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Speaker 1: talking about v for Vendetta my favorite movie, okay, of
Speaker 1: all time? I think, so well cool. When did you
Speaker 1: first see it? Bad? I can't answer. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know when I first saw it. I just
Speaker 1: remember loving it and calling it more, and then watching
Speaker 1: it again and loving it more. And this is coming
Speaker 1: from a person who hates movies. I hate movies, and
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what did it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess I could guess, but I remember at the beginning,
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know what. Why do I
Speaker 1: keep watching this movie over and over and over again?
Speaker 1: When I loved it? Um, it used to be I
Speaker 1: would watch it every fifth of November because I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm watching this every year, I might as well kind
Speaker 1: of like save it for the fifth of November. And
Speaker 1: then my dad's funeral was on the fifth of November,
Speaker 1: and then I stopped watching it. I stopped watching it
Speaker 1: for a few years, and then I just recently got
Speaker 1: back into watching it again. I don't know. I can't
Speaker 1: associate the November five. I can associated with two things
Speaker 1: and be fine with it. And actually that might have
Speaker 1: been the first November if they missed it for for
Speaker 1: that exact reason. And it's weird because I don't even
Speaker 1: know how I landed on it, because, like I said,
Speaker 1: I don't like a lot of movies, like watching a
Speaker 1: lot of movies, but I really I liked this one,
Speaker 1: and this is one of those movies too, Like I like,
Speaker 1: even by looking at the poster, you're like, oh, this
Speaker 1: movie is pretty long. Ye Like it looks like, oh
Speaker 1: this is We're going to have to strap in and
Speaker 1: do some thinking on this one. All right, Am I
Speaker 1: ready a lecture? Yeah? Exactly. There's gonna be some philosophical
Speaker 1: something or other, So there's gonna be a lot of
Speaker 1: Domino visual. One of my favorite parts of the movie, like,
Speaker 1: oh he just had this, He just had those rounds
Speaker 1: he did. Yeah, he had everything. Where did come from?
Speaker 1: He's still in a bunch of somebody also was able
Speaker 1: to somehow for that giant house shadow gallery that he
Speaker 1: lived in. This is what I kind of like about
Speaker 1: like graphic novel adaptations to or like it's even more
Speaker 1: so than film. I feel like such a visual symbolic
Speaker 1: medium that when it's adapted to film, like probably in
Speaker 1: the graphic novel, it looks super cool and normal to
Speaker 1: be like, oh, he just has these dominants, but in
Speaker 1: the movie you're just like, wait, he just has those
Speaker 1: dominant Like it's still super cool, but I was like
Speaker 1: taken out of it for a second of like who
Speaker 1: set those up? Like he lives alone, he doesn't doesn't
Speaker 1: use the internet. No, that's another thing. This takes place
Speaker 1: in twenties seven, and no one seems to have phones,
Speaker 1: and there's like chunky desktops, which I also love. I love.
Speaker 1: I love like futuristic movies for that reason of like
Speaker 1: why do they have, you know, personalized door knobs, but
Speaker 1: no one has a cell phone. The video that he
Speaker 1: like makes everyone watch when he's like, in a year
Speaker 1: from now, I'm going to blow up a building. It's
Speaker 1: on like a like a little mini seed like that technology.
Speaker 1: I used to love those mini c ds though, because
Speaker 1: you could, like you could get them at Staples, and
Speaker 1: I would remember I would make my friends mix CDs,
Speaker 1: but you could only fit like three or four songs
Speaker 1: on it. It was had to be really concise mix. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he had a concise mix. He did well. And
Speaker 1: to your point about the future, and they didn't have
Speaker 1: any cell phones, but their government was controlling them, so
Speaker 1: they would have cell phones, So it was just like
Speaker 1: all in theory, all the informations routed to them via
Speaker 1: TV and that's their only source. That makes sense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well yeah, because that would cut down on their ability
Speaker 1: to communicate with each If you try to make fun
Speaker 1: of this movie, I'm gonna knock you down. That's why
Speaker 1: we do this. I love this movie. The Dominoes though.
Speaker 1: The Dominoes really I like rerouted again just to be like,
Speaker 1: where did these art department who? Like, every time I
Speaker 1: see that, that's what I think about, especially now I'm worked.
Speaker 1: I've worked in this industry, Like, oh my god, how
Speaker 1: many times did they have to do that? That's like,
Speaker 1: I hope there was a shot that they did where
Speaker 1: the Dominoes went perfectly and they're like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: the camera wasn't onwards, battery was out. We're so sorry.
Speaker 1: It looked amazing. Please reset all four thousand domina Oh
Speaker 1: my god. That's that's all. It's the only thing I
Speaker 1: think of now when I watched it. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's like a it's like a visually beautiful movie.
Speaker 1: There's so there's so much and the graphic novel is
Speaker 1: really dark. So you've read it, Yeah, I've read it
Speaker 1: and it's obviously longer, and I'm not one of those
Speaker 1: like the books movie because I didn't watch I didn't
Speaker 1: read the book before I watched the movie. So for me,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, it's different. It's just a little different.
Speaker 1: But I like because it's darker, which is where the
Speaker 1: element of that like darkness, and it's always kind of
Speaker 1: just there's just so there's so many elements of darkness.
Speaker 1: We've said it five times now dark Um. It's a
Speaker 1: same author as Watchmen, which I didn't enjoy. I did
Speaker 1: not enjoy that movie. I liked the book. I mean
Speaker 1: they're similar books like thematically, it's a very dark very
Speaker 1: he's a he's a head scratcher, that Alan Moore. He's
Speaker 1: also got a big old head of hair. I got
Speaker 1: his Wikipedia. He is h he's a wanderer. You could
Speaker 1: tell you he's walking the streets at night and getting inspired. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's with his hands in pockets. Very film noir. I
Speaker 1: was trying to figure out more about what his deal
Speaker 1: is so he would not put his name on this movie.
Speaker 1: I read that. Yeah, I think and wouldn't take royalties either,
Speaker 1: because I think he's just like I don't know old
Speaker 1: punk rock k I read something to the fact that
Speaker 1: he was dissatisfied with other film adaptations of his works
Speaker 1: he was watching before this or after after, but he
Speaker 1: was referring to he was not satisfied with the adaptations
Speaker 1: of From Hell or or A League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.
Speaker 1: So he's like, I'm not going to watch me for
Speaker 1: Vendetta and Funk calling you guys it was probably the
Speaker 1: best one. Yeah, yeah, that's only you. Hear most about,
Speaker 1: like people still watch it, Yeah, yeah, yeah, people are
Speaker 1: still inspired by it, which brings me to my history
Speaker 1: when this mommy. I saw it in the theater I
Speaker 1: think multiple times, and I was obsessed with it for
Speaker 1: a while. I was so obsessed with it I wanted
Speaker 1: to get a tattoo of the V symbol. Well I
Speaker 1: never did, but I was like, I, God, maybe I
Speaker 1: should get because I would very very much regret it.
Speaker 1: But I was like, maybe my first tattoo will be
Speaker 1: in the V symbol. Yeah, I just I loved it.
Speaker 1: I saw it so many times, but um, I hadn't
Speaker 1: seen it in quite a few years before I rewatched
Speaker 1: it for this, and I have a bit of a
Speaker 1: different take on it. Oh yeah, I still like it,
Speaker 1: and I was still very moved by it. I cried
Speaker 1: like three different times. That's like, but watching it through,
Speaker 1: watching it through the Bechdel lens, you have a little
Speaker 1: different perspective on it. I can understand that, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: saw this movie. I want to say I saw it
Speaker 1: like late high school or something like that. And then
Speaker 1: I remember, right before I went to college, someone gave
Speaker 1: me a V for Vendetta poster and I and I like,
Speaker 1: I didn't super remember the movie very well, but I
Speaker 1: liked what that projected. I was like, it would be
Speaker 1: cool if someone wanted my room and saw Viva Vendetta poster.
Speaker 1: So remember my whole freshman year of college, I had
Speaker 1: a v from Himdetta poster, and I was just constantly
Speaker 1: in fear someone was going to ask me a follow
Speaker 1: up question, like I would be like, I don't what
Speaker 1: is it about? Because I would wake up next to
Speaker 1: it every day and be like, man, I like what
Speaker 1: this says about me. I feel like it says I'm cool.
Speaker 1: But I was. I liked the movie, but I had
Speaker 1: only seen it once and then maybe I think I've
Speaker 1: seen it maybe three times total. Now I watched it yesterday. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: well I can't wait to discuss it. But first I'll
Speaker 1: do the recap, pre cap, pree cap so V for
Speaker 1: Vendetta is set in the UK in sort of like
Speaker 1: a police state, um neo fascist regime. We meet Evie Hammond,
Speaker 1: the young woman, and we meet the sort of like
Speaker 1: a radical vigilante guy who is trying to ignite a revolution,
Speaker 1: and they cross paths on his way to blowing up
Speaker 1: the Old Bailey, this monument basically like a high a
Speaker 1: politicized Phantom of the Opera. That's like accurate, right. He
Speaker 1: wears a mask. You never see him to take off
Speaker 1: his mask in the entire movie and dry Butler and
Speaker 1: Fantom of the And they crossed paths and he ends
Speaker 1: up having to save her from Fingerman these like cops
Speaker 1: who are trying to rape her. Ironically, yeah, man, who
Speaker 1: want to finger her? What a scary scene, like right
Speaker 1: at the that's I had forgotten about that scene. That
Speaker 1: was the watch I really was. And then so she
Speaker 1: sort of becomes embroiled in his plot. He wants to
Speaker 1: blow up the houses of Parliament, inspired by Guy Fox
Speaker 1: who tried to do the same thing in sixteen o five.
