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Speaker 1: Hey there.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Grown Up with Emily, a lingo kids podcast.

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Speaker 2: It helps kids discover how to be whatever they want

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Speaker 2: to be.

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Speaker 3: Going up.

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Speaker 2: Well, hey Winson, what a lawyer shout out in the

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Speaker 2: courtroom when they hear something unfair or against the rules.

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Speaker 4: Uh no, taky backsies, But I don't know, Emily.

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Speaker 2: Well, come along with me as we unveiled the curious

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Speaker 2: world of lawyers and we'll find out together.

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Speaker 4: Oh, hey Winson, Uh hey, Emily, what's up.

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Speaker 2: I'm just watching a TV show about lawyers while I

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Speaker 2: eat lunch.

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Speaker 1: Want to join me?

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Speaker 4: Sure? What's the show about. It's a show.

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Speaker 2: Called Lawyer Lewis, and every episode, two lawyers try to

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Speaker 2: win a case in a courtroom. It's kind of like

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Speaker 2: a competition to see which person knows the law the best.

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Speaker 4: Wow, why did that lady in the black dress just yell?

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Speaker 4: I object? She sounds angry.

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Speaker 1: No, she isn't angry.

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Speaker 2: It's a phrase lawyers use in a courtroom when they

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Speaker 2: think something is unfair.

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Speaker 4: Oh, well, sounds like she's arguing to me. Adults get

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Speaker 4: mad when I argue.

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Speaker 1: Well, this is a different type of arguing.

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Speaker 2: Lawyers get paid to do this. It's their job.

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Speaker 4: Whoa wait, they get paid to argue. I like the

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Speaker 4: sound of that. Will someone pay me to argue with

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Speaker 4: the kids? You take too long to go down the

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Speaker 2: When lawyers argue in a courtroom, there are rules that

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Speaker 2: they have to follow. They have to base what they

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Speaker 2: say on the law. It's right there are in their

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Speaker 2: name law yours lawyer, but they're also known as attorneys,

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Speaker 2: which is a different word for lawyer.

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Speaker 4: But what do they argue about, Emily, who gets the

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Speaker 4: bigger slice of cake? Or what superpowers is the best one?

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Speaker 4: It's obviously the ability to shape shift, and anyone who

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Speaker 4: says different has no clue what they're talking about.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me give you an example.

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Speaker 2: One day, my neighbor Steve was super upset because his

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Speaker 4: Uh oh, sorry, Steve, it's definitely not cool. So what

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Speaker 4: did Steve do?

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Speaker 2: Well, neither Steve or his neighbor, the dog owner, could

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Speaker 2: agree about what to do. Tie the dog up, so

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Speaker 2: we stayed in his own yard or let him roam free.

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Speaker 4: So did they have to bring in lawyers to help?

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Speaker 4: Did they have to bring in dog lawyers to help,

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Speaker 4: and by that I mean lawyers who are actually.

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Speaker 1: Dogs, well people lawyers.

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Speaker 2: Yes, both neighbors went to court and each had their

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Speaker 2: own lawyer. So in court, the lawyers each told their

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Speaker 4: So lawyers are kind of like storytellers.

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Speaker 2: Too exactly, but they're supposed to tell the truth always,

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Speaker 2: So based on each lawyer's story, the judge ordered the

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Speaker 2: dog's owner to build a fence so that he'd stop

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Speaker 4: Oooh boy, that seems like a very good idea, as

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Speaker 4: well as closed toe shoos.

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Speaker 2: I think so too, But not all court cases in

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Speaker 2: a real life lawyer who's kind and caring.

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Speaker 1: In fact, she's kind.

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Speaker 2: Of like a superhero lawyer who fights for fairness. A

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Speaker 2: few years ago, she helped an amazing journalist called Maria

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Speaker 4: What happened with Maria Emily, Well.

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Speaker 2: Some people said Maria didn't pay the taxes she was

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Speaker 4: So amal one Maria's case and she was able to

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Speaker 1: She did, Winson.

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Speaker 2: Thanks to them all, Maria was proven innocent and they

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Speaker 2: both were really happy about that. In fact, Maria's not

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Speaker 1: The United Nations called a Mall's win.

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Speaker 2: For Maria a victory for media freedom as well as justice.

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Speaker 4: Wow, so lawyers like a Mall can really help others

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Speaker 4: in a big way. A lawyers are just so lovable.

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Speaker 2: Well, sure, Winson, many people do appreciate their lawyers. But

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Speaker 2: think about it this way. If one lawyer wins in court,

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: Uh yeah, I guess so.

