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Speaker 2: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 3: Every comes in and he's like, yes, don't tell anybody,

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Speaker 3: but I just heard from since you did the birl's

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Speaker 2: You hear Dan Roach like talking.

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Speaker 3: About, Hey, you know, I just heard from Mike Petragli

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Speaker 3: and he said.

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Speaker 1: Everybody, you know, maybe our football teams listening, but they

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Speaker 1: thought this is the game because they're not worried about

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Speaker 1: the Patriots pass rush. Put that idea where he was

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Speaker 1: going the bulletin board.

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Speaker 4: Thank god, sister, she took care of the grandkids. There

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Speaker 4: you go, Mom and dad.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're going to be the worst uncle ever A dad.

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Speaker 4: Great uncle. Thank you.

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Speaker 5: Daddy's gotta watch film.

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Speaker 1: This is called Nickel until even gave me a hard

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Speaker 1: drive Christmas.

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Speaker 5: She hate her too.

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Speaker 1: I I haven't heard her.

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Speaker 5: What it was on the same thing, what shows on

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Speaker 5: the very same thing NFL Live. I have no idea,

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Speaker 5: but you are doing right now what Steven A. Smith

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Speaker 5: is accusing Drake may have doing being intentional.

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Speaker 1: At time, I don't even know, yes he does.

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Speaker 6: It's on the Twitter now he's calling me a liar.

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Speaker 5: I didn't say that you're a liar, said you're being

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Speaker 5: intentionally I had.

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Speaker 4: You have to go out of your way to not

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Speaker 1: I know Sanders had a really horrible game. I didn't

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Speaker 1: see it, but he never played with the service before.

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Speaker 1: It was just awful.

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here

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Speaker 1: at Jillette Stadium, and we are ten and two. When

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Speaker 1: I say we, I mean the Patriots. But that's we.

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Speaker 1: So that's that's the good news. The good news is

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Speaker 1: we got out of where will be Cincinnati with a win,

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Speaker 1: but not unscathed. So we are officially into the grind

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Speaker 1: of the NFL season, last five game stretch. We still

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Speaker 1: haven't had our buy and so we saw some injuries

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Speaker 1: on Sunday, and that seems to be the big topic

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Speaker 1: coming out of it. But I don't think it should be. No,

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Speaker 1: I really don't. I think the fact that this pain

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Speaker 1: this team is ten and two, they're at least one

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Speaker 1: if not two years ahead of schedule. They've got this

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Speaker 1: young quarterback who we need to talk about how we

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Speaker 1: started the game. We do need to talk about that.

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Speaker 1: But I think, I think this is a team set

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Speaker 1: up that at least in the near term, we'll be

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Speaker 1: able to weather the grind.

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Speaker 7: I hope.

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Speaker 3: So, I mean, I you know, I look, it felt

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Speaker 3: to me like this is a team kind of limp

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Speaker 3: is it going to look now when we get to

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Speaker 3: Monday night. Can they somehow just find some energy somehow,

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Speaker 3: you know, not get to the giants yet.

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Speaker 2: But they got run all over. They've gotten run all

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Speaker 2: over again.

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Speaker 3: We're talking about another historically bad element of a defense

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Speaker 3: like we did last week. It didn't matter last week,

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Speaker 1: It took a lot. While I think they obviously left

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Speaker 1: Early Drake just was off for whatever reason. He was

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Speaker 3: Do you have any theory on that though, Like he

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Speaker 4: a LEA were talking about the pick six.

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Speaker 1: Oh, the pick six. I wasn't talking about that play,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So that's okay, So the pick six. You know,

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Speaker 4: I think the play was designed to throw it out

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Speaker 4: I think what ended up happening is, you know, hunter,

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Speaker 1: But no, it went right over his head. So it

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Speaker 4: Front of him. No, it was a little behind him.

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Speaker 4: I'm just saying that that could have if you want

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Speaker 4: he's allowed to have a bad throw like it's not

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Speaker 4: Now the quarterback just goes, especially young quarterback, just goes

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Speaker 4: And and he didn't.

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Speaker 1: So I don't think even the rest of the day,

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Speaker 1: I don't think he was that accurate. But he did

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Speaker 6: To made enough plays to win the game.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, which I think is a testament to him

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Speaker 5: and the team for showing the toughness that they've shown

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Speaker 5: I think in all twelve games.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, really yeah, I mean a game start a

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Speaker 3: And were they doing like a close up of the

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Speaker 4: The third play, of the game when Jared Wilson went

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Speaker 4: was more about like his actual doing a little of this. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that could be part of it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But the other thing that we need to talk about

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Speaker 1: is this red zone offense. Many how many times did

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Speaker 1: they have inside the like at least seven opportunities inside

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Speaker 4: Well, if you can bin the two red zone drives,

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Speaker 4: but we can talk about the red zones.

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Speaker 5: I have a different tone on the red zone specific

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Speaker 5: I think the red zone problem was specific to this game.

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Speaker 5: I don't think this has been a major problem all year,

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Speaker 5: but evidently everybody else does well.

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Speaker 4: They're twentieth in red zone offense.

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Speaker 6: Okay, so I'm wrong.

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Speaker 4: But at the same time, and I thought, I think

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Speaker 4: very arbitrary like when you're inside the twenty, like it, Like,

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Speaker 4: we still score a touchdown. I don't like that argument, right, So, like,

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Speaker 4: I hear what he's saying with that. But their goal

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Speaker 4: to go red zone offense in Tampa struggled a little bit. Now,

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Speaker 4: It's an RPO. I thought he probably should have kept

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Speaker 2: But still nobody nobody.

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Speaker 6: Think it wasn't Will Campbell's fault. He blocked the guy.

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Speaker 4: You know, Fred that one of the pole runner. So

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Speaker 4: So now that they have is this is the pole runner.

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Speaker 1: Great Catch twenty two.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, were doing a crossover episode.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah, that's that's the parlance.

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Speaker 1: So they managed, they figured out how to win. They

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Speaker 1: That's the most important part. They're ten and two. They're

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Speaker 6: Yeah, they played more games than everybody else.

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Speaker 1: Okay, technically okay, but even looking ahead, Denver seems you know,

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Speaker 1: So if we can take care of business and win

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Speaker 2: A home field game.

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Speaker 4: Or the Commanders the five cupcake team, So they have

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Speaker 6: Three tough games, four tough.

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Speaker 4: Games and two cupcakes. Who Jacks, Packers, Jags, Chiefs, Chargers,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I don't know how good the charge are

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Speaker 5: You know, it's it's conventional wisdom now that Baltimore stinks.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm worried about the Giants game this week.

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Speaker 1: I'm not worried about You're not worried about it. No,

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Speaker 5: Well, there's always a way you can lose a game. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Did you think there was a way they lose the

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Speaker 1: You were more worried about Cincinnati than the Giants.

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Speaker 5: Significantly more interesting not me. I mean, I respect Cincinnati's talent.

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Speaker 5: I don't think the Giants none of it was on

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Speaker 5: But I think that if you have take T Higgins

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Speaker 1: But the Giants have been scoring points, right, they lose

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Speaker 6: Leads, They've blown a lot of leads.

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Speaker 5: That is correct five times to score leads in the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they got rid of amazing defensive coordinator. So do

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Speaker 2: I don't know if that's a thing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you can lose any game in the league.

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Speaker 1: And what about the spot.

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Speaker 5: You know, you've played great spot for the people played.

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Speaker 1: Thirteen games in a row, so they got to buy ahead.

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Speaker 5: the advantage. It's a good spot for you.

443
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I'd like to get

444
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Speaker 1: other opinions on that.

445
00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,960
Speaker 2: The piece for me is Winston gonna players are gonna

446
00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:44,280
Speaker 2: be Dart.

447
00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,720
Speaker 5: That's what would you rather face? The Patriots?

448
00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,960
Speaker 1: Winston me too, a hundred times over.

449
00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:52,439
Speaker 5: Really, and I know him, I don't know.

450
00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:53,800
Speaker 2: I was leaning Dart, to be honest.

451
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Speaker 5: Before you see dark and run around make plays and

452
00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:57,840
Speaker 5: you never know, he might have one of those wild

453
00:19:57,840 --> 00:19:59,840
Speaker 5: games where he makes some plays with his feet and

454
00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,359
Speaker 5: all of a sudden he's in it. Jameis Winston's going

455
00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:04,359
Speaker 5: to give you three or four opportunities every game. You

456
00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,920
Speaker 5: know that that's his history. I don't know what Dart's

457
00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:09,280
Speaker 5: going to do because I don't I don't know why.

458
00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,600
Speaker 4: I mean, they also scored fourteen points on two trick

459
00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:16,000
Speaker 4: plays against the Lions. I'm with you, guys. I actually

460
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,919
Speaker 4: I watched Dart was it the Bears game was his

461
00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,159
Speaker 4: last game, I think before he got hurt. I was

462
00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:21,920
Speaker 4: pretty impressed.

463
00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:23,440
Speaker 6: He's played pretty well.

464
00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:27,359
Speaker 4: Now, A lot of it is quarterback run stuff, and

465
00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,080
Speaker 4: that's he's not going to last. That's why he's constantly

466
00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,320
Speaker 4: in concussion protocol, so that that's maybe that gets taken

467
00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:35,800
Speaker 4: off the table when he comes back from this concussion,

468
00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,679
Speaker 4: and that limits them. I mean they're running like, you know,

469
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Speaker 4: like QB counter and like they're like running him by design,

470
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Speaker 4: and I don't think he's going to be able to

471
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Speaker 4: hold up. But his like play extension, his ability, his

472
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Speaker 4: downfield you know, passing pretty good, pretty good.

473
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I agree, I think I'd rather have Jameis Winston.

474
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Speaker 1: But getting back to my opening monologue, I think that

475
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Speaker 1: this is a tough stretch here for the team in

476
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,840
Speaker 1: terms of injuries and just you know, getting to the

477
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,800
Speaker 1: end of the season. But I do think that this

478
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:11,640
Speaker 1: team mentally is equipped to handle that. This is this

479
00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,879
Speaker 1: is a united team, and you know, one of your guys, dudes,

480
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Speaker 1: Ben Voleen, mentioned that in the in the postgame locker room,

481
00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:24,040
Speaker 1: it seemed that Rabel was really toned down, like I

482
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Speaker 1: think he forgets. They just got off a FaceTime call

483
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Speaker 1: with a teammate who was going through something, and they

484
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Speaker 1: had a lot of injuries. They know, they didn't play

485
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Speaker 1: their best, and so I think Rabel had the right tone,

486
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Speaker 1: you know. And I think the players want more, they

487
00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,919
Speaker 1: expect more, and but I think they're all in this together.

488
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Speaker 1: I think they're bought into Rabel. They're calling you know,

489
00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:49,000
Speaker 1: they call them coach Rabes. Carlton Davis, I think he

490
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 1: had a quote just recently he said he's never been

491
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Speaker 1: on a team that seemed more together than this team.

492
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Speaker 1: I like that aspect of this of the and I

493
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Speaker 1: really look at that as as a plus going forward.

494
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Speaker 4: So we have the power of friendship.

495
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Speaker 5: No, I'm with Fred. Yeah, I think that's the number

496
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Speaker 5: one thing they have going for them. I think they're

497
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Speaker 5: very connected. The team is very connected. And I think

498
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Speaker 5: sometimes that can make up for you know, some personnel

499
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Speaker 5: issues here or there. We'll see.

500
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Speaker 6: I'm with Fred.

501
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Speaker 5: I think Josh McDaniels and Doug Maron will do a

502
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Speaker 5: good job scheming their way around this. This is not ideal.

503
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Speaker 5: I'm not telling you that it's not a big deal

504
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Speaker 5: to lose your left tackle on your left guard and

505
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Speaker 5: you're probably going to be without them for at least

506
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Speaker 5: I'm going to say a month. That's not ideal. I'm

507
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 5: not pretending that that's not an issue. I just have

508
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Speaker 5: confidence that they'll figure out a way around it.

509
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and to your point, Paul, the coaching this year,

510
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,199
Speaker 1: it's better set up to you know, to handle that

511
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Speaker 1: than last year.

512
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Speaker 2: That's what interests me.

513
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Speaker 3: I mean with you know, Brian Burns coming in, and

514
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 3: you know also Abdul Carter who half sacked but active

515
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 3: and disruptive. You know, I don't think Thibodau is gonna play,

516
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,639
Speaker 3: but they've got some players off the edge everything.

517
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Speaker 2: They have talked.

518
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:06,679
Speaker 5: About him a little of this morning, and you probably

519
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,959
Speaker 5: talk more about him than than us. He's he's a

520
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 5: really good player.

521
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Dexter Lawrence is one of my favorite.

522
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 6: Dexter Lawrence to be on the sideline.

523
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Speaker 5: That's what he is when when when games are being played,

524
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Speaker 5: which is why Shane Bowen no longer has a job.

525
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I got that from our friend don Uh.

526
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Speaker 6: You don't want to talk to don.

527
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Speaker 2: I wonder at that.

528
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Speaker 3: I mean, I know Dexter Lawrence is a crazy player,

529
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Speaker 3: but seeing not Godshaw. But you know, like the old defense,

530
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 3: they wanted a big guy inside Shane Bowen there with

531
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Speaker 3: interior penetrator kind of types. Is that you know, is

532
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Speaker 3: he not really their type?

533
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Speaker 7: I don't know.

534
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Speaker 1: I'm just speculating that's worked well.

535
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Speaker 4: I think he's he's their type. He's even though he's

536
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 4: a big dude, he does he plays more up the uphill.

537
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 4: He's more of a disruptor, more of an uphill vertical threat.

538
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 4: I don't think that this is, you know, plugging gap.

539
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 1: Whatever whatever the teams are doing in the fourth quarter

540
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Speaker 1: to the Giants the Patriots should do in the first

541
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Speaker 1: quarter and keep doing it. The ball they are.

542
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 4: Just getting absolutely shredded on the ground. Now, I'll play

543
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 4: Devil's advocate because some you know, you guys are trying

544
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:12,360
Speaker 4: to but the injuries the Patriots have is a problem,

545
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 4: and I understand this is a great chemistry, great locker room.

546
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 4: But at the same time, you know, watching their defensive

547
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 4: front without Millon Williams against the Bengals was was was

548
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 4: a hard watch. Like they they just did not make

549
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 4: very many plays in the other side of the backfield. Uh,

550
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 4: they didn't make very many plays up front. They got

551
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,120
Speaker 4: run on by Cincinnati who hasn't really run the ball

552
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Speaker 4: at all all year. Chase Brown had over one hundred

553
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Speaker 4: rushing yards. It was a problem, and I think offensively,

554
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Speaker 4: I agree that they can probably work around it a

555
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:55,479
Speaker 4: little bit. But at the same time, you know, no

556
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 4: disrespect meant to them, but Vederian Lower and Ben Brown

557
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 4: were two guys that they tried to upgrade from this

558
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 4: offseason in the draft with Campbell and Wilson. The idea

559
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,400
Speaker 4: was not to rely on those players like you did

560
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 4: when you won four games the year before. Sure, So

561
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 4: I think a huge part of you know, what has

562
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 4: happened here, along with with Drake May and Rabel and

563
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Speaker 4: all the stuff you guys mentioned, is the improvement that

564
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 4: the Trenches have shown this season to last season. They

565
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 4: are a significantly better team on the line of scrimmage

566
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 4: this year than they were last year significantly better, you know,

567
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 4: just across the board, whether it's pass blocking, run blocking,

568
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 4: pass rush, run stuffing, all of it. And you know,

569
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 4: I know, maybe I'm a little bit more on that

570
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 4: side of the street than other people, but that's football.

571
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 4: Like when you have good football, teams don't usually have

572
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 4: bad play in the trenches. It just it said, not

573
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Speaker 4: that it never happens. I know, Patrick Mahomes went to

574
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 4: the Super Bowl without his left tackle, I know, but

575
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 4: it's asking a lot. It's asking a lot for Drake

576
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 4: may To in his second season to now still play

577
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 4: at this level without his starting left tackle, like left guard.

578
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 4: I think that they can get away with Ben Brown's

579
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 4: not you know, he's a serviceable backup, and I think

580
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 4: that they could work around it. I do think the

581
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 4: drop off from Will Campbell to their backups I left

582
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 4: tackle is going to be significant, ye And it's more

583
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,199
Speaker 4: just like a knock to the bigger picture, honestly, of

584
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 4: where this team could possibly go in the postseason. You know,

585
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 4: if they don't have these guys back healthy and they're

586
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 4: not you know, tied together once the postseason comes around,

587
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 4: it does limit their still quite a bit.

588
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hear all that. I mean, I think for

589
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,199
Speaker 3: me and focuses, just get through this game. You know,

590
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 3: get through this game, have a week off, see what

591
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 3: your health looks like when you get back and you

592
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 3: have to go play Buffalo.

593
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 4: But well, they're not gonna have Bilton Williams like that.

594
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 4: He's gonna be on ir for Buffalo and Baltimore. And

595
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 4: you know, in this game against Cincinnati, like the Bengals

596
00:26:56,359 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 4: average three yards rushing before contact, like before anybody even

597
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 4: hit him, They're averaging three yards. So if you're doing

598
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 4: that against Buffalo and Baltimore and James Cook and Derrick

599
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 4: Henry like that, that's gonna be really tough.

600
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 2: No good, really tough.

601
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 1: Can I get some water?

602
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 4: Like I kind of look at the offensive line and

603
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 4: think that they can probably maybe figure it out screens,

604
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 4: but defensive line, I have concerns about that, Like, you know,

605
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 4: guys like Farms and Gregory and Dirt and those guys

606
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 4: playing as much as they're going to have to play.

607
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 4: Is a little bit.

608
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 1: Concerning Tonga too. I mean, that's you know, what's what's

609
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 1: up with him?

610
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, Mike and I talked a little bit in the

611
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 5: pregame show about that, because you get specifically Dirdin and Gregory.

612
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 5: You know those are guys.

613
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 7: You know.

614
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 5: Durdan especially sort of carved out a little bit of

615
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 5: a role. Right He's played I don't know ten snaps

616
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 5: the game, Whatt's call it. I don't know what the

617
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 5: actual numbers. He's been reasonably disruptive, disruptive, but now you're

618
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 5: asking him to maybe take on a larger role. Can

619
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 5: he continue to be disruptive exactly? And you know I'm

620
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 5: not telling you I agree with you. I think bringing

621
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 5: up Tonga is significant because it's not just I think

622
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 5: Tonga's job is to be a run stuffer, you know,

623
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 5: a space eating run stuffer. I don't really think of

624
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 5: Milton Williams and Christian Barmore. As talented as they are,

625
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,360
Speaker 5: they're fine against the run, and Milton Williams has been

626
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,479
Speaker 5: excellent all season long and whatever they've asked him to do,

627
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 5: but I don't think they're necessarily run stuffing players. Tonga

628
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 5: is so he came out of the game.

629
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Speaker 10: You know.

630
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 5: I think Chase Brown's pretty good too, even though they

631
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 5: haven't really run the ball all that much. You saw

632
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 5: in this game they ran it probably a little bit better.

633
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 5: But he's averaged a healthy amount. And that's three games

634
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 5: in a row the opponent's averaged over five yards.

635
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: And you said, Evan before the game that they were

636
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: throwing the ball seventy percent of the time.

637
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 4: They didn't this game, Yeah, because they were. They're effectively

638
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 4: running it. And you know, I just hurt to give

639
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 4: it to their credit though, to the Bengals, Like they

640
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 4: saw that the Patriots were down Mill Williams already, then

641
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 4: Tonga goes out of the game, and what were they

642
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 4: doing or just running it right up the gut at

643
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 4: the backups on the interior defensive line. So I give

644
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 4: those guys credit. You know, I think that they This

645
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 4: was a pretty well coached game by the Bengals. I

646
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 4: thought that defensively they're pretty buttoned up relatively speaking to

647
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 4: what they have been in the past. And I thought

648
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 4: offensively they hit the buttons there. The Patriots were weaker.

649
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 4: But I just going into the season, the big question

650
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 4: that we all had was, yes, the talent on the

651
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 4: roster is better. Is the depth better and good enough

652
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 4: to withstand injuries? And we haven't really luckily needed to

653
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 4: figure that out, and now we're going to figure that out.

654
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 4: But do they have the depth. Do they have those

655
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 4: players behind their frontline, players that can keep this thing wrong?

656
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 2: Can the coaches get those guys to play up the snuff?

657
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 2: You know?

658
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 3: And I think that's been one of the indictments the

659
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Speaker 3: last few years of play along the offensive line is

660
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Speaker 3: that they don't really have the coaching. Like, if I'm

661
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 3: looking at something I'm interested to watch, it's how does

662
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 3: now this coaching staff deal with really the first kind

663
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 3: of scramble drill that they're going to have to do.

664
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Speaker 3: I mean, losing Milton Williams is one thing, or a

665
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 3: great player inside, but it's one player.

666
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Speaker 2: You've got depth.

667
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,959
Speaker 3: But now when you've got two offensive linemen that you're

668
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 3: gonna have to put in, you're gonna have to maybe

669
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Speaker 3: give some of those guys help.

670
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Speaker 1: You know.

671
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Speaker 3: These are the things where I think you you really

672
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 3: get a sense of I mean, Paul said a great thing.

