1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:01,240 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk. 2 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 2: I'm buzz night and welcome back to the Taking a 3 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 2: Walk Podcast. Today we are revisiting our top episodes from 4 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, and this one is a conversation that 5 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 2: resonated deeply with music lovers everywhere, including me. It originally 6 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 2: aired on October tenth, twenty twenty five. It features the 7 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 2: extraordinary Grammy nominated singer songwriter Maggie Rose, an artist who 8 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 2: understands it. While no one gets out of this alive, 9 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 2: we can certainly make the journey beautiful along the way. 10 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 2: She was fresh off the release of her critically acclaimed 11 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four album No One Gets Out Alive, which 12 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 2: Rolling Stone hailed as one of the best albums of 13 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 2: the year, and Maggie joined us to discuss her stunning 14 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 2: new EP, Cocoon, featuring her powerful collaboration with Grace Potter. 15 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 2: I'm poison in my Well. I can't wait for you 16 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 2: to hear once again or for the first time. Number 17 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 2: four on the Top five of twenty twenty five, with 18 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 2: Maggie Rose coming up next Taking a Walk. Maggie, Welcome 19 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 2: to the Taking a Walk Podcast. I'm so happy to 20 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 2: have you. 21 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 3: I'm so happy to be here, thanks for having me. 22 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 2: So the opening volley we like to bring out is 23 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 2: the question, no, what's coming you do, don't you? The 24 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 2: question being if you could take a walk with somebody. 25 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 2: I'm blushing now, you see, if you could take a 26 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 2: walk with somebody, living or dead, who would you take 27 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 2: a walk with? Then maybe where would you take that walk? 28 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna cheat because I have to say two people. 29 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 3: Paul McCartney because he's the greatest and I want to 30 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 3: hear all the stories about those early days and the caverns, 31 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 3: but I also want his take on where music is today. 32 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 3: And if I can be so greedy, I have to 33 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 3: also say Abraham Lincoln because he was one of our 34 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 3: greatest residence during such incredibly divisive time and I would 35 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 3: want to know what he would think about today and 36 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 3: how he would navigate today. 37 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 2: That's awesome. I just recorded a future episode yesterday with 38 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 2: Eric from the band Midlake, and he said Abraham Lincoln, 39 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,119 Speaker 2: and he was talking himself out of it a bit 40 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 2: at first, and I said, wait a minute, you know, 41 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 2: he's he's one of the guys, right, He's. 42 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 3: Like he's one of the guys. Yeah, Like absolutely paramount 43 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 3: to our history. People kind of chuckle when I say that, 44 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 3: because they think that as a musician you sort of 45 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 3: need to default to another musician. But you know, I'd 46 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 3: also work very hard to make Abraham Lincoln a fan 47 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 3: of my music. That would be a cool accomplishment to have. 48 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, I think that those really were 49 00:02:56,360 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 3: unprecedented times and how did he turn down the temperature? 50 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 3: And how could how could he possibly unite our country today? 51 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 2: Yeah? What could we learn from our past, you know? 52 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 3: And what would he think about where we've arrived. I mean, 53 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 3: I'm sure that might be a kind of brutal criticism 54 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 3: from him to see where we've come. 55 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 2: But. 56 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 3: I think that it would just be a eye opening 57 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,519 Speaker 3: to have some perspective from someone who was able to 58 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 3: in some sort of solution during a time where it 59 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 3: felt impossible. 60 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 2: And Paul McCartney would then set us straight down industry wise, 61 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 2: where things are absolutely heading. One of the things I 62 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 2: love about all of your music, the new song Staying Cocoon, 63 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 2: the EP, and certainly your great career is the fact 64 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 2: that you touch many different genres. 65 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 3: You like. 66 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 2: Bending the rules a bit over your career. What inspired 67 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 2: you to always think that way? 68 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 3: I think it's less about bending the rules and not 69 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 3: really regarding rules, trying to kind of serve each song 70 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 3: with the sonic arrangement that it needs. And I like 71 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 3: to explore my capabilities and continue examining myself as an artist. 72 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 3: So I think that just naturally brings me to these 73 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 3: different these different soundscapes. And I'm very collaborative, so I 74 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 3: know that that also lends itself to some of the 75 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 3: different sounds that you hear. Is just all the different 76 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 3: people I work with. 77 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 2: And you were a fan favorite at Americana Fest recently. 78 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 2: It sounds like you had multiple great experiences. Do you 79 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 2: want to talk about one with the symphony in particular. 