1 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. 2 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 2: Now here's a dad that never missed a day's work. 3 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 2: He reminds me so much of my father, who never 4 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 2: missed a day of work at the railroad. Even sometimes 5 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 2: he would go when he was having chest pains. He 6 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 2: was a heart patient. Mister Twalde worked seven days a 7 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 2: week helping his children advance. He never missed going to 8 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 2: work because he wanted to help them move forward with 9 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 2: school and have a better life seven days a week. 10 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 2: This after he has heart surgery. They beg him to 11 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 2: stay home, but no, he did not want to miss 12 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 2: work and he didn't. So why is it that this 13 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 2: man working at the store, the Mini mark, the grocery 14 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 2: right around the corner, minding his own business, is beaten 15 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 2: so badly in the head trying to stop a shoplifter 16 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 2: that he is beaten into a brain coma, and then 17 00:01:51,200 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 2: mister Taldy dies. Why the killer the shoplifter is on 18 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 2: the loose. He's on the run and I want him 19 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 2: behind bars. When will it stop? You know, we see 20 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 2: those pictures on our iPads and our iPhones or on 21 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 2: TV of people a group of guys and hoodies. You 22 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 2: can't make out their face they run into some high 23 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 2: end store like Nordstrums or Sacks, and they're such idiots. 24 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 2: They're actually pulling the items that are chained to the tables, 25 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:46,239 Speaker 2: the display tables. The tables are being pulled along with them. 26 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 2: They take thousands and thousands of dollars of fancy pocketbooks 27 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 2: and clothing, designer clothing, whatever they can get their hands on. 28 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 2: But now this father is dead. It's not just grabbing 29 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 2: some overpriced pocketbook that some rich socialite or Kim Kardashian 30 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:18,679 Speaker 2: isn't going to buy. They have actually killed someone that 31 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:26,839 Speaker 2: tried to stop them from stealing beer. I don't know 32 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 2: how long this is going to be allowed. We read 33 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 2: about it every week. An employee at home depot, an 34 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 2: employee here, an employee there. I've tacked and killed by 35 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 2: a shoplifter. I means he grace. This is crime stories. 36 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us here at Foxination in 37 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 2: serious XEM one eleven. You may think in your mind, well, 38 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 2: I don't know John Twalde, I don't know his children. 39 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 2: What is that to me? That happened? For are far away, 40 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 2: of course in San Francisco again, But next time it 41 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 2: may be your grandfather, your uncle, your father. This is 42 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 2: happening all over the country. Why why is it being allowed? 43 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 2: If we don't do something about it, If we don't 44 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 2: speak out, who will speak out when it happens to us? 45 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 2: Listen to our forends. At kpi X at. 46 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 3: The Richmond Market, cards and flowers have been left for him. 47 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 3: Residents in the area know him as John. A note 48 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 3: outside the store reads, praying for your full recovery and justice, John, 49 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 3: we love you and Nancy. Nancy is known as John's cat. 50 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 3: She hangs out inside the store. Customers know both of them. 51 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 2: We live a. 52 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 4: Block away right, so to be able to come up here, 53 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 4: play with a super fw cat, get an ice cream cone, 54 00:04:59,040 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 4: and talk to him. 55 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 2: He was always very friendly. When I heard that, it 56 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 2: immediately reminded me of when I had left the District 57 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 2: Attorney's office after ten years prosecuting in Inner City Atlanta 58 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,799 Speaker 2: and took a job on a lark in New York City. 59 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 2: I need nobody at all to go co anchor with 60 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 2: Johnny Cochrane, god rest of Soul, and I made two friends. 61 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 2: Their names were Candy and Lollipop. They were two cats 62 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 2: that lived down the street in a candy store. The 63 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 2: first people that I met in the first Creatures I 64 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 2: met in New York, and this man, the deceased, the victim, 65 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 2: Johannes to Walde, took care of Nancy and they became 66 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 2: basically a legend in their neighborhood. Listened to k TVU. 67 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 5: The attack happened at this corner market on Balboa and 68 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 5: forty first Avenue. The family tells me they want the 69 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,799 Speaker 5: suspect caught before he harmed someone else. 70 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 2: I just want to wait down a week, but I 71 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 2: want justice. The family of Johanns. 