Speaker 1: But you find out you learn over the course of
Speaker 1: the movie that he has this vendetta whoa that's the
Speaker 1: name of the movie. He's trying to seek revenge on
Speaker 1: different members who rose to power who had wronged him.
Speaker 1: He was basically imprisoned in this facility, was tested on.
Speaker 1: They were like trying to develop biological warfare viruses that
Speaker 1: they could that they did unleash on the population. A
Speaker 1: hundred thousand people or something like who died. Yeah, the government,
Speaker 1: in their sort of authoritarian style covered it all up
Speaker 1: and they're like it was actually these religious extremists, but
Speaker 1: it was actually the government who did this. So he's
Speaker 1: basically trying to uncover all these secrets and kill all
Speaker 1: the people who wronged him. And then he wants to
Speaker 1: blow up the building because the building is a symbol
Speaker 1: and that's going to ignite a revolution that he went.
Speaker 1: So he's like, in a year, I'm going to blow
Speaker 1: up this building, and everyone's like, oh my god, oh gay,
Speaker 1: And then I love it, like it is like, oh,
Speaker 1: just count down to domestic terrorism. From moment one of
Speaker 1: the movie, you're like, yeah, cool. So he has to
Speaker 1: basically capture and imprison Evy because she gets this whole
Speaker 1: like recurring theme of I'm going to kidnap this woman
Speaker 1: and re educate her to think exactly like me. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of parallels between and then like kind of
Speaker 1: a I guess, like not as much Beauty and the
Speaker 1: Beast for me. It's just like a weird like I'm
Speaker 1: taking this woman who speaks to me for whatever reason
Speaker 1: and that's open to interpretation, and I'm gonna, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of just get her too things like me and
Speaker 1: agree with me on things. And then you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know where Yeah, well, I mean
Speaker 1: I know, I mean, oh, I mean that's what this
Speaker 1: movie is about. Although you could argue differently, but like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're watching. I was like, oh man, sorry, I keep
Speaker 1: in directing. No, it's I mean, I'm sort of all
Speaker 1: over the place with this recap because it's a hard
Speaker 1: movie to summarize. There's a lot going on. There's a
Speaker 1: lot going on. So there's also this Chief Inspector Finch,
Speaker 1: who is trying to uncover the identity of v and
Speaker 1: he's also after Evie Hammond because everyone thinks she's like
Speaker 1: this accomplice, which she ends up being. He's a real
Speaker 1: grumbly Powder. He's a pounding all He's like, hey, what's
Speaker 1: going on over here? Who can I trust? And then
Speaker 1: this whole sort of conspiracy gets uncovered where V was
Speaker 1: at this detention center at lark Hill. This virus had
Speaker 1: been tested on and they were able to use something
Speaker 1: about like the antibodies in his blood to develop a
Speaker 1: cure for the virus that then they then unleashed on
Speaker 1: the population for Chancellor Sutler to gain political power and
Speaker 1: then make a bunch of people rich in the in
Speaker 1: this party, this political party. So a lot of details,
Speaker 1: a lot going on, and then so in the end,
Speaker 1: V gets his last revenge on Chancellor Sutler and his
Speaker 1: like right hand gooney guy Creedy, and then V kills
Speaker 1: them both. And then evis like, I guess now I
Speaker 1: have to destroy the fucking Big Bend building. And then
Speaker 1: she does, and then everyone's like wow, a revolution, and
Speaker 1: the grumbly Powder guy is there too, and and she's like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to blow the building and he's kind of like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I like that part where he's like, you know what's like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna just stand up together? Ye yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: you see, like a flash forward. It's like the future
Speaker 1: and they're together. So that's at the moment that they
Speaker 1: write that it happened. M what a little what a
Speaker 1: cute meet cute. It's a real it's a real round
Speaker 1: come meetute. That's for sure. I can't wait to meet
Speaker 1: my next boyfriend on the eve of a revolution. That's
Speaker 1: the high stakes meet cute, and I'm into it. What
Speaker 1: a good story? Like, oh yeah, before we blew up parliament,
Speaker 1: we're like, maybe there's something here, yeah, question And this
Speaker 1: may have just genuinely been like I was not paying
Speaker 1: close enough attention. Um, were there people in the Parliament building?
Speaker 1: Were we killing people? I feel like they had a
Speaker 1: year's notice to like call in to work that day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It didn't seem like there was or
Speaker 1: I think I just seen it. Okay, that makes me
Speaker 1: feel a little bit. I mean, I would assume it
Speaker 1: would strictly be employees, So why would it be working
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night. That's true, Yeah, because
Speaker 1: it was at midnight when this happened. I was just
Speaker 1: I was just like, I just hope. Yeah. I don't
Speaker 1: think I'm all for symbolism. I just don't want to
Speaker 1: want to get hurt. Yeah, I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: think people were in the building. If there were, would
Speaker 1: have seen it, right. I don't think anyone was killed
Speaker 1: when he blew up the bay Lee monument, either because
Speaker 1: he did a lot of people. But but it would
Speaker 1: have been reported or would it have been because the government,
Speaker 1: it would have been discussed in the movie, not necessarily
Speaker 1: told or informed. We would we would know. So that's
Speaker 1: the story, and I kind of want to go through
Speaker 1: the story in a different way, but as it relates
Speaker 1: to the treatment of women, so I have some like
Speaker 1: major pointing. So one of the first things that happens
Speaker 1: is that ev goes outside past this government curfew and
Speaker 1: almost gets raped by policemen the government, right, and then
Speaker 1: she has to be saved by a man, and this
Speaker 1: is when she meets V. So we see the trope
Speaker 1: of a of a man having to save a woman
Speaker 1: because she's in a dangerous situation. Well, there there is
Speaker 1: something to be said about, especially what's going on in
Speaker 1: the news right now with the Harvey Weinstein's and all
Speaker 1: these motherfucker's that are sexually assaulting and raping women. I mean,
Speaker 1: we do need men to stand beside us, so sure.
Speaker 1: So in that way, I do like that he does
Speaker 1: save her because he knows it's the right thing to do,
Speaker 1: and he almost makes her feel like I'm not going
Speaker 1: to do this too, because that's not right. There are people,
Speaker 1: there are men and women that can exist side by side,
Speaker 1: and a woman does not have to feel like she's
Speaker 1: going to be raped by a man, because there's plenty
Speaker 1: of guy friends of mine that I feel that way.
Speaker 1: I feel safe with them, and we have to feel
Speaker 1: safe with men in order to coexist, right, So I
Speaker 1: actually like that. I honestly didn't mind it either. I
Speaker 1: was more calling out that that is a trup that
Speaker 1: we see over and over again, but it never bothered
Speaker 1: me with this movie when I saw it. Well also
Speaker 1: we we I mean, how often do we see a
Speaker 1: woman about to get raped and then the dude immediately
Speaker 1: kills those dudes because he's like, fuck you, how fucking
Speaker 1: dare you rape this? Like no questions asked, Like there's
Speaker 1: rarely immediate consequence, which is nice to see it. It is,
Speaker 1: And it's also it's just nice that he just just like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're gonna rape her, I'm gonna kill you, Like that's
Speaker 1: not why are you mean this? And he doesn't know her,
Speaker 1: he doesn't need to know her. I love that. I
Speaker 1: really do love that. Yeah, I I I'm always like
Speaker 1: a little bit like the second I you know, if
Speaker 1: a woman is being like rescued at the very top
Speaker 1: of the movies, and I'm like, I don't know. But
Speaker 1: what I really do like about that scene is that
Speaker 1: the conversation that takes place afterwards, where it's not implied
Speaker 1: in any way that she owes him something, where she
Speaker 1: asks her to hang that's okay, she agrees, that's okay,
Speaker 1: Like I, you know, where it's like, okay, we've seen,
Speaker 1: you know, at the top of the movie the man
Speaker 1: saves the woman. But then I feel like it's very
Speaker 1: often implied and now she is indebted to him and
Speaker 1: it will spend a lot of time in the movie
Speaker 1: trying to, you know, repay him, and that was never
Speaker 1: implied in their relationship. Was also like the first time
Speaker 1: the spark in his eye for her started because he
Speaker 1: did the whole vv vv V and his monologue and
Speaker 1: what's her name? And what's her name? E V And
Speaker 1: he says, of course it is, you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's right. I love it well, because his whole theme
Speaker 1: is there are no coincidences. You know, everything is supposed
Speaker 1: to be the illusion of yeah, it's it's linear, and uh,
Speaker 1: I like that she has She's just like this, who
Speaker 1: is this fucking psychopath? And he was just like, oh no,
Speaker 1: this is meant to be. This is kind of cool. Right.
