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Speaker 1: And as we find in tonight's classic episode, multiple investigations

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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 3: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We're joyed as always with our

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Speaker 3: the subjects. So it no mystery there. But just think

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Speaker 3: about it, and again it makes so much sense. But

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Speaker 3: maybe when we're in the midst of struggling for the

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Speaker 3: every day, we forget this concept that if the system

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Speaker 3: that's set in place of control and power, it doesn't

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Speaker 3: work for everybody at least to an extent, you're going

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Speaker 3: to have problems with the subjugated.

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Speaker 1: Essentially true, and that applies, I mean, that's a macro

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Speaker 1: level view. I would argue it applies to the micro

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Speaker 1: level of individual human psychology. We are programmed, arguably hardwired

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Speaker 1: to avoid change until the pain of change becomes less

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Speaker 1: than the pain of the status quo.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: That's honestly, that's where rock bottom is described as sometimes

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Speaker 1: And now the question is do empires hit a rock bottom?

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Speaker 1: And I love that you bring up this quote, Matt,

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Speaker 1: because it clearly, it clearly points to that cost benefit

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Speaker 1: analysis that happens for every individual on any given date,

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Speaker 1: and ultimately for every nation, every civilization, every what do

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Speaker 1: we call it? Political unit? Here we go, that's the umbrella.

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Speaker 1: So now that we have this, we know that historically

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Speaker 1: there is a correlation, a dark butterfly effect, right of

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Speaker 1: an eruption and a country people have never visited leading

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Speaker 1: to the collapse of their day to day lives of civilization.

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Speaker 1: We have to ask ourselves where are we in media

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Speaker 1: arrests here because we're part of this story, and that

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Speaker 1: means that it's on us to figure out what happens

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Speaker 1: as disasters accelerate? What are we talking about. We'll tell

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Speaker 1: you after a word from our sponsor. So back to

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Speaker 1: natural disaster's fall of civilization. There's a huge elephant, an

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Speaker 1: enormous badger in the global bag or the room, and

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Speaker 1: it's simply this. If we have compelling evidence that natural

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Speaker 1: disasters can lead to violent revolution, then what can we

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Speaker 1: extrapolate from this information in a world where the frequency

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Speaker 1: of some natural disasters is provably inarguably accelerating.

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Speaker 4: So just to kind of break it down a little bit,

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Speaker 4: if floods and famine lead to violence and instability, and

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Speaker 4: floods and famine both seem set to happen, then we

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Speaker 4: can assume violence and instability in turn will accompany it.

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Speaker 4: That is the hypothesis here, and it would seem it

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Speaker 4: is a correct hypothesis at least based on these patterns

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Speaker 4: that we've been looking at. So a topical paper from

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Speaker 4: the Independent Evaluation of Asian Development Bank. Then I believe

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Speaker 4: you gave this one high marks for its awkward name,

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Speaker 4: but high levels of rigor and its research. This paper

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Speaker 4: showed that climate related disasters are indeed on the rise,

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Speaker 4: specifically as such and here's a quote from the paper

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Speaker 4: Intense climate related disasters. Floods, storms, droughts, and heat waves

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Speaker 4: have been on the rise worldwide. At the same time

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Speaker 4: and coupled with an increasing concentration of greenhouse gases in

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Speaker 4: the atmosphere, temperature on average has been rising, have been

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Speaker 4: Temperatures have been rising and are becoming this yes, enmeshed,

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Speaker 4: and are becoming more variable and more extreme. I think

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Speaker 4: even just observationally, we've all seen that here in Georgia,

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Speaker 4: summers are hotter, winters feel colder from year to year.

