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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen puts up. This is Quest Love separate way,

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Speaker 2: I believe. Is this our first Quest Love Supreme back

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Speaker 2: together since since what like last April?

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Speaker 1: Since the oscars, I feel like I've not spoken to me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this is the first one. Maybe we

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Speaker 2: did like one episode or something like that. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: I was about to say.

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Speaker 1: Like this, it's been a long time. We've been doing

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Speaker 1: a bunch of one on ones.

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Speaker 2: But I'll start off our episode people by saying that

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Speaker 2: because of the ungodly amount of hours that I've spent

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Speaker 2: at the Windwood train station or taking the one of

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Speaker 2: five and the one of three bus to my insurance

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Speaker 2: job to pay for a demo, I feel just a

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Speaker 2: little bit more connected to our guest today than any

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Speaker 2: than any other guest that's.

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Speaker 1: Been philadelph adjacent. I'll put it that way. Now, I

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Speaker 1: got excited. I get excited when any Philly adjacent guest

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Speaker 1: comes on too. Oh yeah, Quest of Supreme. Uh. And

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Speaker 1: no matter how much New York tries to claim you.

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Speaker 2: I know for a fact that you did hard time

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Speaker 2: at Montgomery County. You know, once once in Philadelphia, always Philadelphia,

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Speaker 2: AnyWho Philly.

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Speaker 3: And I lived in Pittsburgh and I lived in Eerie. Oh, yes,

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Speaker 3: lots of different Yes that's us.

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Speaker 2: Yes, my mother is from Pittsburgh, so yeah, I am

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Speaker 2: definitely a share of fair share.

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Speaker 1: Family members that you know have have.

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Speaker 2: Educated edumacated me on just life in Pittsburgh in general.

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Speaker 2: I'll say that our guest today, of course, as a

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Speaker 2: legendary singer, legendary songwriter, producer, let's not forget a kick

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Speaker 2: caass guitarist, a member of two legendary units. First, of

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Speaker 2: course coming to us as a member of the Runaways,

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Speaker 2: a band who pretty much defied all logic and stuck

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Speaker 2: to their guns and pretty much had inspired a generation

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Speaker 2: of musicians and creators around the world.

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Speaker 1: And of course the second band needs no introduction.

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Speaker 2: Of course, I'm speaking of her namesake, Joe Jet and

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Speaker 2: the Black Hearts Class of twenty fifteen Rock and Roll

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Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. What can I say without her? You know,

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Speaker 2: I don't even want to limit it to just there's

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Speaker 2: no riot girl movement. There's just there's a whole portion

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Speaker 2: of hard rock and punk and a lot of post

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Speaker 2: late eighties early nineties bands that formed in LA that

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Speaker 2: really want to existed without our guest today. So, without

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Speaker 2: further ado, welcome Joone Jet to quest Love Supreme. So

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Speaker 2: were you talking to us right now?

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Speaker 3: Were you was fine? Home in New York and on

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Speaker 3: Long Island at the beach. Yeah, well yeah, I live

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Speaker 3: at the beach. Yeah, I'm looking right on the water though.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 2: You know, I just I discovered I discovered in the pandemic.

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Speaker 2: And I keep telling everyone, especially New york Er, is

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Speaker 2: this and they don't believe me. New York doesn't realize

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Speaker 2: they have their own Mahuland Drive and they have their

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Speaker 2: own Venice Beach. Now, you know, I've not There was

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Speaker 2: a point where I think the main train was going

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Speaker 2: it's going to shut down for like two years whatever

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Speaker 2: while they did reconstruction, causing a whole burrow to literally

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Speaker 2: them basically relocated to Long Beach. So when a friend

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Speaker 2: what to expect, Like is personally expecting uh you know,

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Speaker 2: kind of yah Hawkins, like post Benson herses, you know whatever. No,

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Speaker 2: I went out there and it's like, yo, it is the.

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Speaker 3: Shit it was. It was pretty beat up, like when

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Speaker 3: I moved here in nineteen seventy nine.

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Speaker 1: Oh so you're like a loyalist. You've been there for everything.

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Speaker 3: So what do you do right after the Runaways broke

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Speaker 3: pretty much right after the Runaways broke up with seventy

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Speaker 1: What do you make of it now?

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Speaker 2: Because like literally it's like if I didn't have to

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Speaker 1: I would actually move out to Long Beach.

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Speaker 2: Like it's it's they totally I don't want to say

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I wasn't. I wasn't ready for that.

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Speaker 3: So when I moved here, it was they just opened

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Speaker 2: Yeah, anyone's like trying to sell their house right now

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Speaker 1: Definitely, That's that's where it is now. People are like

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Speaker 2: So I start off of each episode with the question, Uh,

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Speaker 2: what do you remember what your first musical memory was?

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Speaker 3: I can't. I can't be positive, but it would.

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Speaker 2: Be just one that you remember, not the technical all right,

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Speaker 3: But I think of my father playing classical music, or

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Speaker 1: Okay, how long did you live in Uh? Well, technically

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Speaker 3: I was born a lack in all Hospital, so wherever

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Speaker 3: can't really say I grew up in Philly. I was

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Speaker 1: So when you have memories of your childhood, what's the

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Speaker 3: Okay, I moved to Maryland from Erie, Pennsylvania when I

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Speaker 2: What effect does that have on someone that you know,

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Speaker 2: what effect does that have on you?

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Speaker 3: I'm a good with intimacy.

