WEBVTT - V for Vendetta with Marcella Arguello 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:03.480 On the Beck dol Cast, the questions asked if movies 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:07.640 have women and are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:12.080 or do they have individualism the patriarchy? Zef in best 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:16.599 start changing it with the beck Del Cast. Hello, Welcome 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:18.400 to the beck Del Cast. My name is Jamie, my 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:22.279 name is Katelin, says our podcast about the portrayal of 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:26.280 women in movies. That's right, and how it's usually not good. 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:31.920 That's right, but sometimes it is sometimes better than you think. Rightsive, 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:37.720 those are the outliers. I'm negative. Nancy over here, still fun, dynamic? Yeah, 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:41.320 good cop, bad cop. Yeah, I'm feeling I'm feeling good today. 0:00:41.320 --> 0:00:43.360 It's very hot, but it's okay. And you just came 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:46.120 from Universal Studios. I did. I have a friend in 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:48.600 town and I had to occupy her for a finite 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:51.840 number of hours. Had some passes to Universal. It worked 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:55.080 out perfect. So we went on a bunch of did 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:57.600 you go to the Mommy Ride? If we go to 0:00:57.600 --> 0:01:00.520 the mad it's the best ride. Yes, we did go 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:02.720 to the Mommy Ride. When on the Harry Potter Ride, 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:05.080 When in the Simpsons ride, did did the whole bit, 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:07.440 you know, like reach that point where It's like we've 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:09.240 been friends for so long that we got into like 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:12.039 a small silent argument in the middle of the day, 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:14.039 and then it just passed in the way that it 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:16.000 does with old friends. And then we went on the 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:19.160 Harry Potter ran again and now I'm here a pretty 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:22.360 good day. Great, awesome. I sat in my bed for 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:28.120 several hours. Amazing. Also a good day. So our podcast 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:31.399 is inspired by the Bechdel Test. It's a test that 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:34.520 requires that two characters in the movie are women, They 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:37.240 have names, they talk to each other in their conversation. 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:40.320 It can be about anything besides a man created by 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:43.399 Alison Bechdel. Been around for a long time. We just 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:48.480 use it as a yardstick for a larger discussion that 0:01:48.560 --> 0:01:51.040 was concise, that was that was a really good one, 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:53.720 good for us, for us, for us, all right, And 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:56.720 with that, let's introduce our guests. You've seen her on 0:01:56.920 --> 0:02:00.920 at midnight. She's gonna win at midnight world times. She's 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:05.120 a hilarious comedian. Marcella Arguayo, Oh my god, thank you 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:08.600 so much. Told the applause, Thank you everybody, Thank you 0:02:08.639 --> 0:02:12.120 for having me, Thanks for coming. I'm excited. So we're 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:15.880 talking about v for Vendetta my favorite movie, okay, of 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:19.440 all time? I think, so well cool. When did you 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:21.760 first see it? Bad? I can't answer. I don't know. 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:23.320 I don't know when I first saw it. I just 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:25.959 remember loving it and calling it more, and then watching 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:27.680 it again and loving it more. And this is coming 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:31.080 from a person who hates movies. I hate movies, and 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:32.800 I don't know. I don't know what did it. I mean, 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:35.480 I guess I could guess, but I remember at the beginning, 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:37.200 I was like, I don't know what. Why do I 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:40.120 keep watching this movie over and over and over again? 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:42.840 When I loved it? Um, it used to be I 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:45.680 would watch it every fifth of November because I was like, 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:47.560 I'm watching this every year, I might as well kind 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:50.200 of like save it for the fifth of November. And 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:53.239 then my dad's funeral was on the fifth of November, 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:55.720 and then I stopped watching it. I stopped watching it 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:58.200 for a few years, and then I just recently got 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:00.760 back into watching it again. I don't know. I can't 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:04.160 associate the November five. I can associated with two things 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:06.680 and be fine with it. And actually that might have 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:08.680 been the first November if they missed it for for 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:10.960 that exact reason. And it's weird because I don't even 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:13.040 know how I landed on it, because, like I said, 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:14.680 I don't like a lot of movies, like watching a 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:17.399 lot of movies, but I really I liked this one, 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:19.400 and this is one of those movies too, Like I like, 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:21.280 even by looking at the poster, you're like, oh, this 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:24.480 movie is pretty long. Ye Like it looks like, oh 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:26.200 this is We're going to have to strap in and 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:28.200 do some thinking on this one. All right, Am I 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:32.280 ready a lecture? Yeah? Exactly. There's gonna be some philosophical 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:34.280 something or other, So there's gonna be a lot of 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:38.880 Domino visual. One of my favorite parts of the movie, like, 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:40.800 oh he just had this, He just had those rounds 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:44.760 he did. Yeah, he had everything. Where did come from? 