Speaker 1: Do you think that he workshopped that speech? Do you
Speaker 1: think he took it to open my practice? I'm so
Speaker 1: ready for that moment? Like, and that's another fun like
Speaker 1: adaptation trope where it's like that's such a like you know,
Speaker 1: such a like poetic, like every word in the dictionary
Speaker 1: that begins with V, he's like vile and viola ver
Speaker 1: like you know, he went through there's a lot of
Speaker 1: words he crossed out, probably in the pursuit of He's like, well,
Speaker 1: when I meet a girl that I like, I'm going
Speaker 1: to be so ready with not even it. He was
Speaker 1: just like, when someone is worth talking to, I'm going
Speaker 1: to be able to unleash the he's got. I've got
Speaker 1: a tight three minutes of speech, and he got and
Speaker 1: he's been practicing it the way he practices, which I
Speaker 1: thought was very It was charming. You know what he's weird,
Speaker 1: he's weird, he likes to have fun, he's still he's
Speaker 1: still childlike. Yeah, the best people are still childlike. And
Speaker 1: also I feel like just a general this isn't even
Speaker 1: like a super gendered trope, but like just you see
Speaker 1: like very isolated, lonely characters you don't very often see
Speaker 1: just weird ship that they do, Like you know, when
Speaker 1: you're alone a lot, and I can speak from personal experience,
Speaker 1: you do weird ship, and like when someone's around, you're like,
Speaker 1: oh wait, sorry, that's weird. Like I really enjoyed because
Speaker 1: when she walks in on him, he's so embarrassed. He's like, right,
Speaker 1: it would have been so easy for him to be
Speaker 1: like and here's five more words that begin with me.
Speaker 1: But he's sort of like, oh sorry, it's my favorite
Speaker 1: movie and do you want to watch it? Like it's
Speaker 1: super cute, and then he recites the lines as he's watching.
Speaker 1: It's just something I am so guilty of it very
Speaker 1: interest You'll find your own tree. Yeah, I thought that
Speaker 1: that was He even changed his voice to say the
Speaker 1: line that's what was also cute. Yeah, I was very
Speaker 1: charmed by that scene. I watched it twice back to
Speaker 1: the like him saving her thing. I wasn't bothered by
Speaker 1: it as much because then you see her save him
Speaker 1: later with what's that character's named Dominic. One of the
Speaker 1: detectives is about to shoot him when they're in the
Speaker 1: bt N building and Evie taps him on the shoulder
Speaker 1: and then mass him, allowing v to get away. So right,
Speaker 1: she sort of returns. I mean, that's why I always
Speaker 1: liked and he always knew as there were equals. That's
Speaker 1: what I always liked about their romance. Is as soon
Speaker 1: as he met her and found out her name was Evie,
Speaker 1: he was like, oh, fuck, yeah, she's it. She's my equal,
Speaker 1: and not like she's a bitch I want to fuck.
Speaker 1: She's my equal. And that's why you know she she
Speaker 1: saves his life because he saved hers. And it's like,
Speaker 1: that's what you do. You pay, You pay motherfucker back. Okay,
Speaker 1: So the next thing that happens, and again I'm just
Speaker 1: sort of like, I know, like the movie is more
Speaker 1: nuanced than this, there's a lot more to take into consideration,
Speaker 1: but I'm sort of just boiling down like very basic
Speaker 1: plot points. So the next thing that happened, so she
Speaker 1: goes with him to this quote unquote concert. The building
Speaker 1: explodes and it's clear that V had something to do
Speaker 1: with it. So the next day at work, she was
Speaker 1: like a BBC adjacent but it's like a government controlled
Speaker 1: TV network fake news, fake very fake news. I love
Speaker 1: just really quick. I love the I forget what his
Speaker 1: title was, but like the guy's TV shower just like
Speaker 1: what like again, just fun futuristic production design. That's like
Speaker 1: who is this for it? Like I have forty five
Speaker 1: TVs that show the same channel in my shower, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was that was like such a and he would
Speaker 1: just turn around and be four more TVs. It was great.
Speaker 1: Oh that scene was a little crazy to me because
Speaker 1: so EV's job is you can sort of assume like
Speaker 1: a p A because someone asks her to get like coffee,
Speaker 1: but then she also somehow has the clearance to access
Speaker 1: that dude's like private office room because V uses her.
Speaker 1: I d to like scanself into that, and it's like
Speaker 1: she would not have that clearance. Yeah, but it's fine,
Speaker 1: We'll ignore that. I was also going to say, and
Speaker 1: I don't know if you ladies feel this, but it's
Speaker 1: it's definitely different to watching the Trump era. Watching this
Speaker 1: is actually a crazy movie to watch right now, especially
Speaker 1: because I feel that this sort of like authoritarian government
Speaker 1: already sort of is happening or could get much worse
Speaker 1: in this movie any day. And that was the thing
Speaker 1: I think when I first watched it when I was younger,
Speaker 1: I was like, this is possible. I remember thinking that
Speaker 1: this is something that could happen if people don't speak up,
Speaker 1: if they don't because when I was I guess that's
Speaker 1: the other thing is when I was younger, when I
Speaker 1: was in my early twenties, used to be so much
Speaker 1: more politically active. I would march with my with my friends.
Speaker 1: My my friend she used to organize marches and protests
Speaker 1: and now she's a civil rights lawyer and I used
Speaker 1: to march with her and we would do all this ship.
Speaker 1: And I remember like watching this movie and being like,
Speaker 1: this is what could happen if we don't do anything.
Speaker 1: And then now we're like in it. So it's interesting
Speaker 1: to watch because people are now becoming informed, I think
Speaker 1: through Trump. So I guess it's it's like, guys, we
Speaker 1: got to avoid this ship right here. This is the
Speaker 1: ship we're trying to avoid, you know. It's it didn't
Speaker 1: feel as you know, alternative future as it as it
Speaker 1: used to. Yeah, like you know five when it came out,
Speaker 1: like you know, it feels like a possibility, but there
Speaker 1: weren't quite as many direct parallels that, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is a very bizarre movie to watch, even just
Speaker 1: like with the way that the government treats it's people
Speaker 1: where that felt I remember, I remember like when I
Speaker 1: first saw it felt way more cartoony then it does
Speaker 1: now and just yeah, just waiting for that curfew to
Speaker 1: roll in. I mean, for me, it didn't feel cartoony
Speaker 1: in the past because my parents came from a third
Speaker 1: world government, Like I've been informed about this ship. So
Speaker 1: for me, it was always like this could happen. So
Speaker 1: for me, it was always this could happen, This could happen.
Speaker 1: Now watching it was like, oh, this is happening, you know,
Speaker 1: and like like going back to fake news, like that's
Speaker 1: what's happening. It's so weird to watch in a movie
Speaker 1: in a theatrical sense because you're like, this is how
Speaker 1: these conversations are happening within our own government right now.
Speaker 1: Not that it wasn't the same in the past. I'm
Speaker 1: sure the government and the news were always working a
Speaker 1: little bit side by side, but now it's like their
Speaker 1: enemies because they're not all working together with the government,
Speaker 1: and so it's like it's being exposed. It's so weird, man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like Trump has like taken down
Speaker 1: that fourth wall, you know, yeah, and trying to build
Speaker 1: up another one between here in Mexico. But thanks, guys,
Speaker 1: I'm here for the jokes anyway. So the next thing
Speaker 1: that happens, he comes to the TV network, he plays
Speaker 1: his message to all the people on the little tinny
Speaker 1: c d oh yeah yeah, and then she helps and
Speaker 1: saves him by macing the cop which Jame mentioned earlier.
Speaker 1: He takes her and basically forces her to live with
Speaker 1: him for a year, or that's the expectation at that point,
Speaker 1: which we understand why he does that, otherwise she would
Speaker 1: be grave danger or killed. But it's also like the
Speaker 1: thing where it's like you are my prisoners sort of.
Speaker 1: It's it's again, it's not to keep pulling it back
Speaker 1: to family and the opera, but I mean it's like
Speaker 1: a more justified, high stakes version of that story where
Speaker 1: it's like it is for her safety, but there's but
Speaker 1: he also gives it the option. It's true, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can leave right she does and she does. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't know their their relationship is something that It's
Speaker 1: just like there were some points where I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I get it, and then other points where I was like,
Speaker 1: this does not bode well. I don't know. Well, well,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, before we get into this, I
Speaker 1: was going to bring up the plan the year in
Speaker 1: advance protests, whatever you wanna call it. I just found
Speaker 1: it funny because when um Rose McGowan did the women
Speaker 1: boycott Twitter thing, I was like, that's why it didn't work,
Speaker 1: because a bitch don't plan the ship out like a
Speaker 1: good protest or a good boycott. You need to let
Speaker 1: everybody know. You need to like set a date, you
Speaker 1: need all that it's happening. There needs to be some
Speaker 1: build up so that there are some consequences that are severe.
Speaker 1: This wasn't that like a next day. I found out
Speaker 1: in the middle of what I was supposed to. That's
Speaker 1: why I was so stupid. I mean it was I
Speaker 1: was like, listen, bit, if you would have planned this
Speaker 1: like next week, I'm getting up Twitter four a week,
Speaker 1: then we could have all had that discussion. Women of
Speaker 1: color could have been like, what the funk are you
Speaker 1: talking about? And you know, we could have had those
Speaker 1: arguments with each other or there's discussions with each other.
Speaker 1: Um So I love that he's like in a year,
Speaker 1: motherfucker's I'm a ride or die for this ship? Are you?
Speaker 1: I'm bunkering down until it happens. But I love I
Speaker 1: love that, and I love that. You know, the timeline
Speaker 1: of the movie, I just everybody's you know, it's the Fall,
Speaker 1: It's the and it builds well, it builds very well.