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Speaker 1: I suppose that's real. Do you have siblings or like,

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Speaker 3: It's well, I'm not good at faking it.

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Speaker 1: Hey man, I feel you.

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Speaker 3: I have a brother and I have a sister. They

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Speaker 1: Are you the baby in the middle or the oldest?

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Speaker 2: Family thing as the result of moving. Was that because

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Speaker 3: Was you know, my father was an insurance man, so

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Speaker 3: traveling insurance, traveling insurance man in the olden days. That

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Speaker 2: I went out to Either way, I went out to

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Speaker 1: So I don't know, maybe I was like working for

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you remember the first album that you purchased

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Speaker 1: I should know this, right, or a single or a

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Speaker 3: Probably was an Osmond brother's record.

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Speaker 3: Oftentimes, maybe I shouldn't be that honest.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, I loved it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: It's set in basement for fifty years, so you know,

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Speaker 1: But thank you, thank you for absolutely. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, But even more than just the music, I see,

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Speaker 1: You know, I appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: Did you come from a musical family like a cousin

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Speaker 3: I really think everybody, I think if you gave them

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Speaker 3: So yeah, see, I don't understand that about people. This

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Speaker 3: Why is everyone dear to try to talk you out

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Speaker 4: I think some people get infent or they get intimidated

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Don't don't do that, you

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Speaker 2: But I also think that oftentimes we're just I think

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Speaker 3: No, And for the runaways, it was definitely an all

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Speaker 3: You know, there was none of this.

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Speaker 4: He's in Wilma's Nick right, but we're like to ask me.

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Speaker 1: We didn't meet each other until it was and that

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Speaker 2: Even meet yet before they made a classic album, you

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Speaker 1: And so yeah, so you know what, what is the process.

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Speaker 2: Of how do you find these these first of a

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Speaker 3: Yes, in that time, I believe what we did is

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Speaker 1: This is around seventy four or seventy five.

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Speaker 2: So all right, this is what I have to know.

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 3: I didn't drive, no buses. I took a lot of buses.

441
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:06,400
Speaker 3: And also my mother was, you know, sort of complicit

442
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 3: in all this, so she uh would drive me to rehearsal.

443
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 3: She would take me to the club sometimes and pick

444
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 3: me up late at night.

445
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, she So clubs weren't sweating like I mean, of course,

446
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 2: now we live in a place where you got to

447
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 2: show you know, damn near twelve forms of ID to

448
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 2: get in anywhere, or it is your license.

449
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,680
Speaker 3: K cull I went to it was it was for teenagers.

450
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:34,199
Speaker 3: There was no booze, so to worry about that. So

451
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 3: there was no booze there. And I don't think she

452
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,920
Speaker 3: was really thinking about drugs or anything like that.

453
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 2: Who were your were you're any any of your contemporaries

454
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 2: also sort of in that movement that later became names.

455
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 1: Themselves like no not really once.

456
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 2: Like Cherry and Lida, your band members sort of like

457
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 2: come in to play.

458
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 1: How did you know that? Okay, this is this is it?

459
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 1: They're the ones?

460
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 3: Well, we didn't have that many choices number one, you

461
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 3: know what I mean. It was more like do we

462
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 3: want to try? Well, first it was it was the

463
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 3: drummer myself, Sandy West and I. We missed, yeah, and

464
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 3: so we were solid as hell. Sandy and I. I

465
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 3: took four buses to her house in Huntington Beach. Four yeah,

466
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 3: four bosses, and I set up in her wreck room

467
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 3: and we played you know, some just basic Chuck Berry

468
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:35,439
Speaker 3: rock and roll progression and said, you know, it was

469
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 3: really good. Sandy played with a lot of guy you know,

470
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,919
Speaker 3: high school band kind of things, and so she was

471
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 3: used to playing with bands, but usually guys. So we

472
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 3: really locked in and we called Kim Falley who was

473
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 3: our producer, who became our producer, and said, hey, check

474
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 3: it out, put the phone down, played for him, said

475
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 3: it sounds great. Let's go find other girls. So it

476
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 3: was really you know, from there we started looking when

477
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 3: start looking at clubs and I put an ad in

478
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 3: a paper and stuff like that.

479
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 1: Who came up with the name of Runaways?

480
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 3: I did?

481
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: Okay, so already at your marketing plan?

482
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I've been thinking about this for

483
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 3: a little while now, you know, a couple of months

484
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 3: at least.

485
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:23,919
Speaker 2: Did you guys have a daily regiment or was just

486
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 2: like when every time was free, then we'll rehearse or whatever.

487
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 3: But yeah, I really tell the truth, I can't remember.

488
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: Amazing.

489
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 2: How can you be a kid and also start this

490
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 2: very adult thing?

491
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 3: Yeah?

492
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 1: All parents involved, like encouraging of this.

493
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 3: Or no, our parents were involved, but a couple of

494
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 3: the girls were a year younger than me, so they

495
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 3: were like in eleventh grade, so they still had school

496
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 3: to deal with. And yeah, not all the parents were

497
00:26:55,840 --> 00:27:00,199
Speaker 3: throlled about it. But in the end, I don't no.

498
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 3: I guess they didn't want to fight their daughters or something.

499
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 3: But for school, I got good, pretty good grades, and

500
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 3: I took my ged I was already in twelfth grade,

501
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 3: but I wanted to get out a little bit early

502
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 3: so we could go on the road.

503
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: So, okay, I always wanted to know.