80 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 3: Yes, it was surreal. So on my last album, No 81 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 3: One Gets Out Alive, I had a lot of these 82 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 3: really great orchestral arrangements, and we actually used a symphony 83 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 3: in Macedonia for the recording. This was something that sort 84 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 3: of came out of the pandemic where these incredible symphonies 85 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 3: were able to remotely record scores for films and arrangements 86 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,559 Speaker 3: for albums like my own. So this is the first 87 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 3: time that I actually got to realize that kind of 88 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 3: presentation with an actual ensemble behind me, it was seventy people, 89 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 3: So that was daunting because that's a big train and 90 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 3: once it's moven, there's no stopping it, there's no improvising, 91 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 3: So that part was nerve wracking, but it just was 92 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 3: I just got totally swept up in the experience, and 93 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 3: it felt like one of those moments where you know 94 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 3: there aren't many, but where you get there and you're like, Okay, 95 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 3: this is kind of that touch point of all this 96 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 3: work that I've been doing over the last couple of years. 97 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 3: To be able to play this music with these musicians 98 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 3: who've dedicated their lives to their craft and just talk 99 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 3: about a collaborative experience. It was like everybody together helping 100 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 3: carry these songs through. And something happened right before I 101 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 3: hit the stage where I was able to consciously slow 102 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 3: my brain down and be like, please enjoy this and 103 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 3: don't let the sensory overload just make it go by 104 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 3: so quickly, and I was able to really settle in 105 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 3: and enjoy the night. In just that concert hall in Nashville. 106 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 3: It's so beautiful, and all the people that contributed to 107 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 3: this record, so many of them were there, and it 108 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 3: just felt like a big celebration, and I hope it's 109 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,919 Speaker 3: the first of many. Now that we have these arrangements, 110 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 3: I know there's symphonies all over world that I'd love 111 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 3: to recreate that night with. 112 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 2: I got chills. It's awesome, It's fantastic. 113 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 3: I got chills too. It was It was really very, 114 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 3: very special. 115 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 2: I want to talk about the twenty twenty four album 116 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 2: No One Gets Out Alive. It, you know, certainly has 117 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 2: a haunting title. What was your headspace as you were 118 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 2: in the midst of that project and that creation. 119 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 3: I kind of felt like I had nothing to lose. 120 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 3: I wrote that song with Natalie Humby and Sunny Sweeney, 121 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 3: and it was after I'd lost people close to me. 122 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 3: I had people that passed away, I had friendships that 123 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 3: didn't sustain the pandemic and all the stress of that, 124 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 3: and I just felt like life is too short and 125 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 3: it should be celebrated, and we should create things that 126 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 3: are beautiful. And I kind of took that approach to 127 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 3: the production as well, Like these were big arrangements, and 128 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 3: we swung for the fences and I tried to put 129 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 3: together like the best band that I could put together 130 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 3: in the studio, and I just really I went for it, 131 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 3: I suppose, And it's a lot about life and all 132 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 3: of its wonder and you know how different events affect 133 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:32,199 Speaker 3: our perception of the passage of time, and it's about gratitude, 134 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 3: and I think I just was at a place in 135 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 3: my life where it was just so like, incredibly palpable, 136 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 3: and all the joy and sorrow just felt like a 137 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 3: really creative moment I think for me. 138 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 2: And then moving into cocoon, you have your son, Graham, 139 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 2: your new young lad. How much did motherhood influence this 140 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 2: metaphor of sort of transformation and emergence. 141 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 3: I think there was also about insulation, to protecting myself 142 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 3: during this time of a physical creation and also just 143 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 3: musical creation. I wanted to have this snapshot of these 144 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 3: collections of songs during this really special time in my life. 145 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 3: And it also was about growth and all the beautiful 146 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 3: things about it, but also the sharper edges of it 147 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 3: and how you know, not everyone wants to grow at 148 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 3: the same rate as you. Not everyone wants to go 149 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 3: with you to this new place that you're going. And 150 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 3: emergence is worthwhile, but you shed some things on your 151 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 3: way to that next phase as well. So I think 152 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 3: it was a lot of it about anticipation, letting go 153 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 3: of things that I didn't need to bring with me 154 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 3: in this new chapter as a mother, you unburdening myself 155 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 3: of some resentment. And also there's songs about hope that 156 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 3: I want to impart that idea on Graham and show 157 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 3: him that there is a world where hope is very 158 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 3: much alive. 