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Speaker 2: If a lawyer loses a case, it can be really

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Speaker 4: Oh, I get you. That makes sense. So being a

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Speaker 4: lawyer is a really big responsibility too. How do people

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Speaker 4: become lawyers anyway, Emily.

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Speaker 2: To become a lawyer, you have to graduate school and

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Speaker 2: then go to three more years of law school, and

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Speaker 2: when you're finished, you have to pass a test called

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Speaker 2: the bar exam.

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't like tests, but I do love chocolate bars,

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Speaker 4: So please tell me this test is about eating chocolate bars,

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Speaker 4: because I would pass with fly colors.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm sorry to tell you that there are no

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Speaker 2: chocolate bars involved in this test, Winston.

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Speaker 1: But if you pass the bar exam, then.

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Speaker 4: You get to be a lawyer and you can help people.

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Speaker 1: Yep, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 2: And if you were a lawyer, you could use your

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Speaker 2: salary to buy all the chocolate.

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Speaker 1: Bars you could ever want.

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Speaker 2: Lawyers make pretty good money, you know.

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Speaker 4: Okay, that's it. I'm packing for law school. I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: pack a couple of chocolate bars just in case.

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Speaker 1: Don't pull out your suitcase just yet.

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Speaker 2: You have a few more years of grade school to finish. First.

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Speaker 2: Being a lawyer is an important job, so it takes

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Speaker 2: a good amount of school. That's where they learn how

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Speaker 2: to uncover crimes.

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Speaker 4: Hey, but that's what detectives do.

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Speaker 2: Emily, Yes, detectives do that too, Winston, and lawyers also

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Speaker 2: need to do detective work if they want to get

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Speaker 4: Whoah, do they get a large magnifying glass and look

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Speaker 2: You've been watching some old detective cartoons I see nowadays

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Speaker 2: lawyers mostly look at photos, videos, or emails for evidence.

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Speaker 1: But how else do you think they find out the truth?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I don't know, Emily.

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Speaker 2: Lawyers ask a lot of questions, and sometimes they talk

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Speaker 4: And do they work in offices or in courtrooms like

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Speaker 4: the one that was on the TV show you were

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Speaker 2: You have a lot of great questions, Winston, just like

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Speaker 2: a real life lawyer would. But I think it's best

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Speaker 2: to show you what happens in a courtroom rather than

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Speaker 2: just tell you. But first, I want to take you

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Speaker 2: back to visit a very famous lawyer from Springfield, Illinois.

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Speaker 2: The year is eighteen forty two.

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Speaker 4: That sounds fun, Emily. Let's take a trip through time.

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Speaker 1: Here we go.

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Speaker 4: WHOA, there's a ton of old books here. Yep.

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Speaker 1: Lawyers have to read a lot, Winston.

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Speaker 2: They need to stay up to date on all the

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Speaker 2: of the old one too.

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Speaker 1: And trust me, there are a lot of laws.

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Speaker 4: WHOA, makes sense why there's so many books in here?

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Speaker 4: After all that? But uh, where are we again, Emily Illinois? Right?

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Speaker 2: Yes, Springfield, Illinois, eighteen forty two. And this is a

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Speaker 4: Cool. And who's the man riding at the desk with

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Speaker 4: the beard and tall hat.

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Speaker 1: That is Abraham Lincoln.

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Speaker 4: You've heard of him, right, Abraham Lincoln. But he was

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Speaker 4: a president, not a lawyer.

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Speaker 2: You're right, he was president a great one too, But

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Speaker 2: guess what job he had before he became president.

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Speaker 4: He was a lawyer.

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Speaker 2: That's right. Lincoln was a lawyer for many years before

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Speaker 2: being elected president. In fact, out of the forty six

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Speaker 2: presidents we've had so far in the US, twenty five

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Speaker 2: of them first worked as lawyers.

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Speaker 4: Really, that's more than half.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 2: And you want to know something else, amazing, Abraham Lincoln

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Speaker 2: actually never went to law school.

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Speaker 4: Wait, pumped the breaks, Emily. You said you had to

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Speaker 4: go to law school to pass a test to become

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Speaker 4: a lawyer. So was Abraham Lincoln not a real lawyer?

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Speaker 3: Then?

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Speaker 4: Is everything I know a lie? Did he even have

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: No, No, he was definitely a real lawyer. But here's

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Speaker 2: the crazy part. He taught himself how to be a lawyer.

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Speaker 2: And before that he even taught himself to read and

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Speaker 1: Pretty crazy, right, I thought.

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Speaker 4: My mind couldn't be blown anymore than it was before.