504
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 2: I guess in me the the initial incarnation of the Runaways,

505
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 2: like why weren't you the lead singer or why didn't

506
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 2: you want to be the before?

507
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was way too shy at the time. And

508
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 3: you know, I was way too shy. I had no confidence,

509
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 3: you know, I just I had no confidence, and it

510
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 3: was just really shy. It was amazing that I could

511
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 3: do what I wanted, what I was doing, you know,

512
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 3: just getting on on stage with the guitar.

513
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 1: But did you have your voice then? You just kept

514
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 1: it as a secret or.

515
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 3: I sang back, I sang background vocals. Yeah I could sing.

516
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 3: Yeah I could sing. I did wind up singing half

517
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 3: of the leads on the first Runaways album because Shari

518
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 3: didn't want to sing the rock and roll or the

519
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 3: rock and roll harder songs. She felt that she didn't

520
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 3: have the voice for it or didn't feel comfortable singing

521
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 3: some of them. So the one she didn't feel comfortable singing,

522
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 3: I sang the leads and I sang backup on everything else.

523
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 3: So I did have a voice, but I just wasn't

524
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 3: comfortable being the focal point.

525
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: Man, gotcha.

526
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 2: So at this point, at this point in developing the band,

527
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 2: who are you looking up to? Because again, you guys

528
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 2: have ushered in. You guys ushered in an era and

529
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 2: you know, pretty much your band's existence just basically starts

530
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 2: a domino effect on again people that come ten to

531
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 2: fifteen years later. But you know, in seventy five, seventy six,

532
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 2: when you guys are doing this band, like who's cool

533
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 2: to you? Like are the Stones and Zeppelin? Sort of

534
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 2: like ah, that's old whatever music? Like who who's grabbing

535
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 2: your attention?

536
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: Like?

537
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I know I was disappointed with the

538
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 3: Stones and they started doing.

539
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: Like you weren't an exil Lamain steep Stream.

540
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know I wanted them to.

541
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: You didn't like something rock and roll.

542
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 3: You know, I didn't like them doing some girls.

543
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it.

544
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 3: Was it was fine, but you know, I don't know.

545
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 3: I guess I wanted them to be playing something that

546
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 3: I could really rock out to.

547
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: You know, whatever, No one stays rebellious forever.

548
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 3: I know. I know that it's a.

549
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: Good seven year I.

550
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 2: Get it now, before you start doing your classical record

551
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 2: or whatever.

552
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 3: No, I get it now, I believe me. But I

553
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 3: think a lot. I think I really started looking to

554
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 3: the punk rock stuff right away because the Ramones came out,

555
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 3: I believe in nineteen seventy five, late seventy five, very

556
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:02,959
Speaker 3: first Ramones album and all the punk's rock stuff I

557
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 3: was reading a lot about and I really gravitated very

558
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 3: quickly to a lot of those bands because I felt,

559
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 3: you know, kinship with a lot of them.

560
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 2: I mean, there's always like groups or artists or albums

561
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 2: that are always on someone's cannon, like.

562
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: Their top five records of all the time.

563
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 2: You always see the names whatever, and I never sometimes

564
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 2: you don't do the investigation of it, and you know,

565
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:31,479
Speaker 2: of course I've always seen them Ramon's name everywhere. Finally,

566
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 2: I listened down from from top to bottom, like two

567
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:39,239
Speaker 2: years ago and realized, like how genius and hard it

568
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 2: is to really convey emotion and lyricism in less than

569
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 2: two minutes.

570
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 4: Hey, let's go yo a jam though, that's a jam exactly.

571
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 2: So for you, were you seeing that there was a

572
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 2: science here, like, you know, the type of rock that

573
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 2: you were you were fed as a child is way

574
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 2: different than the ideas that you're about to spew into

575
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 2: the world. Like for you, it was like, look, we

576
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 2: gotta don't boris get to the chorus two minutes.

577
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 3: Right, Well, no, you gotta see. The thing was, it

578
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 3: didn't really transfer that much into our music. Might might

579
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 3: have translated a little bit to my songwriting, but you know,

580
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 3: as a group, as a band, most of the girls

581
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 3: weren't really into the punk rock the way I was.

582
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 3: You know, they were much more they liked heavier bands,

583
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 3: you know, more like you know or yeah, yeah, you

584
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 3: know that heavier stuff, Rainbow you know, whichy blackmore that

585
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 3: kind of stuff. So, you know, we didn't really see

586
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 3: eye to eye on our hang out music. So we

587
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 3: didn't you know, we had to come from a place

588
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 3: when we met in the middle, So you know, I

589
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 3: just stole considered what we did to be basic rock

590
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 3: and roll.

591
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 2: What was the division of labor as far as the

592
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 2: songwriting is concerned and what you're going to cover or

593
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 2: who's gonna write what? Like, who's who's the primary songwriter

594
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 2: of the group?

595
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: Was that your giant?

596
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 3: I think I think it was May For the most part,

597
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 3: it was May. I wrote either songs with Kim Valley

598
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 3: as a lyricist, or I wrote songs by myself. I

599
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 3: think I wrote a couple with some of the other girls,

600
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 3: but not too many. And yeah, so I guess I

601
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 3: was the primary one.

602
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 2: Back then, Like it was sort of hard for you

603
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 2: guys to break out in the States, but yet you

604
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 2: know you're the magic's working instantaneously when you go overseas.

605
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: Like how much of a mind fuck? Was that too?

