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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty.

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Speaker 2: Arms Strong and Gette and He Armstrong and Gutty Strong.

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Speaker 3: One More Thing, Get it wherever you like to get podcasts.

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Speaker 4: I saw an article in New York Times about the

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Speaker 4: Final Dead shows happening in San Francisco over the weekend.

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Speaker 4: They played Friday, Saturday, Sunday night final shows of their tour.

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Speaker 4: They said there's chances they'll get back together again for

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Speaker 4: a benefit or something, but they're never going to tour again,

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Speaker 4: they claim. I don't think they probably actually are. They've

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Speaker 4: made that claim many times over the years. They're very old. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Bubbweer's like Joe Biden old and I noticed him well

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Speaker 4: he was as an adult during the Summer of Love

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Speaker 4: in nineteen sixty seven. Yeah, that's one of the things

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Speaker 4: I want to bring up with this phenomenon. So, speaking

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Speaker 4: of it being a phenomenon, one of the reasons I

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Speaker 4: went was, it's a phenomenon. I haven't been to a

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Speaker 4: concert in I think fifteen years, so it had been

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Speaker 4: a long time. So I'd been to a concert and

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Speaker 4: Dead and Company was coming to the area. It's sixty

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Speaker 4: miles from my house, and I kind of thought about

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Speaker 4: it a couple of times. Then I looked at prices.

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Speaker 4: They're too high. Anyway, I finally decided, you know what,

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Speaker 4: I'm going to do it. So I bought a ticket

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Speaker 4: two hours before, three hours before the show started, hopped

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Speaker 4: on my motorcycle, rode into San Francisco to the baseball line,

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Speaker 4: and and didn't even pay a ton for it. Luckily,

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Speaker 4: I think people started to panic. Some of the people

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Speaker 4: that had put I'll say you one for eight thousand

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Speaker 4: so it didn't get a bad price. Anyway, I was

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Speaker 4: trying to figure out while I was sitting there in

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Speaker 4: the concert, I was trying to figure out, what is

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Speaker 4: the phenomenon of the whole grateful Dead thing.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned. They've been doing this for.

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Speaker 4: Fifty five years, fifty seven years something like that, with

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Speaker 4: only a couple of exceptions. Every song they play is

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Speaker 4: fifty plus years old. They haven't created, they haven't created

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Speaker 4: anything new and forever, and the crowd and the place,

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Speaker 4: I don't know if it was sold out, but I

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Speaker 4: didn't see any empty seats up in the stands.

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Speaker 2: The crowd varied.

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Speaker 4: There were lots of twenty somethings, there were lots of

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Speaker 4: thirty somethings, forty something, fifty something, sixty something, seventy somethings,

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Speaker 4: every age group there, and.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what they created or why.

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Speaker 4: I just I was just looking around, trying to take

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Speaker 4: it all in, trying to figure out what what happened here?

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Speaker 2: Why has nobody else ever been able to do this.

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Speaker 2: I remember when we were in Charlotte.

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Speaker 4: North Carolina, the Grateful Dead came through in the mid nineties,

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Speaker 4: and I didn't know anything about the Grateful Dead. I've

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Speaker 4: never really been into the Grateful Dead. They came through town,

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Speaker 4: and I didn't go to the concert. I was at

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Speaker 4: a party that night at a house, and a number

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Speaker 4: of people had been to the Dead concert and they

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Speaker 4: This is pre internet, So in the Internet era, obviously

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Speaker 4: you can go online and check what the set list

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Speaker 4: is for every concert and they would be posted as

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Speaker 4: soon as the.

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Speaker 2: Concert is over.

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Speaker 4: But this is before the internet, so these guys would

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Speaker 4: run home and some of them took scraps of paper

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Speaker 4: and pens with them. Some of them are just using

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Speaker 4: their knowledge and they're sitting there at the kitchen table

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Speaker 4: at this party saying, okay, so what did they play

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Speaker 4: first set?

