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Speaker 1: On the Beck dol Cast, the questions asked if movies

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Speaker 1: start changing it with the beck Del Cast. Hello, Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the beck Del Cast. My name is Jamie, my

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Speaker 1: name is Katelin, says our podcast about the portrayal of

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Speaker 1: women in movies. That's right, and how it's usually not good.

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Speaker 1: those are the outliers. I'm negative. Nancy over here, still fun, dynamic? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: good cop, bad cop. Yeah, I'm feeling I'm feeling good today.

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Speaker 1: It's very hot, but it's okay. And you just came

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Speaker 1: from Universal Studios. I did. I have a friend in

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Speaker 1: good day. Great, awesome. I sat in my bed for

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Speaker 1: several hours. Amazing. Also a good day. So our podcast

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Speaker 1: is inspired by the Bechdel Test. It's a test that

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Speaker 1: Alison Bechdel. Been around for a long time. We just

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Speaker 1: with that, let's introduce our guests. You've seen her on

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Speaker 1: at midnight. She's gonna win at midnight world times. She's

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Speaker 1: a hilarious comedian. Marcella Arguayo, Oh my god, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much. Told the applause, Thank you everybody, Thank you

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Speaker 1: talking about v for Vendetta my favorite movie, okay, of

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Speaker 1: all time? I think, so well cool. When did you

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Speaker 1: first see it? Bad? I can't answer. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know when I first saw it. I just

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Speaker 1: remember loving it and calling it more, and then watching

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Speaker 1: it again and loving it more. And this is coming

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Speaker 1: from a person who hates movies. I hate movies, and

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what did it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know what. Why do I

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Speaker 1: When I loved it? Um, it used to be I

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Speaker 1: would watch it every fifth of November because I was like,

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Speaker 1: then my dad's funeral was on the fifth of November,

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Speaker 1: that exact reason. And it's weird because I don't even

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Speaker 1: know how I landed on it, because, like I said,

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Speaker 1: I don't like a lot of movies, like watching a

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Speaker 1: ready a lecture? Yeah? Exactly. There's gonna be some philosophical

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Speaker 1: Domino visual. One of my favorite parts of the movie, like,

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Speaker 1: we do this. I love this movie. The Dominoes though.

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Speaker 1: The Dominoes really I like rerouted again just to be like,

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Speaker 1: his Wikipedia. He is h he's a wanderer. You could

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Speaker 1: So he's like, I'm not going to watch me for

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Speaker 1: like people still watch it, Yeah, yeah, yeah, people are

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Speaker 1: seen it maybe three times total. Now I watched it yesterday. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: do the recap, pre cap, pree cap so V for

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Speaker 1: Vendetta is set in the UK in sort of like

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Speaker 1: a police state, um neo fascist regime. We meet Evie Hammond,

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Speaker 1: title was, but like the guy's TV shower just like

424
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:41,359
Speaker 1: what like again, just fun futuristic production design. That's like

425
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,840
Speaker 1: who is this for it? Like I have forty five

426
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 1: TVs that show the same channel in my shower, right, Yeah,

427
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 1: that was that was like such a and he would

428
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,240
Speaker 1: just turn around and be four more TVs. It was great.

429
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 1: Oh that scene was a little crazy to me because

430
00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,159
Speaker 1: so EV's job is you can sort of assume like

431
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 1: a p A because someone asks her to get like coffee,

432
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,200
Speaker 1: but then she also somehow has the clearance to access

433
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:10,439
Speaker 1: that dude's like private office room because V uses her.

434
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,919
Speaker 1: I d to like scanself into that, and it's like

435
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:17,400
Speaker 1: she would not have that clearance. Yeah, but it's fine,

436
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 1: We'll ignore that. I was also going to say, and

437
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:23,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if you ladies feel this, but it's

438
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 1: it's definitely different to watching the Trump era. Watching this

439
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,400
Speaker 1: is actually a crazy movie to watch right now, especially

440
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 1: because I feel that this sort of like authoritarian government

441
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,160
Speaker 1: already sort of is happening or could get much worse

442
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,119
Speaker 1: in this movie any day. And that was the thing

443
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,119
Speaker 1: I think when I first watched it when I was younger,

444
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 1: I was like, this is possible. I remember thinking that

445
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 1: this is something that could happen if people don't speak up,

446
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,400
Speaker 1: if they don't because when I was I guess that's

447
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 1: the other thing is when I was younger, when I

448
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 1: was in my early twenties, used to be so much

449
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 1: more politically active. I would march with my with my friends.

450
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 1: My my friend she used to organize marches and protests

451
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 1: and now she's a civil rights lawyer and I used

452
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,400
Speaker 1: to march with her and we would do all this ship.

453
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,439
Speaker 1: And I remember like watching this movie and being like,

454
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 1: this is what could happen if we don't do anything.

455
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 1: And then now we're like in it. So it's interesting

456
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 1: to watch because people are now becoming informed, I think

457
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 1: through Trump. So I guess it's it's like, guys, we

458
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 1: got to avoid this ship right here. This is the

459
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 1: ship we're trying to avoid, you know. It's it didn't

460
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 1: feel as you know, alternative future as it as it

461
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 1: used to. Yeah, like you know five when it came out,

462
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 1: like you know, it feels like a possibility, but there

463
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 1: weren't quite as many direct parallels that, you know. Yeah,

464
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 1: it is a very bizarre movie to watch, even just

465
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 1: like with the way that the government treats it's people

466
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,119
Speaker 1: where that felt I remember, I remember like when I

467
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 1: first saw it felt way more cartoony then it does

468
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 1: now and just yeah, just waiting for that curfew to

469
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,919
Speaker 1: roll in. I mean, for me, it didn't feel cartoony

470
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 1: in the past because my parents came from a third

471
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 1: world government, Like I've been informed about this ship. So

472
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 1: for me, it was always like this could happen. So

473
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: for me, it was always this could happen, This could happen.

474
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: Now watching it was like, oh, this is happening, you know,

475
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 1: and like like going back to fake news, like that's

476
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 1: what's happening. It's so weird to watch in a movie

477
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 1: in a theatrical sense because you're like, this is how

478
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,640
Speaker 1: these conversations are happening within our own government right now.

479
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,400
Speaker 1: Not that it wasn't the same in the past. I'm

480
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 1: sure the government and the news were always working a

481
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 1: little bit side by side, but now it's like their

482
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 1: enemies because they're not all working together with the government,

483
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:36,959
Speaker 1: and so it's like it's being exposed. It's so weird, man. Yeah,

484
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like Trump has like taken down

485
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 1: that fourth wall, you know, yeah, and trying to build

486
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 1: up another one between here in Mexico. But thanks, guys,

487
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 1: I'm here for the jokes anyway. So the next thing

488
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,479
Speaker 1: that happens, he comes to the TV network, he plays

489
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 1: his message to all the people on the little tinny

490
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: c d oh yeah yeah, and then she helps and

491
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: saves him by macing the cop which Jame mentioned earlier.

