WEBVTT - Questlove Supreme: Joan Jett 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.960 Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:09.640 --> 0:00:13.280 Ladies and gentlemen puts up. This is Quest Love separate way, 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:17.079 I believe. Is this our first Quest Love Supreme back 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:20.600 together since since what like last April? 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:24.279 Since the oscars, I feel like I've not spoken to me. 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:26.599 Yeah, I think this is the first one. Maybe we 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:28.800 did like one episode or something like that. But yeah, 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:30.240 I was about to say. 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:32.519 Like this, it's been a long time. We've been doing 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:33.560 a bunch of one on ones. 0:00:33.640 --> 0:00:37.400 But I'll start off our episode people by saying that 0:00:37.520 --> 0:00:41.080 because of the ungodly amount of hours that I've spent 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:45.800 at the Windwood train station or taking the one of 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:48.000 five and the one of three bus to my insurance 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:51.920 job to pay for a demo, I feel just a 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:57.160 little bit more connected to our guest today than any 0:00:57.600 --> 0:00:59.320 than any other guest that's. 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:03.520 Been philadelph adjacent. I'll put it that way. Now, I 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:06.640 got excited. I get excited when any Philly adjacent guest 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:10.240 comes on too. Oh yeah, Quest of Supreme. Uh. And 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:12.880 no matter how much New York tries to claim you. 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:15.480 I know for a fact that you did hard time 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:21.080 at Montgomery County. You know, once once in Philadelphia, always Philadelphia, 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:22.520 AnyWho Philly. 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:25.559 And I lived in Pittsburgh and I lived in Eerie. Oh, yes, 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:29.080 lots of different Yes that's us. 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:35.479 Yes, my mother is from Pittsburgh, so yeah, I am 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:37.200 definitely a share of fair share. 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:40.160 Family members that you know have have. 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:44.800 Educated edumacated me on just life in Pittsburgh in general. 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:50.000 I'll say that our guest today, of course, as a 0:01:50.080 --> 0:01:54.520 legendary singer, legendary songwriter, producer, let's not forget a kick 0:01:54.560 --> 0:02:00.480 caass guitarist, a member of two legendary units. First, of 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:03.520 course coming to us as a member of the Runaways, 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:09.320 a band who pretty much defied all logic and stuck 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:12.320 to their guns and pretty much had inspired a generation 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:16.200 of musicians and creators around the world. 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:19.520 And of course the second band needs no introduction. 0:02:19.760 --> 0:02:22.640 Of course, I'm speaking of her namesake, Joe Jet and 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:26.839 the Black Hearts Class of twenty fifteen Rock and Roll 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:31.000 Hall of Fame. What can I say without her? You know, 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:33.160 I don't even want to limit it to just there's 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:38.360 no riot girl movement. There's just there's a whole portion 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:42.760 of hard rock and punk and a lot of post 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:46.520 late eighties early nineties bands that formed in LA that 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:49.919 really want to existed without our guest today. So, without 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:53.800 further ado, welcome Joone Jet to quest Love Supreme. So 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:57.720 were you talking to us right now? 0:02:58.080 --> 0:03:02.200 Were you was fine? Home in New York and on 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:07.520 Long Island at the beach. Yeah, well yeah, I live 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:10.000 at the beach. Yeah, I'm looking right on the water though. 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:11.000 All right. 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:15.320 You know, I just I discovered I discovered in the pandemic. 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:18.800 And I keep telling everyone, especially New york Er, is 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:22.000 this and they don't believe me. New York doesn't realize 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:25.880 they have their own Mahuland Drive and they have their 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:31.000 own Venice Beach. Now, you know, I've not There was 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:34.320 a point where I think the main train was going 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:39.080 to shut down that leads to Williamsburg causing you know, 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:41.400 it's going to shut down for like two years whatever 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:45.680 while they did reconstruction, causing a whole burrow to literally 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:51.320 relocate elsewhere. Like restaurants started shutting down and all of 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:56.920 them basically relocated to Long Beach. So when a friend 0:03:56.920 --> 0:03:58.760 of mine made me visit out there, I didn't know 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:03.680 what to expect, Like is personally expecting uh you know, 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:12.080 kind of yah Hawkins, like post Benson herses, you know whatever. No, 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:16.680 I went out there and it's like, yo, it is the. 