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Speaker 4: So if I'm smart enough, maybe I can skip law

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Speaker 2: Sorry to tell you this, but you can't skip out

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Speaker 1: It was different back.

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Speaker 4: Then, Lucky Lincoln, but all ab must have been a genius.

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Speaker 2: He was a very smart man. But during the eighteen hundreds,

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Speaker 2: most lawyers didn't go to law school, especially if they

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Speaker 4: Well, how could they learn to be lawyers? Then? Did

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Speaker 4: they just have to read lots and lots of books

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Speaker 4: like these? Sorry, mister Lincoln. I'll just put these back

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Speaker 4: on the shelf.

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Speaker 2: Careful with mister Lincoln's books, Winston, maybe you can just

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Speaker 1: So to answer your question.

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Speaker 2: If lawyers don't go to law school, taught by other lawyers,

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Speaker 2: usually a more experienced lawyer, but they still have to

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Speaker 2: read a lot of books to learn about all the laws.

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Speaker 4: So if they learned from other lawyers, and those lawyers

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Speaker 4: learn from other lawyers, and those lawyers learn from other

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Speaker 4: lawyers before them, and.

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Speaker 2: Those lawyers snap out of it, Winston, You're stuck in

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Speaker 2: a lawyer loop.

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Speaker 4: Dank Timily. So if all the lawyers learned from the

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Speaker 4: lawyers before them, who started the lawyer loop?

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Speaker 2: You mean who was the very first lawyer?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I've been trying to say.

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Speaker 1: Actually nobody knows.

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Speaker 4: Wait, nobody, not even you, But you know all the

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Speaker 4: facts about jobs.

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Speaker 1: Nope, not even me.

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Speaker 4: But how could nobody know? I mean, I know who

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Speaker 4: the first president was, and the first person who walked

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Speaker 4: on the moon, and my first grade teacher. But how

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Speaker 4: could nobody know who the first lawyer was?

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Speaker 2: Well, nobody forgot, Winston. The details just weren't recorded back then.

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Speaker 2: The first lawyers were probably from ancient Greece, but they

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Speaker 2: weren't officially allowed to call themselves lawyers back then.

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Speaker 4: Wait, so you mean it was against the law to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sort of.

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Speaker 2: Thousands of years ago in Greece, people who knew the

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Speaker 2: law could help their friends, but they weren't allowed to

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Speaker 4: You mean they gave people advice for free, like as

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Speaker 4: a favor yep.

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Speaker 2: And lawyers today still help people out for free. It's

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Speaker 4: Wow. It sure is nice to them to help people

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Speaker 4: like that.

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Speaker 2: Yep, some lawyers do a lot of good for people

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Speaker 4: Emily, do you think we could visit like a real

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Speaker 4: life courtroom right now?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Winston, Let's go see what it's like to be

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Speaker 2: a lawyer in action.

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Speaker 4: Who check out the man with the hammer. It's the

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Speaker 4: tiniest hammer I've ever seen, but it sure is loud.

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Speaker 2: That tiny hammer is called a gavel. Judges use it

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Speaker 2: in court because it is loud.

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Speaker 1: It's to get people's attention.

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Speaker 4: Well, he sure got my attention, Emily, me too. So

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Speaker 4: this is court. It's way bigger than I thought.

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Speaker 2: Yep, this is a court room. The man with the

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Speaker 2: robe at the tall desk in front is the judge.

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Speaker 2: He's the one in charge. Hey, why don't we pretend

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Speaker 2: to be lawyers?

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Speaker 4: Okay, Emily, where's my evidence?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yes, everything you need to know is all in these papers.

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Speaker 1: Let's begin.

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Speaker 2: I object No, no, no, no, Vincent, no one's even

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Speaker 2: said anything for you to object to.

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Speaker 5: Yet I object to that?

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Speaker 4: I mean, sorry, Emily.

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Speaker 1: Oh it looks like everyone's taking a break for lunch.

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Speaker 4: Aw Man, but I wanted to do another court case.

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Speaker 4: Being a lawyer is fun.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, Wincent, it's time for us to get back to

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Speaker 1: the lab.

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Speaker 4: I object just getting Emily.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for tuning in everyone.

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Speaker 2: Today we discovered how lawyers are like detectives in court,

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Speaker 2: finding clues and asking questions to uncover the truth. Remember,

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Speaker 2: lawyers play a big part in helping people and making

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Speaker 2: the world a better place. Until next time, keep learning

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Speaker 2: and say curious friends.

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Speaker 5: See you next time, Hey Winson.

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