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Speaker 2: You want to be happy for Dake eat a steak?

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Speaker 1: Is that woo woof?

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Speaker 2: And them and tie.

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Speaker 1: Dan Rubinstein, March madness is upon us, my friend, how goes?

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Speaker 2: It's really good. I just I love the NCAA Tournament.

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Speaker 2: I love college basketball. Whatever you have to say about

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Speaker 2: apologies to like the College World Series or women's basketball.

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Speaker 2: I think it is h I love it. I absolutely

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Speaker 1: Right I listen? It is is arguably my favorite four

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Speaker 1: here and talk about a bit of a college football

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Speaker 1: spin on the NCAA tournament, right, you've heard of March Madness.

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Speaker 1: We decided, in the spirit of Brackets, Dan, we're going

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Speaker 2: This is the opposite of Chuck, right, Oh, Chuck is

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Speaker 1: So we both looked into all of these games, right,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four bracket. I guess we're just gonna call

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Speaker 1: this the Cliverbal upset bracket. Here are the four in

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Speaker 1: We've got as a four seed Georgia Tech twenty eight

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Speaker 2: See. I personally would have Vandy over Alabama as the one, okay,

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Speaker 2: Okay, So that you can't really do it in retrospect

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Speaker 2: I just looked it up, Okay, I knew it probably

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Speaker 2: Who put these together? Equal time? Ohio State people do

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Speaker 1: There you have it. It's when we got ye born row.

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Speaker 2: with how Florida State season played out, We're like, oh,

434
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 2: they're kind of like giant killers. They've beaten Miami now

435
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 2: a couple times in a row and four of six matchups,

436
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 2: and there was something scrappy plucky about the all Haines backfields.

437
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,360
Speaker 2: What do you call them? Haines your way, Haines your way.

438
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 2: Excuse me that Georgia Tech with a big, emotional, energetic

439
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 2: character of a coach and Brent Key and sort of

440
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 2: a folk hero name. And Haines King who's been around forever,

441
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 2: Jamal Haynes, a running back who gashes defenses in big games,

442
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,679
Speaker 2: the games at home in Atlanta, and Bobby Dot Like.

443
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 2: There were a number of things, even as a double

444
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 2: digit dog, where there was a Georgia Tech vibe in

445
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 2: this game and they just kept gashing a very average

446
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 2: Miami defense. Mind you, but Miami in the top four,

447
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 2: top five at this point this, I mean, it wasn't

448
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 2: the only game that kept Miami out of the playoff.

449
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 2: It was this game in Syracuse later on in the air. Yeah,

450
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 2: but that Georgia Tech could figure out a way to

451
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 2: win this game without a strong forward passing threat, similar

452
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 2: to Michigans Ohio State.

453
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,400
Speaker 1: He's gonna say, there's it's good that we group these

454
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,679
Speaker 1: two teams or these two upsets together.

455
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,399
Speaker 2: And even more so with Georgia Tech is their recent

456
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 2: lows have been awfully, awfully low. You can't say that

457
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 2: really with Michigan Ohio State. That it's more the emotion

458
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,120
Speaker 2: involved in the rivalry Georgia Tech Miami not a rivalry.

459
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 2: But in terms of how Georgia Tech did this, I

460
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,159
Speaker 2: have this, as you know, a top four upset of

461
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,160
Speaker 2: the season, but I'm going with Michigan Ohio State.

462
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 1: I think we put Michigan Ohio State through. But we also,

463
00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 1: on the topic of Georgia Tech, at least considered putting

464
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: the Georgia Tech then upset of Florida State through, Yes,

465
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,919
Speaker 1: into this. You know, we've got some bubble team, some

466
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 1: bubble upsets that maybe we can talk through later. But

467
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 1: I remember in the moment how shocking that was. Yes,

468
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: And if I recall correctly, one member of the broadcasting

469
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 1: duo here had the foresight to where with all the

470
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: gumption to say in the ACC preview that it wouldn't

471
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,679
Speaker 1: be a shocker if Georgia Tech won that game in

472
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 1: Ireland against Florida State. Now, yeah, maybe I was right

473
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 1: about that. Was not right about Florida State's season. Nobody was.

474
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 1: Nobody saw that one.

475
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 2: I may have had them either winning or playing in

476
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,439
Speaker 2: the ACC Championship game going into.

477
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 1: The nobody had that, Yeah, the season falling apart. So

478
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 1: ultimately I think we pulled that upset from the board

479
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 1: and put this one up instead, because later in the season,

480
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: with all the stakes that were at play, it just

481
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: seemed like this was much more fitting, much more consequential.

482
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 2: There was the thing I would hold against that rivalry

483
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 2: as well, other than the time of year when you

484
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 2: didn't know what Georgia Tech was going to be, you

485
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 2: didn't know what Florida State was going to be. Is

486
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 2: it was so clear in that game that like, Okay,

487
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 2: Georgia Tech does definitely doesn't have like a top three,

488
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 2: four or five defense in the ACC. They just you

489
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 2: can't make that kind of transition year to year, even

490
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 2: with hiring the touch is that who they hired the

491
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 2: teoch right, So we're like, okay, their defense might be improved,

492
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 2: but it's not incredible. Florida State could do nothing on

493
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 2: offense in that game. They were and they I don't

494
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 2: think they do. They not score like after that point

495
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 2: for a number of weeks twenty points, fourteen point something

496
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:36,919
Speaker 2: like that.

497
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I forget the exact stat, but you're right.

498
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 2: It was something clear, even with it being week one,

499
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 2: even with it being overseas, even with Pat McAfee possibly

500
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 2: throwing up in the pregame show.

501
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 1: Or it's in a day leading of me, that's what

502
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:48,479
Speaker 1: they tell me.

503
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 2: They're like, Oh, something's very wrong with this Florida State offense,

504
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 2: and so I take that away from the upset nature

505
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 2: of that game, where it was like clear in the

506
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 2: game maybe Florestay would be a bowl team or something.

507
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 2: They're like, oh, something might be broken with this offense.

508
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 2: It turns out, yes, something was broken with that offense.

509
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: All right, So we're gonna put through the Michigan win

510
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: and we're gonna go to our second matchup here, which

511
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: is between the Northern Illinois win over Notre Dame, Yes,

512
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: and the Vandy win over then number one Alabama. Yes,

513
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 1: I think you probably tipped your hand a little bit

514
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 1: here in that you would have put the Vandy winn

515
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 1: as the number one overall seed. Seeding doesn't really matter

516
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 1: because you know, we only have an limited number of

517
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: games here. But let's talk through how we rank these

518
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,199
Speaker 1: upsets against one another.

519
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 2: So the way NIU won with they picked off Riley

520
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 2: Leonard twice, right and just sort of got enough stops

521
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 2: one in special teams obviously winning on the road and

522
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 2: not going on to have a stellar season at all,

523
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 2: where it was just a magical day in Northern Indiana

524
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,880
Speaker 2: for NIU, not affecting Notre Dame season. That loss didn't

525
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 2: keep Notre Dame out of anything, away from anything. They

526
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 2: had the opportunity to just put it in the rear

527
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 2: view mirror and win a bunch of games, which they did.

