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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kick Golf Live

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Speaker 1: right here on Giants dot Com. Lance Meadow, John Schmelk

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Speaker 1: and you at two o one nine nine four five

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Speaker 1: one three. Hashtag Giants Chat on Twitter if you want

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Speaker 1: to talk a little Giants Football will continue our look

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Speaker 1: through the NFL Draft at a couple more schools. Today

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Speaker 1: will be joined by Alex Copper, who is the analyst

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Speaker 1: on Louisville Radio, former NFL offensive lineman who'll be joining

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Speaker 1: us at twelve thirty and in a few minutes worth

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Speaker 1: of Shannon Green from the Orlando Sentinel, and she will

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Speaker 1: discuss some of the University of Central Florida players coming

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Speaker 1: out in the draft. And um, Lance, we're getting closer.

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Speaker 1: We're nine days away from round number one, and still

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Speaker 1: not a whole lot is clear well, And I think

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of rumors that are coming to the

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Speaker 1: forefront by the day. John, I don't think that's necessarily

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Speaker 1: a surprise. Every other day it's Cleveland's taken this player,

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Speaker 1: The Giants are intersident this player, this team may move up.

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Speaker 1: So I think you to hear a lot more of

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Speaker 1: that in the coming days. And this is because it's strategy.

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Speaker 1: Every team wants to think what they're doing is the

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Speaker 1: right thing to do, and they want everybody else to

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Speaker 1: know that. But then all of a sudden, you see

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Speaker 1: the script is gonna flip as we get closer. The

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Speaker 1: Giants were remain a mystery, though no one really seems

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Speaker 1: to have them pegged down. You know, the Browns. Everyone

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Speaker 1: seems to have him down to two guys. The Giants.

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Speaker 1: I don't think anyone would be surprised that they traded

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Speaker 1: the pick. I don't think anyone would be surprised that

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Speaker 1: they took Sam darn Lafe was there. I don't think

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Speaker 1: anyone would be surprised to say, kwon Barkley. I don't

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Speaker 1: think anyone would be surprised that took Bradley Chubb. So

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Speaker 1: still a lot up in the air. And when it

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Speaker 1: comes to the Giants and what they do, which is good,

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Speaker 1: it probably makes their ability to negotiate a trade a

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Speaker 1: little bit easier when nobody knows what their goals are. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it gives them some leverage. And also, as you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: if they choose to keep the pick, which I think

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Speaker 1: they should, you obviously have multiple options that you can

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Speaker 1: choose from at multiple positions at number two, and all

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Speaker 1: of these players in all likelihood would come in year

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Speaker 1: one and have a significant impact. And we'll get to

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Speaker 1: your calls at two O one nine, three, nine four

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Speaker 1: we'll go to our first guest, and that Shannon Green

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Speaker 1: from the Orlando Sentinel covers you see f football. Shannon,

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Speaker 1: I so your last week covering the team, so I

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Speaker 1: figure get one last go here talking about some of

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Speaker 1: the players. You've seen girl a lot, and you see

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Speaker 1: if you've got John Schmulka Lansman on East Brotherford, New Jersey.

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Speaker 1: How are you today? I'm doing great, guys, how are you?

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Speaker 1: We're doing great? Well. Let's start with a number of

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Speaker 1: intriguing prospects Shannon, that Central Florida has. And one of

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Speaker 1: whether or not his sample size is enough that it's

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Speaker 1: going to transfer to the National Football League. And I

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Speaker 1: know he moved around from school to school. What did

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Speaker 1: be highly interested him? At the cornerback position. Well, I

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Speaker 1: didn't get that impression at all that people were concerned

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Speaker 1: Had it not been for his ninety eight year kickoff

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Speaker 1: His special teams play obviously is important to know. To Shannon,

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Speaker 1: nervous about pulling the lobs. They actually arrived. I didn't

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Speaker 1: realize this. Yeah, we did it on Friday show on

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Speaker 1: Giants dot Com and watched the last night to ten

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Speaker 1: of them w very very generous by Charlie, excellent job.

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Speaker 1: And he they were squirming around and stuff. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: so he actually opened it and took him out. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Fures was very nervous that he was going to get

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Speaker 1: everything is in one very nice. That's good to hear.

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to hear you guys opinion on I

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Speaker 1: I know, uh, it'd probably be hard to do it,

437
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Speaker 1: but I was just wondering what you guys thought of it.

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Speaker 1: Where we're coming up to the draft, there are different

439
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Speaker 1: things we can talk about, but uh about I know,

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Speaker 1: I've seen articles about Dez Bryant wanting to stay in

441
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Speaker 1: the NFC East, and I just wonder, do you guys

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Speaker 1: think that would be a good idea to at least

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Speaker 1: try and pursue him. Do you think he could fit

444
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Speaker 1: in our offense? What? What? What do you guys think

445
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Speaker 1: about the des Bryant situation? Do you want me to

446
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Speaker 1: go first that you want to go. Here's the thing

447
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Speaker 1: about des Bryant. I'm gonna take everything on the field

448
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Speaker 1: off the table. Dave Gentleman's tried to bring in a

449
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Speaker 1: certain type of person into this locker room this offseason.

450
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Speaker 1: They solder Jonathan Stewart at like Oval Tree, and all

451
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Speaker 1: you've heard out of the Cowboys camp since they've kind

452
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Speaker 1: of started going down this road with Dez is quite frankly,

453
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Speaker 1: what a pain in the butt he has to deal with.

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Speaker 1: And you know, there seems to be some indications of

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Speaker 1: report that there were a number of players on the

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Speaker 1: team that were simply tired of dealing with him and

457
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Speaker 1: that he was a pain in the butt. So I

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Speaker 1: think that is something that I would be surprised if

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Speaker 1: Dave Gettleman pursued, given the type of people he's been

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Speaker 1: trying to bring into this locker room to set a

461
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Speaker 1: new culture that clearly last year you had some missues

462
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Speaker 1: with all the suspensions and things like that. I'm just

463
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Speaker 1: not sure des and just in terms of locker room

464
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Speaker 1: personality fit wouldn't necessarily make sense. I think that's fair.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the other thing that I'll add is you

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Speaker 1: got Brandon Marshall on the roster right now, and he's

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Speaker 1: six three. So the whole point of bringing in a

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Speaker 1: player like Dez and there's no crime in looking into

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Speaker 1: it and maybe having conversations, but why are you bringing

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Speaker 1: him in if you already have somebody financially solidified on

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Speaker 1: the roster for one more year. And if you're gonna

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Speaker 1: bring in Dez, You're probably gonna do a one year contract.