673
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 3: I think Mike Vrabel's done an amazing job bringing this

674
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 3: team together and really being that, you know, full crim

675
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 3: in the middle of all these guys. But now you've

676
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 3: got to really coach your butt off and get these

677
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 3: guys to to you know. I mean, this is something

678
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 3: that that Bill got plenty of credit with over the

679
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 3: years when guys had to step up the Randall gaze

680
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 3: of the year, you know, like those you know instances

681
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 3: where it's just it happens in the NFL.

682
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Speaker 2: Buffalo's gonna have a bunch of injuries in a couple

683
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Speaker 2: of weeks too.

684
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Speaker 3: I mean, we saw half their team went down the

685
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Speaker 3: other night, So you know, you get down to this

686
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Speaker 3: point and I don't know, maybe I'm just out of

687
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 3: practice with having a good team down the stretch, but like,

688
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 3: did you guys feel at times with those Patriots teams

689
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 3: that you knew were going to the playoffs, like they're

690
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 3: not playing their best ball right now. They seem banged up,

691
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 3: They seem like they're kind of like you're seven team.

692
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,239
Speaker 3: I remember them just kind of tailing off like they

693
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 3: weren't the same team anymore.

694
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Speaker 1: You know, that's all they do is.

695
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 4: That I remember that had that happened too lost And

696
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 4: I'm not like trying to be doing gloom, but like,

697
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 4: the only team that I remember that flip the switch

698
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 4: was eighteen eighteen. That's the only one of the six

699
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 4: Super Bowl teams that wasn't peaking at the end of

700
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 4: the year, And somehow they found.

701
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 3: It and is this just a part that many teams

702
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 3: go through where you know late by et cetera. But

703
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 3: you know, you just you have a little bit of

704
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 3: a doldrum in the middle of the season. That's something common.

705
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 3: Are they late.

706
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Speaker 5: In the season or do they not play that well

707
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 5: in Cincinnati. That's the thing I think we're going to

708
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 5: have to learn, because I don't think this game was

709
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 5: indicative of the way they've played, say the last six

710
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 5: I don't I think they played much. I don't want

711
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,959
Speaker 5: to say worse because that makes it sound like they

712
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 5: played a crappy game, because I think everything you haven't

713
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 5: said about Cincinnati deserves to be said. I think Cincinnati

714
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 5: showed up, played with some desperation, and I do think

715
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 5: they were prepared on both sides. I think the difference

716
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 5: in the game, quite frankly, was Mike Rabel's game management

717
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 5: compared to Zach Taylor's. Zach Taylor consistently passed up opportunities

718
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 5: to score points by punting, and Mike Rabel didn't get

719
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 5: stubborn after the first time didn't work out down there.

720
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Speaker 5: He took the points, take the points, and ended up

721
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 5: Dan Campbell would have lost that game because Dan Campbell

722
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Speaker 5: would have just I mean maybe they would just would

723
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 5: have been so much better that Jamiir Gibbs would have scored,

724
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 5: but he would have just kept going for it.

725
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Speaker 1: Yeah, going up by ten was important.

726
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 6: I think.

727
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Speaker 5: The the one that he did, the one to go

728
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 5: up by seven, I think was important. When it was

729
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 5: seventeen thirteen and after the first debacle down there, he

730
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 5: got down there again. And what I don't even think

731
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 5: was it Henderson that got the third down carry that

732
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 5: time that got stopped. I forget he got the second

733
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 5: down Carrirell Jen I forget.

734
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 4: But second Drake sneaked it on third down.

735
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 5: Rabel had three fingers in his hands before the whistle

736
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 5: even blew on the play. He was disgusted, but he said, no,

737
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 5: I'm going to make this a seven point game, and

738
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 5: I'm going to make sure that they're chasing me. I'm

739
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 5: not gonna you know, throw good money after bad or

740
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 5: whatever the phrase, yes, and continue to bang my head

741
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 5: against the wall. He adjusted to the game. Zach Taylor didn't.

742
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 5: And again I give Zach Taylor credit for having his

743
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 5: team ready to go. You know, a three and sevent

744
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 5: team played, you know, probably a little bit better defensively

745
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 5: than they have most of the year. But I'm sorry,

746
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 5: you can't punt on fourth and one every time, and

747
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 5: fourth and three, you know, in the fourth quarter and

748
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 5: just say, well, we're just going to keep getting the

749
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 5: ball back. At some point you got to go and

750
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 5: try to make a play, and if you don't, you

751
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 5: still got to get the stop. There's nothing, there's no difference.

752
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: Is this the first game in a while that they've

753
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: won it by just the score?

754
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 5: What does that mean?

755
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: Like, you know, less than eight points?

756
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Speaker 5: Oh, most of the games have been one score game. Really,

757
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 5: I thought they This is what I'm saying. I think

758
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 5: people have this impression. And I don't mean this negatively.

759
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 5: I mean this is a huge positive for the Patriots

760
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,239
Speaker 5: because everything fred said about the togetherness. I totally co

761
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 5: signing with Freddy on this. I think they win these

762
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 5: games and people are like, yeah, they won, they won,

763
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 5: but like they're not playing that well. I'm like, I

764
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 5: don't know what you look, I don't know what you

765
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 5: think they're capable of. That's what I would argue. But

766
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 5: the outliars are Carolina in Cleveland. The normal game is Atlanta,

767
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:24,439
Speaker 5: New Orleans, Tampa. This game against Cincinnati, you know, even

768
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 5: the Jets. I know the Jets ended up a thirteen

769
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 5: point game. We watched that game.

770
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Speaker 1: It wasn't a blowout, yep, but they won by thirteen points.

771
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Speaker 5: No, I know, but that was one of the few

772
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 5: that was one of the four games they weren't decided

773
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 5: by one score. All the rest were one score games.

774
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Speaker 1: Four games we weren't discussed.

775
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 2: The chat got that.

776
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 4: No, it's it's pilot.

777
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 5: Like the outliers are Carolina, Tennessee in Cleveland. You know,

778
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 5: the norm is a one score game. Yeah, and there's

779
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,280
Speaker 5: seven and one in those one score games.

780
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Speaker 4: I'm less concerned about how they play Sunday in that

781
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 4: game two and more concerned about moving forward without Milton

782
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 4: Williams and Campbell. Like if I had to rank the

783
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,879
Speaker 4: players on this team outside of Drake May, who's obvious, Like,

784
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 4: you know, it's like the old Jenga piece thing, Like

785
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 4: if I had to take play, like who is the

786
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 4: biggest blocks that are keeping the tower afloat? Like Campbell

787
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 4: and Million Williams have two of the biggest blocks, Like

788
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 4: I think those two guys because I think for Campbell specifically,

789
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 4: it's what's behind him at left tackle too, that you

790
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 4: have to take into consideration. But with Milton Williams, I

791
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 4: think he's been your best player on defense and it

792
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 4: was noticeable, you know, their front was noticeably worse without him.

793
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: I'm going to have to figure that out that that

794
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: was just for play.

795
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 5: So there, I'm not whistling past the graveyard pretending there's

796
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 5: no issues. They have some issues. I just feel like

797
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 5: they're going to be able to able to get past them.

798
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 4: Right, But it's not about how this game unfolded in Cincinnati.

799
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 4: It's about right, you have Buffalo, you have Baltimore, you

800
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 4: have playoff games coming up, and that's a whole different

801
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 4: ballgame once you get into those types of level of competition.

802
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 4: Then playing a banged up Bengals team, and if they

803
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 4: don't have Campbell and they don't have Milton Williams, like

804
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 4: those two guys and probably Digs and Gonzalez would be

805
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 4: like the four most important players on the team outside

806
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 4: of May and they're playing without two of them. So

807
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 4: like it just it's a big loss not having those

808
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 4: guys for the bigger picture, Like, I still think they're

809
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 4: gonna beat the Giants and the Jets, and they're probably

810
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 4: gonna still end up with twelve or thirteen wins, and

811
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Speaker 4: that's nothing to snim bat.

812
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Speaker 3: Maybe the division title too, Yeah, maybe maybe Milton Williams

813
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 3: and Will Campbell.

814
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 5: Are back three might get you that one seed. Fred

815
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 5: might be right because I didn't know about that green

816
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 5: Bay game for Denver. I knew like they had some

817
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 5: division games coming, but that green Bay game as the

818
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 5: odd game. Yeah, that that could mean that that Denver

819
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 5: loses twice. So if you lose twice, it's.

820
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:59,760
Speaker 1: Probably well, I think the final five are in Denver.

821
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, so it means I don't know what the tiebreaker

822
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 5: situation will look like. It depends on what games the

823
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 5: teams lose. But it is amazing that all the games

824
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 5: fifteen out of out of seventeen games at home for Denver,

825
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:13,959
Speaker 5: I mean, and even.

826
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 1: When they're not home, they're at home. I don't know

827
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: how they do it.

828
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 2: They raised the stadium a mile in the air.

829
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're able to play at mile high altitude and

830
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 5: even on the road somehow.

831
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Speaker 1: Anyway, all right, so we have calls, We have emails.

832
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: Eight five to five. PATS five hundred is the hotline

833
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: podcast at Patriots dot Com is the email address the

834
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: most people on the blog this year, this season for

835
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: this game. But I had to regulate. At one point

836
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: people were literally I mean it's words, so you don't

837
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: really know how they're feeling, but just from the tone

838
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: of the words, people were getting angry angry at the Patriots,

839
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: And at some point I just had to regulate and

840
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 1: I had to people, why are you angry? Like, okay,

841
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: be frustrated, whatever, but like, we're one or two years

842
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: ahead of schedule, we got a young quarterback, they're not

843
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: playing that great, they have these injuries, but why the anger?

844
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: And then the other thing is I'm embarrassed. Why are

845
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: you are they favor are you back in third grade

846
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: and they pull down your pants on the day you

847
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,879
Speaker 1: forgot to wear underwear? Like why are you embarrassed?

848
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 5: Seemed oddly specific, you know, like, no, it didn't happen.

849
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 4: Those things are exaggerations. But I like, the goalposts have

850
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 4: moved like they're ship. But it's not embarrassing to you,

851
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 4: not embarrassing to you, It's not embarrassing to anybody. The

852
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 4: amount of the game on Sunday was not embarrassing in

853
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 4: any way shape or to the team, to the coaches,

854
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,959
Speaker 4: Nobody but the anger is I think they know it's good.

855
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,399
Speaker 5: I think that's a good sign because of what Evan's saying.

856
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 5: The goalposts have moved.

857
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 4: They know what it looks like when it's championship caliber.

858
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 4: And this team, I don't know if they're championship caliber yet,

859
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 4: but they've put themselves in a position to be playing.

860
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: So what team, at least in the AFC? Why play

861
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: teams because we're gonna play one of them, but we're.

862
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 5: Only caring about our team. I understand why the blog

863
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 5: people are upset. They want to play better.

864
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: I understand, but no one's playing that great. It's just

865
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: kind of the way the AFC is this year. And

866
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 1: of those teams were the best, we're the best.

867
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Speaker 5: Do you think you're playing the best of all the teams? Yeah, okay,

868
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 5: I think that some of the fans would disagree with you.

869
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 7: Yeah.

870
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Speaker 1: I mean, game to game, other teams might have had

871
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 1: better games. But I think the body of work, we've

872
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: been the best team this year.

873
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 4: But whether it's the AFC or if we're gonna care

874
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 4: to dream and it's whoever they play in the super Bowl,

875
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,240
Speaker 4: you were going to play a great team at some point. Really, Yes,

876
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,240
Speaker 4: you're gonna play a great team at some point. Okay,

877
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 4: you're gonna play a great team, and you're gonna play

878
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 4: a great quarterback. And you're like, these things are gonna happen.

879
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 4: You're not gonna go. It's not gonna be the March

880
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 4: of the Tomato Cans all the way to the seventh

881
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 4: Lombardi right, Like, they're gonna at some point they're gonna

882
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 4: have to play, you know, a formidable opponent that is,

883
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 4: you know, gonna be up for the challenge and bands

884
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 4: to their you know credit around here, they know what

885
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 4: it looks like when the team is.

886
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 1: I just don't understand the anger, Like it's like, oh man,

887
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: we need to play better. I get that, but like angry,

888
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 1: like solve the teams last year?

889
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 3: I mean, you had this ran last year when they

890
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 3: were on a four win seasoned four winds all right,

891
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 3: like sometimes there was some bad football being played. I mean,

892
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 3: I get generally, you shouldn't be embarrassing.

893
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: Embarrassing room, Yeah, like why are you embarrassed?

894
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 2: I can't even wear my Patriots stuff. Make fun of me.

895
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: A great game last week.

896
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 5: I'm sure you know, traveling around the Greater Boston area

897
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 5: with Patriots gear on.

898
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 6: You're getting mocked and rid.

899
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,879
Speaker 3: I'll tell you, if you're walking around with rivalry here,

900
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 3: you might get like proposition to sell it on the spots.

901
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 4: They were going to offer me money for my jack.

902
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 2: It almost market check.

903
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:02,240
Speaker 6: Can you direct?

904
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 4: Where did you get that? I was like, and they're like,

905
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 4: I've been you know, I've been trying to get when

906
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 4: they're sold out everywhere. My son he really wants one.

907
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 4: And I just found myself like kind of you know, walking.

908
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 2: It's gonna set on fire. Yeah, my wife got the

909
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 2: same thing.

910
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: Someone going, where can I get this rivalry stuff I

911
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: needed for Christmas present?

912
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 2: Good luck?

913
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 1: Yep, they certainly created demand for that one. All right,

914
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: so let's get to the phone. Let's see what everyone says.

915
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 1: I hope you're not angry, and I hope you're not embarrassed.

916
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 5: Todd Todd actually it was one of the few that

917
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 5: had this game nailed. He thought this was going to

918
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 5: be that everyone they were going to lose. He thought

919
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 5: they were going to lose.

920
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: Todd's at North Carolina. What's up? Todd?

921
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 11: Hey, guys, you know I'm sober now. Fred just you know,

922
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 11: I took the time and composed myself before I made

923
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 11: the call, so I wouldn't be angry or drunk or

924
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 11: you know, a little crazy. So what I saw and

925
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 11: that game and when I think was bought me and

926
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 11: I couldn't really articulate it. Thanks, you know, Paul for

927
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 11: defending me a little bit. I appreciate that, and I

928
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 11: appreciated the good the poke there by you Fred, that

929
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 11: was good too. But what's bothering me is this team

930
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 11: looks tired. I think maybe we've got some veterans who

931
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 11: are pretty much up there in age, and we've got

932
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 11: some young guys who might be the rookie wall. And

933
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 11: I had to make sure that the rookie wall exists.

934
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 11: I went and researched it.

935
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:23,720
Speaker 12: It does exist.

936
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 11: These guys, you know, they hit that wall. They're not

937
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 11: used to this level of games, and maybe that'd even

938
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 11: contributed a little bit to the injuries. I'm you know,

939
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 11: I'm not sure, but they look tired. I don't know

940
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 11: why or how they can deal with that, Like it's

941
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 11: probably because this bias so dang late that it's just

942
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 11: it's too hard on them a little bit right now.

943
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 11: The way the teams compose, because it's been that combination

944
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 11: of veterans and youth that I think has made this

945
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 11: team so so good and right now, I don't know.

946
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 11: I think I almost want to say, play your backups

947
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 11: for the Giants. Take a loss, play up, play your backups,

948
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 11: take the lot.

949
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: Just Todd.

950
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 2: We're in a playoff race.

951
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: You can't do is critical.

952
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 4: I actually don't think they were. They look that tired

953
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 4: they stopped playing in this game. I don't I actually

954
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 4: thought that their energy pregame and on the sideline just

955
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 4: being there was was really good. And I remember at

956
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 4: one point looking at the Patriots side of the field

957
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 4: in warm ups and then looking at the Bengals side

958
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 4: of the field and warm ups, and one team was

959
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 4: doing its thing and doing what the Patriots do, and

960
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 4: Diggs is breaking down the huddle and all this kind

961
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 4: of stuff, and then the other team on the other

962
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 4: side of the field is kind of just like going

963
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 4: through the motions. And I was like, well, I remember

964
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 4: what it was like to be on the other side

965
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 4: of the field in these games. So it's a late

966
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 4: bye week and that that's obvious to everybody, but I

967
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 4: don't think, you know, kind of the struggles that happened

968
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 4: on Sunday, I don't think that was due to fatigue.

969
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 4: I don't.

970
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: Vinnie's in Vegas. What's up, Vinnie.

971
00:43:55,120 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 13: Hey, guys, Okay, you know, I am not angry or embarrassed,

972
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 13: but I watch a little worried. At the beginning of

973
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 13: the game though, I think that, you know, we're starting

974
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 13: to really see how dependent we on on Drake because

975
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 13: he just didn't look good. So I was like, holy crap,

976
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 13: this is not what's going on. And I think at

977
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,240
Speaker 13: this point we're starting to notice that if he doesn't

978
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 13: have the superstar at that moment, the games are going

979
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 13: to be tough. I mean, they're gonna be a slog

980
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,720
Speaker 13: you know. And then the other thing. I'm surprised actually

981
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,280
Speaker 13: that this is the first game that I saw Carlton

982
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 13: Davis play and actually show, you know, what he was doing.

983
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 13: So I'm happy about that part. But I do think

984
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 13: that we're very reliant on Drake and when he doesn't

985
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,720
Speaker 13: have it together and right away we're going to struggle.

986
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of agree with that. I mean, the

987
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,439
Speaker 1: team will go as far as Drake will tell them

988
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: take them. They don't have a dominant offensive line. They

989
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: have a much better offensive line than they had last year.

990
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: But it's not dominant that shows in the run game.

991
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: So it is up to Drake. It is up to

992
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 1: Drake now that they're banged up too.

993
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 5: And I would agree on Carlton Davis. I thought he

994
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 5: was really good in the game and I thought it

995
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 5: was his best game.

996
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:14,919
Speaker 1: Yeah the sun, oh the one got hurt.

997
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 6: He was really mad.

998
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was a tough call. Like you have two

999
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 4: really physical players like jockeying for positioning down the field,

1000
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 4: and like, I didn't think he grabbed or anything. I

1001
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 4: think they were just kind of the back.

1002
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 14: Yeah.

1003
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 1: I don't remember being up in arms on the flag,

1004
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: like he sort of was on top of him before

1005
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: the ball got there.

1006
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 4: So I wouldn't say up in arms. I just like, like,

1007
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 4: if you have two guys that are physical players that

1008
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 4: there heavyweights and hearing.

1009
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 5: I thought he got the early. I would I'm with Fred.

1010
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 5: But I could see I actually teat him up in

1011
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 5: the post game. He was our guest in the post

1012
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 5: game show, and I said, I asked him about it,

1013
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 5: and I saw his face. I knew how upset he

1014
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 5: was about it, and I was like, just I stopped

1015
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 5: and I said, talk about it. Terrible journalism questions but

1016
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 5: his face told the whole story. I know why they

1017
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 5: called the penalty, and I think that's gonna be It's

1018
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 5: kind of like the offensive interference on Matt Collins, like

1019
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 5: when when a defensive back gets pinballed like that, Like

1020
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 5: that's gonna be a penalty, whether or not that was

1021
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 5: an intent or whatever. He got there a little early

1022
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 5: on that on that deep ball, but I think it

1023
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 5: was really really good coverage. Yeah, really good coverage.

1024
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, his uh, you know, he took away Flacco's primary

1025
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 4: read on the pick six two. He was covering Higgins

1026
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 4: on that play, and he took Higgins out of the

1027
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 4: play and and Flacco went from the deep route to

1028
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 4: the checkdown through right to Marcus Jones.

1029
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:41,720
Speaker 6: One of the more laughable plays.

1030
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, Joe said, like you throw high over the middle

1031
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 5: and it's going to go that way. Will you throw

1032
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,280
Speaker 5: late to the That's what's.

1033
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,720
Speaker 4: Going to happen to Yeah, he was really good. Carlton

1034
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 4: Davis was in this game, you know, elt But why

1035
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 4: did you have to do that?

1036
00:46:59,040 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 7: Well?

1037
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 3: I didn't love to touch Tounty gave up. I mean

1038
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 3: right off the I would say and check me if

1039
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 3: I'm wrong, But I feel like he was part of

1040
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 3: the plan that didn't give up a lot to t Higgins.

1041
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 3: But I also just was like, he just got beat

1042
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 3: off the line by.

1043
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,399
Speaker 4: Now in his defense, it's the first touchdown he's given

1044
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 4: up all year, and Tinsley like that is the one

1045
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 4: route Tinsley can run. He is the one route that

1046
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 4: he's actually decent. Decent At a couple of weeks earlier,

1047
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 4: he beat uh who was.

1048
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 5: Catch?

1049
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,479
Speaker 4: He beat somebody on the same route.

1050
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 15: Release.

1051
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 4: You guys are are whistling by the fact that the

1052
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 4: left tackle and the DT are out for for extended

1053
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 4: period of time. But Aisconsin gives up one catch and

1054
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 4: where you know, I.

1055
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 5: Believe I specifically said, I'm not whistling past the graveyard

1056
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 5: with the losses. But you know, now you'll, like the

1057
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 5: other teams, you got to deal with some some of

1058
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 5: your personnel.

1059
00:47:58,280 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 6: Being out of the lineup.

1060
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 1: I don't think Eldred in North Carolina? What's up, Eldred?

1061
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 16: Hey Fellers, how y'all doing all right?

1062
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 8: I should have did that.

1063
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,879
Speaker 16: Because, hey, Paul, I'm leaving our favorite spot, Myrtle Beach.

