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Speaker 1: that you can't screw up? Welcome into Fantasy Pros. I

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Speaker 1: And I can appreciate that because, I mean, you you

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Speaker 1: I like the caveat you put in, but I still

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, kind of touching on what Pat

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Speaker 1: Super safe to talk about too, like things are going

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Speaker 1: where you messed up? And the tier is going to

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Speaker 1: your takes on it. Pat, why don't you start up?

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Speaker 1: What is the RB three mess up? And who is

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Speaker 4: That's my RB three.

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Speaker 2: And Tyrone Tracy just above him and Tyrone Tracy we're

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Speaker 1: draft him, that's probably that spot. But it's very funny

434
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Speaker 1: that you guys both pinpoint Chris Rodriguez is the spot

435
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Speaker 1: where you guys messed up.

436
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny for me because I see what Pat

437
00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,119
Speaker 3: is saying, like we're on shaky ground with Tyrone Tracy,

438
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Speaker 3: and quite frankly, I believe that, hey, we probably get

439
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Speaker 3: like a four week ramp up period for volume to

440
00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,960
Speaker 3: be really be increased on Camps Skataboo. But even then,

441
00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,639
Speaker 3: so you can make the argument like, Okay, well, if

442
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Speaker 3: Skataboo were to go down with another injury, like we

443
00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,120
Speaker 3: know exactly what we would be getting out of Tyber

444
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,359
Speaker 3: and Tracy Jennyr And there's where the receiving upside would

445
00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,240
Speaker 3: come in. You know, if Bachel Tuton were to go

446
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,680
Speaker 3: down with an injury, at no point is three down

447
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,640
Speaker 3: back territory going to exist for Chris Rodriguez. So logically

448
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Speaker 3: that makes sense why that would be the specific cutoff,

449
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,880
Speaker 3: because you can make an argument for everyone above there.

450
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,200
Speaker 3: Now they've all got their different issues, right. You look

451
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Speaker 3: at a JK. Dobbins and you say, okay, not a

452
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Speaker 3: three down back, but excellent offense, goal line opportunities, but

453
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Speaker 3: injury risks there. There's the obvious receiving backs there with

454
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Speaker 3: Kenneth Game, while I'm a Shot White right and Aaron Jones.

455
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Speaker 3: But you can make arguments for people once you get

456
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Speaker 3: to that. Chris Rodriguez point is where I think you

457
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Speaker 3: start getting into the territory. Were no longer making arguments,

458
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Speaker 3: you would just only be identifying guys at this point, like, Hey,

459
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Speaker 3: I just want to find a handcuff because I know

460
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Speaker 3: that none of these guys are going to really be

461
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Speaker 3: providing any kind of usable RB three type of workload

462
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Speaker 3: for me.

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Speaker 1: RB tiers from one two and the break where you

464
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Speaker 1: screwed up that is terror and Pat's take. We got

465
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Speaker 1: more with wide receivers, but if you guys want to

466
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Speaker 1: make the best decisions, If you guys want to be

467
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Speaker 1: able to utilize and start putting these tiers to work

468
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Speaker 1: for you, you guys can build your own boards at

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Speaker 1: fantasypros dot com slash sheet. Our cheat sheet creator lets

470
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Speaker 1: you combine the specific rankings of experts you trust, so

471
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Speaker 1: you can go and put patent tara together. You can

472
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Speaker 1: get a rank in. You can manually drag and drop

473
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Speaker 1: your favorite targets into custom tiers, and then you can

474
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Speaker 1: tag your must have so you can see exactly when

475
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Speaker 1: a talent tier is drying up in real time. Stop

476
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Speaker 1: looking at flat lists and build a real board at

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Speaker 1: fantasypros dot com slash sheet or on the Fantasy Pros

478
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Speaker 1: app Do it today. Let's go to wide receivers so

479
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Speaker 1: I will do a better job of audibly giving people

480
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Speaker 1: the tiers. On the podcast side, tier one like running back,

481
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Speaker 1: it's got four, We've got Jamar, Chase Pukinakua, Jackson Smith,

482
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Speaker 1: Jig and Amnra Saint Brown. I think it's interesting too,

483
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Speaker 1: because I feel like in drafts and talking with people,

484
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Speaker 1: there seems to be a little bit more of a

485
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Speaker 1: tier ending after jsin, so seeing a manra in here

486
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Speaker 1: is kind of fun. Tier two is Ceedee Lamb, Justin Jefferson,

487
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Speaker 1: Drake Lund and Nico Collins, AJ Brown and George Pickens.

488
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Speaker 1: So ten players represent the first two tiers. Tier three

489
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Speaker 1: Chris Olave, Rashid Rice Devanta Smith, Ttero McMillan, T Higgins,

490
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Speaker 1: Ze Flowers, Garrett Wilson, Lad McConkie, and Malik Neighbors. I

491
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Speaker 1: will stop there, but I will return. Those are the

492
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Speaker 1: first three tiers of wide receivers. So, like we did

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Speaker 1: with running backs, where does the tier break for your

494
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Speaker 1: wide receiver? One where you've been become uncomfortable terror, We're

495
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Speaker 1: going to start with you. So the last wide receiver

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Speaker 1: that tier breaks with, who.

497
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Speaker 3: It breaks with, Chris o'lava. I do trust them. I

498
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Speaker 3: know Jordan Tyson being in there does make things a

499
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Speaker 3: little bit more complicated there. But at the end of

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Speaker 3: the day, the pass catchers last year it was literally

501
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Speaker 3: just Chris o'lave and Juwan Johnson was once Rashid Shi

502
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Speaker 3: he had left right there was just no one in

503
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Speaker 3: the back half the season when Tyler Shuck was starting

504
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 3: that was contributing. They couldn't even get consistent production out

505
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Speaker 3: of the running backs there, so it was all very tilted.

