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Speaker 1: The twelve team playoff has come out. Listen, Let's get
Speaker 1: the one thing out of the way. I think Bama
Speaker 1: is better than SMU, but Bama doesn't have an argument.
Speaker 1: I watched them get completely shelled against a Oklahoma team.
Speaker 1: It was two and six in conference with like a
Speaker 1: minus seventy nine point differential in conference. Oklahoma was a
Speaker 1: bad team and they got I mean literally an overrun
Speaker 1: by them. So I don't have any problem again, that
Speaker 1: regular season has to mean something. Yes, Bama's beaten more
Speaker 1: good teams. If BAMA got in, I wouldn't lose any
Speaker 1: sleep if SMU did not. But I felt the same
Speaker 1: way both ways. I would have taken probably Abama, but
Speaker 1: SMU after a really hard fought loss, kind of felt
Speaker 1: like the move. And I also think, listen, Bama's not
Speaker 1: consistent enough to be a national champion. SMU's not going
Speaker 1: to be a national champion. SMU may be a better story,
Speaker 1: It's better for the sport big picture. I don't think
Speaker 1: anybody on the heels of Alabama's you know, fifteen year
Speaker 1: dynasty is losing sleep because they don't get in.
Speaker 2: I don't disagree. But if I was part of the SEC,
Speaker 2: here's what I would say. College football I mean, based
Speaker 2: on the numbers, has never been more popular. Yeah, like
Speaker 2: more people consistently have never watched more and the SEC
Speaker 2: ratings have been insane. So we are carrying the popularity
Speaker 2: of this sport as a conference and have carried the
Speaker 2: sport really for a long time now, and we only
Speaker 2: get three teams in. That's where you can just see them,
Speaker 2: even if it is justified as it is in this situation.
Speaker 2: All these teams Ole Miss lost to Kentucky. If any
Speaker 2: of these SEC teams is ten and two, they are
Speaker 2: easily in over SMU. We all agree, yeah, but like
Speaker 2: we want guarantees. And this is where I think college
Speaker 2: football is gonna go. If, like, if I'm the big
Speaker 2: ten who like the SEC is carrying college football with
Speaker 2: the ratings, the ACC is simply not like I want
Speaker 2: to know, because getting into the playoffs is very financial
Speaker 2: viable for the conference, right right, That's the same thing
Speaker 2: with the NCAA tournament. And now we only get we
Speaker 2: only get one difference, like the difference of us in
Speaker 2: the SEC and the ACC is one team. That seems crazy.
Speaker 2: I watch an unhealthy amount of college football. The gap
Speaker 2: between the change is Grand Canyon wide. So even if
Speaker 2: you could justify it records and everything, that's a big
Speaker 2: picture problem for me. If I'm Greg Sank, yeah, I
Speaker 2: got it. We need some assurances. And this is where,
Speaker 2: like the NFL, you know, what do tiebreakers go? Conference record?
Speaker 2: It's impossible to do tiebreakers and everything in college football
Speaker 2: because the SEC goes my eight and four, what is
Speaker 2: that worth in the in the ACC? And I ten
Speaker 2: and two in the acc like by Big twelve. Arizona
Speaker 2: State's an incredible story. What would their record be if
Speaker 2: I put them playing LSU, Bama Ole Miss Arkansas?
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: So it's it's not apples d apples at all. And
Speaker 2: that's the hard part. I think we all agree on that,
Speaker 2: even if we go, yeah, SMU deserves it, but it's
Speaker 2: like it's a little out of whack. Now it's first year.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to complain that much. I don't feel
Speaker 2: that bad. And I think the committee wanted Alabama because
Speaker 2: I do think Alabama. The needle moves a little more
Speaker 2: when you got Alabama playing because whose SMU is playing?
Speaker 2: Penn State? Alabama? Penn State is just a better television product,
Speaker 2: isn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So here's the one that really cracked me up.
Speaker 1: So the regular season. The committee said, the regular season matters.
Speaker 1: We're not going to give Bama three losses, two of
Speaker 1: which are Mulligan's Vandy in Oklahoma. But yet in Oregon
Speaker 1: has the most impressive regular season and arguably the most
Speaker 1: impressive championship game performance. George is up there as well.
