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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's Georgia and Karen here to tell you

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Speaker 1: about a brand new limited series from blantd House with

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Speaker 1: Exactly Right Media and iHeart podcasts.

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Speaker 2: Helen Heaven is the unbelievable true story of John and

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Speaker 2: Anne Bender, a young American couple who moved to the

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Speaker 2: Costa Rican jungle with six hundred million dollars and a

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Speaker 2: plan to build their own private eden.

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Speaker 1: But what starts as a dream spirals into a nightmare,

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Speaker 1: complete with abduction plots, armed guards, uncut diamonds, and in

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Speaker 1: the end, one dead body and a mystery that's stunned

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Speaker 1: two countries.

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Speaker 2: Helen Heaven is the newest true crime podcast hosted by

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Speaker 2: award winning journalist Becky Milligan. She investigates how one perfect

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Speaker 2: couple's dream life in the jungle turned into an international

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Speaker 2: scandal and ended with a murder trial that had everyone gasping.

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Speaker 1: So stick around after this episode of My Favorite Murder

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Speaker 1: and hear the trailer for Hell in Heaven, premiering Thursday,

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Speaker 1: October ninth.

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Speaker 2: You can follow Helen Heaven now on the iHeartRadio app,

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Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 3: Goodbye, m.

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Speaker 1: What's up dinner? Wow?

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Speaker 3: Incredible work.

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Speaker 2: You guys, you.

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Speaker 1: Did incredible and that's it, right, Yeah, we're done. Hi,

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I can't believe this is happening. Oh

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Speaker 1: my god.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been a it's been a long time coming.

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Speaker 1: Been a minute. I forgot what this feels like. It's

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Speaker 1: pretty fucking awesome. You guys. Hi, how are you guys tonight?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like I should say, just as

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Speaker 2: we start, we were not going to remember our lines.

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Speaker 3: There's going to be things that you remember that we

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Speaker 3: do not remember.

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Speaker 2: It's been six years since we have been on stage. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: except for right when we came to the Bananas show

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Speaker 2: here in Denver, and we only want to perform live

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Speaker 2: in Denver.

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Speaker 3: I guess that's what we're saying.

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Speaker 4: It was just.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about your outfit, what you're wearing.

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Speaker 3: Some you're immediately moving on to outfits.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know how to do this.

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Speaker 1: Talk about your tights.

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Speaker 2: Oh, these are tights, and we made a post about this.

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Speaker 2: I just realized I would say eleven minutes ago that

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Speaker 2: I did not have any tights with me at all.

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Speaker 2: Uh So my friend Vicki and my friend Craig ran

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Speaker 2: out and bought them, like truly at the eleventh hour.

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Speaker 3: It was very scary, very mean, very mean.

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Speaker 1: We almost canceled the whole thing.

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Speaker 2: We almost had to had to just say, you know what, everybody,

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Speaker 2: go home.

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Speaker 1: I'm hot in an unhealthy way. Yeah, that's like I

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Speaker 1: don't think is okay?

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Speaker 2: But who still here is in perimenopause, menopause or post menopau.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, hell yeah, let's get angry over nothing, everybody. Now

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Speaker 1: the air conditioning's not on in the car. Oh my

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Speaker 1: fucking god.

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Speaker 3: Where'd you get your outfit? Georgia?

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Speaker 1: I got my outfit today at a vintage store here,

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Speaker 1: Paul gold Mine, Is that right? Yes' is that right?

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Speaker 1: That's right? Yeah, I went in there. I had my

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Speaker 1: I should probably just go to a vintage store real quick.

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Speaker 1: Here found this fucking insane vintage drive.

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Speaker 3: It looks like a tailor to figure.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's crazy. I'm wearing lots of undergarments. Okay, sure,

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Speaker 1: But then I steamed it and I backstage and I

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Speaker 3: Smell the ladies of the past.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a show dress, not a party dress.

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Speaker 3: What did those ladies smell like? Just describe it to

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Speaker 1: It's a dusty, musty mothball cigarette perfume martini.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, our kind of lady. That's nice.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's an incredible vintage stroke of luck.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's I want to do it every city, I think,

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Speaker 1: just not bring anything, bring jeans to wear. Yeah, just

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Speaker 3: It's so funny.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for selling it out two nights in a row,

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Speaker 1: you guys with the best. Then what do we do?

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Speaker 3: Oh I'm going to tell him about my dress now?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, go for it.

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Speaker 3: It has pockets, ladies. Is the art the spin art work?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Did you see there's where the same hot dog? Holy?

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Speaker 3: Should we got a hot dog in the front row?

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Speaker 1: No, it's all you, Yeah, it's all she should be

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Speaker 3: Wait are you from around here?

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Speaker 2: Okay, well you know how to pronounce street names and

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Speaker 2: the kind of things that people yet yell at us about.

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Speaker 1: Good.

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Speaker 2: Oh, just gonna say hot dogs fuck off?

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Speaker 3: All right, we're not having you, hot.

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Speaker 2: Dog drive us down some weird blind alley, and then

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Speaker 2: everybody on this side's furious, and everybody on this side

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Speaker 2: posts on social media, we can't do it again, hot Dog.

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Speaker 1: And at the end of it, she takes her fucking

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Speaker 1: on the way out people are gonna I'm not the

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Speaker 1: hot dog. It's like you're the fucking hot hot dog.

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Speaker 2: Shame is the worst kind of hot dog shame, the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what is this? I don't fucking know. It feels

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Speaker 1: like a fever dream. What a joy, what a joy?

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, thank you for being here. We're very,

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Speaker 2: very excited to be here. Yeah, there's been a lot

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Speaker 3: It's excite. This is the kind of stuff. Can I

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Speaker 3: just how about we share our favorite live show memories

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Speaker 3: with each other. I think we've done this on the show.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you go first, because I don't remember.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, hot Dog, You tell me. Have I told this

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Speaker 2: story already on the show. My favorite live show memory

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Speaker 2: is when and it was kind of right there, but

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Speaker 3: I think we were in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 2: I think it was. Was it Miami, It's the Growing

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Speaker 3: Oh no, I think it was the Chase Theater in Brooklyn.

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Speaker 2: Yes, when literally seven minutes into the show, an usher

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Speaker 2: and very angry usher justifiably so had to.

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Speaker 3: Walk down and snap out.

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Speaker 2: A big black glad, black glad garbage bag to start

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Speaker 3: Right at the beginning, Right at the beginning of however.

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Speaker 1: They served this like they served canned wine, right, which

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Speaker 1: is like that's testing, and then some kind of cocktail

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Speaker 1: that like surely made everyone shit faced immediately.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I so it was like a Karen and Georgia Long

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Speaker 2: island ized Sea type of situation that people got very

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Speaker 2: excited about. Right.

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Speaker 1: So we didn't technically make her throw up.

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Speaker 3: We didn't make her, but we were a big part

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Speaker 2: And that's what the legacy of this podcast will be

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Speaker 2: when we finally wrap this motherfucker up.

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Speaker 1: Oh what, this is my favorite murder of the podcast. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 2: That person over there forgot to clap and then when

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Speaker 2: I looked at them, they were like, oh that's.

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Speaker 1: For the sorry, sorry sorry. Yeah, it's kind of part

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Speaker 2: It's word with podcasts, you're just used to like hearing

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Speaker 2: us in your head like you're hallucinating a little bit,

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Speaker 2: arguing about the stuff we're getting wrong.

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Speaker 1: I thought you were the other one and she was

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's that. That's a big piece of it.

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Speaker 1: Has anyone been to a show before? A live show? Okay, great,

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Speaker 1: we're going to rely on you to tell us how

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Speaker 1: this market goes. Thank you?

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Speaker 2: Should we U?

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Speaker 3: Is it time to sit?

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Speaker 1: Should we do?

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Speaker 3: Let's do that?

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Speaker 1: Look at this? I know how mad men, aren't we?

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Speaker 5: So?

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Speaker 3: From article promo code murder.

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Speaker 1: I really needed to sit down because I need to

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Speaker 1: demurely grab tissue I tucked into my There we go

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Speaker 3: Where'd you have that? Where was that Georgia up.

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Speaker 1: In the carriage undercarriage in.

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Speaker 2: Her Kleenex undercarriage sponsored by Kleenex.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, I really thought i'd get get over this

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Speaker 3: But I think it's a great personality trip.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of the foremost personality traits.

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Speaker 1: It's a Martini dusty mothball tissue girl.

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Speaker 2: I mean, what if you were the ghost of the

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Speaker 1: I love that for me. Magical Wow, And then what

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't really want you to yell at us.

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Speaker 3: Remember I'm the bitchy one, that's right, That's right.

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Speaker 2: I was a big bitch back before it was trendy.

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Speaker 2: Remember that I was all alone with it. Now we're

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Speaker 1: Everyone's a bitch now just cutting it up all over.

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Speaker 3: The place.

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Speaker 1: As is our right, I mean, it's not as enough. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Since the last time we saw you, our rights have

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Speaker 2: been taken away, Our bodily autonomy has been taken away.

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Speaker 3: And I think by the end of this stour we

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Speaker 1: Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: In the meantime, we're just gonna have a fun podcast.

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Speaker 3: How about that?

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Speaker 1: Oh I forgot to take a beta blocker. I just remembered,

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Speaker 1: this is gonna be fun.

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Speaker 3: For that's the poor man's speedball right there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, girl, can you check in about how it feels

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Speaker 2: to be up and down at the same time?

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Speaker 1: My skin is tingling, yes for sure. And yeah I'm

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Speaker 3: Can't Yeah, I'll fail your neck.

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Speaker 1: Oh it's very hot.

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Speaker 2: That's kind of a George Foreman grill heat right there,

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Speaker 2: and not even that cool.

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Speaker 1: It's like, oh yeah, do you want to tell them

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Speaker 1: the people who haven't been here before the drag alongs

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Speaker 1: like the rules of the show.

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Speaker 2: We know you're out there, you poor poor people that

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Speaker 2: don't listen to this podcast but had to come anyway.

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Speaker 3: Tonight we call your drag alongs. We personally apologize, we do.

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Speaker 1: We understand. You're a great friend, you're a very good

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing.

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Speaker 2: If you're gonna use your camera, you can't have the

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Speaker 2: before you throw the camera up and then.

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Speaker 3: Put a big lightm fucking face.

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Speaker 2: Please don't get that usher angrier at us than he

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Speaker 3: at all.

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00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 1: I was thinking of the sieve, you know, Oh they can't.

448
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, they can't sift for gold.

449
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 1: Sieve sift. Yeah, no, pan, pan.

450
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 3: Fucking pan, ladies and gentlemen, fucking pan. We got it.

451
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 3: We still got it.

452
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:46,919
Speaker 1: We are miners. Okay. So this is what they do.

453
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:48,880
Speaker 1: They build a farm together, and as more and more

454
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 1: people start moving into the area, because those are the

455
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 1: people who made the long lasting money, the ones who

456
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: took advantage of the gold Rush people by opening businesses

457
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:02,679
Speaker 1: to sell them. Shit. Yeah right, it's what's it called capitalism?

458
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 1: Thank you, you're welcome. It's absolutely gonna say communism, thank

459
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 1: you for that. Uh okay. So they what did they do? Then?

460
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:18,400
Speaker 1: They they firm firm the business grows. In eighteen sixty three,

461
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 1: William is this a dress rehearsal? I swear to god,

462
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,959
Speaker 1: I've been studying this because I've been so nervous.

463
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 3: I literally I can't hold a thought in my mind.

464
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 3: I'm just like, we're doing it. It's happening. This isn't

465
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 3: a dress rehearsal. It's so surreal.

466
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I have notes and I'm still warm. Okay, Okay, sorry, No,

467
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 1: you're good. No, you're right. You're totally right to question me. Okay.

468
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 1: So then the mom and their kids all show up,

469
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 1: and because his family home is situated along a prominent

470
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 1: stagecoach route connecting Wyoming to Denver, the Cherokee Trail. I

471
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: don't know why I'm pointing at you. You thank you.

472
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 1: Mary and Alonso set up a tav and an inn

473
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: and that does really well. This family was also they

474
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: become like fixtures in their community after having been struggling before.

475
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 1: And at age twenty six. Oh, I have a photo

476
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: of him. He serves in the Colorado Cavalry and he

477
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: gets out and here is a photo of William Dickens.

478
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 3: What what what?

479
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 1: What? Oh? Okay?

480
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 3: All right then?

481
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 2: Right, this is from the Longmont Museum. I know this

482
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 2: is on loan from the Longmont Museum. We got to

483
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:33,360
Speaker 2: get it back to them by midnight.

484
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: It's like at first you're like what, and then you're like,

485
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah right, No, Like.

486
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 3: You see this guy in a tavern in Longmart? Yea, yeah,

487
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 3: long Mont?

488
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: What longer day?

489
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 3: Like, hello sir.

490
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 1: It can't be a lot of eligible bachelors back then

491
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 1: in general.

492
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 3: Right, No, I doubt it.

493
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,360
Speaker 2: Also, doesn't it look like he made that three piece

494
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 2: suit out of a cow twenty five minutes before he

495
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 2: took this picture.

496
00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 3: I mean you can almost see the hair on that.

497
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, they didn't have lint rollers back then. Oh you

498
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: mean the cow hair. I get it. That's funny. Not

499
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: cat hair, no cow hair. Well, we never know. Oh

500
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 1: you don't ever know. Okay, you don't never know, don't

501
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,719
Speaker 1: ever know, And I refuse to accept it. Okay. So

502
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: he takes the family profits and builds this place called

503
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 1: Independence Hall, which is a community center and drug store.

504
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: So they just get rich selling people shit.

505
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 3: Do you think it's still there?

506
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: Is it?

507
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 3: For real?

508
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: Do they sell ice cream?

509
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 3: Do not lie about Independence Hall? Right now?

510
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: Tavern? The tavern's still there. Fuck, party after after party

511
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: is what I meant to say.

512
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 3: We'll just drive three and a half hours to Longmont

513
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 3: and get that's right.

514
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: So I don't know what you're yelling, and I don't care. Yeah.

515
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 3: Uh literally came there for each other. But yeah, of

516
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 3: course we can't.

517
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: When you yell, even in like a good spirit, like

518
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: a happy way, it makes us think you're mad and

519
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: it's scarce.

520
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 3: Okay, we're very, very damaged people. You should know that.