159 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 2: You collaborated on Cocoon with this this gentle flower who 160 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 2: needs to come out of her shell by the name 161 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 2: of Grace Potter. 162 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 3: You know, she's such a wallflower, she's so shy. I 163 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 3: loved y'all's episode by the way she's She's such a 164 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 3: great person. The song is about, you know, not necessarily 165 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 3: being able to support someone else in their successes and 166 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 3: the antithesis of that. She's so supportive and like her 167 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 3: Vermont community benefits from that, but also her creative community. 168 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 3: She's always lifting people up. And I shared this music 169 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 3: with her after it was done because I wanted her 170 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 3: to hear it and I wanted her feedback on it. 171 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 3: But really I was angling to get her to jump 172 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 3: on this song with me, and she, just the way 173 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 3: she is, she said yes on the spot when I 174 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 3: asked her over to the phone and her husband, Eric Valentine, 175 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 3: is an incredible producer and engineer, so the two of them, 176 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 3: I think that night, went and put Grace's part on 177 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 3: Poisoning My Will, and she sent it back the next 178 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 3: day and I just was like, this is surreal and 179 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 3: an example of like, asked for what you want and 180 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 3: you might get it, and we certainly did with what 181 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 3: she contributed to that song. 182 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 2: It's so great. I love it Poisoning My Will And 183 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,199 Speaker 2: thanks for your nice words on having Grace on. She 184 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 2: makes it very easy to roll with the flow because 185 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 2: she's got such amazing energy and focus and. 186 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 3: I love going on walks with her. I mean just 187 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 3: she is. She's so generous with just her her thoughts, 188 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:13,719 Speaker 3: her takes on what's going on, and she'll just sit 189 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 3: in it with you and kind of you know, there's 190 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 3: not an agenda. She's trying to figure it all out 191 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 3: and work through it with people. 192 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 2: Can you remember the first time in your life that 193 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 2: you were impacted by music? 194 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 3: Yes, I mean I was very young, and I actually 195 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 3: think it was because I always loved just sing around 196 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 3: the house and I love to perform for my parents' 197 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 3: friends and they'd come over for dinner. Like I just 198 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 3: was a bit of a showboat in that way. But 199 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 3: I think what impacted me was seeing this group of 200 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 3: adults all of a sudden fall silent and pay attention 201 00:12:56,200 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 3: and gather together just to like commune music. I think 202 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 3: seeing the power of that in the community that it 203 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 3: brings at such an early age was pretty impactful to me. 204 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 3: And there were some pretty cool opportunities as a very 205 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 3: young person to sing with other people and choirs and 206 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 3: just kind of getting to learn from that. And also 207 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 3: my parents played great music around the house too, Like 208 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 3: my mom would just be like, what do you think 209 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:34,559 Speaker 3: about this song? She played like the Duds and Mary 210 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 3: Shape and Carpenter and talk about their songwriting. And it 211 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 3: just was like a very alive in my house. 212 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 2: And very diverse musically, which leads to your diverse musical approach. 213 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 2: Certainly there was a pop side. I mean, you grew 214 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 2: up outside of DC, right. 215 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 3: That's right, Yeah, so you And also the divas were 216 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 3: just like abound when I was growing up, I feel 217 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 3: like more so then now. It's just like the female 218 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 3: singer was everywhere in every genre, really celebrated, and I 219 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 3: think that definitely shaped my inclination to want to sing 220 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 3: and belt it out like them. 221 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: We'll be right back with more of the Taken a 222 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: Walk Podcast. Welcome back to the Taken a Walk Podcast. 223 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 2: How much since you moved to Nashville quite a few 224 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 2: years ago, has Nashville changed. 225 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 3: It's a totally different town in my opinion, But I've 226 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 3: also found a different Nashville myself personally. I think in 227 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 3: the creative community that I have around me. And when 228 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 3: I moved here in two thousand and eight, I was 229 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 3: releasing commercial country music. I was doing the country radio thing, 230 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 3: and you know, being dragged around the country doing radio tours, 231 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 3: trying to get the one song played on that station. 