72 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 5: To Welde isn't shocked that he's in a coma at 73 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 5: Suckerberg San Francisco General Hospital. They say he suffered a 74 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 5: brain injury while trying to stop a theft suspect who 75 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 5: attacked him while he was working at a neighborhood market. 76 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 2: He had been working at this market for years and 77 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:32,359 Speaker 2: years again, seven days a week. You hear the daughter crying, 78 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 2: I just want my dad to wake up. I just 79 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 2: want my dad to wake up. I remember thinking that 80 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 2: same thing before my dad passed away. I just want 81 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 2: him to wake up. He did not wake up. Listen 82 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 2: to Josn Moran. 83 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 3: Miran Tualde says her father, Johannes, was working at the 84 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 3: Richmond Market when a man tried to steal water. She 85 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 3: says he let him go, but then he tried stealing 86 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 3: beer too. That's when and Johannes tried stopping him. San 87 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 3: Francisco police say they arrived at around nine thirty pm 88 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 3: and located a sixty year old male victim lying on 89 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 3: the ground unconscious. 90 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 2: Heard something going on. 91 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 6: She came called a woe who was there holding his 92 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 6: hand old time until he got to the. 93 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 2: Hospital and more from kri. 94 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 7: N Towalde, who friends called John, was beaten by a 95 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 7: suspect during a robbery. 96 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 8: Thief came in and stole something from the store. 97 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 9: John let him go, but the thief came back ten 98 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 9: fifteen minutes later. 99 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 2: John decided that enough was. 100 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 7: Enough Toaldi grabbed a baseball bat to defend himself while 101 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 7: attempting to stop a second theft. San Francisco police say 102 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 7: the suspect assaulted Towalde, knocked him to the ground, took 103 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 7: the bat away, and hit him with it, leaving him unconscious. 104 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 2: Wow the way they say that, that's certainly the airbrushed version. 105 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 2: He assaulted him. He beat the sixty year old store manager, 106 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 2: the clerk in the head with a baseball bat. He 107 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 2: went into a coma and now he's dead. With me 108 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 2: an all star panel to make sense of what we 109 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 2: know right now. But first I want to go to 110 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 2: a special guest joining us doctor Othan Menna, forensic pathologist, 111 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 2: medical examiner in southern California. This is your neck of 112 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 2: the wood, doctor Manna, Doctor Mena, I'm just a JD. 113 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 2: You're the MD. Why would he go into a coma 114 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 2: as they have said it a brain coma, but it's 115 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 2: a coma and die? How does that happen? 116 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 10: Well, there are several possibilities. First, he may have been 117 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 10: injured when falling to the ground and then is subsequently 118 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,959 Speaker 10: struck in the head and that can be another source 119 00:08:55,000 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 10: of injury. So basically, when one examines these folks from 120 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:04,719 Speaker 10: outside in, there could be skull fractures, They could be 121 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 10: bleeding around the brain. There are different layers where that 122 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,079 Speaker 10: can happen. Or they can be direct trauma to the brain, 123 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 10: such as a bruising or contusion, or more severely, injury 124 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 10: to the neurons or the cells that within the brain. 125 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:24,719 Speaker 2: What is bleeding to the brain, well, that. 126 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 10: Can be a direct result from a skull fracture, meaning 127 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 10: that a vessel can tear when as a result of 128 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 10: the bone fracturing. But what can also happen is even 129 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 10: without a fracture, a small veins around the brain can 130 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 10: tear just from falling and striking one's head or from 131 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 10: being hit in the head, and those little veins can 132 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 10: produce bleeding that can then push on it, push on 133 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 10: the brain, and that can lead then to a mass 134 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 10: forming a he with tooma, and that can cause herniation 135 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 10: of the brain. So the brain was essentially because it's 136 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 10: a limited space within the school, it can be pushed 137 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 10: towards another area and that can then cause other complications such. 138 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 8: As reduced blood flow, reduced. 