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Speaker 4: I saw an article in New York Times about the
Speaker 4: Final Dead shows happening in San Francisco over the weekend.
Speaker 4: They played Friday, Saturday, Sunday night final shows of their tour.
Speaker 4: They said there's chances they'll get back together again for
Speaker 4: a benefit or something, but they're never going to tour again,
Speaker 4: they claim. I don't think they probably actually are. They've
Speaker 4: made that claim many times over the years. They're very old. Yeah,
Speaker 4: Bubbweer's like Joe Biden old and I noticed him well
Speaker 4: he was as an adult during the Summer of Love
Speaker 4: in nineteen sixty seven. Yeah, that's one of the things
Speaker 4: I want to bring up with this phenomenon. So, speaking
Speaker 4: of it being a phenomenon, one of the reasons I
Speaker 4: went was, it's a phenomenon. I haven't been to a
Speaker 4: concert in I think fifteen years, so it had been
Speaker 4: a long time. So I'd been to a concert and
Speaker 4: Dead and Company was coming to the area. It's sixty
Speaker 4: miles from my house, and I kind of thought about
Speaker 4: it a couple of times. Then I looked at prices.
Speaker 4: They're too high. Anyway, I finally decided, you know what,
Speaker 4: I'm going to do it. So I bought a ticket
Speaker 4: two hours before, three hours before the show started, hopped
Speaker 4: on my motorcycle, rode into San Francisco to the baseball line,
Speaker 4: and and didn't even pay a ton for it. Luckily,
Speaker 4: I think people started to panic. Some of the people
Speaker 4: that had put I'll say you one for eight thousand
Speaker 4: dollars for starting to panic if they had some left,
Speaker 4: so it didn't get a bad price. Anyway, I was
Speaker 4: trying to figure out while I was sitting there in
Speaker 4: the concert, I was trying to figure out, what is
Speaker 4: the phenomenon of the whole grateful Dead thing.
Speaker 2: You mentioned. They've been doing this for.
Speaker 4: Fifty five years, fifty seven years something like that, with
Speaker 4: only a couple of exceptions. Every song they play is
Speaker 4: fifty plus years old. They haven't created, they haven't created
Speaker 4: anything new and forever, and the crowd and the place,
Speaker 4: I don't know if it was sold out, but I
Speaker 4: didn't see any empty seats up in the stands.
Speaker 2: The crowd varied.
Speaker 4: There were lots of twenty somethings, there were lots of
Speaker 4: thirty somethings, forty something, fifty something, sixty something, seventy somethings,
Speaker 4: every age group there, and.
Speaker 2: I don't know what they created or why.
Speaker 4: I just I was just looking around, trying to take
Speaker 4: it all in, trying to figure out what what happened here?
Speaker 2: Why has nobody else ever been able to do this.
Speaker 2: I remember when we were in Charlotte.
Speaker 4: North Carolina, the Grateful Dead came through in the mid nineties,
Speaker 4: and I didn't know anything about the Grateful Dead. I've
Speaker 4: never really been into the Grateful Dead. They came through town,
Speaker 4: and I didn't go to the concert. I was at
Speaker 4: a party that night at a house, and a number
Speaker 4: of people had been to the Dead concert and they
Speaker 4: This is pre internet, So in the Internet era, obviously
Speaker 4: you can go online and check what the set list
Speaker 4: is for every concert and they would be posted as
Speaker 4: soon as the.
Speaker 2: Concert is over.
Speaker 4: But this is before the internet, so these guys would
Speaker 4: run home and some of them took scraps of paper
Speaker 4: and pens with them. Some of them are just using
Speaker 4: their knowledge and they're sitting there at the kitchen table
Speaker 4: at this party saying, okay, so what did they play
Speaker 4: first set?
Speaker 2: Well, they opened with this, open with that.
Speaker 4: They writing it all down, They kept the log of
Speaker 4: all the concerts they'd seen in the set list in
Speaker 4: a way.
Speaker 2: That just I don't think happens that often with bands.
Speaker 4: Part of it is they don't play that many songs
Speaker 4: because each song is thirteen to fifteen minutes long. So
Speaker 4: you play like four songs, take a break, play four
Speaker 4: more songs, and your three hours are up.
Speaker 2: That's one weird aspect of the whole thing.
Speaker 4: The other thing is they don't come out and say
Speaker 4: a word, and never have, according to the New York Times,
Speaker 4: they don't say, hey, Atlanta, good to be here.
Speaker 2: There is one from the new while, you know, thanks
Speaker 2: for coming, or nothing. They don't see it.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: They wander out and start playing.