606
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: Kind of because that's very similar to hip hop?

607
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 2: Like, you know, my band had to move to Europe

608
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 2: for five years, right, just so that you know, in

609
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 2: quote unquote pool of Hendrix and then come back to

610
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 2: the Units States like that sort of thing. Like, but

611
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 2: in your mind, was it a dream deferred or like, wait,

612
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 2: what's going on here?

613
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: Or what were your feelings.

614
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 3: On I thought, well, you know, a lot of different

615
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 3: a lot of different feelings. Yeah, one part of me

616
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 3: had wished that we had the same sort of response

617
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 3: in the States, but it was so different around the world.

618
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 3: And Japan was like all girls and like the Beatles,

619
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 3: like Mania, people fainting, girls fainting, and I think it,

620
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 3: I think it kind of scared a couple of the

621
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 3: other girls. I was exhilarated, but you know, there were

622
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 3: people who were rocking the car, and we'd never really

623
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 3: had that kind of experience at all. I mean, anybody

624
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 3: in their right mind would probably should probably be scared,

625
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 3: but I didn't get too scared. And then in Scandinavia,

626
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 3: another place, all girls, all wearing real pacifiers and sucking

627
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 3: on these pacifiers. Yeah, tell me about it. Yeah, I

628
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 3: didn't get it, and I never found out what it was.

629
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 3: I guess it was just some kind of fat or

630
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 3: fashion that they were doing, but.

631
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: On particular photo shooters.

632
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, they were giving us the ideas,

633
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 3: you know. But then then in England, you know, England

634
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 3: gets you know, they I think they got the runaways

635
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 3: of a lot more than Americans did, but they still,

636
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 3: you know, the English love to take the piss out

637
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 3: of you. So we took a lot of ship, but

638
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 3: there were a lot of people I think there that

639
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 3: liked us too. We did well in Germany and I

640
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 3: think Europe did pretty well, but we didn't tour there

641
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 3: a lot, so I don't know face to face and

642
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 3: record stales I can never go by really, because you know.

643
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 2: So retrospect, where would you categorize the genre? You know,

644
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 2: are you guys at the forefront of the La punk movement?

645
00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: Were you just hard rock? Were you you kind of the.

646
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 2: Towards barer for what will eventually become like the glam

647
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 2: metal scene that would happen fifteen years later with those

648
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:08,919
Speaker 2: groups in LA.

649
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,879
Speaker 3: I mean I always just called it rock and roll,

650
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 3: and I think what we did. I think what we

651
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 3: did was punk rock to its core, you know, just

652
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 3: doing dictating what you're gonna do and doing it and

653
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 3: not listening to what anybody says, and I mean I thought,

654
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 3: and doing that in the context of how society treated

655
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,720
Speaker 3: you at the time, I think it was the ultimate

656
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 3: punk rock stuff. You know, even for the girls it

657
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 3: didn't want to play in punk rock. They were being

658
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 3: punk rock just by what they were doing. They didn't

659
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 3: have to play it.

660
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: So you guys pretty dissolved almost as quick as yeah,

661
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: you came aboard.

662
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,879
Speaker 2: Do you remember how eventful or uneventful the last night

663
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 2: of the group was before you realize that it's not

664
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 2: happening anymore.

665
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 3: I don't remember remember if it was. I know it

666
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 3: wasn't a happy time, and we knew it was a

667
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 3: New Year's seventy eight into seventy nine. It was our

668
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 3: last gig, and we knew it was our last gig

669
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 3: because we decided to disband after that because I didn't

670
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,720
Speaker 3: want you know, I felt like I said, that musical

671
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 3: separation was there between girls want to play heavier music

672
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 3: than me, and so I thought, man, I don't want

673
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 3: to get fired from the band I started or something weird,

674
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 3: So let me just quit and we'll just you guys

675
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 3: can do your thing.

676
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 2: And well, I can assume that leader was one that

677
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 2: wanted to do heavier stuff, right.

678
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 3: It was not animosity, It was not you know, it

679
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 3: was not an anger or anything. We weren't going fuck you,

680
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 3: fuck you, right, you know, it was just like because

681
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 3: we had been friendly, we didn't want it to be

682
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 3: weird and it's just like, just let me, I'll just go.

683
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 3: You guys do your thing.

684
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 2: You know, it's weird before I got admit that in

685
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 2: watching the documentary, I didn't realize that quote that Leader

686
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 2: Ford was the Leader Ford and the Runaways, because I

687
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 2: guess my my dealings with leaders any anytime, there was

688
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 2: always a person that wanted to give I'm not even

689
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 2: making any nugent comparisons, but if there was anyone that

690
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 2: ever wanted to give like hip hop the middle finger

691
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 2: with a quote.

692
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: It was always Leader. For I knew her more for

693
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: her disdain of hip hop than I lived for like

694
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: what she actually did.

695
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, for real, Like I guess I should say

696
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 3: I'm not surprised, but yeah, like I know her.

697
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 2: For her quotes of like why she ateed hip hop?

698
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 2: So I always knew that. Whenever I hear the name

699
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 2: Leader for it, I'm like, what happened now? But then

700
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 2: you know, But then when I started the thing, I

701
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 2: was like, oh, she was a runaway.

702
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: I get it now.

703
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 3: So I don't want no guilt by association though, because.

704
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 1: Hey man, we all know you made Light a Day.

705
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 4: I used to watch that movie every day after school

706
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 4: when I was in like third grade, So we.