Speaker 1: They get the winner of the Tennessee Ohio State game,
Speaker 1: which is a team capable of winning the national championship,
Speaker 1: then they could face Texas than Georgia. How did Penn
Speaker 1: State get an easier route? They lost at home to
Speaker 1: Ohio State and got hammered by Oregon. I think they
Speaker 1: have now they play another game. I think they have
Speaker 1: a much easier route than Oregon. I thought Oregon kind
Speaker 1: of got hosed.
Speaker 2: Yeah to me, them copying the basketball bracket where you're
Speaker 2: forced to play team instead of the NFL bracket where
Speaker 2: you receive by the round. Yeah, me, you gotta change
Speaker 2: football wise, receps d Yes, because Oregon has the only
Speaker 2: undefeated team. Clearly, if you just watch.
Speaker 1: The best and the second best conference.
Speaker 2: And they get stuck with Ohio State Tennessee, that seems
Speaker 2: pretty outrageous. I thought so, because if they could pick
Speaker 2: the opponents, I think there's a decent chance that Ohio
Speaker 2: State would be the last opponent they would want to play. Yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe Notre Dame. Second Tennessee would be high up there too,
Speaker 2: like the SMU's the Clemsons. You gotta receid. Now, this
Speaker 2: is where I'm not going to freak out.
Speaker 1: Year one name.
Speaker 2: You gotta figure it out. But you cannot keep this.
Speaker 2: How can Boise and ASU potentially get easier opponents than Oregon.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean that's Penn State.
Speaker 2: Now. I think they would say Oregon's gonna play the
Speaker 2: Rose Bowl, like that's where their game is gonna be.
Speaker 2: I think in the like their home game, so that
Speaker 2: you know it's kind of regionality. But playing Ohio State potentially,
Speaker 2: that's that's pretty different.
Speaker 1: And Ohio State will fill half that stadium. I mean
Speaker 1: Penn State gets SMU and Boise State, I mean potentially,
Speaker 1: it's like Jesus, they the biggest game of the year
Speaker 1: at home. They lost to Ohio State, and I mean
Speaker 1: they they they got pushed around. I mean they could
Speaker 1: not stop Oregon. I just thought Penn State and I
Speaker 1: understand punishing. If you flip Penn State and Ohio State
Speaker 1: in the playoff, I'd be I think it's it's more
Speaker 1: fair now Ohio State. Again, the Michigan loss was not
Speaker 1: only bad, not only at home, but it made you
Speaker 1: question the entire program. Like when when Penn State lost
Speaker 1: to Ohio State, you didn't question the program. You're like, well,
Speaker 1: Ohio State's better that that that Michigan. I mean, listen,
Speaker 1: if you want to ask yourself who who's getting punished.
Speaker 1: It's Ohio State. I think Tennessee is the sleeper national championship.
Speaker 1: Picking this thing.
Speaker 2: I was. I thought Herbstree had a good point during
Speaker 2: the show when they released the bracket of you know,
Speaker 2: Ohio State, maybe would rather go on the road because
Speaker 2: a couple early three and outs, maybe you're down seven
Speaker 2: to than ten. Nothing that place will turn on your
Speaker 2: fast because that group's edgy. That group's already pissed off,
Speaker 2: like in a weird way at ten and two. Hosting
Speaker 2: a playoff game is a major disappointment, you know, watching
Speaker 2: that game last night, I thought it was so insane
Speaker 2: that Clemson is now in the playoffs and Miami's just
Speaker 2: long gone, even though it all season. Miami it was
Speaker 2: like a top five or six team. And then Penn State.
Speaker 2: By takeaway with Penn State, Oregon's tough, and that's their
Speaker 2: skill group is better top to bottom. I think Penn
Speaker 2: State has their front seven full NFL guys. Yes, best
Speaker 2: tight end in the country. They have a one to
Speaker 2: two running back combination. Quarterback a little all over the map,
Speaker 2: but he is extremely talented. And you saw a couple
Speaker 2: of passes. Yeah, whoa, that's a top ten pick, and
Speaker 2: then you saw a couple other passes, You're like, that's
Speaker 2: a sixth rounder. But you never really know what you're
Speaker 2: gonna get with them. But they have a lot of
Speaker 2: talent on their team. Like to me, if the quarterback
Speaker 2: has a B plus a minus game, if they could
Speaker 2: play with most anyone in this in this tournament, I'm
Speaker 2: with you on Tennessee. Their defensive line is really good. Yes,
Speaker 2: And what's Ohio State's problem right now? Well, if they're offensive,
Speaker 2: they's had a guy Terry Achilles. They missing audit here.