Speaker 4: The wonder if start playing, and when they're done, they
Speaker 4: walk off and that's it.
Speaker 2: And and from the beginning.
Speaker 4: Another interesting thing is they've always encouraged people recording it
Speaker 4: and posting live recordings, and they got gazillions alive albums
Speaker 4: and just well, do you tell me what is different
Speaker 4: about that band that allowed them to tour for fifty
Speaker 4: some years. I was just looking up still one of
Speaker 4: the top grossing concert tours out there.
Speaker 2: They didn't play that many shows, but they're making.
Speaker 4: Gazillions of dollars, Yeah, in ticket sales and T shirt sales.
Speaker 2: And everything like that.
Speaker 4: Oh and one more thing before I let you you
Speaker 4: answer the question, because you know more about it than
Speaker 4: I do. So they walk out, they start playing, and
Speaker 4: it's got a drum beat to it that I don't
Speaker 4: quite recognize off the top of my head, because all
Speaker 4: the songs kind of have a similar drum beat and
Speaker 4: a similar thing, and everybody's twirling. All the girls are
Speaker 4: twirling and thing, and then everybody's danced everything like that.
Speaker 4: Not a single person in that stadium that I saw
Speaker 4: sat for one second three and a half hours. I've
Speaker 4: never been to a concert like that. I've been to
Speaker 4: plenty of concerts with people stand for the big hits,
Speaker 4: then sit back down for a slow song or whatever.
Speaker 4: Not a person I was expecting to get to sit
Speaker 4: for a while. None of that happened. So they do
Speaker 4: the drum beat, drumbeat, and they opened with the Buddy
Speaker 4: Holly song that they do.
Speaker 2: Regularly, probably not fade away. Yeah yeah, And so.
Speaker 4: Then the drum, the drum stop, and then the whole
Speaker 4: crowd in Unison.
Speaker 2: Says I'm gonna tell you what I'm.
Speaker 4: Gonna do it, and then everybody saying every word to
Speaker 4: every song for three and a half hours, never said down.
Speaker 4: I've never seen anything like that. Why is that? You
Speaker 4: tell me why that is?
Speaker 3: I'm sure there are multiple books written to address that
Speaker 3: very question, and they are book length, as books often are.
Speaker 3: I would say, I mean number one. At the beginning,
Speaker 3: they were just a whale of a band. I mean,
Speaker 3: just a terrific band that was incredible. Well, you know,
Speaker 3: there's a couple of sayings among musicians ragged but right
Speaker 3: or loose but tight. They had a combination of being
Speaker 3: extremely good and extremely loose and improvisational and and really
Speaker 3: fun music to listen to if you're stoned. Plus, they
Speaker 3: have a weird like hippie community thing going like, we're
Speaker 3: all here, we're all friends, nobody's gonna get ugly, it's
Speaker 3: gonna be great. Everybody's gonna enjoy themselves, nobody's gonna judge
Speaker 3: anybody else. We're gonna listen to the jams and have
Speaker 3: a great time, you know there, And there are actually
Speaker 3: other bands that have it, you just don't hear about
Speaker 3: it as much. Fish has an enormous following that's very grateful, deadlike,
Speaker 3: and there are a couple others Dave Matthew's band.
Speaker 4: Surely, but not on that scale for that long without
Speaker 4: ever putting any nose.
Speaker 2: Well, no, no, that's what's just like you.
Speaker 4: And how do you grow new fans in their twenties
Speaker 4: with fifty five year old songs?
Speaker 2: I mean it's I don't know, well, part.
Speaker 3: Of it's that the songs hold up pretty well and
Speaker 3: it's a jam. Part of it's just there's an attraction
Speaker 3: to being part of that that draws young people. The
Speaker 3: whole i'm a hippie thing is hot amongst your your
Speaker 3: twenty somethings, at least in some quarters.
Speaker 2: Oregon for instance, right, oh yeah.
Speaker 4: The people sitting next to me were from Oregon and
Speaker 4: they were going to all three shows. Everybody around me
Speaker 4: was going to all three shows. I was the only
Speaker 4: one that was just going to the one show. And
Speaker 4: it was a mom and dad roughly my age, with
Speaker 4: their high school kids. They brought all their kids, and
Speaker 4: their kids knew all the words every song.
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's unlike anything I've ever been around.
Speaker 2: I've been to.
Speaker 4: I got plenty of acts that I like that do
Speaker 4: that on a smaller scale, like there's several hundred people
Speaker 4: that are that into it, but not hundreds of thousands
Speaker 4: for six decades.