492
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 1: He takes her and basically forces her to live with

493
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 1: him for a year, or that's the expectation at that point,

494
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,880
Speaker 1: which we understand why he does that, otherwise she would

495
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: be grave danger or killed. But it's also like the

496
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: thing where it's like you are my prisoners sort of.

497
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 1: It's it's again, it's not to keep pulling it back

498
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: to family and the opera, but I mean it's like

499
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 1: a more justified, high stakes version of that story where

500
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 1: it's like it is for her safety, but there's but

501
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 1: he also gives it the option. It's true, like, yeah,

502
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:46,120
Speaker 1: you can leave right she does and she does. Um,

503
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 1: I don't know their their relationship is something that It's

504
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: just like there were some points where I was like, Okay,

505
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: I get it, and then other points where I was like,

506
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 1: this does not bode well. I don't know. Well, well,

507
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, before we get into this, I

508
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 1: was going to bring up the plan the year in

509
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: advance protests, whatever you wanna call it. I just found

510
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 1: it funny because when um Rose McGowan did the women

511
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 1: boycott Twitter thing, I was like, that's why it didn't work,

512
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,919
Speaker 1: because a bitch don't plan the ship out like a

513
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 1: good protest or a good boycott. You need to let

514
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 1: everybody know. You need to like set a date, you

515
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: need all that it's happening. There needs to be some

516
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 1: build up so that there are some consequences that are severe.

517
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 1: This wasn't that like a next day. I found out

518
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: in the middle of what I was supposed to. That's

519
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,719
Speaker 1: why I was so stupid. I mean it was I

520
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 1: was like, listen, bit, if you would have planned this

521
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 1: like next week, I'm getting up Twitter four a week,

522
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: then we could have all had that discussion. Women of

523
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: color could have been like, what the funk are you

524
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 1: talking about? And you know, we could have had those

525
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,400
Speaker 1: arguments with each other or there's discussions with each other.

526
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: Um So I love that he's like in a year,

527
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 1: motherfucker's I'm a ride or die for this ship? Are you?

528
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: I'm bunkering down until it happens. But I love I

529
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 1: love that, and I love that. You know, the timeline

530
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 1: of the movie, I just everybody's you know, it's the Fall,

531
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 1: It's the and it builds well, it builds very well.

532
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,120
Speaker 1: So the next thing that happens is that she essentially

533
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 1: tricks him into thinking that she wants to help, and

534
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 1: whether or not she actually wants to help maybe the case,

535
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: but she sort of uses it as a way to

536
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: try to escape, which is what happens where she's like,

537
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 1: I want to help. If there's anything I can do.

538
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: He's like, actually, you can dress up as a sex

539
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 1: worker and trick this and this is one of those

540
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: moms whereas like, ah, there, surely there was another way

541
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 1: to do that, but she yeah. So she then goes

542
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: to this bishop who's one of the people that V

543
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: is targeting to kill, and then she's all like, help

544
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: me I need protection. I'm evie him, and I'm a

545
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 1: prisoner of this terrorist. The bishop doesn't believe her. He

546
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: just proceeds with trying to rape her, and then he

547
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 1: comes in and kills him. I actually liked that scene

548
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: because I love that men are so perverted and fucked

549
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 1: up that women can use their sexuality against them, because

550
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: men are weak, and I wish them more women knew

551
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: how to manipulate that and into our favor, you know,

552
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: which is why I like them working side by side

553
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: to kind of take advantage of this man's weakness of

554
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 1: you know, wanting to fuck kids, and then they use

555
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: it against him and then he kills him, which is great. Yeah,

556
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: because I think sex workers should be looked at as

557
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 1: heroes in our society because they are doing the lord's work,

558
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 1: because men are pieces of ship. Um not all man

559
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: hashtag whatever funk off, but so many men are. Aristottle

560
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: is really nice. Everyone else he can say, he can

561
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: say everyone else, everyone. I just I just think that

562
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: sex workers are are looked down upon, and I love

563
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: that they kind of flipped it on its head of like, no,

564
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: they're going to use this against him, and it is

565
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: his inevitable downfall, and it's because men are weak. I

566
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: was feeling hard for for e V in that scene

567
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: because like, for a large trunk of the movie, and

568
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,479
Speaker 1: and towards the end she's able to you know, she

569
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: has agency more in a way where she has more options,

570
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: but for for a lot of the movie, it's very

571
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: survival based decisions that she has to make of like

572
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,959
Speaker 1: this is what I have to do to stay on

573
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: this person's good side so that I can remain safe,

574
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: or this is what I have to do so I

575
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: can remain alive or whatever. So like there's so much

576
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: going on in that scene of like she has I

577
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: don't know if I do. We we don't see that

578
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: discussion of like the plan of right, so we don't

579
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: know whose idea it is or like or anything like that.

580
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: Maybe that's in the book. I don't remember, but like

581
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: we see her do that, and it's like, Okay, this

582
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: was someone's idea. We don't know whose idea was. It

583
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: could have been EV's idea. But then you know, once

584
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: she's in that interaction with the bishop, she's placed a

585
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: fair amount of trust in his authority to help her

586
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: out and get her free of someone she's not yet

587
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: quite sure about, and then that backfires and he's a

588
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: fucking lecherous, evil creed and then he's killed rightfully. So

589
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: but in now she suddenly faced with this new dynamic

590
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: of like, now V knows that she doesn't really trust him,

591
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: and she just is like I'm sorry and like leaves

592
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: and it's like, I just that whole scene was so

593
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: stressful to watch, but it's just like she's just making

594
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: all these survival based decisions of like, Okay, that happened,

595
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: Now what do I do to remain safe? Yeah, but

596
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: that scene is good because it's a reminder to people

597
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: that they shouldn't trust people that are in power just

598
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: because they're in power. That's why I like that scene,

599
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: because I like that she puts faith in a bishop

600
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: because I think we all would think that would be

601
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: the thing to do with that moment, to be able

602
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: to trust, right. And then once you realize that's a mistake,

603
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: she runs because she was like, well, not who do

604
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: I trust? You know? And I do to your point,

605
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: I do like that She's always making these like last

606
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: minute decisions, but they keep kind of exposing who the

607
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: real weak people are in our society. Well, which is

608
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:56,959
Speaker 1: why I like kind of hits for me that she

609
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 1: does end up trusting V by the I mean, and

610
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: there are other points that will get to but it

611
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: is sort of time and time again where she we

612
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: see her testing everything she's been taught and that is

613
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: unraveling and really the only consistent anything is the wanting

614
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: to keep her safe. Well, he's trying to make her strong.