139 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 10: Oxygen, and so on. 140 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 2: Guys, it's happening all over our country, our great country. Shoplifters, 141 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 2: when confronted turn on the employee and kill them. Take 142 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 2: listen to our cut fifteen our friends at WVLT. This 143 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 2: happened at the Rural King. Listen. 144 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 11: Unfortunately, we have a sad situation here today at Rural 145 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:46,839 Speaker 11: King here in the Halls community. 146 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 12: A situation that left the store employee dead. Police say 147 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 12: a shoplifter tried stealing ammunition when he was confronted by 148 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 12: a store employee. The shoplifter ran outside to the back 149 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 12: of the store, where authorities say he's got and killed 150 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 12: the employee before running off. Police say the suspect is 151 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 12: still on the loose and is being called armed and dangerous. 152 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 2: And at the Right Aid Take a listener cut Fortea 153 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 2: from KABC. 154 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 13: An accused killer now charged in the Right Aid shooting 155 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 13: in Glacelle Park. Twenty year old Anthony Limas faces one 156 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 13: count each of murder and second degree robbery. Prosecutors say 157 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 13: he shot and killed Right Aid employee Miguel Penelosa earlier 158 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 13: this month. Police say Limas and another man were trying 159 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 13: to steal beer and Penuelosa confronted him, and. 160 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 2: When the employee confronted them, he was murdered right then 161 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 2: and there. 162 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace. 163 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 2: To Karen start joining us renowned psychologists out of New 164 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 2: York TV radio Trauma X for You can find her 165 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 2: at karen'starting dot com. That's Karen with a C in 166 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 2: case you're looking for her. Karen, the dichotomy always makes 167 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 2: me stop, and it takes a lot to make me stop. 168 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 2: I've seen so many crimes and just try to figure 169 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 2: it out. But I know now I can't figure it out. 170 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 2: The dichotomy of it being a normal day. I remember 171 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 2: when I walked out of that statistics exam at Mercer University. 172 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,439 Speaker 2: Inside the building it was dark. I came out and 173 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 2: the sun was shining, and I thought, Wow, what a 174 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 2: beautiful day. And I started walking to my job at 175 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 2: the library. And the next thing I know, my life changed. 176 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 2: My fiance had been murdered. And hear these people. They 177 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 2: leave their family in the morning, bye, honey, kiss, The 178 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 2: children give them a huge at dinner, and their gun 179 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 2: down at wark. And this guy, a sixty year old 180 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 2: guy came back to work after heart surgery, trying to 181 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 2: get his children through college, through education, is beaten dead 182 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 2: by somebody trying to steal two beers. The dichotomy of 183 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 2: how quickly it all happens. His family must be just 184 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 2: writhing in pain. 185 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 14: With no way nancy to be able to predict, no 186 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 14: way to be able to cope. 187 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 4: It's not like a long illness. 188 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 14: And then the person at the end is dying, which 189 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 14: is bad enough, but here it is where they say 190 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 14: goodbye and they have no idea they will never see 191 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 14: the person again, which is exactly what happened to you. 192 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 14: It's just so shocking, and you never It's the reason 193 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:56,599 Speaker 14: that every moment when you're with people is so precious, 194 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 14: because life can be taken away. But I want to 195 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 14: say that things seem to me to have gotten much 196 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 14: more violent. I mean, here's the story with this very 197 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 14: good Samara. 198 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 2: This good guy. 199 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 14: He sees in taking something and does nothing, and he 200 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 14: knows the guy is stealing, and he lets him. 201 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 4: Go, and then this guy. 202 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 14: Comes back again and does it again. 203 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 15: It's just outrageous. 204 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 2: And this guy is on the loose, he hasn't been caught. 205 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 2: And this family just hanging in the wind in pain. 206 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 2: Is happening all over our country. When are we going 207 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 2: to demand justice? Up Here you go, here's a home 208 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 2: depot employee now dead. And of all places pleasant to 209 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 2: take a list nour cut sixteen KTVU. 210 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 16: Family, co workers and pleasant and Beliefs are in shock 211 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 16: after home depot worker Blake Mose was shot and killed 212 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 16: while trying to stop a theft. 