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:20.159 Shit it was. It was pretty beat up, like when 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:22.760 I moved here in nineteen seventy nine. 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:26.720 Oh so you're like a loyalist. You've been there for everything. 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:28.880 So what do you do right after the Runaways broke 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:31.240 pretty much right after the Runaways broke up with seventy 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:35.120 nine that I'm not my partner Kenny Waguna. 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:36.279 What do you make of it now? 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:41.000 Because like literally it's like if I didn't have to 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:44.120 be in Manhattan at like the drop of a dome, like. 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:46.119 I would actually move out to Long Beach. 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:49.560 Like it's it's they totally I don't want to say 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:52.600 just regentified it, but they literally did it. 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:56.919 Yeah, okay, you know they're making it. I don't know 0:04:56.960 --> 0:05:00.760 what you want to call it? Nice end quote, yeah, nicer. 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:03.320 Yeah. I wasn't. I wasn't ready for that. 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:07.360 So when I moved here, it was they just opened 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:10.840 all the mental institutions or something. So when I got here, 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:13.640 there were crazy people walking all over the place, and 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:15.960 you could I could have bought my apartment for like 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:20.000 twenty grand or something. But you know, those days are long. 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:22.000 The price is definitely going up. 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:24.719 So yeah, and now people want places like this so 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:25.560 even more so. 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:30.120 Yeah, anyone's like trying to sell their house right now 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:34.240 in Long Beach can easily take in high six figures 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:35.880 to almost a million. 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:39.200 Definitely, That's that's where it is now. People are like 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:40.119 headed out there. 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:44.520 So I start off of each episode with the question, Uh, 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:48.000 what do you remember what your first musical memory was? 0:05:48.960 --> 0:05:51.840 I can't. I can't be positive, but it would. 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:54.880 Be just one that you remember, not the technical all right, 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:57.599 all right, singing Mary had a little lambite eight months 0:05:57.760 --> 0:05:58.240 what I mean? 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:03.359 But I think of my father playing classical music, or 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:07.080 my parents listening to Johnny Mathis or something like that, 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:07.799 Rank Sinatra. 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:12.560 Okay, how long did you live in Uh? Well, technically 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:16.520 you're born in well Winwood, right, Yeah. 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:19.880 I was born a lack in all Hospital, so wherever 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:24.479 that is. Yeah, I moved very early. I moved at 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:27.719 like six months old and moved to Pittsburgh. So I 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:30.479 can't really say I grew up in Philly. I was 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:31.200 just born there. 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:34.800 So when you have memories of your childhood, what's the 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:35.560 city you think of? 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:37.120 Maryland? 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:38.440 Oh? 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:42.440 Okay, I moved to Maryland from Erie, Pennsylvania when I 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:45.200 was eight. When I was eight, so I moved. I 0:06:45.279 --> 0:06:49.800 lived in Maryland, Rockville, Maryland from eight to thirteen, so 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:53.800 really formative years, you know, when you come into your 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:56.719 own I guess, you know, go from being a kid 0:06:56.800 --> 0:07:00.000 to puberty and you know, all those big changes it happened, 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:03.280 i'd say, eight to your teen years. 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:06.440 What effect does that have on someone that you know, 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:10.560 where you don't have actual roots, like you kind of 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:13.880 move every other year, every two or three years, Like 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:15.400 what effect does that have on you? 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:16.320 As far as like. 