506
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Speaker 3: So there's more opportunity here for the inclusion of another

507
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Speaker 3: wide receiver as a wide receiver two, and even really

508
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Speaker 3: one is a wide receiver three. Right, this offense is

509
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Speaker 3: really going to flesh itself out, and more so than

510
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 3: anything we know, this is a Kellen Moore offense. It's

511
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Speaker 3: high volume. He loves to pass. At no point is

512
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Speaker 3: he going to push this down to where we're seeing

513
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Speaker 3: Tyler Shuck consistently throwing twenty twenty two times a game. No,

514
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Speaker 3: we should be very comfortable that we're going to be

515
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Speaker 3: well in the thirty attempt game thirty attempts per game

516
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Speaker 3: range with Tyler Shuck under Kellen Moore, They've done nothing

517
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Speaker 3: but add into the system in terms of making this

518
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Speaker 3: the best environment for Tyler Shuck to thrive. So I'm

519
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 3: still with there. I'm being cautious and not getting too

520
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 3: overly optimistic there because you can't always see changes as

521
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 3: we can into these sophomore seasons for these quarterbacks here.

522
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Speaker 3: But I loved what I saw at the back half

523
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Speaker 3: of last season. I do have to cut it off

524
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Speaker 3: there at O lave because while I am draft like

525
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Speaker 3: I am draft in Rashi Rice and hoping that he

526
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Speaker 3: can actually stay on the field. The reality is is

527
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Speaker 3: that with that level of risk, you don't want it

528
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Speaker 3: as your wide receiver one. So for me, the cutoff

529
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Speaker 3: is a lava of guys that I know the type

530
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Speaker 3: of production that they can put up in general, and

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Speaker 3: the consistency of them on the field. And then after

532
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Speaker 3: that you get into the territory of guys that either

533
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 3: have legal issues, changing offenses, questionable volume situations right, and

534
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Speaker 3: then you kind of teeter in the wide receiver two

535
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Speaker 3: area there.

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Speaker 1: I think it's interesting, chrisal Lava is the beginning of

537
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Speaker 1: Tier three on finsher Pro's ECR, So there's kind of

538
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Speaker 1: a tier break where you're bumping it down a little bit,

539
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Speaker 1: especially if you want to consider the tier one and

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Speaker 1: two wide receivers as wide receiver ones in your offense.

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Speaker 1: Kind of agree with you when you are bringing up

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Speaker 1: for she Rice and like that that might be one

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Speaker 1: that I slightly toe the line with. Maybe I can

544
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Speaker 1: see we're starting to build scenarios and it gets out

545
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Speaker 1: of the question where I'm blankely just asking where are

546
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Speaker 1: you uncomfortable? We could build scenarios where it's like you

547
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Speaker 1: have two really strong running backs, you know, and then

548
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden you are forced into maybe like

549
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Speaker 1: Teteroa McMillan, being a wide receiver one, is that the

550
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: worst thing in the world. Maybe not. Maybe you went

551
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Speaker 1: running back tight end and then you're forced into that.

552
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: So you can make some of those scenarios. But like

553
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Speaker 1: the truest sense, chrisal Lava, I think that's a good one.

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Speaker 1: Pat You're gonna bump it up a tiny bit higher

555
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: with a little bit of a step up. You get

556
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Speaker 1: uncomfortable after the top ten wide receivers for your wide

557
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Speaker 1: receiver one. So who's your name?

558
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Speaker 4: George Picketts?

559
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Speaker 2: But I was really close to parroting Tara and saying

560
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Speaker 2: Chris Olava here, And I think the difference for me,

561
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Speaker 2: I like Tyler Shuck. I'm tentatively cautiously optimistic about Tyler Shuck,

562
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Speaker 2: and I don't want to be seen as trashing him

563
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 2: because I know sants fans think he is a mashup

564
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 2: Drew Brees and Archie Manning, and any slander against Tyler

565
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 2: Shuck is not going to be well accepted by fans

566
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Speaker 2: down to the by you.

567
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Speaker 1: But you're going to you're gonna lose all that good

568
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: grace you get in the comments for.

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Speaker 4: People exactly exactly.

570
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Speaker 2: So I'm optimistic about Shuck, but I do realize like

571
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Speaker 2: a lot of his production down the stretch came against

572
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 2: lesser defenses. He didn't have to you know, walk through

573
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 2: fire with that schedule late in the season. So I'm

574
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Speaker 2: going to go one spot higher with George Pickens, who's

575
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Speaker 2: tied to Dak Prescott, who I have zero.

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Speaker 4: Questions about as far as just a pure passer and

577
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Speaker 4: what Pickens did last year.

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Speaker 2: I mean we kind of thought he was one thing

579
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,360
Speaker 2: coming from Pittsburgh, so sort of a contested catch specialist,

580
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 2: maybe limited, you know, sort of a knockoff of DK Metcalf.

581
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 2: I think he showed last year he could be more

582
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 2: than that and being all around receiver whether Ceedee Lamb

583
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 2: was on the field or not. Like he produced with

584
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 2: Lamb on the field and without Lamb on the field,

585
00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 2: So everything looked pretty pretty good there, And yeah, I

586
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 2: would feel confident with him, especially if I'm going with

587
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 2: sort of a you know, bruiser running back out of

588
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Speaker 2: the gate with Gibbs or Beejean Robinson at the top

589
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 2: of Round one, Pickens comes back to me at the

590
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Speaker 2: turn round two, round three.

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Speaker 4: I'm pretty happy there.

