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Speaker 1: And we had some breaking news on Wednesday morning. The

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Speaker 1: It's about a bonding experience. These OTA practices are kind

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Speaker 1: saying that as like a shot, like you could argue

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Speaker 1: they've always been a little overrated, but it's much more

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Speaker 1: about spending time together, depending on where you live, maybe

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Speaker 1: a group, going to big dinners, just getting to know

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Speaker 1: each other. Now, part of the trip to Maui that

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Speaker 1: but I also think this is a built in way

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Speaker 1: getting away for training camp because it just kind of

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Speaker 1: isolated the group. And I remember when I was with

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Speaker 1: the Eagles. They no longer do this. We used to

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Speaker 1: go to Lehigh and you would just go. I forget

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Speaker 1: up in this area. Wasn't much to do, just kind

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Speaker 1: the equipment staff, the scouts, and it was just like,

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Speaker 1: that's kind of it when fans come from practice and

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Speaker 1: several weeks. And I do think there is a bonding

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Speaker 1: element that is really really positive, especially in a day

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Speaker 1: the plane over there, approaching like a road trip. You

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Speaker 1: stay for three or four days on the water, do

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Speaker 1: Dallas Goddard was going to get traded. Now looking back,

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Speaker 1: maybe it was the Eagles hoping for him to take

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Speaker 1: a pay cut. And you know, just believe in, like, listen,

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Speaker 1: you don't have that many options in the teams that

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Speaker 1: would be interested. It might suck like you might not

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Speaker 1: be your team might not be any good, So you

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Speaker 1: can take a little haircut here and you can continue

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Speaker 1: to be trying to be defending champ. Who knows we're

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Speaker 1: gonna be favored to win it again, like we're gonna

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Speaker 1: the organization, by just saying like, yeah, he's on the

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Speaker 1: team as of now, like they would make comments like that,

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Speaker 1: was trying to pressure, like listen, and I'm sure behind

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Speaker 1: the scenes are telling him we want you to stay,

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Speaker 1: it's worked recently. If you build the right culture and

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Speaker 1: in with the Rams. The forty nine ers have done

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Speaker 1: it multiple times. With Kyle Uschek, It's like we want

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Speaker 1: you here, but you got to take a cut, and

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Speaker 1: he'll like look around, He's like, I'm just gonna stay.

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Speaker 1: I like playing here, And to me, that speaks to like, now,

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Speaker 1: some of these guys I and never blamed like Milton

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Speaker 1: taking a little haircut to stay at a place where

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Speaker 1: you know you could win, where you know they like you.

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Speaker 1: There is value to that, and clearly Dallas Goddard saw

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Speaker 1: that in staying with the Eagles. Okay, before we get

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: All these new coaches, I'm sure you saw the Vverabel

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Speaker 1: if you're Ben Johnson, if you're Aaron Glenn All these

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Speaker 1: And while you're doing it, you're gonna have in the

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Speaker 1: But you're not really able to tell because you're not

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Speaker 1: of put away till training camp, but you need to

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Speaker 1: teach the base of your offense and defense to your team.

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Speaker 1: So when you show up to training camp, it's really

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Speaker 1: I wonder if they know what to do. Of course

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Speaker 1: Okay, very very excited to have a longtime NFL VET

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Speaker 2: the player in his level of comfortability. And then also,

642
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 2: you know, it goes back to when I got off

643
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 2: the field, man, I was working with S and Y

644
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 2: and I'm currently still working with S and Y, but

645
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 2: we were able to have Jerome Bettison and I only

646
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,720
Speaker 2: know JB. You know, when I got to the Steelers,

647
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 2: JB had just left the locker room, but he was

648
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,919
Speaker 2: still very much around and they were still honoring him

649
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 2: for his career. And I remember I asked him that

650
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 2: specific question. I was like Hey, man, how do you

651
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 2: how do you kind of walk the line between getting

652
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 2: after a guy and you know, just kind of not

653
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 2: hurting the guy or night not threatening your access into

654
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 2: the locker room. And he was like, listen, man, I

655
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 2: always always talk about the situation, not the player, and

656
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 2: so I kind of always leaned on that, lean on

657
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 2: that type of advice. But when you're dealing with an

658
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 2: organization like the Jets, who have year after year found

659
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 2: some way to kind of lower the bar and kind

660
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 2: of you know, just kind of being dismay, it wears

661
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 2: you out. You know, because as two guys as me

662
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 2: and Bart both played for the organization, we both tried

663
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:58,439
Speaker 2: our dannis to bring to bring positivity and bring wins

664
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 2: and championships into the building. It just happened. Nevertheless, I

665
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 2: think to your point, I think you pay the fan

666
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 2: and the and the watcher a disservices. You try to

667
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 2: talk around it if you kind of dumb it up

668
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 2: a little bit, because they're watching the game and they're

669
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 2: just as passionate and intent and they pay attention to

670
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 2: details just like you. So I think and honest and

671
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 2: direct approach is always good. And we try to tell

672
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 2: a lot of Jet fans. We don't want it. I

673
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 2: go is not to be negative and bassat Jets. That's

674
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 2: not it at all. Our goal is to talk about

675
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 2: how good you.

676
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,240
Speaker 1: Rather go to the super Bowl and win sixteen games?

677
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 2: Right. We want to talk about the positivity. We want

678
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 2: to highlight these guys. But we also realized we got

679
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 2: a job to do. And listen, we've been yelled at,

680
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 2: We've got We've gotten, you know, a couple slap on

681
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 2: the hands and and like, hey guys, pull it back

682
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 2: a little bit. But also you know, and you notice too, John,

683
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 2: like you're there to sell. You know, we got to

684
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 2: sell what you're talking about. You we want people to

685
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 2: watch and pay attention. And so it's it takes a

686
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 2: lot of kind of you know, it takes a lot

687
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 2: of development, takes a lot of mature and you got

688
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 2: to also know when to pull back and go forward.

689
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 2: And I think we try to have a healthy balance

690
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 2: and then have humor behind it. I see somebody's John,

691
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but I see some of

692
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 2: these debate shows and some of these people you would

693
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 2: think we're talking about world politics.

694
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: It's crazy.

695
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 2: And I'm just like so many people gotta relax, like like,

696
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 2: let's let's breathe a little somebody and you guys just

697
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 2: and I'm I was a passionate player and I'm all

698
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 2: about passion. But some of these people, it feels it

699
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 2: feels like they want to rip your throat out. And

700
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 2: I'm just like, bro, let's it's not back a little bit.

701
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 2: And I've and I've definitely gotten there from time to time,

702
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 2: so I'm I'm not I'm not exempt from that, but

703
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 2: I try to. I just try to keep it one

704
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 2: hundred or keep it a buck, as the young people say,

705
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 2: and have fun with it.

706
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 1: I think it's you know, you have a perspective, but

707
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, have it been in there? How serious?

708
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: The coach is, the front office and obviously the owners.

709
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: I mean, you know these people. It's probably a little

710
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: different because it's not like the channel you're working for

711
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: is broadcasting. You know, it's not like they're necessarily in

712
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: direct business with the Jets. But you know these people,

713
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: you know, some of these coaches, because coaches bounce around.

714
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: I mean, have you ever got over the last couple

715
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 1: of years some text and calls specifically with the Jets

716
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: of like I thought that was bullshit what you said,

717
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: or any any situations that. I mean, you're used to

718
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: being uncomfortable, you're an offensive lineman, but I mean you're

719
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:16,439
Speaker 1: damn I gotta.

720
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 2: I haven't received anything like directly that you know, no

721
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 2: one has directly hit my line, so to speak, but

722
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 2: they will hit the producers or you know, there will

723
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 2: be an email that would be kind of that will

724
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 2: be sent around amongst the crew, like hey, guys, like

725
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 2: last week was last week we went there, but that's

726
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 2: kind of like, you know, put a positive spin. And

727
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 2: even when we come into production and meetings, they'll try

728
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 2: to put more of a positive spin or try to

729
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 2: lay more boundaries of where we can go so we

730
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 2: don't have to fall into, you know, maybe saying something

731
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,280
Speaker 2: that kind of ruffle feathers. But I think most coaches

732
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 2: understand what it is. I think good coaches don't really

733
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 2: pay attention to adhere to it. And New York's a

734
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 2: different market, you know, it's just a different dog. But

735
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 2: I think we try to just have fun with it,

736
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 2: bring some insight perspective, and also defend the players when

737
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 2: we can. You know, I don't think we always bash everybody.

738
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 2: I think we do try to stand up and say hey,

739
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:09,720
Speaker 2: this is what guy, this is why a guy responded

740
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 2: this way, or this is what a guy needs more of,

741
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 2: and this is what the organization and coaches are not

742
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 2: doing to make this guy better play. I think we

743
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 2: try to take that approach as well.

744
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: I think one big difference. I was at the gym

745
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 1: this morning, look up in steven A and they're screaming

746
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 1: about you know, Anthony Edwards last night. It's like, guys,

747
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: game one, Everything's gonna be okay, Steph's out, I mean,

748
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: where's in trouble? But like in basketball players players players,

749
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: in football, the coaches are a big element of it.

750
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: And you know, obviously with the Jets in that situation,

751
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: which to me, like as someone I never played in

752
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: the league but scouted, like, it's way harder to make

753
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: the league as a player than it is to get

754
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: involved as a coach. Obviously to be a good coach

755
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: like a Mike Tomlin, like an Andy Reid. But there

756
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 1: are a lot of assistants like how's this guy, And

757
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: some of these guys end up becoming coordinators. And then

758
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: we see in these big spots the hype on teams

759
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: and the Jets that are just completely overwhelmed and you're like,

760
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: this is this is what is going on and the

761
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: fans now I think understand. Listen, we can nitpick play

762
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 1: calls right or wrong, but big picture, over the course

763
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:09,959
Speaker 1: of a year like this ain't gonna work.

764
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, one of the things that I have

765
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 2: come to love especially, and I think it's starting to

766
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 2: become more of a renaissance right now more than ever.

767
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 2: Like I watch what Dan Campbell did in Detroit and

768
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 2: bringing guys in who not only played ball but no

769
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 2: ball and can also relate to guys. And I was

770
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,280
Speaker 2: privy to that because when I got to the Pittsburgh

771
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 2: Steelers in two thousand and six, I had Russ grim

772
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 2: as my office a line coach. I couldn't have a

773
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 2: better office a line coach than Russ Gribb at that

774
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 2: time of my career, because you know, I'm only six

775
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 2: y three. Russell was about six two sixty one. He's

776
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 2: an undersized guard, but he was, you know, he was

777
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 2: tough as rusted boat nails, and so was I, and

778
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 2: so a lot of my game he saw on himself,

779
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 2: and so we were able to have not ex and

780
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 2: O's talk, but just being a maybe an undersized guard

781
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 2: or I was tackled, actually an undersized tackle. What that?

782
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: What?

783
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 2: What it meant to play on the edge, The little

784
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 2: things I had to do to be effective. And only

785
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 2: a guy who played ball could have those conversations with

786
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 2: a young guy who won. Didn't play against LSU, didn't

787
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 2: play at Alabama, you know, I didn't play in the

788
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 2: big time level. I went to Hostra D one double A,

789
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 2: and so the guys I were going against was all

790
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 2: speed guys, two hundred and fifty pounds, six foot five

791
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 2: eleven guys. You know, a couple of times, I'll have

792
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 2: some guys who are long, rangy guys. But I was

793
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 2: quick and strong, so I knew how to kind of

794
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 2: neutralize all their skill sets. Russ was the first guy

795
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 2: that said, hey, man, you're never gonna beat a guy

796
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 2: in an arms race, right. You don't have the you

797
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 2: don't have Jason Taylor type arms, nor do you have

798
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 2: Trey Thomas type legs. What you do have is really

799
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 2: quick feet, and you're strong at the point of attack,

800
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 2: and you're aggressive. So he was able to kind of

801
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 2: take my game and say, all right, let's do this,

802
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 2: let's let's let's add some pat sets let's you know,

803
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 2: if you got a wide nine, let's not let's not

804
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 2: kick vertical like a Joe Tom and meet him at

805
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 2: a point I need you to go get him like

806
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 2: how Jason Peters used to do with that forty five angle.