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:19.600 That's a good question. I wonder how much of it 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:23.520 I'm doing psychology on myself. I was thinking about this 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:26.320 the other day. How much of it is my was 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:30.400 my lifestyle from a very early age, from being on 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:33.520 the road, you know, just constantly moving and also but 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:36.360 growing up that way too, never really being in one 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:40.360 place very long longest with Maryland when I lived there 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:45.080 five years. So maybe you don't really feel secure and 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:51.160 making friendships or any kind of relationships. So you know, 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:53.720 I don't know. Maybe I tend to keep people at 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:57.120 arms length. Okay, no, it's something I'm unfriendly. It's just 0:07:57.800 --> 0:07:59.240 I'm a good with intimacy. 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:03.920 I suppose that's real. Do you have siblings or like, 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:05.160 what's the No, it's. 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:08.640 It's well, I'm not good at faking it. 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:11.760 Hey man, I feel you. 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:15.200 I have a brother and I have a sister. They 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:18.840 both still live in California. My brother's in San Diego, 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:20.760 my sister's in North Hollywood. 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:22.760 Are you the baby in the middle or the oldest? 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:28.480 No, I'm oldest. Okay, I'm the oldest. I'm out here, 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:34.800 oh instantly, you know, when I was sixteen pretty much, 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:37.720 you know, and and I left and formed the band 0:08:37.800 --> 0:08:41.560 and not really at home much more after that. I 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:45.120 think I see the I think I see the repercussions 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:48.079 of that now later. But I don't know if that's 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:54.040 my lifestyle or if it's from not really having that connective. 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:58.840 Family thing as the result of moving. Was that because 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:02.280 you were an army brat or just my father. 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:04.360 Was you know, my father was an insurance man, so 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:08.679 traveling insurance, traveling insurance man in the olden days. That 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:11.679 is that a real thing? Or was that at a hostitle. 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:16.160 I went out to Either way, I went out to 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:19.400 it to uh when would to sell insurance? 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:21.360 So I don't know, maybe I was like working for 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:21.880 your father. 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:25.200 Yeah, yeah, but I guess you know, they have areas 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:27.480 and they'd go and I don't know if it was 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:29.720 a door to door. I really don't know. I didn't 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:32.200 I didn't discuss it with them that much. But that's 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:36.760 that's what my mother told me. Anyway, traveling traveling salesman. Okay, 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:37.960 so we moved around. 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:43.120 Yeah, do you remember the first album that you purchased 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:44.320 with your own money? 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:46.679 I should know this, right, or a single or a 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:47.840 single well. 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:49.560 Probably was an Osmond brother's record. 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:51.600 Thank you. You know. 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:58.640 Oftentimes, maybe I shouldn't be that honest. 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:01.320 I was gonna say most most people get stuck with 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:04.320 this because I think for a lot of us, the 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:08.320 answer is always going to be an uncool answer, you know. 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:11.040 I think for the shut up Steve, because no, I'm 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:15.599 thinking my owners the coolest. But yeah, well no, you know, 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:17.920 I would naturally tell people like, oh yeah, Jackson five 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:18.400 or whatever. 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:24.040 But the real answer was Neil saidaka, but how's that 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:26.720 going to look in print? You know? Not great? 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:30.440 Could have been the Chaps at five too. I mean 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:34.559 you know what, I just I just got done watching 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:38.679 the movie that you won thank you towards for I've been. 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:44.280 It is so great, and it reminds me of growing 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:48.880 up because I feel like the music I grew up 0:10:48.920 --> 0:10:53.280 listening to was a lot more diversified and a lot 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:58.920 a lot blacker than people would I would even no, 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:01.960 I suppose it just seemed to be a lot a 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:05.960 lot of all those songs, all those bands that were 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:09.320 in that very familiar with it all. But it feels 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:13.200 like stuff I watched as a kid, right, you know, 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:15.000 I don't know, I loved it. 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:15.600 Thank you. 