Speaker 1: So the next thing that happens is that she essentially
Speaker 1: tricks him into thinking that she wants to help, and
Speaker 1: whether or not she actually wants to help maybe the case,
Speaker 1: but she sort of uses it as a way to
Speaker 1: try to escape, which is what happens where she's like,
Speaker 1: I want to help. If there's anything I can do.
Speaker 1: He's like, actually, you can dress up as a sex
Speaker 1: worker and trick this and this is one of those
Speaker 1: moms whereas like, ah, there, surely there was another way
Speaker 1: to do that, but she yeah. So she then goes
Speaker 1: to this bishop who's one of the people that V
Speaker 1: is targeting to kill, and then she's all like, help
Speaker 1: me I need protection. I'm evie him, and I'm a
Speaker 1: prisoner of this terrorist. The bishop doesn't believe her. He
Speaker 1: just proceeds with trying to rape her, and then he
Speaker 1: comes in and kills him. I actually liked that scene
Speaker 1: because I love that men are so perverted and fucked
Speaker 1: up that women can use their sexuality against them, because
Speaker 1: men are weak, and I wish them more women knew
Speaker 1: how to manipulate that and into our favor, you know,
Speaker 1: which is why I like them working side by side
Speaker 1: to kind of take advantage of this man's weakness of
Speaker 1: you know, wanting to fuck kids, and then they use
Speaker 1: it against him and then he kills him, which is great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I think sex workers should be looked at as
Speaker 1: heroes in our society because they are doing the lord's work,
Speaker 1: because men are pieces of ship. Um not all man
Speaker 1: hashtag whatever funk off, but so many men are. Aristottle
Speaker 1: is really nice. Everyone else he can say, he can
Speaker 1: say everyone else, everyone. I just I just think that
Speaker 1: sex workers are are looked down upon, and I love
Speaker 1: that they kind of flipped it on its head of like, no,
Speaker 1: they're going to use this against him, and it is
Speaker 1: his inevitable downfall, and it's because men are weak. I
Speaker 1: was feeling hard for for e V in that scene
Speaker 1: because like, for a large trunk of the movie, and
Speaker 1: and towards the end she's able to you know, she
Speaker 1: has agency more in a way where she has more options,
Speaker 1: but for for a lot of the movie, it's very
Speaker 1: survival based decisions that she has to make of like
Speaker 1: this is what I have to do to stay on
Speaker 1: this person's good side so that I can remain safe,
Speaker 1: or this is what I have to do so I
Speaker 1: can remain alive or whatever. So like there's so much
Speaker 1: going on in that scene of like she has I
Speaker 1: don't know if I do. We we don't see that
Speaker 1: discussion of like the plan of right, so we don't
Speaker 1: know whose idea it is or like or anything like that.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's in the book. I don't remember, but like
Speaker 1: we see her do that, and it's like, Okay, this
Speaker 1: was someone's idea. We don't know whose idea was. It
Speaker 1: could have been EV's idea. But then you know, once
Speaker 1: she's in that interaction with the bishop, she's placed a
Speaker 1: fair amount of trust in his authority to help her
Speaker 1: out and get her free of someone she's not yet
Speaker 1: quite sure about, and then that backfires and he's a
Speaker 1: fucking lecherous, evil creed and then he's killed rightfully. So
Speaker 1: but in now she suddenly faced with this new dynamic
Speaker 1: of like, now V knows that she doesn't really trust him,
Speaker 1: and she just is like I'm sorry and like leaves
Speaker 1: and it's like, I just that whole scene was so
Speaker 1: stressful to watch, but it's just like she's just making
Speaker 1: all these survival based decisions of like, Okay, that happened,
Speaker 1: Now what do I do to remain safe? Yeah, but
Speaker 1: that scene is good because it's a reminder to people
Speaker 1: that they shouldn't trust people that are in power just
Speaker 1: because they're in power. That's why I like that scene,
Speaker 1: because I like that she puts faith in a bishop
Speaker 1: because I think we all would think that would be
Speaker 1: the thing to do with that moment, to be able
Speaker 1: to trust, right. And then once you realize that's a mistake,
Speaker 1: she runs because she was like, well, not who do
Speaker 1: I trust? You know? And I do to your point,
Speaker 1: I do like that She's always making these like last
Speaker 1: minute decisions, but they keep kind of exposing who the
Speaker 1: real weak people are in our society. Well, which is
Speaker 1: why I like kind of hits for me that she
Speaker 1: does end up trusting V by the I mean, and
Speaker 1: there are other points that will get to but it
Speaker 1: is sort of time and time again where she we
Speaker 1: see her testing everything she's been taught and that is
Speaker 1: unraveling and really the only consistent anything is the wanting
Speaker 1: to keep her safe. Well, he's trying to make her strong.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what she says, and that when she's
Speaker 1: first captured, because like, I wish I was stronger. I
Speaker 1: wish I wasn't so weak. And you see his you know,
Speaker 1: there's a shot of him where he kind of like
Speaker 1: cox his head like, oh you do do you you
Speaker 1: want to be stronger? I can make you stronger. A
Speaker 1: lot of head cock acting had to do. Like it's
Speaker 1: so funny about that movie is there's like these long
Speaker 1: monologues and it's just a mask, and you're like, am
Speaker 1: I really just watching a mask right now? Like no
Speaker 1: emotion there, just it's all on the boy's But I
Speaker 1: do I like that he just he sees it and
Speaker 1: he almost like accepts the challenge of like, bitch, I
Speaker 1: will make you the strongest, ye, I will make you
Speaker 1: as strong as I am. And we are, Because at
Speaker 1: first you're like, Okay, is she just saying that to
Speaker 1: on his good side so that he'll trust him enough
Speaker 1: for her to be able to leverage that into running away.
Speaker 1: But then you also understand why she could very well
Speaker 1: want that, because her sort of like main driving desire
Speaker 1: in this movie ends up being like, I do want
Speaker 1: to be stronger. I do want to be strong enough
Speaker 1: to rise up and tear down this regime basically well,
Speaker 1: and like learning about her background later exactly her parents
Speaker 1: did and stuff. Yeah, because her parents were political activists
Speaker 1: and her brother was killed in the St. Mary's virus outbreak,
Speaker 1: which is one of the things that like the government
Speaker 1: unleashed on its unpopulation to control its people, comparably, reasons
Speaker 1: for her to actually want that are established. So I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that was her journey in this movie is
Speaker 1: a lesson impulsiveness, because even after she saves him and
Speaker 1: spray paints dominic, the next morning, she's like, I don't
Speaker 1: know why I did that. I can't believe I did that.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I did that. Like she's questioning
Speaker 1: the thing that she impulsively did. But it was the
Speaker 1: right thing to do, you know, for her to save him,
Speaker 1: but she's listly doubting herself and questioning herself because she
Speaker 1: doesn't she's not thinking things through all the way because
Speaker 1: then he says, like, is that what you think? And
Speaker 1: that's the whole journey for her throughout the whole movie
Speaker 1: until you know it gets to work it, which is
Speaker 1: a compelling journey that we don't often see women go
Speaker 1: through in movies. So that's cool because that's the thing is,
Speaker 1: she's not making decisions based on her feelings for him.
Speaker 1: She's making decisions based on what she thinks she wants
Speaker 1: or doesn't want, or what's right or what's wrong for her.
Speaker 1: That's what she's doing, right, And in a lot of ways,
Speaker 1: I feel like she's for so long she is making
Speaker 1: a lot of instinctive survival based us. And then by
Speaker 1: the end she has more agency to the point where
Speaker 1: like v literally puts the agency in her hands and like,
Speaker 1: you decide whether this happens because you know the student
Speaker 1: is ready right, right? And I like that because by
Speaker 1: the end she genuinely does have a choice, and we
Speaker 1: see from most of the movie her not really having
Speaker 1: much of a choice, but she does have a choice.
Speaker 1: That's the things. She always had a choice, It's just
Speaker 1: that she didn't always think things through. That's why I
Speaker 1: like her story, because she constantly had to make a decision,
Speaker 1: and sometimes it was on a whim, right right, and
Speaker 1: something that again, just like watching it in this particular
Speaker 1: era right now is like there's a lot of fear
Speaker 1: based decision making too, where I don't think I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't remember specifically, but I don't think when I
Speaker 1: first saw this movie I could as closely identify with like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like, why would she have this job
Speaker 1: at the not BBC working for the people who are
Speaker 1: oppressing her and everyone she knows. But then, you know,
Speaker 1: when you have more of a real life applicable way,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, because she's afraid, Like look at all
Speaker 1: these people. She's lost for these exact reasons, and it
Speaker 1: does take a lot of inner strength to be able to,
Speaker 1: you know, make a a antarchic decision. Right. So um, okay,
Speaker 1: So now we're leading up to the part where she
Speaker 1: goes to Gordon Dietrich's house and Dietrich is a friend
Speaker 1: of hers and who hosts like weird Pratfall British like
Speaker 1: Benny Hill's style satire show. What a weird fun scene
Speaker 1: in the middle of that movie to watch that goofy
Speaker 1: goofy broadcast that gets him murdered. Yeah. Wild. Well, then
Speaker 1: that leads to what I find to be the most
Speaker 1: unsettling part of the movie is that she so she
Speaker 1: goes to Gordon Dietrich's house. She's under his care and
Speaker 1: protection for a while. Step. Yes, he makes that episode crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was cool that he was like defined, He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we we threwout the censor proof script shot this one.