Speaker 2: That could be a rough I'm telling you that place
Speaker 2: could start boosting. It's like ten nothing in the second cord.
Speaker 1: The weather forecast for this weekend in Columbus is forty degrees.
Speaker 1: And what it's not playing to a finesse down the
Speaker 1: field team, So Will Howard, who's been hot and cold
Speaker 1: in big games. It's forty degrees. The pressure's on. You'll
Speaker 1: be favored and Tennessee d line and Ohio State online.
Speaker 1: If you're forced to run the ball against Tennessee that's
Speaker 1: got a seventeen thirteen field to it, that's not gonna
Speaker 1: be a high scoring game in my opinion.
Speaker 2: One thing that's going to be you know, for the
Speaker 2: most part, in college you get a couple and you
Speaker 2: hammered this home when they went. When the West Coast
Speaker 2: team's got in the big ten. There aren't as many
Speaker 2: cold weather games as you think. In the NFL there are.
Speaker 2: Why they play all December through January. Yeah, college football
Speaker 2: usually ends home games the last week in November and
Speaker 2: then they go to warm weather bowls.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: So's that's where this changed because they don't. They're they're
Speaker 2: playing in two weeks, right, and it's Friday night, Saturday
Speaker 2: Night at South Bend and at Ohio State, which makes sense.
Speaker 2: I mean, two of the biggest brands. Those gonna get
Speaker 2: huge ratings. Plus the NFL plays Saturday, so it gets
Speaker 2: a little loss in the shuffle, you know, like Texas. Uh,
Speaker 2: the Texas game and the Penn State game are going
Speaker 2: up against like Raven Steelers, so you know, but those
Speaker 2: two night games are gonna be by themselves. It could
Speaker 2: be really cold, yep. I mean it's so it's gonna
Speaker 2: have one thing with playoff football, even with the best teams,
Speaker 2: it's usually not thirty five to thirty scores, right, It's
Speaker 2: usually lower scoring. You can't you can't feel your hands.
Speaker 2: I mean, you could have a game in two weeks
Speaker 2: at Ohio State with it. Couldn't it be twenty seven
Speaker 2: degrees or Notre Dame. It could be freezing cold.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk Clemson at Texas. I really like Texas
Speaker 1: in that spot, but I'm watching that game against Georgia.
Speaker 1: Georgia gets their quarterback knocked out and suddenly forced to run.
Speaker 1: In the second half. They found their run gig there
Speaker 1: was when they went to overtime and the Texas series
Speaker 1: they do they throw the ball out of the end zone,
Speaker 1: then they do a fade pattern and then they throw
Speaker 1: it out in the flat against you know, Georgia's linebackers
Speaker 1: and corners or NFL guy. I mean, Georgia's got a
Speaker 1: first round safety, a first round corner, first round defensive end.
Speaker 1: It's like, you're not going to beat in the flat.
Speaker 1: You're not going to be Georgia. For the last eight years,
Speaker 1: I thought for an offensive coach, sark I hated the
Speaker 1: overtime Texas play calling. I thought it was awful.
Speaker 2: Listen, I've been one of his biggest critics. I will
Speaker 2: defend him. I don't think he trusts his quarterback at all.
Speaker 2: And I don't blame him because I don't think he's
Speaker 2: very good in that game when actually he wasn't playing
Speaker 2: that bad and Georgia was a little show shocked. Instead
Speaker 2: of being up seventeen to three, it's six to three.
Speaker 2: And then as the game went on, I thought, yours
Speaker 2: became much more to who he's kind of become this season.
Speaker 2: Is very very averaged. Yes, and he's just not an
Speaker 2: explosive player. He's not a good playmaker.
Speaker 1: Is a former scout, You're nailing it when I watch him.
Speaker 1: He's not an explosive player.
Speaker 2: No, he's just he's not a playmaker. Like you watched
Speaker 2: one thing Bryce Young his comeback story. He's starting to
Speaker 2: make play. Yes, right, most decent quarterbacks can make throw
Speaker 2: a slant route or an out route from the pocket.