615
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what she says, and that when she's

616
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: first captured, because like, I wish I was stronger. I

617
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: wish I wasn't so weak. And you see his you know,

618
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: there's a shot of him where he kind of like

619
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: cox his head like, oh you do do you you

620
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: want to be stronger? I can make you stronger. A

621
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: lot of head cock acting had to do. Like it's

622
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: so funny about that movie is there's like these long

623
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: monologues and it's just a mask, and you're like, am

624
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: I really just watching a mask right now? Like no

625
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: emotion there, just it's all on the boy's But I

626
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: do I like that he just he sees it and

627
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: he almost like accepts the challenge of like, bitch, I

628
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: will make you the strongest, ye, I will make you

629
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: as strong as I am. And we are, Because at

630
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: first you're like, Okay, is she just saying that to

631
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: on his good side so that he'll trust him enough

632
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: for her to be able to leverage that into running away.

633
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: But then you also understand why she could very well

634
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: want that, because her sort of like main driving desire

635
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: in this movie ends up being like, I do want

636
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: to be stronger. I do want to be strong enough

637
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: to rise up and tear down this regime basically well,

638
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: and like learning about her background later exactly her parents

639
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: did and stuff. Yeah, because her parents were political activists

640
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: and her brother was killed in the St. Mary's virus outbreak,

641
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: which is one of the things that like the government

642
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: unleashed on its unpopulation to control its people, comparably, reasons

643
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: for her to actually want that are established. So I mean,

644
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: I think that was her journey in this movie is

645
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: a lesson impulsiveness, because even after she saves him and

646
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: spray paints dominic, the next morning, she's like, I don't

647
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: know why I did that. I can't believe I did that.

648
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: I don't know why I did that. Like she's questioning

649
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: the thing that she impulsively did. But it was the

650
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: right thing to do, you know, for her to save him,

651
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: but she's listly doubting herself and questioning herself because she

652
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: doesn't she's not thinking things through all the way because

653
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: then he says, like, is that what you think? And

654
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: that's the whole journey for her throughout the whole movie

655
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: until you know it gets to work it, which is

656
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: a compelling journey that we don't often see women go

657
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: through in movies. So that's cool because that's the thing is,

658
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: she's not making decisions based on her feelings for him.

659
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: She's making decisions based on what she thinks she wants

660
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: or doesn't want, or what's right or what's wrong for her.

661
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: That's what she's doing, right, And in a lot of ways,

662
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: I feel like she's for so long she is making

663
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: a lot of instinctive survival based us. And then by

664
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: the end she has more agency to the point where

665
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: like v literally puts the agency in her hands and like,

666
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: you decide whether this happens because you know the student

667
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: is ready right, right? And I like that because by

668
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: the end she genuinely does have a choice, and we

669
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: see from most of the movie her not really having

670
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: much of a choice, but she does have a choice.

671
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: That's the things. She always had a choice, It's just

672
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: that she didn't always think things through. That's why I

673
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: like her story, because she constantly had to make a decision,

674
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: and sometimes it was on a whim, right right, and

675
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: something that again, just like watching it in this particular

676
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: era right now is like there's a lot of fear

677
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: based decision making too, where I don't think I mean,

678
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: I don't remember specifically, but I don't think when I

679
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: first saw this movie I could as closely identify with like,

680
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:28,959
Speaker 1: you know, it's like, why would she have this job

681
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: at the not BBC working for the people who are

682
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: oppressing her and everyone she knows. But then, you know,

683
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: when you have more of a real life applicable way,

684
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, because she's afraid, Like look at all

685
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: these people. She's lost for these exact reasons, and it

686
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: does take a lot of inner strength to be able to,

687
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: you know, make a a antarchic decision. Right. So um, okay,

688
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: So now we're leading up to the part where she

689
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: goes to Gordon Dietrich's house and Dietrich is a friend

690
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: of hers and who hosts like weird Pratfall British like

691
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: Benny Hill's style satire show. What a weird fun scene

692
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 1: in the middle of that movie to watch that goofy

693
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: goofy broadcast that gets him murdered. Yeah. Wild. Well, then

694
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: that leads to what I find to be the most

695
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: unsettling part of the movie is that she so she

696
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: goes to Gordon Dietrich's house. She's under his care and

697
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 1: protection for a while. Step. Yes, he makes that episode crazy. Yeah,

698
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: it was cool that he was like defined, He's like, yeah,

699
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: we we threwout the censor proof script shot this one.

700
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: It gets him killed, He gets him black bagged by Creedy,

701
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: and then yeah, they find a Koran in his house

702
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: and that gets executed. And we also know he is

703
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: one of I believe to queer characters whose stories we

704
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: hear reference in this That's the other thing. This is

705
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: one of the first movies that we've discussed on this

706
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 1: podcast where there's a prominent character in the movie who

707
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,959
Speaker 1: is queer. We do kind of well yeah, yeah, yeah,

708
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: the Valerie who we who we meet a little later.

709
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, So, once Dietrich gets captured by Creedy, she

710
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: has to flee again, and then she gets captured almost immediately,

711
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 1: and we assume that it's also by Creedy's people. She's

712
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: in prison, she's locked in the cell. All of her

713
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: hair gets shaven off. This woman, Yep, you get the

714
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: more empowered you get in movies usually if you're it's

715
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,720
Speaker 1: the rule. Yes. Anyway, So she gets captured, she's in prison,

716
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: she's tortured. We think it's from Creedy and all of

717
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: those guys. And in this process of her being imprisoned,

718
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: she loses her fear. She's like, you know what, I'm

719
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: not going to be an informant. I'm not going to

720
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: tell you where V is. You can funk off and

721
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: shoot me. And she learns story. Who we learned is

722
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: a character that was in the cell next V all

723
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: those years ago when he was imprisoned and being used

724
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: for these like biological experiments. That's also another moment I

725
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,760
Speaker 1: bugged me because she was like, I'm writing this note

726
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 1: on toilet paper, and I'm like, that's a regular paper,

727
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: right toilet paper in that world, Like you can write

728
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: on his parchment. I know, it's like you're wiping her

729
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: ass with really nice parching. That was one of those

730
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: uh moments where she can use her idea together anywhere.

731
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, that's that's a stretch. But then

732
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: I sort of like then I was like, now, like Evie,

733
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: you're dumb because that's just a flaw and V's plan

734
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: of he had parchment and he's like you did you

735
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,879
Speaker 1: really think that the parchment is toilet paper? And where

736
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: did she get a pen? Not discussed nice pen, great handwriting?

737
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: What was a pencil? Right? Yeah? Maybe either way that

738
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: was that was funny. Yeah, that was funny. I'm glad

739
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: we all agree on that. So once she is devoid

740
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 1: of fear, she gets let free and then she comes

741
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: into the room into literally in figuratively she's set free. Yes,

742
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: And then yeah, that scene where views like it was

743
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: me and it was like, um, real high level gas lighting.

744
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 1: Way to commit to gasoline. Yeah. Again, it's hard because

745
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: it's like you can look at that one level of

746
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: like yeah, that's high level psychological abuse. On the other end,

747
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: if we're looking at like the student teacher relationship in

748
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 1: the direst of times, I don't know. I mean, I

749
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: am sort of left floating in the wind on that

750
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,399
Speaker 1: one because it worked, it didn't work, it worked, but

751
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: did the surely there was a better way means, But

752
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: I mean there's also there's something to be said about

753
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: I mean, the government killed her whole family, and that

754
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: is fucked up. And she didn't take it as the

755
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: government doing it to her. She took it as just like, well,

756
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: I guess I got to be scared, just like everybody else.