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:47.800 He's still in a bunch of somebody also was able 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:51.520 to somehow for that giant house shadow gallery that he 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:53.840 lived in. This is what I kind of like about 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:57.600 like graphic novel adaptations to or like it's even more 0:03:57.640 --> 0:03:59.920 so than film. I feel like such a visual symbolic 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:03.400 medium that when it's adapted to film, like probably in 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:06.880 the graphic novel, it looks super cool and normal to 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:09.120 be like, oh, he just has these dominants, but in 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:11.080 the movie you're just like, wait, he just has those 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:13.440 dominant Like it's still super cool, but I was like 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:15.280 taken out of it for a second of like who 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:19.240 set those up? Like he lives alone, he doesn't doesn't 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:22.000 use the internet. No, that's another thing. This takes place 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:26.599 in twenties seven, and no one seems to have phones, 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:30.000 and there's like chunky desktops, which I also love. I love. 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:32.719 I love like futuristic movies for that reason of like 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:35.880 why do they have, you know, personalized door knobs, but 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:39.320 no one has a cell phone. The video that he 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:42.520 like makes everyone watch when he's like, in a year 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:45.280 from now, I'm going to blow up a building. It's 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:49.640 on like a like a little mini seed like that technology. 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:52.919 I used to love those mini c ds though, because 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:55.320 you could, like you could get them at Staples, and 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:57.839 I would remember I would make my friends mix CDs, 0:04:57.880 --> 0:04:59.960 but you could only fit like three or four songs 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:03.159 on it. It was had to be really concise mix. Yeah, 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:05.359 and he had a concise mix. He did well. And 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:07.440 to your point about the future, and they didn't have 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:09.720 any cell phones, but their government was controlling them, so 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:13.360 they would have cell phones, So it was just like 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:15.840 all in theory, all the informations routed to them via 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:19.160 TV and that's their only source. That makes sense. Yeah, 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:21.200 well yeah, because that would cut down on their ability 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:23.080 to communicate with each If you try to make fun 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:25.440 of this movie, I'm gonna knock you down. That's why 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:28.680 we do this. I love this movie. The Dominoes though. 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:31.680 The Dominoes really I like rerouted again just to be like, 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:36.719 where did these art department who? Like, every time I 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:40.200 see that, that's what I think about, especially now I'm worked. 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:42.840 I've worked in this industry, Like, oh my god, how 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:45.080 many times did they have to do that? That's like, 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:47.880 I hope there was a shot that they did where 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:50.320 the Dominoes went perfectly and they're like, oh my god, 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:54.960 the camera wasn't onwards, battery was out. We're so sorry. 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:58.400 It looked amazing. Please reset all four thousand domina Oh 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:00.719 my god. That's that's all. It's the only thing I 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:03.000 think of now when I watched it. Yeah, yeah, I 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:06.520 mean it's like a it's like a visually beautiful movie. 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:10.080 There's so there's so much and the graphic novel is 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:12.680 really dark. So you've read it, Yeah, I've read it 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:15.599 and it's obviously longer, and I'm not one of those 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:18.480 like the books movie because I didn't watch I didn't 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:20.680 read the book before I watched the movie. So for me, 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:22.600 I'm just like, it's different. It's just a little different. 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:24.920 But I like because it's darker, which is where the 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:27.919 element of that like darkness, and it's always kind of 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:31.599 just there's just so there's so many elements of darkness. 