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Speaker 1: You're not gonna give him a multi year deal. It's

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Speaker 1: gonna be trial by error type of thing. You'll say, hey,

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Speaker 1: prove it type of contract. But Marshall fits that role.

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Speaker 1: He would be the red zone target. He's got the height,

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Speaker 1: and he's on a reasonable contract. I just I don't

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Speaker 1: see why you would need him unless, obviously they decide

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Speaker 1: to move on from Brandon Marshall. But as it appears

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Speaker 1: right now, he's the roster. Okay, that's pretty much only

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Speaker 1: head guys. Thank you very much, Thank you, Jason. Appreciate

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Speaker 1: we can squeeze in one or two more calls, folks,

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Speaker 1: if you want to get in real quick at two,

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Speaker 1: one nine, four, five one three. Um A couple other things.

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Speaker 1: Lands On Dez, I watched a lot of him last year.

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Speaker 1: I even went back after the year and and and

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Speaker 1: looked at the tape of I was actually looking at

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Speaker 1: the tape at Dak Prescott to see kind of where

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Speaker 1: he took a step back from last year, just for

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Speaker 1: informational purposes. And what I saw was ts Bryant had

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Speaker 1: a terrible season. A lot of drums man double digit drops,

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Speaker 1: three or four of which became interceptions that went off

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Speaker 1: his hands and went to defensive players. That one fairness.

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Speaker 1: He also broke up some interceptions on jump balls to

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Speaker 1: the sideline, but his route running was sloppy. He couldn't

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Speaker 1: get any separation over the course of the year. He's

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Speaker 1: on the wrong side of thirty now, he said multiple

498
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Speaker 1: foot fractures. You wonder how much he has left. And

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Speaker 1: now I think the big reason the Cowboys did this, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you clear eight million this year, and they'll use that

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Speaker 1: on their draft class probably and they'll carry whatever is

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Speaker 1: left over the next season. You look at their cap

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Speaker 1: situation next year. Now they have the seventh most projected

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Speaker 1: cap space of any other team in the NFL. It's

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Speaker 1: almost sixties seventy million. And they could use that money

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Speaker 1: to extend Zack Martin, which is priority number one. They

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Speaker 1: can use that money to sign to Marcus Lawrence to

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Speaker 1: a long term contract, and eventually they are gonna have

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Speaker 1: to pay Dak Prescott as well. So those are all

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Speaker 1: things that I think went into this Dez Bryant decision.

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Speaker 1: And I think it also makes it very likely the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys are going to target a wide receiver and round

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Speaker 1: one or two in the draft, and if Ridley is there,

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Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley is on the board at nineteen, I mean,

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Speaker 1: that to me makes a lot of sense. But there's

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Speaker 1: other good wide receivers too. If they wanted to wait

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Speaker 1: till round two. I know they haven't drafted a wide

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Speaker 1: receiver in the first round coincidentally since Dez Bryant in

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Speaker 1: two thousand ten, and Terrence Williams is the second or

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Speaker 1: third round. Williams was later on. I'm not exactly sure

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Speaker 1: which round, but he certainly wasn't a first round there.

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Speaker 1: And now you need to find Dess replacement, and you

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Speaker 1: know you could certainly go in that direction. And they

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Speaker 1: signed Allan Herns. They brought in Alan Hearns, they got

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Speaker 1: Cole Beasley, they got two young guys and Ryan Switzer

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Speaker 1: and know a Brown. You know they have some options. Listen,

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Speaker 1: in this league, the wide receiver positions at portan don't

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Speaker 1: get me wrong, but look at the Jacksonville Jaguars. You

529
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Speaker 1: know they just came off a season with Blake Portals

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Speaker 1: where it wasn't the who's who of wide receivers in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. But you had a good offensive line in

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Speaker 1: a good running game. Hey, you could still find ways

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Speaker 1: to win in this league. So you know, people get

534
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Speaker 1: so enamored with names. I think any team that wants

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Speaker 1: to take a chance on Dez Bryant, it makes sense

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Speaker 1: if you have a void and you need a red

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Speaker 1: zone target and you want to add some veteran experience.

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Speaker 1: But I agree with you from a financial perspective, the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys needed the flexibility. And you know, John you mentioned

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Speaker 1: eventually they gotta pay Doc. They gotta pay Doc after

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Speaker 1: this season. People forget this is gonna be his third

542
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Speaker 1: season in the NFL. He was a late round pick.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't have the fifth year option, right, but he

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Speaker 1: he would have been restricted and you could put the tender.

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Speaker 1: But in all likelihood, you know, you may want for

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Speaker 1: the sake of longevity, you may want to give him

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Speaker 1: the long term deal after this season. So that's another

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Speaker 1: reason why they need some leeway in that department or

549
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Speaker 1: in in Virginia. Let's try to squeeze him in or

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Speaker 1: on what's going on? Hello guy? Um, I'm not like

551
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Speaker 1: the when I'm here and then the Monk drafts and stuff.

552
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Speaker 1: Now what do you do? Um? Now that they want

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Speaker 1: to just go get sake Pon Barkley and what's that

554
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Speaker 1: d N and stuff? Right, I just feel like that's

555
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Speaker 1: just such a bad idea. But what do you want then? Huh?

556
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Speaker 1: What would be the good idea? I feel like we

557
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Speaker 1: should get if Sam Donald I either think we should

558
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Speaker 1: trade out of the pick, or if Sam Donald in

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Speaker 1: the gloom Browns deside to shoes Josh Allen and Sam

560
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Speaker 1: Donald's right there, I feel like we have to take it,

561
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Speaker 1: or and I agree if Sam Donald's there, if I'm

562
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Speaker 1: the guy making the pick, I make the pick. So

563
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Speaker 1: we're on the same page in that respect. Here's the

564
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Speaker 1: problem with trading down right now. Peter King, reporter earlier

565
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Speaker 1: this week. The Broncos are very unlikely to trade up,

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Speaker 1: all right, So then you're looking at having to probably

567
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Speaker 1: go down to twelve with the Bills. If you want

568
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Speaker 1: to trade out of that pick. Are you willing to

569
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Speaker 1: go that far down? Yeah? Because maybe it could be

570
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Speaker 1: maybe we can get a tackle right now, because I

571
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Speaker 1: heard you know, I'm hearing to air from don't even

572
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Speaker 1: show up to volunteer workout vote workouts still, Like you

573
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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Hey, we don't know how he's

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Speaker 1: gonna be. We don't know if he's happy that he's

575
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Speaker 1: not playing lets tackle. So we can have two first

576
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Speaker 1: round picks, three two or three two first round picks

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Speaker 1: and we can get like a tackle or something, you

578
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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, something like that, yeah, but the

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Speaker 1: value has to match this selection. Yeah, understand, Like you

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Speaker 1: don't just take a tackle because you need to tackle

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Speaker 1: the tackles. Got a warrant the first round pick, and

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Speaker 1: at twelve you could pick Mike mcglinchay. I think that's

583
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Speaker 1: the guy that you would reference in that spot. But look,

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Speaker 1: you've got you gotta get more than just those two

585
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Speaker 1: ones to him. If you're trading with Buffalo and you're

586
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Speaker 1: going to twelve and twenty two, you need a second

587
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Speaker 1: round pick this year, their first round pick next year,

588
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Speaker 1: and then you might need something else to sweeten the

589
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Speaker 1: pot even more. So you gotta see if the Bills

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Speaker 1: are even willing to make that trade. Maybe they're willing

591
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Speaker 1: to roll the dice for a year with um A J. Mccaren.