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Speaker 2: Well, they opened with this, open with that.

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Speaker 4: They writing it all down, They kept the log of

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Speaker 4: all the concerts they'd seen in the set list in

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Speaker 2: That just I don't think happens that often with bands.

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Speaker 4: Part of it is they don't play that many songs

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Speaker 4: because each song is thirteen to fifteen minutes long. So

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Speaker 4: you play like four songs, take a break, play four

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Speaker 4: more songs, and your three hours are up.

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Speaker 2: That's one weird aspect of the whole thing.

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Speaker 4: The other thing is they don't come out and say

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Speaker 4: they don't say, hey, Atlanta, good to be here.

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Speaker 2: There is one from the new while, you know, thanks

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 2: They wander out and start playing.

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Speaker 4: The wonder if start playing, and when they're done, they

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Speaker 2: And and from the beginning.

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Speaker 4: Another interesting thing is they've always encouraged people recording it

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Speaker 4: and posting live recordings, and they got gazillions alive albums

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Speaker 4: and just well, do you tell me what is different

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Speaker 4: about that band that allowed them to tour for fifty

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Speaker 4: some years. I was just looking up still one of

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Speaker 4: the top grossing concert tours out there.

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Speaker 2: They didn't play that many shows, but they're making.

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Speaker 4: Gazillions of dollars, Yeah, in ticket sales and T shirt sales.

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Speaker 2: And everything like that.

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Speaker 4: Oh and one more thing before I let you you

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Speaker 4: answer the question, because you know more about it than

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Speaker 4: I do. So they walk out, they start playing, and

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Speaker 4: it's got a drum beat to it that I don't

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Speaker 4: a similar thing, and everybody's twirling. All the girls are

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Speaker 4: twirling and thing, and then everybody's danced everything like that.

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Speaker 4: Not a single person in that stadium that I saw

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Speaker 4: never been to a concert like that. I've been to

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Speaker 4: plenty of concerts with people stand for the big hits,

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Speaker 4: Not a person I was expecting to get to sit

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Speaker 4: for a while. None of that happened. So they do

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Speaker 4: the drum beat, drumbeat, and they opened with the Buddy

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Speaker 4: Holly song that they do.

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Speaker 2: Regularly, probably not fade away. Yeah yeah, And so.

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Speaker 4: Then the drum, the drum stop, and then the whole

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Speaker 2: Says I'm gonna tell you what I'm.

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Speaker 4: Gonna do it, and then everybody saying every word to

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Speaker 4: I've never seen anything like that. Why is that? You

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Speaker 4: tell me why that is?

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Speaker 3: I'm sure there are multiple books written to address that

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Speaker 3: very question, and they are book length, as books often are.

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Speaker 3: I would say, I mean number one. At the beginning,

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Speaker 3: they were just a whale of a band. I mean,

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Speaker 3: just a terrific band that was incredible. Well, you know,

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Speaker 3: there's a couple of sayings among musicians ragged but right

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Speaker 3: or loose but tight. They had a combination of being

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Speaker 3: fun music to listen to if you're stoned. Plus, they

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Speaker 3: have a weird like hippie community thing going like, we're

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Speaker 3: anybody else. We're gonna listen to the jams and have

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Speaker 3: a great time, you know there, And there are actually

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Speaker 3: other bands that have it, you just don't hear about

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Speaker 3: it as much. Fish has an enormous following that's very grateful, deadlike,

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Speaker 3: and there are a couple others Dave Matthew's band.

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Speaker 4: Surely, but not on that scale for that long without

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Speaker 2: Well, no, no, that's what's just like you.

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Speaker 4: And how do you grow new fans in their twenties

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Speaker 2: I mean it's I don't know, well, part.

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Speaker 3: Of it's that the songs hold up pretty well and

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Speaker 3: it's a jam. Part of it's just there's an attraction

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Speaker 3: whole i'm a hippie thing is hot amongst your your

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Speaker 2: Oregon for instance, right, oh yeah.