521
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jesus, there's sixty nine. Within the next four years,

522
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: he acquires a one hundred and twenty acre plot of

523
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: land he uses to expand the farm cattle like the

524
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: cow Outfit, And so now he's making an honest living,

525
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 1: and he's ready to settle down. He marries the woman

526
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 1: from the beginning of the story, Ida kit Lee. Oh,

527
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: here's a picture of her. Yeah, it's pretty good, right.

528
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 3: Yes, she looks like many of the TikTokers.

529
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 2: I watch what she's about to teach me how to

530
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 2: use setting spray correctly?

531
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 3: Come on?

532
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: Sure is? Oh my god? Yeah?

533
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 2: Do you think they I mean they made people pose

534
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 2: all serious like that for pictures.

535
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: Right, because you can't you have to sit there for

536
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: three minutes and say's smiling for three minutes. This is

537
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: kind of hard.

538
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 2: But what if, like, deep down she was like, yeah,

539
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 2: let's go get pictures. I always think that she's the

540
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 2: party girl of long Watch.

541
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: She might be so fun.

542
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 3: No one will ever know.

543
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: It's so sad anyway, sorry for her. So they have

544
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: five children. They really liked each other.

545
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 3: Cold that winter.

546
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: And he adds more and more business ventures to his plate.

547
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: In eighteen eighty one, he builds the Dickens Opera house

548
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: on Main Street. I don't want to keep referring to pictures.

549
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: Do you know it? There is a picture of it though,

550
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: whoa wow, buck? Yeah, does it still look like that?

551
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: There's still the bunch.

552
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 2: Of Tesla's everywhere, so many potential opera houses that we

553
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 2: could be looking at right now.

554
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: I made pick one, you know there, I think I

555
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: think it's that one. No, on the right, there's a

556
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: bunch of do not do hot Dog's job because.

557
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 3: They're not having it? Is it the one on the right?

558
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 3: Once again, hot Dog throws up her hand. It's gorgeous,

559
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 3: it's cute.

560
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, I'm sure there's just meter after meter, parking meter.

561
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: You know, that's just the horse.

562
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 3: It's the horse having to put the coins in with

563
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 3: their big teeth though.

564
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: Oh that's cute. So they have kids. Then in eighteen

565
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: ninety one, he finds the farmer. He founds bounds, not fines.

566
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: It's not a thing.

567
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 3: You've got it.

568
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: The Farmer's national bank, and soon after he co founds

569
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: the milling and Elevator company. How did those go together?

570
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 3: What range? This man has money? Elevators, milling booze?

571
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: What's milling? Oh?

572
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 3: Making stuff?

573
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: Okay?

574
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 3: Oh Robin yell hookers from the back.

575
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: Sugar, thank you, sugar.

576
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 3: I'm sorry that was me then that was on me.

577
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: Oh hey, guess what it says? The only flour mill

578
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: large enough to.

579
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 3: Complete just near words away. I've read this before.

580
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: I swear to god, I'm fucking sweating.

581
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 2: I was having a thing backstage where my eyes it

582
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 2: felt like my eyes weren't taking in information anymore, like

583
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 2: they were sitting on things, but like I didn't know

584
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 2: what it meant.

585
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 3: And I was like, this is an interesting way to.

586
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: Be Yeah, yeah, that's anxiety, is it? I think so?

587
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: And anyways, he maintains his wealth and social status as

588
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: a successful businessman and philanthropist into his early seventies, watching

589
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: his children grow into adults. He enjoys his retirement with

590
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: his wife Ida, until, of course, the night of November thirtieth,

591
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: nineteen fourteen.

592
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 3: Yep, they're on board now, yeah, they love it.

593
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: And he gets shot. As I said, I'm back at

594
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: the crime scene. Investigator's fine. That bullet was shot with

595
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: what would have come to be a fair would have

596
00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: been a very distinctive high powered rifle. You know all about.

597
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 3: Yes, ask me anything on Reddit.

598
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: Because he's such a prominent figure in the longer monk community,

599
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: the press picks up the story of his murder. It

600
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: seems that he had done so much good while he

601
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: was alive that it was hard for people to believe

602
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: that he had an enemy capable of killing him. But

603
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: you can make a lot of enemies.

604
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 2: He's the banker, right, don't people high banker, huge bank?

605
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: Oh shit, what the baron?

606
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 3: We've been listening to, useless dame. So she just starts

607
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 3: reading it to herself.

608
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: Oh my gold, just tell about the good part. Okay, okay.

609
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: So the Sheriff Sandford Buster comes up with some theories. First,

610
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: they set their sights on a man named m. Swallow.

611
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 3: Spell it swallow?

612
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: Well, do you name me to spell that for you?

613
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 3: No? You don't usually work blue, but I know M

614
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 3: as in just the letter.

615
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that Alli was like, oh, sometimes old

616
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: timy newspapers just refer to men by their first initial.

617
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: So we're going up. We're going with em because we

618
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: couldn't find any other name. Let's call him what Maurice?

619
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: Maurice Swallow?

620
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 3: People, are you guessing or do you actually know?

621
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: Is your uncle? Their great uncle?

622
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 2: All these citizens that are just like, please get our

623
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 2: history correct.

624
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: And he had an argument with him, but he's cleared.

625
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: And then so he has no enemies since the Sheriff

626
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: Buster and his team considered the possibility of someone maybe

627
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: who wants revenge on him, because it turns out he

628
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: wasn't the best I guess when he served in the

629
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: Colorado Third Cavalry back in the eighteen sixties, he participated

630
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:59,479
Speaker 1: in the Sand Creek massacre. Yep, you did that one.

631
00:33:59,520 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 5: To me?

632
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: It was awful. So did you covered that one? Right?

633
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 3: Did I?

634
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 2: How would I fucking know? I don't listen to his show.

635
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 2: That was me doing an impression of my sister.

636
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: It was great. So they were thinking that maybe people

637
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: were like gonna plot revenge against him, but it had

638
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: been so long and then let's see, I'm gonna skip that,

639
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: that that and that.

640
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 3: Just read it.

641
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 1: People like it, they do.

642
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're fine. Okay, this

643
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:35,720
Speaker 3: is actually this is really interesting.

644
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: We're on the opening act and they want to sup it.

645
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,280
Speaker 3: Okay, you got this, Okay, thank.

646
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: You, thank you. But in eighteen seventy, a full forty

647
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: four years before the murder, there was one or other

648
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: event that sucked that could point to someone who would

649
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: want revenge against William Dickens. That year, a man named

650
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: Bill Duoi French killed an innocent man and a posse

651
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: of vigilantes which included William Dickens went after Billy Dubois

652
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: and they try to arrest him, but it led to

653
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: a shootout. Billy goes down in the fight, and he

654
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: swears to William that one day he will have his revenge.

655
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:29,720
Speaker 1: Right always, abad, I'd suspect that guy for sure. Right however,

656
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 1: Oh no, he's dead.

657
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 3: Oh he won't.

658
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: He won't have his revenge. But maybe his brother will.

659
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: Oh you know how brothers are? I actually don't you

660
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:49,280
Speaker 1: don't They fucking sucks. They steal your ship and hide

661
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 1: it from you. It's annoying. But it had been so long,

662
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: and this brother is like working as the clerk of

663
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: a let's see Laaramir County and does that you guys,

664
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: he's got no criminal record. It sounds like he's just

665
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: like let his brother's memory, you know, live on in

666
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: a positive way instead of seeking revenge. Right. So he's out, Okay,

667
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: and then.

668
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 3: It's sorry really quick, it's Larimer County.

669
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: Oh shit, thank you? What is it?

670
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 2: They actually, in a very organized way, yelled that back

671
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 2: at us that I didn't want to deny it.

672
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 3: Because it was great.

673
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. You know, you're totally right, and I

674
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: see it here now, clear as day. Yeah, that was

675
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 1: what I was meant to say. So okay, so he's out.

676
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: He's out. Investigators find themselves back at square one, but

677
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: they get a new lead when a clerk at a

678
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: store out of a Denver see you, guys, you're like,

679
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: street lights here are real rough, aren't they?

680
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 5: Like? You?

681
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,720
Speaker 1: Stop it? Every street light, every red light? My god,

682
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: stop it?

683
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 2: You mean the street lights work here? They make you

684
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 2: stop and then they ask you to go. It's ridiculous here.

685
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 3: Okay, sorry, I always mean about the street lights.

686
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: I didn't mean it's no, You're okay, you were correct.

687
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: So someone in Denver reports the purchase of a high

688
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: powered rifle and silence are just one month before the murder.

689
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,479
Speaker 1: They can trace these things back then, and they care.

690
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 1: And it's the same type of gun that was used

691
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: in the shooting, which was a rare gun. And the

692
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: person who purchased this weapon is none other than William's

693
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: own son, Rienzi Dickens. You're surprised that surprises you? Heartbreaking

694
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: thirty four years old, I mean spoiled, yeah, baby, tavern baby, the.

695
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 3: Worst time filled with pretzels and ego.

696
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: So he's arrested on December third, nineteen fourteen, just minutes

697
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: after his father's funeral, which had to be a fucking scene, right,

698
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: Like that's kind of fucked up, that is.

699
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 2: Those cops were like, that's revenge from cop.

700
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 1: Totally, Like you better be sure you got the guy

701
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: if you're gonna like storm a funeral. Yeah, right, one

702
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,760
Speaker 1: would hope. When Sheriff Buster asked if he ever purchased

703
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: the gun and silencer, Rienzi swears he didn't. But then

704
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: the authority searches home and find the rifle in silencer.

705
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 3: Where do they Where do you put it?

706
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, it's dismantled into several pieces and

707
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: hidden throughout his own home. Yeah, which I've bet houses

708
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: back then didn't have a lot of hiding places, you know,

709
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: it's not n like today.

710
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 3: There's one big vase that you just had to put everything.

711
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: In there, right Yeah. Police also dig through a pile

712
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 1: of ash in the alley behind his house looking for evidence,

713
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: because one witness claimed to have seen him frantically digging

714
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: there the morning of his father's funeral, which is a weird,

715
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 1: like maybe that's his religious.

716
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 3: No, And I tried second one.

717
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,720
Speaker 1: I don't want to wasn't tip to begin with, Okay,

718
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you for the it's opportunity and the ash.

719
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: They find the cartridge that held the bullet that killed William,

720
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: Like the bullet not the same one. So he is like,

721
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: all right, you got me. I did buy the gun,

722
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: but I insisted he was just shooting at a fence

723
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: post for fun, sure.

724
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 2: Toward his father's library, right.

725
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: The fence posts with the library behind it, for fun.

726
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:39,479
Speaker 1: It's so fun. And so he has an alibi though

727
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: he was home on the night of the murder with

728
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: his kids, but his wife was out the movie, so

729
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: there's no witnesses to actually place him there that night.

730
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 3: There was movies back then, a picture.

731
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's a great fucking question.

732
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 3: What fucking movie was it?

733
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: There were pictures. It wasn't a talkie.

734
00:39:54,960 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 3: Kramer versus Kramer, definitely. It was just that train coming

735
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 3: at him over and over. She was there forever screaming.

736
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: Scraving their heads off. So his his alibi isn't good

737
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: enough to like prove and police discover a potential motive,

738
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: of course, because it's guess what.

739
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 2: It is, right, money, money, right? What were you gonna

740
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 2: guess my mind was completely blank. Literally, your finger went

741
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 2: like that, and I.

742
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 3: Was like, oh, I'm supposed to say something now.

743
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: I know. I hate when you do that, So I

744
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 1: don't know why I just did that too. I'm sorry.

745
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 3: Well, I'll get my revenge during my story. Fuck.

746
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:42,280
Speaker 1: Okay, what'd you do this? Oh?

747
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 2: Yea.

748
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,240
Speaker 1: So it turns out he's got a lot of debt.

749
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,280
Speaker 1: In records indicate that Ramzio is somewhere between thirty five

750
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: to forty thousand dollars in debt. Guess how much that

751
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: is today?

752
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 3: Okay, we're talking nineteen fourteen.

753
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, thirty five to forty got I'm bad at this.

754
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 2: I have to admit, after nine and a half years

755
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 2: doing his podcast, I'm so bad at this.

756
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: We've got it right once. Let me just try it out.

757
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 3: Okay, it's it. Don't help me. It's a three hundred

758
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 3: and fifty thousand dollars.

759
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: I really wanted you to get this because everyone would

760
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: have You're right, A million.

761
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 6: Dollars all right, yay, And that's an example of what

762
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 6: it feels like to be a Nippo baby.

763
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: Okay, here you have another chance. Because his father's worth

764
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: estimated net worth is about three hundred thousand dollars, which

765
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: in today's money twenty million, nine point five million. Sorry,

766
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:39,280
Speaker 1: it's okay, okay.

767
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 3: I've never been a math person, that's for sure.

768
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: Either. That's why we have a podcacast. Hey, it's so

769
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: he was good, of course inherit some of that, of course,

770
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: and so but he's like, but I swear to god,

771
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: I didn't kill my dad. Probably his mom and siblings,

772
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: they all have his back. They don't think he did it.

773
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 1: And later the same month, later in the same month

774
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: of his arrest, and oh my god, we haven't done

775
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: this in so long to summer nineteen.

776
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 3: Were taping, but you have to remember it.

777
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: Inflect up right and come back. He's a ragin plea.

778
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 1: It's not guilty. He's released on thirty seven thousand dollars bond,

779
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: which I don't know how much.

780
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 2: It is, eight hundred thousand, yes, yes, yes, okay.

781
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: So they hire a whole team of private investigators to

782
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: track down the real killer and get him, you know,

783
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 1: out of here. And they find one suspect worth considering.

784
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: It's a rancher named John Ensley. Everyone's related to these people, like,

785
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: but yeah, I just don't know every single one of

786
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: these people. Yeah, oh, I have a cousin. I don't

787
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: know in the audience. I've just remembered. That's what he said.

788
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 3: I don't know, And you don't know your own cousin.

789
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: He's like second cousin. Yeah, so kind of a stranger. Yeah.

790
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:51,959
Speaker 3: What do you think he thinks of you right now?

791
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. But his wife likes me, so that's okay,

792
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: that's good. So I think it's a drag loong and

793
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: I appreciate you, Stephen. Okay. He used to work for William,

794
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: but people close to him says he always resented William.