1064
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 5: Nice. Nice.

1065
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 16: I'm on five oh one right now heading back out. No,

1066
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 16: I brought something for Hobby lobby. They opened up a

1067
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:26,879
Speaker 16: new hobby lobby.

1068
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 2: Down okay, cross expanding.

1069
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 16: Yeah, all right, No, I'm not embarrassed. I'm a little

1070
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 16: worried and bred. I'm with you. I don't worried about

1071
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 16: the Giant a little bit because they held the Lions

1072
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:41,760
Speaker 16: for a little bit and they scored twenty seven points

1073
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 16: on them until the what eight minutes of the fourth quarter.

1074
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 16: Then that's when that game got away from him, and

1075
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 16: they they looked pretty good. You know, what's like I said,

1076
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 16: what keeps bothering me is the line a little bit

1077
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 16: and the defense, you know, the secondary, the way they're

1078
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 16: giving up. And I know Paul and Evan just said

1079
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 16: a Dunzo and the one, but Evan, I don't seen

1080
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 16: a d Mitchell beat him off. And I haven't seen Kensley.

1081
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 16: Well you y'all won't call them nobody, but hey, they

1082
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 16: he got burnt twice, and that's kind of work. I

1083
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 16: don't know if he played down to day competition or

1084
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 16: up and one more thing and I let it go.

1085
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 16: I heard Bert Trane and Sola to my office line.

1086
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:26,439
Speaker 16: But it's been like in the little twenty twenty six

1087
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,280
Speaker 16: on Das or whatever on path Rush and on pressures.

1088
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 16: I want to take it off the line. Yeah, we

1089
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 16: can't run, so I'm just wondering and I take it

1090
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:37,879
Speaker 16: off off the air.

1091
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you, thanks Eldred.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the run game has been all year long. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and it's not a line that's necessarily built. I don't

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Speaker 4: think that way, you know. I do think they have

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Speaker 4: more athletics.

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Speaker 1: I think we al though thought that they'd be a

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Speaker 1: little bit better running team than they are.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I do all year. But the coverage I thought

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Speaker 4: in this game was pretty good. This is probably one

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Speaker 4: of their better games. As a secondary, I thought it

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Speaker 4: was fine. I mean they the pressure on Placco and

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Speaker 4: in the run defense were the bigger.

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Speaker 5: I don't really have a huge amount of problems with

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00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 5: the defense in this game in general. I know that

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00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:15,879
Speaker 5: the run yards were there. You know what I think

1106
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 5: of ren yards generally, they don't lead to points. But

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Speaker 5: I'm not telling you you you should like I'll give

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Speaker 5: you like an example of what bothered me in terms

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00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 5: of run defense. After they got stopped on the one

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Speaker 5: yard line, So you're back on the line and one

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Speaker 5: one run, Chase Brown gets a first down and they're

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Speaker 5: out of jail, Like that can't happen, and they did lose.

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Speaker 5: I thought the perimeter a lot of that game. Three

1114
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 5: or four times he got easy yards.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that. You know, the the one off

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Speaker 4: back off the goal line, they tried to slant, they

1117
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 4: tried to like run a like a stunt, and they

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Speaker 4: caught him in the slunt, in the slant, in the stunt.

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Speaker 4: And like when you have guys, you know, early on

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Speaker 4: in the season that are getting all these reps together

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Speaker 4: and are building those chemistries and things like that, and

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00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,439
Speaker 4: it's all the same five six seven guys doing it,

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Speaker 4: and now all of a sudden you look out there

1124
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 4: and it's like, you know, Corey Durden and Eric Gregory

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00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 4: and like it. Yeah, just different guys. It's not necessarily

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Speaker 4: about the talent. It's just you know, when you're trying

1127
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 4: to pull off these schemes like it, you know, it's

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Speaker 4: harder to do and you don't have those reps together

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00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 4: built up over a period of time. You know, in

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Speaker 4: terms of the pass rush, you know, defensively, until the

1131
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 4: last drive where they had to pass the ball, they

1132
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 4: only had a fifteen percent pressure rate. I only had

1133
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 4: them at fourteen point eight percent. They had four pressures

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00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 4: the whole rest of the game. And now once they

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00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 4: got into that final drive, they started to heat them

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Speaker 4: up and you know, things like that.

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Speaker 5: Did you think that they played coverage though for the

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00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:50,919
Speaker 5: most part, because I agree with you, I didn't see

1139
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,879
Speaker 5: a lot of missed opportunities in the game. I thought

1140
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 5: they covered really well. It's hard on TV sometimes to

1141
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 5: see all that, but.

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Speaker 1: You watched all twenty two you can see.

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Speaker 7: I know.

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00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 5: I I have no interest in see the whole in

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Speaker 5: watching a game because safety. Everybody will tell me what

1146
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Speaker 5: I'm supposed to know anyway, so we can move on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I don't think there's all the more reason

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Speaker 1: to see it for yourself if you don't trust.

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Speaker 5: I saw it, okay, but you know, you know, I'm

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Speaker 5: pretty self for you know, confident, Like I saw the again.

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Speaker 6: I have my opinion, all right.

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Speaker 19: Hi morning, good morning, Yeah, as are supposed to say,

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Speaker 19: good morning, great, Okay, who's up?

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Speaker 18: I heard you say on the radio that Will could

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Speaker 18: probably miss multiple games.

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Speaker 13: We saw the Darien on the left on Sunday, Marcus

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Speaker 13: Bryan on the right.

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Speaker 1: Do you expect to continue to use Vadarian?

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Speaker 4: Would you also consider Marcus, how do you think.

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Speaker 18: You'll navigate that?

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00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 19: I don't know why I would have an accurate answer

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00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 19: for you right now, just where we're at, probably go

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00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 19: through you know, the week of practice, I thought Verdarien,

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00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:08,839
Speaker 19: you know, I had a couple of good plays and

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00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 19: again he hasn't had to go in there for us.

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00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 19: But I think everybody just has to be ready for

1208
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 19: their opportunity, and you know, I thought he was for

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00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 19: the most part. Things will have to continue to work

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00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 19: on and clean up. But you know, just right now

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00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 19: is probably look too soon to figure out what the

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00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 19: what the lineup is going to look like.

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Speaker 7: I don't know if he's had.

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Speaker 2: A chance undergo any testing or anything.

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Speaker 7: But is there anything more you can toss about Will's

1216
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 7: injury in the morning, Uh, no, many he'll be.

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00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 19: He won't be out there this week, and uh you

1218
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 19: know it's going to be a couple of weeks. We'll

1219
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 19: have to make a decision here on a roster, see

1220
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 19: how long that'll be and go from there. But it's

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00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 19: nothing that's gonna, you know, hopefully put him out for

1222
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 19: this entire season. Yeah, you know, probably too soon to tell,

1223
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 19: you know, see how the week of practice goes, or

1224
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 19: see how to re app goes, and see how he

1225
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 19: responds there.

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Speaker 10: After yesterdays And you said something along the lines and paraphrasing,

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Speaker 10: So tell me if I get this rod.

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00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 7: Because I probably didn't mean it either.

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00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 8: So you know about.

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00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 10: How the team, both the players and the coaching staff

1231
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 10: and needing to recover faster from things that don't go

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00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 10: your way in game for coaches and mainly for yourself individually.

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Speaker 3: What does that look like.

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Speaker 7: We'll just set in the temperature.

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Speaker 19: I mean, I have to set the temperature for for

1236
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 19: what we do and make sure that everybody is you know,

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00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:39,839
Speaker 19: that we understand things change quickly and that everybody has

1238
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:43,359
Speaker 19: to be on the you know, on the ready, go

1239
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 19: through different lineup changes and personnel groups are up, personnel

1240
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 19: groups are down. Field goal protection has got moving parts

1241
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:55,399
Speaker 19: and you know we're using fifteen guys on a field

1242
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 19: goal protection throughout the course of the game.

1243
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Speaker 7: That's you know, normally doesn't happen.

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Speaker 19: And then just understand that, you know, if we give

1245
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 19: up an interception and again, how we come back and respond.

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00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 7: We had a scoring drive.

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00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 19: Defense kept us in there, a special team, you know,

1248
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 19: gave us some opportunities. We had a good return there

1249
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 19: at the end of the game when we needed it

1250
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 19: able to get points. Wasn't a touchdown drive, but it

1251
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Speaker 19: was a huge drive that took some time and then

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00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 19: allowed Andy to kick a field goal to make it

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00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 19: a touchdown game. And I think that you can all

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Speaker 19: see that, you know, when we've gotten into those situations

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Speaker 19: when they've needed a touchdown at the end of the

1256
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 19: game as opposed to a field goal, that we've been

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Speaker 19: able to get the drive stock.

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Speaker 7: And it's, however, pretty or not pretty.

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Speaker 19: It is whether it's a in Miami or that game yesterday.

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Speaker 7: You know, six points and three points is a big difference.

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Speaker 18: Referencing something else he said last night. Does being undefeated

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Speaker 18: on the road fall into the category of records and

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Speaker 18: numbers don't mean.

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Speaker 7: Cleep or go ahead, let it go. It feels good,

1265
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 7: just say it, let it go.

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Speaker 1: It feels good to tell you anything about again.

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Speaker 7: I think that they.

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Speaker 19: Found a way to win, and I'm proud of them,

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00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 19: and there's a lot more that we can do and

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Speaker 19: then we can play better, we can play with better details.

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Speaker 19: But in the end, I mean, they found a way

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Speaker 19: to win, and uh, it's not easy to do in

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Speaker 19: the league that we're in. So we'll have to kind

1274
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 19: of keep that fine balance of understanding the wins are important,

1275
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 19: but improving at this time of the year is what's

1276
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Speaker 19: most important.

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Speaker 5: Would you seek for better.

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00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 7: We started for cha.

1279
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 19: You know, he was ready to go, but you know

1280
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Speaker 19: I had a few play you know. I mean again,

1281
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Speaker 19: they all do, everybody does.

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Speaker 7: I thought he was ready to go. I thought he

1283
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Speaker 7: was into it.

1284
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 19: Ben gives us a you know, great effort, and you

1285
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 19: know he was prepared for for the opportunity.

1286
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Speaker 7: It's your reactional.

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00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 5: Shane's fine.

1288
00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 19: Well, Shane's a you know, close and so we started

1289
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 19: in his business together at Ohio State.

1290
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Speaker 7: Shane's a good football coach. This business is.

1291
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Speaker 19: You know, you know, again, the things happen, they make decisions.

1292
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Speaker 19: So I'll support Shane the best that I can and

1293
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 19: in his family, but then also you know, focus on

1294
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Speaker 19: everything that we have here.

1295
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Speaker 7: So that's kind of how this thing goes.

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Speaker 20: I'd say, continuing to uh improve, you know, from from

1297
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 20: a health standpoint, and you know, again it's it's a

1298
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 20: it's a process in the treatment.

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Speaker 7: But I would say that he did everything that he.

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Speaker 19: Could to get himself ready for these for the treatment,

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Speaker 19: for for the chemo, and so therefore I think that

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Speaker 19: he's he's responded well and it's good to see him

1303
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 19: continuing to have have good weeks and then come in

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Speaker 19: and see us when he feels up to it, which

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Speaker 19: which he has.

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Speaker 21: Mike it seems, is when if there are receivers missing,

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Speaker 21: how a quarterback would have to adjust based on the receiver,

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Speaker 21: a replacements speed, height, whatever. When an offensive line is

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01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 21: when an offensive line is missing, what a quarterbacks have

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Speaker 21: to be aware of that maybe we don't see or

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Speaker 21: people that haven't been in the trench like that, how

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Speaker 21: do they change with different offensive lineman with them?

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Speaker 19: Well, I mean just making sure that the communication is

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Speaker 19: good and that everybody is on the same page. And

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Speaker 19: then how you know that you can you know, there

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Speaker 19: are matchups that you need to help.

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Speaker 7: I mean assuming that you.

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Speaker 19: Know there's a player that's not a starter that then

1319
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 19: goes in there. And again, are there matchups that you

1320
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Speaker 19: have to be aware of and be able to allocate

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Speaker 19: resources to, you know, for protection and things like that.

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Speaker 15: Making sure there are a lot of details that go into

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01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 15: some of those goal line plays that you guys.

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Speaker 22: Had offensively curious if there was anything more that maybe

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Speaker 22: Drake could have done.

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Speaker 7: There was more that that I think we all could

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Speaker 7: have done.

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Speaker 19: And uh, you know, you get into you know, the

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Speaker 19: balls on the inside the five yard line and you

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Speaker 19: have to figure out how, you know, if you're gonna

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Speaker 19: go big people and big personnel, and we were out

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Speaker 19: of that, and then you get into some other personnels

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Speaker 19: and you either have to you know, you can't block

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01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 19: them all, or you got to read somebody and make

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Speaker 19: decisions down there. And so, you know, it just seemed

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Speaker 19: like whether we were really close yesterday, you know, whether

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Speaker 19: that's pushing treveon in or Hunter scoring. You know, we

1338
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Speaker 19: had the cross and they and they you know, Matt

1339
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 19: kind of gets ping ponged into the guy and I

1340
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Speaker 19: don't think he was trying to pick him. That's not

1341
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Speaker 19: what we teach, but that's, you know, what they saw,

1342
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:53,920
Speaker 19: and he's gonna get caught. I'm not saying it's not.

1343
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Speaker 19: But you have to be at your best down there.

1344
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Speaker 19: You know they are, they're they're they're blitzing, they they

1345
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 19: they're going to try to put some pressure on you

1346
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 19: and make you make some tough decisions. And you know,

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01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 19: so we all have to be better down there, whether

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Speaker 19: they're wearing the goal line personnel or wearing eleven personnel.

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Speaker 17: How did you feel the offense responded and someone put

1350
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:14,959
Speaker 17: situations looked like the sack?

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Speaker 4: Was there anything that maybe could have avoided that one

1352
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Speaker 4: with the.

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Speaker 7: Corner coming out of the slot. Yeah. Probably.

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Speaker 19: I mean again, the way that the protection was, you

1355
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 19: just have to get rid of it and dirt it

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Speaker 19: and put it at the guy's feet. But I think

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Speaker 19: at that point in time, with where the protection went

1358
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Speaker 19: and what he felt like, you know, getting five guys out,

1359
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 19: that would probably should have just got rid of the ball.

1360
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 19: But we you know, didn't make one mistake into another

1361
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 19: and took a sack and we were able to get

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Speaker 19: some yards on the next play and kick a field goal.

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Speaker 19: So there's going to be things like that that happened

1364
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Speaker 19: in the game. We just hopefully we can learn from.

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Speaker 1: Can we Adkiris and the same question.

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Speaker 5: Any update on him?

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Speaker 19: So disappointed he felt like he let his guys down,

1368
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 19: not being able to finish. There is never going to

1369
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 19: let anybody down as long as he's here, and these

1370
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 19: guys want to go, and I have to look at him,

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01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 19: and I got to figure out if they can and

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Speaker 19: if they can protect themselves and they can do their

1373
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 19: job and not make it any worse. And he clearly,

1374
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 19: from what I saw it wasn't going to be able

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01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 19: to do most of those things.

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Speaker 7: And so we'll just see how he progresses to the week.

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Speaker 5: So I want to respect the privacy of the situation,

1378
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 5: but they don't want me.

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Speaker 7: I don't I think that, you know. I mean you

1380
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 7: can see that the.

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Speaker 19: Players and his team and everybody associated with it, the

1382
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Speaker 19: organization care deeply about him, but uh, you know, respect

1383
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Speaker 19: to his privacy. And so we'll leave it at that.

1384
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 1: And now great moments in history. Both terms refer to

1385
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:59,959
Speaker 1: items found floating in the sea. However, Eric was wrong

1386
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 1: stating that the distinction relates to the.

1387
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Speaker 22: Type of vehicle. I misspoke, Eric, We have it on tape.

1388
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 22: I just said I misspoke. You were clear, were you

1389
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 22: taking context? There was no misspeaking. Did you misremember the.

1390
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:17,479
Speaker 1: Fact that you mentioned a plane is absolutely one hundred

1391
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 1: percent wrong.

1392
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Speaker 22: Yes, because I was thinking in my head jet Jettison

1393
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 22: was thinking jets wrong.

1394
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 1: So my that's how I was remembering it, because he

1395
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 1: said jets Let me finish this. The correct distinction is

1396
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Speaker 1: that floats on his debris from a flessel, from a

1397
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:37,440
Speaker 1: vessel that was that was not deliberately thrown overboard, and

1398
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 1: jetsam is debris from a vessel that was deliberately thrown over.

1399
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 1: You didn't say that, Yes, I did say that.

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01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 4: Eric I said, when there's a.

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01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 22: Shipwreck, heats them, Yeah, because it just floats, when it

1402
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 22: just floats from a shipwreck, when.

1403
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 5: You throw stuff off off.

1404
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 1: But he was right about the the action.

1405
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 2: He was wrong about the vehicle, right.

1406
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 22: I said, when there's a shipwreck, Yeah, the stuff that's

1407
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:11,480
Speaker 22: the debris from the shipwreck is floating.

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01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 1: That's flats.

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01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 6: That's not correct.

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01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 1: It is correct. That's another great moment. I love stubbornness.

1411
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Speaker 1: All right. Back here on Patriot on Filter today five

1412
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:26,200
Speaker 1: to five PATS five hundred is the hotline podcast at

1413
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 1: Patriots dot com. Is the email address. A couple of

1414
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 1: emails coming in, A lot of emails coming in, actually,

1415
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 1: but a couple that I'll read. Dan in Pennsylvania, he says,

1416
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 1: does this win over the Bengals qualify it as a win?

1417
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 1: That feels like a loss given the poor play and

1418
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 1: the key injuries. That's his first question. No, not to me.

1419
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 4: I would take the poor play out, like I don't

1420
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 4: have an issue with how they played, Like just win

1421
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 4: in advance, man, like it's week thirteen, they haven't had

1422
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 4: to buy yet, Like, just win the game and get

1423
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 4: out of Cincinnati. The injuries stink like that stinks out.

1424
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 5: Injuries give you a little of that pyrrhic victory feeling

1425
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 5: because you know at what cost.

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01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 2: But and it's not just on the till too.

1427
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 3: Like there's something about like losing Will Campbell, the rookie

1428
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 3: first round pick kid that's been a great personality, and

1429
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 3: you know, it's just.

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01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 2: This is a buzzkill.

1431
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 3: That's like, I feel bad because I felt like on

1432
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 3: the post game show, I was ready to open a

1433
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 3: vein about it's over.

1434
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 2: Will Campbell's done for the year.

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01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 3: I mean, he still might be, but at least now

1436
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 3: there's a like a glimmer of hope that maybe he

1437
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:26,919
Speaker 3: comes back.

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Speaker 7: You know.

1439
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 1: So I felt yesterday really improved. I was you know,

1440
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 1: I was in a dark No.

1441
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 3: There's a certain point during the show, during the game

1442
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 3: we're watching it and I'm like, I'm not having fun.

1443
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 2: I'm not having fun right now.

1444
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 1: That's tough.

1445
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 4: I mean he's been awesome, Like he's been awesome, and

1446
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 4: I you know, exactly when you draft to tackle fourth overall,

1447
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 4: you want to put him at left tackle for the

1448
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 4: next second, get it. And it feels like they have

1449
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 4: that's going to be bad. He's gonna be bad.

1450
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 3: I mean I had already gone through like the mental

1451
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 3: progression of like and then he gets his a cl

1452
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 3: and then we're like p up next year and maybe he.

1453
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 1: Comes back like I had already like gained this all out.

1454
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 6: And so I didn't offensive Lineman.

1455
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 4: I wasn't thinking about all that.

1456
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:09,439
Speaker 3: Was good and now he might not run as well.

1457
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:11,440
Speaker 3: Maybe you have to wear a clunky knee brace and

1458
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:12,439
Speaker 3: that's gonna look like these are.

1459
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:14,400
Speaker 1: The whole seam they should be wearing.

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Speaker 4: Don't do that?

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Speaker 3: People are well, I puinted that out because I thought

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't do that.

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01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:23,080
Speaker 5: But that's it's a much different situation sometime.

1464
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 3: What it's about to make. And you just talk over

1465
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 3: me like you always do, according to the listeners.

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Speaker 5: I do, I do?

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Speaker 1: That was real?

1468
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 5: That was real, listener, haven't said that? Not a real play?

1469
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:38,960
Speaker 3: Why don't got Why don't offensive Linman wear knee braces anymore?

1470
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 3: Is it just the Patriots? Like I thought of that,

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Speaker 3: and then I was like looking at the film and

1472
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, no, they should have and I remember

1473
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:45,919
Speaker 3: a time when they all did.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, easy to get rolled up on.

1475
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Speaker 4: Yeah, but this wasn't rolled up on, so I don't

1476
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:50,920
Speaker 4: think that. It's just like it would have.

1477
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:52,880
Speaker 1: Had a sharp blow to the side of your work.

1478
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:53,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think this would.

1479
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Speaker 3: But I just I just mean generally think speaking like

1480
01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:58,920
Speaker 3: I feel like not too long ago, all the offensive

1481
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Speaker 3: lineman war knee braces just doesn't matter.

1482
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 4: I think it's adatory in practice. At one point it

1483
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 4: was they were thinking about making a mandatory and I

1484
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 4: don't know what happened with that, but this was a

1485
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 4: blow to the side of his knee from a guy

1486
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:16,519
Speaker 4: that was pursuing the ball. I don't know. I mean,

1487
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Speaker 4: I don't know enough about knee braced mechanics and all that,

1488
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:20,280
Speaker 4: but I can't imagine this one.

