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Speaker 1: Welcome to Securing America with me, Frank Afney the problem

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Speaker 1: that's a kind of owner's manual for protecting the country

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Speaker 1: we love against all enemies foreign and domestic, to the

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Speaker 1: glory of God and his Kingdom. We're going to be

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Speaker 1: talking about one of the most important developments, I believe,

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Speaker 1: of the Trump two point zero administration, which is the

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Speaker 1: work that it is about under the rubric of making

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Speaker 1: America healthy again, not just great, but healthy again. MAHA.

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Speaker 1: This is something that was a project before the Trump

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Speaker 1: team embraced it. Of Robert F. Kennedy Junior, now the

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Speaker 1: Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services, and

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Speaker 1: a man who as we speak, we're taping this beforehand,

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Speaker 1: but we speak about him addressing the UN General Assembly

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Speaker 1: in that capacity as a leader of MAHA, I think

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Speaker 1: as well as of course an official of the United

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Speaker 1: with us a man who has worked closely with RFK

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Speaker 1: Junior over the years, as well as in many other capacities,

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Speaker 1: distinguished himself as one of our pre eminent medical practitioners

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Speaker 1: as well as an inventor, an author, including of two

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Speaker 1: important books. Lies My government told me and cy war,

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Speaker 1: which is all about enforcing a new world order. This

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Speaker 1: would be of course, doctor Robert Malone, a personal friend

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Speaker 1: as well as a mentor on so many of these topics,

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Speaker 1: and a man who is these days one of the

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Speaker 1: relatively newly appointed members of the Advisory Committee on Immunization

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Speaker 1: Practice also known as asip it's acronym, a somewhat controversial

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Speaker 1: that is and where the truth lies, as we always.

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Speaker 2: Look to.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Malone to provide. Welcome back, my friend. It's good

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Speaker 1: to have you with us.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Frank, and once again thanks for that overly generous introduction.

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Speaker 3: Let's get into it. So MAHA is absolutely going global today,

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Speaker 3: officially with Bobby addressing the UN General Assembly, and I

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Speaker 3: have been asked, together with others, to address the European

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Speaker 3: I think we you know, who doesn't want their kids

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Speaker 3: to live longer, healthier lives. This is not a partisan issue.

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Speaker 3: This isn't left or right, This is fundamentals. As the

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Speaker 3: President said, I talk about a lot of common sense

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Speaker 3: the President. I mean there was a number of them

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Speaker 3: but this one he said, this will be as important

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Speaker 3: as any single thing I've done. Wow, he is all

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Speaker 3: He wants to be identified as the person who took

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Speaker 3: on chronic disease in the United States. And he is

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Speaker 1: It's so exciting to watch because it wasn't always that way,

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Speaker 1: I don't think. I mean maybe in his heart of hearts,

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Speaker 1: many things I want to address with you, doctor Malum,

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Speaker 1: including sort of the institutional role you're playing right now.

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Speaker 1: But another example of what I consider to be a

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Speaker 1: real breakthrough with President Trump was his post on truth

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Speaker 3: Sir, Well, I'm not with the mar A Lago set,

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Speaker 3: the president should get the Nobel Prize for Operation Warp Speed. Now,

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Speaker 3: But that was the play. So it was transparently an

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Speaker 1: Just step back just a correct, you said, Senator Kennedy.

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Speaker 3: I make that flip from time to time. It's fright,

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Speaker 3: It's easy to make Secretary of kendidate was in the

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Speaker 3: hearing with the various senators, and but here's my point.

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Speaker 3: Operation Warp Speed demonstrated that the president was able to

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Speaker 3: Now whether or not the work product that came out

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Speaker 3: more reveals about that consequent to the hearings and Google's statement,

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Speaker 3: they again demonstrate that the president is increasingly comfortable and

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and I want to give him credit too

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Speaker 1: But he deserves credit for you know, adjusting course to

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Speaker 1: Don't you think very quickly.

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Speaker 3: That narrative that Trump was in the pocket basically of

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Speaker 3: It turns out that was a false narrative.