707
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 1: As a twenty one year old, are you feeling like Okay? Well,

708
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: I did that? What do I do now? For you?

709
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: It's just like on to the next, Like.

710
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 3: Did you know I was feeling like it was time

711
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 3: to die? It is what I was feeling like. I

712
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 3: was feeling like the whole city of LA was laughing,

713
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 3: going we told you it wouldn't work. We told you

714
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 3: girls can't play rock and roll, you know, and I

715
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 3: just was I was not taking care of myself. I

716
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 3: was drinking too much. My dreams were crushed, you know,

717
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 3: and I had no friends. You know. It was like

718
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 3: everybody was gone, you know what I mean. They disappear

719
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,280
Speaker 3: on that level and you're just alone with your thoughts

720
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,240
Speaker 3: and your beer or whatever it was I was drinking.

721
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 2: So how long did the sort of the feeling of

722
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 2: funk last before you started your I assume that, you know,

723
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 2: starting the Black Hearts was your eventual Yeah.

724
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 3: Well, actually I met my partner, Kenny Luduna, my songwriting

725
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,760
Speaker 3: partner and my producer. He became my producer and manager

726
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 3: because nobody else wanted to deal with me. We met

727
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 3: to write songs for a movie that I had contracted

728
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 3: to do before The Runaways broke up. I had to

729
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 3: write six songs for a film, and so my manager

730
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 3: at the time, a guy named Toby Mamis, knew Kenny

731
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 3: and knew that he had worked with a lot of

732
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 3: bubblegums bands in the sixties and knew that he could

733
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 3: write songs quickly and should be easy to work with.

734
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 3: So he called him and said, would you come out

735
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 3: and meet Joan to do this project with her? And

736
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 3: so Kenny did and we met and hit it off

737
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 3: and really became good friends the first day. I don't

738
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 3: know what it was that he saw in me, but

739
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 3: he thought I was the real deal, I guess, And

740
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 3: we wrote some songs and then I said would you

741
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 3: produce these songs that we wrote together? And he did,

742
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 3: and then you know, as we continue, I didn't have

743
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 3: anybody to manage me, and so he had took that

744
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 3: on too, thinking it would be easy that he could

745
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 3: get me deals and all this and that. But no,

746
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 3: he started getting those. You know, he knows a lot

747
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 3: of people in the business, and people just told him no.

748
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 3: And then I think it got to him where, oh

749
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 3: my god, this is real, and then he got pissed

750
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 3: because then he saw this sort of you know, just

751
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 3: prejudice and misogyny, you know, straight out bullshit so I think,

752
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 3: you know, that fight lit that fire in him to

753
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 3: help fight for me.

754
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,280
Speaker 1: So it took about two years. First of all, whose

755
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 1: idea was it to recover or to redo?

756
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 2: I Love rock and Roll? I don't think many people

757
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:50,399
Speaker 2: know that that's a cover song.

758
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I saw that song when I was in

759
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 3: England with the Runaways and I saw this band on

760
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 3: top of the Pops, the Arrows, and they were playing

761
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 3: the B side to their hit, and the B side

762
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 3: to their hit was I Love rock and Roll. I

763
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 3: don't know what their hit was. The B side was

764
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 3: I Love rock and Roll. And I'm like, wow, that

765
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,399
Speaker 3: sounds like a hit to me. And I went out

766
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 3: to the record shop and bought the forty five, thinking,

767
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 3: you know, the Runaways, maybe we could do this and

768
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 3: it'll be a hit. But then I was reminded that

769
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 3: by the other girls that we had done We covered

770
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 3: Lou Reed's rock and Roll on the first album, on

771
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 3: our first Runaways album, and you know, I guess I

772
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 3: didn't want rock and roll and every title on every

773
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 3: album kind of so sort of blew it off for

774
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 3: a while and I just held on to the song,

775
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 3: and then after the Runaways thought here we.

776
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 2: Go see life lesson you gotta go with your gut.

777
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: Yep, that's the second time you learned that lesson.

778
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 2: So how different does life turn for you once that

779
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 2: song makes you pretty much a household name?

780
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 3: Well, just I think the the fame level rose, and

781
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 3: we had more people at our gigs and stuff and

782
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 3: made a little bit more money. Finally it could make

783
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 3: a little bit more money. So those things change a

784
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 3: little bit. But you know, for the most part.

785
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 1: But is that also a scarier feeling?

786
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 2: Because I think oftentimes when someone gets a success, the

787
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 2: first thing in their head is, Oh God, how am

788
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 2: I going to sustain this?

789
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: How am I going to make it last? What's the

790
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: next single?

791
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was part of that, but I wasn't like

792
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 3: so far up there that it was. You know, when

793
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 3: you're number one and you're I don't know, I guess

794
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 3: you know on one level you can't stay there forever,

795
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 3: and I guess you know, you know you have to

796
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 3: have your next one. I guess initially we knew what

797
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 3: that next one was going to be, which was Crimson

798
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 3: and Clothes, right, And what was.

799
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: It about that song that made you want to choose that?

800
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 1: Damn it? My my only question of the day. Okay,

801
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 1: it's a great you want to say it? What made

802
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: you want to cover? How change in the Shandals? Answer

803
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: the question, I turned a light on.