757
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 1: So she didn't become stronger after that happened, even though

758
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 1: I think she should have. And on the flip, Fee

759
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: is like, no, I'm going to do this to you

760
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 1: to make you stronger, because you are strong. And that's

761
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, you guys can throw anything

762
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: you want at man to make it work. But I mean,

763
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: that's the thing, is that going back to that the

764
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 1: quote of like people shouldn't be scared of the governments,

765
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: or government should be scared of our people, because that's

766
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 1: that it's a flip on that, you know, it's it's

767
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,919
Speaker 1: him kind of exposing like you should have changed after

768
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: your parents were murdered and your brother was murdered. But

769
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: she got more scared and it shouldn't be because she

770
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 1: should know, like, you're gonna die one day, so you

771
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 1: should be strong no matter what. And so he just

772
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: kind of tortured her to be like basically, if you're government,

773
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: because that's the illusion, right, the government is doing this

774
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: to her and she finally can stand up to them

775
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: as before she couldn't, and then of course to find

776
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: out it's him, it's a total line funk for everybody, right,

777
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: And we do see her she has an appropriate because

778
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: she was just like oh good one like right well,

779
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 1: And this got me back to thinking about the other

780
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: kind of popular examples of the captor re educating the

781
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: captive for whatever reason. And this is again like a

782
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: movie where in most situations we see a captor holding

783
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: someone hostage and changing their way of thinking, but usually

784
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: pretty much for selfish reasons, pretty much for like I

785
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 1: want you to love me, so I'm going to keep

786
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: you in a room until you do. Where this there,

787
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: it's far more complicated, like and personally, I think that

788
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: this movie and story would work for me if there

789
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 1: wasn't a love story. There is, and that's fine too,

790
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: but like if this ended up being like the sort

791
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: of like and these two characters just have like an inseparable,

792
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: very intense bond that works for me too. But either way,

793
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: he's not holding her to make her fall in love

794
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: with him, and I think that that's the most common

795
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: male cap. You're holding a woman and so I love

796
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 1: Beauty and the Beast phantom. Yeah, so it's a similar situation,

797
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 1: but the end goal is very different where he's trying

798
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 1: to I guess more or less cure her of her

799
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: own fear. And so in that way, even though it

800
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: looks similar, the end goal is not really selfish. And

801
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: then and so it well, I mean it is his

802
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: revolution that he's trying to start, so it is like

803
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: a smidge selfish, but also she has every reason to

804
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 1: want to be a part of this revolution. She's a

805
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: good pick based on her. Yeah, it's it's tricky. It's tricky,

806
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: and I mean when they I mean you see the

807
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: world that they live in, like, of course you'd want

808
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: to tear that down and not live in that regime.

809
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: So the sticks are high, and it does stand a

810
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: reason why all these characters would want to dismantle this

811
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:02,399
Speaker 1: horrible government. So and not to just say like, hey,

812
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,439
Speaker 1: here's the thing that this movie could have done wrong

813
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,240
Speaker 1: but didn't, But there's like a lot of I feel

814
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 1: like easy bad writing things that could have been in

815
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: here in terms of like maybe there's another guy that's

816
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: very common in like these capture situations where there's a

817
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: guy on the other side who's like fighting to try

818
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: and find her and save her, and she doesn't have that,

819
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: like she has whoever mumbly grumbly British police guy that

820
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: she ends up with is. But he's not trying to

821
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 1: help her, right Like, there isn't anyone trying to save

822
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: her really like and you can even argue V's not

823
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: really trying to save her as much as get her

824
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: to where he thinks she needs to be, well, where

825
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 1: she wants to be. She says it right, right, but

826
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: but it's tricky, and I mean he is sneaky about

827
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: of course have to, right, you kind of have to.

828
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: It's tricky. You can't just tell someone be stronger, stronger,

829
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: fight the government. It's you know, to imprison them for

830
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: a few weeks first, Like but do you have to?

831
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 1: That's the question A struggle you can like where it

832
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: was there another way maybe not, but like he just

833
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: knew through his experience it worked for him. That was

834
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: like that's all he has to go on. Yeah, it's

835
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: true because in some ways that you do see him

836
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: kind of sculpting her in his vision based on his

837
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: own past. And again it's like dire times. But I

838
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: mean he knows how like painful, and you know, like

839
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 1: he is actively making that choice to cause someone he

840
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: cares about pain, and that is something that I don't mean,

841
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's open to interpretation. Yeah, because he

842
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: says something like, um, you don't understand how hard that

843
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: was for me to do. But every time I saw

844
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: you resist, like I knew I had to keep going

845
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: like she was like on the brink, and then he

846
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: just had to push it a little bit further. It

847
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 1: is and it is very gaslighting because he I mean,

848
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: that's the most elaborate gaslighting we've ever seen. He knows

849
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: the high kind would have. Who is funding him because

850
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: he's playing all these different characters. He's got all these

851
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: different costumes, he's changing his voice around. Who's donating to

852
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: his Patreon apparently has all those he has all those masks.

853
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: He has the resources to something. He said something like

854
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: he clears the tracks and lays more of it. He

855
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: lays subway tracks ten years. Yeah, like where where is

856
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: he getting his wealth? That's another weird trope with this

857
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: setup though, of like the captor somehow has unlimited resources.

858
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: They always live in a castle. They live something some

859
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 1: some subterranean palace, and they're like, I have a lot

860
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: of money, don't ask. It's gonna look nice. The letting

861
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 1: is going to be low. It's gonna be nice. I

862
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: have a TV, but I also have candles. V's room

863
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 1: is kind of a library. She's surrounded by all those

864
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: books and Belle and beauty. The Beast loved the library.

865
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: There's a lot of symmetry here. There's a lot. I

866
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,760
Speaker 1: was gonna say to going back to um, you mentioned

867
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,320
Speaker 1: that you didn't like that there was like a romance

868
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: storyline and you could have done without it. So yeah, yeah,

869
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: h My civil rights lawyer friend when I was like, oh, look,

870
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: because I think I was had the book or I

871
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: had the mask or something in my room, and she

872
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: saw it and she's like, oh, do you like the movie?

873
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I love that movie. I was like,

874
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: you don't like as a political activist, like you don't

875
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: like this movie. She was like, it's a good movie.

876
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: She was like, except for him torturing her, like for love,

877
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 1: I have too much experience with that within civil rights organizers.

878
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 1: She was like, the men are like that, where like

879
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: they torture you and torture you, and they're really like

880
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: of course the men in in you know, activism are

881
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: sucked up too, But she was like, there's too many

882
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: parallels in my real life. Was like, you think that

883
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 1: these men are like doing the right thing, but you

884
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 1: know when it comes to the women, they're not. So

885
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: when she told me, and she told me this like

886
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,760
Speaker 1: a few weeks ago, so I was like, I watched

887
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 1: it differently a little bit with that in mind, of like, damn,

888
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: I didn't think about it as torturing for her love, right,

889
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,439
Speaker 1: you know. And it's yeah, I don't know. I mean,

890
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: that's super interesting to hear, I mean, and unfortunate that

891
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: those dynamics exist even in like the most noble of professions.