213 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 17: Unfortunately, Blake's life was cut short by this senseless act 214 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 17: of violence that started with a theft and turned into 215 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 17: a robbery and ended in his murder. 216 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 16: At about two fifteen Tuesday afternoon, Mose tried to stop 217 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 16: this woman, Venetia Naps, after police say she stole an 218 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 16: electrical item and ran to the loading dock area in 219 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 16: the back of the store. 220 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 17: The female suspect pulled out a handgun and fired a 221 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 17: shot at Pleet. 222 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 16: Mose died at a hospital. He was twenty six years old. 223 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 2: Just like that. Bam, it's over. Here's a home depot 224 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 2: worker eighty two. You know when you go into a 225 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 2: Walmart and I think home depot too. They have greeters, 226 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 2: usually senior citizens. Somebody kills an eighty two year old senior. 227 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 2: Take a listen hour cut eighteen our friends at ABC. 228 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 9: An eighty two year old home Depot employee who was 229 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 9: assaulted back in October and Hillsborough has now died from 230 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 9: his injuries. Police say the employee was trying to stop 231 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 9: the man who was stealing from the store. You can 232 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 9: see the worker approaches the man, who then pushes him 233 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 9: down and continues walking away. The medical examiner ruling the 234 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 9: man's death a homicide tonight. Hillsboro police are still searching 235 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 9: for that man, who, as you see right here, had 236 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 9: three boxes in that shopping cart with pressure washing equipment 237 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 9: made by Rayobi. The man took off in a white 238 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 9: four door Hondai Sonata. 239 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 2: I've got this whole stack of cases where employees doing 240 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 2: their job, minding their own business, families at home are 241 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 2: murdered at work by shoplifters, and what we just let 242 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 2: it keep happening and happening and happening. Andy Kahn, when 243 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 2: is this going to stop? 244 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 12: You know? 245 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 2: Andy is joining me, director of Victim Services and Advocacy 246 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 2: Crime Stoppers out of Houston. Andy. I think I've told 247 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 2: you in the past my first case that I ever 248 00:16:55,920 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 2: prosecuted was his shoplifting where the guy actually didn't take 249 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 2: anything out of the store. But don't worry, I got 250 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 2: a conviction at tempted shotlifting. And I always thought, wow, 251 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 2: my first case is going to be, you know, this 252 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 2: bank robbery or a murderer or rico. It was a shotlifting, 253 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:19,640 Speaker 2: and that's taking on a whole new dimension because of victims, 254 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 2: decent victims like mister Taldy. I'm just when is it 255 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 2: going to stop? In San Francisco. It's as if the 256 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 2: criminals are running the city. 257 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 11: I can tell you, Nancy, as a board member of 258 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 11: parents and murdered children and surviving family members of homicide, 259 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 11: that grief is intensified when justice is lacking, and sadly, 260 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 11: right now, justice is lacking for John and his family. 261 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 11: I wish like you've been saying this was an anomaly, 262 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 11: this was a rare occasion, but the domino effect of 263 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 11: property crime and how we continue you to label those 264 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 11: who commit property crimes as quote nonviolent crimes are wrecking 265 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 11: havoc in the community. You have some sections in the 266 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 11: United States of America that are now calling nonviolent offenders 267 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 11: and I can't make this up. They're now called justice 268 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 11: challenge individuals. 269 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 2: Right stop? Who said that? Who was saying justice challenge? 270 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 11: Where I have officials in Harris County in Houston, Texas 271 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 11: that are now using urbage for inmates, felons, offenders, They're 272 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 11: calling them justice challenge individuals. And I'm just trying not 273 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 11: to laugh because you can't make this stuff. 274 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 2: What It's all funny to some people that property crimes 275 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 2: are committed by justice challenge people until they turn on 276 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 2: innocent victims like mister ti Walde and beat him dead 277 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 2: with the baseball bat over two beers. Alexis Terrischuk joining 278 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 2: me Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Alexis what exactly happened. 