232 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 3: And I feel like I would put a whole year 233 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 3: of my life into promoting this one song when you 234 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 3: know we have multitudes within us, and just the template 235 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 3: didn't really work for me. And I think that forced 236 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 3: me to explore my sound and that's when the soul 237 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 3: started to come out. And my departure from that approach 238 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 3: actually just opened up my world of music. So I 239 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 3: started working in a different way, and I think that 240 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 3: that made me attract people who maybe aren't what you 241 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 3: would typically assume a Nashville musician to be like Nashville's 242 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 3: music is. The spectrum is so much more broad than 243 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 3: it was before. You'll find people making all kinds of music, 244 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 3: and I love that it's growing. Traffic sucks, but the 245 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 3: food's gotten really good. I do wish that there was 246 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 3: some reverence for the old music venues around town. This 247 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 3: being music city, I think that we've forsaken some of 248 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 3: those really awesome institutions that made people want to move 249 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 3: here in the first place. There's so much it's given 250 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 3: way to the bottom line and tourism and all those 251 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 3: things which are necessary proceeded to grow. But yeah, I 252 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 3: think I'm missing the soul of the music scene a 253 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 3: little bit in terms of the live entertainment. But there 254 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 3: are some incredible places still. 255 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 2: There's a lot of unsung musical heroes, songwriters, session people 256 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 2: that need to be showcased and acknowledged more. I know 257 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 2: there's a ton of them that worked on Cocoon with you. 258 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 2: Why don't you shine a light on some of these 259 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 2: at times unsung heroes. 260 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Melissa Fuller is an incredible writer. She's 261 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 3: also a great artist, and I've written songs with her 262 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:15,439 Speaker 3: own previous projects. Davis Nash. He was one of the 263 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 3: producers with Bent Tanner who produced my last album, and 264 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 3: Davis helped me write a lot of the songs. He 265 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 3: is an incredible programmer and musician. The Ben Tanner is 266 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 3: he's with the Alabama Shakes out on tour right now, 267 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 3: and he's been so instrumental to my evolution. We made 268 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 3: an album down at Fame and Muscle Shows a couple 269 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:47,719 Speaker 3: of years ago, and then we worked on No. One 270 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 3: Gets Out Alive. And he's someone who really gets into 271 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 3: trenches with me and helps me with a and our 272 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 3: process and selecting the songs, and I mean the role 273 00:17:55,480 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 3: of producer he takes and he runs with it offers 274 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 3: so much more. Of course, Natalie Hemby's a great friend 275 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 3: of mine. She collaborated on it. Steph Jones, who's had 276 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 3: a hell of a year. She's written a bunch of 277 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 3: songs for Sabrina Carpenter and has a great op sensibility. 278 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,439 Speaker 3: Oh boy, I know I'm forgetting a bunch of people. 279 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 3: But my sound guy, Anderson Clenn Dennen helps with the 280 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 3: mixing of it, and he's like this young kid who 281 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,120 Speaker 3: comes out on the road with us and is such 282 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 3: a whiz I'm very excited to watch his career grow. 283 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 3: I forget that he's like only twenty four or something, 284 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 3: so yeah, it's exciting. I stay inspired by the people 285 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 3: I get to work with. 286 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 2: I mean, you've been an independent, you know, kind of 287 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 2: self founded in your own way. Can you give a 288 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 2: piece of advice to artists trying to make it without 289 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 2: the big machine behind them? 290 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 3: Yes, I mean I think you have to be resolute 291 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 3: and the fact that this is what you want to do, 292 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 3: and definitely don't let what's around you validate your efforts. 293 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 3: I've done this with a big machine. I've done it 294 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 3: independently over the years, of course, and I think just 295 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 3: always wanting to write that next song, and staying curious 296 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 3: and wanting to continue to examine myself that's never gone away. 297 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 3: I think staying creative is a choice. You have to 298 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 3: just be diligent about it. I think that's an approach it. 299 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 3: I feel like I need to always be trying to 300 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 3: flex that muscle. And also I have done this in 301 00:19:54,200 --> 00:20:00,040 Speaker 3: such a grassroots way. I think playing live regularly and 302 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 3: all these different markets and making sure that I go 303 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 3: back and nurture those communities that have come out and 304 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 3: seen me over the years, Like that's a really important 305 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 3: way for me to sustain my audience and what I do, 306 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,679 Speaker 3: even if it's a little bit longer of a lapse 307 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 3: in between releasing new music, Like we just we try 308 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 3: to stay out there because the live show is so 309 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 3: important to me in connecting with people. 310 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 2: Talk about some more of the songs on Cocoon that, 311 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 2: in particular you feel are going to really play great 312 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:37,679 Speaker 2: out in front of people. 