892
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 1: And of course, of course, but they're people are still people.

893
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: People are still people. People will still be sucking up

894
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 1: no matter what they're living is. But yeah, I don't know,

895
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: Like I think that adding in the love story, like

896
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: it isn't out of nowhere. It makes sense that you know,

897
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: like he is at the end of even though he's

898
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: representing this idea, he is a person. And that's I

899
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: feel like what the opening and closing lines of this

900
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 1: movie speak to where she's like, it's basically the man

901
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 1: behind it, like the individual affected. You can't kiss an

902
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: idea idea, but you can kiss a man and a

903
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: man it's who I miss, right, which which I was.

904
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: I was like rolling my eyes a little bit. I

905
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: don't know. I have kissed an idea before. I've had

906
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 1: I've had people kiss me because I'm an idea to them.

907
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: So that's what that's what's been frustrating. Yeah, oh yeah.

908
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: And then and then when that wears off and you're like,

909
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: I'm a person, They're just like, oh, actually cannot cannot

910
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 1: exactly if you're a person. I have to like it's like, great,

911
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: see you exactly. Oh god, I'm gonna have a sesut. Anyways,

912
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: I did want to mention the Shawshank redemption moment in

913
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 1: this movie where she goes out into the rain and

914
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: she puts her hands up and she's like, also, I'm free,

915
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: super silly two thousand five c G. I rain shot

916
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: like a blue just like it was super super silly.

917
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: It was a great sound effect. It's a little fully

918
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: you see, you're like the vantage point of the rain

919
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: falling on sure, great love it. And then he's starting

920
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:40,240
Speaker 1: there with his arms folded like fucky, it's raining, it's cool.

921
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: The love story, it just you know, like you can

922
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: you can draw the parallel to their very obvious age difference,

923
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 1: just based on their discussions of he's clearly significantly older

924
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 1: than her and also like, I don't know, those were

925
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 1: just like the parts of the movie that interested me

926
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 1: the least, where that scene where it's like, I know,

927
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,439
Speaker 1: we have to and an audience have to be kept

928
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: in like, oh, but he's also an individual. So that

929
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: scene where you know, you see the mask be thrown

930
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: off and he's like, oh, he punches the mirror, right,

931
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: very fan of the opera punching a mirror peak fit

932
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: about I don't know. I think I would have enjoyed

933
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: watching her fun his burned dick. That wasn't what was going, Like,

934
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: I rod dog and that ship? Are you crazy? I

935
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: was wondering about some freak nasty ship. That's what I

936
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: was waiting for the whole time. There's a few different

937
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,919
Speaker 1: scenes where have like he's rope like like a rope

938
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: where like in theory, if he had a direction, you'd

939
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: probably be able to tell can we see that shot?

940
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: We can't. We can't. We really wanted to see that

941
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: burned meat that we should watch the Also, this is

942
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 1: written by the god who the Matrix and the last

943
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: the last fight scene was another one where I was

944
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: like Jesus Christ, where there's a few Matrix shots like

945
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: a fring and you're just like, okay, called down, we

946
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: get it. We saw the movie in two thou five.

947
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: That was the coolest thing I'd ever seen that. But

948
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 1: you saw The Matrix and ninety nine it's a little different.

949
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 1: But yeah, I remember I was in the theater. I

950
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 1: think I sawed this with JT. And we just looked

951
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 1: at each other and we're like, this is the best

952
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: movie I've ever seen. I did a guy once. He goes,

953
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: what's your favorite movie? I said, for Vendetta, and I sup,

954
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 1: what's your first movie? He said The Matrix and I

955
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I've never seen it. And he goes, well,

956
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: just so you know, V for Vendetta is the woman

957
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: version of the Matrix. And that's what I mean by that.

958
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: He's a asshole, that's what he meant by that. Yeah,

959
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 1: that's like and then yeah, and then I just recently

960
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: watched The Matrix for the first time and I was like,

961
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: what that doesn't make this doesn't make sense. But I

962
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 1: just dated an asshole like I always do. But that

963
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: doesn't check out. It doesn't check out at all. It doesn't.

964
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: And I couldn't argue because I hadn't watched it. Yeah,

965
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, like took me

966
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: down a notch. And I was like, oh no, I'm

967
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: just another girl. And I was like, oh no, he's

968
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 1: just another dickad Yeah. Yeah, Well, if you're listening, funk

969
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: right off, you're dead wrong. Oh no, he's our biggest fan.

970
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: Oh um. Can we talk about some of the other

971
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: female characters, and by that I mean there are very few.

972
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: One of them is the Corner. Oh yeah, she's a

973
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: woman in Stem. She has a woman in Stem, and

974
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 1: she's the only one of the people that V goes

975
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 1: after who shows any sort of like compassion and regret

976
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 1: and sorrow for what she did all the other ones

977
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: and receives the same in return, which I thought was nice,

978
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: where she does not die the painful death that most

979
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 1: she has to die, and like, I get like, she

980
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:45,399
Speaker 1: has to die according to the plan, but he kind

981
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: of cuts her a break where he's like, Jesse, you know,

982
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: you're basically dead and she's like, oh, that didn't hurt

983
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 1: at all, thank you, thank you so much. I'm sorry.

984
00:50:56,080 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: I liked that. I thought that was like responsibly. And

985
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 1: then the other notable female character is Valerie. She's only

986
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 1: ever met in flashbacks, but she's the person who is

987
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 1: in the cell next to v whenever he was imprisoned

988
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: at lark Hill. Yeah, we learned of her story. She

989
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 1: is a lesbian. She came out to her parents, they

990
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: disowned her. She started a career as an actress, she

991
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 1: met like the love of her life, and then it

992
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: was around that time that the government started targeting LGBT

993
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 1: people Muslims, basically detaining them for just Trump right, and

994
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 1: even prior to that, being that high stake of a situation,

995
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: she was disowned by her own family and and still

996
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: was unapologetic about who she was, which is like so

997
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: cool and also heartbreaking to see the consequences of it. Yeah, totally,

998
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 1: But those are like the two main female characters. Besides,

999
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: and then I was like, oh, why why are there

1000
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: more women in this movie? And then I thought about

1001
00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 1: it and I was like, Okay, well, most of the

1002
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: bo in this movie are either government officials or law

1003
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:07,879
Speaker 1: enforcement because that's what the story calls for, and none

1004
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: of those people would probably be women because this is

1005
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: a society where they wouldn't hire women design. Yeah, there

1006
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: are certainly opportunities for more speaking female rolled at least,

1007
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: But then when we see those like long montages of

1008
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 1: like when v is on screen on TV or even

1009
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: when people are watching the Stephen Fries Goofy thing, we

1010
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: see I mean there there's women in homes, there's women

1011
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,399
Speaker 1: and bars are there. They are there's a little girl

1012
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:39,280
Speaker 1: with the glasses. So they are present in the society.