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Speaker 1: An interesting exercise. I was just kind of thinking about

593
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Speaker 1: if people like this episode and they like conceptually what

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Speaker 1: we're talking about here, because obviously tiers, the tiers like

595
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Speaker 1: on ECR are not built around like this is your

596
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: only wide receiver one. It's just tiers of value and

597
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: stuff like that. But a cool experiment to play around

598
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Speaker 1: with if you guys maybe are a little bit more

599
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Speaker 1: tier based than rank based, is take those cheat sheets

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Speaker 1: and turn your tiers into wide receiver one tier and

601
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Speaker 1: then now tier one is eleven or ten wide receivers deep,

602
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Speaker 1: and you just rank at how you want, and then

603
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: you just physically look at it in tiers instead of

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Speaker 1: tier one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, and blah

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00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: blah blah, you just say this is the wide receiver

606
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Speaker 1: one tier, this is the wide receiver two tier, and

607
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Speaker 1: this is a wide receiver three and simplify it might

608
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: be a good use case if you guys want to

609
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Speaker 1: play around with a cheet She had another little plug

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Speaker 1: for that. But let's go to wide receiver twos now,

611
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Speaker 1: So Chris Olave and George Pickens, those are the breaks

612
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Speaker 1: for your wide receiver ones. You think that the tier

613
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: breaks for your wider receiver two at this spot. So

614
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Speaker 1: George Pickens is technically in this little experiment pat paired with.

615
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Speaker 2: Who preferably Terry McLaurin, who is an ECR wide receiver

616
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Speaker 2: twenty two. I don't really want to go past that

617
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Speaker 2: point beyond him as Luther Burden, who I like a

618
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Speaker 2: lot for Dynasty. I'm just not sure what it's going

619
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Speaker 2: to look like this year. And DeVante Adams who Adams

620
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 2: had a lot of injuries and maybe that's the reason

621
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Speaker 2: that the production was so dependent on touchdowns last year.

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Speaker 4: I still think Adams is really good.

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Speaker 2: Jamison Williams I like to but I would ideally like

624
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 2: to get a wide receiver too, who is Terry McLaurin

625
00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 2: or better.

626
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: Probably phrase a little bit better where I'm like, hey,

627
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: you're pairing him with him, Like that's the last break

628
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: that is technically the break. So that's the worst case

629
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Speaker 1: scenario for your wide receiver one and two is George

630
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Speaker 1: Pickens and Terry McLaurin is probably a better way to

631
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Speaker 1: say it. Tara, I'm definitely with you on this one.

632
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: This is kind of like one of those guys that

633
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: I'm targeting. You have, as you put, technically this guy

634
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: so your wide receiver two, it gets bad if you

635
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 1: get past this guy.

636
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 3: It's a Mecho Buka. Yeah, that's my happy place right there.

637
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 3: I'm making sure that I don't let a Mecho Buca

638
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 3: slide past me because no offense to Jalen Waddell. I

639
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 3: just think, you know, when we're looking at a Mecho Buca,

640
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 3: I love the potential trajectory for him in this bounce

641
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 3: back Tampa Bay offense. Here. It's funny because I agree

642
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 3: with Pat, like, there are guys that are on the

643
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 3: other side of that tier for me who I am

644
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 3: theoretically okay with, and Tara McLaurin is definitely one of

645
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 3: those guys. Like if I were to look for if

646
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 3: I miss out on a Mecho book and I'm like,

647
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,719
Speaker 3: oh crap, I need a wide receiver too, Terry McLaurin

648
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 3: is the next one of value that I would turn to.

649
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Speaker 3: But when it comes to a Mecha Buka, I'm just

650
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 3: extremely excited for the bounce back potential that we have

651
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 3: here and the promise that we saw at the beginning

652
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 3: of the season here. It would be one thing, because

653
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 3: I know there was a significant drop off there. We

654
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 3: saw the massive upside at the beginning of the season.

655
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Speaker 3: Five touchdowns at the beginning of the season, through the

656
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 3: first five weeks, multiple games, over one hundred yards. It

657
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,479
Speaker 3: was beautiful. He did it alongside Mike Evans. He did

658
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 3: it when Mike Evans got injured, so we got a

659
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Speaker 3: nice little preview there of him as the wide receiver

660
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 3: one and then everything went in. Mind you that was

661
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 3: also during a very difficult defensive stretch as well, against

662
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 3: teams like Houston and the Jets before all of their

663
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 3: crazy trades, Philadelphia, Seattle. So that little sample size, it's

664
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 3: a tiny sample size, but I'm completely buying into it.

665
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 3: It would be one thing if we saw, you know,

666
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Speaker 3: just a mecha Buka drop off at the back half

667
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 3: of the season and there was somebody another receiver that

668
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 3: had stepped in and maybe Jaylen mcmillard stepped in and

669
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 3: just made you know, some high ups and we were like,

670
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 3: why is why is I Macha a Buka kind of

671
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 3: fading here? But that didn't happen. It was the entire

672
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 3: Bucks offense that just went sideways. They clearly had an

673
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 3: offensive coordinator issue. That held them back and over his head,

674
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 3: they've upgraded in my opinion with Jack Zach Robinson, Baker

675
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 3: Mayfield was dealing with injuries, so everything is pointing upwards here.

676
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 3: That's the point at which I like the stop off

677
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 3: there of saying hey, this and above generally with you know,

678
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,479
Speaker 3: a couple of exceptions, there are guys that I trust

679
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 3: to have a guaranteed level of high volume, So that's

680
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 3: the breakoff for me. But again I am okay with

681
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 3: targeting Terry McLaurin. After that is a clear wide receiver

682
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 3: one in the first look for Jane Daniels, and then

683
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 3: I also don't technically mind Christian Watson as well. It's riskier,

684
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 3: but again it does depend on the type of build

685
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 3: that you are doing. I like to lean a little

686
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 3: bit ride receiver heavier there, so getting that kind of

687
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 3: cut off right at a mecha Buka is my preference.