Speaker 2: It's just yeah, I don't And then I wonder how.
Speaker 4: Much of it was it like grew on itself, like
Speaker 4: you know, becomes a thing, and a thing is that
Speaker 4: it's nothing draws a cround like a crowd, that whole.
Speaker 2: Thing, right, Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It's it's such an attractive like vibe, an attractive corner
Speaker 3: of human kind that people who weren't there at the beginning,
Speaker 3: or if you know, they didn't grow up with the
Speaker 3: songs or whatever. Just the idea that that many people
Speaker 3: could get together and have their energy be so positive
Speaker 3: and a lack of conflict and a lack of people
Speaker 3: being a holes like people tend to be, and listening
Speaker 3: to the music and dancing and stuff. It's just it's
Speaker 3: an attractive proposition and you know why, you know why,
Speaker 3: it's it's on a scale that nobody else has ever matched.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's hard, it's magic, it's culture, it's a vibe.
Speaker 4: I thought, at some point, surely we're going to sit
Speaker 4: down during one of these slow songs, aren't we. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's a Friday night, We've all worked all week long,
Speaker 4: we're all a little tired on a lot of you
Speaker 4: are way older than I am. Surely Nope, nobody was
Speaker 4: sitting down at any point, even for a moment.
Speaker 3: Well, I am a fan, I am not a dead head.
Speaker 3: I have some good friends who are here. Is my
Speaker 3: horrifying Well, I'm sorry, it's my impressive, but horrifying, grateful,
Speaker 3: dead claim to fame. I was at Jerry Garcia's last
Speaker 3: show before he died in Chicago. Did you play a role?
Speaker 3: Or many years ago? And I fell sound asleep halfway
Speaker 3: through it? Fell asleep because I may have been over served.
Speaker 3: Fell It was well, yeah, okay, you call it what
Speaker 3: you want. It was a very hot summer day in Chicago.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, if.
Speaker 3: Drinking beer and all getting rid of it and then
Speaker 3: sitting there baking in the sun and Soldier Field just baking,
Speaker 3: I'm surprised that I has this all been Maybe I'm dead,
Speaker 3: Maybe I died that day and this has all been
Speaker 3: a prolonged illucination.
Speaker 2: It was like.
Speaker 4: Fifty five degrees in the middle of the concert for
Speaker 4: this one, So yeah, I didn't have that problem.
Speaker 2: Yeah you were better off, trust me. I don't know.
Speaker 4: John Mayer plays guitar with a giant winter coat on
Speaker 4: zipped up around his ears. The way he's flip flipping phenomenal.
Speaker 4: By the way, John Mayer is just freaking unreal. Yeah
Speaker 4: he's a monster, but he's not happy to have it
Speaker 4: come to an end.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: There's not much said about why they decided to wrap
Speaker 4: it up. New York Times went deep on that over
Speaker 4: the weekend. But I didn't notice that Bob Weir, he
Speaker 4: would play for a while and then he would take
Speaker 4: his hand off and shake his hand a lot. And
Speaker 4: I hadn't seen that in videos before, because I've watched
Speaker 4: a lot of Dead and Company videos over the last
Speaker 4: several years. Because I just like got into it when
Speaker 4: John Mayer joined, which I know makes me something something
Speaker 4: uncool among.
Speaker 2: Real Dead advances. But Jerry come lately.
Speaker 4: Yeah something. But anyway, he wasn't doing that before. I
Speaker 4: wonder if he doesn't have something that physical it's happening
Speaker 4: and he just can't play every night like that.
Speaker 3: Handful of my favorite musicians I've had to give it
Speaker 3: up because arthritis.
Speaker 2: About how are.
Speaker 4: You standing up there for three and a half hours
Speaker 4: and paying attention to what you're doing. I'm dying out
Speaker 4: here standing for three and a half I don't know.
Speaker 4: Maybe they think about how much money they're making.
Speaker 3: Maybe they enjoy playing music. Listen to you, y sink,
Speaker 3: you couldn't be a deadhead. I'm surprised you weren't drummed
Speaker 3: out of the stadium. I'm getting bad vibes from the
Speaker 3: bald man over here.
Speaker 2: Man, get out.
Speaker 4: It was definitely the single best vibe at that scale
Speaker 4: that I've ever been around in my life. And man,
Speaker 4: that's a heck of a thing to pull off. I
Speaker 4: doubt it'll ever be recreated, certainly, not for that length.
Speaker 4: Not possible, Not in the modern world.