528
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 2: Their margin for err was less because if you lose

529
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 2: twice and one of them is NIU, good luck. But

530
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 2: in retrospect didn't really change Notre Dame season all that much.

531
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 2: But the idea that a MAC team again, a smaller

532
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 2: conference team to go to Notre Dame or a smaller

533
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 2: program considerably, whether it was you know Marshall or USF

534
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 2: many years ago, or Stanford and Marcus Freeman's first season

535
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 2: astounding when NIU accomplished in South Bend.

536
00:28:54,200 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: It is. I remember watching this game and feeling completely

537
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: different yeah, than I did watching the Vanderbilt game against Alabama,

538
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: because the Vandy Alabama game went to overtime, there were

539
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: a lot of points, there was a lot of weirdness

540
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: that transpired in that game, and it really felt like

541
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: you were on the edge of your seat, whereas a

542
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: Northern Illinois game, and again I'm a little bit biased

543
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: speaking as a Notre Dame fan, it was one of

544
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: those deals where you're yelling at the TV do something yes,

545
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: do something. What are we doing here? It didn't feel

546
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: like there was a game plan. It didn't feel like

547
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: Riley Leonard. But I mean there was speculation that Riley

548
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: had been concussed in that game. He played like it

549
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: even if he wasn't. Nothing Notre Dame tried to do

550
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: was working. It just felt like they were stuck in neutral.

551
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: And this is a week after they beat Texas A

552
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: and M right, so it was like, what are we

553
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: doing here? What is going on? Is this a letdown?

554
00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: Is this a look ahead? Is this a little bit

555
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: of both? It was hard to tell on the Notre

556
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: Dame side. So just in terms of like a neutral,

557
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: third party observer, I have to believe that if you're

558
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: one of them, you would pick the Vandy game because

559
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: that was just a lot more fun to watch. I

560
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: think the optics were better too, in terms of a

561
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: college football upset, because you had the fans storming the field,

562
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: you had them tearing down the goalpost, you had them

563
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: marching the goalpost down and Chucky Art to the river. Yeah,

564
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: you know, shortly after the win. So there were a

565
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: bunch of other like social media moments, let's say that

566
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: followed that game, forty to thirty five out Alabama losing

567
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: on the road to Vandy. That I think probably elevates

568
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: it a little bit more than Northern Illinois knocking off

569
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: Notre Dame.

570
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 2: The thing I loved about and IU Notre Dame other

571
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 2: than an IU Notre Dame was it was a really

572
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 2: good ticker game. It was a really good Marcie playground.

573
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 2: Is that who sings sex and candy hanging around? That's

574
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 2: right where you're watching something else. If you're not a

575
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 2: Notre Dame fan or an IU fan or just had

576
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 2: money on this game, I don't know why, like a

577
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 2: neutral observer would be like, this is the game I'm watching.

578
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 2: I don't remember what it was up against, but you're

579
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 2: looking at the ticker and you're like, ooh, can I

580
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 2: use up at halftime? Ooh, I'm filing that away. And

581
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 2: then I think Notre Dame scored in the third quarter

582
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 2: and went up thirteen ten or something, fourteen ten, and

583
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: they didn't make a show of it, and they didn't

584
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 2: turn that ticker score quickly into thirty four fourteen or something,

585
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: and so that I always enjoy those where you're just like,

586
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 2: at a certain point, I'm gonna have to change the

587
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 2: channel because there is six minutes left and this game

588
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 2: score isn't where it should be and what is going

589
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 2: on now? I always appreciate that.

590
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And it was fourteen thirteen. Notre Dame scored

591
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: about midway through the third quarter and then it was scoreless. Yeah,

592
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: it was scoreless pretty much the entire rest of the

593
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: way until Northern Illinois kicked a field goal with about

594
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: thirty seconds left, the thirty five yarder after.

595
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 2: And that's kind of the best way to upset a team, right,

596
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 2: it is because it made beat Alabama very much in

597
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 2: an Alabama explosive, consistent offensive way, Like Vandy looked like

598
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 2: a top fifteen team against Alabama. And I couldn't do

599
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 2: much on offense. It was special teams, it was defense,

600
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 2: but it was That's sort of like a really interesting

601
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 2: upset formula where you look up and there's a no

602
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 2: hitter in the sixth inning, even though this pitcher has

603
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 2: been given up line drive after line drive, but like, well,

604
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 2: it keeps going to the second basement.

605
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, they didn't do much. It was a bunch of

606
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: plays from Ontario Brown. Yeah, who had a long touchdown

607
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: early had you know, had one hundred and twenty six

608
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: yards in a touchdown in the receiving game as well.

609
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: So this was this was a very very strange game

610
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: for Notre Dame.

611
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 2: It does it does beat Vandy Alabama in terms of

612
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 2: program size discrepancy. That's the big advantage in terms of

613
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 2: like selecting an upset. And the line was near thirty

614
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 2: points twenty I believe, So it's a four touchdown plus

615
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 2: line four and a half. Yeah, four touchdown plus, so

616
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 2: that that gets it points, whereas I believe Vandy Alabama

617
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 2: was right around twenty. Yeah, that one'll look it up.

618
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: It that one ended up being twenty two and a half.

619
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 2: Twenty two and a half, Okay, So you do get

620
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 2: points for that, and you do get points for it

621
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 2: being on the road. But because the in retrospect thing

622
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 2: of Notre Dame just destroyed everybody else basically on their schedule,

623
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 2: you're like, well, it doesn't feel as impactful as Vandy

624
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 2: Alabama because Alabama went on to be very good in

625
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 2: some games and obviously struggled in a couple other games,

626
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 2: and Oklahoma upset whatever, and Vandy established itself as a

627
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 2: clear Bowl team. But I think the history and the

628
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 2: baggage of Vandy Alabama bringing in you know, Diego Pavia,

629
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 2: who was mister upset against what both Liberty and Auburn,

630
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 2: following Hugh Freeze around tormenting him like Jerry Kill's been

631
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 2: all over the sport. Clark Lee had started out his

632
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 2: career at Vandy and disappointing fashion, and like this has

633
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 2: always like been a Vandy program that even when they

634
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 2: show life, they're like, oh, they kind of float back

635
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 2: to earth and go six and six or something. That

636
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 2: Vandy was able to withstand the best of Ryan Williams,

637
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 2: who was great as a as everybody knows seventeen year old,

638
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 2: that Vandy was able to do that and not luck

639
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 2: into this game at all. They just flat out beat Alabama.

640
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 2: They ice this game, making winning plays with the ball.

641
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 2: It wasn't you know, a pick six at the end

642
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 2: of the game for a shocking ending. It was taking

643
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 2: care of business with their own version of excelsior and

644
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 2: high leverage moments. And so that's why that they looked

645
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 2: like a big boy in the upset. I think I'm

646
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 2: giving them the edge.

647
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I go Vandy knocking off Alabama in

648
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: part because it was number one Alabama, and also because

649
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: this was I think the first time in the history

650
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: of the Vanderbilt program that they had beaten a top

651
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: five team. They were zero to sixty who going into

652
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: that game against top five opponents, and they hadn't beaten

653
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: Alabama on their field in forty years. So there was

654
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: a lot of like neck cracking going on after this one,

655
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: or to finally get that out of your system.