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Speaker 4: The people sitting next to me were from Oregon and

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Speaker 4: they were going to all three shows. Everybody around me

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Speaker 4: it was a mom and dad roughly my age, with

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Speaker 4: their high school kids. They brought all their kids, and

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Speaker 2: I don't know. It's unlike anything I've ever been around.

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Speaker 4: I got plenty of acts that I like that do

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Speaker 4: that on a smaller scale, like there's several hundred people

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Speaker 2: It's just yeah, I don't And then I wonder how.

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Speaker 4: Much of it was it like grew on itself, like

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Speaker 4: it's nothing draws a cround like a crowd, that whole.

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Speaker 2: Thing, right, Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: It's it's such an attractive like vibe, an attractive corner

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Speaker 3: or if you know, they didn't grow up with the

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Speaker 3: it's it's on a scale that nobody else has ever matched.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: It's it's it's hard, it's magic, it's culture, it's a vibe.

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Speaker 4: I thought, at some point, surely we're going to sit

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Speaker 4: it's a Friday night, We've all worked all week long,

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Speaker 4: are way older than I am. Surely Nope, nobody was

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Speaker 3: Well, I am a fan, I am not a dead head.

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Speaker 3: I have some good friends who are here. Is my

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Speaker 3: horrifying Well, I'm sorry, it's my impressive, but horrifying, grateful,

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Speaker 3: dead claim to fame. I was at Jerry Garcia's last

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Speaker 3: Or many years ago? And I fell sound asleep halfway

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Speaker 3: Fell It was well, yeah, okay, you call it what

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Speaker 3: Drinking beer and all getting rid of it and then

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Speaker 3: I'm surprised that I has this all been Maybe I'm dead,

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Speaker 3: Maybe I died that day and this has all been

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Speaker 2: It was like.

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Speaker 4: Fifty five degrees in the middle of the concert for

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Speaker 4: this one, So yeah, I didn't have that problem.

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Speaker 2: Yeah you were better off, trust me. I don't know.

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Speaker 4: John Mayer plays guitar with a giant winter coat on

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Speaker 4: zipped up around his ears. The way he's flip flipping phenomenal.

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Speaker 4: By the way, John Mayer is just freaking unreal. Yeah

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Speaker 4: he's a monster, but he's not happy to have it

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: There's not much said about why they decided to wrap

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Speaker 4: I hadn't seen that in videos before, because I've watched

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Speaker 3: Now, Katie, you don't know this, probably, but Jack and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just and I wish I'd thought about this more,

442
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,720
Speaker 3: but I could give you more examples of just they're

443
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 3: all diamonds in the rough. I mean, some of them

444
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 3: are probably going to end up in jail or beating

445
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,160
Speaker 3: their spouse or something like that. I mean, not everybody's

446
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:42,439
Speaker 3: a diamond, but they're they're too much of everything. But

447
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 3: that's how you end up, I think with a good man.

448
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:50,880
Speaker 3: It's very rare that a meek Well, no, I don't

449
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:52,439
Speaker 3: want to I don't want to overstate this because some

450
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 3: people are just introverts. But we need to get back

451
00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 3: to boys will be boys, and that that saying has

452
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:06,360
Speaker 3: been perverted to mean allegedly so they can do anything

453
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 3: they want. But no, that's not what that saying means

454
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,399
Speaker 3: at all. It means you have to put up with

455
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 3: the excesses of boyhood to end up with good men.

456
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:17,959
Speaker 2: Now I'm a poor bullying but go ahead.

457
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Speaker 6: No, I like what you said too about they have

458
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 6: the tool, they just don't know how to use it yet.

459
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 6: Because you do, you might see a leader in this

460
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Speaker 6: ten year old. But that not yet because right now

461
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 6: they don't know.

462
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're they're loud and obnoxious, yeah, or they bully

463
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 3: for instance. Now, some bullies remain bullies in their a holes,

464
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:37,679
Speaker 3: and I hate them and I hope they go to prison.