1013
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 1: They're just almost never in positions of power, which makes

1014
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 1: sense with this It's normally that would bother us, I

1015
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: think in a movie, but in this movie, the integral

1016
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: to the story, right, Yeah, there's no Avanka. Trump's the

1017
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 1: two female characters that we see in detail at least

1018
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 1: who are not Evy. I feel like almost offer the

1019
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: two paths that Evie could end up on, where it's

1020
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: like the woman who does end up getting pretty high

1021
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: up in government or in her field in medicine, but

1022
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:12,399
Speaker 1: with the past that's like she was like I thought

1023
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: about killing myself, she changed her name, she tried to

1024
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: flee the country, like she was guilty, guilty, but then

1025
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: also scared, like he was saying, like she succumbed to

1026
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 1: the fear and then just stopped. I mean, that was

1027
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: the reason she continued to work, because she was like,

1028
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 1: what else am I gonna do? They're gonna kill me

1029
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: or I'm gonna have to live in anonymity? Um, and

1030
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 1: why why would she do that? It's also like, of

1031
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:37,439
Speaker 1: course the women are compassionate most I would say, most

1032
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 1: women are not not all women hashtag you know what

1033
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,720
Speaker 1: I mean, Like, those women definitely exist when they're attempted

1034
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: with power, but I think more often than not, it's

1035
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:52,359
Speaker 1: just it's not as common as it is with men

1036
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: in power. Yeah, it was. It was cool to you know,

1037
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 1: first see that this woman who rose very high in

1038
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,399
Speaker 1: her field but dies with regrets because she didn't stand

1039
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 1: up for the right thing. And then Valerie who always

1040
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: stands up for the right thing and is punished and

1041
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: basically killed for it. Yeah, that's a great point. Yeah,

1042
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: it's a great point. I don't think about that. You're

1043
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: so smart. That's my next I know, But I mean,

1044
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:20,919
Speaker 1: and the moment of silence for a brilliant but they're

1045
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: that scene between v and I'm sorry. What was the

1046
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 1: doctor's corner? The corner she was a name um Delia surage.

1047
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,359
Speaker 1: That moment between them seemed, I mean, and for V,

1048
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: who's generally pretty violent towards people who sucked with him,

1049
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: was like a good character moment for him too, because

1050
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: you're just like, what was that line where she's just like,

1051
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 1: is it too late to stay sorry? And he's like, no,

1052
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,439
Speaker 1: he can do. She actually sings that song too late?

1053
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 1: Is it now to say sorry? That's what goes from

1054
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 1: my head were to a very different people, kit she

1055
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 1: just does a quick mash up V like cool, here's

1056
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: a flower goodbye. Yeah. I do like that. I do

1057
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,919
Speaker 1: like that she apologizes, and I do like that he's

1058
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: open to it. I mean, I think people should be, yeah,

1059
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: you know, if you want to, if you're trying to

1060
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: grow and contribute to the greater good of society. And

1061
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 1: I think he's like giving her a gift there too,

1062
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,760
Speaker 1: where it's like, you know, she's dying with regret, but

1063
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 1: it's probably when you're dying with all that regret, useful

1064
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 1: to be able to at least express that to someone

1065
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,879
Speaker 1: who you've wrong. And it's also sweet that he's using

1066
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 1: her flowers. He's like, I've been growing your flowers. I

1067
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 1: love your flowers. I think your flowers are great. I

1068
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 1: think that you were capable of being something better as

1069
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: a botanist. Also her diary that she deliberately gets out

1070
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 1: and leaves behind so that someone will find it, and

1071
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 1: luckily it falls in the hands of she wanted me

1072
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 1: to habit. But he leaves it because he doesn't care.

1073
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: He doesn't care about the story. Um. But then Finch

1074
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: gets ahold of it, and then he he's a party member.

1075
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 1: He's right under Sutler. But you can tell throughout the

1076
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: movie he's having he's questioning all these things about the government.

1077
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 1: He's having my favorite movie Doubt. He brings some doubt

1078
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: shout out to Doubt, and then it's honestly the worst

1079
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: podcast I've ever done. No, no, I'm sorry ahead. So um,

1080
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 1: he gets ahold of it, he learns all this information

1081
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 1: that I think informs his doubt, and then by the

1082
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 1: end he's totally on. I mean, he like holds a

1083
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 1: gun on TV. But then he's like, yeah, you're right,

1084
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 1: we should go up this building. So like, if I

1085
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: think it weren't for that, he wouldn't be so on

1086
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 1: the right side of the revolution. Yeah, I mean, I

1087
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: definitely like that. He read it and was like, oh, ship,

1088
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: this is what happened. These fucking fool This government is

1089
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 1: sucked up, like he's starting to see like he works

1090
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 1: for the police. But and I do like that because

1091
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:56,280
Speaker 1: it is possible for people to have the right perspective

1092
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: in these situations if you're informed and if you have

1093
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 1: even believe But yeah, it was I like that. I

1094
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: like that to change his mind because he was always teetering, right,

1095
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 1: you know, that's where the curiosity was coming from. It

1096
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. Why the funk would this, A, B

1097
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,800
Speaker 1: and C be leading to this? And and then he

1098
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 1: starts getting these answers and he's like, oh man, and

1099
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 1: that's why him and Eve end up together because she

1100
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: fucking fills him in. And he was like, oh, yeah,

1101
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: she sucks his dick, but dick, so like, what's the point, right,

1102
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 1: That's why I always ain't burnt, But he he ain't

1103
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 1: turned a little T shirt into it for Vendetti's shirt.

1104
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: Just a guy fox, it's a tongue hanging out like

1105
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 1: all right, he and he have the same outlook. On coincidence, though,

1106
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 1: where there is no such thing as coincidence, only the

1107
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: illusion of coincidence, which I love that actually going back

1108
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 1: to there are no coincidences, my dad's funeral being on

1109
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 1: November five, after the fact, it opened my eyes because

1110
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 1: it wasn't until my dad passed away that I actually

1111
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: believed that. It wasn't until he passed away that everything

1112
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 1: kind of led up to him passing away and my life,

1113
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: my life made more sense, not just the future, but

1114
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 1: also the past. So then when I rewatched the movie,

1115
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, fuck, it's true for me. And

1116
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 1: even though I didn't really believe that when I first

1117
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: watched the movie, it definitely changed. And then I was like, yeah,

1118
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: of course his funeral is on November five because there

1119
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: are no coincidences, And for me, it definitely rang true,

1120
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: like even more so now than it did in the past,

1121
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 1: I think, and I and that almost feels like a

1122
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: more like I don't know, like that seems like a

1123
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: more optimistic because to me, like saying that there is

1124
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 1: no coincidence just opens everything to there's no order, where

1125
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, we was like vas this anarchist figure,

1126
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 1: but he also doesn't think that there's no so there

1127
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 1: is some sort of greater something at work which is

1128
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: nice and and feels optimistic romantic. Yeah, yeah it is.