795
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: He was spotted drinking at a Longmont bar on the

796
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: night of Williams murder, and a bottle of this liquor

797
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:14,879
Speaker 1: that he drinks was found nearby outside of the Dickens home.

798
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: So that's not great. Shouldn't have left that behind, right, right,

799
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: But he was probably drunk. Yeah, off it. It's enough

800
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: for the police to question Ensley, but he tells them

801
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 1: something interesting that unravels the private detective's story. According to Ensley,

802
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 1: most of the group of private investigators, they all got

803
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 1: him shit faced, basically, and one of them, yeah, pretended

804
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: to be a priest who tried to trick him into confessing.

805
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: So a whole scam. What do you think? Yeah, you're nah.

806
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 2: So it's like nineteen fourteen cops. So they're probably literally

807
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 2: beating the shit out of him, and then they're like, okay, well,

808
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 2: we'll give you a moment to bleed and walk outside.

809
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 2: And then one of them like turns their shirt around

810
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 2: and it's like, okay, I'm also going to beat you up,

811
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 2: but yeah, you'll tell me, right.

812
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,439
Speaker 1: That's what I love God, So you tell me he's

813
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: up to the big one. Yep. And then the whole

814
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,240
Speaker 1: thing just was a big setup to try and frame him.

815
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 1: And so, with no heart evidence against Ensley, police believe

816
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 1: him and go back to the son. So his trial

817
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: for the murder of his father begins April twenty fourth,

818
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:28,720
Speaker 1: nineteen fifteen, and Judge Neil F. Graham, your favorite, presides

819
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 1: over the case. And they come in hot and drop

820
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 1: a bombshell. He claims he's received a confession letter in

821
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: the mail from the actual killer. Oh, you want me

822
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: to read it to you? He reads it in court.

823
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 2: Please do, and please do it in a classic Colorado accent.

824
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:51,760
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, dear sir, please don't let them convict Ramsey Dickens,

825
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 1: Do I have it pretty dead on? I think, yeah,

826
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,720
Speaker 1: Please don't let them convict him. I am the murderer.

827
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: I'd kill anyway who would do me the way old

828
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: blank blank did. I shot him in the window with

829
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: a rifle, which afterwards it's just like admitting to it

830
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: in such a ridiculous I shot him through the window

831
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: with a rifle, which I afterward buried in Loveland. For

832
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: God's sake, don't let them convict an innocent man. Someday

833
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 1: they will be sorry. I did it because he had

834
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 1: it coming sign X so convenient.

835
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 3: Real bullshitty. Yeah, it's the for God's sake that pushed

836
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 3: it over the edge.

837
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: Right, Oh please, Oh please easy. I'm fine killing a dude,

838
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: but I don't want anyone to go to prison for it,

839
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, Yeah, I don't know

840
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: about that. The district attorney is like the bullshit calls bullshit.

841
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: And so, after about a month of going back and

842
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,240
Speaker 1: forth in court, Judge Graham sends the jury off to deliberate,

843
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: and he gives them an option to either find Ramsey

844
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: guilty of first degree murder or guilty of second degree

845
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: murder or not guilty, and they find him guilty of

846
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: second degree murder. His wife faints when in the courtroom

847
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: when she finds out, which is dramatic.

848
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 3: Very old fashioned.

849
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they fainted a lot back then.

850
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 3: They loved fucking fainting back then.

851
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 1: It like couches, literal couches for it.

852
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 3: I hear it was the corsets. But that's right, that

853
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 3: might just be a rumor.

854
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. He gets a retrial, and he gets out on

855
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: forty thousand dollars bail and.

856
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 3: Two hundred and thirty seven thousand.

857
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 1: Yes, man, you're fucking killing it.

858
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 3: Every single one is right.

859
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: And it looks like his mother pays the bill, you

860
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 1: know as and then they in the course of the

861
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: next trial, they find a weapon specialist who's like, maybe

862
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: it wasn't the gun, the murder weapon that was hidden

863
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: all over his house. Maybe it wasn't. Could it not

864
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 1: have been? Maybe?

865
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,720
Speaker 3: So there's so many things in this.

866
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: World, right that one of them could be this, and

867
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 1: so so he da da da da. Okay, So no,

868
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: here we go, just read the letter again. Okay. Their

869
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 1: application for a retrial is denied and he's given a

870
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: sentence of eighteen to twenty seven years imprisonment for the

871
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 1: murder of his father, but he continues to appeal his

872
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 1: guilty verdict, and in October of nineteen nineteen, the Colorado

873
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: Supreme Court orders a new trial on the grounds that

874
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:32,760
Speaker 1: the second degree premeditated murder charge was invalid because whoever

875
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 1: did it was like premeditated it. You guys know how

876
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 1: true crime works, So only the only valid verdict would

877
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:44,879
Speaker 1: have been first degree or not guilty. So technicality, you're out,

878
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: which is you know there for people who aren't guilty,

879
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: you know, I mean he's released from prison. Well, he

880
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:56,280
Speaker 1: waits a second trial, and he relocates to Long Beach, California.

881
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: He's always I don't know.

882
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 3: We went to the Rocky Stadium for the game last night.

883
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 3: It was that's right, So I should have talked about.

884
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 1: That at the time.

885
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 2: I know, it's like an anecdotal thing to warm everybody

886
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 2: up and win people over.

887
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I forgot.

888
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 3: It was so gorgeous and cool and the Giants one,

889
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 3: so I was excited, but it was cool. Sorry, don't

890
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 3: be mad. Just don't.

891
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 2: Let's not turn it into a sports thing like you

892
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 2: always have to. Just like, let us do our show.

893
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 1: She has one team, that's it that she wants to win.

894
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: Let's ask let her have it. And in October nineteen

895
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: twenty one, he returns to Colorado for a second trial.

896
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: A couple of weeks focuses on that the what was

897
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: the gun and the bullet the same? And they paid

898
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 1: a lot of people a lot of money to say

899
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: maybe it wasn't.

900
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 3: There's so many things in this world.

901
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: There's so many things in this world. Yet and in

902
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:50,720
Speaker 1: the end, about two weeks, after two weeks of trial,

903
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: he's found not guilty this time. So after receiving this

904
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,439
Speaker 1: not guilty verdict in nineteen twenty one, he heads, wait,

905
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: there's been other photos and I forgot them.

906
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:00,879
Speaker 3: It's just trying to look.

907
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's him, right, that's right before he dies.

908
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: Probably William Dickens. No, probably, it's kind of young. It's

909
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: just the same picture with the fake go tee.

910
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 2: He's wearing a fake beard and he finally got that

911
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 2: limp roller he was dreaming of.

912
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 1: Oh, and then I think there's a photo of his

913
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 1: house for some reason. If you feel like saying, oh, right.

914
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,879
Speaker 3: Third Avenue the place to be in long mind?

915
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: God, do I know it? You love it.

916
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 3: I used to go trick or treating there as a.

917
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: Child, Okay, and I think that's it. So yeah, that's it.

918
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 3: Stop looking over there, so look away, so stop it.

919
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 1: And so he lives in Long Beach, the rest of

920
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: his life passes away in nineteen sixty one, and what

921
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 1: if Okay, here is my so they never really caught.

922
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: It's a cold case because I never actually caught the murder,

923
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: even though everyone thinks that they did. It was the sun. Yeah,

924
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: what if he had an insurance policy taken out of

925
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: him health? Hear me out, it's in a book that

926
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: I won't spoil for you. Okay, But he has himself guilt. Yeah,

927
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: it's terrible.

928
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 3: Why would you have himself guilt?

929
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: Because then his wife can get the insurance money.

930
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 3: So do you think he had suicidal ideation?

931
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 2: He was like, let's get five other people in on

932
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 2: this plan and make some cash.

933
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 3: Wasn't he already rich?

934
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: Yeah?

935
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 2: Shit, But you know what, that's what greed is like,

936
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:28,439
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, It's never enough.

937
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 3: It's never enough.

938
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: Tell it to the hot dog. That's why. That's why

939
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: I'm a podcaster and not a detective. Among other things,

940
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 1: like I didn't go to college.

941
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 3: Look, we're doing our best.

942
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: As for his murder, the case technically remains cold, though

943
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: most people believe Ramsey was guilty, but he was able

944
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 1: to cast enough doubt with enough money to win his freedom,

945
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 1: and he maintained his innocence to the end, leaving the

946
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 1: truth about him father's death a mystery. And that is

947
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: the story of the murder of William Dickens.

948
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're done. You did it. It was great, I know.

949
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. Oh it happened. Yeah, Oh, thank you.

950
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 3: I got it done.

951
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, we all thank you.

952
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 3: The people of Longmont, thank you.

953
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:33,359
Speaker 2: Of course, right the Longmont Museum there now are our

954
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 2: business partners.

955
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 3: It's an incredible opportunity. Okay, are you ready for my story?

956
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell them that you guys know that we

957
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: don't ever know each other's stories, which we're talking about

958
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: how annoying that must be for everyone who has to

959
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: work on the show because we have to like take

960
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: separate calls and I don't know this what she's gonna do.

961
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, so I'll tell you right now.

962
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 1: I wish you would.

963
00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 2: All these people in the audiences are like, we've been

964
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 2: listening to this bullshit for nine years. We know you

965
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 2: don't know, but it's fun. It's fun to talk about guys. Tonight,

966
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you a story that takes place in

967
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 2: one of your beautiful, charming, little scenic towns in the

968
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 2: Rockies here in Colorado.

969
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 3: It's one of those towns that has.

970
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 2: Great hiking, skiing, fishing, and what one website describes as

971
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 2: quote strong.

972
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 3: Old West vibes.

973
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 1: I like those things, right.

974
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 2: Everyone's got kind of a weird, yanky hat on. The

975
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 2: town has around two thousand people. It's a tight knit community.

976
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 2: It's been described as sleepy, cozy and laid back.

977
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:46,919
Speaker 3: Me too, right, that's you all over. You're so tight knit.

978
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:53,399
Speaker 2: But all of that changed on the afternoon of June fourth,

979
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 2: two thousand and four, when a man came roaring down

980
00:52:56,000 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 2: the streets of this quiet little town in a customized bulldozer.

981
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 3: With the intent of leveling everything in his path.

982
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,240
Speaker 2: The man's name was Marv he Meyer and the town

983
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 2: was called Granby.

984
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 3: This is the story of the Killdozer.

985
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:23,399
Speaker 2: Good job, Yeah wow, I'm pretty sure Maren found this one,

986
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 2: and I was like, you have done me a great service, truly, truly.

987
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 3: This story is fucking nuts.

988
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: Oh this is a great you story too, Like I

989
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 1: feel like this one was made for you.

990
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 2: It's really there's a lot of heroes and anti heroes

991
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 2: in this story and then there's one big ass bulldozer.

992
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:47,760
Speaker 3: And that's all I need.

993
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 2: Really, I'm like a three year old boy in that way.

994
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 2: I just want to I just want to look at.

995
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: Big bulldozers, bulldozers and sinkholes, singles and bulldozers.

996
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 5: You know.

997
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 3: Uh, Okay, did you say sources for yours?

998
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 1: Yes?

999
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 3: Okay, great, I wasn't listening.

1000
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: You even commented on it, yeah, And was that tonight? Yeah? Yeah.

1001
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 2: So the main sources that Marin used for this story

1002
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 2: today are the book Kill Dozer, The True Story of

1003
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 2: the Colorado Bulldozer Rampage by author Patrick Brower, and a

1004
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:29,439
Speaker 2: twenty twenty documentary called Tread. Okay, so we'll just talked

1005
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 2: about Marv first, and so you learn a little background.

1006
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,720
Speaker 2: Marv Hemeyer is born in nineteen fifty one in South Dakota.

1007
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 3: Are you fucking serious? Are you serious? Did you drive?

1008
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:46,919
Speaker 7: Why they drove?

1009
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:48,720
Speaker 3: How long is the road trip?

1010
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: Eleven seven?

1011
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 3: Someone does in a Bulldozer.

1012
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:56,839
Speaker 1: Classic. That's good.

1013
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 2: It's like the straight story, But with a bulldozer from

1014
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 2: South Dakota, how long does it take to get here driving?

1015
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 1: Six hours?

1016
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 3: Thank you very much.

1017
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, all the rest of the shit you're saying, we

1018
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 2: can't hear, and we'll talk about it later.

1019
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, South Dakota.

1020
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 2: I know, I feel like I've never met a person

1021
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:17,320
Speaker 2: from South Dakota.

1022
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 1: No, you haven't.

1023
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 2: This is what's one of your names, Carrie veneras Mary.

1024
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 1: Mary, Mary, Mary, Mary.

1025
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 3: Mary Smith. Nice to meet you.

1026
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 1: Mary. Now I've now you know someone in South Dakota.

1027
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, But Mar's family comes to Colorado in the

1028
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 2: mid No, sorry, Marv himself comes to Colorado in the

1029
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 2: mid nineteen seventies. He's stationed at the now defunct Lowry

1030
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 2: Air Force Base.

1031
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:51,320
Speaker 3: He's right here in Denver. Thank you for your service.

1032
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 2: And then when Marv leaves the Air Force, he stays

1033
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 2: in Denver to pursue his newest passion.

1034
00:55:59,200 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 3: Just give a guess.

1035
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: Okay, is this to you pointing at me to guess

1036
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 1: a little bit? Bulldozers? Now, race car driving, snowmobiling. Damn it.

1037
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: That's kind of close though, like it iss like a vehicle, you.

1038
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 2: Know, and it's also one of those vehicles with the

1039
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 2: cheney things, non actual wheels.

1040
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:21,359
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna take that as a win.

1041
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 3: I think it's a huge win.

1042
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 1: I need it also.

1043
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 2: I just think it's funny when I was looking at

1044
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 2: this where it's like the words passion and snowmobiling are

1045
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:34,800
Speaker 2: quite a combination. Yeah, So snowbowle biling becomes a huge

1046
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 2: part of his life.

1047
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 3: He takes weekly trips out to rugged.

1048
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 2: Areas with his friends so they can ride their snowmobiles

1049
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 2: and hoot and holler and whatnot. They snowmobile so hard

1050
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 2: together that eventually Marv decides to go into an auto

1051
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 2: repair business with one of those friends, a man named

1052
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 2: John Kleiner. So they open up a shop in Boulder,

1053
00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 2: and Marv becomes known as a virtuos when it comes

1054
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 2: to welding and repairing mufflers. Kind of hot the mozart

1055
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 2: of mufflers.