465
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 3: But some people, you know, this is if I have

466
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 3: told this story in ages. I remember the first time

467
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Speaker 3: I told this story. Now, gladys, do you play the

468
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 3: harp when I'm thinking about I'm looking back at telling

469
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Speaker 3: a story about looking back?

470
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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's there for Do you play the harp twice?

471
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Speaker 2: Or how does that work? Doesn't just go ahead and

472
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Speaker 2: start talking. So I was, uh, I was having this

473
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 2: argument with a frenemy.

474
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 3: Okay, he I was like the pitcher on the baseball team,

475
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 3: the high school baseball team, and he was the catcher,

476
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 3: and he was a really good catcher, really good ballplayer.

477
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Speaker 3: But he and I had this like two alpha dogs

478
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,719
Speaker 3: thing going on, and so there was respect and all,

479
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 3: but we clashed. We clashed a fair amount and we

480
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:32,439
Speaker 3: got We got into it one time verbally and he

481
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 3: said to me, and I wish I had I wish

482
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Speaker 3: I had written the quote down.

483
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Speaker 2: He said something like I'm not even going to get

484
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Speaker 2: into it with you because you'll cut me to bits.

485
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Speaker 3: And I thought, he sees my verbal ability as a

486
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 3: tool of meanness and cruelty. And I thought, I don't

487
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 3: want to be that guy ever again. I don't want to.

488
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 3: I mean, unless somebody's got a coming. I decided, Okay,

489
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 3: I have the ability to hurt people with words. I

490
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 3: am never going to do that to an innocent victim.

491
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Speaker 3: And maybe I've lapsed at times of loss of temper

492
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 3: or what have you in the intervening years, but I've

493
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:16,120
Speaker 3: never thought of myself.

494
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Speaker 2: Part of it is I never thought of.

495
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 3: Myself as a bully, because I would never hurt anybody physically.

496
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 2: But I realized at that moment he used.

497
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Speaker 3: Me as some sort of verbal bully, and I thought,

498
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Speaker 3: I'm not going to be that and so and I

499
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 3: hate that. This is painful for me to admit that

500
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Speaker 3: I might have kind of been that quote unquote bully

501
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Speaker 3: who then grew up to not be a bully as

502
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Speaker 3: an adult.

503
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Speaker 6: That's interesting because when you said what when you quoted

504
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 6: what he said, I heard it as like you were

505
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Speaker 6: you have more of a verbal ability than him, not

506
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,439
Speaker 6: that you're cruel with your words, but that you you

507
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 6: could verbally take him if you guys were to get

508
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Speaker 6: into an argument.

509
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Speaker 3: Right, right, I guess the subtlety of it is I

510
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 3: always saw it as like winning an argument as opposed

511
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 3: to leaving a victim. Okay, well, it's you know, like

512
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 3: the typical adolescent. It was self centered. I looked at

513
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 3: it from my point of view. I win and I

514
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 3: spanked him and sent him running. Yeah, but I hadn't

515
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 3: developed the compassion to really see it from the other

516
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 3: person's perspective. And like I say, if it's somebody trying to,

517
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:35,719
Speaker 3: for instance, you know, like push experimental sex change procedures

518
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 3: on children, I'll rip them apart. If I can, I

519
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 3: will turn every skill. I have full blast for the

520
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,360
Speaker 3: kid's sake. But like I said, no, no, nobody who

521
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 3: doesn't have it coming, I just won't do that.

522
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Speaker 6: Yeah, And recognizing that about yourself too is a big thing,

523
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 6: because I have a very similar I like to call

524
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 6: it a sharp tongue.

525
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Speaker 2: Especially at all.

526
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 7: Yeah.

527
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 2: No, I don't have that one bit.

528
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 6: But that's something that I've been working on my whole life,

529
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 6: is realizing Yo, Okay, cool it because I know that

530
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 6: once it takes off bad news bears.