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Speaker 1: Who knows. Honestly, I feel like the Bills are dead

593
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Speaker 1: sprint and I feel like they haven't had a franchise

594
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Speaker 1: quarterback and so long. That's he saw how they Bence

595
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Speaker 1: tyright Taylor now or or on look. You could very

596
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Speaker 1: well be right and that might be the case, but

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Speaker 1: we don't know that for sure. I don't know. I

598
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Speaker 1: don't know if the phone call has been made. I

599
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Speaker 1: don't know what they're offering, and nobody does. Just remember,

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Speaker 1: it's easy to say you have to trade down, and

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Speaker 1: I'm fine with trading down if you get the right

602
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Speaker 1: value for the pick, I'm fine with it. But we

603
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Speaker 1: don't know what offers are on the table, so that's

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Speaker 1: something you have to kind of wait and see. We

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Speaker 1: appreciate the call real fast, okay, um. Also, I like

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Speaker 1: what the call I said about the Dez Brian thing.

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Speaker 1: But then I realized you can't have two him that,

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Speaker 1: you can't have two hyper players like that, and most

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Speaker 1: of the players on the same team, I can see

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Speaker 1: that being a problem. Thank you, ad. I appreciate the call.

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Speaker 1: So I wouldn't get too wrapped up into what happens

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Speaker 1: on the sideline. It's more important what happens on the fields.

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Speaker 1: But again, I'm again, if you have Brandon Marshall, Strong Shepherd,

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Speaker 1: Immigram Odell Beckham Jr. And your Jeff C Kuon Barkley,

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Speaker 1: how the hell are you getting the football? Everybody? Let

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Speaker 1: h please, all right, let's go to our next guest.

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Speaker 1: Alex Cup, per former offensive line in the NFL and

618
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Speaker 1: now he's the radio analyst for Louisville Football alex He

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Speaker 1: got John Schmilk and Lance Meadow up here in East Weatherford,

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Speaker 1: New Jersey. How are you today? I'm doing well, guys.

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Speaker 1: We'll be already doing well up in New Jersey. Oh,

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Speaker 1: we're doing wonderful. Thanks so much for joining us. And

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Speaker 1: let's get to the main attraction here. And it's actually

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Speaker 1: not gonna be Lamar Jackson, because I think JayR Alexander

625
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Speaker 1: actually might be the highest graded player on your team

626
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Speaker 1: coming out in the draft. He ran great at the combine.

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Speaker 1: Where do you think he fits best in the NFL?

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Speaker 1: Ji here? Do you think he's more of a press

629
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Speaker 1: man guy? You think he's better in zone inside outside?

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Speaker 1: Where do you think his scheme fit is in the NFL? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean Jack Yere, I tend to agree with you

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Speaker 1: is and it's crazy, you know, La Markets all the puppets.

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Speaker 1: But jayre Is is a super super talented guy and

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Speaker 1: if if I'm peronally recommending him in a system, it

635
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Speaker 1: would be more of that press man um for how

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Speaker 1: you know, he's not as super tall, long like Richard

637
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Speaker 1: Sherman type guy, but he's got sneaky long arms and

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Speaker 1: he's very very physical. So getting him up on the

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Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. I think he's gonna be multiple, He'll

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Speaker 1: be able to fit in into some zone concepts. But

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Speaker 1: get that pressed man where you can really let him

642
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: get after the receiver. I think that's gonna be his

643
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: best fit. Alex. I know he Oh, I'm sorry. Did

644
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: you have more on that? Did me to catch off? No? No, no, okay,

645
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: go ahead. I was gonna say that two thousand seventeen

646
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: was plagued by some injuries for him, and I know

647
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: that maybe have led to some uneven production. How much

648
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: do you put into his film in two thousand seventeen

649
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: as a result of the injuries. Yeah, that that injury.

650
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: The first game of the year was really freaky against Purdue.

651
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: It was it was a goofy play, um a lot

652
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: or a tip field goal, and the ball was rolling

653
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: down towards the goal line and some goofy demons alignment.

654
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: Um tried to co grab the ball and Joe, you're

655
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: just the sit up and started running with it. But uh, yeah,

656
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: those those those couple of games back Fromentory, he probably

657
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: pushed it a little too early. Um. It's the tape

658
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: towards the end the first part of that pro New game,

659
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: and then I would probably say, um, not n C State,

660
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: but the game after a wait force on maybe UM

661
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: is when you really start seeing jayre take off and

662
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: you know, show how dominant he was in the conference. Um.

663
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: And if you need to see any take just pull

664
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: up Clemson last year or two years ago with the

665
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: Shawn Watson. I mean, is anybody that can man up

666
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: Mike Williams like that? I know Mike Williams have a

667
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: great first year in the pros. I mean he is

668
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: a dude. He'll be able to stop some big time players.

669
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: How about his contribution on special teams? Big time punt

670
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: return or is he someone that can make a difference

671
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: as a return man on the next level? Oh? Absolutely,

672
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: I mean he his ball skills were ivan sneaky, sneaky good.