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Speaker 4: The New York Times with a hilarious long article about
Speaker 4: pants and how wide pants are in now and skinny
Speaker 4: pants are out, which it was.
Speaker 2: It was hilarious.
Speaker 4: I read quite a bit of it just because I
Speaker 4: found it hilarious how seriously they took this topic and
Speaker 4: how in depth they went in The New York Times
Speaker 4: about it. But anyway, that we then played a little
Speaker 4: clip of Lyndon Baines Johnson, president of the United States
Speaker 4: from sixty three to sixty eight, talking to his tailor
Speaker 4: on the phone about his pants. And Katie had never
Speaker 4: heard it before because Katie's new to the show. Roughly,
Speaker 4: how long you've been here a year?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Wow?
Speaker 2: Time flies spikes.
Speaker 4: So this is Lyndon made Johnson who had his pants
Speaker 4: special made by a Taylor back in Texas.
Speaker 2: And LBJ was a corn Pone.
Speaker 4: That's actually what the Kennedy people called him, Colonel corn Pone.
Speaker 2: To his face. That nice relationship.
Speaker 4: Anyway, from small town Texas, and he's talking to his
Speaker 4: tailor about getting a new pair of pants ordered, and
Speaker 4: it sounded something like.
Speaker 5: This, Miss Tager, Joe Hagger, Joe is your father, the
Speaker 5: one that makes clothes. Get there we're all together. Uh,
Speaker 5: you all made me some real light weight slacks. Uh.
Speaker 5: He just made up on his own sentimental four months ago.
Speaker 5: It's a kind of a light brown and a light green,
Speaker 5: rather soft green and soft brown, and the real light weight.
Speaker 5: I need about six pairs were around in the evening
Speaker 5: when I come in from work and I need about
Speaker 5: a half inch too tight in the waist.
Speaker 2: He would call it back there.
Speaker 6: That didn't wanted to want me.
Speaker 5: To get it right. Fault. You know, I don't know.
Speaker 5: You all just guessed out of my things sounded. But
Speaker 5: once you have the measurements there for you, I can
Speaker 5: send you a pair. I want him a half inch
Speaker 5: larger in the waist than they were before, except I
Speaker 5: want two or three inches of stuff left back in
Speaker 5: there so I can take them up. I ury ten
Speaker 5: or fifteen pounds a month. So leave me at least
Speaker 5: two and a half thirt inches in the back where
Speaker 5: I can let them out or take them up and
Speaker 5: make these a half inch better in the waist, Make
Speaker 5: the pockets at least an inch longer. Money, my money,
Speaker 5: and my knife, everything fall out now, the pockets when
Speaker 5: you sit down in the chair, the knife and your
Speaker 5: money comes out, so I need at least another inch
Speaker 5: in the pockets. Yeah. Now another thing with crouch down
Speaker 5: where you hang is always a little too tight. So
Speaker 5: when you make them up, give me an inch that
Speaker 5: I can let out there, because they cut me. It's
Speaker 5: just like riding a wire fence. These are almost the
Speaker 5: best that I've had anywhere in the United States. But
Speaker 5: when I gained a little weight, they cut me under there.
Speaker 5: So leave me. You never do have much margin that
Speaker 5: which see if you can't leave me about it an
Speaker 5: age from the word of zippering and round under my
Speaker 5: back of up hole so I can write it out
Speaker 5: there if I need to. Now, be sure he got
Speaker 5: the best zippers in them. These are good that I have.
Speaker 5: And if you get those coming, I was sure be grateful.
Speaker 4: There you go, at a historical moment, actual phone call
Speaker 4: with president of the United States, and cut me like.
Speaker 2: I'm shitting on a wire fencer. Oh. The fact don't
Speaker 2: leave me my margin. You gotta have margin.
Speaker 4: The fact that he burps right before he uses the
Speaker 4: word is my favorite part.
Speaker 6: That is what that's one of my favorite pieces of amazing.
Speaker 2: It's amazing.
Speaker 4: Oh it shows you who he was. He was from
Speaker 4: poor Texas hill country to his bones.
Speaker 2: That's what he was uh huh right, And.
Speaker 3: It's probably worth the tip of the cap that he
Speaker 3: was calling the Hagar family who became, you know, one
Speaker 3: of the great clothiers of that time of history.
Speaker 4: About five inches right back to my.
Speaker 3: That's the best part of not crotch, you know where money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we know what a crotch is.
Speaker 3: The reason people use the word crotch is so they
Speaker 3: don't have to say where you're may.
Speaker 2: Has some plain talk there can I tell you?