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:18.360 Yeah, you know, I think for a lot of people, 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:23.400 you know, especially with this movie, the kind of the 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:27.640 underline or the undertone of it all is basically like 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:30.800 this was you know, it was easily lost in history. 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:33.680 It's set in basement for fifty years, so you know, 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:36.920 for it to get out one was the miracle. But 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:40.720 you know, to also just let the world know about, 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:42.280 you know, contributions to culture. 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:45.360 But thank you, thank you for absolutely. I appreciate that. 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:48.600 Absolutely, But even more than just the music, I see, 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:50.840 you know what they were saying about the change, you 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:53.760 know that they wrote upon this this change that was 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:57.040 happening in society and just the way people looked at 0:11:57.080 --> 0:12:02.360 themselves and stuff, and it was you know, really quite poignant, 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:04.640 I thought, and really on. 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:06.320 You know, I appreciate that. 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:09.040 Did you come from a musical family like a cousin 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:10.760 or any of those things? 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:14.199 I really think everybody, I think if you gave them 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:18.840 no to answer your question, no, nobody, not that they actualized. 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:23.640 But I believe because my family all tended to be 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:29.040 creative but never actualized it. You know, they were too 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:32.640 fearful or didn't think it was their place or right. 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:32.800 You know. 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:34.560 Look, I know my dad loved art and he loved 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:38.079 the jaw or paint and you should have done that, 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:41.880 you know. And you know my mom all those things. 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:44.160 My brother I know that he would have liked to 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:47.720 play an instrument but didn't pursue it. And I'm sure 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:50.000 my sister, you know, she's an artist too, she makes 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:54.280 things with her hands. So yeah, they all have that thing, 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:58.800 but didn't really get the chance that I kind of 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:00.079 just grabbed and took. 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:04.679 All right, So what was the entry of or at 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:08.040 least the moment that you felt like, Okay, this is 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:10.240 what I want to do, like the curiosity factor? 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:12.320 What was that moment for you? 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:19.480 Hearing songs like the Bangagong by t Rex, just hearing 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:22.560 certain songs on the radio all right now by the 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:24.959 free because there was something that was a little out 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:28.000 of tune with one of the guitars on the rhythm guitar, 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:31.160 and something about that made me want to go, I 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:34.239 want to make those sounds. It was something that connected 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:38.280 with my bones, you know, with my crotch, and even 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:40.920 as a little kid, I knew it. I didn't know 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:44.840 what the word was, but I knew that it resonated 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:47.679 deep inside me, you know, and I wanted to make 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:51.720 those sounds. So I think, though, I'm I'm just lucky 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:55.560 that the way my life moved, because it could have 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:58.360 been anything. I could have moved on to another thing 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:00.680 that I loved. I mean, I loved horses. I rode 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:04.840 horses for a while. I mean the guitar. My family. 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:07.040 I got this guitar. I tried to learn how to 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:10.160 play it, but I didn't really have anyone to play with, 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:12.600 so I kind of just learned the basic chords and 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:17.040 put it down. Then my family moved to guitar. Yes 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:18.040 it is, Yes it is. 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:19.280 Everyone starts off with. 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:25.440 And then my family moved to Los Angeles. So now 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:30.240 I'm like, okay, now I'm going with a place where 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:32.400 there's gotta be other girls that want to do what 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:35.480 I'm doing. It's gotta be in Los Angeles. He's got 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:38.160 to be other girls that want to play mock and roll. 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:41.400 And you know, I was right, And I'm sure if 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:43.840 i'd really looked around Maryland or you know, any of 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:45.920 the big cities are going to DC, I would have 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:48.600 found it too. But I just wasn't thinking that way 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:51.560 because all my magazines that I was reading geared me 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:52.560 towards Hollywood. 