1056
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 3: Did you say kind of hot?

1057
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:09,399
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1058
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 1: I don't know why. Welding to me is just like

1059
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 1: one of those like tough person things. Yeah, let's show

1060
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 1: really see.

1061
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, Hey, if you saw.

1062
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,959
Speaker 1: That while you were scrolling whatever the apps, what would

1063
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: you do?

1064
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:27,440
Speaker 3: Push left? What's the thing you do?

1065
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 2: You don't know the answer is yes, does his hat

1066
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 2: say silver bullet? Oh shit, yeah, hell yeah he got

1067
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 2: that for free.

1068
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 1: Or with like points from the tabs.

1069
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 2: He sent away for that, right, So one of Marv's

1070
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 2: friends will later tell the AP that quote. He could

1071
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 2: change a muffler by himself in twenty minutes, no wasted motion.

1072
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 2: He knew what he was doing, all right. Be nice

1073
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 2: to friends that talked about you like that.

1074
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, true appreciation of your skill, especially mufflers. She's great.

1075
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 1: Karen's great at muffler's.

1076
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 3: She's so good at mufflers. No wasted motions.

1077
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 2: It's the thing I'm sick of when I go get

1078
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 2: my car fits and they're like, it's like, come on,

1079
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 2: twenty minute.

1080
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 3: Oil change for fuck's sake.

1081
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 2: So at some point Marv and John they split off

1082
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 2: and do their own things. Marv opens a different shop

1083
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 2: on his own and that.

1084
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 3: Does very well. He's also made a bunch of money

1085
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 3: investing in real estate, so he's doing good. And then

1086
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 3: in the early.

1087
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 2: Nineties he moves to Grand Lake, Colorado.

1088
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 3: It's just this huge lake.

1089
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 2: I don't know her grand and he does it for

1090
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 2: this gnowmobiling, that's right. And then this is when he

1091
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 2: hears that his old friend and business partner, John is

1092
00:58:55,480 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 2: thinking of expanding his business toward the Rocky Mountains. That

1093
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 2: news gets Marv's wheels turning because he had recently come

1094
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 2: across a vacant two acre lot in Granby, near his

1095
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 2: current home in Grand Lake.

1096
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 3: That lot was previously owned by.

1097
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 2: A concrete business that changed hands before that business failed

1098
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 2: and went bust. Uh.

1099
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 7: So sometimes Marin uses these phrases like She'll be like,

1100
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 7: and everything went bust, and I'm like, I don't really

1101
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 7: talk like that, but I guess I missed that one.

1102
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 2: So that piece of property has been bank owned for

1103
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 2: three years, and when Marv sees it, he sees it

1104
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 2: as the perfect place for an auto repair shop.

1105
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 3: It's got a.

1106
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 2: Two big garage, it has lots of storage space, beautiful lighting,

1107
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 2: a great room in the front, an office, and it's

1108
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 2: perfectly located at the intersection of two highways.

1109
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 1: So yeah, breakdown, yeah, to it.

1110
00:59:59,480 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 3: Right over here.

1111
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1112
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 3: The best thing about it, though, is the price.

1113
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 2: The property is appraised at around one hundred thousand dollars,

1114
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 2: but the starting bid is twenty thousand dollars. So right, yeah,

1115
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 2: Marv's like, I'm gonna go to that auction. I'm gonna

1116
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 2: kick some ass.

1117
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 3: Do you want to guess how much? Twenty five thousand dollars?

1118
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 1: Seventies?

1119
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 3: No, No, it's a ninety four.

1120
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 1: That's the last ninety two Okay. The last thing I

1121
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 1: heard was seventies. Okay, twenty thousand in the nineties today

1122
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 1: would be eighty five thousand, forty six thousand. That doesn't

1123
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 1: sound like enough shit, okay.

1124
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 3: Reporter Patrick Brower says, quote.

1125
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 2: Marv hoped he could buy it for a song, lease it,

1126
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 2: or sell it back to Kleiner on favorable terms and

1127
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 2: add to his already fairly comfortable income stream. So the

1128
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 2: two men work out a deal where Marv agrees to

1129
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 2: buy the two acre gran By lot and finance it

1130
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 2: back to John for sixty six thousand. That's still well

1131
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 2: below the appraised value, making it worthwhile to John, but

1132
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 2: a big payday for Marv as long as he can

1133
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 2: buy it close to that starting price.

1134
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:12,439
Speaker 3: So it's nineteen ninety two.

1135
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 2: Marv shows up at a real estate auction ready to

1136
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 2: get that property, but right as the bidding begins, he

1137
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 2: realizes that someone else wants that property too, and it's

1138
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 2: the former mayor of Bramby, a man named Gus Harris.

1139
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 2: So Mayor Harris also has a friend with him. It's

1140
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 2: the former property owner of the concrete business that used

1141
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 2: to be there.

1142
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 3: They write, you know what I'm about to deal with.

1143
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 2: So this man's named Cody dochef and Cody sold his

1144
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 2: concrete business. Someone else bought it, and then that person

1145
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 2: went out of business, and then the bank owned it.

1146
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 2: So Cody actually made money off of that. So he's

1147
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 2: there with the mayor and author Patrick Brower describes Cody

1148
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 2: in his book as quote higher high energy, as a

1149
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 2: quote high energy spark plug of a man. See when

1150
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 2: you're here at the live show, you can hear all

1151
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 2: the edits that we can't make, that's right, the blabbing

1152
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:17,920
Speaker 2: and theah, yeah.

1153
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 3: It's hard to it's hard to. Yeah, that's right.

1154
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 2: So so he's basically Cody's there to egg on the

1155
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 2: old mayor and to get you know, get him bidding

1156
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 2: and have some fun. So the auction begins. It's immediately intense.

1157
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 2: The bidding, of course, goes back and forth between Mayor Gus,

1158
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 2: then Marv, and then Gus raises, and then Marv raises,

1159
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 2: and it goes back and forth until finally Marv wins

1160
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 2: the auction with a bid of forty two thousand dollars,

1161
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 2: which is about how much.

1162
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 1: In today's Okay.

1163
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 3: Sixty eight ninety five, am. Yeah, should we stop doing this?

1164
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 1: Yeah? Maybe that's an old fucking trope that we should

1165
01:02:59,280 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 1: put away.

1166
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 3: Just shelve it and never again guess money.

1167
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 1: Maybe this tour is the last money guessing tour, and

1168
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 1: ver we fucking end it.

1169
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 2: We were trying to think of a title for this

1170
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 2: tour and now we've finally stumbled upon the best title ever.

1171
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 2: So once that auction's over, Marv claims that Cody came

1172
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 2: over to him and starts to chew him out.

1173
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 1: He will later.

1174
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 2: Describe Cody as quote the rudest and most arrogant person.

1175
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 3: I mean, this guy is just a fucking asshole. Oh, Marv,

1176
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 3: language love it. Marv also claims that he immediately offered.

1177
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 2: To sell the lot that he just bought to Cody,

1178
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 2: even though mayor Guess is the one that was bidding

1179
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 2: on it for sixty six thousand dollars, which was the

1180
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 2: same price that he offered to finance it for his

1181
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 2: friend John Cody and a handful of other people who

1182
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 2: were at the auction that day flatly deny that that

1183
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 2: exchange ever took place. But the problem is now, and

1184
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 2: that's very small town of Granby. Marph he Meer is

1185
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 2: rubbing some locals the wrong way, and as we all know,

1186
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 2: the people like people of us that come from the country,

1187
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 2: that's a problem. You don't you don't want to do that, Okay,

1188
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 2: But Marv's problems are about to get worse because not

1189
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 2: long after purchasing this property, a man named Bud Wilson

1190
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 2: from the Granby Water and Sanitation Department comes out and

1191
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 2: informs Marv that this property is not connected to the

1192
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 2: city sectic system.

1193
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, what does that mean?

1194
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 2: That means when you flush the toilet and just kind

1195
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 2: of goes out all right, Actually in the country of

1196
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:45,280
Speaker 2: you've been called uh wait, it's a late a leech

1197
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 2: field right where it just it's like, well, just goes.

1198
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 3: Out into being empty fields.

1199
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 2: Oh no, okay, So listen, let's not talk about shit anymore,

1200
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 2: because that's not the worst part. The worst part is

1201
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 2: it turns out that the main line hookup for him

1202
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 2: to get connected to the city septic system is one

1203
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 2: hundred feet away off of his property, and it's so

1204
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 2: it's on somebody else's property.

1205
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 3: And if that's not bad.

1206
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 2: Enough, the owner of that land is none other than

1207
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 2: a former mayor Gus.

1208
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 3: Harris oh Man, his auction enemy.

1209
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 1: This is like a looney to in this cartoon.

1210
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 2: It is at it's a little Cohen Brothers e this story.

1211
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 2: So after the way things shook out at the auction,

1212
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 2: it is easy to assume that Gus probably wouldn't be

1213
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,919
Speaker 2: the hugest fan of Marv, might even be a little

1214
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 2: resentful of Marv's of noxious behavior. Plus, as anyone who

1215
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 2: grew up in the country knows, the installation and upkeep

1216
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:45,880
Speaker 2: for a new sewer system is pricey, and that's when

1217
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 2: Marv learns it's going to cost him upwards of eighty

1218
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 2: thousand dollars to install this, and that's of course twice

1219
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 2: what he just paid for the land itself. So the

1220
01:05:56,680 --> 01:06:00,120
Speaker 2: project is automatically way over budget from what he and

1221
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 2: John Kleiner originally agreed to be working on. So suddenly

1222
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 2: Marv's investment property is morphing into a serious money pit,

1223
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 2: and he tries to do some damage control. He shows

1224
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 2: up at the next Granby town hall meeting and he

1225
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 2: thinks he can somehow push or reroute the negotiations away

1226
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:22,919
Speaker 2: from Gus and to the City of Gramby itself, and

1227
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 2: he wants he basically wants them to handle the negotiations

1228
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 2: and the subsequent installation costs.

1229
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 3: And Marv actually tells the city board quote, you've got

1230
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:35,919
Speaker 3: to hook me up.

1231
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 1: Get that on a shirt.

1232
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then there's just a bunch of shit underneath.

1233
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 1: Karen's going blue. Is that blue? No?

1234
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 3: No, that's just gross. Yeah, I guess it's brown if anything.

1235
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 2: So, the Granby Town Board tells Marv that the city

1236
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 2: will not be holding his hand through this process, and

1237
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 2: that Marv needs to get his proper hooked up to

1238
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 2: the city sewer system, which means he has to work

1239
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 2: things out with Gus Harris. And as you might guess,

1240
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 2: Marv does not like this answer, and he tells the

1241
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 2: board members, in what some might say is a condescending tone,

1242
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 2: that quote, you can't expect to grow if this is

1243
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:20,880
Speaker 2: your policy. It's extortioned by the government fiat. I don't

1244
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 2: need you, you need me.

1245
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 1: Uh oh yeah, that's foreshadowing.

1246
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 2: Then he tries to drop the mic, but it's one

1247
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:29,640
Speaker 2: of those ones that connect it to the podium, so

1248
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:34,480
Speaker 2: he's just like pushing it down. And then he storms.

1249
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:40,480
Speaker 3: Out, Yes, queen, go right, man, are so dramatic.

1250
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:41,560
Speaker 1: I love.

1251
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 3: The stance of, uh, you're asking me to be reasonable?

1252
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 3: How can you grow if that's your policy?

1253
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:50,360
Speaker 1: Maybe they don't want to grow.

1254
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, maybe that's Granby.

1255
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 2: So the whole thing is taking place in a town

1256
01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 2: hall meeting, on the record, in front of a bunch people.

1257
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 2: It's not a good look for the new guy who

1258
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 2: basically just screwed up.

1259
01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 3: And is now baking the town for help.

1260
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 2: Marvel then informed town officials in the interim that he

1261
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:12,000
Speaker 2: will be putting in a new septic tank.

1262
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:13,720
Speaker 3: So Grahamby's fine with that.

1263
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:16,519
Speaker 2: What he doesn't tell them is what he's doing is

1264
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 2: he found an old cement mixer on the property and

1265
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:22,680
Speaker 2: he's just gonna bury that and use that as the

1266
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:23,439
Speaker 2: septic tank.

1267
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 1: The cement mixer huh. I guess I don't really know

1268
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:30,200
Speaker 1: how septic tanks work. It's just a big I'm being honest.

1269
01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 1: It's like a suburb.

1270
01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:35,800
Speaker 2: It's like a waiting room for your shit. Okay, it's

1271
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 2: more complicated than that, but.

1272
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 3: We don't need to talk about it.

1273
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 2: And then Barn wrote and If you think that sounds

1274
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 2: like a bad idea, that's because it is a bad idea.

1275
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:53,200
Speaker 2: So so Bud Wilson from the Water and Sanitation Department

1276
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:56,679
Speaker 2: warns Marv he can't rely on an aceptic tank forever.

1277
01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:58,840
Speaker 2: He will need to figure out how to hook up

1278
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:02,920
Speaker 2: to the city sewer line at some point, but before

1279
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 2: mar this is my writing, But before Marv can expel

1280
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 2: the cortisol from his system and work amicably with his neighbor,

1281
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:17,040
Speaker 2: his business buddy, snowmobile sister John Kleiner unexpectedly finds himself

1282
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:18,360
Speaker 2: involved in an.

1283
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:21,559
Speaker 3: EPA audit over some old oil spills.

1284
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 1: That doesn't sound good.

1285
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 2: Don't worry about it. It's not a big deal. It's

1286
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:27,200
Speaker 2: just personal oil spills.

1287
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:28,720
Speaker 3: That the EPA has to get involved with.

1288
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 2: It's personal, okay, So when you know it, John now

1289
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 2: begins backpedaling to get out of the Gramby plan that

1290
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:39,799
Speaker 2: he was going to do with Marv. So Marv decides

1291
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:41,680
Speaker 2: that he's just going to do it himself. He's going

1292
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:45,960
Speaker 2: to set up his new muffler shop. But remember he

1293
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 2: planned to lease and finance that property to and with John.

1294
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:55,439
Speaker 2: It's not happening, So Marv has to go it alone,

1295
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:57,320
Speaker 2: he opens Mountain View Mufflers.

