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Speaker 1: Scable Advice, Spice's Welcome to the Not Even Nice Show.

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Speaker 1: I had trouble getting my hello side. Then I hiccup

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Speaker 1: to the middle. I know Donny's laughing. I hiccuped to

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Speaker 1: the middle of by bellows and I could edit it out,

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Speaker 1: but now we're going to leave it in and I'll

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Speaker 1: start all over again. Hello, Hello, Hello there. Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 1: At this point we've known each other for so long,

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Speaker 1: we do not have to cover up the warts, or

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Speaker 1: the mistakes or anything else. Let me introduce you to

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Speaker 1: someone who certainly is not a mistake. Neither is he Award.

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Speaker 1: It's our friend Donny Mitcham Mello, Donnie, how are you?

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Speaker 1: Maybe a little bit of a cold sword, but not Award.

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Speaker 1: I go away and then I just we love having

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Speaker 1: you with as we do, particularly because Wednesday is a

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Speaker 1: fall of gossip, and there's nobody would rather gossip with

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Speaker 1: than you. Have. You always liked to gossip. Don't when

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Speaker 1: you were little because people don't realize this, I mean

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Speaker 1: not to get we're not that seriously, but as a

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Speaker 1: gay person, you learned to gossip a little bit for me,

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Speaker 1: because it's how you stay popular, how you give people

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Speaker 1: to not make fun of you because you know about

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Speaker 1: the GOP. It was your survival It's your survival skill.

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Speaker 1: I think everybody's information or their gossip kept you out

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Speaker 1: of trouble. You weren't beat up because you were the

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Speaker 1: person who knew the secrets. Yes, I love gossip in

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Speaker 1: I've reunited with a friend of mine, Leslie, from Edinburgh.

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Speaker 1: I went to school in Edinburgh. I've not been there

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Speaker 1: in thirty years, almost thirty years, and Leslie's coming to

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Speaker 1: New York this weekend and reached out to me on

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Speaker 1: social media and caught my attention. I didn't her last

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Speaker 1: name has changed on social media. When you see guys

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Speaker 1: and with girls it's more difficult because the name changes.

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Speaker 1: So at first I didn't quite understand who this Leslie was,

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Speaker 1: and it took me a minute and then I was like, ah,

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Speaker 1: I adored her. At university, we were in the Amateur

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Speaker 1: Dramatic Society together and Leslie was a dancer. I thought

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Speaker 1: But in the truth of the Manadonni. I wasn't really

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Speaker 1: hang out together, sleep on her couch, go to her apartment.

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Speaker 1: I'd eat her food out of her fringe. And finally,

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Speaker 1: after thirty years, Donna, I'm going to get to say

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Speaker 1: thank you this Friday. That is the beauty of social media.

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Speaker 1: It's these people. You haven't talked to him forever. You

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Speaker 1: can to be like Helloalla, Hello, hella la alo, do

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Speaker 1: it today somebody that you've not spoken to in a

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Speaker 1: long time from your past, somebody that you really miss

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Speaker 1: I didn't even know I missed Leslie until she I

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Speaker 1: was got into with me because I don't. I don't

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Speaker 1: look back that often. I look forward. I'm a very

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Speaker 1: forward looking person. And that's not to say I didn't

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Speaker 1: adore her. I don't adore her. Just thirty years. That's

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Speaker 1: a long time to not be on somebody's radar. Now

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Speaker 1: I am excited like a child. It's like Christmas days

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Speaker 1: On Monday Show, I'll tell you all about it. I

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Speaker 1: hope I still like her, hope she's the likes I know.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I've changed that much. She reminded me

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Speaker 1: was like, it's so interesting that you've done this for

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Speaker 1: a living, because you did this for free at university

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Speaker 1: thirty years ago. Hey, let's jump in to the show.

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Speaker 1: What time is it, my friends? It is to eatime.

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Speaker 1: Megan Markle, the Duchess of Sussex, has signed off her

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Speaker 1: final podcast of at least this season with a very

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Speaker 1: pointed quote. She said the following. This is her sign

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Speaker 1: off quote, what didn't you do to bury me? Wow?

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Speaker 1: That's a really deep quote. What didn't you do to

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Speaker 1: bury me? So so many people have tried to quote

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Speaker 1: bury Megan Markle? What didn't you do? What didn't you

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Speaker 1: do to bury me? She's saying, did you not join

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Speaker 1: on there when people said horrible things? What didn't you do? Now?

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Speaker 1: The quote comes from a Greek poet, of course, dins

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Speaker 1: Christina Populos. I love that nama and this is a

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Speaker 1: quote that people in philosophy. No, I must admit I've

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Speaker 1: Megan at the end of her series after interviewing dozens

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Speaker 1: so much about herself while doing the podcast. She concluded

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Speaker 1: by saying, quote, I feel seeing that I had never

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Speaker 1: considered that using my voice that would make me feel seen.

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Speaker 1: You think of seeing with your eyes, don't you? Not

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Speaker 1: and to that point in my friend, She's going to

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Speaker 1: keep growing and growing and growing. What do you think, Oh,

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Speaker 1: I agree with this. This is Megan was trying to

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Speaker 1: real person, that she's not just this stuck up woman

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Speaker 1: people I think changed their opinion about her. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: say no, But the people who liked her like her more.

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Speaker 1: The people who didn't like her, I think didn't don't

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Speaker 1: I think that's what's so important about what she's doing.

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Speaker 1: What she's done. Hey, this podcast was not to make

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Speaker 1: you like her. This podcast was to reveal who she

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Speaker 1: really is. And I think this is such an important

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Speaker 1: lesson in life, certainly in the world of reporting gossip.

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Speaker 1: Tell your own story. If you're not going to tell

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Speaker 1: to follow this advice. Tell your story. If something happens

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Speaker 1: every single day, make sure you're the one that's telling

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Speaker 1: on your behalf. I tell my own story, the good,

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Speaker 1: time it felt like Megan didn't feel like she could

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Speaker 1: Instead of doing that, be you. And if you shine

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Speaker 1: Don't change who you are. And I think that's what

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Speaker 1: on reality, it's based on who she is. She had

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Speaker 1: Up to that moment, it was all women on the show,

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Speaker 1: and she said, this is so interesting. She said she

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Speaker 1: tried to get booked on Watch What Happens Live when

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Speaker 1: you can you imagine still holding onto this grudge, like

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Speaker 1: This is the biggest blunder in the thirteen years of

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Speaker 1: somebody else's crap, somebody else's drama With my whole life,

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Speaker 1: I'm being judged for every single thing that I do.

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Speaker 1: question of the day. Mega Markle has signed off her

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Speaker 1: final podcast with a very pointed, very philosophical vote. Will

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Speaker 1: And once it's taken away, you're going to find somebody else.

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Speaker 1: hear your results. Hey Dnnie Love, what are you working on? Well?

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Speaker 1: Jennifer Lopez twenty years later, is getting real about her

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Speaker 1: and she says, twenty years ago, I fell in love

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Speaker 1: a happy ending. That is so sweet Because we all

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Speaker 1: I wrote the break up a statement. I was Jlo's

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Speaker 1: was distraught, absolutely distraught. This is a very truthful, truthful statement.

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Speaker 1: want to say Hi, Leslie. She might listen to this podcast,

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Speaker 1: see you look better. Robbia. Well, I'm getting meet in

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