279 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 15: So the suspect walked into the market and he stole water. 280 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 15: He stole bottle of the water, and he walked out 281 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 15: of the store. John did nothing. He let him go. 282 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 15: It's just water. But then the guy came back and 283 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 15: he tried to steal beer again, and he was so 284 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 15: he tried to stop him. He picked up a baseball 285 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 15: bat that he had for protection at the store. Because 286 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 15: obviously this is not a one off thing. Clearly, bad 287 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 15: things are happening repeatedly. 288 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. 289 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 2: I looked at the Patriots, Alexis, and I say, the 290 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 2: burglar bars on all the windows of this little store, 291 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 2: So go ahead. 292 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 15: And so he tried to stop him. He didn't hit him, 293 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 15: he didn't shoot him with the gun. He just tried to 294 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 15: stop him from leaving the store with the beer. And 295 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 15: this man shoved him. He shoved him to the ground, 296 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 15: the bat sell He picked up the bat and started 297 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 15: beating him while he was lying on the ground. He 298 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 15: had never been hitten, I'm sorry, he'd never been hit. 299 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 15: And he in turn beat this man to death. 300 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:17,719 Speaker 2: I'm looking at one particular photo right now, and you 301 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 2: see the defendant very clearly. He is a light to 302 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 2: medium skinned mail and judging by the fact that he's 303 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 2: standing next to a display and his head is taller 304 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 2: than the top of the display, it's one of those 305 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 2: chip displays you see right as you check out. This 306 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 2: guy is between five ten and six feet tall. He 307 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 2: is light skinned. He has close cut black hair. He 308 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 2: has dark eyes. He has a goatee more like a 309 00:20:55,920 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 2: soul patch. He has a very light facial hair that 310 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 2: is a wannabe mustache. He's standing there in red shorts 311 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 2: and a black T shirt no insignia, with black socks 312 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 2: and expensive white athletic shoes that they're not Nike, but 313 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 2: I've looked at that type before. They're expensive. And he's 314 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:28,679 Speaker 2: holding two beers in his hands, and he's looking at 315 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 2: Johann John Toalde and Tualde is pointing his hand. You 316 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 2: can see Toaldi's hand in the picture. I've study it 317 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 2: carefully with his left hand. He say, put that back, 318 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 2: put that back, probably speaking to him as he would 319 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 2: to his grandson or his son. Put that back. No, 320 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 2: put that back. I can just hear it ringing in 321 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 2: my ears right now, joining me. We are very blessed 322 00:21:56,160 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 2: today to have mar John phil Hower joining us from 323 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 2: that jurisdiction. Customer, neighbor, parent, small business advocate. Listen to this. 324 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 2: She's the co founder of the Balboa Village Merchants Association. 325 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 2: She knows all about this case. Ms. Phil Howard, thank 326 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 2: you for being with us. 327 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you Nathey. And I want to make 328 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 4: sure I mean these horrific details we can't forget, and 329 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 4: about the kind man in the middle of this all. 330 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 4: He was part of our neighborhood family. I was born 331 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 4: in this neighborhood and I'm raising my three kids here 332 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 4: who were also born in this neighborhood. It takes us 333 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 4: sixty seconds to walk to Richmond Market. It was the 334 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,719 Speaker 4: first place I ever let my kids walk to on 335 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 4: their own because John was there. He was such a 336 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 4: kind man, and it struck me on one occasion when 337 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 4: my three kids walked back into the house chattering about 338 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 4: what they bought, whatever it was with Dorito's drumstick ice cream. 