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Speaker 1: It's funny because you know, there's this big emphasis on

1490
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:27,679
Speaker 1: on safety in football, but these players, other than helmets,

1491
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:29,720
Speaker 1: they wear less and less pads every year.

1492
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:31,720
Speaker 5: It is, that's true.

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Speaker 3: You see, there was a there was a comparison going

1494
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 3: around on X of like an old thigh pad, like

1495
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:38,720
Speaker 3: a thigh pad from the eighties and like a high

1496
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 3: and they don't even.

1497
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Speaker 1: Wear knee pads. Forget about knee pads or even like

1498
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:43,360
Speaker 1: shimp pads and soccer you ever see those like sometimes

1499
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 1: there's shimp pads used to wear the whole thing, but

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Speaker 1: that I understand. But like, yeah, in football, like even

1501
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:53,519
Speaker 1: the shoulder pads were getting smaller. Did they even wear that?

1502
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 1: Remember that butt pad that we used to have in

1503
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:58,920
Speaker 1: the high school football? Like the copsicks protect do they

1504
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 1: don't protect their coxsacks more? Why is that? The second

1505
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 1: questions a good thing.

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01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:06,759
Speaker 6: We stopped talking, so if you get that out the question.

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Speaker 1: Second question, Paul, does this win? Check the box of

1508
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 1: a game where Drake didn't have his stuff but was

1509
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:15,479
Speaker 1: able to battle and power through it well enough to

1510
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 1: get the w. Yeah, yeah, absolutely agree.

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01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:19,639
Speaker 3: Points of that pop throw is you know, I mean

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01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 3: that was to me a key moment where it felt

1513
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Speaker 3: like they were you know, bad field position. They were

1514
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:26,040
Speaker 3: third and eleven. I mean it felt like they were

1515
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:28,400
Speaker 3: up against it and then launched that throw up.

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Speaker 5: Though they did enough to win as a team, I

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Speaker 5: would say, you know, Drake, everybody else too, but defensively,

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Speaker 5: boor gotless.

1519
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:36,760
Speaker 6: You don't win this game if your.

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Speaker 5: Kicker is not perfect.

1521
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Speaker 2: Probably right, you missed out last.

1522
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 4: He made some long ones too. They had a fifty

1523
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:45,559
Speaker 4: something the arder. I thought that you know, it's we're

1524
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:49,160
Speaker 4: getting so spoiled with Drake May like he he was

1525
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 4: bad by his standards in this game probably you know,

1526
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:54,960
Speaker 4: I had it as his second worst game of the year,

1527
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:57,439
Speaker 4: behind only the opener, and he still made three or

1528
01:09:57,439 --> 01:10:00,000
Speaker 4: four throws that nobody else on the planet can probably make.

1529
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 4: Like it's really like to that point with him where

1530
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:05,759
Speaker 4: it's every single weeks he makes three or four throws

1531
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:07,639
Speaker 4: to make your jaw drop. And you know that seems

1532
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:09,679
Speaker 4: splitter to Pop was a great one. The back shoulder

1533
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:12,920
Speaker 4: seemed to Hooper was another really great one. He threw

1534
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 4: a go to uh you know, fade to Mac Collins

1535
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:19,840
Speaker 4: that was just perfectly plays down the sideline for another

1536
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:22,559
Speaker 4: chunk play. You know, he made three or four throws

1537
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:25,000
Speaker 4: in this game, even on and off day that were

1538
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 4: high level.

1539
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:29,920
Speaker 1: About Pop. I love, you know, he's producing, you know,

1540
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 1: some nice plays lately. But can we get a coach

1541
01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:36,720
Speaker 1: in here that will help him with his balance? He

1542
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 1: just seems to fall down.

1543
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 4: The end around he went down, but every time like

1544
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:43,200
Speaker 4: he gets in the open field, he just falls. Well,

1545
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:44,679
Speaker 4: I thought that he went down on the end around

1546
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 4: because he was gonna get popped, and so he just

1547
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 4: went down little self president and then the one over

1548
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 4: the middle he dope for the catch the ball.

1549
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:52,559
Speaker 6: Yeah so what I hear you?

1550
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 1: That's fine?

1551
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:55,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's been an end around.

1552
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 5: Like maybe you guys might have seen like the defenders

1553
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 5: come like, because we both laughed at that one, like.

1554
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 4: He fea, I thought the same thing. I mean, it

1555
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 4: was a little bit of both. But just to be.

1556
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 1: Fair, you know those balls you can stand on and

1557
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:12,919
Speaker 1: kind of work on your balances.

1558
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 4: I don't know he told me that on the which

1559
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 4: one was It was one of the ones. There's so

1560
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:21,280
Speaker 4: many of these drunken sailor ones from him, and I

1561
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:23,240
Speaker 4: don't know which one it was, but one of the players.

1562
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:26,040
Speaker 4: He told me that he like gave himself like a

1563
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:28,479
Speaker 4: little bit of whiplash because he looked back to see

1564
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:30,760
Speaker 4: if there was a defender going back and then when

1565
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 4: he snapped his head forward, Yeah, I got like disoriented.

1566
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 4: So I just wonder if like maybe that is part

1567
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 4: of it, like he's like kind of looking around. Ton't

1568
01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:43,479
Speaker 4: do that, just run you think it all goes back

1569
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:44,439
Speaker 4: to it can beat people.

1570
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 1: You don't need to look Brendan and Edmonton. Once again,

1571
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:49,679
Speaker 1: Todd won ups himself and only a way he could

1572
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 1: by suggesting tanking a week with eight eight days away

1573
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:56,599
Speaker 1: from a game to rest before a bye week. I'm

1574
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:59,559
Speaker 1: sure Todd was happy with his participation medals in his

1575
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 1: sports career, but us normies are not. This guy is cooked. Wow,

1576
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 1: and also shout out to Alex for her glow up.

1577
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:09,880
Speaker 1: I hope she remembers us when she's gone Hollywood. Yeah, Carissa,

1578
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:15,600
Speaker 1: what's her name, Rissa Thompson, Chrissa Thompson. Uh, you know,

1579
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:19,679
Speaker 1: shouted her out on the internet on the new podcast

1580
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:21,960
Speaker 1: on the Internet of the top podcasts.

1581
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:24,080
Speaker 3: I mean, we're the world's original podcast, but I would

1582
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 3: say the Kelsey's podcast a little bit more popular. But yeah, yeah,

1583
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:32,720
Speaker 3: that's huge, said baller move with the handwritten note, like

1584
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:34,519
Speaker 3: slip that to her and now.

1585
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 5: It came up.

1586
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:40,879
Speaker 1: That's pretty cool. That's really cool. Yeah, I mean I don't.

1587
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:43,200
Speaker 6: Maybe we'll have her on. Maybe she'll be on tomorrow

1588
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:44,200
Speaker 6: show tomorrow.

1589
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe she can.

1590
01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 6: Uh you know, you can talk about maybe delve into that.

1591
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:48,720
Speaker 10: Chris.

1592
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 2: You won't be here, Paul, so you don't get to

1593
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:50,519
Speaker 2: listen to it.

1594
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:54,120
Speaker 5: Mike and I we had some time with Carissa. I'm

1595
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 5: not sure Chrissa knows that she had time when I was.

1596
01:12:57,320 --> 01:13:00,000
Speaker 4: Seems very interested in Chris's whereabouts when they were here.

1597
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 5: I know she like they on the Thursday night games,

1598
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:07,559
Speaker 5: like that whole crew, and it's there's a lot. There's

1599
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:09,519
Speaker 5: a lot that goes into those Thursday night broadcasts. That

1600
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 5: whole crew was in our area the whole time around.

1601
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 5: They were like walking around.

1602
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 1: I once sent a letter, so you're not asked a

1603
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:18,479
Speaker 1: letter to be delivered to John Elway, but I don't

1604
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:22,480
Speaker 1: think you ever got it. You should, you know, at

1605
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:23,040
Speaker 1: home every week?

1606
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 3: What do you think if I gave a handwritten note

1607
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:27,559
Speaker 3: to Laura Rutledge this Monday night for Monday Night football,

1608
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 3: because she'll.

1609
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:30,360
Speaker 4: Be here that ship with the crazy.

1610
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:37,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe maybe you'll get a shout I want to

1611
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:38,760
Speaker 3: shout out for I think she's great.

1612
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:40,559
Speaker 5: She's great, She's just great.

1613
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:42,840
Speaker 1: Who if you could give a handwritten note to anyone?

1614
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:46,559
Speaker 1: Who would you give a handwritten note to? Mhmm?

1615
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:48,760
Speaker 6: Handwritten note?

1616
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, you don't know.

1617
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 2: People don't do that anymore, they don't.

1618
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 1: People don't write Jim Calhoun random about you, Evan?

1619
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:00,880
Speaker 5: Who would you? Philip Bailey? Good call there?

1620
01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:03,559
Speaker 4: Who would you write a note to a handwritten note,

1621
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:05,840
Speaker 4: you know, like a note of thanks or a note

1622
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:06,400
Speaker 4: of praise.

1623
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:08,680
Speaker 5: How will we do this? I have ever written a

1624
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:09,800
Speaker 5: handwritten note.

1625
01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 4: Like when I write camp and I would I'd have

1626
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:16,120
Speaker 4: to write letters to my parents. It was mad, so

1627
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 4: I had to do it. I would say handwritten. Not

1628
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 4: Kyle Shanahan, just like like slip them a little note

1629
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:24,320
Speaker 4: at the combine and just be like, I really appreciate

1630
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 4: your film. Thank you, just kind of.

1631
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:28,120
Speaker 3: You must have gotten a lot of handwritten thank you

1632
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:30,560
Speaker 3: notes friend your day with number of interviews.

1633
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:31,280
Speaker 2: That you used to do appeal.

1634
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 1: Nobody does that the email?

1635
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:36,439
Speaker 5: What would you who would you give a note to.

1636
01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:43,880
Speaker 1: Handwritten note? Uh? John Lynch, No, I don't know. I

1637
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:44,280
Speaker 1: don't know.

1638
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 5: It's not an easy question that you hit me with.

1639
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 5: You kind of yeah, you scoffed at me.

1640
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:50,640
Speaker 4: I did I did write I call it would be

1641
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:51,080
Speaker 4: my answer.

1642
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:54,640
Speaker 1: I did. I did write a note to Obama and

1643
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:57,559
Speaker 1: I got an email back from second the White House.

1644
01:14:58,640 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 1: That's cool.

1645
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:02,439
Speaker 4: It's like when you send like a invitation to the president,

1646
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 4: like you're like barbar your wedding or something, and they're like,

1647
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 4: you're sorry, but he can't come. Yeah, really, I thought

1648
01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:11,240
Speaker 4: he was going to show up.

1649
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:12,120
Speaker 9: Uh.

1650
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 1: Paul writes in I've certainly never been embarrassed by my

1651
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:20,080
Speaker 1: sports team, but just this morning, I was walking through

1652
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:23,800
Speaker 1: the grocery store in my Patriots hoodie and came face

1653
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:25,840
Speaker 1: to face with a guy dressed in Bill's gear. We

1654
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:28,679
Speaker 1: both looked directly at each other, and I couldn't help

1655
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:32,240
Speaker 1: but smirk. I hated being that guy the last few years.

1656
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:35,400
Speaker 1: Have a great Thanksgiving gopats so.

1657
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:42,200
Speaker 3: Good moment these little eyebrows experience too, A big one

1658
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:42,840
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks.

1659
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:44,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, poor poor Bills fans.

1660
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:48,360
Speaker 4: Huh, poor Bills. We'll see, we'll up against I don't

1661
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:51,439
Speaker 4: have any money, but somebody that does have money. When

1662
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:54,000
Speaker 4: the Patriots win the AFC East, can we get a

1663
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:56,639
Speaker 4: billboard outside of high Mark Stadium?

1664
01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:56,960
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1665
01:15:56,960 --> 01:15:59,760
Speaker 4: Sure that says like we run the East or something

1666
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 4: cool like they did to hear because they won't.

1667
01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:05,280
Speaker 5: I'm sure that no one would do that Patriots fan.

1668
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:08,479
Speaker 4: You know, celebrating division titles like they mean anything. So

1669
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:10,600
Speaker 4: I might as well give it back right to the

1670
01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 4: great people of Buffalo. Think you right? Someone that has

1671
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:17,519
Speaker 4: like you know, I can't afford it, so somebody in Buffalo.

1672
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:19,760
Speaker 1: Probably pretty affordable, I would make. That's a great point.

1673
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:22,600
Speaker 4: They pay you a good point. Or maybe like one

1674
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:25,120
Speaker 4: of those planes that like fids like over the stadium

1675
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:28,879
Speaker 4: with the as like a Champions Patriots.

1676
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 3: Some Steeler fan did that over here against Pittsburgh and

1677
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:35,000
Speaker 3: O seven, the pulling a banner like asterix about Super Bowls.

1678
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:36,160
Speaker 2: I did not take comment to that.

1679
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:37,680
Speaker 4: That was the one thing that they did that It

1680
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 4: really pissed me off.

1681
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:44,000
Speaker 1: And back to the phones. Michael's in Texas. What's up, Michael?

1682
01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:47,960
Speaker 23: Hey, thanks for you guys.

1683
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:48,280
Speaker 12: Hear me?

1684
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:51,679
Speaker 24: Okay, yep, yes, Michael, perfect.

1685
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:55,759
Speaker 23: So I've got a question and a grite my question.

1686
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 23: I know it's hard to you know, pinpoint and say

1687
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:00,960
Speaker 23: one or the other. But if you had to pick

1688
01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 23: one of the two, with this last weekend's game being

1689
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 23: kind of the one of the sloppier ones as of late,

1690
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:09,640
Speaker 23: and seeing our armor peel back a little bit, who

1691
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:14,639
Speaker 23: would you credit win more with the players or the coaches.

1692
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:18,479
Speaker 23: I'll take that off air, but I'll just quickly jump

1693
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 23: to my gripe and then let you guys get to it.

1694
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:26,280
Speaker 23: Good old Christian in La Christian Christian Christian you're telling

1695
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:28,879
Speaker 23: me that you waited on hold for at least fifteen

1696
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:31,320
Speaker 23: to twenty minutes and the best you could come up

1697
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:35,280
Speaker 23: with was stumbling through some god awful Texas jokes. I mean,

1698
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:37,840
Speaker 23: thank you for clearing up at least one thing that

1699
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:40,280
Speaker 23: one of these self proclaimed tools that you have to

1700
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:44,519
Speaker 23: comeback is certainly not one of them. Got to mention

1701
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:46,720
Speaker 23: your joke as a hole in it. You mentioned that

1702
01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:49,679
Speaker 23: you only know of two things in Texas, when that's

1703
01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:52,439
Speaker 23: a bit of a lie because I'm clearly living rent

1704
01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:56,000
Speaker 23: free in your mind. So let's put that tool back

1705
01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 23: into your Stanley Junior toolbox set that you probably took

1706
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:01,840
Speaker 23: out of your kids, don't. I don't want you to

1707
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:05,040
Speaker 23: hurt yourself there, Bud, But I'll go ahead and I'll

1708
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:07,400
Speaker 23: stop there. You know, I know that everybody loves a

1709
01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:10,400
Speaker 23: good villain. You know, you guys are great. Andy was

1710
01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:13,400
Speaker 23: great at it and everything, you know, But Christian, I

1711
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:16,559
Speaker 23: don't want you thinking that I'm lumping you into that group.

1712
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:19,880
Speaker 23: I said good villain, not crap villain. So I hope

1713
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:22,880
Speaker 23: you guys enjoy the rest of your wowy Christian, enjoy

1714
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:26,519
Speaker 23: enjoy your sushi and seeing your discounts see you guys later.

1715
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:30,680
Speaker 1: All right, Michael bringing it, Texas claps back, bringing it

1716
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:36,520
Speaker 1: listener on listener crime. Okay, I'm here for that, right, Yeah,

1717
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:37,280
Speaker 1: let's go.

1718
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:43,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, Christian in La in three two, Tyrell's in New Jersey.

1719
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:53,080
Speaker 1: What's up Tyrell? Tyrell? What exit? No, he's not there. Okay,

1720
01:18:53,320 --> 01:18:56,400
Speaker 1: we'll go. Also dance in New Jersey. What's up Dan?

1721
01:18:57,479 --> 01:18:59,400
Speaker 7: Yeah? Montclair, Montclair?

1722
01:18:59,479 --> 01:19:05,559
Speaker 12: Okay, Yeah, yeah, So not not angry, Fred, just but

1723
01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:07,000
Speaker 12: I do have a couple of concerns.

1724
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:08,240
Speaker 10: Uh.

1725
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 12: First, you know, not going to belabor it, but the

1726
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:12,720
Speaker 12: slow starts is getting to be, you know, kind of

1727
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:16,439
Speaker 12: a joke. But I understand they overcome it. No, okay.

1728
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:21,200
Speaker 12: The second one is the goal line offense. And I

1729
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:24,560
Speaker 12: don't know if if anyone broke it down, Like is

1730
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:30,400
Speaker 12: there a particular problem. How many were gravers, how many

1731
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:35,880
Speaker 12: were Rimandre Thams versus Trevion And is it personnel or

1732
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:37,800
Speaker 12: they just bad luck?

1733
01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:39,360
Speaker 6: They all got chances they try.

1734
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:42,200
Speaker 1: If you listen to the beginning of the show, Evan

1735
01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:44,560
Speaker 1: kind of broke down at least one of the sequences.

1736
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:49,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, Henderson got carries, Terrell Jennings got I think one

1737
01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:52,200
Speaker 5: carry down there Stevenson I think got two.

1738
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:54,200
Speaker 6: Henderson also was a receiver.

1739
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:57,479
Speaker 5: They tried a quarterback sneak, They tried to leak the

1740
01:19:57,520 --> 01:19:59,680
Speaker 5: tight end out a little bit, you know, in the

1741
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:02,960
Speaker 5: back in the end zone. They tried everything. They didn't

1742
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:04,639
Speaker 5: execute it, and.

1743
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:08,960
Speaker 12: Campbell was there for both all that was. His injury

1744
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:09,759
Speaker 12: came later.

1745
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:14,400
Speaker 4: Soon in the third quarter. I think, so, yeah, thanks Dan.

1746
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:16,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I mean they might not have been in

1747
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:17,840
Speaker 5: the second time they got down.

1748
01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:20,439
Speaker 4: This is purely execution like that. I don't think the

1749
01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:24,080
Speaker 4: Bengals did anything in any in either sequence that got

1750
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:27,599
Speaker 4: the Patriots. Or maybe one play they blitzed the safety

1751
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:29,880
Speaker 4: on a play action that got them. But like for

1752
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:31,280
Speaker 4: the most part this was I.

1753
01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:33,720
Speaker 1: Thought that they ran too many plays up the middle.

1754
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 4: Like run plays. Yeah, okay, but if you're trying to

1755
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:39,120
Speaker 4: get one yard, no.

1756
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:42,160
Speaker 1: I know, but they were running into a stone wall,

1757
01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:44,320
Speaker 1: so like, I don't know, I would have moved it

1758
01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:47,080
Speaker 1: outside a little bit, that's fair. I thought the one play,

1759
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:49,680
Speaker 1: I think it was the first one they tried, it was,

1760
01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:53,120
Speaker 1: you know, design roll out for May where I think

1761
01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:58,520
Speaker 1: he could have had I like that play, but I,

1762
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:01,440
Speaker 1: like you said at Bengals niff that out they.

1763
01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:03,479
Speaker 4: I don't think it was a designed rollout. I think

1764
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 4: he rolled out because the safety was coming.

1765
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 1: Oh you think, Oh, I thought it was a design play.

1766
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 4: But the city we might have been, I don't know,

1767
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:14,040
Speaker 4: but the safety was clear to the quarterback, and I

1768
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:15,760
Speaker 4: think he was like, I got to get out of here. No,

1769
01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:19,519
Speaker 4: but it was it was execution. They did not execute

1770
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:20,040
Speaker 4: well down there.

1771
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:24,280
Speaker 1: On handwritten notes, Boston Cream said Fred would give a

1772
01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:27,799
Speaker 1: handwritten note to Brandon Spikes if you know, you know correct?

1773
01:21:31,080 --> 01:21:32,840
Speaker 1: I know, and I.

1774
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:33,400
Speaker 2: Don't like it.

1775
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:39,240
Speaker 1: Let's see Matt in Virginia. It wants to make a

1776
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:43,000
Speaker 1: humble attempt to win a T shirt. A few weeks ago,

1777
01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:45,240
Speaker 1: you guys were talking about Brady and his punts. Well,

1778
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:47,320
Speaker 1: I decided to scour the internet to find out how

1779
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:51,680
Speaker 1: many times Tom punted. And so the first question is

1780
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:54,840
Speaker 1: how many punts did Tom Brady have in his career?

1781
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:56,920
Speaker 3: And his page he had won against Denver in the

1782
01:21:57,000 --> 01:22:00,240
Speaker 3: twenty eleven I'm gonna say AFC Divisional game.

1783
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:02,360
Speaker 4: I think four say.