656
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 2: This was also the week after Bama Georgia, so that

657
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 2: game was so it's a letdown moment considering the ending

658
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 2: of that game, but that game was also like an

659
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 2: interesting proof of concept for Alabama and Kalin Debor that

660
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 2: like they could jump out to a big lead, they

661
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,280
Speaker 2: could let a team back in it as good as Georgia,

662
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 2: as good as we thought Georgia was at that time,

663
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 2: and make the necessary plays at the end of the

664
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,439
Speaker 2: game to like, oh there's still Alabama winning DNA kind

665
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 2: of thing, and like, Okay, they figured it out. They're

666
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 2: you know, they're they're in a nice place moving forward

667
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 2: with Kylend worn Alabama and immediately lost to Vandy.

668
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: So all right, we'll put Vandy through. Yeah, by the way,

669
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 1: I screwed up Ontario Brown Oh no, it was an

670
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: eighty three yard pass and then on top of it

671
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: he ran for about one hundred yards, so he was

672
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: he was kind of the main offensive weapon for NIU

673
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: in that win over Notre Dame. Don't mean to do disrespecting,

674
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: of course.

675
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 2: And we have the was it Tom hammock?

676
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: The Tom Hammock? Yeah, the Tom Hawling.

677
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 2: Marcus Freeman after the game, and I'm saying like, hey,

678
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 2: we uh, we noticed a couple of vulnerabilities in the armor.

679
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: In the Death Star. Yeah, yeah, all right, So who

680
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 1: we putting through between Michigan's win over Ohio State and

681
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,280
Speaker 1: Vandy's win over Alabama.

682
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 2: Michigan, I'm putting in. I'm putting Michigan through in terms

683
00:36:58,920 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 2: of an upset.

684
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: Ya what you would have put Vandy Alabama as the

685
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: one seed. Yeah, but now as we think back on this,

686
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: we're putting Michigan through anyway.

687
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,879
Speaker 2: So I forgot about the Sacario thing until I brought

688
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 2: it up.

689
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: Okay, is the Cacario thing the tiebreaker for you?

690
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 2: No, the actual tiebreaker is Calin de Boorr felt heat

691
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 2: after losing to Vanderbilt, certainly after losing to Oklahoma. Not

692
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 2: making the playoff in year one, and I'm sure feels

693
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 2: an immense amount of pressure on like what he's ever

694
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 2: felt before as a head coach or assistant coach. Right,

695
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 2: but it was his first season, Ryan Day, and it

696
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 2: was Shirl Moore's first season of course for Michigan. But

697
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:46,720
Speaker 2: Ryan Day basically has he's been an undoubtedly excellent coach

698
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 2: college football coach, like nearly bulletproof. And he's lost these

699
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 2: Michigan games and we basically got to the point of saying,

700
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 2: he lost this game to a five hundred or so team,

701
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 2: and he must go. His record is three hundred and

702
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 2: forty one and four and we really wish it was

703
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 2: three forty three and two. So that to me, like

704
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:19,760
Speaker 2: the the angst and ajita and emotion around that specific upset,

705
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 2: like you still still feel the tremors. Whereas Vandy is

706
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 2: a great one off story over Bama. That's a perfect

707
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 2: kind of upset. But the hilarity of Michigan doing it

708
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 2: the aftershocks and tremors and that they won the national championship.

709
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 2: Ohio State won the national championship and still lost this

710
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 2: very average Michigan team, and Ohio State fans are like, yeah,

711
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 2: that was great that he won, but like, can't do

712
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 2: it on that kind of path. Look, it's so funny

713
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 2: and weird.

714
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: Dan, We're going to talk through three more groupings of upsets.

715
00:38:58,640 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 1: We got one more that we're going to do on

716
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: the episode. I'm inclined to put Michigan through against all

717
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: of them. Now, we may have a disagreement, and you

718
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 1: may talk me out of that, but as I look

719
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: up and down this list, we've got a bunch of

720
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: really good upsets here. This one to me even thinking back,

721
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: and maybe there's a little bit of recency bias. Okay, yep,

722
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: that's a real thing, even looking back to me. This

723
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 1: is the biggest upset. This is your biggest upset because

724
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: there is this whole element of huh, what how? Why?

725
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: So many questions that came as a result of Michigan winning.

726
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: I still don't really know how it happened. I don't know.

727
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: That's just me. But I'll put it through.

728
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 2: We got to put it through, all right, quick, bubble,

729
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 2: last two upsets out for twenty twenty four. Oh, we've

730
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 2: got a bubble. Okay, I've got a bubble. Yeah, good,

731
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 2: Or I guess it would be a fart, right, a

732
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 2: stinky bubble. Sure, Kentucky over ole Miss twenty to seventeen. Yes,

733
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 2: that was the indefensible loss that kept ole Miss out

734
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 2: of ole Miss out. Yeah, because of how good they

735
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:09,879
Speaker 2: were on both sides of the ball, how talented they were,

736
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 2: what they looked like in victory is now. The end

737
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 2: of the Florida game was not pretty of course for

738
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 2: ole Miss Kentucky with that being their lone SEC win

739
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 2: directly and explicitly affecting the college football and SEC race.

740
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 2: That's perfect to me on the road I believe in Oxford. Yeah,

741
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 2: Kentucky being legitimately bad at college football this season, especially

742
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 2: on offense, that to me was It's just worth mentioning

743
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 2: that they were considered also knessas State twenty seven, Liberty

744
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 2: twenty four. In Kennisaw's first FBS season, they've only had

745
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 2: one coach I believe in the entirety of their program's history,

746
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 2: who stepped down after they started one to eight with

747
00:40:55,400 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 2: the one win over Liberty who the previous season was

748
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 2: in the I think it was the Festival. Yes, against Oregon, right,

749
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 2: they were the like the G five representative in the

750
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 2: New Year six games, New Year six game, they played

751
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 2: a pretty bad game against Kennessau State the OWLS and

752
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 2: this may was it a Thursday night, Friday night? I

753
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 2: think it was a midweek game that Kennisaw just randomly

754
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, we're not great, but you know we

755
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 2: can we can hang with some goofs and beat Liberty.

756
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 2: And Liberty didn't play well. Kennisaw found some magic and

757
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 2: consistently good held off Liberty, who made a charge late.

758
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 2: I just have to put that in there as an

759
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 2: upset because Kennisaw was not good this year, and nor

760
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,439
Speaker 2: should they have been in their first season. That's really

761
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 2: tough in terms of an ask. So that's where I'm

762
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 2: going there.

763
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: No, I listen, I think you're right to call that

764
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: one out. Liberty was a huge favorite in that game.

765
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: They were favored by twenty seven points, twenty eight points

766
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: somewhere in the neighborhood. And it was also fell at

767
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 1: a point in the season where I feel like there

768
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: was just so much else going on it was easy

769
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: to overlook this one. Liberty at that point in time

770
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: was not necessarily a team we were talking about as

771
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: potentially a G five representative in the playoff. But obviously

772
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: they entered this season with some of those expectations, So

773
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: it just it didn't work out for them. At that

774
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 1: point in the season, it was October twenty third, obviously

775
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: it was clear it wasn't going to come to fruition.