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:35.400 We've said it five times now dark Um. It's a 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:41.240 same author as Watchmen, which I didn't enjoy. I did 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:44.320 not enjoy that movie. I liked the book. I mean 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:48.520 they're similar books like thematically, it's a very dark very 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:51.000 he's a he's a head scratcher, that Alan Moore. He's 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:52.720 also got a big old head of hair. I got 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:56.640 his Wikipedia. He is h he's a wanderer. You could 0:06:56.640 --> 0:07:00.240 tell you he's walking the streets at night and getting inspired. Yeah, 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:03.680 he's with his hands in pockets. Very film noir. I 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:06.240 was trying to figure out more about what his deal 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:09.159 is so he would not put his name on this movie. 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:12.120 I read that. Yeah, I think and wouldn't take royalties either, 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:14.480 because I think he's just like I don't know old 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:18.800 punk rock k I read something to the fact that 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:22.920 he was dissatisfied with other film adaptations of his works 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:27.080 he was watching before this or after after, but he 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:31.200 was referring to he was not satisfied with the adaptations 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:34.239 of From Hell or or A League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:36.760 So he's like, I'm not going to watch me for 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:39.760 Vendetta and Funk calling you guys it was probably the 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:44.760 best one. Yeah, yeah, that's only you. Hear most about, 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:47.160 like people still watch it, Yeah, yeah, yeah, people are 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:50.000 still inspired by it, which brings me to my history 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:52.720 when this mommy. I saw it in the theater I 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:56.600 think multiple times, and I was obsessed with it for 0:07:56.640 --> 0:07:58.960 a while. I was so obsessed with it I wanted 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:01.760 to get a tattoo of the V symbol. Well I 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:03.600 never did, but I was like, I, God, maybe I 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:06.400 should get because I would very very much regret it. 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:09.200 But I was like, maybe my first tattoo will be 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:11.520 in the V symbol. Yeah, I just I loved it. 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:14.400 I saw it so many times, but um, I hadn't 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:17.640 seen it in quite a few years before I rewatched 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:19.760 it for this, and I have a bit of a 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:22.400 different take on it. Oh yeah, I still like it, 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:26.440 and I was still very moved by it. I cried 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:30.600 like three different times. That's like, but watching it through, 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:34.680 watching it through the Bechdel lens, you have a little 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:38.200 different perspective on it. I can understand that, Yeah, I 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:40.560 saw this movie. I want to say I saw it 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:42.600 like late high school or something like that. And then 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:45.920 I remember, right before I went to college, someone gave 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:49.000 me a V for Vendetta poster and I and I like, 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:51.760 I didn't super remember the movie very well, but I 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:55.160 liked what that projected. I was like, it would be 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:57.960 cool if someone wanted my room and saw Viva Vendetta poster. 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:00.320 So remember my whole freshman year of college, I had 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:03.000 a v from Himdetta poster, and I was just constantly 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:04.679 in fear someone was going to ask me a follow 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:08.240 up question, like I would be like, I don't what 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:11.280 is it about? Because I would wake up next to 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:13.280 it every day and be like, man, I like what 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:15.880 this says about me. I feel like it says I'm cool. 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:19.080 But I was. I liked the movie, but I had 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:21.640 only seen it once and then maybe I think I've 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:24.840 seen it maybe three times total. Now I watched it yesterday. Yeah, yeah, 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:27.559 well I can't wait to discuss it. But first I'll 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:30.880 do the recap, pre cap, pree cap so V for 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:34.800 Vendetta is set in the UK in sort of like 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:43.200 a police state, um neo fascist regime. We meet Evie Hammond, 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:47.440 the young woman, and we meet the sort of like 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:52.920 a radical vigilante guy who is trying to ignite a revolution, 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:56.679 and they cross paths on his way to blowing up 0:09:56.720 --> 0:10:00.080 the Old Bailey, this monument basically like a high a 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:04.840 politicized Phantom of the Opera. That's like accurate, right. He 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:06.880 wears a mask. You never see him to take off 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:09.719 his mask in the entire movie and dry Butler and 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:14.640 Fantom of the And they crossed paths and he ends 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:18.000 up having to save her from Fingerman these like cops 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:21.040 who are trying to rape her. Ironically, yeah, man, who 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:25.199 want to finger her? What a scary scene, like right 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:28.840 at the that's I had forgotten about that scene. That 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:31.840 was the watch I really was. And then so she 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:35.360 sort of becomes embroiled in his plot. He wants to 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:38.800 blow up the houses of Parliament, inspired by Guy Fox 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:41.360 who tried to do the same thing in sixteen o five. 