688
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 3: But if you need to push back a little bit further,

689
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Speaker 3: I don't mind pushing back to even a Christian Watson there.

690
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Speaker 1: And you guys show up in tier four. So I

691
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: had left off at wide receiver nineteen, which is mylik neighbors.

692
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: At the end of tier three, A Mecca Buoka is

693
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,719
Speaker 1: wide receiver twenty the start of tier four, Jalen Wattle,

694
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: Terry McLaurin, So your wide receiver two. Both of your

695
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: cutoffs are inside the top twenty four of wide receivers overall.

696
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: Luther Burden at twenty three, Devonte Adams at twenty four,

697
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,959
Speaker 1: Jamison Williams, Mike Evans, Christian Watson, who we mentioned at

698
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Speaker 1: twenty seven. That might be like a little bit of

699
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: an uncomfortable zone, but you guys might stretch it. DJ

700
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: Moore and Roma Dunesday. That ends out Tier four twenty

701
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: nine wide receivers through I will mention this next tier,

702
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: and I will give you last name, so I don't

703
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: go forever here, but it'll be relevant to our last question.

704
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: Tier five is deep. Just me, I'm not even sure

705
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: if the break happened even quite here as I was

706
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: putting these in. But you've got thirty down to forty six.

707
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: It's a giant tier and that technically does represent wide

708
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: receiver three from a rank perspective into flex. But what

709
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: level comfort will you guys have? At thirty is Carnell Tate,

710
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: followed by Marvin Harrison Pierce. We've got metcap at thirty three,

711
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: Thomas Sutton Godwin. I do stop there for a second

712
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: to say that is thirty six. So if you just

713
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: look at, you know, thirty six wide receivers in a

714
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: twelve man, that's kind of caught off of the starters.

715
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,240
Speaker 1: Parker Washington's at thirty seven. We've got Jordan Tyson, Michael Wilson,

716
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 1: kay Lemon Pittman, Quintin Johnson, Myers, Pearsall, Wanda Robinson, Jordan Addison.

717
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,439
Speaker 1: That's under forty six. That is tier five. That's a

718
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: big tier. So where is the line at the wide

719
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 1: receiver three where you messed up? So this could be

720
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Speaker 1: a flex and those two wide receivers, this could be

721
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Speaker 1: the wide receiver three. So unlike what I asked her

722
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Speaker 1: the last two questions, what's the line, this is where

723
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: did you mess up? The line? You crossed it? And Tara,

724
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 1: we will go to you. What line is crossed where

725
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: it's a big old screw up.

726
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you're asking where you messed up, I actually

727
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 3: messed up. I put Parker Washington as my guy. That

728
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 3: is not where you mess up. I meant it as

729
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 3: the guy that I am blast okay with here. So

730
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 3: technically speaking.

731
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Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you, this is Jordan Tyson, then

732
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: the player after Parker Washington. Is that technically the mess

733
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Speaker 1: up for your wide receiver three.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is a little bit, just because that is

735
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 3: where you start dipping into the unknown rookie territory where

736
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 3: I am perfectly okay with drafting those guys to be

737
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 3: high end starters on my bench. Right I don't know

738
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 3: if right off the bat there, how comfortable I would

739
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 3: feel with is that being my wide receiver three or

740
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 3: my flex in a deeper league, obviously for sure, but

741
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Speaker 3: if you're a little bit more shallow in terms of

742
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 3: your starting lineup there, I would like a more established veteran,

743
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 3: So I would cut it right off there in terms

744
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 3: of you're dipping into those you know, like Jordan Tyson.

745
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 3: You then get to Michael Wilson. Mackay Lemon is right

746
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 3: after there. So I like these guys, but again they

747
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,280
Speaker 3: are technically these young guys are the wide receiver twos

748
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 3: on their team and they don't have that same potential

749
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 3: level of being the first look in the offense, particularly

750
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 3: that we saw with a Parker Washington in the back

751
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 3: half of the season. Now we do to you know,

752
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 3: get to the point where we have confirmed, like Travis

753
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 3: Hunter is not going to be a factor, we one

754
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 3: hundred percent have Parker Washington starting there in the slot.

755
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 3: But as long as that happens there, we know what

756
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 3: that looked like in the back half of the season.

757
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,919
Speaker 3: He was putting up multiple, multiple games of top twenty performances.

758
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 3: So that's the comfort level. And then you start to

759
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 3: dip into the guys who can ascend and they can

760
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 3: be promising, and I'm cool with it, but just like,

761
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 3: don't rely on that one hundred percent in your starting area.

762
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 3: I will say, technically speaking, I do have Clinton Johnston higher,

763
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 3: so he would fall into this tier of comfort for me.

764
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Speaker 1: I love it. Hey, what a pro you were able

765
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: to like get like four guys in there for this

766
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: question and you did a great job with that. So

767
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: love I love that breakthrough. So Tyson, maybe a little

768
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: uncomfortable level, Pat, where were you going to go with

769
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: this one? Because let's see, Parker Washington was I believe

770
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: thirty seven, so he was actually like right now on

771
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: that Godwin break where I had are you going further?

772
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: You're going a little bit higher? What is your mess

773
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: up at the wide receiver? Three?

774
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 2: Spot, it's Michael Wilson and just as terror through a

775
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 2: lifeline to Quentin Johnston. I want to throw one to

776
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 2: Makay Lemon and bring him up into my circle of trust.