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Speaker 1: Hold that thought, sir, we will be right back with

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Speaker 1: is doctor Robert Malone. Prais the Lord. We are so

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Speaker 1: pleased to have him with us, the author of lies

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Speaker 1: on Immunization Practices. Robert, we were talking about the President

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Speaker 1: this ASIP as it's known, we're being told that it's

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Speaker 1: truth lies on all of that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Henny Penny was right in the sky is falling

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Speaker 1: We are all going to die. I think she got

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Speaker 3: You can all agree on that. The panel. The problem

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Speaker 3: For ASIP and the subcommittees with industry advocates and representatives

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Speaker 1: That's the Federal Advisory Committee Act FAKKA pardon, Federal Advisory

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Speaker 3: Just to dely so, ACIP is a FACA committee uh

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Speaker 1: Oh, let alone, people who have you know, financial interests

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Speaker 3: Well, defamation is a strong word. It's it's another false

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Speaker 3: Blumenthal was quite clear on that point about me in particular,

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Speaker 3: but so many things have happened. Ron Johnson gave me

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Speaker 3: an opportunity to respond to Senator Blumenthal's defamatory statements. As

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Speaker 3: you know, Frank, senators are immune to liability from defamation,

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Speaker 3: whatever the defamation was. And Senator Johnson enabled me with that.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes you don't get that. But just quickly, Robert, we're

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Speaker 1: but you're the you know, the charges that you might

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Speaker 3: What's happened is that there's been a culture of almost

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Speaker 3: and in within primary care, and that this involves the

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Speaker 3: treatment of vaccines as somehow sacrificing vaccines are just another drug,

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Speaker 3: and like all drugs, they have risks and benefits, and

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Speaker 3: Do the benefits exceed the risks? And in a culture

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Speaker 3: There's been an obsession with advancing vaccines, supported by various

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Speaker 3: Yet, in twenty fifteen we had the company marketing tail

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Speaker 3: What happens is that it depletes glutathione in the liver

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Speaker 1: Jim is extraordinarily important well observer and analyst of what

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Speaker 2: My friend.

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Speaker 1: So the question of the day, Jim, you're following closely

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Speaker 2: Frank, I think there's been a lot of.

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Speaker 4: go hot. We've also talked about the number of Chinese

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Speaker 4: nationals has come across the border. They will be involved

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Speaker 4: in any kind of conflict destroying our rare area. So

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Speaker 4: we need to do more. So when I say jack boot,

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Speaker 4: I would like to see it a lot more active.

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Speaker 4: We still have a big presence in the Pacific, but

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Speaker 4: there's more that we should be doing.

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Speaker 1: Amen, Captain, to know we need to take a short

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Speaker 1: break when we come back. I want to pick up

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Speaker 1: on particularly that maritime domain piece that you're talking about,

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Speaker 1: how the Chinese build up is well jeopardizing our maritime

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Speaker 1: presence and capabilities. We right back, folks, stay tuned. We're back,

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Speaker 1: and so is I'm very pleased to say Captain James Fanel,

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Speaker 1: United States Navy retired, a very distinguished naval officer and

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Speaker 1: now one of the pre eminent experts on the threat

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Speaker 1: we face from the Chinese Communist Party, in particularly it's military.

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Speaker 1: In the private arena, Captain, you have been warning for

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Speaker 1: well many years about a decade of concern in which

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Speaker 1: we find ourselves at the moment. You've also been calling

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Speaker 1: attention to various aspects of the Chinese military build up.

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Speaker 1: It's been described as the greatest in world history of

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Speaker 1: particular concern, given particularly your previous incarnation, is of course

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Speaker 1: what it's doing in the maritime arena. If you could

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Speaker 1: give us a kind of an update and well net

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Speaker 1: assessment of how we fare compared to the Chinese modernization

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Speaker 1: program and build out of their naval power at the moment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Frank, this topic is of a really current and

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Speaker 2: very important relevance given what happened on Monday, the twenty

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Speaker 2: second of September, when the Chinese social media and then

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Speaker 2: Chinese State media released images and video of their third

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Speaker 2: aircraft carrier, the Fujian, which was conducting its ninth set

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Speaker 2: of sea trials in the South China Sea, and the

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Speaker 2: video release showed that the Chinese tested three different types

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Speaker 2: of aircraft off the Fujian, the J thirty five fifth

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Speaker 2: generation stealth fighter J fifteen T, a trainer that's an

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Speaker 2: upgraded of the kind of J fifteens that they have

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Speaker 2: on their first two carriers, another fighter jet aircraft, and

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Speaker 2: then finally a fixed wing airborne early warning aircraft, the

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Speaker 2: KG six, which is like our e to Charlie Hawkeye

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Speaker 2: that we have on our aircraft, carries almost a carbon copy.

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Speaker 2: So they flight tested those three and you could say, well,

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Speaker 2: so what is just more flight testing, But in this

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Speaker 2: case it was the flight testing using the Chinese version

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Speaker 2: of electromagnetic aircraft.