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Speaker 4: I don't think there's any question about that. Just from

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Speaker 4: like going outside, Temperatures on average have been rising and

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Speaker 4: are becoming more variable and more extreme. Rainfall has also

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Speaker 4: been more variable and more extreme. And it goes on

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Speaker 4: to consider some main risk factors behind these these observable features.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, one of the biggest problems is so many people

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Speaker 3: live near a coast, and when you've got natural disasters,

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Speaker 3: many of them being generated you know, out in the

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Speaker 3: ocean and then making their way in, that's a problem

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Speaker 3: when there's so many people concentrated along the shores of

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Speaker 3: that ocean. That is a especially in the especially in

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Speaker 3: the case of hurricanes. You've got a hurricane generator. It's

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Speaker 3: just out there a little bit and you're right next

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Speaker 3: to it.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and then and then consider So there's important

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Speaker 1: point in this examination this paper the phrase more variable

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Speaker 1: and more extreme. Right, having too much water can be

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Speaker 1: as dangerous as not having enough. We we're seeing ongoing

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Speaker 1: transformation of ecosystems, right, desertification of some areas. But then

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Speaker 1: we're also seeing areas transform in terms of monsoon frequency

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Speaker 1: and cadence, which is enormously dangerous because these are, to

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Speaker 1: your point, Matt, heavily populated areas historically in the span

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Speaker 1: of human civilization in the first few seasons. Of course,

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Speaker 1: you want your characters to live by a coast. There

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Speaker 1: are immense resources there, and now that's coming back to

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Speaker 1: bite us. So there is rising population exposure. There's also

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Speaker 1: greater population vulnerability with If you are listening to this

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Speaker 1: the year that we recorded in twenty twenty, then the

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Speaker 1: odds are that you are going to be alive when

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Speaker 1: regions of Earth become uninhabitable without technology, and we're going

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Speaker 1: to see a rise of a new kind of inequality.

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Speaker 1: Climate change will not really be an argument. It will

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Speaker 1: be something that people all acknowledge, and people who deny

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Speaker 1: it will be seeing the way that folks look at

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Speaker 1: flat earthers today. People will be talking more about climate

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Speaker 1: in equality because think about this, all right, So the

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Speaker 1: Middle East big, like the empty quarter of Saudi Arabia, inhospitable,

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Speaker 1: already very very hot, very arid. It's tough to live

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Speaker 1: there without technology. Right, It's tough to live in a

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Speaker 1: lot of places in the Middle East without technology. Now,

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Speaker 1: consider that the temperature increases that we're reaching, like the

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Speaker 1: what's called the wet bulb temperature increases. That means that

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Speaker 1: the temperature is so hot that your insides are essentially

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Speaker 1: cooking and will and you will be dead within hours

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Speaker 1: if you are outside. What does this mean for the

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Speaker 1: people who can afford air conditioning versus the people who cannot.

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Speaker 1: It is literally a matter of life and death. And

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Speaker 1: it will happen within your lifetime, hopefully not to you,

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Speaker 1: hopefully not to any of your loved ones. But the

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Speaker 1: math is there, and the math is frightening. The next question,

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Speaker 1: what does this mean for everybody? Because you might think,

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Speaker 1: just like the people back during the Late Bronze Age,

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Speaker 1: even if they were aware of iceland, which I don't

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Speaker 1: think they were. But you may think, well, I live

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Speaker 1: in I live in Chicago or something. I live in

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Speaker 1: the interior of Canada, so I don't have to really

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Speaker 1: worry about rising coastlines, and if the temperature rises, it'll

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Speaker 1: still be livable because the area where I live is

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Speaker 1: seasonally very cold. The problem still exists because if these

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Speaker 1: predictions are correct, then the next several decades may well

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Speaker 1: be defined by periods of widespread, violent conflict. You know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. You don't have to be in an

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Speaker 1: uninhabitable part of Florida for your for your day to

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Speaker 1: day life to be affected by the collapse of the

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Speaker 1: United States. I'm being very dystopian. I'm not saying that'll happen.

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Speaker 3: Well, you you are being dystopian, but it's also almost

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Speaker 3: it's almost the cold hard facts of what will happen

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Speaker 3: if we can we continue to see a rise in

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Speaker 3: the variability and extreme nature of the natural disasters that

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Speaker 3: are headed our way. Because we're not just talking about flooding,

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Speaker 3: We're not just talking about drought. We're talking about not

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Speaker 3: being able to grow crops and not being able to

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Speaker 3: feed everyone. And it doesn't matter if there's a Kroger

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Speaker 3: or a what uh piggly wiggly down the street from you,

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Speaker 3: if there are no suppliers of food getting food to

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Speaker 3: that pigley wiggly.