339 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 4: But when I listen more closely, they were actually talking 340 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 4: about John and Nancy. They were talking about petting Nancy 341 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 4: the cat. They were talking about John and their purchases 342 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,439 Speaker 4: and his warm smile and how they made him. He 343 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 4: was part of building their confidence and he didn't have 344 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 4: to work. He cared about this community, he cared about 345 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 4: our kids, and we were so grateful to have known 346 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 4: him and to have learned from how he lived. I 347 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:33,120 Speaker 4: remember in that moment thinking, these are the memories that 348 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 4: these childhood memories build up our children and it's part 349 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 4: of their lives. That it's now been tainted with this 350 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 4: nightmare because we have lost a kind soul to a 351 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 4: senseless act of violence. And my neighbors and I we've 352 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 4: had enough. We have had enough, and we have to 353 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 4: ask ourselves now do we feel safer now than we 354 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 4: did four years ago? Eight years ago? And speaking for myself, 355 00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 4: the answer is a resounding note. 356 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 2: I don't know how. I mean. I could put people 357 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 2: away all day long twenty four seven, three sixty five, 358 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 2: and I did for over ten years plus three years 359 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 2: as a FED. But that said, if the government and 360 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 2: politicians aren't going to help, and you have DA's and 361 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 2: mayors in position where they are carrying out their social 362 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 2: activist platform where they don't want people to go to jail, 363 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 2: innocent people like mister Tiwaldy are paying the price. 364 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 4: You know, Nancy, You're absolutely right. We have a local 365 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:45,640 Speaker 4: supervisor in our neighborhood who campaigned on actually dismantling the police. 366 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,439 Speaker 4: We need to let the mayor do the job she 367 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 4: was elected to do. And instead we have an activist 368 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 4: and ideologically driven board of supervisors locally in our neighborhood 369 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 4: that's been pushing an anti law enforcement agenda. So we're short. 370 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 4: Hundreds of cops and residents are trying to organize themselves 371 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 4: so we can look out for each other. 372 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 2: You know what hurts me the most, Smith Phil Hower, 373 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,199 Speaker 2: I would say ninety percent of the people that I 374 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 2: represented did not have a voice. They were all minorities, 375 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 2: typically black, but other minorities, many of them, many many women, children, 376 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 2: but others, and nobody was speaking for them. And I 377 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 2: am not a politician. I hate politics. They actually discussed me. 378 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 2: I'd rather try a serial killer than get alone in 379 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 2: the room of the politician. 380 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 4: You're not alone, You're not alone. 381 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 2: But this has gone hate wire and at some point 382 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:56,679 Speaker 2: Jarrett Farentina Jaredtt is a veteran homicide prosecutor, and just 383 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 2: before he's joining us right now, he was set to 384 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 2: try a case where a store employee was killed and 385 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,439 Speaker 2: the other side got a continuance. I further notice a delay, 386 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 2: and that's how we happen to have him with us today. Jared, 387 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,439 Speaker 2: I want you to listen to our cut three. Who 388 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 2: is the victim? Our victim, mister Talde. Take a list 389 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 2: our friends at KTVU. 390 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 5: The family tells me to Wealde became a US citizen 391 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 5: eight months ago and underwent heart surgery in March. 392 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,439 Speaker 6: Right after his heart surgery, he didn't wait to go 393 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 6: back to work because he wanted to be there. There's 394 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 6: something about that community he loves. 395 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 5: And the community loves him. A neighbor contacted me about 396 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 5: what happened to Twalde, affectionately known as John. Others have 397 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 5: started to go fundme to help him and his family. 398 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 5: Relatives tell me doctors plan to run test on him 399 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 5: tomorrow to see if there is any brain activity. 400 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 2: And more from pix. 401 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:03,120 Speaker 3: Mire on set as her dad loves the neighborhood so much. 402 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 6: Who works seven days when you don't need to work 403 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,159 Speaker 6: like he just got out a hard censor tree. I 404 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 6: told him not to work. I have a job. I 405 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 6: can support them. Literally, he put me to college so 406 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 6: I can help them out. I do that, he still works, 407 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 6: then it does happened. This makes no sense. 