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:43.280 But you find out you learn over the course of 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:46.480 the movie that he has this vendetta whoa that's the 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:49.080 name of the movie. He's trying to seek revenge on 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:53.640 different members who rose to power who had wronged him. 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:57.400 He was basically imprisoned in this facility, was tested on. 0:10:57.480 --> 0:11:00.760 They were like trying to develop biological warfare viruses that 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:03.920 they could that they did unleash on the population. A 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:08.160 hundred thousand people or something like who died. Yeah, the government, 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:12.920 in their sort of authoritarian style covered it all up 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:15.599 and they're like it was actually these religious extremists, but 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:18.520 it was actually the government who did this. So he's 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:21.480 basically trying to uncover all these secrets and kill all 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:23.520 the people who wronged him. And then he wants to 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:25.480 blow up the building because the building is a symbol 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:28.080 and that's going to ignite a revolution that he went. 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:29.600 So he's like, in a year, I'm going to blow 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:32.520 up this building, and everyone's like, oh my god, oh gay, 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:35.840 And then I love it, like it is like, oh, 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:39.040 just count down to domestic terrorism. From moment one of 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:42.680 the movie, you're like, yeah, cool. So he has to 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:50.320 basically capture and imprison Evy because she gets this whole 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:52.920 like recurring theme of I'm going to kidnap this woman 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:56.120 and re educate her to think exactly like me. There's 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:57.960 a lot of parallels between and then like kind of 0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:00.720 a I guess, like not as much Beauty and the 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:02.600 Beast for me. It's just like a weird like I'm 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:07.319 taking this woman who speaks to me for whatever reason 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:10.400 and that's open to interpretation, and I'm gonna, you know, 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:12.760 kind of just get her too things like me and 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:15.920 agree with me on things. And then you know, I 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:18.360 don't know, I don't know where Yeah, well, I mean 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:20.280 I know, I mean, oh, I mean that's what this 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:23.280 movie is about. Although you could argue differently, but like, yeah, 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:25.719 we're watching. I was like, oh man, sorry, I keep 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:27.839 in directing. No, it's I mean, I'm sort of all 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:30.200 over the place with this recap because it's a hard 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:32.199 movie to summarize. There's a lot going on. There's a 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:34.560 lot going on. So there's also this Chief Inspector Finch, 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:38.440 who is trying to uncover the identity of v and 0:12:38.440 --> 0:12:40.959 he's also after Evie Hammond because everyone thinks she's like 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:44.319 this accomplice, which she ends up being. He's a real 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:47.680 grumbly Powder. He's a pounding all He's like, hey, what's 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:51.360 going on over here? Who can I trust? And then 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:55.760 this whole sort of conspiracy gets uncovered where V was 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:59.280 at this detention center at lark Hill. This virus had 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:02.000 been tested on and they were able to use something 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:05.840 about like the antibodies in his blood to develop a 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:08.079 cure for the virus that then they then unleashed on 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:11.800 the population for Chancellor Sutler to gain political power and 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:13.400 then make a bunch of people rich in the in 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:16.520 this party, this political party. So a lot of details, 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:18.480 a lot going on, and then so in the end, 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:22.880 V gets his last revenge on Chancellor Sutler and his 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:27.160 like right hand gooney guy Creedy, and then V kills 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:30.200 them both. And then evis like, I guess now I 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:35.120 have to destroy the fucking Big Bend building. And then 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:39.120 she does, and then everyone's like wow, a revolution, and 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:42.520 