Speaker 4: And if you're actually into you know, history and this
Speaker 4: sort of stuff. The Carol book about the relationship between
Speaker 4: LBJ and the Kennedy family is amazing because he just
Speaker 4: heard who the guy was. That's way different than the
Speaker 4: Kennedy clan, the Kennedys of Harvard. Yeah, yeah, Highenness Port
Speaker 4: Kennedy's and their you know, golf clubs and tennis clubs
Speaker 4: and that sort of stuff. No wonder they didn't get
Speaker 4: along with when vice versa with LBJ.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, where their patrician accents and their crisp
Speaker 3: suits and the rest of it with practically no margin
Speaker 3: whether they're or banged at the time from there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the same in the minimum. It's like riding
Speaker 2: a rail fence. I mean, it's just, oh my god,
Speaker 2: something my grandfather would say. Well, that's how I gained
Speaker 2: some weight back. And it cuts me, cuts me.
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Speaker 3: Now, Katie, you don't know this, probably, but Jack and
Speaker 3: I have had a long running and bitter dispute. I
Speaker 3: really like appetizers if I'm out to eat or whatever
Speaker 3: He's got, like he's a member of ISIS. He's got
Speaker 3: this militant anti appetite.
Speaker 2: That's stupid. Just have the meal. Have the meal.
Speaker 3: You don't need to have appetizers. And anyway, I won't
Speaker 3: go any further because again we're not bad mouthing him, okay,
Speaker 3: and he is insane and unsupportable, some would say idiotic beliefs,
Speaker 3: but Jack is anti appetizer. I, on the other hand,
Speaker 3: love appetizers, and in fact, Judy and I went to
Speaker 3: a breast cancer fundraiser just last night and I bought
Speaker 3: at probably excessive cost.
Speaker 2: But It wasn't a purchase, it's a donation.
Speaker 3: I bought an appetizer of the month club membership in
Speaker 3: which some of the gifted chefs associated with this community slash.
Speaker 2: It was a golf club.
Speaker 3: They deliver to your home like a gourmet appetizer once
Speaker 3: a month.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 2: That's awesome. I know.
Speaker 3: So like I'll say, yeah, can we do it this
Speaker 3: coming Friday, And they'll say absolutely, And they'll show up
Speaker 3: with like this brilliantly crafted stuffed mushrooms or something like that.
Speaker 3: It's a great excuse to have like friends over for
Speaker 3: a glass of wine and stuff and we get the credit.
Speaker 2: Oh that is so cool. No, I know it.
Speaker 6: Okay, So what kind of things do they offer? So
Speaker 6: stuff mushrooms obviously, are there other Yeah.
Speaker 3: I realized that this the very term has a negative connotation,
Speaker 3: but I don't know why they did, like a super
Speaker 3: delicious cheeseball, one of those big cheeseballs you dig in
Speaker 3: with the knife and put it on crackers.
Speaker 2: But it was like home crafted, Oh cheeseball. Those are
Speaker 2: good cheeseballs. Yeah, that sounds awesome to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And a friend, a friend of ours, actually bought
Speaker 3: this last year. And I can't remember what else. They're
Speaker 3: like a shrimp thing and various cannapis whatever that is,
Speaker 3: but just super yummy like gourmet appetizers.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: See this sounds like I'm so excited to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean particularly, I mean it was several
Speaker 3: hundred dollars.
Speaker 2: Again, it's a donation out a purchase.
Speaker 3: But when you look at what you spend to, like
Speaker 3: go out for a nice dinner now, especially if you
Speaker 3: have a bottle of wine or something like that, oh
Speaker 3: lot of crap.
Speaker 2: So anyway, I'm happy to contribute.
Speaker 3: Judy actually she quilted a thing, a golf cart seat
Speaker 3: cover that fits like custom fits around the little what
Speaker 3: do you call it, the hip rest things to keep
Speaker 3: you from sliding off the end of it.
Speaker 2: Anyway, so we made a nice donation too. It's a nice,
Speaker 2: nice fundraiser anyway.
Speaker 3: The game across this article playground bullies do prosper and
Speaker 3: go on to earn more in middle age. This is
Speaker 3: a five decade study that's thorough.
Speaker 2: It britz.
Speaker 3: Children who displayed aggressive behavior at school, such as bullying
Speaker 3: or temper outbursts, are likely to earn more money in
Speaker 3: middle age. According to a five decade study that upends
Speaker 3: the maxim that bullies do not prosper any reaction to that,
Speaker 3: Katie on the top of your head.
Speaker 2: I can kind.