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Speaker 4: But why the the aversion to accepting climate science, Like

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Speaker 4: if this literally means the downfall of civilization as we

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Speaker 4: know it. Even people in power and giant corporations that

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Speaker 4: seem to be the ones that are pushing for these

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Speaker 4: kinds of deregulations to sell more you know, oil or whatever,

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Speaker 4: even that seems short sighted because if there's no people

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Speaker 4: that are alive to drive cars, you know, who's going

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Speaker 4: to buy their product? Like the whole focusing on today

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Speaker 4: rather than tomorrow just seems obviously it's unsustainable, but just

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Speaker 4: seems shortsighted, even in a greed way, like don't you

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Speaker 4: want to make more money off people? Shouldn't we figure

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Speaker 4: out how to sustain this crazy thing we call the

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Speaker 4: human race so that we can keep selling them.

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Speaker 1: It's a cost benefit analysis for sure, because there are

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Speaker 1: several conspiracies here. First, many multinational conglomerations knew about this,

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Speaker 1: They knew it was coming right, They even funded some

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Speaker 1: of the studies that proved it to be the case.

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Speaker 1: And then they just didn't talk about it. Instead, they

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Speaker 1: quietly began working on new revenue streams.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: We it's tough because we're asking about self interest, and

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Speaker 1: whenever we ask about self interest, we have to remember

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Speaker 1: that every human being is capable of very dangerous things.

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Speaker 1: And one of the biggest, most dangerous things that every

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Speaker 1: human being is capable of is phenomenal rationalization. It's a

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Speaker 1: mental Parker, Right. No one thinks they're the bad guy.

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Speaker 1: I'm the you know, like I'm one of those Captain

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Speaker 1: Planet Villain CEOs and I'm saying, well, really, what I'm

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Speaker 1: doing is helping everybody, if you think about it, right,

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Speaker 1: And that's exactly That's exactly what happens. And it only

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Speaker 1: works as long as those institutions are considered effective. Right, So,

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Speaker 1: in terms of a corporation or company, the institution is

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Speaker 1: considered effective if it remains profitable. So once it becomes

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Speaker 1: less profitable for these kind of like mad cap adventures

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Speaker 1: to continue, then of course they're going to turn their

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Speaker 1: sales and head to a different direction. What's happening now

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Speaker 1: To answer your question directly, in my opinion, this is

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Speaker 1: just my opinion. It's happening now as far as denial

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Speaker 1: of climate science is a conspiracy because the people who

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Speaker 1: funded the studies that revealed a lot of these problems

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Speaker 1: went on to fund Burnet's level PR campaigns to denigrate

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Speaker 1: anybody who was pointing out the facts or to shift

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Speaker 1: the blame at the very least, when we talked about

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Speaker 1: plastics and the idea ever cycling, this all PR to

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Speaker 1: shift the blame and the responsibility to consumers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and shout out to our episode with Amy Westervelt

611
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Speaker 3: where we went into depth on on this very subject.

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Speaker 3: Check that oen out if you want to learn more

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Speaker 3: about that. What Ben was speaking about the companies knowing

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Speaker 3: and willingly uh forgetting that those studies exist, their own

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Speaker 3: studies that they were funding.

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Speaker 4: Wait, what's that?

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Speaker 1: It reminds you there's a quote I saw online recently.

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Speaker 1: It was pretty great. It was just a fake headline

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Speaker 1: where it said, h you can leave the door open

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Speaker 1: a little bit according to new study by mosquitoes. We

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Speaker 1: didn't write that, but that's like, you know, cats can

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Speaker 1: have a little slammy according to new study.