the grumbly Powder guy is there too, and and she's like, 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:45.800 I'm going to blow the building and he's kind of like, yeah, okay, 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:48.439 I like that part where he's like, you know what's like, 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:53.000 you know what, I'm gonna just stand up together? Ye yes, yeah, 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:55.720 you see, like a flash forward. It's like the future 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:58.800 and they're together. So that's at the moment that they 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:01.320 write that it happened. M what a little what a 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:03.920 cute meet cute. It's a real it's a real round 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:08.360 come meetute. That's for sure. I can't wait to meet 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:11.640 my next boyfriend on the eve of a revolution. That's 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:14.600 the high stakes meet cute, and I'm into it. What 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:17.840 a good story? Like, oh yeah, before we blew up parliament, 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:21.600 we're like, maybe there's something here, yeah, question And this 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:24.040 may have just genuinely been like I was not paying 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:27.320 close enough attention. Um, were there people in the Parliament building? 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:29.520 Were we killing people? I feel like they had a 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:32.840 year's notice to like call in to work that day. Yeah, 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:35.280 I don't know. It didn't seem like there was or 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:37.520 I think I just seen it. Okay, that makes me 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:39.040 feel a little bit. I mean, I would assume it 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:41.680 would strictly be employees, So why would it be working 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:44.400 in the middle of the night. That's true, Yeah, because 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:46.840 it was at midnight when this happened. I was just 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:49.360 I was just like, I just hope. Yeah. I don't 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:51.160 think I'm all for symbolism. I just don't want to 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:53.280 want to get hurt. Yeah, I don't know. I don't 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:56.120 think people were in the building. If there were, would 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:58.840 have seen it, right. I don't think anyone was killed 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:02.320 when he blew up the bay Lee monument, either because 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:05.080 he did a lot of people. But but it would 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:07.520 have been reported or would it have been because the government, 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:11.840 it would have been discussed in the movie, not necessarily 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:17.320 told or informed. We would we would know. So that's 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:19.200 the story, and I kind of want to go through 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:22.120 the story in a different way, but as it relates 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:24.200 to the treatment of women, so I have some like 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:28.160 major pointing. So one of the first things that happens 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:32.920 is that ev goes outside past this government curfew and 0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:38.600 almost gets raped by policemen the government, right, and then 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:41.440 she has to be saved by a man, and this 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:43.880 is when she meets V. So we see the trope 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:45.840 of a of a man having to save a woman 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:48.960 because she's in a dangerous situation. Well, there there is 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:51.640 something to be said about, especially what's going on in 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:54.040 the news right now with the Harvey Weinstein's and all 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:57.160 these motherfucker's that are sexually assaulting and raping women. I mean, 0:15:57.280 --> 0:15:59.960 we do need men to stand beside us, so sure. 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:03.040 So in that way, I do like that he does 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:05.240 save her because he knows it's the right thing to do, 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:07.960 and he almost makes her feel like I'm not going 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:11.080 to do this too, because that's not right. There are people, 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:13.320 there are men and women that can exist side by side, 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:15.640 and a woman does not have to feel like she's 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:18.000 going to be raped by a man, because there's plenty 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:20.080 of guy friends of mine that I feel that way. 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:21.920 I feel safe with them, and we have to feel 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:25.800 safe with men in order to coexist, right, So I 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:29.160 actually like that. I honestly didn't mind it either. I 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:31.120 was more calling out that that is a trup that 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:33.400 we see over and over again, but it never bothered 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:35.520 me with this movie when I saw it. Well also 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:37.760 we we I mean, how often do we see a 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:42.239 woman about to get raped and then the dude immediately 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:45.800 kills those dudes because he's like, fuck you, how fucking 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:49.600 dare you rape this? Like no questions asked, Like there's 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:53.120 rarely immediate consequence, which is nice to see it. It is, 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:56.560 