776
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: But either because we had overlooked Liberty and some of

777
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: their playoff chances, or because Kennesaw State was a nice

778
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: story taking the step up to FBS, or you know,

779
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: being part of this in their first full season, but

780
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: certainly not a team that we were talking a whole

781
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: lot about because there weren't expectations at all for the Owl.

782
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: So for them to pull off this upset, it just

783
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: kind of slipped under the radar and it was It

784
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: was crazy in its own right, but not necessarily one

785
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: that had national ramifications.

786
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 2: So the week before the game before, Kennesaus scored five

787
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 2: points against Middle Tennessee, a three to nine team in

788
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 2: Conference USA.

789
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: All right, so we're putting Michigan through yep, let's go

790
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: to twenty twenty one. So here are the four upsets

791
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 1: that we pulled out for twenty twenty one. Our number

792
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 1: one seed in this subgrouping is Stanford beating your Oregon

793
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: Ducks thirty one twenty four in overtime.

794
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 2: I've had some down moments as an Oregon fan that

795
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 2: was in that grouping.

796
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:34,240
Speaker 1: Yep, they will be squaring off against Bowling Green miraculously

797
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: knocking off Minnesota fourteen to ten. The other matchup in

798
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: this grouping is Jacksonville State twenty, Florida State seventeen. Remember

799
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: that game.

800
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 2: You got a Hail Mary in that one and.

801
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: Kansas fifty seven Texas fifty six in overtime.

802
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, led to a viral solid verbal tweet. If I

803
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 2: remember correctly, it was something like it was a map

804
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 2: of the United States, and it was I said, geo

805
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 2: geographically mapping all of Kansas's twenty twenty one It was

806
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty one right twenty twenty one FBS wins,

807
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,439
Speaker 2: and it was just a dot over Austin dot because

808
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,240
Speaker 2: I think they beat South Dakota to open the season.

809
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 2: It lost every other game, but scored fifty seven in

810
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 2: an overtime winning effort against Texas. I loved I loved that.

811
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: Do you agree with the seating on this? Okay, so

812
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: repeat it once again as we look this up and down.

813
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: Oregon was the number three team in the country, I believe.

814
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: Losing to Stanford, it was bad. Stanford team. Yeah, I've

815
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: got that as the number one, just because I think

816
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: that was the most consequential game.

817
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 2: So three to nine Stanford team that they lost to

818
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 2: in a no atmosphere Stanford Stadium.

819
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. So we've got that is the one,

820
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 1: I think just because it was the most consequential nationally speaking. Okay,

821
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 1: I've got Jacksonville State over Florida State is a two.

822
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: I've got Kansas over Texas as the three, and I've

823
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: got Bowling Green over Minnesota as the four. Now, actually,

824
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: the Bowling Green Minnesota game in its own right, it

825
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: was a pretty big deal.

826
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 2: It was the widest spread, right of those games.

827
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: It was something like thirty thirty one points, yes, in

828
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: favor of Minnesota, and they still found a way to

829
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 1: lose that game. So that was a shocker just in

830
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: terms of big school small school bigger school smaller schools

831
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: and the point spread. You know, you factor that in.

832
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 1: That's that's got to play a role here. So we've

833
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: got the Stanford game going up against the Bowling Green game,

834
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: and then the Jacksonville State game going up against Kansas

835
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: and Texas.

836
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 2: I might put the Jacksonville State Florida State upset as

837
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 2: the number one, just because in terms of the point

838
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 2: scored for Florida State, an unacceptably low number, which I

839
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 2: guess Florida eight fans have gotten used to. That was

840
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 2: Mackenzie Milton Florida State. They made a change later on

841
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 2: in the season, obviously to Jordan Travis in twenty two.

842
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 2: Jacksonville State FCS team at the time. That's right, this

843
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 2: is pre Rich Rod. So you can't even say like, oh, well,

844
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 2: you know they've got this like much more experienced, much

845
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 2: more accomplished coach. I believe Jacksonville State ended up firing

846
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 2: their coach just like the Bribal Hannon situation. Will he

847
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 2: stepped down to John Grass. John Grass always love with

848
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:31,240
Speaker 2: my coach. Is shares a name with the playing surface.

849
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,240
Speaker 2: I don't know how else to rectify referencing John Grass.

850
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 2: But Jacksonville State the manner in which they won, with

851
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 2: that deep pass which had kind of a crab tree

852
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 2: Texas tech vibe, and that he ended up near the

853
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 2: sideline the receiver did and slammed on the brakes and

854
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 2: then cut inside and was unable to be tackled by

855
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 2: Florida State that it was such a low moment for

856
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 2: or the outlook of Mike Norvell's future with Florida State,

857
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 2: even though was those I think it was his second season,

858
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 2: early on in Norvell's career, and it didn't get started

859
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 2: off in a great way in twenty twenty. But obviously

860
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 2: you got to cut him some slack for, you know,

861
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 2: starting your first huge coaching job in twenty twenty. That

862
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 2: Jacksonville say was able to pull that off. It's just

863
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 2: on a different level. The game was in tallasse Yes.

864
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

865
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 2: The Stanford Orgon game was bad. Stavid Shaw Tanner McKee like.

866
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 2: It wasn't a good Stanford team at all. I think

867
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 2: it was Shaw's second to last season at Stanford. There

868
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 2: were some good players for Stanford. It was just a

869
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 2: team that didn't have a defense, I don't believe, and

870
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 2: not any sort of offensive consistency. The other thing that

871
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 2: involved in that game not an excuse. Oregon still should

872
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 2: have won. Should have taken care of business. Joe Moorehead

873
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 2: was not the coordinator in that game. Joe Morehead had

874
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 2: to have like emergency surgery. I don't know if it

875
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 2: was an infection or I think it was this or something. Yeah,

876
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 2: he needed did an appendectomy. It was an appendectomy, it was,

877
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 2: yeah something and he won those lines.

878
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, he needed the emergency surgery because he had it.

879
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, even full on die if you're appendix person, it's

880
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 2: not treated, ye of course.

881
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 1: And then I think we found out later that after

882
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: the fact, like he kind of rushed it back to

883
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: be the coach again, to do his thing. He still

884
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: wasn't fully one hundred percent or even anywhere close to that,

885
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 1: but he did come back shortly afterwards. Yes, to the point,

886
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 1: Yeah he was. He was dealing with that amid this game.

887
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 2: And Oregon is an Anthony Brown Oregon team is.

888
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown Oregon. I believe there was an injury to

889
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: c J. Verdell.

890
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 2: Okay, but but even still, this is a team that

891
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 2: went to Columbus and beat him. He even still got

892
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 2: to go to Stanford.

893
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 1: And beat him. Right, there were number three, They were

894
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: the number three team and they lost.

895
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 2: This was the first time. I'll make it personal, because

896
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 2: that's what this is what I do. I remember watching

897
00:48:53,840 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 2: this and immediately being so crestfallen and disappointed and disgusted

898
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 2: that I was like, you know what I now have.

899
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 2: This was what September October whatever, was twenty twenty one.

900
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: Yep.