673
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: Um as a cornerback, they were thinking about moving him

674
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,959
Speaker 1: over to wide receiver temporarily when they had some injury

675
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: issues several years back. But yeah, I think I think

676
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: he'll definitely be able to return punts for sure. UM

677
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: never really got him consistently back their kids field and kickoffs,

678
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: but punt return, I think it'll be Uh, He'll definitely

679
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: get a shot there. You ventually in terms of his

680
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: coverage skills that you pointed to what he did against

681
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: Mike Williams, but you know, playing corner at the next level,

682
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: it's also important to aid and run support. What was

683
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: he like in terms of helping and stopping the run

684
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: at How aggressive is he to take on that? You know,

685
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: he's very smart, so he he understands he's not gonna

686
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: be able to go blow up a running back. So

687
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: you know you got you you had some of those

688
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: funds are running back slip out of the backfield and

689
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: see state um with Hines and he knows how to

690
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: go low on him and really get him down to

691
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: the ground and he flies up the attacks the line

692
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: of scrimmage. If you if you ever see a cornerback timid,

693
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:47,719
Speaker 1: I know you guys have seen some of those in

694
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: your past be really timid on going to attack the

695
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,479
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. That's probably not a good thing. He

696
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: really gets after it and tries to get the ball

697
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: kailler carrier either turned back to the rest of the

698
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: defense or down on the ground, and he was pretty

699
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: successful doing that. What are you hearing about where you

700
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: think he might go in the draft? Can you think

701
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: he's going to sneak into that second half around one,

702
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: I think, so, I mean it went going into it

703
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: and I didn't really have a great feel. I'm not

704
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: a draft expert by any means on what the what

705
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: the cornerback draft class was gonna look like. But after

706
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: the combine and you know, seeing some of his tape

707
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: lined up with some of the other guys, it's yeah,

708
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: he could definitely find himself in that fifteen eighteen range

709
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: um and you know, that's that's a great that would

710
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: be a great spot form. I think, I know Lamar

711
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: Jackson is the guy that we want to talk to,

712
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: but I just want to stay on the secondary side

713
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: of things before we jumped to the offensive side into

714
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: Another one that's interesting is the safety Chucky Williams. You know,

715
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: where do you see his upside given what he's produced

716
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: at the collegiate level. Yeah, Chuck, Chucky is the guy.

717
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: So whenever you look at look at dudes that are

718
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: probably going to be later in the draft, potential uh

719
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: unsigned free agent guys. He's a haven't played a ton

720
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: of special teams and he's a great tackler, very physical

721
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: as well. Cover skills are okay, but when you talk

722
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: about trying to make a roster like I was a

723
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: part of unfortunately was alignment. So I'm gonna play special teams.

724
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: But um has had some a ton of run on

725
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: kickoff returns and kickoffs, So having that comfortability with that,

726
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: Chucky Williams wise is really going to give him an

727
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: advantage over some guys on trying to make a roster.

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Speaker 1: We're drawn by Alex cupa radio analyst Louisville Football. Well,

729
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: let's jump to Lamar Lamar Jackson here, and I think

730
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: there's just so much misinformation out there about him. He

731
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: has his strength, he has his weaknesses. He's not a

732
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: perfect prospect band he means. But I think the one

733
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: thing that people seem to miss, Alex is that Baya

734
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: Petrino has a decent amount of pro passing concepts in

735
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: his system. Where he's reading layers of defenses. He's you know,

736
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: doing progression and read. He's reading both sides of the field.

737
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: I don't think his transition to understanding NFL offenses is

738
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: going to be quite as tough as a lot of

739
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: people think, because he was asked to some pretty advanced

740
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: stuff in Louisville. Right. Oh, definitely, you know, Bobby Bobby

741
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,479
Speaker 1: likes to incorporate a lot of a lot of two

742
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: man concepts. UM work work a man side in his

743
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 1: own south so you can see that actually as Lamar's progressed.

744
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: He works his feet, you know what, he he sees

745
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: what the defense gives them pre pre snap, and then

746
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: he works with side um afterwards that he sees favorable.

747
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: So there, Yeah, there's a ton of um primary and

748
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: secondary reads that he gets to. UM. It's just you know,

749
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: in the NFL, it moves so much faster, so being

750
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: able the fact or if there's a question out there

751
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: if the kid is going to be coachable, just look

752
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: at the last three years. I mean he he went

753
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: into the Global program not even knowing what a playbook

754
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: was to being able to diagnose and break down defenses

755
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: and just produce, produce produced. So UM, I think if

756
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: he gets in a scheme where people bring him under

757
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: his wing and really teach him how you know the

758
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: next step of football. With NFL, it's all football, so

759
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: you you die knows all kinds of things from a

760
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: quarterbacks position, and you need to know what every single

761
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 1: defender is showing you and what they're gonna do. Uh.

762
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: Post snaps so there's a lot of information that's gonna

763
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: have to be gathered, but he's a kid that's gonna

764
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 1: want to take it all in. So I'm I'm very encouraged,

765
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: and I think an NFL team will be as well well.

766
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,720
Speaker 1: And whenever you fall into the umbrella of a mobile quarterback, Alex,

767
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 1: everybody wonders, how's your durability going to hold up? And

768
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: how's your decision making gonna hold up? Because they think

769
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: of the r G three's and some of the other

770
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: guys that have been so banged up during the course

771
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: of their careers. How disciplined Diz he in terms of

772
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: knowing when to take a slide, when to run out

773
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: of play, Given the fact that he has the ability

774
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 1: to really extend plays and get those game changing type

775
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: of plays. Yeah, I mean that's that that is that

776
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 1: would be you know, if their's top question marks, that's

777
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: gonna be one that has to be drilled home to

778
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: him just knowing. I mean watching him produced at Louisville,

779
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: he he was based once he got side of the

780
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: pocket or there was a design, he was a running back. Essentially,

781
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: he was a quarterback, but during that late and he

782
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: ran like a running back, he lowered his shoulders. He

783
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: he wanted to get every single yard possible. That's not

784
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: gonna fly in the NFL, just from knowing how you

785
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: know how hard the hits are and how frequent they

786
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: could be. So I think he'll be able to learn

787
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: after the first couple of times when he gets popped

788
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: a little bit, it's like, you know what I need.