807
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 2: Or he would be like, hey, man, you got a

808
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 2: guy like Trevor Price is my first start. You know,

809
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 2: Trevor Price is six at the time, he's six eight,

810
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 2: two hundred and seventy pounds. He's like, dude, he's coming

811
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 2: downhill on your chest. You're gonna have to learn how

812
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 2: to anchor, and you have to learn how to work

813
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 2: your hands. So he taught me how to take every

814
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 2: guy who I was going to go to games and say, hey,

815
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 2: this is what you can do, this is what you

816
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 2: can do to beat his best, and have those conversations

817
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 2: game by game. And it helped man instead of just

818
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 2: saying what I see now, and it pisses me off

819
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,919
Speaker 2: from coaches to your point, John, who because they read

820
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 2: a book or they've been around ball long enough, they

821
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 2: have this kind of worldly view of how to play

822
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 2: each position. But now everybody's cut the same right. And

823
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 2: so I was fortunate enough once again to have Russell

824
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 2: say hey man, for this guy, we got to work

825
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 2: on this this week for that guy. This is what

826
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 2: we gotta do. Is saying like, hey man, I need

827
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 2: you know this. This is one of the things I

828
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 2: pissed me off. John. I know you've heard a million times.

829
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 2: I just need you to go out there and put

830
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 2: hands on him. Come on, dude, you know what I mean,

831
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 2: Like me, jump me, me, me putting the hands on

832
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 2: Michael Parsons or Von Miller. That's not enough, right, You

833
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 2: gotta you gotta bring your A plus game against these

834
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 2: guys because of how shifty, how crafty, their level of knowledge,

835
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 2: how they work in their scheme. So you got to

836
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 2: be disciplined in what you do, but you also got

837
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 2: to be see different angles of how to attack them

838
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 2: to be effective when each and ever played. So it's

839
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 2: it's just a different dog. That's why I'm I like

840
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 2: what Dan Quinn did down it is doing down in Washington,

841
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 2: bringing guys who know ball. Obviously, Dan Campbell, Aaron Glenn

842
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 2: has done the same, and it's not a knock and

843
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 2: knock against guys who didn't play at that or play

844
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,439
Speaker 2: ball at that level. But it's just a different dog

845
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 2: talking to new dogs. You're trying to become big dogs.

846
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: Did you go at the combine?

847
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 2: No?

848
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: I didn't because I was looking for I was actually

849
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 1: looking for your arm light because I wanted to dive

850
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: into this. I knew it would be interested and I

851
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 1: couldn't find it on my I bet he didn't go

852
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: to the combine. I mean, speaking of the draft for

853
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, obviously the big talk for

854
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 1: you know, you know your group the offensive line was

855
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: Will Campbell in arm length? Do you know what your

856
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: arm length was? Because that was a big question on him.

857
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 1: The difference is this dude played at LSU when was

858
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: a four year starter, and you watch them talk, You're like,

859
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: I think this guy's kind of a badass. You know,

860
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: I think you'll probably figure it out.

861
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't. I'm one. I don't know who

862
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 2: my arm length is or was. I think armleft tends

863
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 2: to get overrated because I come from the school with

864
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 2: footwork wins. If you're able to move your feet, stay

865
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 2: centered balance and not getting knocked off your balance on contact,

866
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 2: usually you can kind of you can work armlift kind

867
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 2: of plays into factor. If you're used to a guy

868
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 2: who wants to go to stab the bull or kind

869
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,720
Speaker 2: of get down the midio treest or really work your arms.

870
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 2: I think that more has to do if you maybe

871
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 2: sometimes playing high and just having faster hands right, getting

872
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 2: guys off you right away. Like I watched, it's so funny.

873
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 2: I was on Good Morning Football this past Monday, and

874
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 2: they were showing highlights of me against Mike Rabel. Like

875
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 2: Mike Rabel is all of six, five sixty six, Yeah,

876
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:58,919
Speaker 2: and that was like one of my big starts against

877
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 2: the Patriots, a right tackle. I watched. It was funny.

878
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 2: I was laid out of my stands a couple of times.

879
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 2: Sometimes I look like I just ran out of my stance,

880
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 2: but I was battling and then sometimes you got my

881
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 2: edge and sometimes I got him. But I realized when

882
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 2: I was kind of watching a little clips they showed,

883
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 2: I was always thinking about how to attack right. I

884
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 2: just stayed on the attack. And I think for a

885
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 2: lot of guys who have those little deficiencies, I think

886
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 2: you only get in trouble when you become neutral. You

887
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 2: always got to stay on attack, especially against the edge rusher,

888
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 2: just kind of keep tackling them because those guys are

889
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 2: taught how to attack you, right, they get your shoulders,

890
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 2: they attack your hands, your rich to elbow. So I

891
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 2: think if you have a more of attack mentality and

892
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 2: just goes like that, that kind of neutralize them because

893
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 2: that forces them to think faster while you just stay

894
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 2: in your mode. Right, because we notice snap count, we're

895
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 2: on offense. So that's how I've always been able to

896
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 2: process little things like that.

897
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 1: What do you think is the biggest reason? Because obviously,

898
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: I mean most of these guys that get drafted at

899
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 1: offensive line, especially a tackle, they all fit measurables. They're tall,

900
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: most of them now are coming from the big programs.

901
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 1: Look at the guy's drafted high. But a lot of

902
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 1: them aren't going to become the ex Trent Williams or

903
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: Lane Johnson. Like why is a guy like you play

904
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: for a decade plus and playing a bunch of big

905
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: games and some of these guys are gonna be out

906
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: a league in three or four? Like what's a What's

907
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: something that you can't measure at that position? Because to me,

908
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 1: offensive line, once you get to a little bit of

909
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 1: an intangible position like quarterback more than some of these

910
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:18,959
Speaker 1: other positions, like you can either run or you can't.

911
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 2: A corner. I think, you know, I always kind of

912
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 2: I was talking to a young office a lineman not

913
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 2: too long ago. I think I forgot where he's going

914
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 2: to school. But he was just talking ball, and I

915
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 2: was like, man, the key to a good office lineman

916
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 2: is you gotta have the three the three things that

917
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,399
Speaker 2: ALIGNE and that's you gotta have the brains right from

918
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 2: the neck up. You gotta be able to evolve and

919
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 2: learn and get better. And two, you gotta have the heart.

920
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 2: You gotta be tough, you gotta be spills, you're connected.

921
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 2: And number three, you gotta have nuts right because you're

922
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 2: gonna go against some guy who just flat out his

923
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 2: genetics are better than yours, and you're gonna have to

924
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,439
Speaker 2: play that guy all a day where you don't feel

925
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 2: the best that you got a knee issue, you got

926
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 2: a back issue, and you gotta be able to get

927
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 2: yourself off the training table. You gotta battle, and you

928
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 2: gotta practice a lot of these guys don't practice enough

929
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 2: to john and what I mean, Like, I remember one

930
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 2: time I got blindsided and a game against the Cincinnati

931
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 2: there was a linebacker by the name of BJ Johnson.

932
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 2: He knocked me on my tail landed sideways. Anyway, I

933
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 2: end up having a hematoma on my tailbone, and it

934
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 2: bit my tailbone like that, like like the end of

935
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 2: an umbrother, like a j and I remember, my ass

936
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 2: hurts so bad, like my ass was on fire. They

937
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 2: get me off the field and I go back onto

938
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 2: the game and we're running stretch zone left and right,

939
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 2: and I look like, you know, like Scooby Doo and

940
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 2: the Mystery. I'm running like this going down the field,

941
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 2: just trying to come. My ass is hurting so bad.

942
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 2: But I finished the game. And then that next week,

943
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 2: I practice all week and I can remember Mike Tom

944
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 2: and go, well, I know your ass is hurt. I

945
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 2: could just And by the way, I'm I'm in the

946
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 2: meetings wearing a blue I'm sitting on a blue donut.

947
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 2: And he's like Willie. He's like, man, I know your

948
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 2: ass is hurting, but I appreciate you putting yourself out

949
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 2: there and putting in a day's work. Some of these

950
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 2: guys deal with some of these injuries, man, and they

951
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 2: don't realize this because there's a difference between hurt injured

952
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 2: right injured, is you got a strained pull, bruise, hurt

953
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 2: is something dangling off your body, and so and I

954
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 2: just I just realized that, you know, we sometimes we

955
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 2: got to tell these guys to keep going, and the

956
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 2: best you're going to feel is the first day of

957
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 2: training camp and then the best you know, you're not

958
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 2: gonna feel good for the rest of the year. And

959
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 2: so I think for me, what help my longevity was

960
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 2: just being able to play through pain, play through the

961
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 2: tough times and just keep going and then have a

962
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 2: short term memory and continue to work on my game,

963
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 2: because as you get older, you evolved.

964
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: You know. I was talking to a scouting buddy and

965
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:35,919
Speaker 1: he was telling me, you know, the thing I loved

966
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: the most about Georgia. He's like, it's easy to you

967
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: go to a game see these guys, but if you

968
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: go to their practices. You know, from Nolan Smith to

969
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 1: the guys this year, they never miss practice because they

970
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: know they can't or they will get replaced. And it

971
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 1: has that NFL mindset, so they get there. You talk

972
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: to the Chiefs, Chiefs players don't miss practice. You think

973
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: it's they're not just randomly winning these last six years.

974
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: Obviously they got a great quarterback, but that culture the

975
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: last couple of years they struggle to score, but they're

976
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: tougher than you, and that toughness gets developed in practice.

977
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 1: I look, it's funny watching the NBA last night. It's

978
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 1: like the records in the NBA. Half these teams like

979
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: one the third of the league's tanking, half the team's

980
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:15,800
Speaker 1: load management. Whatever, many fifteen twenty games you played and started,

981
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 1: you played in a Hunter games, started Hunter games. If

982
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: you were healthy, you played. And that's kind of the

983
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 1: football mentality, and I think some guys can struggle with that,

984
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 1: especially now bounce around to college. You get to the pros,

985
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: it's like, this is a long season. It might not

986
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: be as physical as the eighties, but it's still physical.

987
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: And you see some of these guys, especially these young guys,

988
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: just kind of get overwhelmed early. And some of them

989
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,919
Speaker 1: can mentally overcome it, and some of them clearly get

990
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 1: weeded out.

991
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's different. My last two years with the Jets,

992
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 2: I started to see guys who were high draft picks.

993
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,479
Speaker 2: You couldn't get them off the trending table, right, didn't

994
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 2: matter how much you rehab them, did, how much, how

995
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 2: you lessen their reps or you know, allowed them to

996
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 2: do little things. You just couldn't get them off the table.

997
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 2: Then you saw certain guys who ball meant the world

998
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 2: to them, right, and they were limping around the field,

999
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 2: getting through individual drills, and when it came team time,

1000
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 2: they were at least getting one or two tips or

1001
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 2: one or two reps to be the best they can

1002
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 2: be for the reps. Those are the guys I'm like,

1003
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 2: you know, they get it, and so I don't think

1004
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 2: it's a I think we're gonna see more guys to

1005
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 2: your point, because the season is longer, there's more the

1006
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 2: demand on the body. We're gonna see more guys we're

1007
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 2: gonna have trouble getting off the training table. And the

1008
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 2: guys who I played with, who they just didn't miss

1009
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 2: no matter how they felt. I think those guys will

1010
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 2: become a rarity. And that's and that's because of the

1011
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 2: current state of where we're at in college football.

1012
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: You think toughness is like a quality that you're born with.

1013
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:40,919
Speaker 1: I mean, you're a small school guy, but you're from

1014
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: New York. But I mean there's a big difference right

1015
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,720
Speaker 1: between D one double A and going to the Pittsburgh Steelers.

1016
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: Were they the defending champs when you got.

1017
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 2: Drafted they had just one. Yeah, they had just beat Uh.

1018
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,240
Speaker 2: That was Jerome Bettis's last game is Pittsburgh versus Seattle.

1019
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 2: They wanted Detroit.