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Speaker 4: Bys just for a treat, just for a tree.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, that's where we're at, you know, and these

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Speaker 1: conspiracies are there are conspiracies that we can then logically

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Speaker 1: assume are occurring because the powers that be or the

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Speaker 1: forces that we're aware of this before the average Jane

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Speaker 1: or John or Joe or whatever. Those forces are planning

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Speaker 1: in self interest. There are plans to make sure that

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Speaker 1: these folks or their institutions, or their loved ones or

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Speaker 1: what have you, are able to find a livable place

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Speaker 1: that they do always have clean water and ac And

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Speaker 1: I don't think we should have a problem with that.

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Speaker 1: I just think it should apply to everybody. And maybe

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Speaker 1: that's Pollyanna or whatever. But the truth of the matter is,

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Speaker 1: we are going to see, we are already seen. We

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Speaker 1: are going to see a massive rise in migration. People

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Speaker 1: like the ones you mentioned, Matt, the populations living in

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Speaker 1: the equator, living on coastlines, are going to desperately search

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Speaker 1: for an escape from increasingly uninhabitable regions of the world.

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Speaker 1: And the governments in place, and you know what, let's

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Speaker 1: throw in, throw in the the corporations, let's throw in

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Speaker 1: whatever kind of governing structure you want. The ones that

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Speaker 1: are in place, many will be rendered either powerless, corrupt,

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Speaker 1: or ineffective in combating this. And when those institutions erode,

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Speaker 1: We're going to lose faith in authority. Why why should I?

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Speaker 1: Why should I pay taxes? The world's burning down.

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Speaker 4: I already got to feel that way. I don't feel

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Speaker 4: like I get much benefit from the tax that I pay,

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Speaker 4: you know, in terms of direct impact in my day

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Speaker 4: to day life. You know, I still have garbage healthcare,

652
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Speaker 4: you know. I mean, I don't want to sound like

653
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Speaker 4: some kind of bleeding heart liberal comedy or something like that,

654
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Speaker 4: but I honestly don't know where my tax money goes,

655
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Speaker 4: and it certainly doesn't seem to go anywhere that actually

656
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Speaker 4: helps me or my family.

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Speaker 3: That's interesting that you say that and old because what

658
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Speaker 3: we we have seen historically through some really interesting studies

659
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Speaker 3: and an article that was published in Ours Technica about

660
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Speaker 3: some studies that we're looking at that correlation that we've

661
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Speaker 3: been talking about this whole episode natural disasters and how

662
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Speaker 3: violence erupts because of or as a partial effect of

663
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Speaker 3: that natural disaster. We've seen that the way a government

664
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Speaker 3: or a governing institution responds to a natural disaster and

665
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Speaker 3: the effects of it can have a may It can

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Speaker 3: play a major role in the outcome. Even if there

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Speaker 3: is a violent conflict that begins that response can temper it,

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Speaker 3: stop it, or full nent it.

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Speaker 4: Can we just address the elephant in the room real quick.

670
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Speaker 4: I mean, is a virus a natural disaster? So sure

671
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Speaker 4: we're in this and and and the way the government

672
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Speaker 4: is or is not handling this, and the people's positions

673
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Speaker 4: on how it was or was not handled is going

674
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Speaker 4: to have an impact.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, Matt, Matt brought this up at the top

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Speaker 1: with that definition of what is a natural disaster, It's

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Speaker 1: always been an epidemic or a pandemic. And again, the

678
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Speaker 1: only option that human beings have is generally going to

679
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Speaker 1: be to respond an attempt to mitigate. Matt, your note

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Speaker 1: brings up two examples. I think we talked a little

681
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Speaker 1: bit about this off air. There's an example in ancient Egypt.

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Speaker 1: There's an example in a relatively recent US history. Well,

683
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Speaker 1: you know, all US history is relatively recent so far.

684
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Speaker 1: FDR attempting to mitigate the Great Depression unquestionably did some

685
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Speaker 1: dictator stuff. It's just true. It doesn't matter if you

686
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Speaker 1: love him or hate him. He did a lot of

687
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Speaker 1: good things, and he did a lot of things that

688
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Speaker 1: were governmentally speaking illegal. If we look at older examples.