789
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: I need to conserve my energy, to conserve my my

790
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: my body a little bit, and try and take some

791
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: slides and if if there's an avenue to get out

792
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: of bound, to get out of bound. So I mean

793
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: it's it's a little easier seven done because he's such

794
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: a competitor. But I think those first couple of times

795
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: so he'll learn his lesson, you know, Alex. And one

796
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: thing about his throwing that maybe concern this too too

797
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: strong of a war, but has me maybe thinking twice

798
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: a little bit. He doesn't really seem to like drive

799
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: his throws with his legs. He is, he kind of

800
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: flips the ball a little bit, but he gets the

801
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: ball down the field. He has good arm strength. But

802
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: I wonder if you know, they don't really add send

803
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: to throw outside the numbers and the numbers much on

804
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: like outgoing routes, and I wonder if that has to

805
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: do with the fact that he doesn't really drive with

806
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: his legs much and he kind of just kind of

807
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: flips the ball at his arm. What do you think

808
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: about that? Yeah, I mean he has an armed talent

809
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: where he can do so so he can get away

810
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 1: with it. I'm with you. There's some things, there's some

811
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: things that he can clean up from a footwork, and

812
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: at his pro day, I really noticed it. Um, just

813
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: cleaning up that three to five steps, snapping back and

814
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: be able to drive off those. You can tell us

815
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: a focus for him what I'm trying to say, But yeah,

816
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: I know it's he's been able to get away with

817
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,479
Speaker 1: things and sometimes yeah, I mean, you know Brett Brett

818
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: Farve would and Aaron Rodgers makes throws off a one

819
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 1: leg and you know, if you have the arm talent,

820
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: it's just that's good for you. But um, being able

821
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 1: to deliver an accurate ball is I think what I've

822
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: been told is what he's been trying to work on

823
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: on the outside. The numbers, those those outgoing fifteen yard

824
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: oh he's or whatever. So he's I know, that's a

825
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: focus for him and he knows that's what he's got

826
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 1: to clean up. But yeah, he he can click it

827
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: and it can go. It can go pretty far. There's

828
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: been a lot of comparisons to Michael Vick because of

829
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 1: the way he sort of flips his wrist as he throws.

830
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 1: And then there's also been some comparisons to DeShawn Watson

831
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 1: Alex based on how he's able to overcome some of

832
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: those mental mistakes and you know, put a bad play

833
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: behind him and then all of a sudden, Wow, you

834
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: know how realistic are those comparisons? And you know, if

835
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: you had to go with either of those quarterbacks, who

836
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: do you think he's most similar to? You know, I

837
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: think I think he's more of a Michael Vick. You know,

838
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson super I mean why watching that game in

839
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,399
Speaker 1: it was boat race seven down the field and um

840
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 1: just getting a first hand look at Watson. The dude

841
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: can just spend it and running this in his primary

842
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: but if if it had to be done, he would

843
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: run the football. But it can really operate an offense

844
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: very efficiently. Lamar, Lamar's that that explosive. You know, I'm

845
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 1: I'm looking for a home run type of hit. So

846
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: he needs he is more of a Michael Vick right now,

847
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: but he needs to work himself to more of it.

848
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: To Shaun Watson for that longevity aspect, like you all

849
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: mentioned it. Yes, the home run maybe with your legs,

850
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 1: but you're gonna play a lot longer and you're gonna

851
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: be more successful if you dish the ball out to

852
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 1: people and get let them do the running and gunn it. So, um,

853
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 1: I would say that it's more of a Michael Vick

854
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: right now, just because you know, when you when there's

855
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: a decision that needs to be made and the team

856
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: needs to first down Lamar if he if he doesn't

857
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: see anything open, he's gonna run it, and um Deshaun

858
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: watsons a little more the electics in plays and get

859
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: the ball downfield as receivers. So if that, I would

860
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: say it's more of a Michael Vick at this point. Yeah, Bex,

861
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: I agree. I think Lamar maybe sometimes a little bit

862
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: too quick to run out of that pocket even when

863
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: there wasn't a ton of pressure. I think, you know

864
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 1: he has the legs want to use him, but like

865
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: you said in the NFL, that could get dicey final

866
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 1: them from me on Jackson. Have you heard of any

867
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: team showing particular interest in him? I know there was

868
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 1: you know, some talk about whether or not he's tough

869
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: to get in touch with it, the way he's you know,

870
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: doing his representation and things of that nature. I think

871
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,399
Speaker 1: he could be a top fifteen picked away quarterbacks Ago

872
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 1: quick Lee in this draft. What are you hearing about?

873
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: What teams might be have their uh fishing stick in

874
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: the old pond looking for Lamar Jackson? Sure you know, um,

875
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: really the one that's hot heavy, which it caught a

876
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: lot of Twitter interests. I guess if that is a barometer,

877
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: even us would be the would be the Patriots and

878
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: uh and it makes I mean, I think it's a team,

879
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: you know, Uh, the Steelers would be smart to take

880
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: a look at them. These teams that have quarterbacks that

881
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: are within the you know, they're they're tread on their

882
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: tires is three to four years, um, something where you

883
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 1: can bring them in two or three years and let

884
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: them really learn from a great quarterback. That makes sense

885
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: to me. Um. But if there's if there's a team

886
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 1: out there that's willing to go after him and want

887
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: him to be the guy, it would be in that

888
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: top twenty Top twenty selection. I I'm on the belief

889
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: that it will be at the end of the first

890
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: round early second the team that's willing to coach him

891
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: along and really bring them along to the NFL level.

892
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 1: You know, we talked so much about the because it

893
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: Owes and how he conducts himself on the field. I'm

894
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 1: curious since you've been around him, I mean, what is

895
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,760
Speaker 1: his personality like? And you know, how does he command

896
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 1: the huddle? And you think he'll gell with future NFL teammates. Yeah, No,

897
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: off the field, just personally interacting with him briefly and

898
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: team hotels and whatnot. Very very calm and composed guy. Um.

899
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: Not never too loud. You know, he's not the loud one.

900
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 1: You know, he's smurry, he jokes with his teammates and whatnot,

901
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: but he's never too vibrant and you you kind of

902
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: almost miss him if you're not looking for him. Kind

903
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: of guys. So that's that's really what you're looking for.

904
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: And now that's what NFL teams you're looking for. They

905
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: don't need the lout now, they need a guy that's

906
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: going to show up and work every day. So um,

907
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: from everything that we've noticed that I've noticed in the

908
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: past three years. That's that's all. But he's done. He's

909
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 1: been a professional. So um. As for conduct himself in

910
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: the huddle, it's that's the one thing, just knowing how

911
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: the NFL works. The hardest part for a kid or

912
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: a quarterback that was fed signals through college is getting

913
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 1: into that huddle, looking at the other ten players and

914
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: spitting out a paragraph along where the work. So um,

915
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: those those are things that he's got to get used to.

916
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: But um, I've seen quarterbacks developed that and that's pretty easy.

917
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: Once you do repetition wise and practice, it gets pretty easy.

