: bothering us. We're gonna do it, and I understand their pointing,

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Speaker 1: but this is happening. So I have something and it's

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Speaker 1: a musical observation I'm making about the people.

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Speaker 3: Okay, great, Okay, this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think

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01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 3: so many time strets now, I don't think so, honey,

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01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 3: people who don't listen to lyrics and music.

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01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 1: You're a friend of ours just said, huh, what's this

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01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 1: song about? About Sabrina Carpenter's juno. So here's what Sabrina

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01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 1: Carpenter's Juno is about it's about being so into someone

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01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 1: that you would like them to make you Juno. This

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01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 1: is referencing the Elliott Page, the low Cody team up Juno. Yes,

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01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 1: this is about being so sexually interested in someone you

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01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 1: wouldn't mind if you got pregnant.

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Speaker 3: Right, I'm gonna let you make me Juno.

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Speaker 1: You know, I was like, she's even being tongue in

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Speaker 1: cheek after listen to words. If you want to listen

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Speaker 1: to beautiful orchestrations, I think so, honey, But the words

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01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 1: it all comes together. You're gonna just listen to.

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Speaker 8: The tunes of when Cynthia says Alfie, listen to the

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Speaker 8: words you know.

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Speaker 1: The story, especially to Rennicover to Juno, I'm like, this

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Speaker 1: is a lyrical masterpiece. I was like, let's give it

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Speaker 1: it's due. Second, you can't just listen to music, listen

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01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 1: to words, understand, feel, then emote. You can to listen

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01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 1: to words or right words, explore words, be words. And

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01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:55,439
Speaker 1: that's one man I could never say who. A friend

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Speaker 1: of ours was like, what is this song about?

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Speaker 5: I was like, if you? But it's also maybe like

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01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 5: a thing about not knowing references like not.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it was that, but I was like, this movie

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Speaker 1: was famous.

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Speaker 4: It was, it was, it was, it was.

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Speaker 1: It is, okay, all right, So this is Bowen Yang's

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Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, his time starts now.

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Speaker 4: I don't think so, honey.

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Speaker 3: Walker's chips not being available in the United States, Oh

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Speaker 3: it is. It is a British staple. Walkers are not Lais.

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Speaker 5: It's not.

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Speaker 3: They have the same logos, but it's not the same.

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Speaker 3: Different textures, different things. This is different flavors. I need more.

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Speaker 3: Why is there such a weird barrier between British snacks

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01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 3: and American snacks? True, they need to come together where

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01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 3: we basically have the same palettes and the same tastes.

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Speaker 3: I think we would appreciate more of a crossover. I'm

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01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 3: not saying like one should replace the other. I'm saying

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Speaker 3: they can coexist in the same markets, which is the

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Speaker 3: American market, which you know I am biased towards because

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Speaker 3: I happen to live here. So I just think Walkers

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Speaker 3: you can find them in your specialty shops. But I

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Speaker 3: think we need more access to just the wider gamut

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Speaker 3: of Walker's chips and favorite flavors.

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Speaker 4: I'm I love a straight of ready salted.

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01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 3: Yes, salted Walkers. It's simple, but it's good.

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Speaker 4: And the Sultan vinegar is not the same as the

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01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 4: salt vinegar. It's just not. It's just not.

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Speaker 3: And we need we just need seconds. There is I've

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Speaker 3: rendered about persty pigs. They need to be more available

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Speaker 3: as well. And Walker's chips is included.

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Speaker 1: And that's one minute. One of the joys of my

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Speaker 1: life was coming back from London and I was able

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Speaker 1: to gift Bow and his persy pigs because it's his

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01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 1: great distress.

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Speaker 4: My sister got well, now I know whenever I go,

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Speaker 4: I'll pick it up. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, all right, we get it in the out

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Speaker 3: of here synthory. But I don't think so any time

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Speaker 3: starts now.

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Speaker 4: I don't think so.

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Speaker 5: Honey is onion and garlic in everything. I can't take it.

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Speaker 5: I fucking hate it. I can't steal with the idea

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Speaker 5: that the way you cook is only with onion and garlic.