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Speaker 1: Then we see a really compelling one in Egypt during

690
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Speaker 1: the forties and the thirties BCE. We see a government

691
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Speaker 1: response to mass starvation, to plague, to run away inflation

692
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Speaker 1: which people have always hated apparently, and Cleopatra queen like, yes,

693
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Speaker 1: that Cleopatra was instrumental in quelling a revolt. She quelled

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Speaker 1: this revolt that was, you know, inarguably caused in part

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Speaker 1: by natural disaster. She quelled it not by killing all

696
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Speaker 1: the protesters or something like that. She quelled it by

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Speaker 1: going I guess, I guess we would say she went protectionist.

698
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Speaker 1: I guess we could say, by our modern framework, which

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Speaker 1: doesn't really apply, we could say that she took actions

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Speaker 1: that would be described as socialists. So she was both

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Speaker 1: with authoritarian and socialists at the same You see what

702
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Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like it's it's weird to put those boxes in.

703
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Speaker 1: But she offered grain relief, like gave people free food.

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Speaker 1: And then she banned all exports of food, which is cute.

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Speaker 1: Like imagine someone saying that. Imagine someone saying, like the

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Speaker 1: US or China or any country, guatemalaut baton, whatever, people

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Speaker 1: wouldn't ban food exports.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, absolutely, not, because again you're talking about money

709
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Speaker 3: coming in, and what's the difference between money and grain, right,

710
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Speaker 3: you can eat grain, you got to trade that money

711
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Speaker 3: for something. And if everybody that you have direct connection

712
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Speaker 3: to is dealing with drought conditions or in their in

713
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Speaker 3: their case, it was natural disasters that caused the Nile

714
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Speaker 3: River to not flood as much, so so that those

715
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Speaker 3: floodwaters generally would be used to make the ground fertile

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Speaker 3: for growing things. And when those floodwaters weren't coming in,

717
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Speaker 3: it's very difficult to grow things, almost impossible in a

718
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Speaker 3: lot of places. And if you've got a stack of

719
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Speaker 3: cash and no grain and nobody's got grain, then you're

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Speaker 3: out of luck. So it was actually a really smart

721
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Speaker 3: thing to do. And I love what you're talking about there, Ben,

722
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Speaker 3: just how interesting it is to consider it a socialist move,

723
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Speaker 3: but how smart it was and how it was really

724
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Speaker 3: the only thing you could do. We've got grains here,

725
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Speaker 3: it's just we the state essentially controls them. And do

726
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Speaker 3: we hold those for future need or power or do

727
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Speaker 3: we begin doling them out and helping everyone.

728
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Speaker 4: Well, full dystopian scenario like the coasts of the country,

729
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Speaker 4: like fall into the sea, or become uninhabitable, and those

730
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Speaker 4: people start going inland, but we can't sustain them. We

731
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Speaker 4: don't have enough supplies to sustain them or enough infrastructure

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Speaker 4: sustain them. Do we like wall them out?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 4: What, what's the worst case scenario in that situation?

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Speaker 1: Well, how how far down the barrel do you want

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Speaker 1: to go?

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Speaker 4: Man, it's it's a medium dystopia. But this is a

738
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Speaker 4: thing like, we can't there isn't another California to put

739
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Speaker 4: California in, you know, And if you can't live there,

740
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Speaker 4: where do you go?

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Speaker 1: Well, it would in the case of the US, it

742
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Speaker 1: would require a dramatic fundamental change in the policy of

743
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Speaker 1: the country, and maybe not maybe not a good one

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Speaker 1: because I want to be clear with that Egyptian example

745
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Speaker 1: from thousands of years ago. I'm not coming out and

746
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Speaker 1: saying like socialism would be the answer, because God knows,

747
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Speaker 1: there were a lot of a lot of countries that

748
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Speaker 1: did go full socialist and it did not work out.