777
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 2: I just any of those three rookie receivers. I'm all quick,

778
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:17,280
Speaker 2: okay with as my wide receiver three Michael Wilson.

779
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 4: It was just.

780
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 2: The splits were so stark for Michael Wilson with him

781
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 2: not having Marvin Harrison Junior on the field versus having

782
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison Junior on the field. When I made Shay

783
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 2: was around, Michael Wilson just didn't do much at all.

784
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 2: Didn't see a lot of targets when Harrison Junior was out.

785
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 2: I mean, he got peppered with targets, did a good job.

786
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 2: I don't want to ignore the fact that he was

787
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 2: good in those games that Marvin Harrison Junior didn't play.

788
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 2: Then again, the Cardinals led the NFL in pass attempts

789
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 2: last year, and they just drafted a running back third. Overall,

790
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 2: they're not going to leave the league in pass attempts again.

791
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 2: They could have one hundred, one hundred and twenty fewer

792
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 2: pass attempts than they had last year, and I kind

793
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: of don't want the number three target in that offense.

794
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 2: They're also going to get some starts out of Carson

795
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,760
Speaker 2: Beck in all likelihood this year. So yeah, Michael Wilson

796
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 2: is my wide receiver three, no.

797
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: Thanks, and that's thirty nine on ECR here, So pressing it,

798
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 1: pushing a little bit. And again they ad just penning

799
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: like two wide receiver through wide receiver. You're putting guys

800
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,479
Speaker 1: in flex like that's where the line starts to get crost.

801
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: There's still some interesting names that are down there, but

802
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: there's like that uncomfortable lesson. So that is where the

803
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:28,439
Speaker 1: tier break.

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Speaker 4: If I can add real quick.

805
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Speaker 2: Parker Washington want to echo Tara's you know, praise for

806
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,399
Speaker 2: him one hundred and thirteen and a half yards per

807
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 2: game in his last four games last year, And I

808
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 2: don't want to be I don't want to people to

809
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 2: have people think this is recency bias. Maybe it is,

810
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 2: but he was pretty spectacular last year. I mean, he

811
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Speaker 2: was one of the leaders in contested catches last year

812
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 2: just because he was a sixth round draft pick. Like

813
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel better about Parker Washington than I

814
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 2: do about Brian Thomas Junior. Like I think Parker, Washington

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Speaker 2: is for real.

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Speaker 1: started today. Let's go to quarterbacks. We are going to

842
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Speaker 1: be breaking through the tiers and what makes us uncomfortable.

843
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: And I'm going to push this a little bit as well,

844
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Speaker 1: not just to QB one, but I want to get

845
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Speaker 1: a little super flex talk in here. So let's talk

846
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Speaker 1: about these tiers. As the board shows us. Tier one

847
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Speaker 1: has Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, and Drake May. We break

848
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Speaker 1: to Tier two, where we go six more quarterbacks, Joe Burrow,

849
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Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels, Jalen Hurts, Caleb Williams, Justin Herbert, and Trevor Lawrence.

850
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:07,240
Speaker 1: Tier three Dak Prescott, Jackson, Dart Rock. Perty is twelve.

851
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 1: So that's maybe you know that top twelve starting quarterbacks.

852
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: Bo Nick's at thirteen, Patrick Mahomes, Matthew Stafford, and Jared Goff.

853
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: We'll make a little stoppy there because we went sixteen

854
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks in and let's talk about the comfort level in

855
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: a single quarterback for a QB one. Whether you like

856
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 1: the high end guys or you want to wait, it's

857
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 1: often discussed and Pat, what has become your comfort line?

858
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: It's a little tough. I mean, I'm spoiling the tight

859
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: end stuff. But if anyone's listened to anything Pat's done,

860
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: they know Pat wants himself some tight ends. So you're

861
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Speaker 1: going to probably prioritize the higher tight ends before quarterbacks,

862
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: so you might go deeper names. But where is the

863
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: tier line for your QB one this year?

864
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 2: It's such a good year to wait at quarterback that

865
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 2: I'm willing to wait until like Quarterback eighteen and Jordan

866
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 2: Love there if I need to, or QB seventeen Kyler Murray.

867
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 2: Like if I'm one in one of those crazy one

868
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 2: k leagues where people are drafting backups and I'm waiting

869
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 2: so long that people are drafting backups before I get

870
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 2: my first guy, I'm okay with that. But where I

871
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 2: would last feel good about my QB one, I think

872
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 2: would be brock Purty and the brock Purty bow Nicks

873
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,919
Speaker 2: cut off. I feel good about Purdy, who's our QB twelve,

874
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 2: and ECR a little less good about bo Nicks, who

875
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 2: led the league in pass attempts last year and still

876
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 2: didn't get to four thousand yards.

877
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 4: So just kind of a.

878
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 2: Comfort thing there, and below Bownicks, Patrick Mahomes coming off

879
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 2: the injury, Matthew Stafford who probably can't maintain that sort

880
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 2: of touchdown rate for two straight seasons. Yeah, so Purty,

881
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 2: And with Purty, it's true QB one cut off since

882
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 2: he's a QB twelve terra.

883
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: Same question, single quarterback QB one. We've got three tiers

884
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: that go sixteen quarterbacks deep. The top two tiers go

885
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: nine quarterbacks deep. But where does the tier break for

886
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: your comfort level for your QB one this year?

887
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like Pat, I push it back a little further.

888
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 3: I mean, mine is mine's not necessarily tight ends. But

889
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 3: you guys saw that I was obviously cutting off my

890
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 3: RB twos and wide receiver twos pretty early there, so

891
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,240
Speaker 3: that would indicate I'm definitely pushing quarterback there a little

892
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 3: bit later. So I'm okay with dipping into the depth

893
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 3: there and pushing back to a to a Matt Stafford borderline.