Speaker 1: It gets him killed, He gets him black bagged by Creedy,
Speaker 1: and then yeah, they find a Koran in his house
Speaker 1: and that gets executed. And we also know he is
Speaker 1: one of I believe to queer characters whose stories we
Speaker 1: hear reference in this That's the other thing. This is
Speaker 1: one of the first movies that we've discussed on this
Speaker 1: podcast where there's a prominent character in the movie who
Speaker 1: is queer. We do kind of well yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the Valerie who we who we meet a little later.
Speaker 1: So yeah, So, once Dietrich gets captured by Creedy, she
Speaker 1: has to flee again, and then she gets captured almost immediately,
Speaker 1: and we assume that it's also by Creedy's people. She's
Speaker 1: in prison, she's locked in the cell. All of her
Speaker 1: hair gets shaven off. This woman, Yep, you get the
Speaker 1: more empowered you get in movies usually if you're it's
Speaker 1: the rule. Yes. Anyway, So she gets captured, she's in prison,
Speaker 1: she's tortured. We think it's from Creedy and all of
Speaker 1: those guys. And in this process of her being imprisoned,
Speaker 1: she loses her fear. She's like, you know what, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to be an informant. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: tell you where V is. You can funk off and
Speaker 1: shoot me. And she learns story. Who we learned is
Speaker 1: a character that was in the cell next V all
Speaker 1: those years ago when he was imprisoned and being used
Speaker 1: for these like biological experiments. That's also another moment I
Speaker 1: bugged me because she was like, I'm writing this note
Speaker 1: on toilet paper, and I'm like, that's a regular paper,
Speaker 1: right toilet paper in that world, Like you can write
Speaker 1: on his parchment. I know, it's like you're wiping her
Speaker 1: ass with really nice parching. That was one of those
Speaker 1: uh moments where she can use her idea together anywhere.
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, that's that's a stretch. But then
Speaker 1: I sort of like then I was like, now, like Evie,
Speaker 1: you're dumb because that's just a flaw and V's plan
Speaker 1: of he had parchment and he's like you did you
Speaker 1: really think that the parchment is toilet paper? And where
Speaker 1: did she get a pen? Not discussed nice pen, great handwriting?
Speaker 1: What was a pencil? Right? Yeah? Maybe either way that
Speaker 1: was that was funny. Yeah, that was funny. I'm glad
Speaker 1: we all agree on that. So once she is devoid
Speaker 1: of fear, she gets let free and then she comes
Speaker 1: into the room into literally in figuratively she's set free. Yes,
Speaker 1: And then yeah, that scene where views like it was
Speaker 1: me and it was like, um, real high level gas lighting.
Speaker 1: Way to commit to gasoline. Yeah. Again, it's hard because
Speaker 1: it's like you can look at that one level of
Speaker 1: like yeah, that's high level psychological abuse. On the other end,
Speaker 1: if we're looking at like the student teacher relationship in
Speaker 1: the direst of times, I don't know. I mean, I
Speaker 1: am sort of left floating in the wind on that
Speaker 1: one because it worked, it didn't work, it worked, but
Speaker 1: did the surely there was a better way means, But
Speaker 1: I mean there's also there's something to be said about
Speaker 1: I mean, the government killed her whole family, and that
Speaker 1: is fucked up. And she didn't take it as the
Speaker 1: government doing it to her. She took it as just like, well,
Speaker 1: I guess I got to be scared, just like everybody else.
Speaker 1: So she didn't become stronger after that happened, even though
Speaker 1: I think she should have. And on the flip, Fee
Speaker 1: is like, no, I'm going to do this to you
Speaker 1: to make you stronger, because you are strong. And that's
Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, you guys can throw anything
Speaker 1: you want at man to make it work. But I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the thing, is that going back to that the
Speaker 1: quote of like people shouldn't be scared of the governments,
Speaker 1: or government should be scared of our people, because that's
Speaker 1: that it's a flip on that, you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: him kind of exposing like you should have changed after
Speaker 1: your parents were murdered and your brother was murdered. But
Speaker 1: she got more scared and it shouldn't be because she
Speaker 1: should know, like, you're gonna die one day, so you
Speaker 1: should be strong no matter what. And so he just
Speaker 1: kind of tortured her to be like basically, if you're government,
Speaker 1: because that's the illusion, right, the government is doing this
Speaker 1: to her and she finally can stand up to them
Speaker 1: as before she couldn't, and then of course to find
Speaker 1: out it's him, it's a total line funk for everybody, right,
Speaker 1: And we do see her she has an appropriate because
Speaker 1: she was just like oh good one like right well,
Speaker 1: And this got me back to thinking about the other
Speaker 1: kind of popular examples of the captor re educating the
Speaker 1: captive for whatever reason. And this is again like a
Speaker 1: movie where in most situations we see a captor holding
Speaker 1: someone hostage and changing their way of thinking, but usually
Speaker 1: pretty much for selfish reasons, pretty much for like I
Speaker 1: want you to love me, so I'm going to keep
Speaker 1: you in a room until you do. Where this there,
Speaker 1: it's far more complicated, like and personally, I think that
Speaker 1: this movie and story would work for me if there
Speaker 1: wasn't a love story. There is, and that's fine too,
Speaker 1: but like if this ended up being like the sort
Speaker 1: of like and these two characters just have like an inseparable,
Speaker 1: very intense bond that works for me too. But either way,
Speaker 1: he's not holding her to make her fall in love
Speaker 1: with him, and I think that that's the most common
Speaker 1: male cap. You're holding a woman and so I love
Speaker 1: Beauty and the Beast phantom. Yeah, so it's a similar situation,
Speaker 1: but the end goal is very different where he's trying
Speaker 1: to I guess more or less cure her of her
Speaker 1: own fear. And so in that way, even though it
Speaker 1: looks similar, the end goal is not really selfish. And
Speaker 1: then and so it well, I mean it is his
Speaker 1: revolution that he's trying to start, so it is like
Speaker 1: a smidge selfish, but also she has every reason to
Speaker 1: want to be a part of this revolution. She's a
Speaker 1: good pick based on her. Yeah, it's it's tricky. It's tricky,
Speaker 1: and I mean when they I mean you see the
Speaker 1: world that they live in, like, of course you'd want
Speaker 1: to tear that down and not live in that regime.
Speaker 1: So the sticks are high, and it does stand a
Speaker 1: reason why all these characters would want to dismantle this
Speaker 1: horrible government. So and not to just say like, hey,
Speaker 1: here's the thing that this movie could have done wrong
Speaker 1: but didn't, But there's like a lot of I feel
Speaker 1: like easy bad writing things that could have been in
Speaker 1: here in terms of like maybe there's another guy that's
Speaker 1: very common in like these capture situations where there's a
Speaker 1: guy on the other side who's like fighting to try
Speaker 1: and find her and save her, and she doesn't have that,
Speaker 1: like she has whoever mumbly grumbly British police guy that
Speaker 1: she ends up with is. But he's not trying to
Speaker 1: help her, right Like, there isn't anyone trying to save
Speaker 1: her really like and you can even argue V's not
Speaker 1: really trying to save her as much as get her
Speaker 1: to where he thinks she needs to be, well, where
Speaker 1: she wants to be. She says it right, right, but
Speaker 1: but it's tricky, and I mean he is sneaky about
Speaker 1: of course have to, right, you kind of have to.
Speaker 1: It's tricky. You can't just tell someone be stronger, stronger,
Speaker 1: fight the government. It's you know, to imprison them for
Speaker 1: a few weeks first, Like but do you have to?
Speaker 1: That's the question A struggle you can like where it
Speaker 1: was there another way maybe not, but like he just
Speaker 1: knew through his experience it worked for him. That was
Speaker 1: like that's all he has to go on. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: true because in some ways that you do see him
Speaker 1: kind of sculpting her in his vision based on his
Speaker 1: own past. And again it's like dire times. But I
Speaker 1: mean he knows how like painful, and you know, like
Speaker 1: he is actively making that choice to cause someone he
Speaker 1: cares about pain, and that is something that I don't mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's open to interpretation. Yeah, because he
Speaker 1: says something like, um, you don't understand how hard that
Speaker 1: was for me to do. But every time I saw
Speaker 1: you resist, like I knew I had to keep going
Speaker 1: like she was like on the brink, and then he
Speaker 1: just had to push it a little bit further. It
Speaker 1: is and it is very gaslighting because he I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the most elaborate gaslighting we've ever seen. He knows
Speaker 1: the high kind would have. Who is funding him because
Speaker 1: he's playing all these different characters. He's got all these
Speaker 1: different costumes, he's changing his voice around. Who's donating to
Speaker 1: his Patreon apparently has all those he has all those masks.
Speaker 1: He has the resources to something. He said something like
Speaker 1: he clears the tracks and lays more of it. He
Speaker 1: lays subway tracks ten years. Yeah, like where where is
Speaker 1: he getting his wealth? That's another weird trope with this
Speaker 1: setup though, of like the captor somehow has unlimited resources.