531
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 3: Right, right, you don't punch everybody who deserves it. Yeah,

532
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 3: and you don't, you know, strip them naked with your

533
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 3: verbiage if they don't deserve it either, even though you can.

534
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 2: And when they do, though, oh is it fun?

535
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 3: So now the temper outburst thing is interesting. They found

536
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,479
Speaker 3: an increase in teachers observations of conduct problems such as

537
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 3: temper outbursts or bullying or teasing other children, was associated

538
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 3: with an increase in earnings of nearly four percent of

539
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 3: any given rise in conduct problems for boys or girls.

540
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 3: That compares to a six percent rise for higher cognition skills,

541
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 3: and so as a measure of who's going to do

542
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 3: well at least financially an old boy, now that I

543
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 3: think it, that's an interesting way to measure this anyway,

544
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 3: But being like hot tempered is almost as good an

545
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 3: indicator of being successful in life as being smart.

546
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 6: Yeah, based off how they put it.

547
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, wow, it's forty percent of six Well, I

548
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 3: guess you could say fifty percent more likely, but you

549
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 3: see my point. Further analysis showed that by age sixteen,

550
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 3: those with conduct problems were more sociable as teenagers and

551
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 3: were more likely.

552
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 2: To smoke and be arrested at some point in their lives.

553
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 2: Oh there's that. Wow, So is it just being more

554
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 2: dynamic in general? I do not know. Yeah.

555
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 3: They point out many people, many successful people, have had

556
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 3: various problems in school, like Winston Churchill. Various folks expelled, suspended,

557
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 3: who ended up being famous or successful or what have you.

558
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 6: Well like in today's news. I mean, look at Trump,

559
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 6: he's considered a bully.

560
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 3: He's probably Yeah, I think he's still a bully. It's

561
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 3: one of the things I don't particularly like about him.

562
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 3: But I was thinking about Steve Jobs, genius, but I've

563
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 3: heard he was a complete bully. Oh yeah, that's right

564
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 3: at when. Yeah, I was picturing his youth. But yeah,

565
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 3: running Apple, he was absolutely was. Yeah. You know, maybe

566
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 3: this boils down to and this is an old, old message.

567
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 3: Don't make kids sit still and be quiet and all

568
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 3: act the same, because they're not the same. There's a

569
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 3: cynical view of education that modern education exists purely to

570
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 3: turn people.

571
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 2: Into rule following drones.

572
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 3: And you know, I certainly hope that's I know a

573
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 3: lot of gifted teachers and that's not what they're trying

574
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 3: to do. But just to what, to whatever extent, that's

575
00:29:55,000 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 3: what's happening, resist that a big yeah, we need more

576
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 3: kids who end up smoking getting arrested because the other

577
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 3: ones will be Winston Churchill.

578
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 2: I think that's our takeaway here. What something like that?

579
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 2: Nailed that?

580
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 3: The Armstrong and Getdy Show featuring our podcast One more Thing,

581
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 3: Download it, subscribe to it wherever you like to get podcasts.

582
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 2: Your sweatshirt either says I p A or E p A.

583
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 4: I assume it says I p A like the beer,

584
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 4: and not E p A like the You're not wearing

585
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 4: a sweatshirt that you wouldn't catch me dead in an

586
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 4: EPA swatcher Environmental Protection Agency swag.

587
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say how many how many agency

588
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 3: government agencies have swag?

589
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 2: I know the CIA and FBI. Do do they like

590
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 2: for public purchase?

591
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 5: Oh?

592
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely cool. I might have to get some of that.

593
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 2: I wear my FBI swag all the time and arrest people. Oh,

594
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get the CIA stuff. I need you to

595
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 2: open your trunk. I bring them to justice. Open the trunk.

596
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 2: Please make lights on your car too. Who are you?

597
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 2: I'll ask the questions? Do you open the trunk?