Speaker 6: Of see where they're going with this, because the people
Speaker 6: that are more outspoken maybe going further in business rather
Speaker 6: than the meek that get picked on.
Speaker 2: I can see that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is one of the reasons I'm so militant
Speaker 3: about in schools not making little boys act like little girls,
Speaker 3: nor should you make little girls act like little boys.
Speaker 3: Let them be themselves, but the idea that you're just
Speaker 3: sit still and be quiet and just like the girls
Speaker 3: are doing. Because as a youth coach, mostly in soccer,
Speaker 3: I coach baseball and softball a little bit too, but
Speaker 3: observing the difference between boys and girls, and then I
Speaker 3: coached gosh. I coached eight year old boys, ten year
Speaker 3: old boys, twelve year old boys, that sort of range,
Speaker 3: and then fourteen year old girls was the oldest I
Speaker 3: ever coached. But I would watch ten year old boys
Speaker 3: and there are like fifteen guys on the team, right,
Speaker 3: So it's a nice like selection of different sorts of
Speaker 3: human beings, and you could see, Okay, that kid is
Speaker 3: going to be a dynamic leader, but at age ten,
Speaker 3: he's obnoxious because he has the tool, but he doesn't
Speaker 3: know how to wield it properly.
Speaker 2: That's a great point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just and I wish I'd thought about this more,
Speaker 3: but I could give you more examples of just they're
Speaker 3: all diamonds in the rough. I mean, some of them
Speaker 3: are probably going to end up in jail or beating
Speaker 3: their spouse or something like that. I mean, not everybody's
Speaker 3: a diamond, but they're they're too much of everything. But
Speaker 3: that's how you end up, I think with a good man.
Speaker 3: It's very rare that a meek Well, no, I don't
Speaker 3: want to I don't want to overstate this because some
Speaker 3: people are just introverts. But we need to get back
Speaker 3: to boys will be boys, and that that saying has
Speaker 3: been perverted to mean allegedly so they can do anything
Speaker 3: they want. But no, that's not what that saying means
Speaker 3: at all. It means you have to put up with
Speaker 3: the excesses of boyhood to end up with good men.
Speaker 2: Now I'm a poor bullying but go ahead.
Speaker 6: No, I like what you said too about they have
Speaker 6: the tool, they just don't know how to use it yet.
Speaker 6: Because you do, you might see a leader in this
Speaker 6: ten year old. But that not yet because right now
Speaker 6: they don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're they're loud and obnoxious, yeah, or they bully
Speaker 3: for instance. Now, some bullies remain bullies in their a holes,
Speaker 3: and I hate them and I hope they go to prison.
Speaker 3: But some people, you know, this is if I have
Speaker 3: told this story in ages. I remember the first time
Speaker 3: I told this story. Now, gladys, do you play the
Speaker 3: harp when I'm thinking about I'm looking back at telling
Speaker 3: a story about looking back?
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's there for Do you play the harp twice?
Speaker 2: Or how does that work? Doesn't just go ahead and
Speaker 2: start talking. So I was, uh, I was having this
Speaker 2: argument with a frenemy.
Speaker 3: Okay, he I was like the pitcher on the baseball team,
Speaker 3: the high school baseball team, and he was the catcher,
Speaker 3: and he was a really good catcher, really good ballplayer.
Speaker 3: But he and I had this like two alpha dogs
Speaker 3: thing going on, and so there was respect and all,
Speaker 3: but we clashed. We clashed a fair amount and we
Speaker 3: got We got into it one time verbally and he
Speaker 3: said to me, and I wish I had I wish
Speaker 3: I had written the quote down.
Speaker 2: He said something like I'm not even going to get
Speaker 2: into it with you because you'll cut me to bits.
Speaker 3: And I thought, he sees my verbal ability as a
Speaker 3: tool of meanness and cruelty. And I thought, I don't
Speaker 3: want to be that guy ever again. I don't want to.
Speaker 3: I mean, unless somebody's got a coming. I decided, Okay,
Speaker 3: I have the ability to hurt people with words. I
Speaker 3: am never going to do that to an innocent victim.
Speaker 3: And maybe I've lapsed at times of loss of temper
Speaker 3: or what have you in the intervening years, but I've
Speaker 3: never thought of myself.
Speaker 2: Part of it is I never thought of.
Speaker 3: Myself as a bully, because I would never hurt anybody physically.
Speaker 2: But I realized at that moment he used.
Speaker 3: Me as some sort of verbal bully, and I thought,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to be that and so and I
Speaker 3: hate that. This is painful for me to admit that
Speaker 3: I might have kind of been that quote unquote bully
Speaker 3: who then grew up to not be a bully as
Speaker 3: an adult.