804
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 3: Good and when I when I you know, when I

805
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,720
Speaker 3: met Kenny and I knew that he played those songs,

806
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 3: and I'm like, so you played the money Mooney. He's

807
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 3: like yeah, and I'm like, okay, so I want to

808
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 3: cover Crimson Clover. I just thought, you know, it'd be

809
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 3: weird because I didn't want to change the lyrics, and

810
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 3: that was just the way I was. I wanted to,

811
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 3: you know, push the envelope a little bit because I

812
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 3: just wanted to.

813
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 1: The original recording. So so I guess psychedelic and so

814
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: what was you guys?

815
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 3: Just my reason for different, I mean because Tommy's Tommy's

816
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 3: like when they's I guess. Kenny told me when he

817
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 3: was asked what is it about? You know, it was

818
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 3: about LSD, you know, Glover, So it wasn't about really

819
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 3: her so specifically, So when people ask people what I'm

820
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 3: singing about, it's like, well, I mean, I guess I'm

821
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 3: singing it more literally, but not specifically at anybody. You know,

822
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 3: it's just being put out into the world is that

823
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 3: it's those sentiments, but it's not directed specifically at a person.

824
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 2: So at that particular point, coming into the early part

825
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 2: of the eighties and whatnot, are do you have a

826
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 2: peer group? Are there is there a trusted circle that

827
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 2: you can howl around with, like normally you know, birds

828
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 2: of a feather flock together as far as like people

829
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 2: liking each other's music whatnot?

830
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 1: Like was there a tight.

831
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 2: Knit community in the sort of the la rock community

832
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 2: by this point for you at least?

833
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: Or were you still like.

834
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 3: Oh, I was gone isolated out there. I was out

835
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 3: of there. But in seventy nine.

836
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: I came back to New York, Okay, into New York.

837
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: So even in New York, like for that is there

838
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: it was?

839
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,760
Speaker 3: I mean, no, I didn't hang out. I didn't really

840
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 3: you know.

841
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,879
Speaker 2: I was also going to say, like everyone was sort

842
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 2: of going new wave in New York and you're going

843
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 2: straight rock and roll, Like were you a fish out

844
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 2: of water?

845
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: And like were you sort of upholding.

846
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 2: A tradition that you felt would soon sort of take

847
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:33,919
Speaker 2: a back seat?

848
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know that I thought I had

849
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 3: that much. Could I planned it out or thought about

850
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 3: you know, what's the future of rock and roll? Or

851
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 3: a lot scentthier. You know that there was a lot

852
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 3: of sense music going on.

853
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, were you going to the Lower East

854
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 2: Side and in the early eighties to see groups like

855
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 2: Bad Brains or any like. Were you at all interested

856
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 2: in the movement that was happening in the Lower East

857
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 2: Side right?

858
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,280
Speaker 3: I was, Yes, I was interested, but I was working

859
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 3: too much to be I was on the road the

860
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 3: whole time. I don't even know if I was around

861
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 3: most of the time. I mean literally on the road

862
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:19,959
Speaker 3: all the time, pretty much in nineteen eighty five, pretty much,

863
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 3: I mean at least through November and then you know,

864
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 3: depending on what the tour was, we were always working

865
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 3: and then be off through January and then start working

866
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 3: again in February. It was pretty pretty brutal. And I

867
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 3: didn't realize that until the pandemic hit, okay, and then

868
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 3: nothing was happening, And then I realized how much of

869
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 3: my life I had been on the road constantly, and

870
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 3: all these other things we talked about about, you know,

871
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 3: feeling separate, you know, and being isolated. But I did,

872
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:58,720
Speaker 3: you know, I definitely have friends that I knew once,

873
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 3: you know, once I was settled in New York and

874
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 3: I had a routine and I still have that that

875
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 3: sort of core. Few I can count on my one

876
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 3: hand level of friends.

877
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's real life. Like, yeah, real people have

878
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: two to three people. Wait. I always wanted to know this.

879
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:27,359
Speaker 2: Okay, so from my from my point of view as

880
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 2: a record collector, all right, I'll explain to you Fonte,

881
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 2: Well you probably know already, but like for me, Boardwalk

882
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 2: Records is almost akin to like Malaco Records.

883
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 3: Oh wow, so.

884
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: Exactly what you mean that said?

885
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 2: I always wanted to know what was it about Boardwalk

886
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 2: Records that made you choose that as your label, because

887
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 2: I knew that sort of as kind of as as

888
00:47:55,440 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 2: a second tier label for acts that were pop.

889
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: It in the seventies for soul music.

890
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 2: I know that Ohio players wound up on Boardwalk Records

891
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 2: for like their eighties catalog.

892
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: I remember the Five Stare.

893
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 2: Steps morphed into Wow, the Invisible Man's Band, uh for

894
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 2: the eighties or whatnot.

895
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 3: Kenny would know so much about this because he, you know,

896
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 3: I think he knew Neil Bogart before we got oh wow, wow,

897
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 3: you know, so Kenny knew him pre pre Boardwalk.

898
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: I didn't know that Neil boat Guard started Boardwalk Records.

899
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 3: Yes, that Costa Blanco, Yeah right, and yeah, and he

900
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 3: just liked me and wanted he really liked me a

901
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 3: lot and wanted me to be able to put out

902
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 3: my record. So he said, you know, we'll put it

903
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 3: out and he and he did, and he died like

904
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 3: the week before when number one and never got to

905
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,359
Speaker 3: see if the number one, which really bums me out

906
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 3: because he was such he.

907
00:48:59,040 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: Died in eighty one.

908
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 3: But yeah, I.