1784
01:22:02,360 --> 01:22:04,160
Speaker 1: You would say wrong, you would be wrong, and Paul,

1785
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:06,719
Speaker 1: you would be wrong, you would be wrong. Two three

1786
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:13,040
Speaker 1: oh home at Miami and O three Uh. It was

1787
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:17,200
Speaker 1: down at the one snowing Snowbowl in those snows game, Yes,

1788
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:21,320
Speaker 1: in those weird silver alternate jerseys. Punt two at home

1789
01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:25,200
Speaker 1: Divisional round versus the Broncos in twenty twelve. It was

1790
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:26,280
Speaker 1: a twenty eleventh.

1791
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:28,280
Speaker 5: Season eleven, right, Mike's yeah.

1792
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:28,640
Speaker 11: Uh.

1793
01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:31,599
Speaker 1: Punt three was at home versus the Bills in twenty thirteen,

1794
01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:36,000
Speaker 1: no recollection, I remember that one. And then the bonus question,

1795
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:41,040
Speaker 1: what is Tom's career punt average? That's three two yards

1796
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:43,439
Speaker 1: thirty eight point seven. That's not good.

1797
01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:45,600
Speaker 4: Pretty close, I mean, well, he's punted.

1798
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:45,960
Speaker 6: And you're punting.

1799
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:50,200
Speaker 5: You're punting in plus territory nine, right.

1800
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:54,799
Speaker 1: And bonus two? What other one other Patriots quarterback has punted?

1801
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 1: Who was it?

1802
01:22:57,280 --> 01:22:59,320
Speaker 6: Only one other Patriots ever?

1803
01:22:59,400 --> 01:23:01,800
Speaker 5: According to that, that's a great trivia question.

1804
01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:08,280
Speaker 1: Tom Tupa was a punter. Oh yeah, that's that count nou. Yeah,

1805
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:11,120
Speaker 1: he doesn't have that though. That's a good one though.

1806
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:15,599
Speaker 1: Tom Tupa was, Yeah, no, he has Matt Castle at

1807
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:17,559
Speaker 1: the Bills in wait, it was down at the.

1808
01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:19,760
Speaker 5: One another one in the window in that wind one.

1809
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:21,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sticking with Tom Tuba.

1810
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:26,879
Speaker 1: That's a technicality punter slash quarterback.

1811
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:28,840
Speaker 2: They don't make them like they used to.

1812
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:32,280
Speaker 4: They don't. Could you imagine only had to have one

1813
01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:36,920
Speaker 4: roster spot on? I think that's a great idea. I

1814
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:39,080
Speaker 4: can't imagine. I can't believe that Bill never figured out

1815
01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:40,439
Speaker 4: how to have a kicker and a punter be the

1816
01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:42,720
Speaker 4: same person like that. That's the other one that I

1817
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:46,040
Speaker 4: thought for sure, like he would be able to save

1818
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:46,920
Speaker 4: the roster spot.

1819
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:48,840
Speaker 3: And you know, it's like show Tony, there's got to

1820
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:52,040
Speaker 3: be somebody who could kick punts and kickfield goals like

1821
01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:53,240
Speaker 3: someone ever.

1822
01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:54,400
Speaker 1: In history able to do it.

1823
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:58,240
Speaker 4: Wouldn't that be valuable? Like you have a free roster

1824
01:23:58,320 --> 01:23:59,120
Speaker 4: spot like.

1825
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:02,280
Speaker 3: A unif corn out there someday, then if that guy

1826
01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:03,400
Speaker 3: gets hurt, though, you're screwed.

1827
01:24:04,439 --> 01:24:10,240
Speaker 1: That's true. You need to That's true, Jack and Aba.

1828
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:14,240
Speaker 1: The Patriots must buckle their shin straps for the Giants.

1829
01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:16,799
Speaker 1: I watched the Giants against the Lions, and the Giants

1830
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:19,760
Speaker 1: are a much better team than their record suggests. Though

1831
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:22,400
Speaker 1: they don't have elite skilled players, they are very stout

1832
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:25,680
Speaker 1: on both sides of the line. They play hard, and

1833
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:28,360
Speaker 1: they are well coached. They have led in most of

1834
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:31,320
Speaker 1: their games this season, and had they taken the points

1835
01:24:31,320 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 1: instead of going for a touchdown on their second to

1836
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:36,840
Speaker 1: last possession, they would have beat the Lions. The Giants

1837
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:39,800
Speaker 1: are a dangerous opponent because the Patriots might be inclined

1838
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:40,759
Speaker 1: to take them lightly.

1839
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:44,920
Speaker 3: You know, I'm a little few Johnson, like, he just

1840
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:48,360
Speaker 3: a big, big dude. And I noticed, especially with Dart,

1841
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:50,160
Speaker 3: there was like one drive they had and I think

1842
01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:51,559
Speaker 3: it was in that Bears game where he just went

1843
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:53,840
Speaker 3: to like four straight times, like they started hitting it.

1844
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:56,000
Speaker 1: But he's a big, contested catch.

1845
01:24:55,840 --> 01:25:00,559
Speaker 4: Guy receiver, make some good catches like that back.

1846
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:01,240
Speaker 2: He makes some plays last week.

1847
01:25:01,320 --> 01:25:03,120
Speaker 3: You know, I just think I think the books out

1848
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:04,519
Speaker 3: on tront the target tight ends against this.

1849
01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:07,639
Speaker 4: Yeah. I don't know if I've called the Giants defense stout.

1850
01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:10,120
Speaker 4: I think that's the opposite of what I would call

1851
01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:13,599
Speaker 4: the Giants defense. But I hear his point overall about

1852
01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:16,360
Speaker 4: the Giants, They've been in a lot of games. You know,

1853
01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:20,360
Speaker 4: their records two and ten. They've lost five games that

1854
01:25:20,360 --> 01:25:23,920
Speaker 4: they've led by double digits in the fourth quarter. They're

1855
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:27,760
Speaker 4: one in five and one score games. They're you know,

1856
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:30,439
Speaker 4: they they've hung in games, you know, three weeks in

1857
01:25:30,479 --> 01:25:33,519
Speaker 4: a row, they've lost three straight one score games, including

1858
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 4: one in overtime, so it's not.

1859
01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:38,719
Speaker 6: Four twenty seven in overtime.

1860
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:39,800
Speaker 4: They're not getting blown out.

1861
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:40,920
Speaker 6: That's the last three games.

1862
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:44,480
Speaker 4: Their defense been bad. Their offense has actually been respectable

1863
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:48,200
Speaker 4: given the situation. You know, no neighbors for most of

1864
01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:51,080
Speaker 4: the year. The quarterback's kind of been flux. The coach

1865
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:54,800
Speaker 4: was an offensive minded coach that they fired. But their

1866
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:57,280
Speaker 4: offense like eighteenth and Dvoa, Like, it's not like it's

1867
01:25:57,320 --> 01:25:57,839
Speaker 4: a disaster.

1868
01:25:58,160 --> 01:25:59,000
Speaker 1: It's not the it's not.

1869
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:02,040
Speaker 3: The wounded animal that people make like dangerous when his

1870
01:26:02,040 --> 01:26:03,880
Speaker 3: animals are really dangerous. But it's just a team that

1871
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:06,479
Speaker 3: like they're just gonna cut it loose and everything's on

1872
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:08,240
Speaker 3: the table and you know, like that, it's just I

1873
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:10,479
Speaker 3: think those are hard teams to beat if they just

1874
01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:12,680
Speaker 3: come in and they're like, we don't care. You know,

1875
01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:14,320
Speaker 3: we're down, we're up, we don't you know, We're gonna

1876
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:16,639
Speaker 3: throw the ball, We're gonna do double passes, and we're

1877
01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:19,640
Speaker 3: gonna set our outside linebackers out on your tackles and

1878
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:20,479
Speaker 3: we'll see what happens.

1879
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:20,840
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1880
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:23,120
Speaker 4: Now, on the other hand, Jameis Winston might throw you

1881
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:25,000
Speaker 4: three picks and then all of a sudden, this game

1882
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:28,360
Speaker 4: turns into a blowout, but it goes one of two

1883
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:30,599
Speaker 4: ways with him. Yeah, either he throws for five hundred

1884
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:32,719
Speaker 4: yards or he throws five hundred yards to the other team.

1885
01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:36,960
Speaker 5: And there's some of what we just talked about with Flacco. Yeah,

1886
01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:40,160
Speaker 5: I don't think Flacco is quite as dramatic with the

1887
01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:43,479
Speaker 5: swings as Jameis Winston. But if you get good Flacco,

1888
01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:45,519
Speaker 5: you can be in trouble. You didn't get good Flacco.

1889
01:26:45,640 --> 01:26:48,320
Speaker 5: I think it's I think he was clearly well below

1890
01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:50,719
Speaker 5: one hundred percent, which is why I would have played

1891
01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:53,160
Speaker 5: Burrow in that game. I would have been desperate if

1892
01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:55,800
Speaker 5: I was Cincinnati, and I would have put everything into

1893
01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:57,320
Speaker 5: trying to win that game to see if I can

1894
01:26:57,360 --> 01:27:01,680
Speaker 5: salvage the season, and ultimately may have been the difference I.

1895
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:04,000
Speaker 3: Think I saw he's had seven games where he's thrown

1896
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:06,440
Speaker 3: for three hundred yards and throwing three interceptions.

1897
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:10,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's he doesn't understand the concept of a trap corner,

1898
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:12,360
Speaker 4: so like he's praying to Jesus.

1899
01:27:12,439 --> 01:27:14,400
Speaker 3: He said, He's, like, man, I pray to God he

1900
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:16,360
Speaker 3: could just help me stop throwing pick sixes.

1901
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:19,000
Speaker 4: It's unbelievable to me that like a corner. And I'm

1902
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:21,720
Speaker 4: not trying to pick on James a cornerback that is

1903
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:25,639
Speaker 4: that that is dis experienced, and he just keeps throwing

1904
01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:28,960
Speaker 4: into the corner, will like act like he's carrying the

1905
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:31,200
Speaker 4: receiver and then fall off the receiver and just jump

1906
01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:33,960
Speaker 4: around underneath, and he throws into it every single time.

1907
01:27:34,240 --> 01:27:36,479
Speaker 4: I'm I, dude, this it's a trap. It is literally

1908
01:27:36,479 --> 01:27:38,720
Speaker 4: called a trap corner. And you keep throwing the ball right.

1909
01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:43,360
Speaker 1: After he's still even after. Yeah, it's crazy Kevin and Mass.

1910
01:27:43,439 --> 01:27:46,160
Speaker 1: I think what was more concerning than the spray throws

1911
01:27:46,200 --> 01:27:48,160
Speaker 1: from May early in the game was the lack of

1912
01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:52,080
Speaker 1: a contingency plan for several blitzes the Bengals sent at us.

1913
01:27:52,120 --> 01:27:55,120
Speaker 1: I saw multiple free blitzers get immediate pressure on May

1914
01:27:55,560 --> 01:27:58,920
Speaker 1: didn't seem to be well identified pre snap. I didn't

1915
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:01,559
Speaker 1: see the lines slid to the correct side or see

1916
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:05,360
Speaker 1: any alert adjustments from potential hot receivers. May either took

1917
01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:07,800
Speaker 1: the sack or chucked up a prayer. I know his

1918
01:28:07,880 --> 01:28:10,759
Speaker 1: pressure numbers have been good up until last game, which

1919
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:12,800
Speaker 1: is why I would have liked to think he would

1920
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:15,920
Speaker 1: have been better equipped to handle what the Bengals did.

1921
01:28:16,439 --> 01:28:19,000
Speaker 4: Yep, it's a good email. I think that was probably

1922
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:22,000
Speaker 4: the biggest concern coming out of this game from a

1923
01:28:22,040 --> 01:28:25,360
Speaker 4: Drake May perspective, Like the pick like it happens, like

1924
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:28,800
Speaker 4: you're gonna you're not gonna go turnover free every single week.

1925
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:31,160
Speaker 4: You're gonna throw some picks in the NFL. Uh, the

1926
01:28:31,320 --> 01:28:34,240
Speaker 4: lack of a plan against the blitzeres I asked him

1927
01:28:34,240 --> 01:28:36,599
Speaker 4: about after the game. He fell on this sword as

1928
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:38,200
Speaker 4: he usually does and said that he could have been

1929
01:28:38,200 --> 01:28:40,959
Speaker 4: better with it pre snap and you know, getting guys

1930
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:44,000
Speaker 4: blocked and things like that. But even still some of

1931
01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:46,960
Speaker 4: the ones, you know, they got him on a nickel

1932
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:49,000
Speaker 4: on a slot blitz that I thought Diggs was just

1933
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:52,479
Speaker 4: open and he kind of froze and didn't didn't get

1934
01:28:52,520 --> 01:28:55,080
Speaker 4: rid of the football there. Or think Rabel said even

1935
01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:57,320
Speaker 4: just throw the ball at Digs his feet and just

1936
01:28:57,400 --> 01:29:00,120
Speaker 4: live to play the dirdy the next down, you know

1937
01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:02,679
Speaker 4: sort of thing even would have worked. Uh, the last

1938
01:29:02,720 --> 01:29:05,320
Speaker 4: third down of the game, they led a guy through

1939
01:29:05,320 --> 01:29:08,519
Speaker 4: the B gap unblocked and that was almost picked.

1940
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:11,639
Speaker 6: And I didn't like his response to that one either.

1941
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:15,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, so he so I think what happened was and

1942
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:18,599
Speaker 4: I put this in after further review the one that

1943
01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:20,719
Speaker 4: I'm talking about with the slot blitz. He had digs

1944
01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:23,120
Speaker 4: on a little out that he just kind of didn't throw,

1945
01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:26,760
Speaker 4: and then they ran the same exact route into the

1946
01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:30,240
Speaker 4: zero bulitz and Turner was ready for it this time,

1947
01:29:30,280 --> 01:29:32,360
Speaker 4: and so he fell off his guy and jumped out

1948
01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:35,800
Speaker 4: knowing that it was coming, and Turner was this close

1949
01:29:35,840 --> 01:29:37,839
Speaker 4: to a pick six that would have won the Bengels

1950
01:29:37,880 --> 01:29:41,200
Speaker 4: the game. Uh So. But going back to the protection

1951
01:29:41,439 --> 01:29:43,960
Speaker 4: for a second, like the A and the B gaps

1952
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:47,639
Speaker 4: have to be protected. You can't let guys through unblocked

1953
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:48,080
Speaker 4: through the A.

1954
01:29:48,120 --> 01:29:48,360
Speaker 5: And the B.

1955
01:29:48,720 --> 01:29:51,040
Speaker 4: Somebody comes off the edge, it happens. You know, the

1956
01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:53,880
Speaker 4: quarterback can account for that, but you got to keep

1957
01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:55,559
Speaker 4: him protected through the middle of the pocket.

1958
01:29:56,880 --> 01:30:02,559
Speaker 1: Uh Tay from Nebraska, He says, just want to First off,

1959
01:30:02,560 --> 01:30:05,639
Speaker 1: we came through when it matters yet again. Second, I'm

1960
01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:08,880
Speaker 1: not trying to stir up controversy, but watching the first

1961
01:30:08,880 --> 01:30:11,760
Speaker 1: time and even the second, it really appeared Cincinnati was

1962
01:30:11,800 --> 01:30:16,200
Speaker 1: trying to actively injure our players. For example, the overslam

1963
01:30:16,240 --> 01:30:19,320
Speaker 1: of Pop Douglas. Also another play where Drake was getting

1964
01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:22,599
Speaker 1: tackled by two players and the one on top literally

1965
01:30:22,640 --> 01:30:25,280
Speaker 1: punched him in the face. Maybe I'm looking too much

1966
01:30:25,320 --> 01:30:27,639
Speaker 1: into it. Either way, we got the win. Yet again,

1967
01:30:28,439 --> 01:30:29,920
Speaker 1: they probably were trying to hurt us.

1968
01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:32,920
Speaker 5: I would just say on the Douglas one, he hadn't

1969
01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:35,680
Speaker 5: been touched down. He got up and ran, That's why

1970
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:41,040
Speaker 5: they threw him down. Yeah, despite the fact that Kevin

1971
01:30:41,080 --> 01:30:45,880
Speaker 5: Harlan called that a touchdown for yard touchdown, he did

1972
01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:47,720
Speaker 5: say that it was a great Now, I don't know

1973
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:50,400
Speaker 5: if he was saying touch he was touched down, but

1974
01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:54,800
Speaker 5: he said touchdown. That was one of the worst performances

1975
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:58,599
Speaker 5: by a veteran play by play guy misidentified players all

1976
01:30:58,640 --> 01:30:59,200
Speaker 5: game long.

1977
01:30:59,400 --> 01:31:03,439
Speaker 4: Like I was thinking about this last night as I do.

1978
01:31:04,040 --> 01:31:05,920
Speaker 4: The throat to pop might have been the best throw

1979
01:31:05,920 --> 01:31:07,240
Speaker 4: I've seen in the NFL all year.

1980
01:31:07,479 --> 01:31:08,479
Speaker 5: That was a good throw like that.

1981
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:12,599
Speaker 4: Really, that's on the list of any quarterback throws all

1982
01:31:12,640 --> 01:31:13,960
Speaker 4: season long. That's on the list.

1983
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:16,160
Speaker 5: I got a funny Top five funny quick one for this.

1984
01:31:16,240 --> 01:31:18,519
Speaker 5: In the post game, I had said that, you know,

1985
01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:20,519
Speaker 5: we were talking about how Drake was a little off

1986
01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:21,800
Speaker 5: at the beginning of the game, and I was like,

1987
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:24,160
Speaker 5: you know, even when he got quote unquote hot, like

1988
01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:27,920
Speaker 5: they like, Henry was just kind of getting wide open,

1989
01:31:27,960 --> 01:31:29,240
Speaker 5: and he was he didn't really have a lot of

1990
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:30,040
Speaker 5: tight window throws.

1991
01:31:30,080 --> 01:31:31,880
Speaker 6: And Mike immediately goes, well that one.

1992
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:33,320
Speaker 5: Pop talk was like, oh yeah.

1993
01:31:33,160 --> 01:31:39,880
Speaker 6: That one, Oh yeah, that one's throw, and I was like, oh,

1994
01:31:39,880 --> 01:31:40,800
Speaker 6: I forgot about that one.

1995
01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:42,960
Speaker 4: His feet are in his own end zone and he

1996
01:31:43,080 --> 01:31:45,920
Speaker 4: and he throws with anticipation forty yards down.

1997
01:31:47,320 --> 01:31:49,559
Speaker 3: That just kind of like he like looked back and

1998
01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:51,479
Speaker 3: then he got around the guy and like, I mean,

1999
01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:53,599
Speaker 3: absurd were he lets go with the ball? Pop hasn't

2000
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:55,799
Speaker 3: even really like nottten in. I mean, that's just practicing.

2001
01:31:56,800 --> 01:31:59,639
Speaker 1: Dylan writes in I was listening to Barth on one

2002
01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:02,679
Speaker 1: of his shows, and he points out that despite Drake

2003
01:32:02,720 --> 01:32:06,200
Speaker 1: playing exceptionally well, he's not very good at the QB sneak.

2004
01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:09,160
Speaker 1: What is your take on putting someone else under center

2005
01:32:09,200 --> 01:32:12,479
Speaker 1: for Sneaks? Bart suggested Hollins, but I like Henry or

2006
01:32:12,520 --> 01:32:14,400
Speaker 1: Hooper in that role. Who would you pick?

2007
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:17,960
Speaker 4: It's a good point. Turns this back that Alex and

2008
01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:20,639
Speaker 4: I have talked about before. I want to say probably him,

2009
01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:22,599
Speaker 4: but I want to say that we have.

2010
01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:24,600
Speaker 15: It.

2011
01:32:24,720 --> 01:32:27,519
Speaker 4: You know, Sneaks is all about pad level, Like Brady

2012
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:29,719
Speaker 4: was so good at it because he got really really

2013
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:31,920
Speaker 4: low and you know, really drove his legs and got

2014
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:35,920
Speaker 4: underneath and kind of like burrowed underneath the big bodies there.

2015
01:32:36,520 --> 01:32:38,000
Speaker 4: I don't think he gets low enough. I think he

2016
01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:40,280
Speaker 4: tries to go over the top with it and and

2017
01:32:40,360 --> 01:32:42,640
Speaker 4: it doesn't really get that push, all right.

2018
01:32:43,320 --> 01:32:44,839
Speaker 1: I potentially analyze that.

2019
01:32:44,840 --> 01:32:47,559
Speaker 5: He turns us back, and he definitely turned his back

2020
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:49,320
Speaker 5: on that one, and that's why the ball never got

2021
01:32:49,320 --> 01:32:49,960
Speaker 5: to the goal line.

2022
01:32:50,040 --> 01:32:52,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, Brady used to just go straight down like he

2023
01:32:52,160 --> 01:32:55,040
Speaker 4: would just kind of like burrow underneath it.

2024
01:32:56,479 --> 01:32:59,200
Speaker 1: Eric says, this is why we should have kept Dugger

2025
01:32:59,240 --> 01:33:02,840
Speaker 1: and White. They're both doing well in Pittsburgh and San Francisco.

2026
01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:03,960
Speaker 1: What do you guys think.

2027
01:33:05,320 --> 01:33:07,080
Speaker 4: I don't know how that helps the situation.

2028
01:33:07,240 --> 01:33:08,040
Speaker 2: I haven't seen any of.

2029
01:33:08,479 --> 01:33:11,760
Speaker 5: I haven't seen any I can't tell you that that's

2030
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:14,680
Speaker 5: right or wrong. Douggers made an impact in Pittsburgh, but

2031
01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:18,040
Speaker 5: he wasn't playing really here unless one of those guys

2032
01:33:18,120 --> 01:33:18,439
Speaker 5: was hurt.