Speaker 6: That's interesting because when you said what when you quoted
Speaker 6: what he said, I heard it as like you were
Speaker 6: you have more of a verbal ability than him, not
Speaker 6: that you're cruel with your words, but that you you
Speaker 6: could verbally take him if you guys were to get
Speaker 6: into an argument.
Speaker 3: Right, right, I guess the subtlety of it is I
Speaker 3: always saw it as like winning an argument as opposed
Speaker 3: to leaving a victim. Okay, well, it's you know, like
Speaker 3: the typical adolescent. It was self centered. I looked at
Speaker 3: it from my point of view. I win and I
Speaker 3: spanked him and sent him running. Yeah, but I hadn't
Speaker 3: developed the compassion to really see it from the other
Speaker 3: person's perspective. And like I say, if it's somebody trying to,
Speaker 3: for instance, you know, like push experimental sex change procedures
Speaker 3: on children, I'll rip them apart. If I can, I
Speaker 3: will turn every skill. I have full blast for the
Speaker 3: kid's sake. But like I said, no, no, nobody who
Speaker 3: doesn't have it coming, I just won't do that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And recognizing that about yourself too is a big thing,
Speaker 6: because I have a very similar I like to call
Speaker 6: it a sharp tongue.
Speaker 2: Especially at all.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, I don't have that one bit.
Speaker 6: But that's something that I've been working on my whole life,
Speaker 6: is realizing Yo, Okay, cool it because I know that
Speaker 6: once it takes off bad news bears.
Speaker 3: Right, right, you don't punch everybody who deserves it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and you don't, you know, strip them naked with your
Speaker 3: verbiage if they don't deserve it either, even though you can.
Speaker 2: And when they do, though, oh is it fun?
Speaker 3: So now the temper outburst thing is interesting. They found
Speaker 3: an increase in teachers observations of conduct problems such as
Speaker 3: temper outbursts or bullying or teasing other children, was associated
Speaker 3: with an increase in earnings of nearly four percent of
Speaker 3: any given rise in conduct problems for boys or girls.
Speaker 3: That compares to a six percent rise for higher cognition skills,
Speaker 3: and so as a measure of who's going to do
Speaker 3: well at least financially an old boy, now that I
Speaker 3: think it, that's an interesting way to measure this anyway,
Speaker 3: But being like hot tempered is almost as good an
Speaker 3: indicator of being successful in life as being smart.
Speaker 6: Yeah, based off how they put it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, wow, it's forty percent of six Well, I
Speaker 3: guess you could say fifty percent more likely, but you
Speaker 3: see my point. Further analysis showed that by age sixteen,
Speaker 3: those with conduct problems were more sociable as teenagers and
Speaker 3: were more likely.
Speaker 2: To smoke and be arrested at some point in their lives.
Speaker 2: Oh there's that. Wow, So is it just being more
Speaker 2: dynamic in general? I do not know. Yeah.
Speaker 3: They point out many people, many successful people, have had
Speaker 3: various problems in school, like Winston Churchill. Various folks expelled, suspended,
Speaker 3: who ended up being famous or successful or what have you.
Speaker 6: Well like in today's news. I mean, look at Trump,
Speaker 6: he's considered a bully.
Speaker 3: He's probably Yeah, I think he's still a bully. It's
Speaker 3: one of the things I don't particularly like about him.
Speaker 3: But I was thinking about Steve Jobs, genius, but I've
Speaker 3: heard he was a complete bully. Oh yeah, that's right
Speaker 3: at when. Yeah, I was picturing his youth. But yeah,
Speaker 3: running Apple, he was absolutely was. Yeah. You know, maybe
Speaker 3: this boils down to and this is an old, old message.
Speaker 3: Don't make kids sit still and be quiet and all
Speaker 3: act the same, because they're not the same. There's a
Speaker 3: cynical view of education that modern education exists purely to
Speaker 3: turn people.
Speaker 2: Into rule following drones.
Speaker 3: And you know, I certainly hope that's I know a
Speaker 3: lot of gifted teachers and that's not what they're trying
Speaker 3: to do. But just to what, to whatever extent, that's
Speaker 3: what's happening, resist that a big yeah, we need more
Speaker 3: kids who end up smoking getting arrested because the other
Speaker 3: ones will be Winston Churchill.
Speaker 2: I think that's our takeaway here. What something like that?
Speaker 2: Nailed that?
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Speaker 2: Your sweatshirt either says I p A or E p A.