909
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: Did not know that.

910
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 3: But yeah, he was a real believer and you know,

911
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 3: one of those guys that it always looked great. It

912
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 3: was all sharply dressed and just you know, believed in

913
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 3: me and believed in Kenny, I think more than anything.

914
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone that describes Neil Burgard describes it as like

915
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 2: the last true like one of the last creatives.

916
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: And that was a.

917
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 2: Suit at least, I mean, I know the suit's a suit,

918
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 2: but whatever.

919
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I don't know.

920
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:39,399
Speaker 2: For me though, I would say that, like you were

921
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 2: so ahead of your time, was it weird to sort

922
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 2: of have not a comebackup source but just to see

923
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 2: well no, no, no, I'm just saying that a lot of

924
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 2: these bands that started popping in the mid nineties late

925
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 2: nineties started name checking like Jones, Jen Black Cars like

926
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,800
Speaker 2: or even with your work with the Runaways, like for you,

927
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 2: did you not ever think that the day would come

928
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 2: on which you would see.

929
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 1: Kind of flowers the affects of.

930
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 2: Your people that like grew up on your music or

931
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 2: well especially like when the Riot girl uh with with

932
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,320
Speaker 2: Kathleen and yeah.

933
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, because they totally did tip their hat to me

934
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 3: and I and I knew it so because you know,

935
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 3: they told me so, and it was it was great.

936
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 3: It was great to see that. I mean, I always

937
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 3: knew that there, whether or not people admitted it, that

938
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 3: we'd have some influence you know, in life and too

939
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,879
Speaker 3: music and and that, and it's really nice to see

940
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 3: it confirmed and see people say it, you know, and

941
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 3: not just girl bands but some guys too, and that's

942
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 3: really nice.

943
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 2: So yeah, I was going to say plenty of times

944
00:50:56,200 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 2: where like Kirk has has name dropped you or you

945
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 2: know or I know that role that was definitely a

946
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 2: big fan.

947
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 1: I was there at night and at the Rock and

948
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:08,760
Speaker 1: Roll Hall of Fame when he want.

949
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 3: What a night?

950
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, So how did how did you know?

951
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,439
Speaker 2: Was that was that surprising to you when you got

952
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 2: the news or you know, I know oftentimes every every

953
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 2: person I know that gets inducted.

954
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: In the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has the

955
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: same sort of like.

956
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 2: Neilistic if it happens, it happens whatever, you know, that

957
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 2: sort of thing. But for you, was it when you

958
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 2: got the news of you getting in, like what was

959
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 2: the feeling behind it? No?

960
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,280
Speaker 3: I thought I was very happy, you know, of course

961
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 3: I thought, but I see, I'm used. I'm kind of

962
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,919
Speaker 3: used to not being up for awards my whole life.

963
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 3: It's not really been what my career has been about,

964
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 3: like nominated for a lot of different things, you know,

965
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 3: it's not what's happened. So just the fact that got

966
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 3: nominated I thought, was it was really nice? But I thought,

967
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know, I don't know if I'm

968
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 3: going to win this. But and I still believe this

969
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,760
Speaker 3: to my core that because christ said it on stage

970
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 3: that night that they had they felt they had no

971
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:18,240
Speaker 3: choice but to put me in. Then they forced their hand.

972
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,320
Speaker 3: So whether whether I would have really gotten in or

973
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,399
Speaker 3: whether it was that, I don't know.

974
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,879
Speaker 1: I'll say this much because you know, I'm I'm part

975
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: of that. I've been part of that.

976
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 2: Well you know, I call the recreation of the twelve

977
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 2: angry Men scene, but there's like thirty five of us

978
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 2: arguing back and forth. You know, your name has definitely

979
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 2: been at least for my first year there, which I

980
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 2: think was like twenty eleven, has constantly been like champion

981
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 2: and argued and and well that's well, you know, we

982
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 2: were joking about it's only a matter of time before

983
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 2: you do your classical record for your your soft album.

984
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 2: But you know, the latest album released is your acoustic work,

985
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 2: and you know, how did.

986
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: That feel for you? Like for you is it a

987
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: thing where you need a new challenge?

988
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 3: And no, it was really it was a way to

989
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,919
Speaker 3: just we wanted to give the fans something different. I'd

990
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 3: never looked because I had had such a weird relationship

991
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 3: with guys telling me my guitar teacher saying girls can't

992
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 3: play rock and roll. I always kept acoustic guitarists really

993
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 3: at range length. I never owned one. I never wanted

994
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 3: to own one until about you know, maybe ten years ago,

995
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 3: maybe a little.

996
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 2: Bit, but you mean ten years ago. You like finally

997
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:48,839
Speaker 2: like gave in was like all right, let me try

998
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:49,479
Speaker 2: acoustic guitar.

999
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 3: Let me just have it, because I can't always hear

1000
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 3: my electric guitar, you know, if you're trying to write

1001
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 3: a riff and you really need to hear something right,

1002
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 3: you know. So I just had it, but not a

1003
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,879
Speaker 3: good one. Little shitty wanted to be. Then a couple

1004
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 3: of years ago, we did a documentary called Bad Reputation.

1005
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:07,359
Speaker 1: Yes, it came out.

1006
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 3: It was all about my career and my life and stuff.

1007
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 3: And when we did the premiere, they wanted us in LA.