1296
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:03,120
Speaker 3: Everybody loves it totally and.

1297
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:06,719
Speaker 2: He services just about everybody in town. And he actually

1298
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:10,400
Speaker 2: does really well. So things start looking up and even

1299
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:13,639
Speaker 2: better because he does such great work at the muffler shop,

1300
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:17,759
Speaker 2: he basically starts doing damage control with the locals.

1301
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 3: He even makes some friends. People are like, oh, this

1302
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:22,439
Speaker 3: guy's really good and they get to know him as

1303
01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 3: a person, and.

1304
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:25,680
Speaker 1: He doesn't waste a movement or whatever it was.

1305
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:27,719
Speaker 3: That's right, no wasted movement.

1306
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:30,639
Speaker 2: They're like, look at the clean lines of this guy

1307
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:31,679
Speaker 2: and his muffler work.

1308
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:34,759
Speaker 3: He's like a ballerina with the muffler.

1309
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:41,799
Speaker 2: Locals think that Marv is nice, he's friendly, he's making friends.

1310
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:43,559
Speaker 3: Things are starting to go smoothly.

1311
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:47,200
Speaker 2: And Marv is really happy about his transplant to this

1312
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 2: mountain community. And then he's making good money and what

1313
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 2: is he doing with that money? Such, it's the dream life.

1314
01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:57,280
Speaker 3: He's he's driving.

1315
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:03,439
Speaker 2: But uh, there is one problem for Marvin. It's Bud Wilson,

1316
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:06,879
Speaker 2: the Granby water and sanitation guy, who keeps on calling

1317
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:10,759
Speaker 2: and reminding him he's got to connect to the city

1318
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:11,920
Speaker 2: sewer line.

1319
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, how's he okay?

1320
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's that kind of thing where like, you

1321
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:18,719
Speaker 2: know how some of us get very good at pushing

1322
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:20,920
Speaker 2: off other people to not do the thing that they

1323
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 2: just don't.

1324
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 3: Feel like doing.

1325
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:27,600
Speaker 2: Well, he does this for five years, Okay, epic procrastination,

1326
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:33,120
Speaker 2: just masterful, No wasted movement in that. So now it's

1327
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:35,599
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety seven. Marv's in his mid forties. He has

1328
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 2: been running this muffler business for five years, and that

1329
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:42,800
Speaker 2: is when the Docheff family approaches him asking if they

1330
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:46,639
Speaker 2: can buy the property. So this is Cody Docheff's family.

1331
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:52,720
Speaker 2: They owned the concrete plant before, and the Cody was

1332
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:56,839
Speaker 2: the spark club of a man, and the family basically

1333
01:11:56,840 --> 01:11:59,599
Speaker 2: wants to start the concrete plant on that property again.

1334
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 3: But Marv doesn't like Cody.

1335
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:04,200
Speaker 1: He god, he doesn't like a lot of people.

1336
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:08,040
Speaker 2: He's I think he's sensitive, Yeah, maybe a little emotional,

1337
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 2: like he's you know.

1338
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:11,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes you got to look at yourself though, if

1339
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 1: you're like not getting along with a lot of people.

1340
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:16,240
Speaker 3: That's very true, you know, saying that to me, say

1341
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:16,760
Speaker 3: that to you.

1342
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:25,439
Speaker 2: Surprisingly, Marv says he is not opposed to selling to

1343
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 2: the Dochefs. In fact, he gets the lot of praised

1344
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 2: and he lets them know, the property is now worth

1345
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:34,479
Speaker 2: two hundred and seventy thousand dollars, but when the Dough

1346
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:38,519
Speaker 2: Chefs agree to that price, Marv ups the price to

1347
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:41,120
Speaker 2: three hundred and seventy five thousand dollars.

1348
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:43,480
Speaker 3: And then more.

1349
01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:48,599
Speaker 2: Before claiming that actually the land is worth a million dollars.

1350
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:52,320
Speaker 3: Dude, calm down. So he kind of does a bait

1351
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:53,040
Speaker 3: and switch of.

1352
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:56,639
Speaker 2: Like, sure, friend, all negotiate with you and then not really.

1353
01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:59,080
Speaker 2: So this forces the Doe Chefs basically to just walk

1354
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 2: away from this deal. But what they do, because they're

1355
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 2: also petty bitches, is they buy the land next.

1356
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:06,719
Speaker 3: Door to Mark.

1357
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 1: Or maybe they just.

1358
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:10,080
Speaker 3: Had to, you know what I mean.

1359
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:12,559
Speaker 2: Maybe that was just you can't put a concrete plant

1360
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:13,320
Speaker 2: just anywhere.

1361
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 3: Sure, it was just like it didn't have a ton

1362
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:16,519
Speaker 3: of choices.

1363
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:17,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

1364
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:20,519
Speaker 2: So when Marv finds that out, he tries to buy

1365
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:23,439
Speaker 2: that property out from under them before they can finalize

1366
01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:23,760
Speaker 2: the deal.

1367
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:26,599
Speaker 3: But it's too late. Ink is dry. He can't do it,

1368
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:28,880
Speaker 3: and this is when Marv goes on an all out

1369
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:30,599
Speaker 3: crusade to fight that.

1370
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:33,160
Speaker 2: Forthcoming concrete plant being put in next door.

1371
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 1: This guy is exhausting. Let's talk, dude. Take a nap

1372
01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:38,800
Speaker 1: and go ride your fucking snowmobile.

1373
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:41,719
Speaker 2: My thing is for real, right, It's like you can't

1374
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:44,120
Speaker 2: only snowmobile your way out of your emotions.

1375
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:45,920
Speaker 1: You have to pit. You have to go to therapy.

1376
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:48,320
Speaker 3: You have to fucking go to therapy. I'm sorry.

1377
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 1: Yeah you can say snowmobile. I mean yeah, yeah, yep, nothing.

1378
01:13:56,640 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 3: Okay. So what is that buzz a mob?

1379
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:05,040
Speaker 1: I'm telling you it's a ghost.

1380
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:08,920
Speaker 3: It's a big moth. If it lands on my shoulder,

1381
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 3: I'm leaving do Okay.

1382
01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:17,520
Speaker 2: So Marv frames this concrete plant as a toxic, harmful project.

1383
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:20,280
Speaker 2: He says he's worried that the dust and the environmental

1384
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:24,560
Speaker 2: issues will bring all kinds of problems to his property.

1385
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 3: He cites all sort of.

1386
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:30,200
Speaker 2: Zoning violations and issues. To be fair, Marv is not

1387
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:32,599
Speaker 2: the only person in Gramby who feels this way about

1388
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 2: this concrete plant, but for Marv it's personal. He starts

1389
01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 2: going door to door in Granby, Yikes, and he also

1390
01:14:41,479 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 2: runs countless ads in the local newspaper, Got sky High News.

1391
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:47,439
Speaker 3: Anyone heard of it?

1392
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:47,920
Speaker 2: Love it?

1393
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:50,879
Speaker 3: Of course not? They say we're not from Granby.

1394
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:54,600
Speaker 2: But basically he's doing everything he can to kind of

1395
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 2: lobby against this plant.

1396
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:57,880
Speaker 3: He also lawyers up.

1397
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:02,960
Speaker 2: He files a lawsuit in hope of halting construction. So

1398
01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:05,880
Speaker 2: now this guy I News starts covering this battle because

1399
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:07,120
Speaker 2: it's so public.

1400
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:08,720
Speaker 3: Marv's not pleased.

1401
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:11,240
Speaker 2: With the angle they take on the situation, though, because

1402
01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:15,880
Speaker 2: they position both him and his attorney as outsiders. I'm

1403
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:19,000
Speaker 2: considered an outsider in Petaluma, really because I moved there

1404
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:22,519
Speaker 2: when I was two. It's how small towns are, got it,

1405
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:25,000
Speaker 2: and that town is a big town compared to GRAMBYA.

1406
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:29,760
Speaker 2: If that fucking moth doesn't get out of here, will

1407
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:31,160
Speaker 2: I am performing?

1408
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:41,320
Speaker 3: Excuse me? Excuse me? Mom?

1409
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:42,559
Speaker 1: Okay, they're good luck.

1410
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:47,280
Speaker 3: Man on the street interview with the moth. How long

1411
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:48,800
Speaker 3: have you lived at the Paramount Theater?

1412
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:49,200
Speaker 2: Mom?

1413
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:52,240
Speaker 3: Okay, this is so fucking long. I gotta go, all right.

1414
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:56,439
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, for Marv, all his time, money, and energy fighting

1415
01:15:56,479 --> 01:16:00,639
Speaker 2: this cause does not stop the concrete plant. If anything,

1416
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:02,960
Speaker 2: it causes a town of Grahamby to make sure everything

1417
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:05,720
Speaker 2: is done exactly by the book. So there's they're not

1418
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:08,519
Speaker 2: breaking any rules and the dochef's work with the town

1419
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:10,800
Speaker 2: to iron out all those zony issues that he was

1420
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 2: trying to cite. And meanwhile Marvs convinced himself that the

1421
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 2: city is conspiring against him and his business.

1422
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 3: He might be right, I mean I don't think he is.

1423
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:26,919
Speaker 2: Oh okay, knowing what is at the end of this document,

1424
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, keep in mind.

1425
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1426
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:33,120
Speaker 2: So then in two thousand and one, which is four

1427
01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:36,320
Speaker 2: years you know, into his crusade against the concrete plant,

1428
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 2: a really bad thing happens.

1429
01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:43,519
Speaker 1: We're going back to two thousand and Yeah, I think

1430
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:44,280
Speaker 1: I know what it is.

1431
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:45,280
Speaker 3: It's not nine to eleven.

1432
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:56,120
Speaker 2: The concrete mixer fills up and begins to overflow. Yeah,

1433
01:16:57,360 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 2: And so what Marv does is he doesn't solve the problem.

1434
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:03,840
Speaker 3: He just he simply pumps.

1435
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:06,479
Speaker 2: All of that human waste into a ditch behind his property.

1436
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:09,920
Speaker 1: Yah, you can't do that. No, it turns out, it

1437
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:12,680
Speaker 1: turns out it is against the rules. Yeah, he's like

1438
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:14,760
Speaker 1: mad at the concrete people, but then he's just like

1439
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:16,120
Speaker 1: dumping shit exactly.

1440
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:21,479
Speaker 3: He's an environmental toxicity warrior. And then it's like it's natural.

1441
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:29,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's only mad at concrete, not human feces everywhere.

1442
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:33,160
Speaker 2: So he immediately gets caught doing that. He gets fined

1443
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:36,160
Speaker 2: twenty five hundred dollars and warned that he absolutely must

1444
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:39,240
Speaker 2: get connected to the city sewer system or his business

1445
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:42,639
Speaker 2: could be shut down, and Marv calls this requirement a

1446
01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:45,680
Speaker 2: form quote a form of terrorism.

1447
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:48,200
Speaker 1: Ah, bad timing, dude.

1448
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:52,120
Speaker 3: Do you want me to have indoor plumbing too?

1449
01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:56,200
Speaker 1: What is this? It didn't land on or landed on me?

1450
01:17:56,720 --> 01:17:57,280
Speaker 1: Is it on him?

1451
01:17:57,280 --> 01:17:57,760
Speaker 2: Black? Right?

1452
01:17:58,640 --> 01:17:59,040
Speaker 1: Anyone?

1453
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:03,120
Speaker 3: Is it on you? What do you want from us? Hey,

1454
01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:07,600
Speaker 3: we're trying to do our first live show back after six.

1455
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:13,360
Speaker 1: Fucking kulle I'm happy about it. Oh wait, maybe it

1456
01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:19,639
Speaker 1: came from my dress. Maybe I don't tell like moth.

1457
01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:23,000
Speaker 3: Balls that poor moth is like, I just want to

1458
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:26,800
Speaker 3: go home. Please let me, please, let me go home.

1459
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:30,679
Speaker 1: Lady wearing your fucking dress.

1460
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:32,759
Speaker 3: You steamed him out of the dress.

1461
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 1: Oh no, okay, Oops, he's still there.

1462
01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:43,280
Speaker 3: Just put your finger up way if he flies away.

1463
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:44,040
Speaker 1: Okay.

1464
01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:48,679
Speaker 2: So this is when Cody Dotchev calls Marv and offers

1465
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:51,519
Speaker 2: to cover the cost of the sewer line installation if

1466
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:55,280
Speaker 2: Marv will just stop fighting about the concrete plant.

1467
01:18:55,640 --> 01:19:01,120
Speaker 3: So Marv hangs up on him. Yes, he is not down.

1468
01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:03,240
Speaker 2: So at this point, Marv's been spending a lot of

1469
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:06,800
Speaker 2: time alone, often in his hot tub, which you would

1470
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:07,959
Speaker 2: think would be a positive.

1471
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:09,240
Speaker 1: I got it.

1472
01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the one man who a hot tub

1473
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:13,920
Speaker 2: is not a positive.

1474
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:15,439
Speaker 3: Doesn't have a positive effect on him.

1475
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:16,360
Speaker 1: It makes it worse.

1476
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:18,720
Speaker 2: He's wearing those overalls and he has a muffler and

1477
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:22,320
Speaker 2: he's just like, I've never wasted any emotion and still

1478
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:26,960
Speaker 2: here I am stewing an anger and paranoia in a

1479
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:32,160
Speaker 2: hot tub. If this sounds like you, please call the

1480
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:34,760
Speaker 2: Gramby hot Tub hotline.

1481
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:36,640
Speaker 3: Uh.

1482
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:38,519
Speaker 2: Also, I wrote in this is just a guess, but

1483
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:40,840
Speaker 2: it sounds like it might be spring, so I think

1484
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:42,200
Speaker 2: he hasn't snowmobiled in a.

1485
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:46,360
Speaker 3: While, so he's itching. All this is to say Marv

1486
01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:47,360
Speaker 3: isn't a bad place.

1487
01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:50,160
Speaker 2: And we know this and we know what happens next

1488
01:19:50,439 --> 01:19:54,080
Speaker 2: because Marv ends up recording a very long manifesto.

1489
01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:57,960
Speaker 1: Oh man, when there's a manifesto, you just shit scones

1490
01:19:58,000 --> 01:19:58,519
Speaker 1: out right.