Speaker 1: They always live in a castle. They live something some
Speaker 1: some subterranean palace, and they're like, I have a lot
Speaker 1: of money, don't ask. It's gonna look nice. The letting
Speaker 1: is going to be low. It's gonna be nice. I
Speaker 1: have a TV, but I also have candles. V's room
Speaker 1: is kind of a library. She's surrounded by all those
Speaker 1: books and Belle and beauty. The Beast loved the library.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of symmetry here. There's a lot. I
Speaker 1: was gonna say to going back to um, you mentioned
Speaker 1: that you didn't like that there was like a romance
Speaker 1: storyline and you could have done without it. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: h My civil rights lawyer friend when I was like, oh, look,
Speaker 1: because I think I was had the book or I
Speaker 1: had the mask or something in my room, and she
Speaker 1: saw it and she's like, oh, do you like the movie?
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I love that movie. I was like,
Speaker 1: you don't like as a political activist, like you don't
Speaker 1: like this movie. She was like, it's a good movie.
Speaker 1: She was like, except for him torturing her, like for love,
Speaker 1: I have too much experience with that within civil rights organizers.
Speaker 1: She was like, the men are like that, where like
Speaker 1: they torture you and torture you, and they're really like
Speaker 1: of course the men in in you know, activism are
Speaker 1: sucked up too, But she was like, there's too many
Speaker 1: parallels in my real life. Was like, you think that
Speaker 1: these men are like doing the right thing, but you
Speaker 1: know when it comes to the women, they're not. So
Speaker 1: when she told me, and she told me this like
Speaker 1: a few weeks ago, so I was like, I watched
Speaker 1: it differently a little bit with that in mind, of like, damn,
Speaker 1: I didn't think about it as torturing for her love, right,
Speaker 1: you know. And it's yeah, I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's super interesting to hear, I mean, and unfortunate that
Speaker 1: those dynamics exist even in like the most noble of professions.
Speaker 1: And of course, of course, but they're people are still people.
Speaker 1: People are still people. People will still be sucking up
Speaker 1: no matter what they're living is. But yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 1: Like I think that adding in the love story, like
Speaker 1: it isn't out of nowhere. It makes sense that you know,
Speaker 1: like he is at the end of even though he's
Speaker 1: representing this idea, he is a person. And that's I
Speaker 1: feel like what the opening and closing lines of this
Speaker 1: movie speak to where she's like, it's basically the man
Speaker 1: behind it, like the individual affected. You can't kiss an
Speaker 1: idea idea, but you can kiss a man and a
Speaker 1: man it's who I miss, right, which which I was.
Speaker 1: I was like rolling my eyes a little bit. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I have kissed an idea before. I've had
Speaker 1: I've had people kiss me because I'm an idea to them.
Speaker 1: So that's what that's what's been frustrating. Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1: And then and then when that wears off and you're like,
Speaker 1: I'm a person, They're just like, oh, actually cannot cannot
Speaker 1: exactly if you're a person. I have to like it's like, great,
Speaker 1: see you exactly. Oh god, I'm gonna have a sesut. Anyways,
Speaker 1: I did want to mention the Shawshank redemption moment in
Speaker 1: this movie where she goes out into the rain and
Speaker 1: she puts her hands up and she's like, also, I'm free,
Speaker 1: super silly two thousand five c G. I rain shot
Speaker 1: like a blue just like it was super super silly.
Speaker 1: It was a great sound effect. It's a little fully
Speaker 1: you see, you're like the vantage point of the rain
Speaker 1: falling on sure, great love it. And then he's starting
Speaker 1: there with his arms folded like fucky, it's raining, it's cool.
Speaker 1: The love story, it just you know, like you can
Speaker 1: you can draw the parallel to their very obvious age difference,
Speaker 1: just based on their discussions of he's clearly significantly older
Speaker 1: than her and also like, I don't know, those were
Speaker 1: just like the parts of the movie that interested me
Speaker 1: the least, where that scene where it's like, I know,
Speaker 1: we have to and an audience have to be kept
Speaker 1: in like, oh, but he's also an individual. So that
Speaker 1: scene where you know, you see the mask be thrown
Speaker 1: off and he's like, oh, he punches the mirror, right,
Speaker 1: very fan of the opera punching a mirror peak fit
Speaker 1: about I don't know. I think I would have enjoyed
Speaker 1: watching her fun his burned dick. That wasn't what was going, Like,
Speaker 1: I rod dog and that ship? Are you crazy? I
Speaker 1: was wondering about some freak nasty ship. That's what I
Speaker 1: was waiting for the whole time. There's a few different
Speaker 1: scenes where have like he's rope like like a rope
Speaker 1: where like in theory, if he had a direction, you'd
Speaker 1: probably be able to tell can we see that shot?
Speaker 1: We can't. We can't. We really wanted to see that
Speaker 1: burned meat that we should watch the Also, this is
Speaker 1: written by the god who the Matrix and the last
Speaker 1: the last fight scene was another one where I was
Speaker 1: like Jesus Christ, where there's a few Matrix shots like
Speaker 1: a fring and you're just like, okay, called down, we
Speaker 1: get it. We saw the movie in two thou five.
Speaker 1: That was the coolest thing I'd ever seen that. But
Speaker 1: you saw The Matrix and ninety nine it's a little different.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I remember I was in the theater. I
Speaker 1: think I sawed this with JT. And we just looked
Speaker 1: at each other and we're like, this is the best
Speaker 1: movie I've ever seen. I did a guy once. He goes,
Speaker 1: what's your favorite movie? I said, for Vendetta, and I sup,
Speaker 1: what's your first movie? He said The Matrix and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I've never seen it. And he goes, well,
Speaker 1: just so you know, V for Vendetta is the woman
Speaker 1: version of the Matrix. And that's what I mean by that.
Speaker 1: He's a asshole, that's what he meant by that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's like and then yeah, and then I just recently
Speaker 1: watched The Matrix for the first time and I was like,
Speaker 1: what that doesn't make this doesn't make sense. But I
Speaker 1: just dated an asshole like I always do. But that
Speaker 1: doesn't check out. It doesn't check out at all. It doesn't.
Speaker 1: And I couldn't argue because I hadn't watched it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, like took me
Speaker 1: down a notch. And I was like, oh no, I'm
Speaker 1: just another girl. And I was like, oh no, he's
Speaker 1: just another dickad Yeah. Yeah, Well, if you're listening, funk
Speaker 1: right off, you're dead wrong. Oh no, he's our biggest fan.
Speaker 1: Oh um. Can we talk about some of the other
Speaker 1: female characters, and by that I mean there are very few.
Speaker 1: One of them is the Corner. Oh yeah, she's a
Speaker 1: woman in Stem. She has a woman in Stem, and
Speaker 1: she's the only one of the people that V goes
Speaker 1: after who shows any sort of like compassion and regret
Speaker 1: and sorrow for what she did all the other ones
Speaker 1: and receives the same in return, which I thought was nice,
Speaker 1: where she does not die the painful death that most
Speaker 1: she has to die, and like, I get like, she
Speaker 1: has to die according to the plan, but he kind
Speaker 1: of cuts her a break where he's like, Jesse, you know,
Speaker 1: you're basically dead and she's like, oh, that didn't hurt
Speaker 1: at all, thank you, thank you so much. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I liked that. I thought that was like responsibly. And
Speaker 1: then the other notable female character is Valerie. She's only
Speaker 1: ever met in flashbacks, but she's the person who is
Speaker 1: in the cell next to v whenever he was imprisoned
Speaker 1: at lark Hill. Yeah, we learned of her story. She
Speaker 1: is a lesbian. She came out to her parents, they
Speaker 1: disowned her. She started a career as an actress, she
Speaker 1: met like the love of her life, and then it
Speaker 1: was around that time that the government started targeting LGBT
Speaker 1: people Muslims, basically detaining them for just Trump right, and
Speaker 1: even prior to that, being that high stake of a situation,
Speaker 1: she was disowned by her own family and and still
Speaker 1: was unapologetic about who she was, which is like so
Speaker 1: cool and also heartbreaking to see the consequences of it. Yeah, totally,
Speaker 1: But those are like the two main female characters. Besides,
Speaker 1: and then I was like, oh, why why are there
Speaker 1: more women in this movie? And then I thought about
Speaker 1: it and I was like, Okay, well, most of the
Speaker 1: bo in this movie are either government officials or law
Speaker 1: enforcement because that's what the story calls for, and none
Speaker 1: of those people would probably be women because this is
Speaker 1: a society where they wouldn't hire women design. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: are certainly opportunities for more speaking female rolled at least,
Speaker 1: But then when we see those like long montages of
Speaker 1: like when v is on screen on TV or even
Speaker 1: when people are watching the Stephen Fries Goofy thing, we
Speaker 1: see I mean there there's women in homes, there's women
Speaker 1: and bars are there. They are there's a little girl
Speaker 1: with the glasses. So they are present in the society.