408 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 3: Miron and her family are trying to understand how this 409 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 3: could have happened. They want justice, but most of all, 410 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,479 Speaker 3: they want him to get better. They want people to 411 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 3: pray for him. 412 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace. 413 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 2: You know, to you Jariff Ferantina, veteran prosecutor, the social 414 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 2: activist with and a Jenny, you know what, God bless him. 415 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 2: But let them go and hold his family's hand. Let 416 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 2: them see what is happening to regular people like us 417 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 2: that are out there trying to make a living, and 418 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 2: then people like this predator kills them. 419 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,199 Speaker 18: It's so sad, Nancy. When you look at John's photograph, 420 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,640 Speaker 18: you see an honorable man doing honest work. You get 421 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 18: to know him just by looking at it. This is 422 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 18: what happens when you cut police funding and the activists 423 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 18: are anti law enforcement. The reality is this thief entered 424 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 18: that store and stole water. John didn't approach him. Here's 425 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 18: the point, he didn't even have any police to call. 426 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 18: If you wanted to report that crime that's largely been decriminalized, 427 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 18: he probably would not have had a police officer respond. 428 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 18: If there was proper funding. Maybe this entire situation could 429 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 18: have resolved then, I hear. 430 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 2: You would have, could have, should have. But what do 431 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,959 Speaker 2: we do now? Who's looking for this guy who's helping 432 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 2: the family. And as much as a daughter wanted her 433 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 2: dad to wake up, he didn't listen to our cut 434 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 2: twelve KTVU. 435 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 19: The San Francisco man who was attacked trying to stop 436 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 19: a thief died from his injuries this afternoon. A family 437 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 19: of sixty year old Johannes to Weld, known as John, 438 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 19: says he suffered a brain injury when the suspect attacked 439 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 19: him at the Richmond Market Thursday night. The store owner 440 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 19: says the suspect not to Weld to the ground, causing 441 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 19: him to hit his head. Friends have started a GoFundMe 442 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 19: to help support his family, and police are still searching 443 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 19: for the man responsible for the attack. If you do 444 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 19: recognize the individual, you're asked to contact San Francisco police. 445 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 2: Guys, as you heard earlier, there is a go fund me. 446 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 2: I'm looking at it right now, and it's called violent 447 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 2: Crime in Richmond District. And that was that up in 448 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 2: part by our guest mar John phil Hower, who is 449 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 2: the community advocate and co founder of Balboa Village Merchants Association. 450 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 2: That's violent crime in Richmond District is going to his family. 451 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 2: I'm just you know, Jason Jensen and Jared Farentine. I 452 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,479 Speaker 2: want you to jump in, Jared about how what we 453 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 2: can do since obviously law enforcement has their hands tied 454 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 2: and is not being supported in this area. But Jason Jensen, 455 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 2: owner of Jensen Private Investigation's co founder Cold Case Coalition, 456 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 2: and you can find him at Jensenprivate Investigations dot com. Jensen, 457 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 2: it's my understanding, and alexis jump in if you know something. 458 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 2: In addition, but I understand that the suspect left in 459 00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 2: a sedan. What do we know about what kind of 460 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,959 Speaker 2: vehicle he was driving, if anything, and what do we 461 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 2: do jasonson I want this guy behind bars, life behind 462 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 2: bars at the least. 463 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 8: Really, what we've seen is an uptick in calls as 464 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 8: a private investigator because you're not getting that kind of 465 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 8: bach spot for petty crimes and stuff by law enforcement. 466 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 8: So security details private investigations they're really on the uprise. 467 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 8: And so what we would see, what we would do 468 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 8: in a case like this with mister Schwaldy is we 469 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 8: have an image of the perpetrator of his killer, and 470 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 8: we know a partial description of the vehicle. What we 471 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 8: want to do is canvas the neighborhood where we're going 472 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 8: to identify where this individual is hanging out. Obviously he 473 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 8: was there long enough to come to mister Twaldy's Richmond 474 00:31:55,280 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 8: store twice, so he was there visiting somebody living there nearby. 475 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 8: You want to find out from a neighborhood surveillance footage 476 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 8: or something where that vehicle was, try and get a 477 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 8: plate of the vehicle so you can identify the individual 478 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 8: and help law enforcement out. 479 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 2: That's a really good idea, Jared Farantino, Certainly with all 480 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 2: of the businesses along that street and Margie Jumping, if 481 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 2: you know, there has to be Jarrett Farantino, enough video surveillance. 