894
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 3: Dear golf level. Typically Jared Goff would not be included

895
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 3: in that for me, But I'm allowing myself the potential

896
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 3: to shift to Jared Goff this season because I do

897
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,439
Speaker 3: significantly like the back half of the season for him

898
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 3: spoiler alert, lots of domes and good weather games. So

899
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 3: when I saw the number of domes on the season,

900
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, buddy, you can kind of come

901
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 3: into this territory. But kind of cutting it off right

902
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 3: there is where I feel comfortable. And again, you know,

903
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 3: like like Pat, I like to in one QB league

904
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,399
Speaker 3: extended out a little bit and kind of play based

905
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 3: off how the league is drafting. If everyone is collectively

906
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 3: pushing quarterback back, then yeah, maybe I can jump in

907
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,879
Speaker 3: a little early and I might grab one of those

908
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 3: tier two guys. Probably not going to, you know, unless

909
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 3: the build is for a very specific reason dip into

910
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 3: the very elite guys. But there's a lot of good

911
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 3: guys in that QB and that tier two range that

912
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 3: I would feel good about. But otherwise, if they're being

913
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 3: very aggressive with quarterback, I'm not going to be pressured

914
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 3: into drafting quarterback, and I can push it back further.

915
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 3: And I mean, if you have to push it back

916
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 3: a little more and dip into like Pat mentioned his

917
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 3: you know guy would be you know, dipping back into

918
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 3: the Jordan Love range. Mine would be dipping back into

919
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 3: the Tyler Shuck range right, rather than forcing myself to

920
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,879
Speaker 3: take like a Jackson Dart who I don't feel super

921
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 3: comfortable with, just pushing back a little and saying, hey,

922
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 3: I've got the flexibility here. QB one pushes back a

923
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 3: little further into the Stafford golf area. And there's even

924
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 3: some guys later that have real upside that you could

925
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 3: feel comfortable with streaming as well.

926
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: I kind of like a combination of you guys. It's

927
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: like Stafford and Purty. Those are put those two together

928
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: as like the guys that I really like that I'm

929
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: willing to drop down. So now let's push it to

930
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: super flex. Let's see what changes, if anything changes. Now

931
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: we're talking about a super flex where you're going to

932
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 1: be taking two quarterbacks. You guys are definitely willing to

933
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: push the limits in a single But what changes here

934
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 1: when we get into super flex tear? We'll start with

935
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: you how much higher or maybe it doesn't at all?

936
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: Does that QB one cut off in a super flex become.

937
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it goes higher. Superflex is very different from me.

938
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 3: I'm not playing around. I don't want that disadvantage in

939
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,720
Speaker 3: the uncertainty. And you know you can't do the whole

940
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 3: stream big and super flex. You need to get your guy.

941
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 3: So I'm not playing around games and I'm grabbing a

942
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 3: top ten quarterback here. My cutoff would be justin Herbert,

943
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 3: so that I can ensure that, hey, I've got a

944
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 3: strong quarterback here that I know I can rely on

945
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 3: for a certain level of volume. And then hey, to

946
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 3: be fair, you could like say that Dak and brock

947
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:02,320
Speaker 3: Purty fit the mold too. They're very close here. But again,

948
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 3: I just feel more comfortable with the guaranteed volume, especially

949
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 3: with the upgraded system there, the offensive line getting healthy.

950
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 3: That's my nice little cutoff area. There's some guys afterwards

951
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 3: that you know, hey, we could, we could make it work,

952
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 3: but you know, you start to get into more of

953
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 3: that risky category with like you know, Patrick Mahomes love him,

954
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 3: you know, we would typically consider him in that tier,

955
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 3: but he's coming off of an injury. Right stafford age

956
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 3: risk I talked about Goff, who I like, but you know,

957
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 3: more so is a high end QB two target as well.

958
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 3: So cutting off right there at justin Herbert ensures that

959
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 3: I don't get into kind of funny business range in

960
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 3: terms of volatility. So that's my comfort level in super Flex.

961
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 1: And that is QB eight that's in tier two. QB

962
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: eight is the cutoff here for the comfort level of

963
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: QB one for Tara, Pat, what about you're going to

964
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 1: push the limits a little bit more, You're gonna still

965
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: stay in the rock pretty range. Who's your QB one

966
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 1: in super flex? That line I'd.

967
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 4: Still be okay with party, but I'll push it up

968
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 4: just a little bit too.

969
00:46:54,239 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 2: Ideally Dak Prescott or better, Dak is QB ten in ECR, okay,

970
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:00,879
Speaker 2: So easy push.

971
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 1: Now if we kind of push it down into the

972
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: super flex QB two, because presumably you're not going to

973
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: let that get too crazy here how much further down?

974
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: I think that's always the dance people have in super

975
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,760
Speaker 1: flex is like, are you willing to push that QB

976
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:17,879
Speaker 1: two down for value so you can grab all those

977
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: positional players? Do you want to be a high in

978
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: quarterback one quarterback two?

979
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:22,959
Speaker 4: Pat?

980
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: We will start with you, so you're pairing your higher

981
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: end Dak Prescott with where's the line of QB two

982
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: in super flex? For you?

983
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 2: I do you want to get my fair share of

984
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 2: running backs and wide receivers and maybe a good tight

985
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 2: end in super flex? So I'm willing to push it

986
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 2: down to the one step above a warm body range

987
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 2: with Sam Donald and below right below Sam Donald and

988
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 2: ECRs Cam Word. That's where I start to get a

989
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 2: little squeamish.

990
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,439
Speaker 1: And I should probably give the numbers there for tier four.