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Speaker 4: Launch and recovery system. We have produced that on board

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Speaker 4: our USS Gerald R Ford, which is now over a

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Speaker 4: decade into construction, development and fielding, and we have yet ourselves,

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Speaker 4: the United States Navy, been able to launch our fifth

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Speaker 4: generation stealth fighter, the F thirty five Lightning two. So

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Speaker 4: the Chinese have actually surpassed us now in a carrer

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Speaker 4: aviation milestone by successfully launching and recovering this J thirty

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Speaker 4: five fifth generation stealth fighter using electromagnetic aircraft launch and

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Speaker 4: recovery system. They went from ski jump ramps in the

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Speaker 4: first two carriers to now using this electromagnetic system. They

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Speaker 4: never used steeing catapults, so they are now demonstrating the

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Speaker 4: capability that we don't have. And just this morning I

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Speaker 4: just saw they're doing another area where they're demonstrating the

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Speaker 4: capability operationally where they have detected two extra large unmanned

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Speaker 4: underwater vehicles off of the shores of Taiwan, two of

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Speaker 4: these from the PLA Navy. So that's an area that

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Speaker 4: we've been working in since I was in the Pentagon

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Speaker 4: back in twenty eleven, and they're now fielding or at

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Speaker 4: least operationally testing this kind of unmanned technology underwater, large

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Speaker 4: scale underwater.

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Speaker 1: What could those be used for?

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Speaker 2: Keptan around Taiwan.

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Speaker 4: There's a whole list of those could be used for

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Speaker 4: lane mines to any port in Taiwan and a blockade.

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Speaker 4: They certainly could be used to shoot Taiwan and US

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Speaker 4: Navy warships that are operating around the area. They're unmanned,

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Speaker 4: so they can stay at duration much longer, and they're

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Speaker 4: much quieter. So they're an advanced technology that the Chinese

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Speaker 4: are fielding and we're just you know, we could talk

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Speaker 4: about so many programs where.

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Speaker 2: We are being outclassed by the Chinese.

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Speaker 4: And it's it's a it's a As you know from

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Speaker 4: being in the Pentagon, there's always this tension between folks

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Speaker 4: in the intelligence community like I was my career, that

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Speaker 4: are always warning about the technology, technological advances of their

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Speaker 4: adversaries and then being the the the operator, the person

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Speaker 4: that has to operate our current inventory of tank ships, warplanes,

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Speaker 4: and other military technology. And no commander, no into Pacific

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Speaker 4: commander wants to go on TV and say, hey, we're

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Speaker 4: being outclassed. No president wants to say that because it

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Speaker 4: gives adversary and advantage. But that still does not be

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Speaker 4: lie the fact that we are in a very serious

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Speaker 4: situation and we keep telling ourselves that we're okay, and

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Speaker 4: we're not, and this should be an inflection point for America.

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Speaker 4: I noticed it was not reported to get reported in

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Speaker 4: a couple of outlets. I think CNACN had a web

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Speaker 4: page on it, but there really was no major attention

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Speaker 4: across this land of America about what happened on Monday

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Speaker 4: with China. The fact that they were able to put

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Speaker 4: a stealth fighter into the air off of an aircraft

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Speaker 4: carrier with an electromatic magnetic system and oh, by the way,

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Speaker 4: today's Chinese presst And oh, by the way, this carrier

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Speaker 4: is going to be declared operational really soon. I expect

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Speaker 4: it'll be on one October, which is the anadversary of

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Speaker 4: the establishment of the People's Republic of China in nineteen

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Speaker 4: forty nine. So we are watching China advance rapidly through

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Speaker 4: this decade of concern, and they're building carriers, they're building missiles,

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Speaker 4: they're building fighters and bombers, and stealth fighters, stealth bombers.

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Speaker 4: They're advancing in every realm of military warfare, political warfare,

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Speaker 4: cognitive warfare, economic warfare, and we are not recognizing the

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Speaker 4: threat for what it is.

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Speaker 2: And this is alarming to me.

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Speaker 4: We've got internal threats in America, no question about it,

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Speaker 4: but these threats from the external from China are not

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Speaker 4: going to sit in a vacuum and just stay on

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Speaker 4: their side of the Pacific.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, there's no doubt about that, Jim. Just a

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Speaker 1: quick question before we have to take another break, Jim,

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Speaker 1: as I understand it, the Ford is actually at sea now,

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Speaker 1: is it not? Is it not the commissioned yet?

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Speaker 2: Yes, USS Gerald R.