901
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 2: At that point, I had like a six or seven

902
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 2: month old. I was like, I'm just gonna go wrestle

903
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 2: with him, like I need something in my hands that

904
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 2: makes me feel like this is a smaller deal than

905
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 2: it feeling like right now. And so I threw my

906
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 2: six month old around and had a great time. And

907
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 2: that was that was a healthy dose of perspective. And

908
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 2: so that that thus began my career of using my

909
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 2: children as emotional props when I'm not feeling good about

910
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 2: something else in my life.

911
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: I'm inclined to put this one through, but I do

912
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: think we need to give Bowling Green some props. Oh

913
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,879
Speaker 1: my god, yes, because this this upset was truly out

914
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: of left field. It was almost hands Morgan out of

915
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 1: left field. Yeah, it was Morgan Tanner. Morgan was there

916
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: for like eighty five years. Yeah, but Bowling Green going

917
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: to Minneapolis and knocking off Minutnnesota. Then early in the year,

918
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: it was at the end of September. Again, the points

919
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: spread was enormous. This isn't one that I think is

920
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,760
Speaker 1: going to conjure up memories for most of the people listening,

921
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,919
Speaker 1: unless you were a Minnesota fan or maybe a Big

922
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: Ten fan. By extension, this isn't something that comes to mind.

923
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: It wasn't for me. I had to look it up.

924
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:21,839
Speaker 1: But when you go back through and look at what

925
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: was at stake here, and just the fact that the

926
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: spread seemed to be so drastically different, the fact that

927
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 1: Bowling Green pulled this one off was crazy.

928
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 2: This was twenty twenty one. I don't think Minnesota really recovered.

929
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 2: I don't know if you can look at pull up

930
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 2: the schedule right now. I think it was a down

931
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 2: year from Minnesota. Like it's it was not a good

932
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 2: twenty one. The fun thing was Bowling Green at least

933
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 2: while Scott Leffler was there until like an hour and

934
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 2: a half ago. I think they beat Georgia Tech. Since then,

935
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 2: yeah right, yeah, they've made bowl games.

936
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 1: They were last year.

937
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 2: I was gonna say they featured one of the most

938
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 2: dominant offensive players in the sport, and that had been

939
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,760
Speaker 2: a program that was like a perennial one and eleven team.

940
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 2: So to exercise the years upon years of demons. If

941
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 2: you're a Falcons fan and go to a Big ten,

942
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 2: a successful winning Big ten team stadium as a thirty

943
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 2: point dog and come out of there again. Fourteen to

944
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,919
Speaker 2: ten was the final fourteen to ten. It also had

945
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 2: the feel I remember this one. It also had that

946
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 2: feel of a ticker game. You're like, what's the score

947
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 2: right now?

948
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: Time?

949
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 2: Third quarter, and it's what So I'm inclined to put

950
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,760
Speaker 2: a lot of respect on that upset for Bowling Green,

951
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 2: even if it is not quite three to nine Stanford

952
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 2: beating Oregon. It was an Oregon team that was I

953
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 2: think it was very good. But it was Mario's last season.

954
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 2: He got shelled by Utah twice in three weeks to

955
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 2: finish things out, was forced to give an awkward press

956
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 2: conference ahead of an Alible Bowl he knew he wasn't

957
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 2: coaching in. I remember the all time favorite moment.

958
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: All right, putting that one through. We gotta we got

959
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: to put that one through the organ, the organ loss.

960
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 2: Right, Ah, Yeah, that's yeah, Okay, I.

961
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: Think we got to put that one.

962
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 2: Was a thirty point dog.

963
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 1: It was a thirty point dog. But this wasn't nearly

964
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: as good a Minnesota team as That's true. Yeah, And

965
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 1: also that Oregon loss, that one went to overtime.

966
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 2: And Oregon's rank two I think has to play a role.

967
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 1: It has to it has. That was just a better game.

968
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 2: Yep.

969
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: Jacksonville State beating Florida State, an FCS over Florida State

970
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 1: versus Kansas beating Texas in overtime. This is a crazy matchup. Okay,

971
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 1: this is a crazy matchup. I can tell you what

972
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: I remember. These are personal anecdotes.

973
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 2: I watched both of these very closely. Yeah, we both did.

974
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 1: These are personal anecdotes here. Okay, you did kind of

975
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: the deeper dive as to what transpired within these games.

976
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 1: But I remember the Florida State situation, and this wasn't

977
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: all that long ago. Florida State in twenty twenty, when

978
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: Mike norvel took over, that was a rocky situation. Remember

979
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 1: they were like culture issues within Florida.

980
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 2: State, and they got rectified. They cleared the air, and

981
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 2: I think he did a pretty good job of, you know,

982
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 2: airing everything else.

983
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 1: Absolutely No, absolutely did, yeah, completely did. Was able to

984
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: turn that thing around. And that's part of why Jordan

985
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: Travis like was so I think important to that program.

986
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: He was part of that project with Mike Norvelly, was

987
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,879
Speaker 1: there from the beginning, and it just took a while

988
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 1: to turn it around, but it still was kind of

989
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 1: a rocky start and then to lose to Jacksonville State.

990
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: There was a very real sentiment out there, at least

991
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: among people that wrote into us. I remember just wondering, like,

992
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 1: is this the dude is guy? Where are we headed here?

993
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: If we're losing to schools like Jacksonville State, This is

994
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: not at all what the plan was going to be.

995
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: Remember this was on the heels of like Jimbo leaving

996
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 1: and they're being this I think prevailing sense within the

997
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 1: Florida State program that change was needed. Orvelle was going

998
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 1: to be the guy hopefully to do that, but to

999
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:21,240
Speaker 1: lose a game like this, it was just a huge

1000
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: black guy, especially at home, especially at home. And then

1001
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 1: you consider some of what I think you brought up

1002
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 1: with big school small school, the disparity. The budget at

1003
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: Jacksonville State was eighteen million dollars for its entire athletic program.

1004
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: Florida State's was something like one hundred and fifty million dollars.

1005
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 1: I may not have those numbers exact, but there was

1006
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: a pretty big disparity just in terms of spend as

1007
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: you might expect FCS versus big time FBS program. So

1008
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 1: it was not a good Florida State team that season.

1009
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,399
Speaker 1: It was better Jacksonville State School, for whatever that's worth

1010
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 1: on the FCS ranks. But this one, to me was

1011
00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 1: just so ridiculously shocking that it happened and bilding on

1012
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: some of what I think was already kind of a

1013
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,359
Speaker 1: bit of turmoil with Norbelle and what happened in your one.

1014
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 1: This one, to me, I'm inclined to put this one.

1015
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 2: Through Jacksonville State with going into the fourth quarter, punted

1016
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 2: it after going three plays negative seventeen yards, down ten points,

1017
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:23,760
Speaker 2: and won this game.

1018
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then there was the Hail Mary.

1019
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 2: And then you have this singular play, which is the

1020
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 2: thing I have down here, Like, was there that special

1021
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 2: moment and arguably the biggest special moment of any of

1022
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:37,879
Speaker 2: these games I'm talking about here was that pass from

1023
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 2: I think it was Zaric Cooper, the Clemson transcerper to

1024
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 2: Jacksonville State. I think this was the day I learned

1025
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 2: that Jacksonville State was not in Jacksonville, Florida personally, be

1026
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 2: for myself here, I don't know why, anyway, that was

1027
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 2: nice for me to learn in twenty twenty one as

1028
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 2: an FCS team. So yes, it was the same regular moment.