Speaker 4: I assume it says I p A like the beer,
Speaker 4: and not E p A like the You're not wearing
Speaker 4: a sweatshirt that you wouldn't catch me dead in an
Speaker 4: EPA swatcher Environmental Protection Agency swag.
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say how many how many agency
Speaker 3: government agencies have swag?
Speaker 2: I know the CIA and FBI. Do do they like
Speaker 2: for public purchase?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely cool. I might have to get some of that.
Speaker 2: I wear my FBI swag all the time and arrest people. Oh,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get the CIA stuff. I need you to
Speaker 2: open your trunk. I bring them to justice. Open the trunk.
Speaker 2: Please make lights on your car too. Who are you?
Speaker 2: I'll ask the questions? Do you open the trunk?
Speaker 3: Can I see your badge, Can I see your hands
Speaker 3: behind your back?
Speaker 2: And then I tough them.
Speaker 4: Uh so this, I hope this. I hope this works
Speaker 4: what I'm about to do here. I came across this
Speaker 4: last night and I laughed out loud several times. So
Speaker 4: it's a guy with a kind of funny laugh and
Speaker 4: this is pretty long. He speaking a different language. I
Speaker 4: don't even know what language it is, but I don't
Speaker 4: speak it. But it was still funny and I could
Speaker 4: pick up on the universal cadence of telling a story.
Speaker 4: And then he starts laughing about the story and then
Speaker 4: filling in more details and continues to laugh, and the
Speaker 4: other guy's laughing, and it just and then like, you know,
Speaker 4: then you won't believe this, And then they I guess
Speaker 4: that's what he's saying.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't speak the language.
Speaker 4: But if this is funny to you the way it
Speaker 4: was to me, I think it says something about humor or,
Speaker 4: because I've often thought people that are really really funny, they.
Speaker 2: Don't they don't even need words.
Speaker 4: Their timing is so good that the joke doesn't even
Speaker 4: have to even have to be a joke. The timing
Speaker 4: is so perfect it's funny just with the timing. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I suppose anyway, we'll see if this is funny or not.
Speaker 4: You're not supposed to understand what this person is saying.
Speaker 4: He's telling a story, right, good loud michaels.
Speaker 7: Chank, no money, good say t me the interlope, the
Speaker 7: on the bottle?
Speaker 5: He won No.
Speaker 7: Intern goes know my yet? Yeah, I drop into my.
Speaker 5: I there you go. What I.
Speaker 7: I got that buck?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I said.
Speaker 4: Tell you by.
Speaker 2: Dude is amused.
Speaker 4: First of all, I would like to have somebody translate
Speaker 4: that story to me, because I just feel like at.
Speaker 2: Some point it was like and then no, you won't
Speaker 2: believe this. Then she walks in with a canary on
Speaker 2: her head. Done yet.
Speaker 3: Her husband turns around and he says, but then the
Speaker 3: dog comes into the room, and.
Speaker 7: Hold on, I'm not done.
Speaker 3: I just told the translation of that story, isn't They
Speaker 3: were complaining about how loud my party was, so I
Speaker 3: went to their home and murdered them all.
Speaker 4: Or it's incredibly Yeah, it's incredibly graphic sexually or something.
Speaker 2: I mean just like racist or something.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, here the record.
Speaker 4: We got no idea what bro was saying that maybe
Speaker 4: you should have run this by somebody who speaks whatever
Speaker 4: language that is before.
Speaker 2: Paynapping this out now. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4: Jesus could be the most racist, sexist, overtly horrifying joke
Speaker 4: you've ever heard in your life.
Speaker 7: And then the.
Speaker 2: Nazis, Oh, don't even say it. Boy. Dude's laugh was
Speaker 2: just insane. Wait, it's thought, that was it. No, that's
Speaker 2: not the end of it. Sounds like it must have
Speaker 2: about a heck of a joke.
Speaker 6: I think his laugh might have been what was making
Speaker 6: you laugh, because it just just his laugh itself was
Speaker 6: was funny?
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I would clearly the infectious laugh had something
Speaker 3: to do with it.
Speaker 4: I would like to have the slightest idea what this
Speaker 4: story was about, because it's got many tags, and just
Speaker 4: when you.
Speaker 2: Think it's over, it's not.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, exactly yeah that her husband, Her husband says, no, seriously,
Speaker 3: this is what he said, right? Uh yeah, I wonder
Speaker 3: can we run that through Google trams figure out what
Speaker 3: sort of horror we've unleashed.
Speaker 2: The closet and his mom is standing there and she says,
Speaker 2: and just get going and going.
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