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Speaker 5: Every time I see someone a cooking thing, they cut

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01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 5: up onions and garlic so much and neglect to use

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Speaker 5: any other flavoring in food. As a person who's actually

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Speaker 5: allergic to garlic, and my body just does not process

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Speaker 5: it at all. I've had to find out ways to

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Speaker 5: cook food using other herbs and spices, and it works.

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01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:03,439
Speaker 5: You can get just as much taste out of an

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01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 5: old bay and a bay leaf and an acidphatida, which

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01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 5: is actually tastes a little bit like garlic, but doesn't

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Speaker 5: give you the same horrible feeling that garlic does. If

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Speaker 5: you just use your imagination and cook. I think people

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01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 5: have stopped using your imagination about how they cook, and

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Speaker 5: they use the basic, basic herbs, and they always go

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Speaker 5: for onion garlic, and I cannot take it because the

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Speaker 5: worst thing is when someone comes in and they just

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Speaker 5: reeking of garlic. When you can avoid that and still

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Speaker 5: have flavorful food if you decide.

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Speaker 4: To use your imagination. And that is my minute.

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Speaker 1: Oh oh so, like thank god you're allergic to something

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01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 1: that sucks like it sucks, you smell awful, you feel awful,

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Speaker 1: Different different aromatics, different favor basis.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't understand. And everyone's I the amount of

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01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:52,519
Speaker 4: people who are like, well, how do you eat? What

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Speaker 4: do you mean?

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Speaker 1: Just stunningly talent.

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01:08:57,600 --> 01:08:59,400
Speaker 4: And you know when I walk into a room, you

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Speaker 4: can't smell.

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01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 3: Fas can't clock me.

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01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:04,120
Speaker 1: You can't clock my sen What do you think of ginger?

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01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:05,519
Speaker 1: He did, I don't think money on ginger.

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01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:08,559
Speaker 4: Pickle ginger is better. Thank you. Try pickle ginger. It's

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01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:11,639
Speaker 4: a different flavor. I love it becomes sweeter, become sweeter,

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01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 4: and it's just a nice little.

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01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:16,720
Speaker 1: This has been so it's so amazing to get to

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01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:20,719
Speaker 1: know you and to have you here, and you are Alpha,

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01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 1: bra It's it's and thank god that you are. Thank

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01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 1: you so brilliant. We usually end every episode with a song,

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01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 1: but I just want to if you have two lines

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01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:33,000
Speaker 1: of anything on your spirit right now that you could sing,

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01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 1: what is it to end this episode?

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01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:37,120
Speaker 4: Or it could be one.

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01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 5: This is not to do with anything, but I've been

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01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 5: listening to this lately and it's one of my favorite songs.

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01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:43,879
Speaker 4: Why by Annie Lennox.

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01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:48,919
Speaker 5: Oh I may be mad, I'm maybe blind, I'm maybe viciously,

1457
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 5: I'm kind, but I can still read what you're thinking.

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01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 4: I've heard it said too many times. You'd be better off.

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01:09:56,640 --> 01:10:00,679
Speaker 5: Besides, why can't you see that this book is sinking?

1460
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 5: This boat is sinking this boat.

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01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it is the most beautiful song.

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01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 7: You're a brilliant last culture racist is the production by

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01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 7: Will Ferrell's Big Money Players in the Heart Radio.

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01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 1: Podcasts created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang.

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01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:25,120
Speaker 1: Executive produced by Anna Hasnier and Hans.

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01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 3: Sani, Produced by Beck Ramos, edited mixed by Doug Bamim

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01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:28,760
Speaker 3: and Niklaboord.

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01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:35,439
Speaker 1: And our music is by Henrykbersky. Hey everybody, it's me

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01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 1: Matt Rogers, letting you know. Tickets are on sale now

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Speaker 1: to see me on tour, the Prince of Christmas Tour,

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01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:43,240
Speaker 1: that is, I'm doing my whole album Have You Heard

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01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 1: of Christmas? Plus a lot more with the whole band

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01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 1: all throughout December. Go to www dot Matt Rodgers Official

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Speaker 1: dot com See me in a city near you