1020
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: So like you probably think you're a tough guy you

1021
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 1: get drafted, but then you go in that environment against

1022
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,720
Speaker 1: that defense. I mean, is there is there a developed

1023
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 1: hardware that's just you kind of like, Okay, I gotta

1024
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 1: I gotta figure this out. I don't really have a choice.

1025
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 1: You're scared? Are you scared? Your first training camp a

1026
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 1: little bit or nervous training camp?

1027
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 2: John. I remember when we were going into OTA's and

1028
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 2: Russ's laying down the rotation for the drills, and I'm,

1029
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:21,879
Speaker 2: you know, I'm running with the second team at write

1030
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 2: tackle and I'm saying to myself, okay, that's good. And

1031
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 2: you know our first team was Marvel Smith, Allen Fanica,

1032
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,720
Speaker 2: Jeff Harding's, Kendall Simmons, and Max Starks at right tackle.

1033
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 2: And I'm like, all right, these guys that just want

1034
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 2: a Super Bowl, I don't know how many reps they're

1035
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 2: gonna get. And by the by looking at them, they

1036
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 2: don't look like they're about to take a lot of

1037
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 2: reps like they were. Just like we're chilling like we

1038
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 2: just want to super Bowl. We're kind of cruiser. That

1039
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 2: wasn't that wasn't the case. These guys were. These guys

1040
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 2: were ready to go. So I was like, oh, so

1041
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 2: he gave me a sense of height, like, oh, I

1042
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,439
Speaker 2: gotta I gotta be ready to go. And so when

1043
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 2: the ones rolled out and then the twos rolled out, man,

1044
00:51:56,200 --> 00:52:00,080
Speaker 2: I remember sitting in my stance. First of all, I

1045
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 2: played upright, I played in the spread, so I was

1046
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 2: at a two point. I struggled to get in the

1047
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 2: three point when I got to Pittsburgh and Rex Rex

1048
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 2: was let mean, Rex Russe was like, you're gonna have

1049
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:09,959
Speaker 2: to learn how to play in the three point stands.

1050
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:11,399
Speaker 2: We're gonna have to work on that. So that took

1051
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:15,959
Speaker 2: me some time. Nevertheless, I remember standing up and having

1052
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 2: like kind of a photoshop memory of looking at Troy Polamalo,

1053
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 2: a c. Hampton, you know, Ike Tailor, I'm looking at

1054
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 2: Aaron Smith, I'm looking at all these kick ass dudes,

1055
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 2: and I'm like, what the hell am I doing here? Look?

1056
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 2: How did I get here? Like, like, what what is

1057
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 2: this right now? And it's so funny. We had we

1058
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,879
Speaker 2: were just pulling an install and we had sixty two

1059
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 2: protection and so the slider is going away from me.

1060
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 2: I'm one on one on the on the back side,

1061
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 2: and I had most dangerous So anything that comes into

1062
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 2: B gap, I have to now honor. If nothing's there,

1063
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 2: I got to be able to kick out. And we

1064
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 2: have been working on it, and man, sure enough, Paula

1065
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 2: Madel comes down Troy and he's and he's in the

1066
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 2: B gap. So I'm like, all right, immediate threat. I

1067
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 2: got this guy. They're gonnaven throw. They're gonna throw off

1068
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 2: the widest right. So I'm locked, locked and locked and

1069
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 2: locked in snap combs. I took my eyes off Troy

1070
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 2: for a second just to peek out here. I kicked

1071
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 2: and all our here is whoa, whoa, And I turn

1072
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 2: around and all I saw was Troy's hair bouncing, floating away.

1073
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:21,399
Speaker 2: And I can remember turning around like I didn't think

1074
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 2: he was He wasn't there, and Russ was like, you

1075
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 2: can never take your eyes off. And it wasn't just

1076
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 2: a misassignment in my head. It was insane how fast

1077
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 2: he was and how fast that defense reacted because at

1078
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 2: one moment when I too, you know, he looked like

1079
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 2: he's about to bail out of there, and I had

1080
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 2: this one on one on the edge and and soon

1081
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 2: I remember it was so crazy. When he was in

1082
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 2: the begap. I remember him turning his back to me

1083
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 2: and I remember seeing the forty three on his back.

1084
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, he's not coming. So my eyes

1085
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 2: shot right out here. And as soon as I took

1086
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 2: my eyes off him, he did some like three sixty

1087
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 2: spin shot the b gap and tap bend on the shoulder,

1088
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,280
Speaker 2: and I said to my and I remember saying to myself, God, damn,

1089
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 2: though this is the NFL, because the speed and the craftiness,

1090
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 2: it was just like it all happened like this, and

1091
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 2: so it made me grow up really quick. And playing

1092
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 2: against a really really good defense like we had made

1093
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:09,839
Speaker 2: me grow up real quick.

1094
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: But I mean you came into the league at a

1095
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: time when I mean there were double days. I mean

1096
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:16,879
Speaker 1: it was just you know, training camp was in tense, right,

1097
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: and but it was great for guy drafting mid round

1098
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: and you could you kind of prove yourself. It's much

1099
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 1: harder now earn as many practices, aren't as many reps

1100
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 1: going around. I mean, it's it's important.

1101
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 2: These guys would never know what the feeling is to

1102
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 2: wake up six o'clock in the morning. And if you

1103
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 2: ever been to Latrobe, Latrobe, Pennsylvania is where Saint Vincent

1104
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,320
Speaker 2: College is. So we would have to leave our dorm,

1105
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 2: go down into the training facility, get taped up, try

1106
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:45,879
Speaker 2: to get some grub. Be on the field by seven

1107
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 2: point thirty, I think with the eight fifteen the latest.

1108
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 2: And by that time you could see the monks that

1109
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 2: would be coming down the hill right and while the

1110
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 2: sun was coming over their heads. It thought it was

1111
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 2: like seeing out of Mortal Kombat.

1112
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 1: It was.

1113
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 2: It's crazy. And if you've ever been to Latrobe, there's

1114
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 2: no trees anywhere, so we got these black helmets. It's

1115
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,720
Speaker 2: it's watching these monks come down this hill from praying.

1116
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,439
Speaker 2: And my first coach ever was Bill Kawer, and he

1117
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 2: was just looking at everybody like it's time to go

1118
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 2: to work. And I can remember one time when we

1119
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 2: were on the practice field, we started to practice real

1120
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 2: kind of ugh. You ever was kind of limping around,

1121
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 2: We were kind of sobbing a little bit, and we

1122
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 2: were like halfway into practice and he blew the whistle,

1123
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 2: cussed us out and made us get back in our

1124
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 2: stretch lines and start the whole practice over and I

1125
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 2: and then from then he was like right to nine

1126
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 2: on seven. When I tell you, this is probably the

1127
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 2: most blood lust nine on seven because everybody was pissed off.

1128
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 2: I mean, guys were firing out, they god damn pleats,

1129
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 2: and at one point, if a bra was to start,

1130
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 2: it probably would have been the best thing that happened

1131
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,479
Speaker 2: to me because I was so out of breath because

1132
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 2: we were fighting at slugging for like a whole hour

1133
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 2: and coward I remember cower and then that practice after

1134
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 2: everybody's like tearing on each other. It's not blood. We

1135
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 2: were just like all pissed off that he made us

1136
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 2: start all over. It's ninety five degrees and he was

1137
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 2: just like, we o to Pittsburgh Steelers, and there's a

1138
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 2: target on our back. If we don't practice to the

1139
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 2: level of this intensity, we're going to get our ass

1140
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 2: tracked by everybody we got in front of us. And

1141
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 2: that just kind of like with the Champs, we got

1142
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:13,760
Speaker 2: to practice like the chance, we gotta spad like the tramps.

1143
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 2: On top of that, we had an afternoon practice, right

1144
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 2: and on top of that all that blood, sweat and

1145
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 2: teams that was plastered all over us. We had to

1146
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 2: put that back on that wasn't dry. Those fans weren't

1147
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 2: drying those paths. Those fans weren't drying those pants. So

1148
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 2: you're putting back on wet jerseys, wet shoulder pass, wet pants,

1149
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 2: and you gotta go get it again, and you gotta

1150
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 2: have the same type of practice and intensity you had

1151
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 2: around the nine eight fifteen, nine, nine to fifteen mark.

1152
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 2: And so a lot of these young guys don't know

1153
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 2: what that means to like just smell like dog shit

1154
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 2: and you're just I'm in trouble, just trying to earn

1155
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:47,879
Speaker 2: a job.

1156
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 1: Well, you know what's funny is, like, I mean, I'm

1157
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 1: similar age to you. Is the Steelers brand. I mean

1158
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 1: it's it's one of the more powerful ones in all

1159
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: of American sport and any team. But let's face at

1160
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: the last i mean close to a decade, they haven't

1161
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: won a playoff game. I just saw a headline and

1162
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: you had a front row seat for Rogers last year.

1163
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,320
Speaker 1: He's not quite the same guy now, granted his standard,

1164
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 1: I mean he's one of the greatest players of all time.

1165
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 1: That one of their minority owners said today that like

1166
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: this deals more complex than artificial intelligence. Like it's it

1167
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: feels a little bizarre. Now sometimes you don't have a quarterback,

1168
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: they're in a weird spot. It's not an easy fix,

1169
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: but clearly they're just waiting for him, and it feels inevitability,

1170
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: but a lot different from the operation that you played

1171
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 1: for that was competing for championships and the only thing

1172
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: that really stood in your way. It felt like we're

1173
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,439
Speaker 1: the Patriots. Where it's now, it's like they're not even

1174
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 1: close to being like on the second tier with the

1175
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 1: Bills and the Ravens in the AFC, and now they're

1176
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: just waiting for Rodgers to be like, yeah, I'll see

1177
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 1: you guys next week. It's like, fuck, OTA's I mean,

1178
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 1: he's starting. What are we doing here?

1179
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, what.

1180
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 1: Your thoughts on the Rogers Steelers situation?

1181
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 2: So a couple of things. I think there has been

1182
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 2: reports that Rodgers supposedly has a timeline and when he

1183
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 2: needs to say yay or nay. I think that's I

1184
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 2: think that's been documented overall. I think if for me, so,

1185
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 2: I watched Aaron Rodgers last year and I watched I

1186
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:14,919
Speaker 2: watched a lot of things. One I thought he should

1187
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 2: have played in the preseason, right, that didn't happen. Then

1188
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 2: his first game is against San Francisco for the nine

1189
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 2: Ers and Sant fran and they just didn't look like

1190
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 2: they were on the same page. Valle. At the offensive line,

1191
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 2: we're dealing with guys like Elijah de Vera Tucker who's

1192
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 2: coming off of injury. Morgan Moses is, you know, some

1193
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 2: guy who's battling trying to get himself acclimated on top

1194
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 2: of a Tyrone Smith who's pretty much a shell of

1195
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 2: himself but really was putting in the best effort he

1196
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 2: could to fight out there. And John Simpson and Joe

1197
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 2: Timman the center were probably the best pieces on the

1198
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 2: offensive line. With that said, when Tyrone struggled, Aaron struggled.

1199
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 2: Now you fast forward that and obviously Devonte Smith comes,

1200
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 2: Aaron has all his weapons. We're still now win the

1201
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 2: games that just don't have priest Hall. The offense is

1202
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 2: going through Aaron Rodgers. The last couple of games, when

1203
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 2: Olu Fashion who came at left tap started at tackle,

1204
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 2: you saw Aaron one get healthier and two you saw

1205
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 2: glimpses of old Aaron start to pop on the tape

1206
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 2: because he had more time because when Aaron sits in

1207
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 2: the pocket, he shifts to his left to kind of

1208
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 2: open up to see the field, and you saw him

1209
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 2: to deliver the field, deliver the ball and make some

1210
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 2: strikes down the field. I thought when the season ended,

1211
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 2: that was the best I've seen him in his two

1212
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 2: years as a Jets quarterback. Now, with all that said,

1213
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 2: him going to Pittsburgh, man, I think the Steelers looked

1214
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 2: at last year's last five games, meaning when they played

1215
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 2: the Bengals, when they played the Chiefs, when they played

1216
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 2: the Ravens, and they played the Eagles, there was an

1217
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 2: elite level quarterback on that side of the field that

1218
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,919
Speaker 2: the Steelers just didn't have with Russell Wilson. Like Russell

1219
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 2: Wilson struggles to throw the ball in the middle field,

1220
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 2: he was throwing fades and go balls, and if the

1221
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 2: running game wasn't, you know, clicking, they were just stagnant.