482 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 2: I mean, I think there were sixteen cameras in the 483 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 2: grocery store, but those cameras outside the grocery store may 484 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 2: have gotten a tag number. 485 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 4: The businesses and residents have come to learn that having 486 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 4: cameras in front of their homes and businesses. 487 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 18: Undoubtedly they would canvass those neighborhood businesses and secure those cameras. 488 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 18: And I'm thinking they're working at identifying this individual. I 489 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 18: cannot imagine it's going to be terribly difficult to do 490 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 18: that in a neighborhood such as this, where people's talk, 491 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 18: people know each other. You know, John is known in 492 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 18: the neighborhood. You know, the good guys are known, but 493 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 18: the bad guys are known too, And hopefully someone comes 494 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 18: forward and shed some light on who this punk is. 495 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 2: Andy Cohn joining us out of Houston, Andy, what are 496 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 2: we going to do? 497 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 11: I can tell you there should be some sort of 498 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 11: crime stoppers reward. We would have one up immediately, right now, 499 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 11: and we would offer it right now, anywhere from up 500 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 11: to five thousand dollars for information leading to his arrest. 501 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 11: And like your other guests had said, somebody knows who 502 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 11: this guy is. There's no iffens or butts about it. 503 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 11: So the public has to step up to the plate 504 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 11: and do the right thing and contact San Francisco crime Stoppers. 505 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 11: And you can do it anonymous. Anonymously. You're eligible for 506 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 11: a reward if you want one, But quite frankly, just 507 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 11: do the right thing and get this thug off the 508 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 11: street right now. This sadly has become the new norm 509 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,840 Speaker 11: in America. And we sit back and we condone this 510 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:14,760 Speaker 11: type of behavior because we don't have real leadership, because 511 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:20,359 Speaker 11: real leadership means admitting you have a problem. There is 512 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 11: a problem, not just in San Francisco, but all over 513 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 11: the country. 514 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 2: And if we keep electing people that don't care about victims, 515 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 2: there's going to be more of this, and good people 516 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 2: like mister t Walde are paying the price. Doctor Minna, 517 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 2: I don't quite understand why did mister ti Waldy have 518 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 2: to die. He had two surgeries after the beating. Why 519 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,279 Speaker 2: did he succome What may have happened. 520 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 10: Is that he already has severe enough injury from the 521 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 10: direct impact of the fall and or the beating with 522 00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,800 Speaker 10: the bet, but learning also that he had and heart surgery, 523 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,360 Speaker 10: it's also possible that just from the stress or the 524 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 10: injuries alone, he could have had a cardiac event, and 525 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 10: then that can cause a stroke that may be by 526 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 10: that point irreversible. He may have something called a very 527 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 10: severe concussion, sometimes called traumatic brain injury or diffuse axonal injury. 528 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,279 Speaker 10: I'm thinking that the surgeries performed were either done to 529 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 10: relieve bleeding, or remove some of the bleeding and stop it, 530 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 10: or just to relieve the swelling of the brain so 531 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 10: that it can expand and not be constrained by the 532 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 10: skull around it. 533 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 2: Ala has any news on catching this guy. 534 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 15: The police have not caught him yet. They have said 535 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 15: that he fled in a sedan, but they have not 536 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 15: identified the sedan. They have not released a name. They 537 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 15: haven't said anything that they have put out the picture 538 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 15: but to pictures because there's video. They haven't put out 539 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,320 Speaker 15: the video because they don't want people see the violent assault. 540 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:05,840 Speaker 15: But they have shown this man's face repeatedly. They have 541 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:10,319 Speaker 15: two different pictures, but they have not said his name 542 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 15: or anything. 543 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 2: Guys, if you know information or thank you too. Four 544 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 2: one five five seven five four four four four goodbye friend,