918
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: So um, No, I think he's going to be a

919
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: professional on and off the field. We'll just see what

920
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: teams ready to go after with him. I want to

921
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: jump to the guy that was protecting Lamar Jackson's blindside,

922
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: Jaren Christian, And I've seen him all over the place

923
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: and some of these mock drafts, some people have him

924
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: as around to pick some people have him as around

925
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: five pick. Um, what did you see from him in

926
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 1: your time at Louisville? And obviously you understand what it

927
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: takes to play line in college and then go do

928
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: it at the NFL level. Uh, where do you think

929
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: he's gonna land and what do you think his prospects

930
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 1: are trying to translate his skill set to the pros. No,

931
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 1: it's uh, you know, it's one of those things where

932
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: he is a guy leaving early. Um, not with a

933
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: ton of high regard, you know, all conferences that and

934
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 1: taking home all American accolades. But he's a guy that's

935
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 1: super super talented, has everything it takes to play at

936
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: the next level. Um. As for being able to pick

937
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 1: up on an offensive system, um, just like we've said

938
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 1: about Lamar there there's a ton of pro aspects into

939
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: Bobby Petrino's offensive playbooks. So, um, he should be comfortable

940
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: with schemes and you know how terminology works. But when

941
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: it comes from all the tools, I mean, I've seen guy.

942
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: He has way more talent than I did. Uh ever

943
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 1: coming out of college, just just his sheer size and

944
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: how long he is. Um. And he's been able to

945
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: snap the ball, so he's going to be versatile. Um. Well,

946
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: so we'll see. I think if I had to engauge

947
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: it, it it will be somewhere in the middle. I think

948
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 1: if he I think Jared goes in the third round.

949
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: That would be that'd be a really good Um, he

950
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 1: would have made a really good decision for himself and

951
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: you know, hope to hope the best for him, Alex

952
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: I was reading he played basketball in high school. I

953
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 1: mean that's really what his background was. And I think

954
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: he attended like three different high schools, so it seems

955
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 1: as if he's very raw. It doesn't have a whole

956
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 1: lot of variance playing football. And then whenever you think

957
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,439
Speaker 1: of somebody that is a background in basketball, you're worried about, well,

958
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: do they have enough leverage when they play because they're

959
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: so taller, they're so big. You know, do you see

960
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: that as an issue in terms of his leverage and

961
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: his size and how that may come back to bite

962
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: him perhaps at the NFL level. Yeah, I mean there

963
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: was times where you you you would see in the

964
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: run game at least um, he'd be a little too tall,

965
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: you know, he would fire off the ball and somebody

966
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: would get inside of him and you know, have that

967
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: leverage like you're speaking to. But I saw him sink

968
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 1: his hips several times on on bull rushes, which is

969
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: you know, from a tackles perspective, that's that's the hardest

970
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: thing to block when you have, you know, the ten

971
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: million dollar guy across the way that's kind a full

972
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: head of steam machia. Um that you know, that's one

973
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: of the hardest things to do from alignment perspective. So

974
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: he should be able to use his technique and his

975
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: flexibility to be able to anchor on people so that

976
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be too worried about that. I mean, he's

977
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: it's just it's technical up and he's got all the

978
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: tools to get it done. So it's it's getting in

979
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: the right system, um, getting coached up. You know, there's

980
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: I told him that. You know, there's thirty two off

981
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: into line coaches that are top notch and know everything

982
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: about football. So you just gotta get in there, work

983
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,760
Speaker 1: your butt off and learn learn from the best. Last

984
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 1: one for me on Christian and then we're gonna touch

985
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: on the couple of defensive lineman or edge rushers you

986
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: have coming out, Um technically and I'll let you go

987
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: full out old line technical play and all that stuff.

988
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: What fundamental does he have to work on that those

989
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: physical traits you talked about, Alex do translate to the NFL. Yeah,

990
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 1: I mean I think it all comes down to your

991
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: your hand placement with him. Um, you know he'd get

992
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: a little wise sometimes. And you see guys that are

993
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,720
Speaker 1: in my personal experience seeing guys um that are too strong.

994
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: You know they're they're too strong their own good. Basically

995
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: I was I was the guy that had to have

996
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: perfect technique to be able to exe few blocks. But um,

997
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 1: having tire hands in the past and run game, it

998
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 1: just goes one. It does so much for you from

999
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,399
Speaker 1: your game perspective. You can really own defensive alignment if

1000
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 1: you get that tight hand placement. So that would that

1001
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: would be my full on old line coaching up ability

1002
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: for drawing well. John alluded to a few of the

1003
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: defensive lineman and you know one guy who I think

1004
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 1: stands out in terms of his physicality, But the question

1005
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 1: is his medicals. Is Trayvon Young? What do you make

1006
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 1: of him health wise? And has he proven enough since

1007
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 1: battling all these injuries that you think a team would

1008
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: take a chance on him. Yeah, I mean it was

1009
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: it was a good thing for Trayvon to be able

1010
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 1: to tend the combine so that he could clear. I

1011
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: mean that that's like you said that, that's every NFL

1012
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: team's issue with him is that you know, hip displacement

1013
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: and had to you know, there's probably a ton of

1014
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: scar tissue still. Look over and you can see him

1015
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: in the first part of games. You really saw him

1016
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: get off the football and really you know, pop the

1017
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: offensive a lignment and get a good edge rush going.

1018
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 1: And he as the game went on, you could see

1019
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,879
Speaker 1: him kind of wear down or attempt he backed off

1020
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 1: of it a little bit. So I think it's just

1021
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: more and more he settles in and more football he plays.

1022
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: Because you could you could tell he was cautious about it,

1023
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,879
Speaker 1: uh in the early parts of the season and didn't

1024
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: really want to push it too hard. So once he

1025
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 1: gets more confidence and um, you know, NFL teams are

1026
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,399
Speaker 1: comfortable with him playing back where he was a couple

1027
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: of years ago. I think it'll be a good fit.

1028
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: And he's super physical, has long long arms, is able

1029
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 1: to set the edge um and did so very effectively

1030
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: for Louisville. Finally, James Hearns he was a big time prospect.

1031
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: I know he had some injuries early in his Louisville career,

1032
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 1: then he had some off the field stuff in his

1033
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: final year. But if you look at the games he

1034
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: played and his tackles for losses, sackses, force fumbles. He

1035
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: was just a playmaker for you guys. Next year, how

1036
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: do you project him to the next level. So you know,

1037
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: James and Trayvon for that matter, have to um, they're

1038
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: they're going to be the under sized Stevens events. So

1039
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: those guys, as you all know, those are special teams guys.

1040
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: So if you're talking late round free agent picks, um,

1041
00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: they they're gonna have to be able to play special

1042
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 1: teams in that's the one thing you know Hearns didn't

1043
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: do a lot of He was very effective and U

1044
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: was a sneaky good pass rusher. He was able to

1045
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: get around a lot of guys and be very productive.

1046
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: So I think he'll shock some people um in camp

1047
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: what with his pass rushing ability. But it's it's that

1048
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: next phase because you you already most teams already have

1049
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: their edge rushers, so you're gonna be able to have

1050
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: to stand out some other way. And with James Intravan,

1051
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: it's going to have to be on that special team.