1491
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:02,040
Speaker 2: This is that's the game through which you walk, And

1492
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:05,040
Speaker 2: you're like, now, this goes into a terrible true crime story.

1493
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:07,960
Speaker 3: The timeline goes like this.

1494
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:11,000
Speaker 2: In April of two thousand and two, Marv's lawsuit against

1495
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:15,040
Speaker 2: the Doe Chefs is officially dismissed. Back in the hot Tub,

1496
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:21,320
Speaker 2: Hot Tears five mufflers this time, so the concrete plant

1497
01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 2: is going full steam ahead. Three months later, in July

1498
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:27,679
Speaker 2: of two thousand and two, a special delivery arrives from

1499
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:32,600
Speaker 2: Marv in Granby. What is It's an enormous Comatsu D

1500
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:36,720
Speaker 2: three five five, a bulldozer which he reportedly got a

1501
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:40,920
Speaker 2: great deal on. Oh so these were designed. These are

1502
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:44,240
Speaker 2: the gigantic bulldozers that were designed for oil fields and

1503
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:45,360
Speaker 2: mining operations.

1504
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:48,080
Speaker 1: I didn't know there were different kinds of bulldozers. That's

1505
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:48,720
Speaker 1: great to know.

1506
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:51,080
Speaker 2: They're like a little one, like a skiploader that they

1507
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:53,800
Speaker 2: use a costco, and then there's these fucking gigantic ones

1508
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:55,479
Speaker 2: that are like We're going to dig into the center

1509
01:20:55,479 --> 01:21:00,160
Speaker 2: of the earth and release cryptids.

1510
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:01,559
Speaker 3: That's my personal dream. Anyway.

1511
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:05,880
Speaker 2: They're over twelve feet tall, nearly thirty feet long, and

1512
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:07,200
Speaker 2: they can weigh over one.

1513
01:21:07,160 --> 01:21:10,599
Speaker 3: Hundred thousand pounds. What else is thirty feet long?

1514
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:15,520
Speaker 2: A standard school bus, a large RV, and adult blue whale.

1515
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:18,280
Speaker 1: Good to know for a reference.

1516
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:21,760
Speaker 2: That's according to AI, I'll say, which also recommended that

1517
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:24,960
Speaker 2: to stay healthy, you should eat six small rocks a day.

1518
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:29,360
Speaker 3: So let's take everything with a grain of salt in

1519
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 3: our AI future. This whole thing was written by AI.

1520
01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 2: So the manifesto, of course, is a terrible sign. Giant

1521
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:41,519
Speaker 2: earth moving equipment is not a great one either. Then

1522
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:43,840
Speaker 2: Marv starts selling everything.

1523
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:44,599
Speaker 3: He owns at auction.

1524
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:50,360
Speaker 2: Horrible his shop, equipment, motorcycles, boats, his house, and worst

1525
01:21:50,360 --> 01:21:54,000
Speaker 2: of all, his seven beloved snowmobiles.

1526
01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:54,599
Speaker 3: Very bad.

1527
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:57,560
Speaker 1: I thought you were going to say dogs, but snowmobiles

1528
01:21:58,000 --> 01:21:58,679
Speaker 1: isn't as bad.

1529
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:03,120
Speaker 2: So by October of that year, Marv has sold almost

1530
01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:06,880
Speaker 2: all of his assets. He's closed his muffler business. Nobody

1531
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:09,559
Speaker 2: is seeing these signs, which is very upsetting. Yeah, and

1532
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:12,280
Speaker 2: maybe he just alienated enough people where it's just like, oh,

1533
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:15,360
Speaker 2: that guy. He also moves all his money into his

1534
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:19,200
Speaker 2: father's bank accounts without telling him or anybody else. He

1535
01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:21,760
Speaker 2: also works out a temporary arrangement with the people that

1536
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:25,920
Speaker 2: he sells his house and land to that he they're

1537
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:30,200
Speaker 2: allowing him to lease back the muffler shop for a year, so,

1538
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 2: as he explains to them, so he can quote finish

1539
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:37,120
Speaker 2: some work. Fun fact, one day after closing the sale

1540
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:39,920
Speaker 2: on this property, the new owners connect the property to

1541
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:42,559
Speaker 2: this city sewer system.

1542
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:46,160
Speaker 4: Just that easy, my god.

1543
01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:52,080
Speaker 2: Twenty four hours Okay, so Marv secretly moves himself and

1544
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:55,680
Speaker 2: his giant bulldozer into his muffler shop, and for the

1545
01:22:55,720 --> 01:22:58,599
Speaker 2: next year, no one knows what he is doing in there.

1546
01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:03,599
Speaker 2: When he begins recording this manifesto, in which he says

1547
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:06,720
Speaker 2: of the local people of gramby quote, they thought they

1548
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:09,479
Speaker 2: could do whatever they wanted to me. They were wrong,

1549
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:14,880
Speaker 2: And so his revenge project begins. Marv begins modifying this

1550
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 2: gigantic bulldozer, adding steel and concrete panels up to a

1551
01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:24,080
Speaker 2: foot thick, attaching video cameras protected by bulletproof lenses, and

1552
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:29,000
Speaker 2: mounting several gunports, basically turning this machine into a full

1553
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:30,280
Speaker 2: on weaponized tank.

1554
01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:31,920
Speaker 1: Jesus mm hmm dude.

1555
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:36,559
Speaker 2: And then on June fourth, two thousand and four, Marv

1556
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:41,000
Speaker 2: climbs into this gigantic armored bulldozer and lowers a steel

1557
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:45,040
Speaker 2: slab weighing several tons over the hatch. And once he

1558
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 2: does this, he has no way.

1559
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:50,240
Speaker 3: Of getting back out. Oh let's take a look at

1560
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:50,960
Speaker 3: the killdozer.

1561
01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:57,320
Speaker 1: Can we Holy shit, it's the death star of bulldozers.

1562
01:23:57,560 --> 01:24:03,400
Speaker 1: I mean right, wow, I mean yeah, I guess. Welding,

1563
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:05,360
Speaker 1: that's what welding, that's what welding.

1564
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:08,479
Speaker 3: Can give you. That's what no wasted motion can end

1565
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:11,599
Speaker 3: up looking like. It's just so sad. It's like that

1566
01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:12,760
Speaker 3: is it took so long.

1567
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:15,519
Speaker 2: That's a person who was in so much pain and

1568
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:17,360
Speaker 2: nobody he didn't have anybody to turn to.

1569
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:17,800
Speaker 1: He did.

1570
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:20,400
Speaker 3: He just was like, fine, I'll just weld the fuck

1571
01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:22,400
Speaker 3: out of these feelings. Horrible.

1572
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:29,559
Speaker 2: So around two pm, this ninety ton machine bursts out

1573
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:33,160
Speaker 2: of the muffler shop and going three to five miles

1574
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:33,559
Speaker 2: an hour.

1575
01:24:35,080 --> 01:24:38,840
Speaker 1: That's not as tough, you know, yeah, very very up.

1576
01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:40,120
Speaker 1: Make up a different number.

1577
01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:45,280
Speaker 2: It's like it's a slow attack, which I think are worse. Yes,

1578
01:24:46,040 --> 01:24:49,080
Speaker 2: it's like the zombie thing. I'd prefer a fast zombie

1579
01:24:49,080 --> 01:24:49,920
Speaker 2: and just get it over with.

1580
01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:51,400
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, it's.

1581
01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:56,639
Speaker 1: Okay.

1582
01:24:56,720 --> 01:25:02,479
Speaker 2: So his first target is the Dochef's concrete plan. Workers

1583
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:07,200
Speaker 2: there watch in disbelief as this steel covered bulldover bulldozer

1584
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:12,280
Speaker 2: smashes onto the property through the plant walls. The building

1585
01:25:12,360 --> 01:25:17,799
Speaker 2: collapses around it. Bystanders try stopping this bulldozer by jamming

1586
01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:21,719
Speaker 2: debris into the treads. One person fires a handgun at.

1587
01:25:21,640 --> 01:25:25,720
Speaker 3: It, but you saw it. It does nothing and they

1588
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:27,200
Speaker 3: can't see if there's a driver inside.

1589
01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:29,400
Speaker 2: They don't know if somebody is working it remotely, like

1590
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:32,840
Speaker 2: no one understands what's going on. And this is when

1591
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:35,120
Speaker 2: Cody Docheff shows up. Can oh, I bet you can?

1592
01:25:35,160 --> 01:25:37,160
Speaker 2: You go backburns if he could, because I think I

1593
01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:39,439
Speaker 2: have a theory that that's Cody Docheff. He tried to

1594
01:25:39,439 --> 01:25:43,160
Speaker 2: get into it. Yeah, but he actually slipped off of that.

1595
01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:45,280
Speaker 2: That's a guest though, because there's a cop there, so

1596
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:47,360
Speaker 2: that could could be a cop and I could be wrong,

1597
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:51,240
Speaker 2: but Cody Docheff actually tried to get up an inside.

1598
01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:53,760
Speaker 2: But when he was doing that and he was unable to.

1599
01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:57,200
Speaker 2: So what he did he gets the rest of the

1600
01:25:57,200 --> 01:26:00,679
Speaker 2: concrete plant evacuate it, and then he goes and gets

1601
01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:04,640
Speaker 2: his own front end loader and he tries to basically

1602
01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:08,120
Speaker 2: go lift I don't think we have that go lift

1603
01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:09,320
Speaker 2: the that.

1604
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:10,679
Speaker 3: Bulldozer off the ground.

1605
01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:11,679
Speaker 1: Damn.

1606
01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:13,679
Speaker 3: It's like that's sad.

1607
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:17,599
Speaker 2: Don't know, you're not going to beat that thing. All

1608
01:26:17,640 --> 01:26:21,840
Speaker 2: Cody can manage doing is spinning the bullet doozer like

1609
01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:24,880
Speaker 2: around a little bit. But as the two machines ram

1610
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:29,559
Speaker 2: each other, Cody gets knocked out. Oh man, so this

1611
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:33,599
Speaker 2: is when Marv starts shooting. Oh fuck, he fires ten.

1612
01:26:33,400 --> 01:26:36,519
Speaker 3: To twelve rounds toward Cody's loader.

1613
01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:40,360
Speaker 2: Sorry, that's really hard to say toward Cody's loader, but

1614
01:26:40,439 --> 01:26:43,160
Speaker 2: the steel plating makes it hard for him to aim

1615
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:47,240
Speaker 2: on the right side, so it's not very well you know,

1616
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:48,280
Speaker 2: planned out, I guess.

1617
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:50,920
Speaker 3: So thankfully he misses Cody.

1618
01:26:51,080 --> 01:26:53,240
Speaker 2: And I'm not sure if Cody was still unconscious or not,

1619
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:55,280
Speaker 2: but how scary for everybody else where.

1620
01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:57,640
Speaker 3: Like then the gunshots start either way if he was

1621
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:01,560
Speaker 3: awake or not. So now the made it on the scene.

1622
01:27:01,240 --> 01:27:03,600
Speaker 2: They have to duck for cover as Marv turns the

1623
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:04,920
Speaker 2: bulldozer's guns in.

1624
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:07,000
Speaker 3: The direction of a fuel truck.

1625
01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:11,120
Speaker 2: Ooh, but thank god he can't aim well, so instead

1626
01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:13,479
Speaker 2: of hitting the fuel truck, he just takes out some

1627
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:19,040
Speaker 2: natural gas piping, which is it's fine, it's natural, and a.

1628
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:20,960
Speaker 3: Couple electrical boxes.

1629
01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:24,400
Speaker 2: It just sparks and that's fun. And a transformer, which

1630
01:27:24,439 --> 01:27:29,720
Speaker 2: is a great cartoon. So once that's done, the bulldozer

1631
01:27:30,240 --> 01:27:35,559
Speaker 2: then turns and slowly drives off, heading toward downtown Branby.

1632
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:37,439
Speaker 3: And this is where it gets bad.

1633
01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:41,720
Speaker 2: Marv drives the bulldozer into Granby and his path of

1634
01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:47,920
Speaker 2: destruction begins. He crushes a Ford expedition. He destroys the Granby.

1635
01:27:47,439 --> 01:27:51,640
Speaker 3: Town Hall, the town fucking holl No, Then he destroys

1636
01:27:51,880 --> 01:27:52,600
Speaker 3: the library.

1637
01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:57,519
Speaker 2: Then he destroys the city's only traffic light.

1638
01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:00,800
Speaker 1: Come on.

1639
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:02,040
Speaker 3: Then a bank.

1640
01:28:02,240 --> 01:28:09,439
Speaker 2: We have the bank, Holy shit, yeah, look the banks.

1641
01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:12,519
Speaker 3: That gorgeous stone faced bank.

1642
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:16,080
Speaker 1: Uh.

1643
01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:19,719
Speaker 2: Then this guy hey newspaper offices who had been reporting

1644
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:20,280
Speaker 2: on him.

1645
01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:23,160
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's a lot of fucking damage.

1646
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:27,080
Speaker 2: That is fucking damage, like crazy. And then a house

1647
01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:31,479
Speaker 2: owned by Granby's, a Granby towed board member. As it goes,

1648
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:34,320
Speaker 2: people are trying to shoot at the bulldozer.

1649
01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:37,040
Speaker 3: Some people try throwing grenades at it.

1650
01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:42,759
Speaker 1: What the this is? I'm that's that's crazy.

1651
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:44,799
Speaker 3: I'm sorry you don't carry a grenade.

1652
01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:49,479
Speaker 2: Well, then you're not ready when a big bulldozer comes

1653
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:49,880
Speaker 2: to down.

1654
01:28:50,120 --> 01:28:52,280
Speaker 1: The top of your list of things you destroyed was

1655
01:28:52,280 --> 01:28:53,160
Speaker 1: a Ford explorer.

1656
01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:55,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm really mad about that.

1657
01:28:55,760 --> 01:29:02,280
Speaker 2: They're a gorgeous vehicle. Bullets bounce off of this thing.

1658
01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:05,599
Speaker 2: Some locals get it like Corey tried to do. Some

1659
01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:09,400
Speaker 2: get into their own construction machinery and also drive at

1660
01:29:09,439 --> 01:29:10,160
Speaker 2: the bulldozer.

1661
01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:12,120
Speaker 3: None of them are a match.