1222
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 2: So I think in They're headed, they're saying, all right,

1223
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 2: if we could keep Anon Rodgers up right, we can

1224
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 2: get this office of this run game going, and we

1225
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 2: can allow him to just sit back there and do

1226
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 2: what he does best, which is sure run an offense,

1227
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 2: but he also can improvise. And that's why I was

1228
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 2: happy to see the last couple of games with him

1229
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 2: as a Jets, because when he was able to improvise,

1230
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 2: we saw the flashes of air of old. So I

1231
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 2: understand this. I understand that Steler saying, Hey, there's nothing

1232
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 2: worse than watching the movie and knowing how it's gonna end.

1233
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 2: That's how That's how Steeler fans have felt the last

1234
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 2: couple of years. And they had to do something, and

1235
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 2: they're trying to do something. So if it means taking

1236
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 2: a forty two year old quarterback coming off for torn

1237
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 2: the Achilles to allow him to do what he does,

1238
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 2: or give us a seventy percent of the goat Annon Rodgers,

1239
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 2: what a defense that we know can battle. You know,

1240
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 2: we can probably make some things go.

1241
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 1: So I think we'd both agree it's an upgrade. But

1242
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: you're still playing. I mean, Joe Burrow looks like modern

1243
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 1: day Montana back there, and Lamar's the greatest dual threat

1244
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 1: quarterback we've ever seen. Like that, what do they do?

1245
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Joe Burrow has a defense, I mean, he

1246
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 2: gets MVP, they win. They their record doesn't look like

1247
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 2: what it looked like last year he's hands down MVP

1248
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 2: over Josh Allen to myies.

1249
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, so getting Aaron Rodgers does that change what we've

1250
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 1: seen this last I don't know five years where they

1251
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 1: were a nine or ten win team and just get

1252
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 1: ransacked in the first round.

1253
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 2: They just never had They never recovered from losing Ben Roethlisberger,

1254
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 2: like Ben retired and for some reason, you know, they

1255
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 2: really didn't bring somebody in the building who they felt

1256
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 2: to be the Aaron parent, Like they had the opportunity

1257
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 2: to draft Dak Prescott and they didn't. People forget that,

1258
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 2: like Dak was sitting sitting there waiting for to be drafted.

1259
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 2: Dak went in the fourth round, and Ben was showing

1260
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 2: signs that he was on his way out or they were,

1261
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 2: you know that, you know, the the light towards the

1262
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 2: end of the tunnel was coming sooner than later, and

1263
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 2: they never had somebody you understand what this is why

1264
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 2: I think I get mad with people don't understand how

1265
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 2: hard or acknowledge what Mike Thomas been through. He went

1266
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 2: from Duck Hodges to Mason Rudolph to Kenny Pickett after

1267
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 2: losing Ben Roethlisberger, a two time Hall of Fame quarterback

1268
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 2: soon to be Hall of frank quarterback, like we're talking.

1269
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 1: About he didn't draft Kenny Pickett and it picked twenty though.

1270
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 1: I mean they went all in on.

1271
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 2: Them, that's true. But my point is like they went

1272
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 2: from sugar to shit, you know what I mean, So

1273
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:08,439
Speaker 2: that that's where I'm going at. So like, and they've

1274
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 2: still been able to make it to the playoffs and

1275
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:15,920
Speaker 2: battle against some really highly uh some elite teams like

1276
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 2: the Buffalo Bills in Ravens twice a year, Cincinnati, Like,

1277
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 2: they've been able to battle and sure good outcomes, bad outcomes,

1278
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 2: But when you have that far drop off and still

1279
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 2: maintain some level of relevancy like people, I don't think

1280
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 2: think people really understand what that means, what that looks like.

1281
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 1: Did you think they were gonna draft your door a

1282
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:34,560
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago.

1283
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 2: I thought it was a shot. But I'm happy with

1284
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 2: Will Howard. I don't I think people he gives me

1285
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 2: those Captain America type vibes. Has dealt with a lot

1286
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 2: of adversity in his career. You know, six'. Five seems

1287
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 2: like he cares and only wants to play, football WHICH i.

1288
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 2: Love and so we'll see what, happens you don't get his.

1289
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 2: Opportunity you know what comes of. IT i don't. Know

1290
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 2: it's all up to, him BUT i don't mind the.

1291
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 2: Pick BUT i did think This deelers was gonna take

1292
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 2: a swing at him first round though.

1293
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 1: That that playoff run he had At Ohio. State if

1294
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:07,919
Speaker 1: he had played like that all, season there's no way

1295
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:09,919
Speaker 1: he's there at the end of the. Year six.

1296
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 2: Round BUT i say, This, listen they lost To michigan

1297
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 2: and they could have laid. Down he could have laid,

1298
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 2: down but he. Didn't you know that Him and you gotta.

1299
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 2: Understand you, know The steelers Took Jack sawyer And Will

1300
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 2: howard and if you talk to if you and only

1301
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 2: because my you, KNOW i got friends who Are buckeye,

1302
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 2: fans AND i pay attention to the world of football

1303
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 2: like you. Do know a lot of a lot of

1304
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 2: their teammates, say, hey, man IF i was in a back,

1305
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 2: Alley i'm Taking Will, Howard i'm Taking Jackson like these

1306
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 2: are the two guys they're, saying, Like, hey IF i

1307
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 2: got to go to war AND i gotta go to

1308
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 2: back alley or brassknuckles in a baseball, bat these are

1309
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 2: the two GUYS i bringing with. Me those are the

1310
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 2: still two Pick steelers picked, up, right and SO I

1311
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 2: i credit The steelers of always finding a guy who

1312
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 2: represents or has the SAME dna as of what the,

1313
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 2: stealer what The steeler brand. Means So I'm i'm happy about,

1314
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 2: that AND i like the first pick And Derek. Harmon

1315
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 2: The steelers need a. DEPTH i think they have nightmares

1316
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 2: of them get beat up By baltimore and ran through

1317
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 2: AND i think they needed. More definitely they got.

1318
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 1: Him so the other news today is The steelers and

1319
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 1: The cowboys did a. Deal, uh what were your first

1320
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 1: thoughts On George, pickens who clearly kind of got a

1321
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 1: little weird at the end of the year and then

1322
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 1: this year they trade FOR Dk. Metcalf but at one

1323
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 1: point time you're, thinking are they just gonna play with

1324
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 1: both those two guys pretty big, outside you, know Weapons,

1325
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 1: rogers but obviously bye bye To George. Pickens what was

1326
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 1: your thoughts? There?

1327
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 2: Yeah WHEN i WHEN i heard About George pickens and

1328
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 2: THE DK Dk metcalf, COMBINATION i was, like they pretty

1329
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 2: much got the same. Guy bothys are all about go

1330
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:41,240
Speaker 2: balls and, fades, right and SO i and and WHAT

1331
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 2: i mean same guy personality, wise, Right Like I'VE i

1332
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:49,440
Speaker 2: watched three GAMES DK dk metcalf this uh this. Year

1333
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 2: two out of three games he was he was snapping

1334
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 2: out on the sideline like he didn't look. Happy he's either,

1335
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 2: argued he was arguing with his position, coach or he

1336
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 2: was yelling at a. Teammate and WHEN i Watched, george

1337
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 2: there was always something going on with him on the,

1338
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 2: Sideline SO i was, like, oh you pretty much got

1339
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 2: the same. Guy. Uh the issue with The steelers right

1340
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 2: now is that it looks like The Dallas cowboys have

1341
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 2: their number two now With George pickens and OBVIOUSLY cd

1342
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 2: being the number. One it ALLOWS cd to kind of

1343
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 2: continue to stay on the slide and Make hay and

1344
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 2: do what he. Does and now you Have george to

1345
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 2: kind of run those go balls and phase and just

1346
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 2: does what he. Does but overall it also allows you,

1347
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 2: know D k to kind of continue to beat. Him

1348
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 2: but The stellers don't have a solid number. Two LIKE

1349
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 2: i Like Calvin, AUSTIN i DON'T i don't mind, him

1350
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 2: but when you're talking about a legit number two, STILL

1351
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 2: i don't know if The stellers have, it so, uh

1352
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 2: maybe you, know maybe they have something in the, draft

1353
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 2: BUT i. DON'T i don't know how they can look

1354
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 2: at what they had with both of them and feel

1355
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 2: like they won at the end of the day after

1356
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 2: Watching George pickens leave the building.

1357
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 1: Up, well what's the? Line, obviously you Know tomlin can handle.

1358
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 1: People you, know first time head Coach, schottenheimer WHO i

1359
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 1: think you, Guys you guys just missed each other when

1360
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 1: you went to The. Jets he even gone a year or.

1361
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 1: Two but you, know it's a pretty tough job to

1362
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 1: begin with coaching The. Cowboy then you Get George pickens

1363
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 1: on top of your hype. Price it's not an EASY i,

1364
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 1: mean it's part of working For. Jerry jerry's gonna do

1365
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 1: what he wants to.

1366
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 2: Do, sure you, know, LISTEN i think if You're Brian,

1367
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 2: schottenheimer you gotta be on. Brand and the shot In.

1368
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 2: HIMER i knows when he was with The, jets, right

1369
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 2: and they had a really good officer. Line they're running

1370
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 2: the ball and they had a defense to back it.

1371
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 2: Up so If i'm, shoddy that's what they have to figure.

1372
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 2: Out two fists of their office a line last year were.

1373
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 2: Rookies now you Got Tyler, booker who you just got In.

1374
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:29,520
Speaker 2: Alabama now you got a younger and more sturdy office,

1375
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 2: Line but now you gotta get a you, know you

1376
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:33,040
Speaker 2: gotta get a game break and running. Back you gotta

1377
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 2: get somebody that can Make hay and be as effective

1378
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:38,120
Speaker 2: As saquan is in the. Division, NOW i know there's

1379
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 2: only One, saquan AND i know there's only One Derrick,

1380
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:42,160
Speaker 2: henry BUT i look at guys Like Karen williams for

1381
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:44,919
Speaker 2: The rams and how impactful he was for The rams last,

1382
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 2: Year and NOW i look at certain running backs who

1383
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:49,520
Speaker 2: even though they may not be the, guy they still

1384
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 2: they still have an impact on the. Game The cowboys

1385
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 2: have to get that. Guy AND i don't know if

1386
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 2: they have that guy in the. Building we'll, see But

1387
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 2: i'm glad they got office line. Help and it looks

1388
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 2: like from a draft, standpoint you, know they they were

1389
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 2: able to kind of fill some boys and guys who

1390
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:07,480
Speaker 2: can play right. Now but, overall, man The cowboys have

1391
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:10,440
Speaker 2: to get back to running the ball and taking taking

1392
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 2: some of Them brooks Off dak. SHOULDERS i, mean that's

1393
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 2: gonna be thirty two years old coming off of Torn.

1394
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:18,880
Speaker 2: HAMPSHIRE i, know think about. That there is no there's

1395
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 2: no question about a run. Game the only way that

1396
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 2: man survives if he does have a run. Game SO

1397
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 2: i JUST i think at this point it's redundant to

1398
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 2: keep talking about they have to run the. Ball shottenheimer

1399
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 2: has to come, alive take some of Them brioks Off dak's,

1400
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 2: shoulders and hopefully they can get a run game in

1401
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 2: a division that you, know you watch what The eagles,

1402
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 2: do you watch what The giants are going to, do

1403
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:46,520
Speaker 2: and you, know the commanders see what debo is for that.

1404
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 2: Offense but they're gonna have to run the.