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Speaker 4: Ford is at c and it is launching aircraft, but

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Speaker 4: only FAA teams and other aircraft, but not our self fighter,

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Speaker 4: the F thirty five.

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Speaker 1: And it's using it's electromagnetic propulsion catapult propulsion system for

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Speaker 1: that purpose the fat.

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Speaker 4: Yes, but obviously we're having problems with it. We've had

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Speaker 4: extensive problems with getting the forward to see and getting

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Speaker 4: that system and the whole carrier operational decades behind timeline

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Speaker 4: and cost overruns.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been a huge problem. I note, Jim, we

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Speaker 1: have to take a short break, as I said, when

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Speaker 1: we come back, I just want to tease that out

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Speaker 1: a little bit further, because, as you mentioned, Chinese seem

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Speaker 1: to have done a lot of carbon copying of our platforms,

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Speaker 1: including the two see I think you said, how is

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Speaker 1: it there getting it more right than we are when

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Speaker 1: we're doing their research and development for them? That morph

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Speaker 1: with Captain Finel on the other side of the short break,

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Speaker 1: Stay tuned, We're back, so is Captain James Fanel, United

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Speaker 1: States Navy, retired, the co author of Embracing Communist China,

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Speaker 1: America's Greatest Strategic Failure. Captain Fanel, I just wanted to

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Speaker 1: pick up on a point you made in the previous

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Speaker 1: block about I think it was the Navy's airborne early

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Speaker 1: warning platform known as the E two C Hawkeye, and

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Speaker 1: that the Chinese have a board their carriers what you called,

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Speaker 1: I think a near carbon copy. That's actually not an exaggeration.

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Speaker 1: Is it the way in which an awful lot of

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Speaker 1: equipment in the Chinese military has come to be Is

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Speaker 1: it appears ripping off our intellectual property and more or

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Speaker 1: less replicating it. I'd ask you about that, especially in

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Speaker 1: the context of them seemingly have made improvements on some

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Speaker 1: of that technology, notably this electromagnetic catapult on the aircraft

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Speaker 1: carrier that they've been preparing for commissioning and that we've

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Speaker 1: put out to see with its imperfections apparently the Ford.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Frank, it is not an exaggeration to say that

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Speaker 4: the KG six and the two Charlie Hawkeye are carbon copies.

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Speaker 4: We have dozens of examples of platforms that the Chinese

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Speaker 4: have made that are clearly from our technology. And like

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Speaker 4: I said in the previous block, they skipped one hundred

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Speaker 4: and essentially one hundred years of US Navy research and

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Speaker 4: development at sea that was paid for in blood, sweat

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Speaker 4: and tears with steam catapults. You know, when I served,

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Speaker 4: many many friends and people died testing and basically learning

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Speaker 4: about how to operate at sea on aircraft carriers. And

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Speaker 4: they've learned from that. They've taken that, and what they're

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Speaker 4: doing now is they're using their advanced you know, numbers

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Speaker 4: of people in their research and development to actually go

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Speaker 4: beyond that, as we've seen with this J thirty five,

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Speaker 4: and it's something that we need to recognize. You know,

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Speaker 4: the number of students that we have from China in

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Speaker 4: the United States is a direct there's a correlation there.

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Speaker 4: There's a correlation over the last two decades of how

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Speaker 4: many Chinese students were in our STEM programs that were

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Speaker 4: able to learn and get this technology parts of it,

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Speaker 4: not all of it, and they weren't all spies. But

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Speaker 4: you build it and you put it together, they go

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Speaker 4: back home and they report on different aspects, different key components,

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Speaker 4: and all of a sudden you have what we see

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Speaker 4: out operating in the South China Sea right now. And

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Speaker 4: so I think this is something that we need to

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Speaker 4: pay attention to a lot lot more well, Jim.

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Speaker 1: That whole issue of Chinese students in our universities, by

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Speaker 1: some estimates something like two hundred and seventy thousand of them,

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Speaker 1: is a problem just in its own right in terms

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Speaker 1: of their subservience to Chinese law that requires them to

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Speaker 1: do whatever they're told to do on behalf of the

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Speaker 1: motherland by the Chinese Communist Party, which can be espionage,

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Speaker 1: which could be sabotage, it could be subversion, it could

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Speaker 1: be who knows, assassinations. But what you're also talking about STEM,

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Speaker 1: of course, is the acronym that sends for Science, Technology, Engineering, mathematics.

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Speaker 1: They're not coming here to study, you know, American literature.