1129
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: That's a real romance. It's a little hot. I remember

1130
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 1: seeing the movie for the first time and seeing the kiss,

1131
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 1: which when she hit the first and I was like,

1132
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 1: what a weird choice for that to happen. And now

1133
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, I get it. I get it. Yeah, now

1134
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 1: I understand lot of you guys, I don't. I don't.

1135
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 1: I don't need it, but I get it. But I

1136
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 1: get it. I mean, listen, I've kissed a lot of

1137
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 1: dudes are dead inside, so I get like emotionally burned Victyeah,

1138
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 1: that's what it was like, I've done that. Yeah, I'm

1139
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 1: into emotional burn victims. Pretty chill. I think that it's

1140
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 1: it's weird because there is like a lot of gendered

1141
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 1: stuff in this movie and a lot to talk about,

1142
00:59:56,280 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 1: but it's almost overshadowed by the medical nature of this story.

1143
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 1: And so it was like, I don't know, it was

1144
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 1: this was like a really interesting, challenging thing to watch,

1145
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:09,959
Speaker 1: similar to how like when we talked about get Out,

1146
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 1: it was like not a movie that necessarily treats women well,

1147
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 1: but that's okay, because what is the real focus of

1148
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 1: the movie, right, Yeah, So yeah, I have a lot

1149
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 1: of complicated feelings about be for Vendetta because you know,

1150
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 1: you can sort of boil things down to like he

1151
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 1: imprisons her, he tortures her, he gaslights her, dada. But

1152
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 1: that's a little too simple or simple it is, right,

1153
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 1: So it is a very interesting movie to discuss so ourselves.

1154
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 1: Thank you for bringing it to us. It's my it's

1155
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 1: my pleasure. Let's discuss whether or not it passes the

1156
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 1: Bechtel test with the it does, does it? It was like,

1157
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 1: it's sort of there's one exchange where you're like, so,

1158
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 1: there's right. There is a scene where a woman whose

1159
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 1: name we don't ever find out, so that right away

1160
01:00:57,600 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 1: does not pass the back to test, but she does

1161
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 1: talk to Evie. Uh. They're watching sort of the news coverage,

1162
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 1: the fabricated news coverage of the blowing up of the

1163
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 1: bailey on TV, and she's like, do you believe that

1164
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 1: load of bullocks? There was no bloody demolition. I saw it.

1165
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 1: Did you see it? And Evie is like no, last

1166
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 1: night I was like, She's like, oh, that's right. You

1167
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 1: went to see Daddy Dietrich, do you like my British taxing?

1168
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 1: You guys? So they talked about a man like after

1169
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 1: three lines, and we don't know her name, so that

1170
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 1: does not pass. But then a woman comes in and

1171
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 1: she's like, Evie, there you are. You are still working

1172
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 1: for me, aren't you? Sorry? Patricia, so we know her name,

1173
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 1: and then Patricia says, I need two espressos and three

1174
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 1: coffees from downstairs, and Dietrich is ready for his tea.

1175
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 1: I would say that even though Dietrich comes in at

1176
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 1: the end those first two lines where I thought I

1177
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 1: was going to pass and I was looking forward to

1178
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 1: being like, this is a fun one. But because I

1179
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 1: didn't remember, I thought that Evie may have written back

1180
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 1: to Valerie and that would have been like where it

1181
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: wasn't a vocal exchange, that that was like that we've

1182
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 1: been cool, but she doesn't know. She doesn't where she

1183
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 1: going to get parchment to wipe her ass with, you

1184
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 1: know there. So there's another scene right after that where

1185
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 1: two women talk again. Evie talks to the costume woman

1186
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 1: and she like brings in all those boxes that have

1187
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 1: the masks and costume and he's like, what's all that?

1188
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 1: And he was like, not sure. They've just arrived mock

1189
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 1: for stage three and costume and he's like, must be pro.

1190
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 1: So again she brings up a man and then she's like,

1191
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 1: I wish someone had the balls to tell him the

1192
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:34,919
Speaker 1: station and just playground. And then she opens a box.

1193
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: She's like, well so this then very British. Real quick question,

1194
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 1: is Natalie Portman's accent bad or good? I think not

1195
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:49,440
Speaker 1: very good? Not good? Right? I don't know. There's I

1196
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 1: sort of kept forgetting because there were points in the

1197
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 1: movie I'm like, oh, yeah, everyone in this movie is British,

1198
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 1: including Natalie Portman. I sort of forgot well VA's voice

1199
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 1: to kind of there are certain points where I'm like,

1200
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 1: don't just have a thicker accent, which is weird because

1201
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 1: he is British and it still sounds weird because it's

1202
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 1: all over the place. Who's who? What's the name of

1203
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:11,920
Speaker 1: the actor who plays be in this movie? He's like, yeah,

1204
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 1: he's also in the Matrix Agent Smith. He's a Walkoski fave.

1205
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:20,120
Speaker 1: Uh So, whether or not the movie passes the Bechdel test,

1206
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 1: I guess for like a second, whenever Patricia comes in

1207
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 1: and she's like, you are still working for me, aren't you?

1208
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 1: And she says, sorry, I want to give it to

1209
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 1: the I like, technically, I think it's a no, but

1210
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 1: I want but just for the sake of I don't

1211
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 1: think that this movie is like bad for womankind. I

1212
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 1: want to give it a pass. I don't know. This

1213
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 1: isn't this isn't precise. Yeah, let's just say it does

1214
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 1: for a split second, which I think is accurate. Does

1215
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 1: the Bechtel tests have a time some I think some

1216
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 1: variations of it say like it has to happen for

1217
01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 1: this amount of time. I don't, but don't We just

1218
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 1: say technically it's too lines of dialogue between two female

1219
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 1: characters with names, which again is a very low bar, right,

1220
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 1: And I think under that rule it passes. And it's

1221
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 1: the third line of dialogue where they start talking about

1222
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 1: a guy. Right, It's still not great, but I'm going

1223
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 1: to give the pass. I want to give it a pass. Yeah,

1224
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 1: I think I think it's okay. I think it it

1225
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 1: Legit passes under our rules. So you just get five

1226
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 1: good going. So let's write the movie on our nipple scale,

1227
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 1: where we write the movie on its portrayal of women

1228
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 1: on a scale of zero to five nipples. We've got

1229
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 1: some burnt nipples in the name this time five crispy

1230
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 1: nipples are very scorched. Um. I'm going to give it.