And it's also it's just nice that he just just like, oh, 0:16:56.560 --> 0:16:58.440 you're gonna rape her, I'm gonna kill you, Like that's 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:01.480 not why are you mean this? And he doesn't know her, 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:03.520 he doesn't need to know her. I love that. I 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:07.159 really do love that. Yeah, I I I'm always like 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:09.399 a little bit like the second I you know, if 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:12.080 a woman is being like rescued at the very top 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:14.479 of the movies, and I'm like, I don't know. But 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:16.920 what I really do like about that scene is that 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:21.040 the conversation that takes place afterwards, where it's not implied 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:23.560 in any way that she owes him something, where she 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:29.320 asks her to hang that's okay, she agrees, that's okay, 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:32.119 Like I, you know, where it's like, okay, we've seen, 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:33.800 you know, at the top of the movie the man 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:35.440 saves the woman. But then I feel like it's very 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:39.359 often implied and now she is indebted to him and 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:41.040 it will spend a lot of time in the movie 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:44.560 trying to, you know, repay him, and that was never 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:48.080 implied in their relationship. Was also like the first time 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:50.720 the spark in his eye for her started because he 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:53.800 did the whole vv vv V and his monologue and 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:56.439 what's her name? And what's her name? E V And 0:17:56.440 --> 0:17:59.600 he says, of course it is, you know, it's it's 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:01.800 it's right. I love it well, because his whole theme 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:05.280 is there are no coincidences. You know, everything is supposed 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:09.000 to be the illusion of yeah, it's it's linear, and uh, 0:18:09.320 --> 0:18:11.520 I like that she has She's just like this, who 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:14.560 is this fucking psychopath? And he was just like, oh no, 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:16.800 this is meant to be. This is kind of cool. Right. 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:21.800 Do you think that he workshopped that speech? Do you 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:26.960 think he took it to open my practice? I'm so 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:30.360 ready for that moment? Like, and that's another fun like 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:34.840 adaptation trope where it's like that's such a like you know, 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:39.119 such a like poetic, like every word in the dictionary 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:45.080 that begins with V, he's like vile and viola ver 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:47.480 like you know, he went through there's a lot of 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:50.680 words he crossed out, probably in the pursuit of He's like, well, 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:54.159 when I meet a girl that I like, I'm going 0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:56.280 to be so ready with not even it. He was 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:58.639 just like, when someone is worth talking to, I'm going 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:01.160 to be able to unleash the he's got. I've got 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:03.600 a tight three minutes of speech, and he got and 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:08.600 he's been practicing it the way he practices, which I 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:13.879 thought was very It was charming. You know what he's weird, 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:16.160 he's weird, he likes to have fun, he's still he's 0:19:16.160 --> 0:19:19.800 still childlike. Yeah, the best people are still childlike. And 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:22.920 also I feel like just a general this isn't even 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:25.520 like a super gendered trope, but like just you see 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:30.240 like very isolated, lonely characters you don't very often see 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:33.160 just weird ship that they do, Like you know, when 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:35.879 you're alone a lot, and I can speak from personal experience, 0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:39.440 you do weird ship, and like when someone's around, you're like, 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:42.440 oh wait, sorry, that's weird. Like I really enjoyed because 0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:45.880 when she walks in on him, he's so embarrassed. He's like, right, 0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:48.760 it would have been so easy for him to be 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:51.159 like and here's five more words that begin with me. 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:53.720 But he's sort of like, oh sorry, it's my favorite 0:19:53.720 --> 0:19:55.960 movie and do you want to watch it? Like it's 0:19:56.000 --> 0:19:58.959 super cute, and then he recites the lines as he's watching. 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:01.639 It's just something I am so guilty of it very 0:20:01.680 --> 0:20:06.879 interest You'll find your own tree. Yeah, I thought that 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:09.040 that was He even changed his voice to say the 0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:12.400 line that's what was also cute. Yeah, I was very 0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:16.960 charmed by that scene. I watched it twice back to 0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:20.439 the like him saving her thing. I wasn't bothered by 0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:23.000 it as much because then you see her save him 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:26.560 later with what's that character's named Dominic. One of the 0:20:26.560 --> 0:20:29.399 detectives is about to shoot him when they're in the 0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:32.159