WEBVTT - No Man Left Behind with Rob Lowe & The Wounded Warrior Project 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:00.560 Hey, folks. 0:00:00.560 --> 0:00:04.240 You know, I've been really excited about how well received. 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:04.680 This show has been. 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:09.160 I'm just absolutely thrilled, and I think people have really 0:00:09.480 --> 0:00:12.920 taken to it. But for me, it's really been a 0:00:13.000 --> 0:00:16.520 learning curve to understand how to do this man, how 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:20.000 to be on the other side of the mic. Now, 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:24.440 Rob Low, today's guest, is a natural at that he 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:27.200 has a kind of charisma that makes you want to 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:30.080 be his friend. I mean, he's very easy to talk to. 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:32.720 He's also given a lot of his time to support 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:35.720 an organization here that he wants to highlight. 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:37.199 So I just want to let you. 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:40.440 Know that this episode is going to be a heavier one, 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:44.440 but it's so important. The people who make up our 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:49.480 military deserve to be heard and they deserve to be supported. 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:53.320 During the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, I spent a 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:56.840 bunch of time at Walter Reed Medical Center in Maryland, 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:00.400 and I was meeting soldiers and veterans and I really 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:03.080 wanted to ask many of them their story, the story 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:06.760 of how they got hurt, but I wasn't sure if 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:10.280 that would be something that they wanted to share. And 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:13.800 what I've learned now is that often when someone's undergone 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:17.040 such a trauma. As they do, they want to tell 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:20.880 their story and if they can use it to do good, 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:24.760 then there can be some healing there. Listening to the 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:27.959 story here today is just one way that you can 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:32.120 bear witness to what this man went through and learn 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:32.920 more about. 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:37.480 Ways to support our veterans. So lean in. I'm really 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:44.240 glad you're here. 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:49.480 It's so good to see Robin. As you know, we 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:52.440 just spoke what last week or something? I did your 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:53.720 awesome podcast. 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:56.880 Yes, you were on literally and it was so fun 0:01:56.920 --> 0:02:01.000 and you were everything I knew you would be, funny, entertaining. 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:02.160 It was great. We had a blast. 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:03.600 So here's the thing. 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:07.360 I'm very very new at this and you have been 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:11.680 doing it for a long time. So my first question is, Tipsy, 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:13.040 can you help a brother out? 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:18.320 Help a brother out? You know what? It's kind of this, Listen, 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:20.440 I'm making it up as I go along, as we 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:25.160 all do in our careers, as you know. But to me, 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:30.840 it's just about being curious. You're naturally curious. I'm curious, 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:37.520 so that's what qualifies us to do this, and I 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:40.720 just it's the same thing as acting curiosity and listening. 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:44.320 I mean it really really is an offshoot. I have 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:47.320 people on who I admire and like, am and interested in, 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:49.360 and then I listened to what they had to say, 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:54.079 and my curiosity, my natural curiosity, leads it from there. 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:57.400 In terms of the questions, I don't prepare questions. I 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:01.840 never ever do, because then it is more like an interview. 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:05.880 And You've been interviewed plenty. I've been interviewed plenty, But 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:10.960 what people haven't seen or heard are conversations, right right right, yeah, 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:13.400 And so to me, there is a difference between an 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:21.600 interview and if the listener was able to invisibly pull 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:26.600 up a chair while you and I had lunch together. Sure, sure, 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:28.400 And to me, that's the sweet spot. 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:32.240 Yeah, I totally get that. And you you have that 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:35.480 in space. I mean, it's like you you it feels 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:40.800 so relaxed. There almost isn't really even the beginning of 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:46.120 the conversation. And it's funny because you know, we're not 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:49.600 supposed to, you know, in our with our current strike situation, 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:50.880 talk about specific work. 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:51.680 But I feel really. 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:55.080 Strongly that we're allowed to talk about what it is 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:56.120 that we do for a living. 0:03:56.160 --> 0:03:57.320 I mean, yeah, yeah, for sure. 0:03:57.560 --> 0:03:59.840 In your case, one of the many many things that 0:03:59.880 --> 0:04:02.240 you do for a living, which there is a very 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:05.000 very long list which we can get into. But you know, 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:10.520 I've I've always felt like for the acting piece of it, 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:14.880 I'm constantly trying to find the world where. 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:18.560 The movement between. 