2033
01:33:18,479 --> 01:33:20,160
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess you could make the argument that

2034
01:33:20,240 --> 01:33:22,960
Speaker 4: ke On White could have rushed inside on some third

2035
01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:24,320
Speaker 4: downs without Milton Williams.

2036
01:33:24,400 --> 01:33:25,080
Speaker 2: That's a fair point.

2037
01:33:25,120 --> 01:33:27,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's something that I pointed out when they traded him,

2038
01:33:27,320 --> 01:33:29,439
Speaker 4: but it wasn't going to be a big role. It

2039
01:33:29,479 --> 01:33:31,960
Speaker 4: wasn't like he was going to be starting. But I

2040
01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:34,120
Speaker 4: guess in theory, yeah, it's a fair email if it's

2041
01:33:34,160 --> 01:33:35,720
Speaker 4: third and eight, like he could have put ke On

2042
01:33:35,760 --> 01:33:38,920
Speaker 4: White over the guard and you know, on the spot,

2043
01:33:39,040 --> 01:33:39,879
Speaker 4: and yeah.

2044
01:33:39,720 --> 01:33:41,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, because I was initially like that ke On White,

2045
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:44,160
Speaker 5: you know. But no, that's a fair email. You lost

2046
01:33:44,720 --> 01:33:48,280
Speaker 5: a guy that he could have potentially given you a skill.

2047
01:33:48,360 --> 01:33:50,080
Speaker 5: He could have given you a later of depth that

2048
01:33:50,120 --> 01:33:54,559
Speaker 5: maybe he's better than Durden or Gregory Bruce.

2049
01:33:54,439 --> 01:34:01,519
Speaker 1: And Bluffton, South Carolina, originally from North andover on punters

2050
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:05,479
Speaker 1: and QB's. He said he once saw Tom Musick accidentally

2051
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:08,360
Speaker 1: kicked the ball backwards over his head. I think in

2052
01:34:08,439 --> 01:34:12,320
Speaker 1: Fenway Park. Back up QB to bay Perilli. Uh. Tom

2053
01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:15,479
Speaker 1: Musick is the answer to a good trivia question, which

2054
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:20,559
Speaker 1: is name the only player to play professional football and

2055
01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:22,240
Speaker 1: baseball in Fenway Park.

2056
01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:23,040
Speaker 2: Let me think about that one.

2057
01:34:23,400 --> 01:34:28,160
Speaker 1: Wait, what the answer is Tom Uson? He played for

2058
01:34:28,200 --> 01:34:30,480
Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions for a short stint.

2059
01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:31,960
Speaker 5: Not Harry aganis.

2060
01:34:32,200 --> 01:34:35,960
Speaker 4: I do think it's that for the Braves and then

2061
01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:39,720
Speaker 4: in the same day played again that's pretty cool.

2062
01:34:39,800 --> 01:34:43,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was amazing when like live, Yeah it was.

2063
01:34:46,560 --> 01:34:46,760
Speaker 12: Time.

2064
01:34:46,960 --> 01:34:48,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, he played the sports.

2065
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:51,200
Speaker 5: You know, he would play baseball and then when baseball

2066
01:34:51,240 --> 01:34:52,559
Speaker 5: was over he would play football.

2067
01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:55,479
Speaker 2: But actually I remember that being.

2068
01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:57,960
Speaker 5: And I don't think the Braves weren't happy with it,

2069
01:34:58,040 --> 01:35:00,000
Speaker 5: and he ended up not I don't think he'd played

2070
01:35:00,200 --> 01:35:02,120
Speaker 5: in the game, but he got there. He got to

2071
01:35:02,160 --> 01:35:03,400
Speaker 5: the game in like the fourth inning.

2072
01:35:03,680 --> 01:35:09,000
Speaker 1: Who's a better baseball player? Bo or deal? I think yeah,

2073
01:35:10,479 --> 01:35:12,800
Speaker 1: was an all star amazing place.

2074
01:35:12,880 --> 01:35:15,280
Speaker 5: I think Dion could have been a really good baseball

2075
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:17,800
Speaker 5: player if he focused on Yeah, he was a good

2076
01:35:17,960 --> 01:35:21,000
Speaker 5: he was, I mean exactly, just an unbelievable athlete.

2077
01:35:20,920 --> 01:35:23,640
Speaker 4: Yea, I remember him. He could hit, running.

2078
01:35:23,400 --> 01:35:25,519
Speaker 5: The bases, Yeah, he was a weapon on the base.

2079
01:35:26,520 --> 01:35:27,160
Speaker 4: Was he fast?

2080
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:31,960
Speaker 1: Ben thinks that Drake May is slightly regressing every week.

2081
01:35:34,080 --> 01:35:37,120
Speaker 1: He's wondering if the deficiencies are starting to wear him down.

2082
01:35:37,160 --> 01:35:40,880
Speaker 5: Then I have some very small sea concerns, very small

2083
01:35:40,920 --> 01:35:44,400
Speaker 5: sea concerns with Drake. I think that might be putting

2084
01:35:44,400 --> 01:35:46,960
Speaker 5: it a little strong that he's regressing every week, because

2085
01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:49,120
Speaker 5: I think he just played at such a high level

2086
01:35:49,160 --> 01:35:53,639
Speaker 5: all year. A little worried that the turnovers are starting

2087
01:35:53,640 --> 01:35:55,600
Speaker 5: to crop up, and for some reason he has he

2088
01:35:55,640 --> 01:35:58,760
Speaker 5: has friends in the NFL stats crews because they don't

2089
01:35:58,760 --> 01:36:01,040
Speaker 5: really record his fumbles. He had another fumble in this

2090
01:36:01,080 --> 01:36:02,439
Speaker 5: game that they didn't say was a fumble.

2091
01:36:02,680 --> 01:36:04,040
Speaker 4: And I'm not on the scramble.

2092
01:36:04,240 --> 01:36:06,599
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not talking about the pass that was clearly

2093
01:36:06,640 --> 01:36:08,880
Speaker 5: a pass that they originally ruled a fumble and then

2094
01:36:08,880 --> 01:36:11,800
Speaker 5: they overturned it on replay. He fumbled on an early

2095
01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:17,640
Speaker 5: scramble and he recovered it like ball security is important.

2096
01:36:18,400 --> 01:36:20,960
Speaker 4: He was excellent against the Jets, So I mean, I know.

2097
01:36:20,920 --> 01:36:23,760
Speaker 5: That's why I said. I think that's strong saying he's regressed.

2098
01:36:23,360 --> 01:36:25,599
Speaker 4: Every week, but he was awesome against the Jets.

2099
01:36:25,640 --> 01:36:26,639
Speaker 5: He was really really good.

2100
01:36:27,040 --> 01:36:30,000
Speaker 1: And AJ says he feels like Josh McDaniel's play calling

2101
01:36:30,120 --> 01:36:33,679
Speaker 1: was less effective against the Bengals. He's been good this year.

2102
01:36:33,720 --> 01:36:36,160
Speaker 1: But shouldn't he know Drake can't run a sneak.

2103
01:36:37,479 --> 01:36:38,280
Speaker 4: Oh, I don't know.

2104
01:36:38,640 --> 01:36:40,679
Speaker 5: They didn't run a sneak. Everybody be up in arms

2105
01:36:40,760 --> 01:36:44,360
Speaker 5: like a sneak. You're like one inch line. Like I thought,

2106
01:36:44,439 --> 01:36:46,160
Speaker 5: Josh did a lot of different things on that goal

2107
01:36:46,200 --> 01:36:47,559
Speaker 5: line set. They didn't execute him.

2108
01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:49,479
Speaker 4: I think that The one thing if you wanted to

2109
01:36:49,520 --> 01:36:51,760
Speaker 4: be small is he concerned about McDaniels, is that we're

2110
01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:53,400
Speaker 4: getting to the point of the season where it's all

2111
01:36:53,400 --> 01:36:56,280
Speaker 4: on film, like all the stuff that they have been

2112
01:36:56,320 --> 01:36:58,960
Speaker 4: doing and all the things that they cooked up in

2113
01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:01,120
Speaker 4: the lab in the summer time. I'm for Drake may

2114
01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:04,120
Speaker 4: that's now out there is now all on film, and

2115
01:37:04,160 --> 01:37:07,040
Speaker 4: I like this aspect of McDaniels, but it is something

2116
01:37:07,080 --> 01:37:10,920
Speaker 4: that's worth mentioning is that they will repeat plays. Not

2117
01:37:11,439 --> 01:37:14,360
Speaker 4: everybody does. They'll dress it up a little bit differently

2118
01:37:14,400 --> 01:37:16,800
Speaker 4: and they'll get to it a little bit differently. But

2119
01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:20,360
Speaker 4: you know the Hunter Henry touchdown, for example, they ran

2120
01:37:20,400 --> 01:37:23,120
Speaker 4: that exact same play the week before, Like you know,

2121
01:37:23,120 --> 01:37:26,240
Speaker 4: they will do that, and they'll repeat plays within a

2122
01:37:26,280 --> 01:37:30,160
Speaker 4: game where you know, Drake he loves stick. They'll like

2123
01:37:30,720 --> 01:37:33,720
Speaker 4: they run stick like ten times a game. Now he

2124
01:37:33,840 --> 01:37:37,360
Speaker 4: makes it go because you can hit stick in many ways,

2125
01:37:37,360 --> 01:37:40,360
Speaker 4: in different ways and whatever the coverage gives you. But

2126
01:37:40,760 --> 01:37:43,000
Speaker 4: if you want to go there with McDaniels, you know,

2127
01:37:43,080 --> 01:37:45,400
Speaker 4: let's hope that he's got some things that he's been

2128
01:37:45,400 --> 01:37:48,240
Speaker 4: holding back that are in his back pocket for when

2129
01:37:48,280 --> 01:37:49,599
Speaker 4: the games start to get bigger.

2130
01:37:49,600 --> 01:37:51,400
Speaker 3: And would just point to the run game though, like

2131
01:37:51,479 --> 01:37:53,519
Speaker 3: just trying to find some kind of consistency. Now that

2132
01:37:53,600 --> 01:37:56,080
Speaker 3: Ramandra Stevenson's back, you have a rotation going. I mean,

2133
01:37:56,400 --> 01:37:58,680
Speaker 3: seemed to me like they weren't ready to really throw

2134
01:37:58,760 --> 01:38:00,639
Speaker 3: him into the fire. They just wanted to pass protection

2135
01:38:00,680 --> 01:38:02,600
Speaker 3: for the most part in this game. And maybe that

2136
01:38:02,640 --> 01:38:05,240
Speaker 3: continues through this week and let him get healthy fully.

2137
01:38:05,680 --> 01:38:08,599
Speaker 3: But that's where I just started, is give give Drake

2138
01:38:08,600 --> 01:38:10,439
Speaker 3: a little bit of consistency in the run game, you know,

2139
01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:12,280
Speaker 3: give him manageable.

2140
01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:15,519
Speaker 5: He does seem to still be able to get the

2141
01:38:15,560 --> 01:38:17,880
Speaker 5: tight ends open. But I thought in this game the

2142
01:38:17,960 --> 01:38:21,080
Speaker 5: receivers didn't do as good a job of yeah, you know,

2143
01:38:21,120 --> 01:38:22,400
Speaker 5: degraating Jake's got open.

2144
01:38:22,439 --> 01:38:24,760
Speaker 4: On the third down, Booty was going to catch a

2145
01:38:24,760 --> 01:38:26,880
Speaker 4: touchdown if that guy didn't drag him down. I mean

2146
01:38:26,880 --> 01:38:30,960
Speaker 4: that fall that was seen that movie before, right, he

2147
01:38:31,040 --> 01:38:33,599
Speaker 4: just pulls away late and drops it right in the bucket.

2148
01:38:34,760 --> 01:38:37,320
Speaker 4: You know, Hollins had had the big play down the sideline,

2149
01:38:37,320 --> 01:38:39,280
Speaker 4: but and then pop out the big play up up

2150
01:38:39,320 --> 01:38:41,920
Speaker 4: the shoot. But it wasn't a high volume game for

2151
01:38:41,960 --> 01:38:42,320
Speaker 4: the receiver.

2152
01:38:42,400 --> 01:38:44,320
Speaker 1: But he ended up with ninety four.

2153
01:38:44,680 --> 01:38:48,000
Speaker 5: It was a career high in yards, but getting there,

2154
01:38:48,080 --> 01:38:50,240
Speaker 5: it didn't was just linebackers.

2155
01:38:50,240 --> 01:38:51,000
Speaker 6: It wasn't the same.

2156
01:38:51,400 --> 01:38:54,000
Speaker 4: They had the line, but the Bengals linebackers stink and

2157
01:38:54,520 --> 01:38:56,760
Speaker 4: they just had the linebackers spin in.

2158
01:38:57,000 --> 01:39:04,920
Speaker 1: It was Brandon's in Buffalo, back on the hut. What's up, Randy? Randy? Hello, Yeah,

2159
01:39:04,920 --> 01:39:07,240
Speaker 1: are you embarrassed? Go ahead?

2160
01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:09,560
Speaker 13: No, No, I'm not embarrassed.

2161
01:39:09,760 --> 01:39:10,880
Speaker 1: Okay, good?

2162
01:39:11,360 --> 01:39:12,320
Speaker 13: Yeah, how are you guys doing?

2163
01:39:12,439 --> 01:39:14,960
Speaker 1: All right? Just calling to say, hey.

2164
01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:20,680
Speaker 11: How do you guys think if Marcus Bryant was the

2165
01:39:21,240 --> 01:39:23,840
Speaker 11: left tackle instead of low because he played left tackle

2166
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:24,400
Speaker 11: in Missouri?

2167
01:39:24,520 --> 01:39:26,760
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, Yeah, it's a it's a good question. It's

2168
01:39:26,760 --> 01:39:30,400
Speaker 4: something I was thinking about I think yesterday.

2169
01:39:30,520 --> 01:39:31,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, they want to think about it a little bit.

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01:39:32,080 --> 01:39:35,960
Speaker 4: So at Missouri, armand Membu played right tackle and Marcus

2171
01:39:35,960 --> 01:39:38,880
Speaker 4: Bryant was their left tackle last year at Missouri. So

2172
01:39:38,920 --> 01:39:41,280
Speaker 4: he's the left tackle by trade. That's that's his more

2173
01:39:41,360 --> 01:39:42,120
Speaker 4: natural position.

2174
01:39:42,240 --> 01:39:42,439
Speaker 1: Now.

2175
01:39:42,760 --> 01:39:45,519
Speaker 4: His body type and his play style probably fits right

2176
01:39:45,560 --> 01:39:47,759
Speaker 4: tackle in this system a little bit better than left.

2177
01:39:47,800 --> 01:39:52,280
Speaker 4: But he's he's played left tackle more than he's played

2178
01:39:52,320 --> 01:39:52,920
Speaker 4: right tackle.

2179
01:39:53,400 --> 01:39:55,080
Speaker 1: So, but he's like six seven.

2180
01:39:55,160 --> 01:39:56,960
Speaker 5: He played, Yeah, he played on the left side of

2181
01:39:56,960 --> 01:39:57,680
Speaker 5: the s m U two.

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01:39:58,240 --> 01:39:59,760
Speaker 1: So why do you why do you say that his

2183
01:40:00,320 --> 01:40:01,320
Speaker 1: type is more.

2184
01:40:01,680 --> 01:40:05,120
Speaker 4: He is a maller, big dude, you know, a big,

2185
01:40:05,439 --> 01:40:08,760
Speaker 4: good run blocker. You know, usually with McDaniel's, like the

2186
01:40:09,080 --> 01:40:11,439
Speaker 4: right side, they usually have the the bulldozers on the

2187
01:40:11,520 --> 01:40:14,920
Speaker 4: right and the more athletic guys on the left. Typically

2188
01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:17,479
Speaker 4: not always, but you know, you see, like I always

2189
01:40:17,520 --> 01:40:21,759
Speaker 4: go back to, you know, Solder Toney Andrews Mason Cannon

2190
01:40:21,960 --> 01:40:24,760
Speaker 4: like that. That's sort of the way they want the

2191
01:40:24,800 --> 01:40:28,519
Speaker 4: line to be built. Ideally, now they you have a

2192
01:40:28,520 --> 01:40:30,400
Speaker 4: great player on the left side who's a maaller than that.

2193
01:40:30,520 --> 01:40:32,479
Speaker 4: All the power to you, but you know, that's just

2194
01:40:32,520 --> 01:40:33,479
Speaker 4: how it's been in the past.

2195
01:40:33,800 --> 01:40:38,120
Speaker 1: All right, Thanks Randy. How about Nate and Iowa?

2196
01:40:38,240 --> 01:40:41,800
Speaker 7: Hey Nate, Hey, can you guys hear me?

2197
01:40:41,800 --> 01:40:44,719
Speaker 11: All right, yeah, yeah, I have a quick question.

2198
01:40:44,760 --> 01:40:48,759
Speaker 25: So back after the Panthers game, I put five dollars

2199
01:40:48,840 --> 01:40:52,000
Speaker 25: on Drake made to win MVP win odds are like

2200
01:40:52,080 --> 01:40:55,080
Speaker 25: plus seventy five hundred, and my plan was to take

2201
01:40:55,120 --> 01:40:58,639
Speaker 25: the cash out after Drake has a bad couple of games,

2202
01:40:58,640 --> 01:41:00,439
Speaker 25: because right now I think my cash it's at about

2203
01:41:00,439 --> 01:41:03,280
Speaker 25: one hundred dollars, but at this point, this late into

2204
01:41:03,280 --> 01:41:05,639
Speaker 25: the season, do you guys think I should just ride

2205
01:41:05,640 --> 01:41:08,360
Speaker 25: it out until the voting or should I take the cash?

2206
01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:08,760
Speaker 10: Well?

2207
01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:10,639
Speaker 5: Can you go over that again? How much did you

2208
01:41:10,680 --> 01:41:13,040
Speaker 5: put ten bucks? Five bucks to win one hundred? I

2209
01:41:13,080 --> 01:41:14,599
Speaker 5: would ride it. I would let it ride.

2210
01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:15,120
Speaker 4: Same.

2211
01:41:15,400 --> 01:41:17,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's got a shot with still dollars.

2212
01:41:18,479 --> 01:41:20,880
Speaker 25: The payout was to pay five dollars to pay three

2213
01:41:20,960 --> 01:41:23,280
Speaker 25: eighty five, and right now I have an early cash

2214
01:41:23,320 --> 01:41:25,360
Speaker 25: out for like one hundred bucks or so.

2215
01:41:25,400 --> 01:41:28,360
Speaker 4: But I would ride it out because he's got those games. Again,

2216
01:41:28,520 --> 01:41:30,760
Speaker 4: I would cash out Buffalo and Baltimore.

2217
01:41:30,840 --> 01:41:32,479
Speaker 1: I think Matthew Stafford uh.

2218
01:41:33,280 --> 01:41:34,600
Speaker 6: For ninety five bucks.

2219
01:41:35,360 --> 01:41:38,120
Speaker 4: But if he played well against Buffalo and Baltimore, absolutely

2220
01:41:38,320 --> 01:41:41,439
Speaker 4: right in it, especially win the Germans bomb Pearl Harbor.

2221
01:41:41,520 --> 01:41:44,600
Speaker 1: I thought it was the Japanese. Yeah, but don't you

2222
01:41:44,640 --> 01:41:45,960
Speaker 1: think Matthew Stafford has.

2223
01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:47,040
Speaker 6: The inside track?

2224
01:41:47,080 --> 01:41:47,880
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2225
01:41:47,960 --> 01:41:48,160
Speaker 7: I do.

2226
01:41:48,320 --> 01:41:51,679
Speaker 25: Yeah, a lot more to work. Follow up question about

2227
01:41:51,720 --> 01:41:54,559
Speaker 25: that kind of because I think Matthew Stafford is number

2228
01:41:54,600 --> 01:41:57,599
Speaker 25: one in odds right now, and I mean he's playing

2229
01:41:57,840 --> 01:42:00,000
Speaker 25: lights out, so I don't know if it was worth it.

2230
01:42:00,120 --> 01:42:01,880
Speaker 25: Just take the cash out, just ride it till the end.

2231
01:42:01,920 --> 01:42:04,439
Speaker 4: I also feel like with MVP all these awards, like

2232
01:42:04,720 --> 01:42:06,679
Speaker 4: you kind of have to have an MVP season before

2233
01:42:06,720 --> 01:42:09,519
Speaker 4: you get the MVP. Like in a lot of cases,

2234
01:42:09,560 --> 01:42:12,480
Speaker 4: it's like kind of like proof of concept. And Stafford's

2235
01:42:12,479 --> 01:42:13,000
Speaker 4: been so good.

2236
01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:15,400
Speaker 1: I would take the cash out and find another prop bet.

2237
01:42:15,439 --> 01:42:16,040
Speaker 1: Well that's what I said.

2238
01:42:16,080 --> 01:42:17,720
Speaker 3: Take the cash out, take half of it, put on

2239
01:42:17,760 --> 01:42:19,160
Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford.

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Speaker 1: Oh there, but you're not gonna get good.

2241
01:42:21,680 --> 01:42:21,880
Speaker 7: Yeah.

2242
01:42:22,600 --> 01:42:25,599
Speaker 1: Now, I'd ride it out, find another different type of bet.