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Speaker 1: They're here to get hard sciences which have direct relevance,

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Speaker 1: of course to various military applications. And this is something

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Speaker 1: that it does seem to me we ought to be

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Speaker 1: bringing to a screeching halt at the earliest possible moment.

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Speaker 1: But let me turn to another aspect of what Jijingpang

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Speaker 1: is up to, Jim, that not so much the kinetic

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Speaker 1: kind of warfare, but it is definitely political warfare. He's

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Speaker 1: announced it, as you mentioned earlier, as his Global Governance Initiative,

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Speaker 1: and it's much in evidence that the UN this week

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Speaker 1: and next, I guess, in connection with the annual UN

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Speaker 1: General Assembly meetings, talk a little bit about this agenda

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Speaker 1: of G's and what it means for not only reordering

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Speaker 1: the world to the benefit of the Chinese Communist Party,

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Speaker 1: but what it would mean for us if they succeed

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Speaker 1: in doing it.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Frank, the Global Governance Initiative was rolled out by

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Speaker 4: G a few weeks ago in preparation clearly for this

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Speaker 4: United Nations General Assembly meeting that's going on this week

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Speaker 4: in New York. This is the fourth of four initiatives

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Speaker 4: that he has put out global initiatives. One was the

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Speaker 4: Global Development Initiative, which was early on in his tenure.

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Speaker 4: Then there it was the Global Security Initiative, focused on

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Speaker 4: military affairs. Then there was the Global Civilization Initiative, which

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Speaker 4: is a catch all, I think for having everybody come

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Speaker 4: and bend towards this idea that there's this five thousand

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Speaker 4: years of Chinese history and they're the ones that understand

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Speaker 4: history and civilization and we should all be like them.

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Speaker 4: And then finally you have this global governance and this

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Speaker 4: is being touted. It was in the pages of the

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Speaker 4: Chinese media today again explaining that you know, after eighty

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Speaker 4: years since the end of World War Two and the

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Speaker 4: post World War two order that was created, that things

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Speaker 4: have changed, and the world's dangerous and there's threats everywhere,

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Speaker 4: and there's people that are unilateralists, and they're getting away

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Speaker 4: from the concepts of multilateralism, and so therefore it's time

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Speaker 4: for a new vision, which is the Global Governance Initiative

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Speaker 4: put forward by the Chinese Communist Party.

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Speaker 2: And they don't say that last part.

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Speaker 4: They just say the new initiative put forward by the PRC,

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Speaker 4: and they're selling that the United Nations, and as we

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Speaker 4: saw on display with President Trump's being besmirched and disrespected

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Speaker 4: at the UN, there's a lot of people in the

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Speaker 4: UN that buy into what the Chinese are selling, especially

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Speaker 4: as the Chinese talk about this underrepresentation by the Global South,

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Speaker 4: which is ironic when you look at where the outflows

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Speaker 4: of the United Nations funding go, It almost all goes

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Speaker 4: to the Global South. Yet China promotes in their propaganda

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Speaker 4: that oh, we're doing this on behalf of the Global South.

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Speaker 4: So it's a political maneuver to realign the international order

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Speaker 4: behind China, and they're doing it with the Belton Road,

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Speaker 4: they're doing it with trying to go after a dedollarization

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Speaker 4: and replacing it with their currency and things of that nature.

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Speaker 4: So it's a full scale funnel attack from the Chinese

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Speaker 4: Communist Party to say we want to run the world,

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Speaker 4: and we're going to do it, and we've got a

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Speaker 4: way to do it. We're going to do it in

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Speaker 4: side the UN, and we're going to sell it with

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Speaker 4: you know, roses and pedals and make everybody.

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Speaker 2: Feel like it's a Kumbaya moment.

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Speaker 4: But what they're really selling is is subjugation to the

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Speaker 4: Chinese Communist Party.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, global governance as I'm fund of calling it with

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Speaker 1: Chinese characteristics, meaning essentially the world run as you've indicated, Jim,

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Speaker 1: by the CCP, and to the detriment of well our

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Speaker 1: sovereignty obviously, but I would argue ultimately our constitutional republic

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Speaker 1: as well. It's incompatible with the idea that unrepresentative, unaccountable

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Speaker 1: bureaucrats elites are going to make our laws or otherwise

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Speaker 1: tell us what to do. But that's the plan under

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Speaker 1: Chinese Communist Party misrule. Jim Deanel, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for your time today. Come back to us again soon

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Speaker 1: if you would, with more, I have the rest of

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Speaker 1: you do the same next time. Until then, go forth

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Speaker 1: and multiply the