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:58.880 Okay for you though, you know how usual or unusual 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:05.800 especially you formative years, Like was guitar encouraged or you 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:10.040 know oftentimes or was there someone like you might want 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:13.960 to do piano or the clarinet or like something that. 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:18.760 I did okay in school, you know, but I wasn't 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:21.240 very good at it, and I wasn't I wasn't that interested. 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:23.840 And now I wish i'd now, I wish I had 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:26.400 paid attention, you know. And then I had learned to 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:29.600 play just so I could read music, but you know, 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:32.560 just to be able to play other instruments. I was 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:36.000 made to feel quite inadequate. I just worked with the 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:41.640 trombone shorty and made me feel really you see that 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:44.400 guy on he's with a little little kid with a 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:47.840 big trombone, you know, but you know, now he's an 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:50.520 older guy, but he's just you know, he's one of 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:51.600 those prodigy people. 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:54.600 So did you just learn to play just mainly about 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:56.280 ear or you still don't read music? 0:15:56.320 --> 0:16:01.000 Now that's just you know, was my records and stuff? 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:04.960 Were you encouraged because I think that yes, no, especially 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:11.120 especially with anyone with a woman grabbing an instrument in 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:15.800 the sixties and the seventies, hell even eighties, almost like 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:17.640 I'm certain that there has to be some sort of 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:21.560 figure there that says women can't do that, and women, you. 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:27.040 Know, everybody said that. Nobody encouraged me. Nobody only my 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:29.320 parents who told me when I was a little kid 0:16:29.320 --> 0:16:31.920 that I could be anything I wanted to be. So 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:34.200 now they couldn't turn around and say, well, you could 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:37.240 be anything except a guitar player. So you know, they 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:39.280 just thought I'd grow out of it, that I'd phase 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:42.000 out of it and go into something else, which I 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:44.000 think I might have happened had I not moved to 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:48.200 California and been able to find other other girls, and 0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:50.280 maybe I would have gone on to something else. But 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:54.200 that didn't happen, and I went to LA and nobody 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:56.720 thought it was a good idea. My guitar teacher said 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:59.640 girls don't play rock and roll, which I knew right away. 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:02.520 What he if, they want you to play acoustic instead? Yeah, 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:04.359 like follow Mitchell. 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:07.680 Or yeah, yeah, pretty much, pretty much. But I knew 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:10.400 exactly what that meant. Girls don't play rock and roll. 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:12.480 So what are you saying to me? You're saying girl, 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:16.320 You're not saying girls can't master the guitar, because I'm 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:19.159 in school, I'm playing clarinet. There's girls next to me 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:23.080 playing violin and cello, playing Beethoven and box So you're 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:25.480 not saying that you can't master the instrument. What you're 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:28.760 saying is rock and roll is sexual by its nature. 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:33.920 So if women are playing rock and roll and singing 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:40.240 rock and roll, they're singing about sexuality and they're owning it. 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:43.280 And we're not comfortable with that. And I knew that 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:46.680 as a as a kid, even then, I knew that 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:48.439 that just you weren't allowed to it. But I had 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:52.200 something to do with sex, and I was just like, no, 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:54.359 you know, because this is so not about sex. 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:54.639 For me. 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:56.480 I want to be able to do this because I 0:17:56.520 --> 0:17:59.320 want to do it. You know, Mick Jagger rides out 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:02.159 on a big inflatable penis. I want to do what 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:04.639 the Rolling Stones do? You know what I had nothing 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:08.479 to do with with that. It was about fairness. I 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:12.960 know it doesn't make sense, but it was about and 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:17.119 the right thing. What's right. I mean, I'm not hurting people, 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:19.440 you know, I'm playing rock them home for Price's sake, 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:21.919 give me a break. So that that's the kind of 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:26.320 fire that would fuel me on through through all this stuff. 