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Speaker 1: We still haven't found the best solution for managing large

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Speaker 1: groups of people. The medium dystopian would be something like, Okay,

751
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Speaker 1: let's say parts of the southwest, parts of the southeast

752
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Speaker 1: become uninhabitable without the constant implementation of technology. You always

753
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Speaker 1: have to have the ac or you will die something

754
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Speaker 1: like that. So those people have to move somewhere. Let's

755
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Speaker 1: make it medium high dystopia and say that also the

756
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Speaker 1: San Andreas fault goes, and so we have one of

757
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Speaker 1: the most populous states in the country turned into a

758
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Speaker 1: chaotic disaster zone. All of those people from those three

759
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Speaker 1: areas we just name, they have to go somewhere. The

760
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Speaker 1: good news for the US is that it has a huge,

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Speaker 1: relatively sparsely populated interior. So if we're just thinking like

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Speaker 1: rules and red tape aside, where those people go. They

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Speaker 1: go inland and they begin to populate places like South

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Speaker 1: Dakota or North Dakota, you know, which only have a

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Speaker 1: population in the hundreds of thousands.

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Speaker 4: Right now, that's a really good point, Ben, I was

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Speaker 4: thinking of that in the back of my mind. But okay,

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Speaker 4: well that's I like that that. I mean, obviously we

769
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Speaker 4: don't want the fault to erupt or whatever, but I

770
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Speaker 4: like the at least people aren't gonna just drown or

771
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Speaker 4: be walled out in no man's lands.

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Speaker 3: But the migration is only half the battle. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I hate going back to this all the time. But

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Speaker 3: then food and water are your priorities. And you know,

775
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Speaker 3: if you're talking about problems with water. We've discussed before

776
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Speaker 3: the water wars that are inevitable that are headed our way.

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Speaker 3: If you look at something as recent as the past

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Speaker 3: I think month in a couple parts of Mexico where

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Speaker 3: there are disputes between water trade. Essentially that's happening between

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Speaker 3: the United States and Mexico where certain areas of Texas

781
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Speaker 3: and water to Mexico, certain areas of Mexico send water

782
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Speaker 3: to Texas. And very recently we're gonna hopefully talk about

783
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Speaker 3: this in an upcoming episode, but a group a group

784
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Speaker 3: of farmers went to a dam in Mexico and took

785
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Speaker 3: over the dam and they prevented water in the river

786
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Speaker 3: from flowing to Texas so that they could keep it

787
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Speaker 3: because they were experiencing drought they needed water.

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Speaker 4: Wellack, we have that with in Georgia, with the tri

789
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Speaker 4: state water wars with Alabama and Florida. We've been seeing

790
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Speaker 4: those conflicts for years. Well yeah, only one river.

791
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but in this case, we're talking about farmers who

792
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Speaker 3: armed themselves to go take over a dam, right, yeah, Well,

793
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Speaker 3: that's what we're talking about here though, violent conflict, where

794
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Speaker 3: where on the individual level the decision is made if

795
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Speaker 3: I do not act, myself or my family is in jeopardy.

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Speaker 3: That's really what we're getting to here. That's when if

797
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Speaker 3: the individual is deciding that, and there are enough individuals,

798
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Speaker 3: it becomes an uprising of a sort, or a revolt

799
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Speaker 3: or a revolution, or you know, fighting back against something

800
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Speaker 3: that is seen as deciding to wield control over a group. Right,

801
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Speaker 3: it's just it's scary.

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Speaker 1: We also we also, in this medium spicy dystopian scenario,

803
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: would inevitably see regardless of which country this occurred in,

804
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Speaker 1: we would inevitably see a rise in militarism. Maybe not

805
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Speaker 1: for the reasons you think. First yes, obviously to protect

806
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: against adjacent countries invading for increasingly sparse resources. But secondly,

807
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: because it's a solid job for people to get. It

808
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: provides shelter, it provides food, it provides a degree of

809
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Speaker 1: safety from whatever crazy social programs will be instituted.

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Speaker 3: Right.

811
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Speaker 1: And then the next thing we'll see, of course, which

812
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:14,359
Speaker 1: we're already seeing, is dehumanization of people based on their location. Right,

813
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 1: So like it has happened, It's not some nuts theory

814
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Speaker 1: and it's not left wing or right wing. Like. Think

815
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Speaker 1: about I'm sure I'm sure many of us listening you

816
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Speaker 1: had to read the Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck

817
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Speaker 1: based on real events, right think about how dehumanized the

818
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Speaker 1: people from Oklahoma were. The whole reason they were treated

819
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Speaker 1: is less than human was because they were from Oklahoma

820
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Speaker 1: at a time when being from Oklahoma sucked. They were

821
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Speaker 1: called okie's not people.