313 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 3: Well, I failed to mention Chuck Harmony and Claude Kelly 314 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 3: as some of my collaborators. They wrote the title track 315 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 3: with me, and they also wrote Relentless with me, and 316 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 3: they actually are very celebrated songwriters. They've written songs for Miley, 317 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 3: Cyrus and all sorts of people. But I think Relentless 318 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 3: is a really great message for the EP as a 319 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 3: whole because I wrote it just a few days after 320 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 3: I found out that I was dropped by my previous 321 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 3: record label. I have a new home and everything turned 322 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 3: out all right, But that was one of those moments 323 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,360 Speaker 3: where you're asking, like, how does an artist keep going 324 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 3: without the big machine. That was definitely a moment where 325 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 3: I decided to double down and press on, And I 326 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 3: think that that always goes over really well in audience 327 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 3: because it's not necessarily providing a solution for the listener, 328 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 3: but it is definitely an encouraging message. 329 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 2: The Washington Post little newspaper called you one of music's 330 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 2: rising storytellers. What stories are you most compelled to tell 331 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 2: right now, at the stage of year of your. 332 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 3: Life right now? Stories of hope. The last song on 333 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 3: the EP is a song called Fly and it's the 334 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 3: only song in this collection of songs that I didn't 335 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 3: write and record, you know, while I was pregnant. I 336 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 3: actually wrote it years ago with Caitlin Smith and Rolei Goldswick, 337 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,479 Speaker 3: and it almost I felt like I was like, this 338 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 3: is too hopeful, this is too positive, and because of 339 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 3: where I am right now with my son and I'm 340 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 3: excited about the future, I felt like, Okay, this is 341 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 3: time to share this message and maybe it'll be like 342 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 3: Field of Dreams. If you put it out there, it'll happen, 343 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 3: And I think that's what we need right now. No, 344 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 3: it sounds trite, but if you can package it in 345 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 3: a way that you can believe, and I feel like 346 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 3: I'm trying to get there, then that's okay. We can 347 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 3: I'll have more of that out there, for sure. 348 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 2: Maggie, you clearly have this approach which is not leaving 349 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 2: anything you know, taken for granted and just playing and 350 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 2: creating as if it's the last time you're going to 351 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:32,120 Speaker 2: play and create. You you have that all in thousand 352 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 2: percent approach for sure. Do you know when that first 353 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,719 Speaker 2: clicked in as a musician, that attitude? 354 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 3: I mean, I think sometimes it's it's almost like I 355 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,919 Speaker 3: just need to get in that mode and hope that 356 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 3: I will mentally arrive there. So like it appears that way, 357 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 3: but I think it's because I see this as a vocation. 358 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 3: I think think it's there's not really a plan B, 359 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 3: there's not something else I would rather be doing. So 360 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 3: it makes it very simple in a way because you're 361 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,439 Speaker 3: just like, well, this is it, and I'm getting to 362 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,120 Speaker 3: do what I love. And yeah, it comes with some 363 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,479 Speaker 3: challenges and it can be kind of gnarly at times, 364 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 3: but I don't have to wonder about what else I'd 365 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 3: want to be doing, So that kind of makes it 366 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 3: easy in a way to just say, Okay, we're all in. 367 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 2: I'm so grateful that you came on the podcast and 368 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 2: for I'm so grateful for the music that you continue 369 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 2: to give us and the performances and and oh I 370 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 2: neglected to let you plug your podcast, so why don't 371 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 2: you plug your podcast? 372 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 3: Thank you. It's called Salute to Songbird and I get 373 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 3: to interview all my favorite women in the industry. And 374 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 3: I just did a special episode Caitlin Smith and Lucy 375 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 3: Silvis and Jillian Jacqueline about motherhood and being a working 376 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 3: mom in the industry. But I've had Melissa Etherra John 377 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 3: and Nancy Wilson, and it's just it's so dreamy. And 378 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,640 Speaker 3: now I'm doing in front of a live audience, which 379 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 3: is really fun because I'm talking to other performers and 380 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 3: they just really give me great interviews with that energy 381 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,479 Speaker 3: in the room. So I hope to continue doing it. 382 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 3: In the list of people that I'm being recommended, it 383 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 3: just never ends. It's constantly growing because there's so many 384 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 3: amazing people out there to talk to well. 385 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 2: And those people want to be on with the cool people, 386 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 2: and you are one of the cool people. 387 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 3: So thanks Buss. 388 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks Maggie. 389 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 3: I'm trying. 390 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 2: I appreciate you being on. This is awesome. 391 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 3: It's great to talk to you. 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