1405
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:50,479
Speaker 1: Ball i'm sure he. Saw it's probably like a month

1406
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 1: ago When rogers went out with McAfee and he made

1407
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:55,840
Speaker 1: a big deal about How Aaron glenn cut him or

1408
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:57,960
Speaker 1: told him like they were. Done it's, like you, know

1409
01:07:58,000 --> 01:07:59,439
Speaker 1: this is a guy who's played in the league twenty,

1410
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:01,920
Speaker 1: years been. LUCKY i, mean he's earned it because he's

1411
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 1: a great. Player but most players hear that, talk and

1412
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 1: you can tell he was shell. Shocked now could they

1413
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 1: have called? HIM i don't. KNOW i, thought it's, like, yeah,

1414
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 1: bro they were told they didn't want you, Anymore like

1415
01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:15,880
Speaker 1: welcome to THE. Nfl that was my. THOUGHT i don't

1416
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 1: know what you're.

1417
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 2: Talking, okay let's Let's i'm glad you. Go glad we,

1418
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:21,559
Speaker 2: Brother let's keep it at. Honey if you was to

1419
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 2: break up with a, girl would you prefer over the

1420
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 2: phone or we prefer face to?

1421
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:30,320
Speaker 1: Face depends on the LENGTH i mean face to. Face

1422
01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:31,839
Speaker 1: Probably i'm a face.

1423
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:36,439
Speaker 2: To face type, guy right BECAUSE i would respect anybody says,

1424
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:40,560
Speaker 2: Hey willie man and man in my own. Presence this

1425
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 2: does it's not working no. More it's time to move

1426
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 2: on rather than you act Like tommy Tough nuts over

1427
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 2: the phone and we AND i don't AND i can't

1428
01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:48,439
Speaker 2: sense your energy right.

1429
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:50,760
Speaker 1: Because i'm gonna hate you anyway if you do it that, way,

1430
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:52,679
Speaker 1: Right i'm gonna be like he just called. Me fuck

1431
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 1: this guy.

1432
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 2: Exactly one hundred. Percent on top of, that and, God

1433
01:08:56,360 --> 01:08:58,840
Speaker 2: Aaron rodgers has a countpound In New jersey where he

1434
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 2: just Brought like it wasn't like he just went he

1435
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 2: left the mansion and landed in another, mansion so it

1436
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:04,720
Speaker 2: was like he was staying out of holiday in you,

1437
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 2: know like like he has a beautiful home here In New.

1438
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:10,800
Speaker 2: Jersey to fast, FORWARD i think people don't understand When

1439
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 2: Aaron glenn got to The jets in twenty. Thirteen he

1440
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 2: was a, scout he was learning the, ropes AND i

1441
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:18,000
Speaker 2: asked him at the SAY i was IN i just

1442
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:19,960
Speaker 2: had just got to The jets around at the same,

1443
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:23,040
Speaker 2: time from the time that man has left The jets

1444
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 2: to going through his coaching carousel to going back into

1445
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 2: the landing back In New, york The jets have not

1446
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:32,839
Speaker 2: made the. Playoffs, Right SO i retired in twenty. SIXTEEN

1447
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 2: i landed excuse, ME i landed in The jets in twenty.

1448
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:38,880
Speaker 2: THIRTEEN i retired in twenty. Sixteen it is twenty twenty

1449
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:41,880
Speaker 2: five from that time spent just that time, span, right

1450
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:43,519
Speaker 2: the last time The jets went the playoffs in twenty,

1451
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:46,000
Speaker 2: ten they had not made the. Playoffs and just to

1452
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:49,400
Speaker 2: add another layer of, that he's walking into a building

1453
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:52,479
Speaker 2: where the core of this, team The Quinton, williams the Assaust,

1454
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 2: guards The Garrett, wilson's The Breeze, halls on and on and.

1455
01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:59,559
Speaker 2: On when they were, drafted especially coming from winning, programs

1456
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:02,559
Speaker 2: they had expectation that they were gonna change how The

1457
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:04,800
Speaker 2: New York jets are going to be perceived for the

1458
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:07,840
Speaker 2: future and what The jets look. Like these guys have

1459
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 2: not seen the. Playoffs if, anything they've. Regressed Quentin williams

1460
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:14,000
Speaker 2: is gonna be twenty seven Years he's twenty seven years.

1461
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 2: Old three, years he's gonna be. Thirty he's gonna start coming. Downhill,

1462
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 2: right because if you turn on the, tape the man

1463
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 2: gets double team every damn. Play it still has to Make.

1464
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 2: Hay there's nobody on the other side of him to

1465
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 2: take some of that pressure off. Him on top of,

1466
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 2: that we saw the regression Of Sauce, Gardener we saw

1467
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:32,240
Speaker 2: the frustration Of Gad. Wilson SO i understand why this

1468
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 2: man is sitting here, saying Like, aaron thank, you but

1469
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 2: no thank. You we gotta move. On and he's trying

1470
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:41,519
Speaker 2: to get this core of guys who everybody follows in

1471
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:43,760
Speaker 2: that locker room to believe that they can win In New,

1472
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 2: york that it is. Possible and if we go with

1473
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 2: the mantra and have this, philosophy if we're gonna be, tough,

1474
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:53,479
Speaker 2: resilient kick, ass we're gonna play out brand football that travels. Well.

1475
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 2: RIGHT i said this, before and not to be. Redundant

1476
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 2: The jets were two and five on the road last.

1477
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:01,639
Speaker 2: Year The Buffer, bills who went to THE Afc, championship

1478
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:04,920
Speaker 2: there were five and, four meaning they have a certain.

1479
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:09,959
Speaker 2: Brand What Aaron glynn is trying to reciprocate is, tough, resilient,

1480
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:13,679
Speaker 2: violent efficient football that travels from stadium in the. Stadium

1481
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 2: good teams win on the. Road so he has to

1482
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 2: get this team to win at home and be able

1483
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:20,280
Speaker 2: to take that mindset in that brand and win on the.

1484
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 2: Road he has no time For, Fields he has no

1485
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:25,639
Speaker 2: time to deal with a. Quarterback tell, him, hey, MAN

1486
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:27,880
Speaker 2: i may have other commitments in the. Offseason we'll see

1487
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:30,200
Speaker 2: how this. Goes are you kidding? Me at what? Time

1488
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:33,760
Speaker 2: what time DO i have to acknowledge that because you

1489
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:36,200
Speaker 2: have other, commitments you have other things going on in your.

1490
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:39,599
Speaker 2: LIFE i now have to wait in limbo to see

1491
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:41,639
Speaker 2: if you want to be a jet quarterback or even

1492
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:44,240
Speaker 2: if you want to play. FOOTBALL i was totally on

1493
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 2: board What Aaron glynn. Did he, GOES i gotta move.

1494
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:48,720
Speaker 2: FORWARD i got this young core, GUYS i got this

1495
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 2: young locker. ROOM i got a shock life back into

1496
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 2: AND i gotta get back to playing winning. Football by the,

1497
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:58,240
Speaker 2: way we got Justin, fields who we don't know what

1498
01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 2: he's going to be like ALL i know foreign too

1499
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 2: with The. Steelers they set him on a bitch and

1500
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 2: it was. Over SO i gotta figure out where this

1501
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:07,559
Speaker 2: kiss has, that what can he? Do what he can't?

1502
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:09,840
Speaker 2: Do and can he lead my? Offense AND i gotta

1503
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 2: get this defense being a kick, ass get this defense

1504
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:14,080
Speaker 2: going to be you, know get him back to being

1505
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 2: a kick ass. Defense SO i JUST i, THOUGHT i

1506
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:19,160
Speaker 2: think so much was made up, of, like, oh how

1507
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:22,880
Speaker 2: dare he Treat Anon rodgers like? That? Please when your

1508
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 2: house is on, fire that's the last, thing that's the

1509
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:27,280
Speaker 2: last thing you were. About how you somebody's. Feelings you

1510
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:28,240
Speaker 2: try to take this fire.

1511
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:39,799
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Speaker 1: Channel i've been to a lot Of niner practices When

1521
01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 1: sala was the, coordinator and obviously everyone likes. Him these

1522
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:26,160
Speaker 1: people have good things to say about the, guy but

1523
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:28,639
Speaker 1: as a, coach it felt is it fair to? Say

1524
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 1: was it him being? Overwhelmed was it the? Organization obviously

1525
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:35,080
Speaker 1: they had moving. Parts one owner hires and the other

1526
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 1: guy comes back from? Overseas, like why is it gonna

1527
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 1: be different Because Aaron, glenn same type. Deal everyone loves the.

1528
01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:44,040
Speaker 1: Guy you, know it's a really impressive, guy unique, career great,

1529
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:47,360
Speaker 1: player awesome Coach Dan campbell swears by, him and they

1530
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:49,880
Speaker 1: turned around The. Lions, HELL i mean he won a

1531
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:53,719
Speaker 1: game week whatever it was eighteen with me on. Defense

1532
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:56,840
Speaker 1: it was crazy that they won that. Game so but it's,

1533
01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:58,840
Speaker 1: like it's this is a hard job, because like you,

1534
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:02,639
Speaker 1: said a lot of high priced future, players but they've

1535
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 1: already been the. League now they start calling pi's on Sass,

1536
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 1: gardner he might not be an all pro. Anymore you,

1537
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 1: know it's like it's it's a. Difficult why is this

1538
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:16,080
Speaker 1: gonna be different For Aaron glenn who feels like everyone's rooting.

1539
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:18,160
Speaker 2: For, WELL i think everybody's rooting for him because they

1540
01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:20,439
Speaker 2: feel Like they've been watching a nightmare for the last four, years,

1541
01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:23,280
Speaker 2: dealink starting With Zach wilson all the way up To Aaron,

1542
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:27,400
Speaker 2: rodgers nothing has. Transpired AND i think when you talk

1543
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:30,760
Speaker 2: About Aaron, glenn the fact that he is coming from

1544
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 2: this parcels, tree, right and on top of, that he

1545
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:37,559
Speaker 2: was In detroit and has shown his ability to not

1546
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 2: only coach amazing football, players but coach guys who, Like,

1547
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:43,479
Speaker 2: man you, KNOW i don't know who this guy, is

1548
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 2: but they're winning a football, Game like The detroit lines

1549
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 2: were decimated with injuries last year and they were competing

1550
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:52,880
Speaker 2: in battling their tails. Off and SO i think people

1551
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 2: are rooting For Aaron glenn because not only is he

1552
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:59,559
Speaker 2: a guy who knows the organization and knows everything About New.

1553
01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:02,160
Speaker 2: YORK i think people just want to see The jets

1554
01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:05,280
Speaker 2: get out of this kind of purgatory they've been living, in,

1555
01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:07,680
Speaker 2: right and they want a coach who can flat out

1556
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:11,000
Speaker 2: motivate these, guys drive these, guys and believe in these,

1557
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:13,040
Speaker 2: guys and get these guys to believe in. Themselves Because

1558
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:19,680
Speaker 2: john doing the pre and posts is. Fun but what

1559
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:22,839
Speaker 2: breaks me And bart's, eyes, man is when they interview

1560
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:25,720
Speaker 2: At Brest hall when they interview With Garrett, wilson and

1561
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:28,840
Speaker 2: when they interview some of these other, guys and the

1562
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:32,160
Speaker 2: fire is dimming in their, eyes like you can see

1563
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:36,639
Speaker 2: the fire the why the one two gets it gets

1564
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:40,040
Speaker 2: darker and darker and, darker because they were told once

1565
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:42,760
Speaker 2: we Got Aaron rodgers that one piece way out of

1566
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 2: here baby playoffs and maybe we can make. It that's

1567
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:48,320
Speaker 2: how they. Believe everybody believed. It so WHEN i See

1568
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 2: Brece hallman who came off IN acl can't find himself

1569
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 2: in the, offense looks, defeated not even looking to the,

1570
01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:58,280
Speaker 2: camera just kind of have the start, offs you, know

1571
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:01,000
Speaker 2: this kind of far. Off WHEN i look At Quentin

1572
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:03,200
Speaker 2: williams and he just kind, of you, know give you the,

1573
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:06,759
Speaker 2: whole this whole rigor remo, like AND i See garrett

1574
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:09,720
Speaker 2: was to look internally frustrated externally he doesn't want to

1575
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:12,080
Speaker 2: be a distraction of, callers any Trumble like you just

1576
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:13,680
Speaker 2: start seeing this from guys, who you, know if they

1577
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:16,720
Speaker 2: were in other, places they are kicking ass and they are.