1662
01:29:12,840 --> 01:29:16,760
Speaker 2: Soon, Denver media outlets have helicopters in the air on

1663
01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:19,960
Speaker 2: the scene while everyone's radios are tuned to the blow

1664
01:29:19,960 --> 01:29:23,839
Speaker 2: by blow that the local AM radio station is basically

1665
01:29:23,880 --> 01:29:27,599
Speaker 2: giving everybody Hell yeah, so everyone hears it when Marv

1666
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:32,280
Speaker 2: turns his bulldozer toward a pro paane storage yard OOO

1667
01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:37,000
Speaker 2: that has five three thousand gallon tanks and two huge

1668
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:40,000
Speaker 2: thirty thousand gallon tanks of pro pain.

1669
01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:40,880
Speaker 1: That's big.

1670
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:43,800
Speaker 2: If he is able to shoot at even one of

1671
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:47,559
Speaker 2: these tanks, the whole area could go up. And right

1672
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:51,040
Speaker 2: across the street is a senior living center.

1673
01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:52,120
Speaker 1: Come on.

1674
01:29:52,720 --> 01:29:53,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1675
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:58,960
Speaker 2: Luckily, Marv's aim is impeded, so he abandons that horrific plan.

1676
01:29:59,080 --> 01:30:01,400
Speaker 2: So it's just like everyone's standing there waiting for something

1677
01:30:01,439 --> 01:30:01,759
Speaker 2: to happening.

1678
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:02,400
Speaker 3: He's just like m.

1679
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:09,560
Speaker 1: Never mind goes the other way.

1680
01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:12,160
Speaker 2: And what he heads for is one of my favorite

1681
01:30:12,240 --> 01:30:15,880
Speaker 2: names of a business ever, Grambles Hardware Store.

1682
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:19,240
Speaker 3: Grambles Hardware Store.

1683
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:20,160
Speaker 1: It's cute.

1684
01:30:21,280 --> 01:30:24,760
Speaker 3: No one likes it as much as me alone again.

1685
01:30:26,080 --> 01:30:31,639
Speaker 2: And thanks, and Grambles is owned by another town board member.

1686
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:36,120
Speaker 2: So Marv drives directly into the front of this hardware

1687
01:30:36,160 --> 01:30:37,080
Speaker 2: store and.

1688
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:39,960
Speaker 3: He brings the whole thing down around him. Can you

1689
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:41,400
Speaker 3: see them there?

1690
01:30:41,439 --> 01:30:43,320
Speaker 1: It is that's the one.

1691
01:30:43,400 --> 01:30:46,400
Speaker 3: Is that the last one to be this? Okay, that

1692
01:30:46,520 --> 01:30:51,000
Speaker 3: was it, Grambles, We hardly knew, ye.

1693
01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:55,200
Speaker 2: This is when the bulldozer stops, and steam starts hissing

1694
01:30:55,200 --> 01:30:57,320
Speaker 2: out of the now dead engine, and the.

1695
01:30:57,280 --> 01:30:59,559
Speaker 3: Bulldozers treads like that.

1696
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:01,600
Speaker 2: There's breeze stuck in all of them that can't go

1697
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:07,040
Speaker 2: any further. Deputies carefully approach the silent bulldozer, actively avoiding

1698
01:31:07,080 --> 01:31:10,360
Speaker 2: the gun ports, and that's when they hear a gunshot

1699
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:14,800
Speaker 2: from inside. It takes bomb techs ten hours to cut

1700
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:17,960
Speaker 2: through the steel armor to get inside, so at one

1701
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:19,759
Speaker 2: am they are.

1702
01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:22,000
Speaker 3: Able to blow torch a hole.

1703
01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:24,960
Speaker 2: Big enough to see inside, and that's where they see

1704
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:27,400
Speaker 2: that Marv Hemeyer is slumped over dead.

1705
01:31:27,439 --> 01:31:29,040
Speaker 3: He has shot himself in the head.

1706
01:31:29,200 --> 01:31:29,559
Speaker 1: Wow.

1707
01:31:30,479 --> 01:31:33,120
Speaker 2: So, despite the name that the press ends up giving

1708
01:31:33,439 --> 01:31:38,120
Speaker 2: to this creation, the kill Dozer, miraculously, no one.

1709
01:31:37,960 --> 01:31:42,800
Speaker 3: In this town, I always said, Grambles, no one in

1710
01:31:42,840 --> 01:31:48,920
Speaker 3: the town of Grambles, where I'm the mayor. This is

1711
01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:50,759
Speaker 3: good news. No one is killed.

1712
01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:54,120
Speaker 2: It's very sad that Marv is killed, but thank god,

1713
01:31:54,200 --> 01:31:57,800
Speaker 2: no one else is hurt or killed except for the

1714
01:31:57,840 --> 01:32:04,920
Speaker 2: Ford exposition. Okay, so because of his manifesto, many outsiders

1715
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:06,920
Speaker 2: have come to see Marv as like a kind of

1716
01:32:06,920 --> 01:32:11,280
Speaker 2: a folk hero, being an anti bureaucrat vigilante who's taken

1717
01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:16,120
Speaker 2: a stand against a small town's big government. That's not

1718
01:32:16,200 --> 01:32:21,360
Speaker 2: what happened here. This is a person who isolated themselves,

1719
01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:25,080
Speaker 2: started believing every goddamn thing that they thought, got real

1720
01:32:25,160 --> 01:32:29,439
Speaker 2: into money ego bullshit, and didn't have a person to

1721
01:32:29,439 --> 01:32:31,240
Speaker 2: call up and go, hey, can I run a couple

1722
01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:34,360
Speaker 2: things by you? I would really love to build the

1723
01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:38,879
Speaker 2: largest kill dozer anyone's ever seen and attack my enemies.

1724
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:41,360
Speaker 2: And then that person goes, Marv, get out of the

1725
01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:45,920
Speaker 2: hot tub, get down to the tavern and be around

1726
01:32:45,960 --> 01:32:46,559
Speaker 2: other people.

1727
01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:51,240
Speaker 3: So people do go to the town asking.

1728
01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:54,400
Speaker 2: To see the kill dozer, they're told there's nothing to see.

1729
01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:57,320
Speaker 2: If people do not like it, where people go there. Obviously,

1730
01:32:57,800 --> 01:33:01,759
Speaker 2: authorities actually dismantled the killed dos and sent its parts

1731
01:33:01,800 --> 01:33:04,880
Speaker 2: to different scrap yards across the country so that it

1732
01:33:04,920 --> 01:33:07,439
Speaker 2: could never be made into like a shrine or you

1733
01:33:07,439 --> 01:33:09,840
Speaker 2: know what I mean, anything like that. And over twenty

1734
01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:14,120
Speaker 2: years later from that day of discrettion, the town of

1735
01:33:14,200 --> 01:33:17,439
Speaker 2: Granby and the people who live there still have painful

1736
01:33:17,479 --> 01:33:21,760
Speaker 2: memories and of course massive trauma about like one of

1737
01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:23,720
Speaker 2: the most like insane.

1738
01:33:23,160 --> 01:33:25,600
Speaker 3: But also like is this actually.

1739
01:33:25,240 --> 01:33:29,840
Speaker 2: Happening moments of all time. Marfe Meyer's two hour rampage

1740
01:33:30,120 --> 01:33:34,640
Speaker 2: cost seven million dollars in damage, and it was it

1741
01:33:34,680 --> 01:33:38,320
Speaker 2: was done to basically mom and pop businesses, just local people.

1742
01:33:40,320 --> 01:33:44,639
Speaker 2: Many were never able to recover, some were able to rebuild,

1743
01:33:44,720 --> 01:33:46,719
Speaker 2: and the town actually really came together to.

1744
01:33:46,600 --> 01:33:48,320
Speaker 3: Help each other very beautifully.

1745
01:33:48,840 --> 01:33:51,320
Speaker 2: But you know, some people just had to go out

1746
01:33:51,360 --> 01:33:56,280
Speaker 2: of business in the aftermath of that day. They the

1747
01:33:56,320 --> 01:33:59,200
Speaker 2: people of Granby came together as a community. As I

1748
01:33:59,320 --> 01:34:01,000
Speaker 2: was just trying to provised, but now I have to

1749
01:34:01,040 --> 01:34:02,360
Speaker 2: read it on the paper.

1750
01:34:03,479 --> 01:34:05,559
Speaker 3: There we are there together. So this is where it

1751
01:34:05,680 --> 01:34:09,080
Speaker 3: ended up. This is this is Grambles. That was Grambles.

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01:34:08,920 --> 01:34:14,040
Speaker 3: We got all those genes and those are all those people. Yeah,

1753
01:34:14,160 --> 01:34:15,120
Speaker 3: you're not into the deno.

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01:34:15,479 --> 01:34:16,040
Speaker 1: I love it.

1755
01:34:16,200 --> 01:34:18,080
Speaker 3: We told you it had an old west field.

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01:34:18,120 --> 01:34:18,519
Speaker 1: We did.

1757
01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:24,080
Speaker 2: These people cleaned up the destruction and the debris together.

1758
01:34:24,360 --> 01:34:25,479
Speaker 3: They actually found new.

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01:34:25,439 --> 01:34:28,880
Speaker 2: Spaces for displaced businesses and they did their best to

1760
01:34:29,080 --> 01:34:32,320
Speaker 2: move forward as a community. It's a very stark contrast

1761
01:34:32,360 --> 01:34:36,240
Speaker 2: to Marv Hemeyer's own trajectory. He worked to become a

1762
01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:41,240
Speaker 2: very well liked fixture in the town. But ultimately, yeah,

1763
01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:45,479
Speaker 2: he couldn't. He couldn't get past these these ideas he

1764
01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:46,960
Speaker 2: had in his head of what he was supposed to

1765
01:34:47,000 --> 01:34:49,880
Speaker 2: get and what he was owed, and that entitlement that

1766
01:34:50,040 --> 01:34:52,599
Speaker 2: a lot of people have a problem with, and that

1767
01:34:52,720 --> 01:34:55,480
Speaker 2: of course caused him to withdraw into his hot tub.

1768
01:34:55,320 --> 01:34:56,120
Speaker 3: And go insane.

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01:34:56,880 --> 01:35:01,000
Speaker 2: In the documentary tread, one friend of mar Marves actually

1770
01:35:02,040 --> 01:35:04,880
Speaker 2: offers a simple, sad and I will say a little

1771
01:35:04,920 --> 01:35:09,840
Speaker 2: bit funny explanation for Marv's dark turn, saying, quote, he

1772
01:35:09,920 --> 01:35:12,759
Speaker 2: became a lonely man. He spent too much time alone.

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01:35:13,400 --> 01:35:15,439
Speaker 2: That's what I put it off to. He spent too

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01:35:15,479 --> 01:35:17,040
Speaker 2: much time in the hot tub alone.

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01:35:17,640 --> 01:35:19,920
Speaker 1: He said that. He said that.

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01:35:19,920 --> 01:35:22,680
Speaker 2: That's the full quote, and that's the story of the

1777
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:23,519
Speaker 2: kill Dozer.

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01:35:29,439 --> 01:35:33,800
Speaker 1: Great job, thank you, Wow, what a tale.

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01:35:33,640 --> 01:35:36,400
Speaker 3: Amazing, amazing story, Colorado.

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01:35:37,320 --> 01:35:40,280
Speaker 1: Good job, Bran much at all?

1781
01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:48,679
Speaker 3: That's up? Hi are you? We thought it would never happen.

1782
01:35:49,040 --> 01:35:52,200
Speaker 3: One small note. Oh they got lost in the kerfuffle.

1783
01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:54,040
Speaker 3: This is Georgia hart Star.

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01:35:59,240 --> 01:35:59,799
Speaker 1: It happens.

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01:36:00,920 --> 01:36:02,880
Speaker 3: Thank don Bia, thank DoD Wia.

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01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:07,320
Speaker 1: Oh good job. So whoever the okay, so would you

1787
01:36:07,320 --> 01:36:10,840
Speaker 1: find the button? Did you find the button. Remember, oh

1788
01:36:10,840 --> 01:36:13,000
Speaker 1: you do here? It gives me. Oh hellya, you're the best.

1789
01:36:13,040 --> 01:36:13,920
Speaker 1: Thank you.

1790
01:36:13,960 --> 01:36:16,799
Speaker 3: Can you do your couple stuff off stage? Please?

1791
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:17,200
Speaker 2: Well?

1792
01:36:17,240 --> 01:36:19,160
Speaker 1: I forgot to tell him. Remember I told you that

1793
01:36:19,240 --> 01:36:23,799
Speaker 1: I bought something today at gold Mine for the hometown person.

1794
01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:25,840
Speaker 1: Here it's a button. You want to read it out loud?

1795
01:36:26,280 --> 01:36:29,240
Speaker 3: Ask me about my bad habits and red flags.

1796
01:36:30,760 --> 01:36:34,120
Speaker 1: It's kind of like made for this podcast. Perfect. Yeah,

1797
01:36:34,120 --> 01:36:34,720
Speaker 1: it's so good.

1798
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:36,880
Speaker 3: Well oops, so this if you don't.

1799
01:36:36,640 --> 01:36:40,160
Speaker 1: Know, it spelt my water? Did you this? Gorgeous am?

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01:36:43,080 --> 01:36:44,759
Speaker 3: If you don't know, this is the part.

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01:36:44,600 --> 01:36:47,920
Speaker 2: Where Georgia randomly picks anybody from the audience to come

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01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:50,679
Speaker 2: up and tell their hometown.

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01:36:50,920 --> 01:36:52,320
Speaker 3: With us on stage.

1804
01:36:52,640 --> 01:36:56,200
Speaker 1: And and there's rules behind it. Don't just make it short,

1805
01:36:56,240 --> 01:36:59,280
Speaker 1: don't be ship faced, don't point at someone you don't

1806
01:36:59,320 --> 01:37:05,160
Speaker 1: know you want to Yeah, okay, right here, go over

1807
01:37:05,240 --> 01:37:09,320
Speaker 1: there please. Sorry. I hate doing that.

1808
01:37:09,640 --> 01:37:11,639
Speaker 2: For one second, I thought it was the hot dog

1809
01:37:11,840 --> 01:37:13,920
Speaker 2: putting their hand up, and I was just like, well.

1810
01:37:13,800 --> 01:37:14,719
Speaker 3: Here we go.

1811
01:37:16,320 --> 01:37:18,720
Speaker 1: Here okay, And then we wait a little while.