Speaker 1: They're just almost never in positions of power, which makes
Speaker 1: sense with this It's normally that would bother us, I
Speaker 1: think in a movie, but in this movie, the integral
Speaker 1: to the story, right, Yeah, there's no Avanka. Trump's the
Speaker 1: two female characters that we see in detail at least
Speaker 1: who are not Evy. I feel like almost offer the
Speaker 1: two paths that Evie could end up on, where it's
Speaker 1: like the woman who does end up getting pretty high
Speaker 1: up in government or in her field in medicine, but
Speaker 1: with the past that's like she was like I thought
Speaker 1: about killing myself, she changed her name, she tried to
Speaker 1: flee the country, like she was guilty, guilty, but then
Speaker 1: also scared, like he was saying, like she succumbed to
Speaker 1: the fear and then just stopped. I mean, that was
Speaker 1: the reason she continued to work, because she was like,
Speaker 1: what else am I gonna do? They're gonna kill me
Speaker 1: or I'm gonna have to live in anonymity? Um, and
Speaker 1: why why would she do that? It's also like, of
Speaker 1: course the women are compassionate most I would say, most
Speaker 1: women are not not all women hashtag you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like, those women definitely exist when they're attempted
Speaker 1: with power, but I think more often than not, it's
Speaker 1: just it's not as common as it is with men
Speaker 1: in power. Yeah, it was. It was cool to you know,
Speaker 1: first see that this woman who rose very high in
Speaker 1: her field but dies with regrets because she didn't stand
Speaker 1: up for the right thing. And then Valerie who always
Speaker 1: stands up for the right thing and is punished and
Speaker 1: basically killed for it. Yeah, that's a great point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a great point. I don't think about that. You're
Speaker 1: so smart. That's my next I know, But I mean,
Speaker 1: and the moment of silence for a brilliant but they're
Speaker 1: that scene between v and I'm sorry. What was the
Speaker 1: doctor's corner? The corner she was a name um Delia surage.
Speaker 1: That moment between them seemed, I mean, and for V,
Speaker 1: who's generally pretty violent towards people who sucked with him,
Speaker 1: was like a good character moment for him too, because
Speaker 1: you're just like, what was that line where she's just like,
Speaker 1: is it too late to stay sorry? And he's like, no,
Speaker 1: he can do. She actually sings that song too late?
Speaker 1: Is it now to say sorry? That's what goes from
Speaker 1: my head were to a very different people, kit she
Speaker 1: just does a quick mash up V like cool, here's
Speaker 1: a flower goodbye. Yeah. I do like that. I do
Speaker 1: like that she apologizes, and I do like that he's
Speaker 1: open to it. I mean, I think people should be, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, if you want to, if you're trying to
Speaker 1: grow and contribute to the greater good of society. And
Speaker 1: I think he's like giving her a gift there too,
Speaker 1: where it's like, you know, she's dying with regret, but
Speaker 1: it's probably when you're dying with all that regret, useful
Speaker 1: to be able to at least express that to someone
Speaker 1: who you've wrong. And it's also sweet that he's using
Speaker 1: her flowers. He's like, I've been growing your flowers. I
Speaker 1: love your flowers. I think your flowers are great. I
Speaker 1: think that you were capable of being something better as
Speaker 1: a botanist. Also her diary that she deliberately gets out
Speaker 1: and leaves behind so that someone will find it, and
Speaker 1: luckily it falls in the hands of she wanted me
Speaker 1: to habit. But he leaves it because he doesn't care.
Speaker 1: He doesn't care about the story. Um. But then Finch
Speaker 1: gets ahold of it, and then he he's a party member.
Speaker 1: He's right under Sutler. But you can tell throughout the
Speaker 1: movie he's having he's questioning all these things about the government.
Speaker 1: He's having my favorite movie Doubt. He brings some doubt
Speaker 1: shout out to Doubt, and then it's honestly the worst
Speaker 1: podcast I've ever done. No, no, I'm sorry ahead. So um,
Speaker 1: he gets ahold of it, he learns all this information
Speaker 1: that I think informs his doubt, and then by the
Speaker 1: end he's totally on. I mean, he like holds a
Speaker 1: gun on TV. But then he's like, yeah, you're right,
Speaker 1: we should go up this building. So like, if I
Speaker 1: think it weren't for that, he wouldn't be so on
Speaker 1: the right side of the revolution. Yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 1: definitely like that. He read it and was like, oh, ship,
Speaker 1: this is what happened. These fucking fool This government is
Speaker 1: sucked up, like he's starting to see like he works
Speaker 1: for the police. But and I do like that because
Speaker 1: it is possible for people to have the right perspective
Speaker 1: in these situations if you're informed and if you have
Speaker 1: even believe But yeah, it was I like that. I
Speaker 1: like that to change his mind because he was always teetering, right,
Speaker 1: you know, that's where the curiosity was coming from. It
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. Why the funk would this, A, B
Speaker 1: and C be leading to this? And and then he
Speaker 1: starts getting these answers and he's like, oh man, and
Speaker 1: that's why him and Eve end up together because she
Speaker 1: fucking fills him in. And he was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: she sucks his dick, but dick, so like, what's the point, right,
Speaker 1: That's why I always ain't burnt, But he he ain't
Speaker 1: turned a little T shirt into it for Vendetti's shirt.
Speaker 1: Just a guy fox, it's a tongue hanging out like
Speaker 1: all right, he and he have the same outlook. On coincidence, though,
Speaker 1: where there is no such thing as coincidence, only the
Speaker 1: illusion of coincidence, which I love that actually going back
Speaker 1: to there are no coincidences, my dad's funeral being on
Speaker 1: November five, after the fact, it opened my eyes because
Speaker 1: it wasn't until my dad passed away that I actually
Speaker 1: believed that. It wasn't until he passed away that everything
Speaker 1: kind of led up to him passing away and my life,
Speaker 1: my life made more sense, not just the future, but
Speaker 1: also the past. So then when I rewatched the movie,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, fuck, it's true for me. And
Speaker 1: even though I didn't really believe that when I first
Speaker 1: watched the movie, it definitely changed. And then I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course his funeral is on November five because there
Speaker 1: are no coincidences, And for me, it definitely rang true,
Speaker 1: like even more so now than it did in the past,
Speaker 1: I think, and I and that almost feels like a
Speaker 1: more like I don't know, like that seems like a
Speaker 1: more optimistic because to me, like saying that there is
Speaker 1: no coincidence just opens everything to there's no order, where
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, we was like vas this anarchist figure,
Speaker 1: but he also doesn't think that there's no so there
Speaker 1: is some sort of greater something at work which is
Speaker 1: nice and and feels optimistic romantic. Yeah, yeah it is.
Speaker 1: That's a real romance. It's a little hot. I remember
Speaker 1: seeing the movie for the first time and seeing the kiss,
Speaker 1: which when she hit the first and I was like,
Speaker 1: what a weird choice for that to happen. And now
Speaker 1: I'm like, I get it. I get it. Yeah, now
Speaker 1: I understand lot of you guys, I don't. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't need it, but I get it. But I
Speaker 1: get it. I mean, listen, I've kissed a lot of
Speaker 1: dudes are dead inside, so I get like emotionally burned Victyeah,
Speaker 1: that's what it was like, I've done that. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: into emotional burn victims. Pretty chill. I think that it's
Speaker 1: it's weird because there is like a lot of gendered
Speaker 1: stuff in this movie and a lot to talk about,
Speaker 1: but it's almost overshadowed by the medical nature of this story.
Speaker 1: And so it was like, I don't know, it was
Speaker 1: this was like a really interesting, challenging thing to watch,
Speaker 1: similar to how like when we talked about get Out,
Speaker 1: it was like not a movie that necessarily treats women well,
Speaker 1: but that's okay, because what is the real focus of
Speaker 1: the movie, right, Yeah, So yeah, I have a lot
Speaker 1: of complicated feelings about be for Vendetta because you know,
Speaker 1: you can sort of boil things down to like he
Speaker 1: imprisons her, he tortures her, he gaslights her, dada. But
Speaker 1: that's a little too simple or simple it is, right,
Speaker 1: So it is a very interesting movie to discuss so ourselves.
Speaker 1: Thank you for bringing it to us. It's my it's
Speaker 1: my pleasure. Let's discuss whether or not it passes the
Speaker 1: Bechtel test with the it does, does it? It was like,
Speaker 1: it's sort of there's one exchange where you're like, so,
Speaker 1: there's right. There is a scene where a woman whose
Speaker 1: name we don't ever find out, so that right away
Speaker 1: does not pass the back to test, but she does
Speaker 1: talk to Evie. Uh. They're watching sort of the news coverage,
Speaker 1: the fabricated news coverage of the blowing up of the
Speaker 1: bailey on TV, and she's like, do you believe that
Speaker 1: load of bullocks? There was no bloody demolition. I saw it.
Speaker 1: Did you see it? And Evie is like no, last
Speaker 1: night I was like, She's like, oh, that's right. You
Speaker 1: went to see Daddy Dietrich, do you like my British taxing?
Speaker 1: You guys? So they talked about a man like after
Speaker 1: three lines, and we don't know her name, so that
Speaker 1: does not pass. But then a woman comes in and
Speaker 1: she's like, Evie, there you are. You are still working
Speaker 1: for me, aren't you? Sorry? Patricia, so we know her name,
Speaker 1: and then Patricia says, I need two espressos and three
Speaker 1: coffees from downstairs, and Dietrich is ready for his tea.
Speaker 1: I would say that even though Dietrich comes in at
Speaker 1: the end those first two lines where I thought I
Speaker 1: was going to pass and I was looking forward to
Speaker 1: being like, this is a fun one. But because I
Speaker 1: didn't remember, I thought that Evie may have written back
Speaker 1: to Valerie and that would have been like where it
Speaker 1: wasn't a vocal exchange, that that was like that we've
Speaker 1: been cool, but she doesn't know. She doesn't where she
Speaker 1: going to get parchment to wipe her ass with, you
Speaker 1: know there. So there's another scene right after that where
Speaker 1: two women talk again. Evie talks to the costume woman
Speaker 1: and she like brings in all those boxes that have
Speaker 1: the masks and costume and he's like, what's all that?