1052
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: So covering kickoffs, you know, blocking, blocking for punts and

1053
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: all those things. That's those are things that are skills

1054
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: that they still have to develop, so we'll just see. Um,

1055
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: you know that that's and that's all about attitude and

1056
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: want to So those two guys, I'm sure aware of that,

1057
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 1: and that's um what they're going to be tasked with

1058
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: in their first couple of years, Alex. Last one for me.

1059
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: You mentioned you know they may be under size, so

1060
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: therefore they're gonna have to learn how to play special teams.

1061
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: I'm just curious four three versus three four for young

1062
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 1: and hearns. Is there an ideal fit for the two

1063
00:48:55,800 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: of them versus one teams? Yeah? No, I think that

1064
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: I think that it would be, um, you know, both

1065
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: of them probably in a three four Trayvon might be

1066
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: able to get away with that nine technique on a

1067
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: four three going towards the tight end side. Um, but

1068
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: you know, seting edge against those big linemen consistently, that's

1069
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: that's gonna be a tough, tall pass. So I would

1070
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: say both of them in a three four they would

1071
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:27,240
Speaker 1: be more comfortable and more app to be successful. Alex,

1072
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: great stuff. We appreciate the time, Thanks so much, and

1073
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 1: we'll catch up with you another time. Right, thanks a lot, Alex. Right,

1074
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: we'll check here Alex copper One right off offensive Lineman

1075
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 1: Louisville radio analysts, good job giving us a low down

1076
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 1: on some of the prospects coming out of Louisville. We

1077
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: got seven minutes or so left in the show. We

1078
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: have time to squeeze in a couple of calls, and

1079
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 1: we're gonna go to Lance's favorite caller next. Wonder feeling

1080
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: about we talked about And I'm gladly talking over this

1081
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: intro because not too fond that this intro. And I

1082
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: think we're wasting air time. So that's why I'm not

1083
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: going to lose out on the airtime that we're wasting. Fairness,

1084
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: I think you're talking is probably more of a waste

1085
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: of air time. That's fine, but I think I think

1086
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: that to me is a very close second. What's up? Yes,

1087
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: Hey John, Hey, Lass, Hey, let's look at it this way.

1088
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,399
Speaker 1: That's less time I have to talk, that's true. Yeah,

1089
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: but you know you find a way to make up

1090
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 1: for it anyway, because I know we're gonna get to

1091
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 1: seventy five million different things that you're gonna have to

1092
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: throw your two centses. You don't want Devil get started,

1093
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: you don't want Dez Bryant, do you, Charlie, No, I

1094
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: got three things that's about Dez Okay, No, I mean

1095
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 1: I would, I would be fine. I'm just looking. I'm

1096
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: just looking at Marshall's Marshall's thirty four years old. He's

1097
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: got a bub ankle, which he hasn't he hasn't been

1098
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: cleared yet. Um. You get Dez Bryan who's twenty nine. Um,

1099
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: and maybe Dez is O'Dell would Actually, you know, they

1100
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:56,359
Speaker 1: could scream to each other and you know, hype each

1101
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,919
Speaker 1: other up and in that way, you know, they kind

1102
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: of set off each other, but they're not gonna be

1103
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: bothering the coaches or there are other players. You know

1104
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It might, it might meil them out.

1105
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,879
Speaker 1: It might. You might be a good negative for both

1106
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 1: of them. They have someone that they can go after

1107
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 1: with each other and hype each other up. I'm not sure.

1108
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if the double negative concept works quite

1109
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: as well and in the NFL locker room as it

1110
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 1: does in multiplication, Charlie. But well, and here's another thing, Charlie.

1111
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: You brought up Marshall's age and the fact that he

1112
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,280
Speaker 1: was hurt for the majority of the season. That's fine,

1113
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: and Deser is a little bit younger. But des Is

1114
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,240
Speaker 1: also missed ten games combined in the last three seasons,

1115
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,359
Speaker 1: so when you take that into consideration, despite Desert's youth,

1116
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: he also plagued by the injury bug. No, that's true.

1117
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I'm just saying, if you're gonna

1118
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: keep Marshall, I would rather bring dozens because I think

1119
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: he'd be less money. Marshall's like, I disagree. I think

1120
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: des would command more money. No, he said, he's you know,

1121
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: he's saying he would love to play for the Giants,

1122
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: and I think he'd go cheap. This is what I

1123
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: do well. But keep keep in mind, just keep just

1124
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 1: keep this in mind. Charlie des made twelve and a

1125
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,399
Speaker 1: half million dollars. That's what he was set to make

1126
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 1: this season. That was his base salary. His cap hit

1127
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: was sixteen and a half million. So when you talk

1128
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,280
Speaker 1: about a player that says he wants to go somewhere,

1129
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: it's nice to say. It's another thing when you get

1130
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 1: to the negotiating table and you're gonna go from twelve

1131
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: and a half millions and now to three million. I

1132
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: find that very difficult to believe because I think there's

1133
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 1: a team out there that could utilize his services, that

1134
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: could probably meet him in the six to maybe eight ballpark.

1135
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 1: And I wouldn't be surprised if somebody offers him that. Yeah,

1136
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: I mean that's true. But does he really want to

1137
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:30,919
Speaker 1: go to Green Bay and freeze his butt off up there?

1138
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, I can take up a lot

1139
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: worse things to do than have Aaron Rodgers throw me

1140
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: the football. But leave it to Charlie to make a

1141
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: negative connotation about that, but I would this is what

1142
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 1: I do. I'd give him three point five and I've

1143
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: give him some incentives if if he's on the field

1144
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 1: and we beat Dallas two games, he gets a million

1145
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: dollars each game, all right, Mr capologist? Incentive in terms

1146
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:56,240
Speaker 1: of you beating an opposing team twice? I mean literally,

1147
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 1: has that ever happened? I would love Charlie. Charlie is

1148
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: gonna find a way that had happened, even if it

1149
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: never happened. But if this is amazing the things he

1150
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: makes up. Second incentive, he would love it, Charlie. To

1151
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: the second thing. My second thing is Griffin. I don't

1152
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: think Griffin is gonna be around to the fourth and

1153
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 1: fifth round. I think this guy is a football player,

1154
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 1: and somebody's going to realize that, and they're gonna pick

1155
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: this guy. Probably end of the second, top of the third,

1156
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: he's gonna be gone. I'd be really surprised if he

1157
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: went in the bottom of the second, Charlie, I could

1158
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: see late third. I think there's a chance he's there

1159
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 1: at the top of the fourth round. I agree. I

1160
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 1: think fifth round you might be pushing your luck. Yeah,

1161
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: And the other one thing is, Tampa Bay just lost

1162
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: their left tackle. For God's sake, gentlemen, call him up,

1163
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: give him Eric Flowers. We'll take a seventh round pick

1164
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: for him. Let's let's let's move on, get rid of him,

1165
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 1: and he can join JPT in Tampa Bay. How's it

1166
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 1: got hurt? I missed that. Well, here's the other thing.