2243
01:42:25,520 --> 01:42:27,160
Speaker 5: Cash it out, and put it on the Patriots to

2244
01:42:27,160 --> 01:42:28,000
Speaker 5: go to the super Bowl.

2245
01:42:28,160 --> 01:42:30,400
Speaker 4: Like if he goes if he goes to the five

2246
01:42:30,439 --> 01:42:32,160
Speaker 4: hundred to one, I have no idea if he goes

2247
01:42:32,200 --> 01:42:34,439
Speaker 4: to Baltimore and I maybe they flex that game into

2248
01:42:34,479 --> 01:42:36,519
Speaker 4: like a four to twenty five window or something like that,

2249
01:42:36,760 --> 01:42:38,559
Speaker 4: and he goes to Baltimore and he foes through three

2250
01:42:38,640 --> 01:42:41,880
Speaker 4: hundred and three touchdowns and beats the Ravens, Like they're

2251
01:42:41,920 --> 01:42:46,000
Speaker 4: gonna the MVP thing. That's gonna have to it's gonna

2252
01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:48,800
Speaker 4: start right back up, like especially if they win those

2253
01:42:48,840 --> 01:42:51,960
Speaker 4: games without Campbell and without Moses And you're.

2254
01:42:51,880 --> 01:42:57,240
Speaker 1: Right, you're right, thanks Nate Bill's and Vancouver. If I

2255
01:42:57,280 --> 01:43:00,639
Speaker 1: can hit the button there, you what's up, Bill, I.

2256
01:43:02,520 --> 01:43:08,120
Speaker 24: First time caller, a long time listener. I'm curious the

2257
01:43:08,240 --> 01:43:11,880
Speaker 24: knee braces that offensive linemen wear in college and then

2258
01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:14,879
Speaker 24: they get to the pros and immediately ditch them. Wouldn't

2259
01:43:14,920 --> 01:43:18,040
Speaker 24: you think that the type of hit that Will Campbell

2260
01:43:18,040 --> 01:43:21,200
Speaker 24: took would have been prevented by that knee break.

2261
01:43:22,479 --> 01:43:24,120
Speaker 5: I don't know, there's no way to know for sure

2262
01:43:24,240 --> 01:43:27,040
Speaker 5: it could have been. I it's funny that when Mike

2263
01:43:27,080 --> 01:43:29,640
Speaker 5: brought that up, I hadn't really. I always kind of

2264
01:43:29,680 --> 01:43:32,280
Speaker 5: think of all the offensive linemen, all were knee braces

2265
01:43:32,360 --> 01:43:32,840
Speaker 5: in me too.

2266
01:43:33,560 --> 01:43:35,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I thought this is weird taking them

2267
01:43:35,800 --> 01:43:36,400
Speaker 1: off now.

2268
01:43:36,479 --> 01:43:41,519
Speaker 4: It's uh, you know, you're not encumbered. Yeah, the speed ridiculous.

2269
01:43:41,520 --> 01:43:43,880
Speaker 1: I mean, it looks like ten years are just going

2270
01:43:43,920 --> 01:43:45,679
Speaker 1: to be played in shorts and helmets.

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01:43:45,840 --> 01:43:47,960
Speaker 5: Well, in college they basically play You ever see the

2272
01:43:47,960 --> 01:43:49,000
Speaker 5: pants in college?

2273
01:43:50,760 --> 01:43:53,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, like capri pants.

2274
01:43:53,160 --> 01:43:53,360
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2275
01:43:53,400 --> 01:43:54,080
Speaker 2: I don't care for it.

2276
01:43:54,200 --> 01:43:56,200
Speaker 4: I'm not a doctor, but I don't think that this

2277
01:43:56,360 --> 01:43:59,920
Speaker 4: particular one because it came from the side.

2278
01:44:00,360 --> 01:44:01,720
Speaker 5: But if it comes from the side and you have

2279
01:44:01,800 --> 01:44:03,840
Speaker 5: the brace on, isn't that where the medal is to

2280
01:44:03,840 --> 01:44:06,000
Speaker 5: prevent the knee from that's the whole.

2281
01:44:06,920 --> 01:44:09,200
Speaker 4: The brace is supposed to It's like, you know, if

2282
01:44:09,200 --> 01:44:11,559
Speaker 4: you're betting your knee, like it's supposed to help your knee.

2283
01:44:11,560 --> 01:44:13,520
Speaker 4: Like this was a side collision.

2284
01:44:13,600 --> 01:44:16,000
Speaker 1: I thought it was supposed to knee from going side

2285
01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:16,320
Speaker 1: to side.

2286
01:44:16,360 --> 01:44:17,000
Speaker 5: That's what I thought.

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01:44:17,000 --> 01:44:17,240
Speaker 10: I was.

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01:44:17,400 --> 01:44:20,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, again, I don't know. I've never played offensive line yet.

2289
01:44:20,760 --> 01:44:25,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's a brace. It braces you well well.

2290
01:44:25,240 --> 01:44:25,400
Speaker 7: But.

2291
01:44:27,080 --> 01:44:29,439
Speaker 6: Does it brace it from going forward or to the side.

2292
01:44:30,240 --> 01:44:33,760
Speaker 1: That's that's where the medal is forward you have to run.

2293
01:44:33,880 --> 01:44:36,280
Speaker 4: I just know that the guy came from the backside

2294
01:44:36,320 --> 01:44:37,840
Speaker 4: and was pursuing the ball and hit him.

2295
01:44:37,840 --> 01:44:40,200
Speaker 2: And since guy probably a good chance.

2296
01:44:40,320 --> 01:44:42,320
Speaker 3: Well, Kimbell will have a brace on if when he

2297
01:44:42,400 --> 01:44:44,599
Speaker 3: comes back this year. But I always also think of Brady.

2298
01:44:44,640 --> 01:44:46,320
Speaker 3: I mean, Brady never wore a brace to low eight

2299
01:44:46,479 --> 01:44:49,000
Speaker 3: towards a c L brace on that leg rest of

2300
01:44:49,000 --> 01:44:49,360
Speaker 3: his career.

2301
01:44:49,439 --> 01:44:51,360
Speaker 4: I do agree that the plant leg the for like

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01:44:51,400 --> 01:44:53,960
Speaker 4: the leg that the quarterback puts forward, it would be

2303
01:44:53,960 --> 01:44:55,519
Speaker 4: smart to wear a brace on that leg.

2304
01:44:56,040 --> 01:44:59,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. William Wright sin he was says, I was taking

2305
01:44:59,280 --> 01:45:01,680
Speaker 1: a look at super odds for teams and it hit

2306
01:45:01,760 --> 01:45:06,160
Speaker 1: me the NFL scriptwriters have the perfect opportunity. Rams versus

2307
01:45:06,200 --> 01:45:09,920
Speaker 1: Patriots two point zero. The Greatest Show on Turf had

2308
01:45:09,960 --> 01:45:12,400
Speaker 1: one of the best offenses in the league. The Rams

2309
01:45:12,439 --> 01:45:15,799
Speaker 1: currently have the MVP front runner in Stafford at thirty

2310
01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:19,640
Speaker 1: to two at thirty touchdowns, two interceptions. Patriots are on

2311
01:45:19,720 --> 01:45:22,840
Speaker 1: their second year of their starting quarterback. They have an

2312
01:45:22,880 --> 01:45:26,320
Speaker 1: opportunity here to have Brady call the game and relive

2313
01:45:26,360 --> 01:45:29,040
Speaker 1: an amazing Hall of Fame career throughout all the lead

2314
01:45:29,120 --> 01:45:30,519
Speaker 1: up to the big day.

2315
01:45:31,040 --> 01:45:33,080
Speaker 4: It's not on Fox, so it won't be Brady.

2316
01:45:33,240 --> 01:45:37,880
Speaker 5: It would actually be Patriots Rams three point zero. They've

2317
01:45:37,920 --> 01:45:39,520
Speaker 5: already played twice in the Troubles.

2318
01:45:39,680 --> 01:45:42,080
Speaker 4: Some people are so young, Paul that they don't even

2319
01:45:42,120 --> 01:45:43,240
Speaker 4: remember that they played them.

2320
01:45:43,520 --> 01:45:45,559
Speaker 1: I thought the super Bowl was on Fox.

2321
01:45:45,800 --> 01:45:46,880
Speaker 4: It was on Fox last year.

2322
01:45:46,880 --> 01:45:48,479
Speaker 1: Well last year it was I don't know what I know.

2323
01:45:48,560 --> 01:45:50,240
Speaker 1: That's ye right, I think it's back to see.

2324
01:45:50,280 --> 01:45:52,559
Speaker 5: But I think he was actually referencing this would be

2325
01:45:52,600 --> 01:45:54,960
Speaker 5: like the second time. I don't think the Rams have

2326
01:45:55,000 --> 01:45:57,519
Speaker 5: the kind of offense right now that you're talking about.

2327
01:45:57,560 --> 01:45:59,240
Speaker 6: With the Greatest Show on Turf.

2328
01:45:59,320 --> 01:46:02,240
Speaker 4: No, the super Bowl is on NBC.

2329
01:46:04,200 --> 01:46:05,240
Speaker 1: Universal and.

2330
01:46:06,880 --> 01:46:09,400
Speaker 3: No Tom Brady, But would would that be weird though,

2331
01:46:09,479 --> 01:46:11,280
Speaker 3: if Tom Brady is if the game's on Fox and

2332
01:46:11,320 --> 01:46:13,240
Speaker 3: the Patriots make the Super Bowl, is there any kind

2333
01:46:13,240 --> 01:46:15,760
Speaker 3: of you know, attempt by the league to say we

2334
01:46:15,760 --> 01:46:17,519
Speaker 3: shouldn't have Tom do that or is that interesting?

2335
01:46:17,560 --> 01:46:19,280
Speaker 4: I mean because bias.

2336
01:46:19,600 --> 01:46:19,960
Speaker 2: I don't know.

2337
01:46:20,000 --> 01:46:21,920
Speaker 5: I think people would watch to see if he wouldn't

2338
01:46:21,960 --> 01:46:24,120
Speaker 5: have any announces any of these games. J J watch

2339
01:46:24,120 --> 01:46:26,479
Speaker 5: just announced t J Watts touchdown.

2340
01:46:28,880 --> 01:46:30,200
Speaker 4: What now, I mean, I don't know.

2341
01:46:30,280 --> 01:46:31,840
Speaker 3: I mean, you don't think people would be like great

2342
01:46:32,240 --> 01:46:34,280
Speaker 3: to watch the Patriots and here Tom Brady, the whole

2343
01:46:34,280 --> 01:46:35,519
Speaker 3: game won't happened.

2344
01:46:35,560 --> 01:46:38,200
Speaker 1: I think people would hate watching.

2345
01:46:38,280 --> 01:46:41,000
Speaker 4: They'll love me wat I mean, Akeman calls Cowboys games

2346
01:46:41,000 --> 01:46:41,439
Speaker 4: all the time.

2347
01:46:42,240 --> 01:46:44,519
Speaker 5: That's what I meant by like, I know it happens

2348
01:46:44,560 --> 01:46:49,160
Speaker 5: on every game. Yeah, like doing Panthers games like I mean, everybody,

2349
01:46:49,240 --> 01:46:51,200
Speaker 5: all these guys are former players and they.

2350
01:46:51,200 --> 01:46:52,880
Speaker 1: Played for teams and the Panthers could make it.

2351
01:46:53,000 --> 01:46:57,080
Speaker 5: You know, I'm just saying any game you'll get any

2352
01:46:57,080 --> 01:46:58,440
Speaker 5: other game that happens.

2353
01:46:58,240 --> 01:47:01,519
Speaker 3: Well, more people, more people, more chance to more. You know,

2354
01:47:01,560 --> 01:47:03,160
Speaker 3: you're putting more out in front of what.

2355
01:47:03,400 --> 01:47:05,519
Speaker 5: I just be offended having to listen to Tom Brady

2356
01:47:05,600 --> 01:47:06,040
Speaker 5: do the game.

2357
01:47:06,320 --> 01:47:07,320
Speaker 1: You know, what can I say? Real quick?

2358
01:47:07,360 --> 01:47:09,800
Speaker 3: I said something I caught some of him, and I

2359
01:47:09,840 --> 01:47:12,120
Speaker 3: have to be honest. I found him unlistenable early on,

2360
01:47:12,160 --> 01:47:13,800
Speaker 3: but I think he's gotten better, Like I found it

2361
01:47:13,840 --> 01:47:16,719
Speaker 3: a little bit more leaning into what do you see Tom?

2362
01:47:16,760 --> 01:47:17,680
Speaker 2: What is your you know?

2363
01:47:17,720 --> 01:47:20,760
Speaker 3: In the less it's just awkward silences and trying to

2364
01:47:20,760 --> 01:47:23,240
Speaker 3: be like, I think he's he's he's better. I mean,

2365
01:47:23,479 --> 01:47:26,200
Speaker 3: not surprising given how hard that guy works, but I

2366
01:47:26,320 --> 01:47:27,559
Speaker 3: just I gotta give him credit.

2367
01:47:27,600 --> 01:47:31,200
Speaker 1: I thought he was better. Everyone sucks but me, well,

2368
01:47:31,560 --> 01:47:34,479
Speaker 1: you know, kind of the question that I think will

2369
01:47:34,479 --> 01:47:37,320
Speaker 1: be asked after the season is less about his uh,

2370
01:47:38,080 --> 01:47:42,880
Speaker 1: you know, his broadcast work. It's more his work at

2371
01:47:42,920 --> 01:47:46,520
Speaker 1: the Raiders. How much of that team is his responsibility?

2372
01:47:47,680 --> 01:47:49,800
Speaker 1: So some people say it a lot, Well, some people

2373
01:47:49,840 --> 01:47:51,519
Speaker 1: are saying that, I don't know if it's true.

2374
01:47:51,880 --> 01:47:54,560
Speaker 4: I mean, if it's a lot, then the yikes.

2375
01:47:54,600 --> 01:47:56,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's just there in a titular

2376
01:47:56,640 --> 01:47:59,160
Speaker 1: sense or if he's actually making big decisions.

2377
01:47:59,280 --> 01:48:01,400
Speaker 4: If he's making decisions, I think we learned that Tom

2378
01:48:01,439 --> 01:48:04,080
Speaker 4: Brady the executive is not the coat.

2379
01:48:04,040 --> 01:48:08,240
Speaker 5: Right at least John Elway was successful initially before he

2380
01:48:08,320 --> 01:48:08,760
Speaker 5: lost it.

2381
01:48:10,320 --> 01:48:14,360
Speaker 1: Nick says, damn you, Fred, He's from Maine. I want

2382
01:48:14,360 --> 01:48:17,679
Speaker 1: to start by saying Fred is wrong about Permante's brothers.

2383
01:48:18,080 --> 01:48:20,760
Speaker 1: Those sandwiches are absolutely killer, and I won't tolerate the

2384
01:48:20,840 --> 01:48:24,800
Speaker 1: slander outside of horrible sandwich takes. I saw meme and

2385
01:48:24,880 --> 01:48:27,599
Speaker 1: I thought it would be a fun game to pitch

2386
01:48:27,640 --> 01:48:29,360
Speaker 1: to the crew if you had to pick three players

2387
01:48:29,360 --> 01:48:33,439
Speaker 1: from the dynasty to currently join you at the Thanksgiving table.

2388
01:48:33,680 --> 01:48:37,880
Speaker 1: Who would you choose three people from the dynasty to

2389
01:48:37,960 --> 01:48:39,200
Speaker 1: join you at Thanksgiving?

2390
01:48:40,040 --> 01:48:41,040
Speaker 4: Brady, Gronk, Edelman.

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01:48:42,080 --> 01:48:43,479
Speaker 1: I don't know about Brady and Edelman.

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01:48:43,800 --> 01:48:45,600
Speaker 4: I don't know about those two, and they wouldn't be

2393
01:48:45,640 --> 01:48:48,920
Speaker 4: the most fun, But it's just that's that to me?

2394
01:48:49,040 --> 01:48:50,400
Speaker 1: Is Brady's you?

2395
01:48:50,800 --> 01:48:52,840
Speaker 2: Turkey Tom? What do you want?

2396
01:48:53,360 --> 01:48:55,200
Speaker 1: Uh? I don't know.

2397
01:48:55,280 --> 01:48:56,360
Speaker 2: Let me think about that for a second.

2398
01:48:56,479 --> 01:48:59,599
Speaker 4: You're going for fun, like honestly, the rable would be.

2399
01:49:00,120 --> 01:49:03,000
Speaker 5: I wouldn't mind. Would be a lot of fun. He'd

2400
01:49:03,080 --> 01:49:05,519
Speaker 5: take rocket shots at everybody and you're really gonna eat that?

2401
01:49:05,600 --> 01:49:06,080
Speaker 5: Hunh Yeah.

2402
01:49:06,160 --> 01:49:09,280
Speaker 6: I mean he'd be dumping all over you the whole meal.

2403
01:49:09,320 --> 01:49:10,719
Speaker 4: Thanks for talking about the injuries.

2404
01:49:10,800 --> 01:49:13,320
Speaker 5: He'd be he'd be funny. Rabel would be funny.

2405
01:49:14,240 --> 01:49:14,479
Speaker 4: I don't.

2406
01:49:14,479 --> 01:49:16,519
Speaker 3: It seems like you'd be pretty intense about the whole situation,

2407
01:49:16,640 --> 01:49:20,320
Speaker 3: you know, he does certainly, Hey, anybody be fine with me.

2408
01:49:21,320 --> 01:49:22,400
Speaker 1: Anybody would be fine.

2409
01:49:22,439 --> 01:49:24,000
Speaker 2: What did Brady do?

2410
01:49:24,200 --> 01:49:25,640
Speaker 6: He seemed to be alluding to a slip of the

2411
01:49:25,640 --> 01:49:26,200
Speaker 6: tongue that I'm not.

2412
01:49:26,640 --> 01:49:29,320
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he kind of used the N word, but

2413
01:49:29,360 --> 01:49:31,760
Speaker 1: he really didn't. He meant no, he meant this. He

2414
01:49:32,479 --> 01:49:35,840
Speaker 1: was saying it was supposed to be Dickerson, and he

2415
01:49:37,000 --> 01:49:40,600
Speaker 1: kind of he said Nickerson, but he he stopped it

2416
01:49:40,680 --> 01:49:44,559
Speaker 1: because he's started he said nicker I thought, and then

2417
01:49:44,600 --> 01:49:46,280
Speaker 1: he stopped. He goes, oh, sorry about that.

2418
01:49:46,520 --> 01:49:49,240
Speaker 5: Oh okay, that's that's yeah.

2419
01:49:50,040 --> 01:49:50,800
Speaker 2: Crisis first.

2420
01:49:51,680 --> 01:49:53,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, but like there's a difference if you like I thought,

2421
01:49:53,920 --> 01:49:56,679
Speaker 5: maybe he got caught in a hot mic or something. Yeah,

2422
01:49:57,880 --> 01:50:01,160
Speaker 5: like that's just miss you know, you just mispronounce a

2423
01:50:01,200 --> 01:50:06,040
Speaker 5: word or whatever, the like, that's like he didn't mean

2424
01:50:06,080 --> 01:50:08,320
Speaker 5: to say that. Well, Mike, that's great.

2425
01:50:08,560 --> 01:50:10,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, wonder.

2426
01:50:11,439 --> 01:50:13,759
Speaker 5: Curtison and I had to him out that night. Yeah,

2427
01:50:13,800 --> 01:50:16,599
Speaker 5: Like he was so depressed he wouldn't answer our text.

2428
01:50:16,640 --> 01:50:18,519
Speaker 5: Final we just went and grabbed him and dragged him

2429
01:50:18,520 --> 01:50:21,799
Speaker 5: out with us. The combine Curtis and Saint Louis.

2430
01:50:21,880 --> 01:50:24,960
Speaker 1: He says Evan, Yes, I'm totally with you when it

2431
01:50:24,960 --> 01:50:28,200
Speaker 1: comes to the playoffs. I'd much rather play the Broncos

2432
01:50:28,200 --> 01:50:30,920
Speaker 1: in Denver than play the Chiefs. I understand they have

2433
01:50:30,960 --> 01:50:34,080
Speaker 1: a great defense. I understand the elevation in Denver's insane.

2434
01:50:34,320 --> 01:50:36,960
Speaker 1: But I have more confidence in the Patriots offense putting

2435
01:50:37,000 --> 01:50:40,080
Speaker 1: up enough points against Denver's defense than I do stopping

2436
01:50:40,120 --> 01:50:43,439
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes and outscoring the Chiefs. Bo Nix is a

2437
01:50:43,479 --> 01:50:47,400
Speaker 1: bum casey held indeed to under eighteen total yards and

2438
01:50:47,520 --> 01:50:51,439
Speaker 1: zero points in the fourth OT bottom line. I don't

2439
01:50:51,439 --> 01:50:54,200
Speaker 1: care about the fourth and the OT bottom line. I

2440
01:50:54,240 --> 01:50:56,439
Speaker 1: don't care about the Chiefs record or how it looks

2441
01:50:56,479 --> 01:50:58,760
Speaker 1: right now. All they have to do is make it

2442
01:50:58,800 --> 01:51:01,200
Speaker 1: in the experience of the team at its core of

2443
01:51:01,240 --> 01:51:04,200
Speaker 1: the offense, defense and the coaching staff have been there

2444
01:51:04,320 --> 01:51:07,759
Speaker 1: year after year. That's more intimidating than anything bo Nicks

2445
01:51:07,760 --> 01:51:09,120
Speaker 1: and Sean Payton have to offer.