Speaker 2: But half the plays you're gonna have to scramble, you're
Speaker 2: gonna have to move, you're gonna have to throw in
Speaker 2: the run, you might have to break a tackle, and
Speaker 2: you watch quinn Ewers. He cannot do any of that.
Speaker 2: So as the game goes on, what does George do?
Speaker 2: The guests are getting pressure on him, he starts getting sacked.
Speaker 2: He's not a very dynamic guy. Carson Beck like one thing,
Speaker 2: when the other guy, Gunner Stocked and what a credible
Speaker 2: name by the way, comes in. He is so mobile
Speaker 2: that he can just keep plays alive. They don't have that.
Speaker 2: Texas does have that with Archie Manning. Now. I don't
Speaker 2: know if Sark believes he's as good of a passer
Speaker 2: right now as Quinn yours. Clearly by not playing him,
Speaker 2: you've already paid Quinn the nil. But I think they
Speaker 2: have no shot to win the National championship with him
Speaker 2: at quarterback. You remove him if every team just has
Speaker 2: the same quarterback, like whatever, every if you put all
Speaker 2: twelve teams equal quarterback, Texas has as good of a
Speaker 2: chance to win the National Championship as anybody. You watch
Speaker 2: Oregon last night, That little quarterback look like Tua did
Speaker 2: at Alabama. I mean, some of the throws he was making.
Speaker 2: It's like this guy is playing quarterback in college better
Speaker 2: than all these guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think, And that's.
Speaker 2: A huge advantage. Obviously. Oregon has really good skill guys,
Speaker 2: better than Georgia. You watch Bowers, I mean he's making
Speaker 2: they missed Bowers and mconkey but still Dylan Gabriel right
Speaker 2: now is playing the best at quarterback for all these teams,
Speaker 2: even though Georgia Texas like they have a bunch of talent,
Speaker 2: but their quarterback plays shitty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's it's really interesting. When I watched Georgia,
Speaker 1: they have an incredible defensive lineman Mikale Williams. They have
Speaker 1: a great safety. When I watched Georgia, I mean they're
Speaker 1: running backs last night. They're bringing in second, third, fourth,
Speaker 1: they are running that second half. It was violent. They
Speaker 1: are running over guys.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: With Texas, I know they have a bunch of good players,
Speaker 1: and Kelvin Banks, who got hurt, is a really really
Speaker 1: good tackle. But it's funny. When I watched Michigan win
Speaker 1: the Natty last year, they had Will Johnson at corner,
Speaker 1: Mason Graham, Blake Korham, JJ McCarthy. They had about six
Speaker 1: players that even in a game against Ohio State, You're like, wow,
Speaker 1: those are great players. Georgia's national championship teams, it can
Speaker 1: be Pickens, Rock Bowers, Lad McConkey, it can be one
Speaker 1: of you know, Jalen Carter, Jalen CarKey. Yeah, in Bama,
Speaker 1: Ohio State has four or five guys like that many
Speaker 1: receiver the Caleb Downs for Oil State, the kid they
Speaker 1: got from Bama. He'll be the number one pick next year.
Speaker 1: He's an insane generational talent. When I watched Texas, this
Speaker 1: is weird, John. They got a bunch of good players.
Speaker 1: But I watched that offense and I'm like, they have
Speaker 1: good backs, they have good receivers. I don't see a
Speaker 1: lot of wow. And I know it's a really good roster.
Speaker 1: But if you look at National championship teams Michigan last year,
Speaker 1: Georgia teams, you know, when Clemson was winning, you'd have
Speaker 1: like a Mike Williams, you'd have a Trevor Lawrence, you'd
Speaker 1: have a linebacker that you're like, oh, okay, that's different.
Speaker 1: Even in the game against Bama, that players different. Atm
Speaker 1: the running back for Clemson. You know, Yeah, I look
Speaker 1: at Texas and I know this sounds crazy because their
Speaker 1: recruiting has been great, but I just don't see enough wow.
Speaker 1: I see very good everywhere. But they couldn't score against
Speaker 1: Texas A and M. They can't move the ball against
Speaker 1: George in the first half. That's with Sark and an
Speaker 1: NFL quarterback and the best left tackle in the sport.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they should be able to run the ball better.