598
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 3: Can I see your badge, Can I see your hands

599
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 3: behind your back?

600
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 2: And then I tough them.

601
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Speaker 4: Uh so this, I hope this. I hope this works

602
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 4: what I'm about to do here. I came across this

603
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 4: last night and I laughed out loud several times. So

604
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 4: it's a guy with a kind of funny laugh and

605
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 4: this is pretty long. He speaking a different language. I

606
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 4: don't even know what language it is, but I don't

607
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 4: speak it. But it was still funny and I could

608
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 4: pick up on the universal cadence of telling a story.

609
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 4: And then he starts laughing about the story and then

610
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 4: filling in more details and continues to laugh, and the

611
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 4: other guy's laughing, and it just and then like, you know,

612
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 4: then you won't believe this, And then they I guess

613
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 4: that's what he's saying.

614
00:31:58,360 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't speak the language.

615
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 4: But if this is funny to you the way it

616
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 4: was to me, I think it says something about humor or,

617
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 4: because I've often thought people that are really really funny, they.

618
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 2: Don't they don't even need words.

619
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 4: Their timing is so good that the joke doesn't even

620
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,959
Speaker 4: have to even have to be a joke. The timing

621
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 4: is so perfect it's funny just with the timing. Yeah,

622
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 4: I suppose anyway, we'll see if this is funny or not.

623
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 4: You're not supposed to understand what this person is saying.

624
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 4: He's telling a story, right, good loud michaels.

625
00:32:36,160 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 7: Chank, no money, good say t me the interlope, the

626
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 7: on the bottle?

627
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Speaker 5: He won No.

628
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 7: Intern goes know my yet? Yeah, I drop into my.

629
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Speaker 5: I there you go. What I.

630
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 7: I got that buck?

631
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I said.

632
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 4: Tell you by.

633
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 2: Dude is amused.

634
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Speaker 4: First of all, I would like to have somebody translate

635
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 4: that story to me, because I just feel like at.

636
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 2: Some point it was like and then no, you won't

637
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 2: believe this. Then she walks in with a canary on

638
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 2: her head. Done yet.

639
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 3: Her husband turns around and he says, but then the

640
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 3: dog comes into the room, and.

641
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 7: Hold on, I'm not done.

642
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 3: I just told the translation of that story, isn't They

643
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 3: were complaining about how loud my party was, so I

644
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 3: went to their home and murdered them all.

645
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:35,399
Speaker 4: Or it's incredibly Yeah, it's incredibly graphic sexually or something.

646
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 2: I mean just like racist or something.

647
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 5: Yeah.

648
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, here the record.

649
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 4: We got no idea what bro was saying that maybe

650
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 4: you should have run this by somebody who speaks whatever

651
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 4: language that is before.

652
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 2: Paynapping this out now. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

653
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 4: Jesus could be the most racist, sexist, overtly horrifying joke

654
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 4: you've ever heard in your life.

655
00:34:58,960 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 7: And then the.

656
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 2: Nazis, Oh, don't even say it. Boy. Dude's laugh was

657
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 2: just insane. Wait, it's thought, that was it. No, that's

658
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 2: not the end of it. Sounds like it must have

659
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 2: about a heck of a joke.

660
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Speaker 6: I think his laugh might have been what was making

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Speaker 6: you laugh, because it just just his laugh itself was

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Speaker 6: was funny?

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I would clearly the infectious laugh had something

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Speaker 3: to do with it.

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Speaker 4: I would like to have the slightest idea what this

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Speaker 4: story was about, because it's got many tags, and just

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Speaker 4: when you.

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Speaker 2: Think it's over, it's not.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, exactly yeah that her husband, Her husband says, no, seriously,

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Speaker 3: this is what he said, right? Uh yeah, I wonder

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Speaker 3: can we run that through Google trams figure out what

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Speaker 3: sort of horror we've unleashed.

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Speaker 2: The closet and his mom is standing there and she says,

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Speaker 2: and just get going and going.

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