Speaker 1: And he was like, not sure. They've just arrived mock
Speaker 1: for stage three and costume and he's like, must be pro.
Speaker 1: So again she brings up a man and then she's like,
Speaker 1: I wish someone had the balls to tell him the
Speaker 1: station and just playground. And then she opens a box.
Speaker 1: She's like, well so this then very British. Real quick question,
Speaker 1: is Natalie Portman's accent bad or good? I think not
Speaker 1: very good? Not good? Right? I don't know. There's I
Speaker 1: sort of kept forgetting because there were points in the
Speaker 1: movie I'm like, oh, yeah, everyone in this movie is British,
Speaker 1: including Natalie Portman. I sort of forgot well VA's voice
Speaker 1: to kind of there are certain points where I'm like,
Speaker 1: don't just have a thicker accent, which is weird because
Speaker 1: he is British and it still sounds weird because it's
Speaker 1: all over the place. Who's who? What's the name of
Speaker 1: the actor who plays be in this movie? He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's also in the Matrix Agent Smith. He's a Walkoski fave.
Speaker 1: Uh So, whether or not the movie passes the Bechdel test,
Speaker 1: I guess for like a second, whenever Patricia comes in
Speaker 1: and she's like, you are still working for me, aren't you?
Speaker 1: And she says, sorry, I want to give it to
Speaker 1: the I like, technically, I think it's a no, but
Speaker 1: I want but just for the sake of I don't
Speaker 1: think that this movie is like bad for womankind. I
Speaker 1: want to give it a pass. I don't know. This
Speaker 1: isn't this isn't precise. Yeah, let's just say it does
Speaker 1: for a split second, which I think is accurate. Does
Speaker 1: the Bechtel tests have a time some I think some
Speaker 1: variations of it say like it has to happen for
Speaker 1: this amount of time. I don't, but don't We just
Speaker 1: say technically it's too lines of dialogue between two female
Speaker 1: characters with names, which again is a very low bar, right,
Speaker 1: And I think under that rule it passes. And it's
Speaker 1: the third line of dialogue where they start talking about
Speaker 1: a guy. Right, It's still not great, but I'm going
Speaker 1: to give the pass. I want to give it a pass. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think it's okay. I think it it
Speaker 1: Legit passes under our rules. So you just get five
Speaker 1: good going. So let's write the movie on our nipple scale,
Speaker 1: where we write the movie on its portrayal of women
Speaker 1: on a scale of zero to five nipples. We've got
Speaker 1: some burnt nipples in the name this time five crispy
Speaker 1: nipples are very scorched. Um. I'm going to give it.
Speaker 1: This is real tough for me because I still don't
Speaker 1: really know how I feel about how he treats her
Speaker 1: by imprisoning her and gaslighting her and torturing her as
Speaker 1: a means to end. I mean, free room and board
Speaker 1: would be nice. True, No, rent a year. I didn't
Speaker 1: think I was cooking for her to her did her
Speaker 1: roommate first of all, if she has a roommate, did
Speaker 1: they just get a sub letter? Like? I don't think
Speaker 1: she's seemed like she lived in a studio. I feel
Speaker 1: like shed Okay, that's what it felt like. Oh God,
Speaker 1: I is it like? Is it a three? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I have no idea how to write this movie. I
Speaker 1: was going to say, like four. If I don't know,
Speaker 1: I mean ultimately an arbitrary system, right, No, this is important.
Speaker 1: I'll jump thing. I'll say three and a half. Tricky
Speaker 1: movie where we see a lot of women, we don't
Speaker 1: hear a lot of women. But that's also the exact
Speaker 1: nature of the government being portrayed in regards to women.
Speaker 1: It's tricky. I think that in Evy we have like
Speaker 1: a really awesome challenging the aughtful. I mean, the few
Speaker 1: women that are in are all have depth right, right,
Speaker 1: and they're all given I think, like a fair amount
Speaker 1: of thought by this story, and they're past and thoughts
Speaker 1: have action and implications on the story. And I mean
Speaker 1: I think we have three very strong female characters in
Speaker 1: this movie, um and too strong gate characters. True. Yeah,
Speaker 1: very white movie, extremely white, Like they're that last thing
Speaker 1: where everyone's taking off their masks and it's white people.
Speaker 1: It's just like especially happen until two thousand and five.
Speaker 1: I mean, but can the same apply when we were like, oh,
Speaker 1: women wouldn't be in positions of I feel like a
Speaker 1: country like this under this sort of regime would have
Speaker 1: tried to push out people of color are getting pushed out.
Speaker 1: So I mean, that's what I mean, and I think
Speaker 1: that's part of why. Like that was the thing when
Speaker 1: I watched movies and television as I was growing up
Speaker 1: and as a team, it was like I actively stopped
Speaker 1: watching things that were too white unless they made sense.
Speaker 1: And this is one of those movies where I was like,
Speaker 1: it makes sense and also the women were all very interesting.
Speaker 1: They were Yeah, I think I think that it's good
Speaker 1: and I agree with what you're saying of like some
Speaker 1: of the stuff, some of the dynamics between V and
Speaker 1: E V are not easy to watch and are subjective
Speaker 1: in challenging, and I think we'll affect different people in
Speaker 1: different ways. Yeah, because I mean, I can imagine, you know,
Speaker 1: if you've been in a really gasl idea abusive relationship
Speaker 1: and you're watching that, that would be like very triggering.
Speaker 1: I would imagine. Sure, But in the story, I feel
Speaker 1: like it does justify itself. I don't know. I'll say
Speaker 1: three and a half and I'll give my nippies. I'll
Speaker 1: give two scorched nippies back to v rest in Paradise, Baby,
Speaker 1: I'll give nipple to Natalie, and then I'll give my
Speaker 1: lass half nippy to Valerie. She was cool, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with three. And I'm surprised by this
Speaker 1: because I still love this movie and I and I
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, I loved it so time
Speaker 1: ago to the point where I was like I should
Speaker 1: get a tattoo about it, but not too late. It's
Speaker 1: a tattoo Parliament. But rewatching it through this sort of
Speaker 1: new lens, I was like, oh wow, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of weird stuff that happens to this female character, and
Speaker 1: it does feel like she doesn't have all that much agency,
Speaker 1: especially toward the beginning of the movie, and later on
Speaker 1: she does to the extent where she's the one who
Speaker 1: literally pulls the trigger on the train that ends up
Speaker 1: blowing up the house of the Parliament. Super satisfying to watch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that was the music and the explosion.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, but um, at the same time,
Speaker 1: we do have a very complex female character who goes
Speaker 1: on sort of this incredible arc that women are often
Speaker 1: aren't afforded in movies. So that was really cool to watch.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm gonna stick with three and my nipples
Speaker 1: belong to Dietrich Stephen fry To specifically in that scene
Speaker 1: in the movie. So many like takes with him going
Speaker 1: what like, he does not have a huge part in that.
Speaker 1: It's just really funny, It's right, Um, And then they
Speaker 1: I'll give the other one to Finch because I like
Speaker 1: his character arc as well. Yeah, Um, I don't know, Actually,
Speaker 1: I guess I'd have to give a nipple to each woman.
Speaker 1: Okay three yeah, so three yeah Natalie, Yeah in the
Speaker 1: corner corner. Yeah, I love that character named the corner. Cool.
Speaker 1: Well more so, thank you so much for having me
Speaker 1: said this was like, this was a tough one, in
Speaker 1: a in a good way. What what discourse we've had
Speaker 1: here today? I think I think it's an imbordt movie,
Speaker 1: especially now I encourage people to watch it. I think
Speaker 1: that not enough people have believed that their governments are
Speaker 1: corrupt as deeply as they are, and that they can
Speaker 1: get worse. I mean, it's it's happening to us right now. Um,
Speaker 1: they've always been corrupt, but this movie is kind of
Speaker 1: more relevant now than every totally. It's it's I mean
Speaker 1: for the United States. Yes, it's it's interesting to watch
Speaker 1: and and I also like that the United States gets
Speaker 1: a shout out in the beginning of the movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well yeah, we're like the US is having a civil
Speaker 1: the second Civil War. They call it the former United States,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, this, which was to me, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is right now. That was like
Speaker 1: that like newscast segment, because like when it came out,
Speaker 1: I would have I would have been like, oh, that's silly.
Speaker 1: That's not possible. And now I'm like, no, that's it's
Speaker 1: it's on its way. And it was still like w
Speaker 1: Bush era when this movie came, we were divided like
Speaker 1: like we are now. I mean that's why United we
Speaker 1: Stand was so popular because everybody was like, yeah, that
Speaker 1: is true, we should stand united. Now it's like no
Speaker 1: division is in right and the like slogan of the
Speaker 1: UK and the for Vendetta is strength through unity, unity
Speaker 1: through faith either a lot of buzzwords, no thought being encouraged.
Speaker 1: Alan Moore is somewhere right now, just like like rubbing
Speaker 1: his hands together like I told you and you got us,
Speaker 1: You got us good, You're right me and is not royalties. Yeah,
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