991
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,280
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray comes in at seventeen, Jordan Love at eighteen,

992
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield at nineteen, Tyler Schuck at twenty, Malik Willis

993
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,959
Speaker 1: at twenty one, gotten to Donald twenty two, is CJ.

994
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,399
Speaker 1: Stroud now Donald at twenty three, Cam Wore, Daniel Jones.

995
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 1: Those are the top twenty five quarterbacks going into tier four.

996
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: So you will let it dip down into the tier

997
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,879
Speaker 1: four range there, But you're cut off at QB two

998
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: is r QB twenty three, So then same question, Sarah,

999
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: for you, you're cut off super flex QB two is

1000
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: who I.

1001
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 3: Like Pat's mention of the warm body there, mine's of

1002
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 3: warm body, but the body's got to have very active legs.

1003
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 3: So my cut off there is Malik Willis. Yeah, that

1004
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 3: Malik Willis Tyler Shuck range. Malik Willis at the very

1005
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 3: least gives you the ability I've got mile Justin Field's PTSD.

1006
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 3: I didn't draft into it, so but watching other people

1007
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,839
Speaker 3: go through that made me feel like I was experiencing it.

1008
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 3: So you do have to be aware that there was

1009
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 3: always the possibility that that can technically happen there. With

1010
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 3: Malik Willis, you can get into that same kind of

1011
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 3: Justin Field's thing that we dealt with last year. But

1012
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 3: the rushing upside does make him a good viable option

1013
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 3: to kind of cut off there. So that's my cutoff.

1014
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 3: I'll leave it at the guys that have the rushing

1015
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,479
Speaker 3: up side. There is my KEB Taos, But I will

1016
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 3: say I do like certain quarterbacks that are in that

1017
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 3: kind of QB three range in Danil Jones is my guy.

1018
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 3: If you have to dip back a little bit further,

1019
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 3: I like it.

1020
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: Malik will Is probably mine here as well. All right,

1021
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Speaker 1: Final up here is our tight ends. We have only

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00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: two things We're gonna hit on tight end. We are

1049
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: gonna do a little sprinkle on tight end premium, and

1050
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 1: then we're gonna talk about the obvious tight end ones.

1051
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: So our tiers. We actually have four tight ends in

1052
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: tier one here, even though I think people have treated

1053
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,839
Speaker 1: this a little bit more like it's just Bowers or

1054
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: McBride and then you move forward. But Tier one is

1055
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:53,879
Speaker 1: Brock Bowers, McBride, Lovelin, and Tyler Warren. Who's your top four?

1056
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: Tier two we have only four more tight ends with

1057
00:50:56,640 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 1: Tucker Craft, Harold Fannin Jr. Kyle Pitts, and Sam Laporta.

1058
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:05,479
Speaker 1: Tier three we go nine to fifteen Travis Kelce, George Kittle,

1059
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 1: Dalton Kinkaid, Ferguson, Likely Goddard Andrews, and just so I

1060
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:13,280
Speaker 1: don't miss it, Tier four is a bunch more with Juwan, Jennings, Strange, Gadsden,

1061
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: Henry Akonquo Schultz, Hockinson, Barner, Sadik and him. That is

1062
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:22,280
Speaker 1: twenty five tight ends that are representative of four tiers.

1063
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 1: But what is the true tier break where things get

1064
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,240
Speaker 1: wonky for your tight end one? Pat, you are mister

1065
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: tight end this year. You have been on record you

1066
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 1: want Bowers, you want the top guys. But is that

1067
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 1: the true breakoff for you? What level is going to

1068
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: make you uh or where is the last guy before

1069
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: you get really uncomfortable with your starting tight end?

1070
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1071
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 2: I really want to get one of Bowers, Loveland's McBride,

1072
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:53,919
Speaker 2: Warren or Tucker Craft, but I'd also be cool with

1073
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 2: any of Fannin, Pits or Laporta. It's after those eight

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00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 2: where I start to get uncomfortable, and that would be

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00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 2: I guess Travis Kelcey at tight End nine, who might

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00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 2: be some of the numbers last year suggest like we've

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00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 2: kind of already gone over our cleft with Travis Kelcey.

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00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting. I know I just did a show

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00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: with Ericson, and I know Ericson's very like pro Laporta

1080
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: and there's been a lot of like pro Laporta. Maybe

1081
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: it was even Debro. I think that was really high Laporta,

1082
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: but a lot of so okay, So technically the Porta

1083
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: I might have written that down weird too. So Laporta

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00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: is like the last tight end that you feel that

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00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 1: real comfort level with, which is here two Kelsey starts

1086
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,879
Speaker 1: to create the IX the scaries here, So same thing

1087
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: your comfort level, Tara of the break of tighten one?

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00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: Is this either this is the guy that scares you

1089
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,879
Speaker 1: or is this the guy that you the last one

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00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: before you become super uncomfortable.

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Speaker 3: It's my last call. My last call is Kyle Pitts.

1092
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 3: And the cutoff there for me is just with I.

1093
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 3: I don't dislike seeing Laporta, and I'm very interested to

1094
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 3: see his potential upgrade here with change an offensive coordinator,

1095
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 3: because obviously you know he has had a wonderful experience

1096
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 3: with heavily targeting the tight ends. But it does concern

1097
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 3: me that when I look at Kyle pits In everyone

1098
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 3: else above him right for a pass catching perspective, excluding

1099
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 3: the running backs on their teams, right, we look at

1100
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 3: them and you know that they are one of the

1101
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 3: top two looks in their offense, and that's my comfort level.