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:33.840 See, I never I never had the pleasure of having 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:37.800 a conversation with anyone who you know, it's pretty much 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:41.000 either first out the gate or at least in the 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:47.040 pine pioneering stages of starting a movement, to to even 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:49.160 ask them what their mind state is, you know, because 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:53.840 oftentimes you know, our our greats leave and you know 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:56.919 before we get to ask them about their process. And 0:18:57.000 --> 0:19:01.800 so you know, I always wanted to know if because 0:19:01.800 --> 0:19:04.560 even when I was in high school, like someone I 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:07.040 think I was honest with one teacher like what I 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:08.520 was going to do, Like I'm start a band with 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:11.040 that da And you know, I went to high school 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:14.800 with boys to men, and they were yeah, they were 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:18.159 like on fire, and you know, I sort of like, well, 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:20.840 you know, are you guys going to be boys to 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:21.800 men popular? 0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:24.639 You're just gonna be one of these local accidents. You know. 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:28.480 I wasn't thinking that deep about my process or anything. 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:31.240 I think he tried to talk me out of like 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:34.320 pursuing my career. 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:37.760 So yeah, see, I don't understand that about people. This 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:40.240 is what I want to know about people in dreams. 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:43.040 You know, you're sitting here shooting the shit with your 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:45.240 friends and you say what you said, do you want 0:19:45.280 --> 0:19:47.520 to play? And someone tries to talk you out of it? 0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:48.040 Right? 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:51.280 Why is everyone dear to try to talk you out 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:54.480 of it as opposed to saying, yeah, man, that sounds interesting, 0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:56.680 go for it. At least if you don't make it, 0:19:57.119 --> 0:19:59.560 you gave it a shot. You give you dream a shot. 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:01.399 What is that about people? 0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:05.000 I think some people get infent or they get intimidated 0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:08.399 when they see that your dreams don't include them. 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:09.960 And so they just have to shoot the shit down, 0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:10.480 you know what I mean. 0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:13.120 That's like if I run a Hamburger stand, the last 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:14.760 thing I want you to do is become a vegan. 0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:18.399 You know what I mean? Don't don't do that, you 0:20:18.440 --> 0:20:18.880 know what I mean. 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:24.240 But I also think that oftentimes we're just I think 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:28.840 in America we often training ourselves to do this safe thing. 0:20:29.359 --> 0:20:31.920 Like I think hopefully my generation is the last generation. 0:20:32.000 --> 0:20:35.879 What you're here like fall back on something safe, Like 0:20:35.960 --> 0:20:39.159 I definitely learned that from every Uncle COVID. 0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:40.720 That showed us ain't shit safe because do what you 0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:43.840 want to know rightly exactly. 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:47.560 So what Okay, so you're a musician in Los Angeles 0:20:47.600 --> 0:20:51.280 and you're young at the time. Had this been you know, 0:20:51.840 --> 0:20:54.480 twenty two thousand and seven or whatever, you would have 0:20:54.600 --> 0:20:57.240 the aide of the Internet to help you. But what 0:20:57.400 --> 0:21:02.440 is the process of finding what you're specifically looking for, 0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:08.560 which I assume are women that play instruments and are 0:21:08.640 --> 0:21:11.160 passionate about it just as you are, Like, so, what's 0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:14.640 the process of searching for them? And at any point 0:21:14.680 --> 0:21:17.440 where you just like, at least at least in the 0:21:17.840 --> 0:21:21.679 runaway stages where you like, okay, anyone male female can 0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:24.199 join or for you, is it like I have to 0:21:24.240 --> 0:21:25.000 find all women? 0:21:25.440 --> 0:21:27.840 No, And for the runaways, it was definitely an all 0:21:28.400 --> 0:21:32.160 women thing because you know, we hadn't hadn't really been 0:21:32.200 --> 0:21:34.960 done or you know, if it hadn't been done and 0:21:35.080 --> 0:21:38.760 been done years earlier with full grown women, but not 0:21:39.280 --> 0:21:42.760 teenage girls. And so I just had this thing and 0:21:42.840 --> 0:21:44.639 I wanted to do it, and I didn't see a 0:21:44.640 --> 0:21:49.000 good reason to change that that plan, you know, and 0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:51.960 give up so easy, you know, saying, oh, this might 0:21:52.000 --> 0:21:55.000 be hard, but you know, it's hard to think back 0:21:55.040 --> 0:21:58.760 and realize how different it was then than it is 0:21:58.840 --> 0:22:02.439