Speaker 2: Number twenty six. I mean he should average like one
Speaker 2: hundred yards a game. I mean that's one element. I
Speaker 2: mean I think sometimes the depth this gets back to
Speaker 2: these top teams are not ten deep, Like they don't
Speaker 2: go you know, back to back. Their backup offensive line
Speaker 2: are not future pros. And that's where I think when
Speaker 2: you look at these former teams, Clemson in their heyday
Speaker 2: and the late teams beating Alabama, they were going too
Speaker 2: deep with pros getting drafted. Yes, Saban's team forever the
Speaker 2: last of Kirby, like this version of Kirby's teams relative
Speaker 2: to the back that don't even have anything in common, right.
Speaker 2: I think Michigan's team last year would easily win the
Speaker 2: National Championship again.
Speaker 1: The easily even Washington last year that lost in the Natty.
Speaker 1: I mean you were looking at Roma Dunze, Michael Pennix,
Speaker 1: their receiving corps, up and down, the receiver they had,
Speaker 1: they had a right tackle and an interior offensive lineman.
Speaker 1: You were like, you could just tell this is like
Speaker 1: eight really good players.
Speaker 2: Team was real. And I think is that a little bit.
Speaker 2: Why you know, at first I thought Belichick was just
Speaker 2: interviewing with North Carolina to just you know, it's like
Speaker 2: the guy who's trying to impress the girl and brings
Speaker 2: a girl another girl of the party to get people
Speaker 2: to notice them. You just want to show NFL teams
Speaker 2: like hey, I'm talking to people. And then you start
Speaker 2: reading like what if he realizes it actually might be
Speaker 2: a little easier in college because the parody is there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it's not like I'm not a huge disadvantage most
Speaker 2: of the time. And you watch in college football, like,
Speaker 2: like you said, Tennessee is a good value, you could
Speaker 2: say Notre Dame. If the quarterback just said all these teams,
Speaker 2: would it shock you, like infery Oregon is the best team.
Speaker 2: But then you look at the bracket. How hard it's
Speaker 2: gonna be? Like I don't take Boise and ASU seriously.
Speaker 2: I expect both of them to get knocked out. But
Speaker 2: I would say, if all the the SEC and the
Speaker 2: big tent like Indiana, there'll be one and done. But
Speaker 2: I think, you know, Georgia could win.
Speaker 1: Any game, could lose anything. Same.
Speaker 2: Texas could easily be like I could see them look
Speaker 2: like shit Yeah, who knows. I mean, I think it's
Speaker 2: all on the table, which makes this tournament pretty intriguing.
Speaker 2: Maybe the transfer portal in the NIL spreading out makes
Speaker 2: the twelve team brack even that much more intriguing because
Speaker 2: back in the day, you put a Pete Carroll USC
Speaker 2: a Nick Saban their heyday, they would kick the shit
Speaker 2: out all these teams.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wouldn't even be fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I think that's the benefit of the transfer portal
Speaker 1: is that nobody has depth, even the top teams. Just
Speaker 1: you lose a left tackle at Ohio State, then you
Speaker 1: move a guard to left tackle. Then your interior alignment
Speaker 1: gets hurt, you get weak, you get you have a
Speaker 1: unit that has a liability very quickly in college football.
Speaker 2: Now do you think I haven't heard your take on
Speaker 2: the Belichick North Carolina? Well, do you think that's more
Speaker 2: just trying to prove or do you think there's some
Speaker 2: real substance behind that.
Speaker 1: I think he wants to get his son the job,
Speaker 1: his son's at Washington. I think he wants to get
Speaker 1: his son a head coaching job. And I think Bill
Speaker 1: is so big on the East Coast. People out west
Speaker 1: don't care, but people out east do I don't think
Speaker 1: he would have to have an incredibly young collegiate staff,
Speaker 1: which I'm not sure he has the patience for. I
Speaker 1: just don't know if he has the patience. You know,
Speaker 1: Bill was always the grinder. It was always sacrificed for
Speaker 1: the team. Shit, kids aren't sacrificing now, they'll bounce in
Speaker 1: a second. Now do I think schematically I mean, Charlie
Speaker 1: Weiss was schematically excellent. He just couldn't recruit. He just
Speaker 1: didn't want to get out there. Bill's not gonna you know,
Speaker 1: Bill will do some private jet stuff, but Bill's not
Speaker 1: going to be on the road. He views himself as
Speaker 1: he should, as a different level. I don't Andy Reid
Speaker 1: again as a funnier guy, a more social guy. I
Speaker 1: don't think he'd want to be on the road recruiting.