1578
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:19,360
Speaker 2: Stars but because they're In New, york because they haven't

1579
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:21,599
Speaker 2: been able to, win and they've been having to deal

1580
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:23,479
Speaker 2: with the pressure and everything that comes along with being a.

1581
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:26,080
Speaker 2: Jet they just they're starting to clam up and they're.

1582
01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:29,080
Speaker 2: Coming they're starting to look small ON, tv and that's

1583
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 2: heartbreaking because they're all damn good football players who are

1584
01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:36,599
Speaker 2: also damn good, people and, football when you don't, win.

1585
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:39,920
Speaker 2: Sucks it makes it. Harder SO i Think Aaron glenn

1586
01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:44,360
Speaker 2: right now understand that understands that haven't been a, player a,

1587
01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:47,439
Speaker 2: coach and now a head. COACH i think he's, like all,

1588
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:49,559
Speaker 2: RIGHT i gotta get these. GUYS i got to get

1589
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:52,040
Speaker 2: them back feasting. Again and SO i Think aaron can

1590
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:54,320
Speaker 2: do it because he has a philosophy and he knows

1591
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:55,160
Speaker 2: a brand of football that.

1592
01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:57,200
Speaker 1: Wins did you Think rex had a chance of the.

1593
01:16:57,280 --> 01:17:00,720
Speaker 2: JOB i. DID i. DID i thought the media was

1594
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:03,200
Speaker 2: pushing for. HIM i was pushing for. HIM i Thought

1595
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 2: rex was somebody who was going to come in and

1596
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:09,320
Speaker 2: had some time away from the game to kind of reset.

1597
01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:12,600
Speaker 2: Himself and with the defensive pieces we, had you, Know

1598
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:15,840
Speaker 2: rex is a is A he's a. GENIUS i don't

1599
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:17,479
Speaker 2: know how to explain any more than. THAT i know it's,

1600
01:17:17,479 --> 01:17:20,080
Speaker 2: simplistic BUT i think he's he's a genius when it

1601
01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:22,800
Speaker 2: comes to defensive, football AND i thought one of the

1602
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:24,320
Speaker 2: things that we're going to do different if they was

1603
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:27,880
Speaker 2: going to Hire rex was not bringing his, guys but

1604
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:30,639
Speaker 2: bringing qualified guys to Compliment. Rex you get What i'm.

1605
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:33,200
Speaker 2: Saying AND i Think rex comes with his own, guys

1606
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:35,920
Speaker 2: AND i don't necessarily think those guys Helped. REX i

1607
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:40,000
Speaker 2: Think rex's biggest issues he's he's loyal to a. FAULT

1608
01:17:40,439 --> 01:17:42,040
Speaker 2: i think they won't have to bring into some guys

1609
01:17:42,040 --> 01:17:44,320
Speaker 2: that kind of Help rex Be rex and let that

1610
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:46,519
Speaker 2: defense kind of you go back to what you, know

1611
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:48,040
Speaker 2: the defenses that we love The rex.

1612
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:51,240
Speaker 1: Coach obviously you get to be around. It, Really i'll

1613
01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:53,799
Speaker 1: get you out here here in a second pretty. Closely

1614
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:56,160
Speaker 1: but do you ever miss just playing and just like

1615
01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:58,760
Speaker 1: driving some dude back and score and touchdown.

1616
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 2: Every year when they cut the. Grass Around june And,

1617
01:18:01,320 --> 01:18:03,840
Speaker 2: JULY i still have that eternal. CLOCK i don't know

1618
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:06,560
Speaker 2: if every other ballplayer has, it but Around june And,

1619
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:10,120
Speaker 2: joe excuse, me Around june And, july doesn't matter what's

1620
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:14,280
Speaker 2: going on in my life, personally there's a. Clock there's

1621
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:16,200
Speaker 2: a sense of. ANXIETY i start to get Where i'm

1622
01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 2: LIKE i should be, TRAINING i should be getting ready

1623
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:21,280
Speaker 2: for the season LIKE i. SHOULD i still LIKE i

1624
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:23,840
Speaker 2: Sometimes i'll get up in the morning And i'll just

1625
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 2: go run BECAUSE i JUST i feel like my body

1626
01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:28,720
Speaker 2: is like. Preparing it's so used to preparing for the,

1627
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:31,439
Speaker 2: season so used to getting up and grinding and kind

1628
01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:34,600
Speaker 2: of getting after. IT i definitely miss, it without a.

1629
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:39,400
Speaker 2: DOUBT i just miss just that me versus me mentality every.

1630
01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:42,479
Speaker 2: Day you, know the camaraderie is. Awesome, sure rolling out

1631
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:45,360
Speaker 2: there with your helmet feeling, good skipping, around you, know banging.

1632
01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 2: Heads oh that's that's. Good but just the intimacy of

1633
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:50,599
Speaker 2: FOOTBALL i definitely, miss.

1634
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:53,120
Speaker 1: You, know like a still photo of Like Tiger, woods

1635
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 1: there's like ten thousand people around, Him, LIKE i don't

1636
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:57,800
Speaker 1: even think he notices any of these. People as a,

1637
01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:01,600
Speaker 1: player when you're LIKE afc cham your, Game, pats do

1638
01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:03,800
Speaker 1: you even hear are you just so dialed? In like

1639
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:06,200
Speaker 1: who's over you and the play and your? Assignment do

1640
01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:08,479
Speaker 1: you even know what's going on around you beside like

1641
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:11,519
Speaker 1: the play in terms of the eighty thousand people in the,

1642
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:13,800
Speaker 1: Building like do you feel that when you're playing or

1643
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:15,160
Speaker 1: are you just so dialed once it's?

1644
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:19,840
Speaker 2: Rolling, Man i've been asked that question, Before and the

1645
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:22,280
Speaker 2: only WAY i can explain it is the louder it,

1646
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:25,920
Speaker 2: is the QUIETER i, become and the quiet it sounds to.

1647
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:28,960
Speaker 2: ME i only it only gets loud when less people

1648
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:30,880
Speaker 2: are in the. Building AND i don't, KNOW i don't

1649
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:34,479
Speaker 2: know why that makes. Sense but you, Know i've played In,

1650
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:39,320
Speaker 2: baltimore in the height Of baltimore Where ray like when

1651
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:41,640
Speaker 2: it was the like The legion Of. Doom, YEAH i

1652
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:45,640
Speaker 2: played All i've. Seen i've played in the stadiums where like,

1653
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:48,519
Speaker 2: man you, know the walls Of jericho coming down and

1654
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:53,000
Speaker 2: the place is. Shaking And i've always had be me

1655
01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:55,000
Speaker 2: AND i know a couple of my other, players my,

1656
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 2: ball my, teammates excuse, me always had this surreal feeling

1657
01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:00,519
Speaker 2: of just kind of staying. Here what none of this

1658
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:02,320
Speaker 2: you just don't, Hear like you just don't. Hear you

1659
01:20:02,439 --> 01:20:05,360
Speaker 2: just kind of locked. In And i'm still able to

1660
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:07,040
Speaker 2: make the CALLS i need to make on the. Line

1661
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:08,880
Speaker 2: i'm still able to say talking enough ship to the

1662
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:11,880
Speaker 2: PERSON i want to talk. TO i can steal all.

1663
01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:13,800
Speaker 2: That but when you look at it from A tv,

1664
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 2: copy it sounds like an earthquake is going. On. RIGHT

1665
01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:20,559
Speaker 2: i set through that, like you, know so it's it's it's.

1666
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:23,960
Speaker 1: Wild was that tailbone injury the most pain you ever played?

1667
01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:28,360
Speaker 2: Through? Oh hell, no my, Last, No my. My the

1668
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:30,719
Speaker 2: tailbone was fun BECAUSE i WAS i had that blue

1669
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:33,839
Speaker 2: donut and uh it WAS i got a little, empathy

1670
01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 2: a little sympathy walking around with that. Thing Uh. No

1671
01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:39,200
Speaker 2: my knee injuries were pretty tough my last couple of

1672
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:41,120
Speaker 2: years with The jets man WHERE i was bone on

1673
01:20:41,240 --> 01:20:43,559
Speaker 2: bone AND i you, KNOW i, WAS i was doing

1674
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:45,439
Speaker 2: everything to kind of stay on that field and that.

1675
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:48,240
Speaker 2: Sucked you, know just kind of trying to save my

1676
01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:50,040
Speaker 2: bullets SO i can at least go out there and

1677
01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:51,880
Speaker 2: put on a show For. Sunday that was. Rough my

1678
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:55,280
Speaker 2: knees were kicking my ass and, uh you, know just

1679
01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:57,320
Speaker 2: going through that barely being able to get out of,

1680
01:20:57,360 --> 01:21:03,240
Speaker 2: bed you, know limping around the, building you, know rehab before, practice,

1681
01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:05,920
Speaker 2: rehab after, practice. Rehab you, KNOW i was always kind

1682
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:08,280
Speaker 2: of doing anything and everything and kind of being able

1683
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:10,519
Speaker 2: to stay upright and, fight and, uh those doubt was

1684
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:12,519
Speaker 2: tough mentally and. Physically that was really tough for.

1685
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:15,760
Speaker 1: Me, well hopefully this, fall you guys will have some

1686
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:18,400
Speaker 1: more positive things to talk about after after some wins

1687
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:21,200
Speaker 1: and some excitement and fields running around the defense looking.

1688
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:23,640
Speaker 1: Good Because i'm telling you What Aaron glenn did in

1689
01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:25,920
Speaker 1: that with some of those. DUDES i, mean it was.

1690
01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:30,400
Speaker 2: Crazy but that's what's so. Impressive what's going to be

1691
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:33,160
Speaker 2: so impressive about this season Because i'm talking into existence

1692
01:21:33,160 --> 01:21:37,880
Speaker 2: AND i BELIEVE i don't know if playoffs wild card at,

1693
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:38,559
Speaker 2: least why? Not?

1694
01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:39,880
Speaker 1: Right you think they're better in The.

1695
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:44,120
Speaker 2: Pats, yeah they're better Than. PATS i believe they have

1696
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:46,920
Speaker 2: better they have a better. ROSTER i think they're just

1697
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:48,760
Speaker 2: a better. Team Like i'm not a believer In, Jake

1698
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:50,559
Speaker 2: Like Drake may was okay to, Me LIKE i. DON'T

1699
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:52,840
Speaker 2: i don't like he was okay to me coming out of.

1700
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:54,519
Speaker 2: College he was okay to me last, Year LIKE i.

1701
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:56,719
Speaker 2: Don't nothing really kind of shook me up to, believe

1702
01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:58,439
Speaker 2: like this guy, is like oh, wow watch out.

1703
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:01,680
Speaker 1: Him caleb made a lot of plays when they were

1704
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:04,360
Speaker 1: down twenty, nothing the game didn't. Matter both those two.

1705
01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:06,360
Speaker 1: Guys they got a lot of, talent but they made

1706
01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:07,719
Speaker 1: a lot of plays when the game didn't.

1707
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:11,240
Speaker 2: Matter, Yeah LIKE I i WATCHED i Watched, drake like

1708
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:14,200
Speaker 2: he can Make like obviously there's a lot to his

1709
01:22:14,280 --> 01:22:17,200
Speaker 2: game from an athletics, standpoint give him, that but like

1710
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:19,400
Speaker 2: he didn't wow. ME i wasn't, like oh, shit like

1711
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:21,719
Speaker 2: here he, comes he comes the future of The. PATS

1712
01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:23,760
Speaker 2: i was just, Like, okay It's Drake. May now you can.

1713
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:25,640
Speaker 2: Change you, know the game may slow down from. Him

1714
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:28,160
Speaker 2: they Got Will campbell. That you, know they've added some more,

1715
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:31,000
Speaker 2: Pieces BUT i always thought the pass defense for it. Hard,

1716
01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:33,400
Speaker 2: yeah week after week they're just gonna put no points on.