1029
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 2: It was year two. It was now like the most

1030
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 2: celebrated up and coming coach as offensive coordinator for Florida State,

1031
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 2: and Kenny Dillingham. Yeah, yeah, Mackenzie Milton was not the answer.

1032
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 2: He got replaced by Jordan Travis. I think a couple

1033
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 2: games later for I want to say it was either

1034
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 2: Louisville or Syracuse, and Florida State had players, had decent players.

1035
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,839
Speaker 2: It was a good Jayshawn corbyin game. It was a

1036
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:27,280
Speaker 2: crazy penalized game, so it was pretty a rhythmic. Jacksonville

1037
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 2: State Florida State combined for twenty four penalties for over

1038
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 2: two hundred and thirty or so yards combined. So it

1039
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 2: just it had that feel of like every time Florida

1040
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 2: State looked like they were going to build on a lead,

1041
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 2: they kind of shot themselves in the foot. And Jacksonville

1042
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 2: State had a couple long well, had the long drive

1043
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 2: and then got the ball back for the long play.

1044
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 2: And it was an unfathomable upset to me at the

1045
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 2: time that Jacksonville State could do it and go into

1046
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:57,919
Speaker 2: Florida State.

1047
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:03,879
Speaker 1: So yeah, at the time, yeah, now, speaking of unfathomable, Noah,

1048
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: the Kansas went over Texas was pretty wild too. Oh man, Okay,

1049
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: so you got to understand the circumstance here. This is

1050
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 1: why doing a little bit of the background study and

1051
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: understanding where these games fell within a team's season, within

1052
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: a team's story arc for that year, that's where this

1053
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: is important. Because Texas was struggling. This is not a

1054
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: great Texas team, but Kansas was worse. Kansas was way worse.

1055
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 1: This is a two to ten Kansas team. I think

1056
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 1: at the end of the season, and I think we've

1057
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: now come to respect Lancelypole, but these were early days

1058
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 1: for lance Lypole at Kansas. We didn't know if he

1059
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 1: was gonna be able to turn things around in the

1060
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 1: manner that he has So Texas, which constantly was kind

1061
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: of the butt of this joke, as is Texas back, No,

1062
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 1: they're not back. I remember telling a lot of that

1063
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: joke this season because it again was not a great

1064
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: Texas team this season. That season, Oh that's it, Okay,

1065
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 1: not this season, that season.

1066
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 2: Casey Thompson season for Texas.

1067
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:16,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was an absolute mess for Texas to lose

1068
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 1: this game and for Kansas to win, and I guess

1069
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: maybe it was a harbinger of what was to come

1070
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 1: for Kansas. Obviously, they have built themselves up nicely and

1071
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 1: the program is seeing a bit of a berth now underly,

1072
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: and so I pulled. But this was just like the

1073
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: ultimate punchline later in the season. It was insult to

1074
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: injury for Texas for a season that I had already

1075
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 1: come off the skids.

1076
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 2: I'm in love with this game. So Kansas goes one

1077
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 2: and eleven.

1078
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: One and eleven, I said two and ten.

1079
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 2: I'm sy excuse me. They beat in South Dakota and

1080
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 2: they beat Texas. They have one FBS, one FBS win.

1081
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 2: That's right, one FBS win. So in this game, this

1082
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 2: is sort of, I believe, like the starting debut of

1083
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 2: Jalen Daniels, and that is a third string quarterback. It

1084
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 2: went Jason Bean into Miles Kendrick. Bean is beat up

1085
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 2: and ineffective. Kendrick is beat up and can't go one.

1086
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 2: Jalen Daniels comes in in relief, throws three touchdowns, including

1087
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 2: two I think it was a walk on tight end

1088
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 2: for the win. Jared Casey. So you add in third

1089
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 2: string walk on only FBS win on the road. Dropping

1090
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 2: fifty offense hadn't been good in twenty twenty one for Kansas.

1091
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 2: I think Casey Thompson threw six touchdowns in this game

1092
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 2: for Texas, and yet Texas, I think it was the

1093
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 2: middle of the field on defense, could not figure Kansas out,

1094
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 2: could not It was just wide open. Devin Neil I

1095
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 2: think had himself a game against the Longhorns. The defense

1096
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 2: was just a nightmare. They could not figure out this

1097
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 2: Kansas offense. And crazy to think about now. But I

1098
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 2: don't know how, Like I don't know how this happened truly.

1099
00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 2: The next two years, Sark lit into Kansas for whatever

1100
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 2: he felt in twenty twenty one. I think they combined

1101
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 2: to score like ninety five points in the next two

1102
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 2: seasons combined. And you knew it was important. You knew

1103
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 2: it was personal to him, and there was the early

1104
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 2: version of Sark at Texas had that reputation of jumping

1105
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 2: out to big leads and giving them away and not

1106
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 2: looking good in the second halves and overtimes. Texas couldn't

1107
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 2: get it done in the second half. I don't They

1108
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 2: tied it late to send it to overtime, couldn't get

1109
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 2: it done in overtime, and Kansas somehow, some way, and

1110
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 2: this is another one of those situations where they were

1111
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 2: such a joke for so long that to be able

1112
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 2: to win this game against Texas in Austin, I think

1113
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 2: it's my number one.

1114
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 1: I think you can make that case. I mean the

1115
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 1: other thing that we should call out. And I know

1116
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 1: I kind of alluded to this.

1117
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 2: But one in ten against FBS teams.

1118
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 1: One in ten against FBS teams Lands yah Ipol's first season,

1119
01:00:56,840 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 1: Steve Sarkisians first season. Yeah, all right, so these were

1120
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 1: the two coaches that were trying to take over something

1121
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 1: of a rebuild at their respective schools. Obviously, the Kansas

1122
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 1: season did not go well, but the Texas season did

1123
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 1: not go well either. I've referenced that a couple times.

1124
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 1: This happened in the middle of a six game losing

1125
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 1: streak for sark towards the latter half of the season.

1126
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 1: They ended up finishing five and seven. They didn't make

1127
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 1: a bowl. Kansas obviously didn't either totally. But just the

1128
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 1: fact that Kansas could find a way to pull off

1129
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 1: this upset, just the fact that they were able, as

1130
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 1: you said, to be running free for a good chunk

1131
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 1: of this game. There were a ton of points that

1132
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 1: did go to overtime. As you mentioned, the stats were

1133
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 1: kind of pinball numbers across the board. I think I

1134
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 1: am with you. I think I am with you. The

1135
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 1: Jacksonville State one was shocking, but it was earlier in

1136
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 1: the year. At this point in the season, one of

1137
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 1: the concerns that you have is that all the shock

1138
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 1: value is gone, like if you don't have a team

1139
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 1: that you were rooting for, and maybe your team's already

1140
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 1: out of it. One of the main reasons we watch

1141
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 1: college football this late in the season is we're hoping

1142
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 1: for upsets like this. Yes, Texas wasn't highly ranked. Obviously,

1143
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 1: there's a little bit more meat on the bone if

1144
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 1: you're talking about a ranked team that's playing for something

1145
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 1: in the postseason, ie the Michigan Ohio State game. This

1146
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 1: game was not that. But this game was shocking in

1147
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 1: its own right because Kansas had been a perennial doormat

1148
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 1: and Texas was trying to get over being the butt

1149
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 1: of that joke. And the fact that they didn't and

1150
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 1: the fact that they couldn't in this game against one

1151
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 1: of the worst teams in college football, to me, was

1152
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 1: was mind blowing. So I think I put him through

1153
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 1: I think even though the Jacksonville State win over Florida

1154
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 1: State was something else, I'm inclined to go Kansas and

1155
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 1: it's win over Texas, putting it through to square off

1156
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 1: against Stanford and it's win over Oregon.