1008
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,320
Speaker 3: They wanted to see if we could perform a couple

1009
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 3: of the songs in the theater, and I knew we

1010
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 3: couldn't set up electric, and it suggested that maybe we

1011
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 3: tried some acousticsuff. So we did it, but with the

1012
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 3: whole band. So it was myself, my guitar player, acoustic bass,

1013
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:35,760
Speaker 3: and our drummer, and we you know, played Bad Reputation

1014
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 3: and a couple of the songs and it felt really good. Actually,

1015
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 3: it felt a lot better than I thought it was

1016
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:47,399
Speaker 3: gonna feel, and like you could transfer the energy. It's

1017
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 3: going to be different than electric, but it was still worked.

1018
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 3: So then last year twenty twenty one and twenty twenty

1019
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:59,280
Speaker 3: two is the fortieth anniversary of both Bad Reputation Album

1020
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 3: and I Love a Role Album because one came out.

1021
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:06,359
Speaker 3: They both came out in eighty one something like that.

1022
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 3: So we wanted to do some extra things for the

1023
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 3: fans and maybe record some acoustic stuff. So we thought, oh,

1024
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 3: we did that stuff for the premiere, let's go in

1025
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 3: the studio record a few songs. Once we got in

1026
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:23,240
Speaker 3: there and started playing songs, we really just did everything

1027
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 3: we could do live. We just once we started recording,

1028
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 3: we just kept going. And we didn't really plan on

1029
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 3: having an album's worth or two of material, but I

1030
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 3: just wound up there and thought, what the hell put

1031
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 3: it out?

1032
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,479
Speaker 1: Listen to that? How do you? How do you feel

1033
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 1: about it?

1034
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 3: Like your I feel good about it. I feel it's fun.

1035
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 3: It's different. We play some on stage, like we'll do

1036
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 3: our electric show and then come and then do instead

1037
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 3: of an encore, do like three or four acoustic songs

1038
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 3: that has been going over. Just started like a month

1039
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 3: ago and a half ago doing doing it, and see

1040
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 3: how we go over live, because you know, I don't know,

1041
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:12,359
Speaker 3: listen in front of people, so they seem to like it.

1042
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 3: So we'll see what happens, and we'll see what happens

1043
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 3: with the stadium tour. You know, we're gonna see if

1044
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 3: we can work some into that.

1045
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 4: And if it doesn't, what are those guys like now,

1046
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 4: like Mottley Crue And I don't know.

1047
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 3: We we played with def lepper before and okay, uh,

1048
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 3: but I've never played with Motley Cruz, so I don't know.

1049
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:35,800
Speaker 3: I have no idea what to expect, but it should

1050
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 3: be interesting.

1051
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 2: I learned this with Blue Oyster Call Deaf Lepperd's album

1052
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 2: covers were more scarier than def Lepperd was.

1053
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 1: The thing is like if Mutt Lane you know, Likett.

1054
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 2: Is too he's too Yeah, he's too polished in to

1055
00:56:54,960 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 2: really like I'm telling you people exactly if you listen

1056
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 2: to the love Bites whatever, like fucking harmonies like it's

1057
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 2: it's it's just more enhanced California harmonies to me, you

1058
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 2: know what I mean? And so I don't know. It's

1059
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 2: where I never truly saw. I mean, of course, you

1060
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 2: know they they create one anthem that will probably play

1061
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 2: in every gentleman's club.

1062
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: Now to the end of time.

1063
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 2: I just meant, you know, Sugar has has a kick

1064
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 2: ass rift to it, but I've never considered definitely.

1065
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 1: I mean I don't.

1066
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 2: I don't consider def lever metal the same way I

1067
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 2: don't consider the Police hard rock, you know what I mean?

1068
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 3: Well, people are loose with their terminology now, you know,

1069
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 3: don't you find? Well?

1070
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes you were just find yeah exactly right now?

1071
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 2: Like where with his storied career and is there is

1072
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 2: there anything that you have yet to achieve or yet

1073
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 2: to you accomplished that you.

1074
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm you know, I wouldn't know who who to

1075
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:13,959
Speaker 3: say specifically, but I'm always interested in doing newing different things.

1076
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 3: I just actually did something. Did I mention that with

1077
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 3: Trombone Shorty?

1078
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1079
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 3: So you know it's it's it's new for me. I'm

1080
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 3: not always great with that because I'm good with knowing,

1081
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 3: you know, and being comfortable and doing what I know

1082
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 3: and that kind of stuff. So I have to try

1083
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 3: to get better with, you know, just jumping into the

1084
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 3: unknown and not being so.

1085
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 1: Getting out of comfort zone.

1086
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but being okay with that and and being

1087
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 3: you know, you're gonna live, You're gonna be okay, don't worry.

1088
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think I'm ready for my R

1089
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 3: and B album now, let's go there.

1090
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 1: It is there, it is, let's go.

1091
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 2: But Joe, thank you very much, uh yeah, for for

1092
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 2: for joining us and and and doing this with us.

1093
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 1: And you know, we appreciate your work. I've been a

1094
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 1: longtime fan of yours.

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Speaker 3: Oh, thank you all. It's been a real pleasure, definitely

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Speaker 3: for sure.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Jon, you guys take care of.

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Speaker 2: Turn on Court Love Supreme. We will see you guys

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Speaker 2: on the next cover round, all right, Thank you.

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Speaker 3: M H.

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Speaker 1: West Lop. Supreme is a production of Iheartened Radio.

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Speaker 2: For more podcasts from iHeart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio app,

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Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.