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00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 3: The problem is with Sam Laporta and why he's the

1103
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 3: cutoff there is that we know for a fact there's

1104
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 3: Amanra and Jamison Williams where he kind of runs in

1105
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,720
Speaker 3: tandem with. But it feels like we just keep pushing

1106
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:38,280
Speaker 3: forward with Jamison Williams, especially with again that I mentioned

1107
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 3: we should have an opportunity for Jared Goff to air

1108
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 3: the ball out a little bit more with this schedule,

1109
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 3: so possibly a little bit more pushing forward with him.

1110
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 3: So that's my issue unfortunately with Sam Laporta being the

1111
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 3: cutoff because he is technically the third look there. Kyle Pits.

1112
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,720
Speaker 3: I feel good about him. I know we have tried

1113
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 3: to feel good about Kyle Pitts for years and years now.

1114
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 3: But in Kevin stefansleiddly enough, we do trust when it

1115
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 3: comes to tight ends, he loves targeting them at a

1116
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 3: thirty percent clip brate he should be very excited to

1117
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 3: just send bombs away to Kyle Pitts this year, So

1118
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 3: probably a guaranteed hundred targets there with him.

1119
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: And that's seven and eight. By the way, you guys,

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00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 1: your comfort level breaks at seven and eight. We're quarterback.

1121
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 1: You guys are going down to eighteen. So again, like

1122
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 1: you know, where especially YouTube specifically, are finding your breaks.

1123
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 1: It is much more in the higher tight ends than

1124
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 1: it is in that quarterback space. So if you look

1125
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,359
Speaker 1: at these tier breaks and how your construction builds are,

1126
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: it's kind of like coming to and then this is

1127
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: just a quick one. Don't want to spend any crazy

1128
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 1: time with it. But just as a bonus here, if

1129
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 1: you do play in a tight end premium, this is

1130
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 1: the odd oddity of the question. If you play in

1131
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: a tight end premium, you're going to have more than

1132
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: one tight end and you're going to probably have a

1133
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: tight end that's going to play in effect flex because

1134
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 1: likely that is going to be like one point five

1135
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: per reception. So the bonus question is is what is

1136
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 1: your comfort break in a tight end premium for a

1137
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: second tight end presuming you're going to want to get

1138
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: another guy in here? So Pat, what do you think here?

1139
00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: Tight end premium tight end two?

1140
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe like Brenton Strange at tight end seventeen. But

1141
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,240
Speaker 2: the weird thing is in tight end premium, I'm actually

1142
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 2: more willing to punt the position because it gets pushed up,

1143
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,439
Speaker 2: I think more than it should. People tend to think

1144
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 2: tight ends are one and a half times as valuable.

1145
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 2: They're not, because it's only the receptions they're giving you

1146
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 2: one and a half times what you would normally get,

1147
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 2: not the ardage and touchdowns that's the same reward.

1148
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 4: So it's really like.

1149
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 2: They're one hundred and they're one point two times more

1150
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 2: valuable in most cases than they would. So I'm like,

1151
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 2: it just seems like their values created at other positions

1152
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 2: because people get so tight end crazed in tight end

1153
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 2: premium drafts.

1154
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: And then probably your tight end one it kind of

1155
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 1: stays the same. Then you probably don't yeah break like

1156
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: break you still want like Laporta up in a premium.

1157
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 2: I'd be willing to go down to more the George

1158
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 2: Kittle even like Mark Andrews, but I'll probably fire back

1159
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 2: with the tight end two pretty quickly after that.

1160
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: Okay, I like it tare the same thing. Then that

1161
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 1: second tight end in a premium space, what is the

1162
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:02,919
Speaker 1: tier break for you? Yeah?

1163
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:06,800
Speaker 3: It is a chiggocon quo with me, kind of similar

1164
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 3: viewpoint as Pat on that one. You know, I'm cool

1165
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:11,319
Speaker 3: with pushing it back and these are guys that I'm

1166
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 3: cool with if I miss out on the top seven

1167
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 3: and you know, regular tied end leagues, I'm okay with

1168
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:18,879
Speaker 3: dipping back into this range for streaming options as well,

1169
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 3: looking for guys with volume like Chig the potential to

1170
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 3: be the second look in that offense. There. I don't

1171
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 3: mind an aj Barner as well. So yeah, I'm okay

1172
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 3: with looking and finding some potential little sleepers back here

1173
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 3: a little further back.

1174
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 4: There you go.

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00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: Friends, we talk a lot about ranks and episodes and

1176
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: we just kind of turn it on its head and

1177
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 1: having a big focus on tiers and where they break

1178
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,240
Speaker 1: for what positional stuff you want to do. But you, guys,

1179
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 1: tell us you can drop in the comments below some

1180
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,800
Speaker 1: of your favorite or must have breaks where you can't

1181
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: move past a certain player at at RB one two

1182
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 1: Wide Receiver one two, you kind of get the deal.

1183
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: And you can also experiment by going to fantasypros dot

1184
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,840
Speaker 1: com slash sheet and you can create those cheat sheets

1185
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,720
Speaker 1: where you could do something like I mentioned where instead

1186
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 1: of just having all these different tier just call it

1187
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: wide Receiver one and two and just make it real blanketed.

1188
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 1: Or you can get really granular, or you can do

1189
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: what these guys are doing. You can also add different

1190
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: analysts in to kind of create what the rank is.

1191
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,800
Speaker 1: Have some fun with it, set it up cheat sheets

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00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 1: oh r at fantasypros dot com slash sheet, or you

1193
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 1: can do it on the Fantasy Pros app that is

1194
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: going to do it. Fantastic job, guys, is kind of

1195
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 1: like a crazy construction of an episode. You guys killed

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00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: it for Tara and Pat. I'm Chris Wells. Thank you

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00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: guys for hanging out with us, and we'll talk to

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