1157
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 2: This is sort of separate, but I do I like

1158
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 2: the opportunity to note that in this season, sarclous this game.

1159
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 2: Sark and Texas lost this game and jumped out to

1160
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 2: a twenty eight to seven lead against Oklahoma. Oklahoma brings

1161
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 2: in Caleb Williams off the bench for an inconsistent at

1162
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 2: best Spencer Rattler and ineffective Spencer Rattler comes back and

1163
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 2: wins the game despite Texas having Casey Thompson throw five

1164
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 2: touchdowns and zero picks have be Jean Robinson go for

1165
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 2: seven yards per carry and Xavier Worthy go for two

1166
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty yards. Future like very good NFL receiver.

1167
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 2: I think he's good. Right he placed with the Chiefs, Dave,

1168
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 2: you're Worthy?

1169
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yea. How do you lose?

1170
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 2: That defense needed a moment and they got there. But man,

1171
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:35,920
Speaker 2: year one, five and seven you said was what they did?

1172
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 2: One that's a stretch. That was a stretch for.

1173
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:42,440
Speaker 1: Sark It's even crazier if you think about where Texas

1174
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 1: is at now. Of course, you know Texas has obviously

1175
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 1: turned itself around, and this is a program very much

1176
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 1: in the zeitgeist. Losing to Kansas in year one, it's

1177
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, all right, we're putting Kansas flip.

1178
01:03:58,640 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 2: I'm putting Kansas Town.

1179
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 1: So that brings us to I guess the final question

1180
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 1: of this episode. Okay, we've got Kansas going through to

1181
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 1: square off against Stanford.

1182
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 2: Oh, I definitely have Kansas.

1183
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 1: I think it's got to be Kansas.

1184
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, So both of these, both Stanford and Kansas

1185
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 2: were incredibly down that season.

1186
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 1: They were incredibly down. There were both two and ten.

1187
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 2: Now, I guess Sanford's three and nine Sanford Kansas giving

1188
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 2: up fifty six points in a winning effort in overtime,

1189
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 2: That to me is crazy. So I tip my cap there,

1190
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 2: and they were both overtime games. You have to give

1191
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 2: points to Stanford for beating a ranked team in Oregon,

1192
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 2: a highly ranked team in Oregon. But there's something that

1193
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 2: I just look back on. I look back. I mean,

1194
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 2: obviously as an Oregon fan in anger like Oays has

1195
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 2: warned me not to do. I look back and anger

1196
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 2: with that Oregon game, and I just there hasn't been

1197
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 2: anything of consequence with Stanford since. And I now look

1198
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 2: at the like in retrospect, that was like the beginning

1199
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 2: of Kansas crawling and scratching into something. And I don't know,

1200
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 2: I just the entertainment value of that Kansas Texas game.

1201
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 2: I just I'm going to give it to that and

1202
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 2: maybe call me a homer who doesn't want to put

1203
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 2: through an embarrassing moment in Oregon's recent pass through, but

1204
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 2: I'm going Kansas feel free to disagree.

1205
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 1: Well, I think speaking for the Verballer hood or the

1206
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 1: portion of the Forbawler hood that doesn't have a rooting interest, Yeah, undeniably,

1207
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 1: Kansas getting that win was more of a feel good moment, Yeah,

1208
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 1: because they had been so down so long, even Stanford

1209
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 1: at that point. Right, Stanford had a bad season, but

1210
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:53,560
Speaker 1: Stanford had experienced a fair amount of success under David

1211
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 1: Shaw agreat Right, So Kansas getting a win like this

1212
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:02,480
Speaker 1: just after season after season after season of being the

1213
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 1: laughing stock of the Big twelve, totally, this is a

1214
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 1: big deal. It's a big deal to get this win

1215
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 1: for landslidpe Hold you can make a pretty good case

1216
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 1: that he used this as something of a springboard to

1217
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 1: help make that program better. You know, for a while

1218
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 1: there they were getting better each and every season. So

1219
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 1: I think I'm with you. I think we put through

1220
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:19,439
Speaker 1: our three.

1221
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 2: See. I'm also I'm also inclined because of the environment

1222
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 2: was better. I agree that in the Texas Kansas game

1223
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 2: that it was back and forth, that the crowd was

1224
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 2: into it, whereas like there's just not that at Stanford.

1225
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 2: There just isn't.

1226
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 1: So we're gonna put this one through on our next episode,

1227
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:38,680
Speaker 1: we will talk through I guess the final four matchup

1228
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 1: between Michigan's upset over Ohio State and the Kansas upset

1229
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 1: over Texas in twenty twenty one.

1230
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:47,440
Speaker 2: Can I give you my bath bubbles?

1231
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 1: Ah, your bath bubbles? Yes?

1232
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 2: Please, my stinky bubbles.

1233
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1234
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 2: I have Fresno over Ucla. Now, Fresno was good and

1235
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 2: Ucla was fine, but that was a crazy game that

1236
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 2: was after Ucla upset LSU. That was a big Jake

1237
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 2: Hayner game for Freds Snow and I you know have

1238
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:03,919
Speaker 2: my soft spot for the Mountain West in the California teams.

1239
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 2: The Mountain West and then in nine overtimes Illinois over

1240
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 2: Penn State bilma's first season.

1241
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:18,600
Speaker 1: So I was at a birthday party out of state. Yeah,

1242
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 1: didn't have great reception and was trying to watch this

1243
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 1: game on my phone, and it was you talk about

1244
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:30,200
Speaker 1: ticker moments where you're looking at the ticker waiting for

1245
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:33,560
Speaker 1: it to update, wondering if there is a glitch. I

1246
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 1: kept refreshing my phone thinking that something was wrong. Of course,

1247
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 1: because this just did not make any sense. I couldn't

1248
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 1: watch it.

1249
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:45,439
Speaker 2: Was this a wild wind atmosphere. I want to say,

1250
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 2: it felt like fifteen helicopters were landing where everybody's running

1251
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 2: out of the way and briefcase papers are flying. Like

1252
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 2: nobody could throw the ball in this game or really

1253
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 2: do anything on offense.

1254
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 1: This game was a disaster. It was a novelty because

1255
01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 1: I believe this was the first year that they went

1256
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 1: to sort of the penalty kick thing, yes, where you're

1257
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:08,440
Speaker 1: trying two point conversions after you get a little bit

1258
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:10,400
Speaker 1: deeper into overtime after two or three overtime.