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Speaker 3: It's hard to wrap my head around that.

823
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Speaker 4: It is.

824
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Speaker 3: Indeed, hey, shut out to all you okies out there.

825
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Speaker 1: Oh gosh, well, Oklahoma is a is a beautiful state. Honestly,

826
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Speaker 1: I would I don't know, guys, I'm mistraveling. Should we

827
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Speaker 1: try to get back on the road before the collapse

828
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Speaker 1: of civilization? This is such an optimistic episode. We're past

829
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Speaker 1: the tipping point. Disasters are on the rise. The only

830
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Speaker 1: question now is the same questions as the talking heads

831
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Speaker 1: would say, same as it ever was, how will humanity respond?

832
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Speaker 3: What should we do?

833
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Speaker 1: We've seen a bunch of different We seen a bunch

834
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Speaker 1: of different good faith attempts to preserve empires, civilizations, community

835
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Speaker 1: units during times of natural disaster, which we are in.

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Speaker 1: We have not seen anything that's one hundred percent successfully reproducible.

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Speaker 1: And that counts the far left stuff, the far right stuff,

838
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Speaker 1: the crazy absolute power monarch just doing weird things. We

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Speaker 1: don't have an answer, and we are standing on the

840
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Speaker 1: train tracks, arguing often semantic in public discourse, while the

841
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 1: train is coming for us and not slowing down. Okay,

842
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: we need a positive note to end this.

843
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Speaker 3: On Oh, Oklahoma, where the wind comes sweeping the.

844
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Speaker 4: Place, bens and the way, and then when the rain.

845
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Speaker 3: No droughts not.

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Speaker 4: That's okay, y'all went fine, Oklahoma, Oklahoma.

847
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Speaker 5: Okay, that's a perfect actually perfect thank you guys made

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Speaker 5: my day. First, if you're listening, if you enjoyed that

849
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Speaker 5: half as much as I did, then I think I

850
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Speaker 5: think this may be a high point of your day.

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Speaker 1: We want to know what you think. By the way,

852
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Speaker 1: are you someone who has figured out a response to

853
00:56:54,560 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 1: these things? Again, people too often get mired down in

854
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 1: misleading labels and discourse. Natural disasters do not care really

855
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: about any your personal information and your beliefs. They do

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Speaker 1: not matter.

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Speaker 4: Really.

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Speaker 1: The only thing it matters immediately is your location. But

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Speaker 1: then as we see past a certain threshold, your location

860
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: doesn't super matter either. You'll still be affected. So what

861
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Speaker 1: are the answers? We're asking for help?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, help us save you know, humanity. Okay, you can

863
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 3: find us and write to us and give us your

864
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 3: thoughts in many a place across the internet. Firstly, we

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Speaker 3: are on Facebook and Twitter at Conspiracy Stuff. On Instagram,

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Speaker 3: we are at Conspiracy Stuff show.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and you also could find us on our favorite

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Speaker 4: place on the internet, the Here's where it gets Crazy

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Speaker 4: Facebook group, where all you have to do is answer

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Speaker 4: a simple question, which is the naming one or two

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Speaker 4: or three or anybody associated with the show. Ben always says,

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Speaker 4: you can also just make us laugh, and I say,

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Speaker 4: you can make a reference to something, let us know

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Speaker 4: you're not a Russian bot. Whenever we approve people coming

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Speaker 4: into the group, these go away, and occasionally we'll all

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Speaker 4: screenshot the ones that we think are noteworthy. This one here,

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Speaker 4: Matt Ben nole, security should be fixed. I was using

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Speaker 4: Spanish knowing that Matt's wife is Cuban and that it

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Speaker 4: might be indecipherable to a hacker or bot.