Speaker 2: Did you see Albert Berr's report about how many homes
Speaker 2: Deon Sanders has been in the last eighteen months?
Speaker 1: Huh?
Speaker 2: Zero? Because in this day and age, they used to
Speaker 2: have rules, Like when I worked at Fresno State, only
Speaker 2: like six or seven of your guys were eligible to
Speaker 2: go recruit and go into someone's home. Now there are
Speaker 2: no rules. Anyone you could hire a recruiting staff, you know,
Speaker 2: former players that just go recruit you. You don't have
Speaker 2: to go into homes anymore. And it makes sense like
Speaker 2: when I saw the technically had like an early recruiting
Speaker 2: signing day a couple of days ago, right, and some
Speaker 2: of these kids were saying, like, you know this guy
Speaker 2: just recruited me. No, you got paid the most money.
Speaker 2: It's the game has completely changed. And maybe Bill who
Speaker 2: views it much more from a strategic business mindset of like, hey,
Speaker 2: if you give me ten plus million in nil funds,
Speaker 2: I feel I have a pretty good idea. I can
Speaker 2: bring a couple of my guys from the NFL to
Speaker 2: figure out how to allocate this pie. I'll pick the players.
Speaker 2: And maybe he've used it much more cause it is
Speaker 2: it has much more of an NFL feel now. The
Speaker 2: difference is like when I sign you to a three
Speaker 2: year deal, you're under contract, right. You know in college,
Speaker 2: these guys, as someone texts me around college, he's like,
Speaker 2: if you've noticed some of these random teams and I didn't.
Speaker 2: Did a kid just won't play the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: You know, on a team that's like gonna be six
Speaker 2: and six, they'll just be sick. Yeah, well they're transferring. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and they'll just go to the coach on Wednesday or
Speaker 2: Thursday of like week eleven when the team's not going anywhere,
Speaker 2: and like, coach, I just don't feel great. I'm out.
Speaker 2: And that's happening all over the Yeah before, I mean,
Speaker 2: that guy would just keep playing. I said this before
Speaker 2: about like Kyle McCord transferring in the history of the sport,
Speaker 2: Kyle McCord just would have been Ohio State's quarterback again.
Speaker 2: And what if he just would have taken the next
Speaker 2: step and all of a sudden, Ohio State was twelve
Speaker 2: and zero in the number one seed. But instead they
Speaker 2: kick him out. Everyone's so quick to move. We're in
Speaker 2: the NFL. Sometimes you just have to keep a guy
Speaker 2: because you drafted him high and get he improves. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and now in college, you know, coaches and players are
Speaker 2: just so quick to like point the finger at the
Speaker 2: other guy and bounce or basically cut him. And it
Speaker 2: reflects when you watch these teams, because listen, the games
Speaker 2: are still fun, but you can feel that these teams
Speaker 2: aren't as good, the high end teams as they Oh no, no,
Speaker 2: I mean I don't even think like Is this the
Speaker 2: best Oregon team in the last fifteen years.
Speaker 1: I don't think so.
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: No. I mean the other thing is players in college
Speaker 1: are leaving now, and it's not that they're not productive.
Speaker 1: USC just lost the kid Sam Green. He was playing
Speaker 1: a ton. I think he was a red and shirt
Speaker 1: freshman or a freshman. He was playing a ton. Somebody
Speaker 1: offered him more money. Bottom line, somebody played USC and went,
Speaker 1: you know, it could be a Penn State the kids
Speaker 1: from that part of the country. So kids aren't even
Speaker 1: disgruntled they're leaving. You're getting cherry picks. Penn State could go, hey,
Speaker 1: we're losing, like all of our we're losing four really
Speaker 1: good guys up front. That's Sam Green kid we lost
Speaker 1: out to USC. Let's just go buy him. So a
Speaker 1: guy doesn't even have to be disgruntled. It's it's can
Speaker 1: you imagine in the NFL if you didn't have contracts
Speaker 1: and you're like, let's just make a bid on you know,
Speaker 1: a great left tackle.