1717
01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:35,439
Speaker 1: The board In miami's and.

1718
01:22:35,439 --> 01:22:38,040
Speaker 2: Shambles so do you really didn't.

1719
01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:40,320
Speaker 1: SHAMBLES i think they're gonna be pretty BOD i mean

1720
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:41,680
Speaker 1: when the coach comes out at the end of the

1721
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:44,080
Speaker 1: year and, says, yeah we're finding guys they just don't

1722
01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:46,639
Speaker 1: show up on, Time it's like they don't they don't

1723
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:48,040
Speaker 1: respect that guy at.

1724
01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:51,920
Speaker 2: All that's Why I'm i'm out on.

1725
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:54,360
Speaker 1: Them when WHEN i heard, that and he was being,

1726
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:56,240
Speaker 1: Honest he's, LIKE i don't even think money. Works it's,

1727
01:22:56,280 --> 01:22:58,360
Speaker 1: like can you imagine showing up late to A tomlin

1728
01:22:58,439 --> 01:23:00,800
Speaker 1: Or rex? MEETING i, mean out of, respect no, Chance

1729
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:03,400
Speaker 1: it's not about the. Money you don't do that in any.

1730
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:05,559
Speaker 1: Industry if you respect the, guy you're working for so

1731
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:09,080
Speaker 1: to me in, trouble this is Why i'm.

1732
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:13,559
Speaker 2: Nervous for the for the core of football because last,

1733
01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:17,640
Speaker 2: YEAR i don't maybe you know his, name who's the

1734
01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:20,040
Speaker 2: linebacker for The niners that wentn't go in the game

1735
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:21,120
Speaker 2: when they needed to go in the.

1736
01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:25,559
Speaker 1: Game Devondre. CAMPBELL i couldn't fathom.

1737
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:28,640
Speaker 2: THAT i couldn't. Fathom it doesn't matter how MAD i

1738
01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:32,200
Speaker 2: was at my, position, coach my my current station within the.

1739
01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:36,600
Speaker 2: Team when your numbers, call you gotta go and respond.

1740
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:40,599
Speaker 2: Right the emotions, Aside it's always been about playing your

1741
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:43,160
Speaker 2: best for either the name in the back of your,

1742
01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:47,000
Speaker 2: jersey the symbol in, front and for your. Brother that's

1743
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:49,720
Speaker 2: always been the holy trinity as a football, player to

1744
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:54,240
Speaker 2: tell your coach no for whatever reason and live. Action

1745
01:23:56,120 --> 01:23:58,680
Speaker 2: that for me was like football is going in there

1746
01:23:58,760 --> 01:23:59,840
Speaker 2: And i'm telling you.

1747
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 1: You just say. No, well he walked in locker, ROOM

1748
01:24:01,479 --> 01:24:01,760
Speaker 1: i think he.

1749
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:06,439
Speaker 2: Left hef and this Isn't this isn't like a av.

1750
01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:08,679
Speaker 2: Moment When ab took off his, jersey it was, like, yeah,

1751
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:11,640
Speaker 2: right LIKE ab has. This we know there's a lot.

1752
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:15,840
Speaker 2: Goes this isn't like A vantae, days Got wrest Of

1753
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:18,560
Speaker 2: soul who's, like, No I'm i'm leaving Because i'm. Retiring

1754
01:24:19,479 --> 01:24:21,760
Speaker 2: this guy didn't want to. Play he told him no

1755
01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:26,479
Speaker 2: and left the. Field And i'm saying to, Myself, wow

1756
01:24:27,439 --> 01:24:29,360
Speaker 2: LIKE i THOUGHT i would never see, That like to

1757
01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:31,560
Speaker 2: wave coaches off solely because you just don't want to

1758
01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:34,240
Speaker 2: play anymore because you have your reasons like. That that

1759
01:24:34,439 --> 01:24:37,000
Speaker 2: just did that Don't that Didn't from HOW i was

1760
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:39,559
Speaker 2: brought up in this game and the, people that just doesn't.

1761
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:42,519
Speaker 2: Happen And i've had guys have legitimate reasons for not,

1762
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:44,840
Speaker 2: playing but they should walk their tails out there and

1763
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:46,920
Speaker 2: play the game and then whatever issues they had to

1764
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:49,040
Speaker 2: dealt with behind the. Curtain but to say no and

1765
01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:53,879
Speaker 2: leave your brothers high and, dry that's NOT i just it's.

1766
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:55,479
Speaker 2: Tough but then when you look at N I l

1767
01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:58,680
Speaker 2: and these guys are not paid or if they don't

1768
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:00,519
Speaker 2: feel like they you, know if you've been or sit

1769
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:03,599
Speaker 2: him all, Right i'm out of. Here where we're going

1770
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:05,519
Speaker 2: To we're going in the wrong. Direction to.

1771
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:07,599
Speaker 1: Me The campbell thing a little bit of an outwire

1772
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:10,080
Speaker 1: because he was an older player and the entire team

1773
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:12,400
Speaker 1: turned on him and it was, like get this guy out.

1774
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:14,600
Speaker 1: Here they cut him, immediately it wasn't, like, yeah he

1775
01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:16,360
Speaker 1: kind of had a, point like everyone thought he was.

1776
01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:20,400
Speaker 1: Crazy to me that The Anthy richardson thing is one

1777
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:23,880
Speaker 1: of the craziest things in league, history you. Know but but,

1778
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:27,120
Speaker 1: again like what gives me hope as just a football

1779
01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:30,439
Speaker 1: fan for forty years is the entire team also turned on,

1780
01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:32,160
Speaker 1: him and it was, like we gotta sit this guy,

1781
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:34,320
Speaker 1: down you gotta bench. Him SO i do think the.

1782
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:36,680
Speaker 1: Culture but the more and more this stuff seeps in

1783
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:39,000
Speaker 1: turns into two does it turn into ten, guys it's

1784
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:41,679
Speaker 1: turn into fifty? Guys makes you a little.

1785
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:45,600
Speaker 2: Nervous, Well i'm the reason Why i'm nervous BECAUSE.

1786
01:25:45,320 --> 01:25:47,439
Speaker 1: I, think like The anthony, richmsond you agree that that

1787
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:48,800
Speaker 1: was one of the craziest things you've ever.

1788
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:51,080
Speaker 2: Seen, yeah that was. NUTS i didn't think that was,

1789
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:53,439
Speaker 2: possible which was wild BECAUSE i had SAW i had

1790
01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:57,120
Speaker 2: went down To florida AND i watched him play Against South.

1791
01:25:57,160 --> 01:26:00,639
Speaker 2: Carolina it was him And Spencer ratley going at each,

1792
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:02,880
Speaker 2: other and he was like the most in shape human

1793
01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:04,720
Speaker 2: Being i've ever seen in my. Life like we were

1794
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:06,800
Speaker 2: down A florida in ninety, five a free, weather and

1795
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:08,519
Speaker 2: he was running up and down the field like a mad.

1796
01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:10,640
Speaker 2: Mess i'm, like so that so that, that you, KNOW

1797
01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:12,000
Speaker 2: i don't know if he took like a red bull

1798
01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:12,639
Speaker 2: that kind of sped.

1799
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:13,120
Speaker 1: Up it was hard too.

1800
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:15,599
Speaker 2: MUCH i don't. Know it was insane to. See but

1801
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:20,080
Speaker 2: to fast, forward you, KNOW i talked about playing for

1802
01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:22,040
Speaker 2: the jersey and playing for your brother and all the other.

1803
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:25,439
Speaker 2: Stuff now when you see these kids like just tap

1804
01:26:25,479 --> 01:26:29,400
Speaker 2: out on a whole, program like you, know tap out

1805
01:26:29,479 --> 01:26:32,320
Speaker 2: and just leave for the sake of because they feel

1806
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:36,240
Speaker 2: like they're not being treated. Right, yeah it's just wild.

1807
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:39,400
Speaker 2: Man it's just LIKE i don't understand, where, like, listen

1808
01:26:39,439 --> 01:26:43,759
Speaker 2: people put their kids in sports to pull the essence

1809
01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:47,360
Speaker 2: of what it means to playing the, sports like hard, work, perseverance,

1810
01:26:47,479 --> 01:26:50,599
Speaker 2: responsibility where like those little. Nuances that's what we put

1811
01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:52,640
Speaker 2: our kids in sports so they can retract that and

1812
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:54,720
Speaker 2: hopefully if they're not able to play professional, sports they

1813
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:56,840
Speaker 2: could take it into their work life and have that

1814
01:26:56,960 --> 01:26:59,799
Speaker 2: on a part of their. Foundation but that's being threatened

1815
01:26:59,880 --> 01:27:01,559
Speaker 2: now because these kids are, saying, hey IF i don't

1816
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:03,479
Speaker 2: get it my, Way i'm out of. Here and now

1817
01:27:03,479 --> 01:27:06,479
Speaker 2: we're starting to see guys tap because either they neither

1818
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:09,679
Speaker 2: shape or they just don't want to, play and there's

1819
01:27:09,720 --> 01:27:13,080
Speaker 2: a correlation, there AND i hate, it, man because whether

1820
01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:15,879
Speaker 2: we like it or, not we are walking role models

1821
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:18,320
Speaker 2: and a walking brand for how sports it should be.

1822
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:20,800
Speaker 2: Played and we try to do our best as ballplayers

1823
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:23,240
Speaker 2: to represent. That and when we kind of fall out of,

1824
01:27:23,240 --> 01:27:25,719
Speaker 2: that it's, like you, know.

1825
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:29,320
Speaker 1: One THING i do wonder like like anything With Aaron,

1826
01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:32,000
Speaker 1: Rodgers like that's On aaron no agent or. Whatever but

1827
01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:35,040
Speaker 1: Like nico the kid At, tennessee clearly his dad and

1828
01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:37,720
Speaker 1: all these guys now have so many people involved in

1829
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:41,000
Speaker 1: their life eighteen, nineteen twenty years, OLD i mean clearly

1830
01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:44,160
Speaker 1: awful financial. Decision you're At, tennessee which is basically THE nfl,

1831
01:27:44,240 --> 01:27:46,840
Speaker 1: light you're making over two million. Dollars you go TO,

1832
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:49,559
Speaker 1: ucla which is a shitty program in twenty twenty.

1833
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:51,840
Speaker 2: Five reund his brother was a year, before like what

1834
01:27:51,880 --> 01:27:52,120
Speaker 2: are you?

1835
01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:54,880
Speaker 1: Doing but but it's like is that his decision or

1836
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:56,680
Speaker 1: is like his dad says you're getting, screwed and this

1837
01:27:56,720 --> 01:27:58,880
Speaker 1: other guy says he's getting. Screwed you got all these

1838
01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:01,559
Speaker 1: people in the cookie jaw are and it's just all

1839
01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:04,080
Speaker 1: out of. Whack, which, LISTEN i got no problem with

1840
01:28:04,120 --> 01:28:07,000
Speaker 1: anyone making, money but clearly something is it's just off.

1841
01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:09,760
Speaker 2: Kilter you, KNOW a lot of the, Issue john is

1842
01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:12,280
Speaker 2: a lot of these guys who are receiving this money

1843
01:28:13,680 --> 01:28:15,679
Speaker 2: AND i don't even know how. MUCH i, mean there's

1844
01:28:15,960 --> 01:28:17,960
Speaker 2: some of the Numbers i've heard IS i think guys

1845
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:19,800
Speaker 2: making twenty k a month or something like. That it's,

1846
01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:24,280
Speaker 2: like it's. Nuts the people around them are just sucking them.

1847
01:28:24,360 --> 01:28:27,400
Speaker 2: Dry like An ato does not know what to do

1848
01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:31,080
Speaker 2: with twenty k a, month, Right like all he knows

1849
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:34,559
Speaker 2: is all, Right i'm some, cars some, money some put some,

1850
01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:36,760
Speaker 2: away give some the mom and the time you. Look

1851
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:39,360
Speaker 2: and on top of there's a finding whoever's helping you

1852
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:42,559
Speaker 2: ship your tape around or get you to different. Schools you,

1853
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:44,680
Speaker 2: know there's a finders. Feed you got these kids got to.