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Speaker 3: Wow. Nice, How did you know that? Have I talked

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Speaker 3: about that?

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Speaker 4: This is actually?

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Speaker 3: How much do people know about my life?

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Speaker 4: Too much?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Are you not on the blog. Do you not read

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Speaker 1: the blog anymore?

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Speaker 3: I see it sometimes. I try to stay off of Facebook,

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Speaker 3: as I hope you do. But if you don't and

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Speaker 3: you do like Facebook, then go there. That's the right

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Speaker 3: place to go.

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Speaker 1: The blog is watchmatt Sleeping dot org. It is a nonprofit.

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Speaker 4: Brought to you by simply Safe Home Security.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I knew there were cameras all over the house.

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Speaker 3: Uh my phone was bugged.

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Speaker 4: But geez, you didn't know about this one, did you?

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Speaker 3: Baby? Thanks You guys really means a lot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, Yeah, we just want to keep an eye

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Speaker 1: on you. The NSA intern Steve gave us that idea. Uh,

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Speaker 1: so shout out to him. Uh And if you don't

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Speaker 1: want to uh interact on social media, as Matt said,

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Speaker 1: we one percent get it. You can give us a

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Speaker 1: call toll free. I remember when people used to say

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Speaker 1: toll free, back when there were tools like that. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: we're in totll free. We're one eight three three st

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Speaker 1: d wytk uh speak your piece, speak your mind, give

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Speaker 1: us suggestions for topics. React to this topic. Uh, you

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Speaker 1: know the time is yours, conspiracy realist. The only thing

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Speaker 1: we ask is that you let us know whether or

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Speaker 1: not you are comfortable with us using your name or

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Speaker 1: your voice on the air.

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Speaker 3: That's right, hey, And guess what I have the best

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Speaker 3: news for you all. The YouTube channel is going strong

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Speaker 3: right now. You will see new videos posted there all

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Speaker 3: the time. And by the way, this weekend, as we're

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Speaker 3: recording this, we realized that our documentary short, one called

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Speaker 3: etchten Secret the Georgia Guidestones, was just hanging out on

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Speaker 3: the old YouTube channel, and guess what, we published it.

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Speaker 3: And if you want to watch that, you can head

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Speaker 3: over to YouTube dot com slash conspiracy stuff right now.

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Speaker 3: You can watch Nol's face talk about the Georgia guidestones

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Speaker 3: and you can hear Ben's sweet voiceover that you've been missing.

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Speaker 3: You can hear it right now. Just go to YouTube

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Speaker 3: dot com slash conspiracy stuff.

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Speaker 4: Dare we say, bearded face and dulcet tones.

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Speaker 1: And while you're there, I tell you what's been making

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Speaker 1: my day on that in particular, is the all the

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Speaker 1: crow comments, all the corvid not COVID stories from ore

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Speaker 1: a weird news piece which was really just an excuse

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Speaker 1: for me to talk about crows. But cherry crow stories.

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Speaker 3: You guys, I speaking of crow stories I dropped my

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Speaker 3: son off at school this morning. Yeah, and as I'm leaving,

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Speaker 3: I'm going through a little neighborhood to get out of

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Speaker 3: the school area, a massive group of crows corvids. They

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Speaker 3: ton I'm gonna estimate three dozen, four dozen, and they

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Speaker 3: were all I looked to be gathering food of some

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Speaker 3: this before, but there's an awareness that when a car's

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Speaker 3: a street so that the cars can do their thing

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Speaker 3: and they can get their food. They were doing that

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Speaker 3: this morning.

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Speaker 1: Amazing, amazing, you found a crow convention. You went to

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Speaker 1: cro con accidentally?

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Speaker 4: You know you sent them, Ben, don't be boy well.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of speaking of sending things, if you don't care

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Speaker 1: for phones, if you don't care for social media, and

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Speaker 1: your wija board is broken or whatever, never fear. There

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Speaker 1: is one way that you can always contact us twenty

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Speaker 1: four to seven. Send us a good old fashioned email.

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Speaker 4: We are conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com.

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Speaker 3: Stuff they don't want you to know is a production

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