Speaker 2: You know one thing, I was talking to a buddy
Speaker 2: that said that the top end of this draft is
Speaker 2: not very good. It's not And I said, isn't that
Speaker 2: a back to back a couple of years now where
Speaker 2: it's just it doesn't feel loaded with guys. Are we concerned,
Speaker 2: like do we have any theories? And I started thinking,
Speaker 2: I wonder if guys now bouncing left and right, you
Speaker 2: don't develop as you used to just being in a
Speaker 2: program for three or four years, consistent practice, consistent training. Well,
Speaker 2: now guys are just mercenaries on the move.
Speaker 1: The other thing is more guys are playing baseball. Moms
Speaker 1: don't want their kids to play football. Now, it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter in the South or Texas, from maybe Pennsylvania, but
Speaker 1: there is lower high school football turnout and a lot
Speaker 1: of these great athletes are looking at these baseball contracts
Speaker 1: and going you guys get ten year baseball contracts. So
Speaker 1: I think it's the mom You know, moms are like, hey,
Speaker 1: I don't want my son playing football. And I'm not
Speaker 1: picking on moms that that's just been discussed, right, Like
Speaker 1: that's been What is.
Speaker 2: The O line D line doing that? You know, are
Speaker 2: six foot six, three hundred pound guys playing baseball? Well,
Speaker 2: I still think they just don't exist. I still think
Speaker 2: there's a lot of good football players. And again, for sure,
Speaker 2: I think high school football turnout has decreased. And by
Speaker 2: the way, the NFL smartly ten years ago. I talked
Speaker 2: about this on my show Targeted Moms and their Ants.
Speaker 2: About ten years ago, the NFL was around that CTE stuff.
Speaker 2: Those remember when that was getting the big payoffs for CTE.
Speaker 2: The NFL pivoted and said, hey, we have to make
Speaker 2: sure that both parents are into football. And by the
Speaker 2: way it has worked, it is remarkable the number of
Speaker 2: women who love football. It's half the league's fans. It's
Speaker 2: like fifty to fifty last time I looked. So this
Speaker 2: has been a point, a real distinction. The NFL has
Speaker 2: tried to own the household, you know, not just dad
Speaker 2: and dad loves No, that's not what it is anymore.
Speaker 1: They want everybody. And I think that's part of it.
Speaker 1: And the other thing is to your point, I think
Speaker 1: players aren't as developed. I think, listen, it's like anything else.
Speaker 1: If you're bouncing around for money and not management, you're
Speaker 1: never going to be quite as good. I don't care
Speaker 1: if it's an AI or tech or football. If you
Speaker 1: had four bosses in six years, I mean one of
Speaker 1: the real look at you at our company. You just
Speaker 1: keep developing, getting bigger and bigger part of it is
Speaker 1: the salespeople know John. It takes a year or two
Speaker 1: for the salespeople to get aligned and we know you
Speaker 1: and then we can build your YouTube page. Everything takes growth.
Speaker 1: You know, My first couple of years at iHeartRadio weren't
Speaker 1: as good as the last four. Every it's it's it's
Speaker 1: a hierarchy you have to build. It's a staff you
Speaker 1: have to build. So to your point, when some of
Speaker 1: these players are bouncing around a lot of times, they
Speaker 1: get the money and they get a worse coach, they
Speaker 1: get a worst position coach.
Speaker 2: It's Brady's point that he hammers non stop, like going
Speaker 2: through some challenges in college is a healthy thing, Like
Speaker 2: you learn a lot about yourself and improve because in
Speaker 2: the NFL it's really hard. Yeah, so it's easy to
Speaker 2: get in the tank. Ye look at Bryce Young, who
Speaker 2: I would have bet against falling off a cliff. He
Speaker 2: was mentally prepared for the challenges. Why he had spent
Speaker 2: three years next to Nick Yep, you know, and who
Speaker 2: knows you know back at you know in this modern
Speaker 2: day to uh you know Jalen. I know Jalen transferred
Speaker 2: at the end to Oklahoma, but he was there for
Speaker 2: a couple of years. Essentially, it's the backup going back
Speaker 2: and forth that had to benefit all those guys.
Speaker 1: Yep, no question about it, all right. John Middelkoff, former
Speaker 1: NFL Scout three and Out podcast on a act weekend.
Speaker 1: Good stuff, Thanks buddy.
Speaker 2: Talk to you soon, Colin.
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