1854
01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:48,160
Speaker 2: Pay and so there's there's just some of these, kids,

1855
01:28:48,160 --> 01:28:50,960
Speaker 2: man there's Getting they're getting sucked. Dry and it's not.

1856
01:28:51,240 --> 01:28:53,479
Speaker 2: All it's not cute and a lot of these GET

1857
01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:55,080
Speaker 2: a lot of these kids are suffering from. It AND

1858
01:28:55,520 --> 01:28:57,160
Speaker 2: i know BECAUSE i HAVE i know a lot of

1859
01:28:57,200 --> 01:28:59,719
Speaker 2: coaches who are in college and they're, like, man it's,

1860
01:28:59,800 --> 01:29:02,360
Speaker 2: tough and what's. Crazy THE d one double a is

1861
01:29:02,360 --> 01:29:07,120
Speaker 2: WHERE i came. From they can't give a, Kid, no they.

1862
01:29:07,200 --> 01:29:09,000
Speaker 2: Can't they will have the bait to do any of

1863
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:11,439
Speaker 2: What alabama. House they will. Texts they don't think they're

1864
01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:14,799
Speaker 2: they're the big schools are taking their bottom, feeders bumping

1865
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:16,720
Speaker 2: them up just so they can fill a. Roster and

1866
01:29:16,760 --> 01:29:18,840
Speaker 2: THESE d ONE d one DOUBLE a programs are just

1867
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:21,560
Speaker 2: dealing with whatever they can wrap, up you, know and

1868
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:24,120
Speaker 2: hopefully give a little. Change and they're pulling from the

1869
01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:27,519
Speaker 2: division underneath. Them so it's a it's a weird time

1870
01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:28,320
Speaker 2: we're in right. Now.

1871
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:30,439
Speaker 1: YEAH i think a lot of these guys make decisions

1872
01:29:30,439 --> 01:29:33,120
Speaker 1: based on LIKE i, mean you have been flow throughout your.

1873
01:29:33,160 --> 01:29:35,840
Speaker 1: Career you, know in the spring practice goes, bad then

1874
01:29:35,840 --> 01:29:38,280
Speaker 1: the next one goes. Good but the, EMOTIONS i, mean

1875
01:29:38,320 --> 01:29:41,040
Speaker 1: when you're, young you have no emotional control and you

1876
01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:43,280
Speaker 1: look back like you would have been better. Off most

1877
01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:44,559
Speaker 1: of you guys are not going to play in THE,

1878
01:29:44,640 --> 01:29:46,840
Speaker 1: nfl and if you, do a lot of your careers

1879
01:29:46,840 --> 01:29:48,160
Speaker 1: are going to be. Short but if you had played

1880
01:29:48,160 --> 01:29:50,719
Speaker 1: your whole career At, tennessee At Ohio, state AT usc

1881
01:29:51,160 --> 01:29:53,160
Speaker 1: that's gonna benefit you for the next fifty. Years but

1882
01:29:53,160 --> 01:29:55,800
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you've played at four different, Programs it's,

1883
01:29:55,880 --> 01:29:57,080
Speaker 1: like who's even claiming?

1884
01:29:57,120 --> 01:29:57,160
Speaker 4: You?

1885
01:29:57,720 --> 01:30:00,280
Speaker 2: Right BUT i also think anytime you have this a

1886
01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:03,680
Speaker 2: conversation openly and, publicly people think, like, oh they don't

1887
01:30:03,680 --> 01:30:05,400
Speaker 2: want the guys get. Paid we're not saying that at.

1888
01:30:05,439 --> 01:30:07,640
Speaker 2: ALL i want to guys to get paid a lot of.

1889
01:30:07,680 --> 01:30:09,720
Speaker 2: Money BUT i also If i'm sending my son to

1890
01:30:09,800 --> 01:30:12,479
Speaker 2: The university Of tennessee and he calls me and, says, Hey,

1891
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:15,320
Speaker 2: Dad i'm not starting this. FALL i got beat, out

1892
01:30:15,479 --> 01:30:17,080
Speaker 2: And i'm, like all, right, Son well we got to

1893
01:30:17,080 --> 01:30:18,479
Speaker 2: figure out how we can get you in the. Field,

1894
01:30:18,680 --> 01:30:21,040
Speaker 2: like for, instance WHEN i got To, HOFSTRA i THOUGHT

1895
01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:23,439
Speaker 2: i was gonna start at nose. Tackle they got another kid.

1896
01:30:23,479 --> 01:30:26,920
Speaker 2: In we battled it out, CAMP i lost set out that.

1897
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:30,320
Speaker 2: Fall springtime came, around they, said, hey will you have

1898
01:30:30,360 --> 01:30:33,439
Speaker 2: an opportunity to either go to offensive line or still

1899
01:30:33,479 --> 01:30:35,280
Speaker 2: ON d line and ballot it out? Again AND i was,

1900
01:30:35,320 --> 01:30:38,519
Speaker 2: LIKE i Can and this was my exact. WORDS i

1901
01:30:38,560 --> 01:30:41,559
Speaker 2: cannot go through the fear of going sitting on the

1902
01:30:41,560 --> 01:30:44,479
Speaker 2: bench again and having my parents sit behind me and

1903
01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:47,559
Speaker 2: watch me sit in the. Bench i'd rather suck at

1904
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:51,280
Speaker 2: offensive line and be on the field battling than sitting

1905
01:30:51,320 --> 01:30:53,760
Speaker 2: here holding my, helmet just waiting for an opportunity to get.

1906
01:30:53,800 --> 01:30:56,240
Speaker 2: In SO i went to offensive, line and it was

1907
01:30:56,320 --> 01:30:59,640
Speaker 2: obviously the best DECISION i, Made but, nevertheless for me

1908
01:31:00,120 --> 01:31:02,759
Speaker 2: and HOW i was, BUILT i got to, COMPETE i gotta,

1909
01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:05,000
Speaker 2: play AND i wasn't looking the way. OUT i was

1910
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:07,200
Speaker 2: just merely wanted to play For hoster and be the

1911
01:31:07,240 --> 01:31:09,479
Speaker 2: BEST i could be For. Hobster and at that point

1912
01:31:09,479 --> 01:31:11,439
Speaker 2: you didn't matter on the defensive, line officer. LINE i

1913
01:31:11,479 --> 01:31:12,920
Speaker 2: had to get on the, Field but.

1914
01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:15,080
Speaker 1: You would have been a good example of like word

1915
01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:17,160
Speaker 1: would have got out That hofstra has this guy that's

1916
01:31:17,200 --> 01:31:19,599
Speaker 1: probably gonna get drafted going into your junior or senior,

1917
01:31:19,720 --> 01:31:22,800
Speaker 1: year That Rutgers, maryland even if it's Not Ohio state or,

1918
01:31:22,840 --> 01:31:26,280
Speaker 1: whatever other bigger programs would have called, you and it's, like, Hey, willie,

1919
01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:28,639
Speaker 1: uh let's just, say you, know we got two hundred,

1920
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:31,240
Speaker 1: grand you want to come play At? Maryland what will

1921
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:33,480
Speaker 1: the club's probably there right hands.

1922
01:31:33,240 --> 01:31:36,480
Speaker 2: Down i'm, yeah, YEAH i MEAN I.

1923
01:31:36,680 --> 01:31:38,639
Speaker 1: And who, knows then maybe you end up going second, round,

1924
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:41,559
Speaker 1: right it could benefit your. Career BUT i ALSO i

1925
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:43,640
Speaker 1: never have a problem guys going up to me The

1926
01:31:43,640 --> 01:31:46,320
Speaker 1: tennessee TO ucla is, like what are we? DOING i.

1927
01:31:46,360 --> 01:31:48,920
Speaker 2: Don't i'm with, You, LIKE i understand mo money being the.

1928
01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:51,519
Speaker 2: MOTIVATION i understand that. Aspect but WHEN i look at

1929
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:55,200
Speaker 2: how my career, went IF i didn't have my office

1930
01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:58,799
Speaker 2: line Coach Damien, rabluski and if he didn't put everything

1931
01:31:58,840 --> 01:32:00,760
Speaker 2: he had that to me and teaching me what it

1932
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:02,519
Speaker 2: means to be an office alignment and how to play the,

1933
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:04,920
Speaker 2: GAME i don't know IF i would have had that

1934
01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:08,599
Speaker 2: same type of investment from a guy who was At rutgers, right,

1935
01:32:08,720 --> 01:32:11,080
Speaker 2: LIKE i. DON'T i don't, Know, like, well they're paying,

1936
01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:13,679
Speaker 2: you they got to invest in. You but if they're

1937
01:32:13,720 --> 01:32:15,760
Speaker 2: giving out that type of, money if you don't make it,

1938
01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:17,599
Speaker 2: out if you don't pan out right, away they're gonna

1939
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:20,280
Speaker 2: give it to somebody. Else so it's like it really

1940
01:32:20,320 --> 01:32:22,920
Speaker 2: takes the kid to figure out his Why AM i

1941
01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:25,000
Speaker 2: leaving solely because of the, money or AM i leaving

1942
01:32:25,080 --> 01:32:26,719
Speaker 2: BECAUSE i feel Like i'm not getting the best opportunity

1943
01:32:26,720 --> 01:32:29,720
Speaker 2: of being. Mistreated if my kid is, like, hey you,

1944
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:31,960
Speaker 2: KNOW i don't want to. LEAVE i want to figure

1945
01:32:31,960 --> 01:32:34,040
Speaker 2: it out. Here all, right let's let's do. That but

1946
01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:36,400
Speaker 2: IF i want to leave BECAUSE i feel like we had. Slided,

1947
01:32:36,439 --> 01:32:39,080
Speaker 2: well we're gonna have a hard. Conversation are you doing your?

1948
01:32:39,120 --> 01:32:41,200
Speaker 2: Best are you trying to persevere in being? Better or

1949
01:32:41,200 --> 01:32:43,160
Speaker 2: are you taking the easy way? Out because if you're

1950
01:32:43,160 --> 01:32:45,280
Speaker 2: taking an easy way, Out, SON i can't let you.

1951
01:32:45,400 --> 01:32:49,040
Speaker 1: Leave, okay WILL i took way too much of your,

1952
01:32:49,040 --> 01:32:52,719
Speaker 1: time BUT i appreciate. It and you, KNOW i would

1953
01:32:52,720 --> 01:32:55,800
Speaker 1: imagine the weather. Starting you got That northeast humidity coming

1954
01:32:55,880 --> 01:32:58,599
Speaker 1: right down the. Pika, man it's.

1955
01:32:58,439 --> 01:33:00,719
Speaker 2: Been raining the last couple of. Days it broke sunny

1956
01:33:00,760 --> 01:33:02,960
Speaker 2: and pretty, today so it's about seventy four. Degrees so it's.

1957
01:33:03,040 --> 01:33:05,439
Speaker 1: Nice you got big plans to summery doing anything.

1958
01:33:05,439 --> 01:33:08,519
Speaker 2: Fun i'll be bouncing around my. Wife we have a

1959
01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:11,639
Speaker 2: second home In, Jackson, mississippi So i'll be bouncing Between

1960
01:33:11,680 --> 01:33:14,439
Speaker 2: New jersey And, Jackson, mississippi and, uh just doing WHAT i.

1961
01:33:14,520 --> 01:33:16,600
Speaker 1: Do, yeah you think the humidity is bad in The,

1962
01:33:16,640 --> 01:33:18,639
Speaker 1: Northeast you go To, mississippi you get that sweat.

1963
01:33:18,640 --> 01:33:21,439
Speaker 2: On, Uh, john you gotta peel your POWs.

1964
01:33:21,479 --> 01:33:25,120
Speaker 1: Off, Thanks, willie take it.

1965
01:33:25,120 --> 01:33:26,200
Speaker 2: Easy always

1966
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:30,280
Speaker 1: The volume