1231
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 1: This is real tough for me because I still don't

1232
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 1: really know how I feel about how he treats her

1233
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:57,960
Speaker 1: by imprisoning her and gaslighting her and torturing her as

1234
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:00,800
Speaker 1: a means to end. I mean, free room and board

1235
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 1: would be nice. True, No, rent a year. I didn't

1236
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 1: think I was cooking for her to her did her

1237
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 1: roommate first of all, if she has a roommate, did

1238
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:13,080
Speaker 1: they just get a sub letter? Like? I don't think

1239
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 1: she's seemed like she lived in a studio. I feel

1240
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 1: like shed Okay, that's what it felt like. Oh God,

1241
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 1: I is it like? Is it a three? I don't know.

1242
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 1: I have no idea how to write this movie. I

1243
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 1: was going to say, like four. If I don't know,

1244
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 1: I mean ultimately an arbitrary system, right, No, this is important.

1245
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 1: I'll jump thing. I'll say three and a half. Tricky

1246
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 1: movie where we see a lot of women, we don't

1247
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 1: hear a lot of women. But that's also the exact

1248
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 1: nature of the government being portrayed in regards to women.

1249
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:53,560
Speaker 1: It's tricky. I think that in Evy we have like

1250
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 1: a really awesome challenging the aughtful. I mean, the few

1251
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:00,840
Speaker 1: women that are in are all have depth right, right,

1252
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:03,600
Speaker 1: and they're all given I think, like a fair amount

1253
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 1: of thought by this story, and they're past and thoughts

1254
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 1: have action and implications on the story. And I mean

1255
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 1: I think we have three very strong female characters in

1256
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 1: this movie, um and too strong gate characters. True. Yeah,

1257
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 1: very white movie, extremely white, Like they're that last thing

1258
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 1: where everyone's taking off their masks and it's white people.

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Speaker 1: It's just like especially happen until two thousand and five.

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Speaker 1: I mean, but can the same apply when we were like, oh,

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Speaker 1: women wouldn't be in positions of I feel like a

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Speaker 1: country like this under this sort of regime would have

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Speaker 1: tried to push out people of color are getting pushed out.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, that's what I mean, and I think

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Speaker 1: that's part of why. Like that was the thing when

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Speaker 1: I watched movies and television as I was growing up

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Speaker 1: and as a team, it was like I actively stopped

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Speaker 1: watching things that were too white unless they made sense.

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Speaker 1: And this is one of those movies where I was like,

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Speaker 1: it makes sense and also the women were all very interesting.

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Speaker 1: They were Yeah, I think I think that it's good

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Speaker 1: and I agree with what you're saying of like some

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Speaker 1: of the stuff, some of the dynamics between V and

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Speaker 1: E V are not easy to watch and are subjective

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Speaker 1: in challenging, and I think we'll affect different people in

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Speaker 1: different ways. Yeah, because I mean, I can imagine, you know,

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Speaker 1: if you've been in a really gasl idea abusive relationship

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Speaker 1: and you're watching that, that would be like very triggering.

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Speaker 1: I would imagine. Sure, But in the story, I feel

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Speaker 1: like it does justify itself. I don't know. I'll say

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Speaker 1: three and a half and I'll give my nippies. I'll

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Speaker 1: give two scorched nippies back to v rest in Paradise, Baby,

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Speaker 1: I'll give nipple to Natalie, and then I'll give my

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Speaker 1: lass half nippy to Valerie. She was cool, all right,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with three. And I'm surprised by this

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Speaker 1: because I still love this movie and I and I

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01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, I loved it so time

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Speaker 1: ago to the point where I was like I should

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Speaker 1: get a tattoo about it, but not too late. It's

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Speaker 1: a tattoo Parliament. But rewatching it through this sort of

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01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 1: new lens, I was like, oh wow, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of weird stuff that happens to this female character, and

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01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 1: it does feel like she doesn't have all that much agency,

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01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 1: especially toward the beginning of the movie, and later on

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01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 1: she does to the extent where she's the one who

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01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:25,880
Speaker 1: literally pulls the trigger on the train that ends up

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01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 1: blowing up the house of the Parliament. Super satisfying to watch. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, that was the music and the explosion.

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Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, but um, at the same time,

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Speaker 1: we do have a very complex female character who goes

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Speaker 1: on sort of this incredible arc that women are often

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Speaker 1: aren't afforded in movies. So that was really cool to watch.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm gonna stick with three and my nipples

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Speaker 1: belong to Dietrich Stephen fry To specifically in that scene

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01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:04,559
Speaker 1: in the movie. So many like takes with him going

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01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 1: what like, he does not have a huge part in that.

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Speaker 1: It's just really funny, It's right, Um, And then they

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Speaker 1: I'll give the other one to Finch because I like

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Speaker 1: his character arc as well. Yeah, Um, I don't know, Actually,

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Speaker 1: I guess I'd have to give a nipple to each woman.

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Speaker 1: Okay three yeah, so three yeah Natalie, Yeah in the

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Speaker 1: corner corner. Yeah, I love that character named the corner. Cool.

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Speaker 1: Well more so, thank you so much for having me

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Speaker 1: said this was like, this was a tough one, in

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Speaker 1: a in a good way. What what discourse we've had

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Speaker 1: here today? I think I think it's an imbordt movie,

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Speaker 1: especially now I encourage people to watch it. I think

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Speaker 1: that not enough people have believed that their governments are

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Speaker 1: corrupt as deeply as they are, and that they can

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Speaker 1: get worse. I mean, it's it's happening to us right now. Um,

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Speaker 1: they've always been corrupt, but this movie is kind of

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01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:01,960
Speaker 1: more relevant now than every totally. It's it's I mean

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Speaker 1: for the United States. Yes, it's it's interesting to watch

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Speaker 1: and and I also like that the United States gets

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Speaker 1: a shout out in the beginning of the movie. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well yeah, we're like the US is having a civil

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Speaker 1: the second Civil War. They call it the former United States,

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Speaker 1: Like yeah, this, which was to me, I was like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, this is right now. That was like

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Speaker 1: that like newscast segment, because like when it came out,

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Speaker 1: I would have I would have been like, oh, that's silly.

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Speaker 1: That's not possible. And now I'm like, no, that's it's

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01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 1: it's on its way. And it was still like w

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Speaker 1: Bush era when this movie came, we were divided like

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Speaker 1: like we are now. I mean that's why United we

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Speaker 1: Stand was so popular because everybody was like, yeah, that

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01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:44,920
Speaker 1: is true, we should stand united. Now it's like no

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Speaker 1: division is in right and the like slogan of the

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Speaker 1: UK and the for Vendetta is strength through unity, unity

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01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:59,719
Speaker 1: through faith either a lot of buzzwords, no thought being encouraged.

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01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:04,519
Speaker 1: Alan Moore is somewhere right now, just like like rubbing

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Speaker 1: his hands together like I told you and you got us,

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Speaker 1: You got us good, You're right me and is not royalties. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: online at Marcella Comedy dot com. That's all of my

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Speaker 1: be alive? What just kidding? We're living in the worst time.

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Speaker 1: What a time to be dead? What a time to

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Speaker 1: look forward to? Shout out to flatliners, Today is a

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Speaker 1: good day to die. Always got to send a shout out, Um,

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Speaker 1: thanks for listening. Bye,