2446
01:51:10,120 --> 01:51:12,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, Brady email, I.

2447
01:51:12,840 --> 01:51:15,120
Speaker 5: Can't argue with anything of that email. I mean, I

2448
01:51:14,880 --> 01:51:17,600
Speaker 5: just I just disagree. I'd rather play Kansas City in

2449
01:51:17,640 --> 01:51:22,920
Speaker 5: Foxboro than Denver and Denver if it's the same Denver

2450
01:51:22,960 --> 01:51:25,639
Speaker 5: and Denver, Kansas City and Kansas City. I'll take Denver, Yeah,

2451
01:51:25,840 --> 01:51:28,479
Speaker 5: I guess I'll take the home game on Kansas City

2452
01:51:28,520 --> 01:51:29,559
Speaker 5: that a road game in Denver.

2453
01:51:29,680 --> 01:51:32,200
Speaker 4: I guess if those are my only two options, I

2454
01:51:32,200 --> 01:51:34,080
Speaker 4: don't know. I like I look at it just as

2455
01:51:34,160 --> 01:51:37,080
Speaker 4: Denver on its own in terms of like would I

2456
01:51:37,160 --> 01:51:40,559
Speaker 4: be that. I still think the Patriots have a very

2457
01:51:40,560 --> 01:51:42,639
Speaker 4: good chance of beating Denver, whether it's here or there.

2458
01:51:43,880 --> 01:51:47,439
Speaker 4: But Kansas City the great quarterbacks worry me. I you know,

2459
01:51:47,479 --> 01:51:49,840
Speaker 4: if they face the guy that because I think the

2460
01:51:49,880 --> 01:51:51,640
Speaker 4: way to beat this Patriots team is to throw the

2461
01:51:51,640 --> 01:51:54,559
Speaker 4: ball forty five times. That's how I think you win.

2462
01:51:54,960 --> 01:51:59,000
Speaker 4: I think if you're if you're capable of having a

2463
01:51:59,040 --> 01:52:02,479
Speaker 4: really big, you know, passing performance against them, I think

2464
01:52:02,479 --> 01:52:04,960
Speaker 4: that you're going to be They're going to be in trouble.

2465
01:52:05,360 --> 01:52:08,000
Speaker 1: I mean, if you have a big passing performance against anybody,

2466
01:52:08,000 --> 01:52:09,160
Speaker 1: you will do well. Right.

2467
01:52:09,479 --> 01:52:11,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, But I'm just saying, like, I think that's their

2468
01:52:11,479 --> 01:52:15,120
Speaker 4: weakness defensively is if I know what Evan's saying, livebackers

2469
01:52:15,120 --> 01:52:17,640
Speaker 4: in safeties in the middle of the field, you know,

2470
01:52:17,720 --> 01:52:20,120
Speaker 4: passing the football. I don't. I think their pass rush

2471
01:52:20,200 --> 01:52:22,840
Speaker 4: is an average you know, like.

2472
01:52:23,080 --> 01:52:24,880
Speaker 1: Why because they played Nickel too much?

2473
01:52:25,080 --> 01:52:27,880
Speaker 5: Right, It's one of the reasons why I'm not overly

2474
01:52:27,920 --> 01:52:30,960
Speaker 5: concerned with what the amount of running yards that Chase

2475
01:52:31,000 --> 01:52:33,960
Speaker 5: Brown had this week, because while those yards are that's

2476
01:52:34,040 --> 01:52:36,840
Speaker 5: times they're not completing passes. I think Evan's right. I

2477
01:52:36,880 --> 01:52:38,439
Speaker 5: think the way to beat the Patriots is to make

2478
01:52:38,479 --> 01:52:39,519
Speaker 5: plays in the passing game.

2479
01:52:40,439 --> 01:52:44,599
Speaker 1: Chase writes in Evan mentioned for Jenga blocks being Diggs, Williams, Campbell,

2480
01:52:44,640 --> 01:52:47,640
Speaker 1: and Gonzo. Would you agree that Marcus Jones might be

2481
01:52:47,720 --> 01:52:50,760
Speaker 1: number five? I honestly questioned him being a captain at

2482
01:52:50,760 --> 01:52:53,120
Speaker 1: the beginning of the year, and wow, has he proven

2483
01:52:53,200 --> 01:52:55,519
Speaker 1: me wrong. Yeah, he's played really well.

2484
01:52:55,560 --> 01:52:55,920
Speaker 2: I think.

2485
01:52:56,120 --> 01:52:58,040
Speaker 3: I think just the thing I've accepted with Marcus Jones

2486
01:52:58,080 --> 01:53:01,200
Speaker 3: is that he's going to be a a target for

2487
01:53:01,280 --> 01:53:03,000
Speaker 3: a lot of teams. Like it's just you can see

2488
01:53:03,040 --> 01:53:05,839
Speaker 3: it every game, trying to get I mean, when Kasiki

2489
01:53:05,880 --> 01:53:08,479
Speaker 3: got on Marcus Jones, he's like got the you know,

2490
01:53:08,560 --> 01:53:11,120
Speaker 3: the arm up. So you know, he makes his fair

2491
01:53:11,160 --> 01:53:12,800
Speaker 3: share of plays. But you know the other one was

2492
01:53:13,520 --> 01:53:16,200
Speaker 3: crazy catch. I forget which guy was over it, Tinsley

2493
01:53:16,200 --> 01:53:18,559
Speaker 3: had over him. You know, like it's That's just a

2494
01:53:18,600 --> 01:53:20,320
Speaker 3: matter of if you choose to play him in the

2495
01:53:20,320 --> 01:53:22,400
Speaker 3: slot and you play them a lot, like those are

2496
01:53:22,400 --> 01:53:24,120
Speaker 3: gonna be plays that you might give up from time

2497
01:53:24,160 --> 01:53:26,519
Speaker 3: to time, but he makes up for it with punt

2498
01:53:26,560 --> 01:53:27,840
Speaker 3: returns and that kind of stuff.

2499
01:53:27,880 --> 01:53:32,680
Speaker 4: So it's dime to play more dime Gretchen in the

2500
01:53:32,760 --> 01:53:36,639
Speaker 4: Saqua Washington, she said the difference between Tom and other

2501
01:53:36,720 --> 01:53:38,839
Speaker 4: former players is his ownership interest.

2502
01:53:38,920 --> 01:53:41,360
Speaker 1: He has a direct financial benefit with the Raiders. Former

2503
01:53:41,400 --> 01:53:43,519
Speaker 1: players do not. They have personal interests.

2504
01:53:44,479 --> 01:53:46,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's I agree with that.

2505
01:53:46,160 --> 01:53:47,920
Speaker 3: I mean, I that'd be more of an issue if

2506
01:53:47,960 --> 01:53:49,360
Speaker 3: it was the Raiders in the Super Bowl, I think

2507
01:53:49,640 --> 01:53:52,640
Speaker 3: than just we're talking about the Patriots general annoyance for

2508
01:53:52,640 --> 01:53:54,519
Speaker 3: everybody that they got a whole lot of Patriots coming

2509
01:53:54,560 --> 01:53:55,679
Speaker 3: at them for the whole Super Bowl.

2510
01:53:56,400 --> 01:54:00,559
Speaker 1: Norie from Arizona. On handwritten notes, Evan really wants to

2511
01:54:00,560 --> 01:54:03,360
Speaker 1: give a handwritten note to his ex and o's idol,

2512
01:54:03,479 --> 01:54:06,360
Speaker 1: Dan Rolofsky. The note will state how he'd like to

2513
01:54:06,400 --> 01:54:10,160
Speaker 1: audition for an ESPN NFL live his dream job to

2514
01:54:10,240 --> 01:54:13,040
Speaker 1: work alongside his crush. Meta times.

2515
01:54:13,680 --> 01:54:16,360
Speaker 4: Wow, those are a lot of words.

2516
01:54:16,560 --> 01:54:18,240
Speaker 6: None of which were necessarily false.

2517
01:54:19,080 --> 01:54:23,160
Speaker 4: I would say Dan Orlovsky and I have a complicated relationship,

2518
01:54:24,520 --> 01:54:31,479
Speaker 4: so no, we you know we we we like to

2519
01:54:31,560 --> 01:54:35,000
Speaker 4: share in the love of football in All twenty two.

2520
01:54:35,160 --> 01:54:38,880
Speaker 4: But his comments in the past about Drake May, you know, really.

2521
01:54:38,680 --> 01:54:39,880
Speaker 6: Just can't overlook him for Fred.

2522
01:54:40,000 --> 01:54:43,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, there the receipts live on. You know, if it

2523
01:54:43,560 --> 01:54:45,520
Speaker 4: was up to Dani Orlovsky, Drake May would still be

2524
01:54:45,560 --> 01:54:47,960
Speaker 4: on the bench right now as he's putting together an

2525
01:54:48,040 --> 01:54:50,640
Speaker 4: MVP season on a ten and two team. So you know,

2526
01:54:50,680 --> 01:54:54,440
Speaker 4: I just I love you, Dan, Sorry, can't help it.

2527
01:54:55,680 --> 01:54:58,200
Speaker 1: Mike chat in Atlanta, I know it sucks that the

2528
01:54:58,320 --> 01:55:01,320
Speaker 1: universe decided to take away some of our most important players,

2529
01:55:01,320 --> 01:55:05,560
Speaker 1: but surprisingly, I'm not worried. I've just been so impressed

2530
01:55:05,560 --> 01:55:08,000
Speaker 1: by Mike Rabel and his staff. I know the knee

2531
01:55:08,040 --> 01:55:09,880
Speaker 1: jerk reaction from everyone is going to be to talk

2532
01:55:09,920 --> 01:55:12,320
Speaker 1: about how bad for Darien Lowe is, but let's have

2533
01:55:12,400 --> 01:55:15,280
Speaker 1: some faith in Doug Moron. Low and Brown came into

2534
01:55:15,360 --> 01:55:17,200
Speaker 1: the game on Sunday and I feel like they didn't

2535
01:55:17,240 --> 01:55:20,880
Speaker 1: miss a beat. There's a night and date difference between

2536
01:55:20,920 --> 01:55:22,880
Speaker 1: the coaching from last year and this year. I feel

2537
01:55:22,880 --> 01:55:26,280
Speaker 1: like that's what's going to save the season. That's what

2538
01:55:26,280 --> 01:55:29,960
Speaker 1: I'm banking onto, you said, and save.

2539
01:55:29,800 --> 01:55:33,720
Speaker 4: The season as such a like like I don't know.

2540
01:55:33,840 --> 01:55:36,280
Speaker 4: I mean the season is right like they're already going

2541
01:55:36,320 --> 01:55:39,720
Speaker 4: to the playoffs. I just need those guys back. If

2542
01:55:39,760 --> 01:55:41,520
Speaker 4: you're gonna make noise in the playoffs, you're gonna need

2543
01:55:41,600 --> 01:55:42,880
Speaker 4: Campbell and Williams back.

2544
01:55:45,120 --> 01:55:51,839
Speaker 1: CP right, sin Us fans are quote angry at barely

2545
01:55:51,880 --> 01:55:53,840
Speaker 1: beating one of the worst teams in the league because

2546
01:55:53,880 --> 01:55:57,040
Speaker 1: we may have the quarterback and some solid young players,

2547
01:55:57,080 --> 01:55:59,680
Speaker 1: but they're also going to lose Digs in some key

2548
01:55:59,720 --> 01:56:02,600
Speaker 1: veteran and soon. The front office got lucky with Diggs

2549
01:56:02,640 --> 01:56:05,360
Speaker 1: because their first option has been a non factor in

2550
01:56:05,520 --> 01:56:09,360
Speaker 1: injury prone Chris Godwin and their draft pick, and Kyle

2551
01:56:09,400 --> 01:56:12,480
Speaker 1: Williams has shown essentially nothing. Not saying that I agree

2552
01:56:12,520 --> 01:56:14,800
Speaker 1: with this, but I do see how this could be

2553
01:56:15,600 --> 01:56:19,040
Speaker 1: the best team. The best this team has player wise

2554
01:56:19,120 --> 01:56:22,160
Speaker 1: and schedule wise. The Bills, Chiefs and Ravens have had

2555
01:56:22,200 --> 01:56:25,280
Speaker 1: off years, and we're not expecting that next year. This

2556
01:56:25,320 --> 01:56:28,720
Speaker 1: is the year to really compete for champions So he's

2557
01:56:28,720 --> 01:56:30,200
Speaker 1: saying this is it do or die.

2558
01:56:30,280 --> 01:56:31,440
Speaker 6: I don't think it's do or die.

2559
01:56:31,480 --> 01:56:34,480
Speaker 5: I think this is a building process, and I think

2560
01:56:35,240 --> 01:56:36,960
Speaker 5: this is the way you've won more games than not.

2561
01:56:37,960 --> 01:56:40,720
Speaker 5: And I think suddenly this game seemed to really resonate

2562
01:56:40,760 --> 01:56:43,080
Speaker 5: with everybody, like how are we beating these bad teams

2563
01:56:43,120 --> 01:56:45,560
Speaker 5: only like this? And no one seemed to say this

2564
01:56:45,640 --> 01:56:47,400
Speaker 5: after the Atlanta game, And no one seemed to say

2565
01:56:47,400 --> 01:56:49,120
Speaker 5: this after the Miami game, and no one seemed to

2566
01:56:49,120 --> 01:56:52,520
Speaker 5: say this after the Tampa game, Like these teams are

2567
01:56:52,560 --> 01:56:54,920
Speaker 5: not that good that they're playing and more often than

2568
01:56:55,240 --> 01:56:56,800
Speaker 5: like New Orleans, New Orleans is one of the worst

2569
01:56:56,800 --> 01:56:59,000
Speaker 5: teams in football. They had the ball with a chance

2570
01:56:59,040 --> 01:57:01,040
Speaker 5: to win the game in the last two minutes. No

2571
01:57:01,080 --> 01:57:02,840
Speaker 5: one was up in arms that day. Is it just

2572
01:57:02,880 --> 01:57:06,400
Speaker 5: because the goalpost it moved that much? So today it's

2573
01:57:06,480 --> 01:57:08,400
Speaker 5: it's that that's an honest question.

2574
01:57:08,920 --> 01:57:10,920
Speaker 4: I think they want them to be on an upward

2575
01:57:10,960 --> 01:57:13,760
Speaker 4: trajectory going into the playoffs, because, like we were talking

2576
01:57:13,760 --> 01:57:16,920
Speaker 4: about earlier, more times than not, it's the teams that

2577
01:57:17,000 --> 01:57:19,200
Speaker 4: peak in December and January. It's not the team that

2578
01:57:19,240 --> 01:57:21,680
Speaker 4: flips the switch. And I think, you know not to

2579
01:57:21,720 --> 01:57:24,040
Speaker 4: do that whole thing. But the concern is probably that

2580
01:57:24,080 --> 01:57:25,600
Speaker 4: they peaked too early, right, And I.

2581
01:57:25,680 --> 01:57:27,800
Speaker 6: Just don't know as much different They're playing.

2582
01:57:29,760 --> 01:57:32,080
Speaker 3: Everything they possibly could out of what they had, and

2583
01:57:32,120 --> 01:57:34,960
Speaker 3: then once those top line guys that they brought in

2584
01:57:35,240 --> 01:57:37,920
Speaker 3: started getting hurt, now it's I.

2585
01:57:37,880 --> 01:57:40,240
Speaker 5: Thought they played better against the Jets on the Thursday

2586
01:57:40,320 --> 01:57:43,040
Speaker 5: night game than they did Sunday in Cincinnati, but not

2587
01:57:43,080 --> 01:57:45,720
Speaker 5: by a lot, not not, I mean not a huge

2588
01:57:45,720 --> 01:57:48,400
Speaker 5: difference to me, and they both wretchedly bad teams.

2589
01:57:48,440 --> 01:57:50,680
Speaker 4: I thought they played much better defense in Cincinnati.

2590
01:57:50,760 --> 01:57:52,320
Speaker 6: I agree.

2591
01:57:52,440 --> 01:57:53,320
Speaker 5: I totally agree.

2592
01:57:53,400 --> 01:57:56,320
Speaker 4: Cat ball's going through their hands and couldn't catch the passes.

2593
01:57:57,240 --> 01:58:00,200
Speaker 1: One more emails from Barton Poland. If I see another

2594
01:58:00,280 --> 01:58:03,760
Speaker 1: tweet or post or anything saying that it's Elliott Wool's

2595
01:58:03,760 --> 01:58:06,240
Speaker 1: fault that he didn't add any offensive line help at

2596
01:58:06,280 --> 01:58:09,160
Speaker 1: the deadline, I'm going to lose my mind. Anyone thinking

2597
01:58:09,200 --> 01:58:11,720
Speaker 1: a team would trade away a quality O line depth

2598
01:58:11,880 --> 01:58:15,000
Speaker 1: has absolutely no understanding of how the NFL works. The

2599
01:58:15,000 --> 01:58:18,760
Speaker 1: only linemen who are realistically available were guys like Trevor Penning,

2600
01:58:18,760 --> 01:58:21,560
Speaker 1: who absolutely sucks. The O line depth in the league

2601
01:58:21,640 --> 01:58:24,720
Speaker 1: is bad for every single team, so nobody is getting

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01:58:24,800 --> 01:58:28,240
Speaker 1: rid of anyone that is remotely capable of playing the position.

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01:58:29,280 --> 01:58:34,120
Speaker 3: So there, right, you know, they they hung on to

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01:58:34,200 --> 01:58:36,200
Speaker 3: Vederian Lowe. I mean he was hurt all summer. I

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01:58:36,240 --> 01:58:38,680
Speaker 3: mean he didn't come back into what like mid August

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01:58:38,720 --> 01:58:41,480
Speaker 3: was and he finally even started practicing. So I think

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Speaker 3: they continue. Elliot Will said, we've always thought he has

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01:58:43,640 --> 01:58:44,000
Speaker 3: good feet.

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Speaker 2: We've seen something there. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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01:58:46,840 --> 01:58:48,360
Speaker 2: We'll see how it all comes together with the new

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01:58:48,360 --> 01:58:48,920
Speaker 2: coaching staff.

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01:58:48,960 --> 01:58:50,480
Speaker 1: And again, like he was on the injury portal lot

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Speaker 1: last year, I'm.

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Speaker 3: Not giving him an excuse, but let's see what this

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01:58:53,160 --> 01:58:54,600
Speaker 3: guy who's rest lines up.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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01:58:55,160 --> 01:58:58,840
Speaker 4: I given him a I give them like Josh, well,

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01:58:59,000 --> 01:59:02,280
Speaker 4: he'll have chips, they'll they'll have help on that side,

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01:59:02,320 --> 01:59:04,200
Speaker 4: Like they're not going to leave him on an island

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01:59:04,320 --> 01:59:07,560
Speaker 4: to go up against Brian Burns on Monday night. And

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01:59:07,840 --> 01:59:11,040
Speaker 4: I give Josh McDaniels more of that. Like, I think

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01:59:11,040 --> 01:59:13,840
Speaker 4: he's better at that than just about anybody in terms

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01:59:13,840 --> 01:59:18,000
Speaker 4: of understanding where the weaknesses are potentially are and using

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01:59:18,040 --> 01:59:20,840
Speaker 4: things to help to that spot. I don't think that

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01:59:20,920 --> 01:59:23,360
Speaker 4: he's going to be last year's coaching staff would just

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01:59:23,440 --> 01:59:26,120
Speaker 4: kind of put those guys out.

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Speaker 1: For the best. Yeah, all right, we are done, but

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Speaker 1: we're back tomorrow. The day before Thanksgiving. No show on Thanksgiving.

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01:59:34,640 --> 01:59:37,440
Speaker 1: We'll take the day off, but we will be here

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01:59:37,480 --> 01:59:40,600
Speaker 1: tomorrow regular time. Catch twenty two tomorrow at ten. Yes,

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01:59:40,720 --> 01:59:43,560
Speaker 1: Barth is available. He's available because this is this is

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01:59:43,600 --> 01:59:45,160
Speaker 1: where he makes his money.

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01:59:45,760 --> 01:59:47,880
Speaker 6: It's a good point he's doing the afternoon.

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01:59:48,080 --> 01:59:50,120
Speaker 4: Okay, I was interested in if he was going to

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01:59:50,200 --> 01:59:50,760
Speaker 4: text me and.

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01:59:50,840 --> 01:59:53,760
Speaker 1: So Catch twenty ten tomorrow, we'll be at noon. We'll

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Speaker 1: see you then. Hey, this is Alex.

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Speaker 6: That's a lot.

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Speaker 8: Patriots Catch twenty two. We'll join Evan Lazar and Alex

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Speaker 8: the exits and o's trends and latest New England Patriots

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Speaker 8: roster moves and.

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Speaker 4: Not usually into the numbers. Okay, we do this.

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Speaker 1: I'm into the tangible numbers.

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Speaker 4: There's tames here. Just give me. There's the advantage of fact.

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Speaker 4: I'm surprised, you know, an old fan over here. I

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Speaker 4: thought maybe I'd have to show you, like a tutorial

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02:00:39,960 --> 02:00:40,400
Speaker 4: or something.

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Speaker 8: How am I old man search for Patriots catch twenty two?

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Speaker 4: Anywhere you get your podcast