1812
01:37:18,760 --> 01:37:20,800
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and we're like, how did you feel about

1813
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:21,400
Speaker 3: that first show?

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01:37:22,240 --> 01:37:26,240
Speaker 1: It's pretty good. I think we did. Okay, thanks, so.

1815
01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:29,479
Speaker 3: Here you come.

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01:37:33,400 --> 01:37:37,160
Speaker 1: Hi Katie. You guys, it's Katie here.

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01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:44,000
Speaker 3: Yes, right here, friend and center. Hi, I'm from Brandenton, Florida.

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01:37:44,080 --> 01:37:48,920
Speaker 3: We flew in from Florida yesterday. Wow, thank you, thank you.

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01:37:49,080 --> 01:37:50,240
Speaker 3: Do you like Colorado?

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01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:51,960
Speaker 1: I do so far.

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01:37:52,240 --> 01:37:54,479
Speaker 3: We've only been here a day and it's my first

1822
01:37:54,479 --> 01:37:57,439
Speaker 3: time ever and we're having so much fun. Sorry, Katie,

1823
01:37:57,479 --> 01:37:59,320
Speaker 3: I think they're all booing you right now.

1824
01:38:00,720 --> 01:38:03,439
Speaker 1: They're mad because it's not a Colorado hometown.

1825
01:38:03,479 --> 01:38:06,320
Speaker 3: Oh was it supposed to be? It doesn't matter.

1826
01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:08,640
Speaker 1: Say I'm sorry, I didn't know.

1827
01:38:08,760 --> 01:38:11,679
Speaker 3: Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, maybe there could be another one.

1828
01:38:12,160 --> 01:38:14,920
Speaker 1: Yes, if you're not mean.

1829
01:38:15,000 --> 01:38:17,479
Speaker 3: Unless we get kicked out of this theater, people, get

1830
01:38:17,479 --> 01:38:20,640
Speaker 3: out of here. Okay, Katie, tell us your hometown. My

1831
01:38:20,720 --> 01:38:24,400
Speaker 3: hometown is Bradenton, Florida. Okay, yeah, and we like it.

1832
01:38:24,439 --> 01:38:25,559
Speaker 3: We like that idea.

1833
01:38:26,520 --> 01:38:27,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep?

1834
01:38:27,520 --> 01:38:28,680
Speaker 3: Is that all I'm supposed to do?

1835
01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:29,200
Speaker 1: Oh?

1836
01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:33,439
Speaker 3: No, I shouldn't know. I don't know, Katie.

1837
01:38:34,280 --> 01:38:34,600
Speaker 2: Is that it?

1838
01:38:35,160 --> 01:38:35,680
Speaker 3: Katie?

1839
01:38:36,200 --> 01:38:36,400
Speaker 1: Kate?

1840
01:38:36,439 --> 01:38:38,640
Speaker 3: Does anybody on the hometown from Colorado?

1841
01:38:39,960 --> 01:38:43,280
Speaker 1: You picked someone? You do it? Really? You pick it? Oh?

1842
01:38:43,360 --> 01:38:45,960
Speaker 3: Then I'll pick the clapping lady? Is it from Colorado?

1843
01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:50,120
Speaker 1: Come on up? Okay, Okay, here she comes, here we

1844
01:38:50,200 --> 01:38:54,400
Speaker 1: go Casada. It's Cassandra.

1845
01:38:54,520 --> 01:38:56,680
Speaker 3: Everyone from Colorado?

1846
01:38:57,040 --> 01:38:58,559
Speaker 1: Were you shop?

1847
01:39:00,160 --> 01:39:02,639
Speaker 3: You're right here here? Okay, what's your name?

1848
01:39:02,800 --> 01:39:04,719
Speaker 1: My name is Cassandra, Hi.

1849
01:39:04,960 --> 01:39:13,320
Speaker 3: Sanda or Cassandra, Cassandra, Cassandra? Everybody? Where are you from?

1850
01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:14,000
Speaker 5: Vail?

1851
01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:15,880
Speaker 3: From Vail, Colorado?

1852
01:39:16,439 --> 01:39:16,799
Speaker 4: Malcolm?

1853
01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:21,360
Speaker 3: Ye see what they see? How they did it? Yeah, okay,

1854
01:39:21,439 --> 01:39:22,400
Speaker 3: I don't know how to do this.

1855
01:39:22,479 --> 01:39:23,679
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Don't you do?

1856
01:39:23,720 --> 01:39:26,040
Speaker 2: Just tell us why you got into true crime? What

1857
01:39:26,240 --> 01:39:28,519
Speaker 2: story you got you into true crime?

1858
01:39:28,600 --> 01:39:35,720
Speaker 5: Yeah? Your voice, it wasn't a story name, but.

1859
01:39:35,960 --> 01:39:40,080
Speaker 3: My story, my funny story is from up and veil.

1860
01:39:40,160 --> 01:39:42,720
Speaker 5: In those areas we all look at them, they're very

1861
01:39:42,960 --> 01:39:43,280
Speaker 5: you know.

1862
01:39:44,520 --> 01:39:47,519
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, richie, richie rich people. Right.

1863
01:39:47,640 --> 01:39:49,599
Speaker 5: Okay, So when I was a freshman in high school,

1864
01:39:49,720 --> 01:39:52,520
Speaker 5: I went to a party in Aspen.

1865
01:39:52,280 --> 01:39:53,920
Speaker 1: Colorado, and.

1866
01:39:55,280 --> 01:39:56,920
Speaker 3: The mother walked around with.

1867
01:39:56,960 --> 01:40:04,240
Speaker 1: A silver platter of illicits substances a good one or yeah,

1868
01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:07,599
Speaker 1: oh yeah, very very clean, very clean.

1869
01:40:07,760 --> 01:40:08,040
Speaker 2: Wow.

1870
01:40:09,280 --> 01:40:10,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1871
01:40:10,040 --> 01:40:16,040
Speaker 5: But later on somebody snitched h to their mother, and

1872
01:40:16,360 --> 01:40:21,040
Speaker 5: the uh wife and son that were involved literally took

1873
01:40:21,160 --> 01:40:24,680
Speaker 5: all of the fall for this husband who purchased everything.

1874
01:40:24,280 --> 01:40:24,960
Speaker 3: And known the house.

1875
01:40:25,160 --> 01:40:28,240
Speaker 1: Wow. Just so that his name wasn't involved. Wow, really

1876
01:40:29,240 --> 01:40:30,040
Speaker 1: did they go to jail?

1877
01:40:30,479 --> 01:40:35,080
Speaker 3: Yeah for like a hot minute.

1878
01:40:35,160 --> 01:40:35,880
Speaker 1: No? Really?

1879
01:40:36,720 --> 01:40:41,240
Speaker 3: How old was the sun? Seventeen? Now did he have

1880
01:40:43,400 --> 01:40:46,080
Speaker 3: did he had a cru crush on him?

1881
01:40:46,120 --> 01:40:46,280
Speaker 2: Oh?

1882
01:40:46,360 --> 01:40:46,519
Speaker 7: God?

1883
01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:50,360
Speaker 3: They were critch oh okay, no, okay, no, Juicie. He

1884
01:40:50,439 --> 01:40:52,559
Speaker 3: probably like cleaned up trash on.

1885
01:40:52,520 --> 01:40:54,200
Speaker 1: The side of the road for like six months.

1886
01:40:54,320 --> 01:40:57,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's but.

1887
01:40:57,320 --> 01:40:59,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, aspic Oh, I'm sorry.

1888
01:41:01,680 --> 01:41:02,200
Speaker 1: And veil.

1889
01:41:02,320 --> 01:41:03,760
Speaker 3: Our parents still yell at us.

1890
01:41:03,880 --> 01:41:13,880
Speaker 4: Okay, yay, Cassandra, everyone, Cassandra, guess what you get?

1891
01:41:15,640 --> 01:41:17,880
Speaker 3: Wait, Cassandra, Cassandra, you get this pin.

1892
01:41:22,320 --> 01:41:29,200
Speaker 1: No practice for this is hard, she.

1893
01:41:29,200 --> 01:41:32,000
Speaker 2: Said, I've practiced for six weeks and it still sucked.

1894
01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:37,320
Speaker 3: Cassandra. That's how we feel. This is that's the vibe.

1895
01:41:37,360 --> 01:41:39,400
Speaker 1: Baby.

1896
01:41:40,120 --> 01:41:43,599
Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much for being here to.

1897
01:41:47,960 --> 01:41:51,040
Speaker 1: This is incredible. We appreciate you guys coming to our

1898
01:41:51,120 --> 01:41:54,920
Speaker 1: first live show in six freakin years. Oh my god,

1899
01:41:55,840 --> 01:42:00,000
Speaker 1: selling us two nights in Denver. Thank you guys so much.

1900
01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:03,560
Speaker 3: We love you so much. Thank you, Denver, Stay.

1901
01:42:03,280 --> 01:42:10,639
Speaker 1: Sexy, Elvis, do you want to cookie?

1902
01:42:16,240 --> 01:42:20,000
Speaker 8: Two rich young Americans moved to the Costa Rican jungle

1903
01:42:20,080 --> 01:42:23,439
Speaker 8: to start over, but one of them will end up dead.

1904
01:42:24,040 --> 01:42:29,880
Speaker 8: And the other tried for murder three times. From the start.

1905
01:42:30,240 --> 01:42:31,280
Speaker 8: The omens are bad.

1906
01:42:32,240 --> 01:42:34,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, place is the darkest jungle you've ever seen in

1907
01:42:34,479 --> 01:42:37,120
Speaker 3: your life. You have no clue.

1908
01:42:37,760 --> 01:42:41,280
Speaker 8: John and Anne Bender are young, rich and attractive. He's

1909
01:42:41,320 --> 01:42:42,479
Speaker 8: a Wall Street wiz.

1910
01:42:42,360 --> 01:42:44,920
Speaker 1: Kid, just handsome. We'll be very handsome.

1911
01:42:45,320 --> 01:42:47,000
Speaker 8: And they're devoted to each other.

1912
01:42:47,280 --> 01:42:49,519
Speaker 2: There's a lot of just like warmth and care.

1913
01:42:51,040 --> 01:42:54,200
Speaker 8: They set up a nature reserve and build a strange

1914
01:42:54,320 --> 01:42:57,280
Speaker 8: new home. It's like a spaceship's landed on a little

1915
01:42:57,360 --> 01:42:59,000
Speaker 8: of a hill in the middle of the jungle in

1916
01:42:59,000 --> 01:43:03,840
Speaker 8: Costa Rica. But slowly their dreams starts to crumble.

1917
01:43:04,400 --> 01:43:06,920
Speaker 1: It was just doom't just don't.

1918
01:43:08,520 --> 01:43:11,840
Speaker 8: I'm Becky Milligan and this is Hell in Heaven, a

1919
01:43:11,880 --> 01:43:16,320
Speaker 8: new podcast from Exactly Right Media and iHeart Podcasts, produced

1920
01:43:16,320 --> 01:43:20,519
Speaker 8: by Blanchard House. I'm a seasoned investigative journalist and I've

1921
01:43:20,560 --> 01:43:24,040
Speaker 8: reported on some pretty weird stories over the years. But

1922
01:43:24,120 --> 01:43:29,320
Speaker 8: believe me, stories don't get much weirder than this, because

1923
01:43:29,439 --> 01:43:33,600
Speaker 8: even out here in the jungle, you can run, but

1924
01:43:33,720 --> 01:43:34,719
Speaker 8: you can't hide.

1925
01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:37,200
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden there's guys with guns, Lots

1926
01:43:37,240 --> 01:43:38,320
Speaker 1: of men with guns.

1927
01:43:38,520 --> 01:43:42,240
Speaker 8: They were saying, help, help, the they're kidnapping us. As

1928
01:43:42,280 --> 01:43:46,640
Speaker 8: their past catches up with them. Our couple retreat from reality.

1929
01:43:47,280 --> 01:43:49,200
Speaker 1: They lose it. They actually lose it.

1930
01:43:49,560 --> 01:43:54,200
Speaker 8: They sort of like nuts until one night everything spins

1931
01:43:54,280 --> 01:43:55,120
Speaker 8: out of control.

1932
01:43:58,960 --> 01:44:02,799
Speaker 3: He says, we heard a shot inside the boss's house.

1933
01:44:03,040 --> 01:44:05,559
Speaker 1: And I could see the gun on the floor, the

1934
01:44:05,640 --> 01:44:07,240
Speaker 1: trail of blood, and.

1935
01:44:07,240 --> 01:44:10,360
Speaker 8: One of them will end up being tried for murder.

1936
01:44:11,000 --> 01:44:18,400
Speaker 8: Not once, people, yes, not twice stunned, but three times.

1937
01:44:19,520 --> 01:44:22,680
Speaker 1: We were all looking at each other just in total disbelief.

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01:44:26,120 --> 01:44:31,639
Speaker 8: Helen Heaven premieres on October ninth. New episodes Thursdays. Listen

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01:44:31,680 --> 01:44:35,880
Speaker 8: to Helen Heaven on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or

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01:44:35,920 --> 01:44:43,480
Speaker 8: wherever you get your podcasts.

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01:44:52,760 --> 01:44:54,439
Speaker 3: This has been an exactly right production.

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01:44:54,560 --> 01:44:57,240
Speaker 1: Our senior producers are Alejandra Keck and Molly Smith.

1943
01:44:57,360 --> 01:44:59,360
Speaker 3: Our editor is Aristotle Aarcevedo.

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01:44:59,479 --> 01:45:01,560
Speaker 1: This episode was mixed by Leona Squalacci.

1945
01:45:01,680 --> 01:45:04,519
Speaker 3: Our researchers are Mere McGlashan and Ali Elkin.

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Speaker 1: Email your homecounts to My Favorite Murder at gmail dot com.

1947
01:45:07,720 --> 01:45:10,200
Speaker 3: Follow the show on Instagram at my Favorite Murder.

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01:45:10,240 --> 01:45:13,600
Speaker 1: Listen to My Favorite Murder on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts,

1949
01:45:13,720 --> 01:45:15,640
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01:45:15,120 --> 01:45:17,599
Speaker 3: And now you can watch us on Exactly Wright's YouTube page.

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Speaker 3: While you're there, please like and subscribe.

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Speaker 1: Good byebye,