1259
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 2: But I think it was whatever the rule was that

1260
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:15,000
Speaker 2: they changed the rule after this to start the two

1261
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:17,680
Speaker 2: point conversions sooner they did. Maybe I'm making that up.

1262
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, yeah, something like that. But this was

1263
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 1: kind of like our first real foray into how goofy

1264
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 1: college football over time can get. And I just remembered

1265
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:30,720
Speaker 1: distinctly trying to get my phone to update, getting back

1266
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 1: to the car, getting on the highway, realizing like, oh right,

1267
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:38,400
Speaker 1: this wasn't a mistake. My phone was right, the reception

1268
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:40,679
Speaker 1: was fine. This game was just off the hook.

1269
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that they and the rule was instituted before

1270
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:47,679
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty one season, so this was the first

1271
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:50,479
Speaker 2: example of that's a game. But it was a lot

1272
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:52,760
Speaker 2: of failed two point conversions. It wasn't a back and

1273
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 2: forth of no, That's why I went to nine over ones.

1274
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:57,400
Speaker 2: That's why I went to nine over times, unlike you know,

1275
01:08:57,439 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 2: Georgia Tech Georgia this year, where there were a bunch

1276
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 2: of successful ones during that process. The reason why this

1277
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:06,439
Speaker 2: was a stinky bubble and not an entrant was the

1278
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 2: actual football being played in this game was abhorrent. It

1279
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 2: was very, very bad.

1280
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:13,600
Speaker 1: It was football.

1281
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 2: It was Sean Clifford in the wind, it was Artzakowski

1282
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:19,600
Speaker 2: in the wind. I think Johan Dotson was on this

1283
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:24,639
Speaker 2: team for Penn State, but mikey Epstein Mike Epstein for Illinois.

1284
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:29,479
Speaker 2: It was not an entertaining game. It was a hilarious game,

1285
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:33,400
Speaker 2: but not a memorable football part of this game.

1286
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:36,680
Speaker 1: Now, I also have Montana.

1287
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:37,919
Speaker 2: Over Washington Washington.

1288
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:41,599
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so Montana was I believe a top ten

1289
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 1: FCS team. Yeah, at the time of this game. This

1290
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 1: was Washington under Jimmy Lake, which is a season that

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01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:50,559
Speaker 1: went off the rails. They went something like four and eight.

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Speaker 1: Obviously Jimmy Lake didn't last. But just anytime you got

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Speaker 1: an FCS team winning, this was another example of it.

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Speaker 1: So Montana's a pretty good team. The grizz was a

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Speaker 1: pretty good team, but did not necessarily see them beating Washington.

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Speaker 1: And also how about Texas A and M knocking off

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Speaker 1: number one Alabama that year?

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Speaker 2: Yes, that was Calzada, I believe. So yeah, the Calzada

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Speaker 2: ar Madamada. Yeah, yeah, that was Calzada. And the thing

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Speaker 2: that was especially painful about the Washington Montana game, I'm

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Speaker 2: trying to be as neutral as I can here is

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Speaker 2: the opening game of the season or not. So you

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Speaker 2: say to yourself, all right, Jimmy Lake, he has all

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Speaker 2: the success as a coordinator, takes over as a head coach,

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Speaker 2: and you know, makes this like incredible higher and John

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Speaker 2: Donovan to run the offense.

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Speaker 1: And John Donovan, Oh no.

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Speaker 2: I think Montana was good that year, were they not? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they were good, like it was a they were a

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Speaker 2: top ten FCS team, I believe. Yeah, they're win ten games.

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Speaker 2: So basically, an extremely bad version of Washington lost to

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Speaker 2: a very good FCS team, which still shouldn't happen ever,

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Speaker 2: given the size of Washington program that they've been a

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Speaker 2: recent playoff team, but speaks to how inept that offense

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Speaker 2: was under John Donovan and Jimmy Lake running the show

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Speaker 2: and just it was. It was a really shrewd move

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Speaker 2: by Washington after the second year. And obviously there was

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Speaker 2: the stuff off the field and locker room stuff where

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Speaker 2: they're just like, nope, this is not the guy. We're

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Speaker 2: moving forward and found their guy briefly. And this game

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Speaker 2: has sort of lost the time to all those who

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Speaker 2: don't choose to remember the glory that was the Jimmy

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Speaker 2: lakeair at Washington.

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Speaker 1: Man. Washington scored on what looks like their first drive

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Speaker 1: of the game, yeah, and then not at all the

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Speaker 1: rest of the way. They lost thirteen to seven in Montana.

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Speaker 2: Ooh, yeah, and it was on Washingtonton Field.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, tough watch.

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Speaker 2: All right, yep.

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Speaker 1: When we return for part two, we're going to go

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Speaker 1: through twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: put those winners against one another. We're gonna put love It,

1333
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Speaker 1: the Michigan upset up against this Kansas upset. We're going

1334
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Speaker 1: to eventually come to some agreement on what our favorite

1335
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Speaker 1: upset was over the last four seasons. Please weigh in

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Speaker 1: Solid Rebel at gmail dot com if you have any thoughts,

1337
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Speaker 1: if you any personal anecdotes that you'd like to share,

1338
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Speaker 1: you can always send those into us, either via email

1339
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Speaker 1: or on any of the social feeds, or if you

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Speaker 1: can post a comment if you're watching this out on YouTube,

1341
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Speaker 1: if you're listening out on Spotify. There are a number

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Speaker 1: of apps now that let you put comments alongside these episodes.

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Speaker 1: We cherish the personal anecdotes, frankly, where you were, what

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Speaker 1: you were doing, what your reaction was.

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Speaker 2: If you're at the game, if you're at you know,

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Speaker 2: watching it with the fan of one of those teams.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we cherish that stuff. So if you wouldn't mind

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Speaker 1: sharing that with us, Stan and I would be very appreciative.

1349
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Speaker 1: Of course, forballers dot Com is where you can go

1350
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Speaker 1: if you're listening to this. If it's still before the

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Speaker 1: tournament tips off, we would encourage you to get in

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Speaker 1: on our free pool, play for a shirt, play for

1353
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Speaker 1: some goodies, if nothing more, just go out to for

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Speaker 1: crumbs out on that free tier as well. Give you

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Speaker 1: a yeah, an incentive to just sign up and be

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Speaker 1: part of the community. You know, you don't got to pay,

1359
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Speaker 1: it's fine, it's fine. Sign up for a free tier.

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Speaker 1: We'll love to have you with us here throughout the

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Speaker 1: off season. We're doing two episodes a week. I think

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Speaker 1: that's it for Part one.

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Speaker 2: Flip.

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Speaker 1: Of course, for those of you who are listening before

1365
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Speaker 1: the tournament, maybe you're listening during the tournament. Hopefully those

1366
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Speaker 1: brackets aren't too busted by the time Part two rolls around.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully I'll still be in my two survivor pools that

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Speaker 1: I play in every year. It's my favorite pool that

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Speaker 1: I play in. H I will keep everybody updated, I

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Speaker 1: promise you. Yeah. TH's the next couple of weeks for

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Speaker 1: that guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself,

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Speaker 1: Ty Hilton Brand, thank you so much for coming on

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Speaker 1: this journey with us. We'll talk to deal hard.

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Speaker 2: Twesday Solid Peace,