1167
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: Why would you eric Flowers for a seventh round pick?

1168
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:03,479
Speaker 1: Why you might as well keep Eric Flowers for that, Charlie, Well,

1169
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: what a fifth round? Grade a sixth round? But I'm

1170
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: saying this guy is he's not He's not shown up,

1171
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 1: and I know it's not mandatory, but the guy is upset.

1172
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: He lost his left tackle. Edition now he he doesn't

1173
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,800
Speaker 1: even get the right tackle edition. He has to actually

1174
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: earn it and compete. The Golden Child's never had to

1175
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 1: do that. And he's also they haven't picked up his

1176
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: options fit to your options. Also, his best friend got

1177
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 1: cut from the team, Bobby Hart. So you add all

1178
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,280
Speaker 1: those things up, and then he thinks, because he worked

1179
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 1: out last year at the at the Center for the

1180
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: whole offseason, and he's saying, I look, I did all that,

1181
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 1: and you guys are taking my child. Let me ask

1182
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 1: you a question. Let's let him go. First of all,

1183
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 1: he has a lot to prove and he's going to

1184
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: have to show that once training camp starts and again

1185
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: on the field and they actually can start competing. But

1186
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,359
Speaker 1: the way you talk about him is if he's had

1187
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: a private conversation with Eric Flowers and Eric is laid

1188
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: out all of his emotions and it's links just to Charlie.

1189
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. I didn't know Charlie had an

1190
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 1: exclusive interview with everything you talked to his agent. Well,

1191
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 1: actually you were happening Lance when he was here two

1192
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: weeks ago, when he was in the middle of the

1193
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 1: Gentleman Odell negotiations. You knew exactly what was going on there.

1194
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,479
Speaker 1: Then he stopped by and he talked, there are Flowers agent,

1195
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: and then he had a conversation with him as well.

1196
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: I mean, Charlie, what's what happened? What happens with Mr Flowers?

1197
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 1: I'm just saying there's an opportunity to uh release him,

1198
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: get rid of him. Uh. He was never part of

1199
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,839
Speaker 1: the old line. He never liked being around the guys. Uh,

1200
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: that type of stuff we heard about that. I mean,

1201
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 1: come on, I mean it's time to pull on from him.

1202
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 1: I mean, that's Charlie. Here's the thing. I wouldn't look

1203
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 1: if that happened at some point? Would it shock me

1204
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: flow me away? No? But I think, much like to

1205
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 1: do with Elie Apple, I think this front office wants

1206
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 1: to try to give as many of these guys a clean,

1207
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: clean slate and give them the chance to earn their

1208
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 1: way onto the field. Here's the thing. Though they did

1209
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: not draft Derek Flowers, they are not going to give

1210
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 1: him any preferential treatment. If he's not good enough to play,

1211
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: he ain't gonna play. And I'm with you guys, both

1212
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: of you, in terms of that philosophy. But why would

1213
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: you part ways with talent? Now? No? But also when

1214
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 1: you're trying to compete, and you're trying to foster competition

1215
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 1: for starting jobs talent. But regardless, but Charlie, Charlie, regardless

1216
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: of what you think of the player, you're in the

1217
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 1: ninety man roster phase right now. Why are you in

1218
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,240
Speaker 1: a hurry to get rid of players? If you're ultimately

1219
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 1: going to get rid of a guy, you wait to

1220
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: see how the competition plays out, and when you make

1221
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 1: final cuts, that's when you do it. I just think

1222
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 1: it's a completely unnecessary move at this point. Thank you, Charlie. Okay, okay, here,

1223
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 1: you gotta go, all right, Charlie. By the way, if

1224
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 1: they do trade them for a seventh round pick, then

1225
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 1: people like Dave Dominic and I have to be here

1226
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: an extra three or three hours, two hours, Dave on

1227
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: on the Saturday of the draft. This way, we're out

1228
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: after the second page of round. In additional, get the

1229
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: press conference done by two five, We out of the building,

1230
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: go enjoy the weather a little bit. And that'll be

1231
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 1: one selfish way to look at it. Oh, that's an

1232
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: extremely selfish but I'm quite okay with that. There's also

1233
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: no guarantees that if we go with Charlie's hypothetical, and

1234
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: we've clearly wasted too much time on his hypothetical. But

1235
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 1: who's to say that you're getting a draft pick this year,

1236
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 1: they get a draft pick next year even if you

1237
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: move him too, so you wouldn't even have to worry

1238
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: about rushing out of the building. I think the draft

1239
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: would stay as is if they wind up pulling off

1240
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: a trade and they get a draft pick for next year.

1241
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: So I don't think you complain about that either. Good stuff,

1242
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: but obviously the goal is always get you out of

1243
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 1: the building in a very quick time frame. Of course, yes,

1244
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: talent gets taken care of first and the football talent

1245
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 1: this second. So okay with that. I didn't think that

1246
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 1: you were going to disagree with those centiments, so just kidding. Obviously,

1247
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:42,919
Speaker 1: I brought it up for a Lands about off Josh Folk.

1248
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 1: That's big kick off Live tomorrow. It to me and

1249
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: Da Tino. We have Iowa and Florida State still trying

1250
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 1: to nail down those guests for tomorrow and then on

1251
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: Thursday's Lands and Fiagals, Dave Gentman's press commons will be

1252
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 1: after the show, so they'll kind of preview that press conference.

1253
00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 1: And uh, I think you've got three schools coming up

1254
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 1: on Thursday, right, Yes, we'll have Florida, Stanford, and Oregon.

1255
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: So that'll be our final three schools. And then on Friday,

1256
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: Big Time show Me and Detino back on Charles Davis

1257
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 1: NFL Network, Sam monson Pro Football Focus. Make sure you

1258
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 1: tune into that for Lance Medal on John Schmelt and

1259
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 1: that's Big Blue Kick Off Live for this Tuesday. Thank

1260
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 1: you avery much for joining us. We'll see you tomorrow

1261
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 1: on giants dot com. Everybody, have a wonderful day, have

1262
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: a good one.