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:22.440 Being off on the side of the camera and moving 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:25.120 to the front of the camera that you're kind of 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:29.159 living in the same space in a way that that 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:32.240 there's that the time between action and cut is just 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:38.160 as relaxed and as free flowing as the time when 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:40.599 you're sitting in your trailer, you know, on the phone 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:43.800 or playing the guitar or whatever happens to be. You know, 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:46.440 I kind of got that from from a couple of 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:49.680 directors that I that I worked with, that sort of 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:53.800 you know, created a set that had that kind of vibe, 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:56.000 and I wonder if that, you know, if you can 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:56.960 relate to that at all. 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:01.960 I mean, and here's the other part of it, I 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:04.240 think is like when you get on the other side 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:07.880 of that and you master that to the extent that 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:10.800 anybody can, the next thing you worry about. For me, 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:12.960 it is like, wait a minute, I'm not doing anything. 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:16.680 Mu Wait am I phoning it in? 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:18.120 Wait? 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:20.400 Wait? What's going on I'm not working. 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:21.960 Yes, no, for sure. 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:28.440 And you know, as as you know the difference between 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:33.479 doing movies and television is, you know, if you're on 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:36.719 a seier and you like me, have done both. You know, 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:41.039 a movie is a finite amount of time that you're 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:43.120 on the set in front of a camera, and then 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:45.080 you might be off for six months or two years 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:47.320 or a month, whatever it is. But if you're doing 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:52.200 television like I've been doing since nineteen ninety nine, nineteen 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:54.400 ninety nine, I've had a show on every. 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:57.080 Year with that, that's amazing. It's crazy thing. 0:05:57.120 --> 0:06:01.279 It's insane, but it's like anything else. You get the reps. 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:08.159 So I'm in front of a lens so much that 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:12.520 it is my life and I get to I get 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:16.000 to that place that you're talking about, just merely, not 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:19.360 because I'm any great actor or have any great technique. 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:21.599 It's just when you're in front of a camera that often, 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:24.520 that long you're in and you're out, you're gonna get relaxed. 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:28.360 Let me ask you a question, do you have a technique? 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:38.760 My technique now is to trust my instincts, and you know, 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:43.960 if it's they're obviously different techniques for different parts. 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:44.279 Right. 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:50.360 So if I'm on the West End doing a few 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:54.279 good Men, there's the vocal the vocal prep that goes in, 0:06:55.040 --> 0:07:03.000 you know, for months months beforehand, literally training my voice 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:04.800 as if I was going to be singing the part. 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:08.320 And then there's the warm up every day, and and 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:11.160 my technique was to come into the theater and early 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:15.640 and run through two or three of those great caffe 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:20.600 monologues at high speed with the annunciation and the projection, 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:24.600 just as like a sound check basically, So that. 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:25.960 Was what time would you get to the theater. 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:34.080 I would get there twenty minutes before I needed to 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:37.880 start the hair and makeup process. Basically, I always like 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:41.440 to be I like to get there the latest possible moment. 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:43.160 To do the work I need to do right, right right. 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:44.920 But I would always but you know, you want to 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:46.720 be you you have to be there before they've opened 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:47.119 the house. 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:50.560 Sure, For people that don't know, we have this thing 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:53.320 in the theater called half hour, and it is it's 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:57.400 a really serious rule. You can that be there past 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:00.960 half an hour before the show starts, where you can 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:03.760 get brought up on charges and all this stuff can happen. 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:06.960 They'll move one of the digits off your hand. It's 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:11.800 it is, it's really as punishable by death. And the 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:15.520 few times that I've ever missed half hour, it's been 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:18.880 a combination of It was never my fault. Well maybe 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:21.560 it was my fault, but it was always a you know, 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:24.400 stuck on the subway or or you know, something to 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:28.360 accident or you know whatever. You know, I wasn't drunk line, 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:33.320 and it did somewhere, but but I always felt such 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:36.320 so terrible in such a sense of guilt, and oh 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:38.800 my god, it was the most horrible feeling. 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:39.920 And oh, how. 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:43.320 About your I had so there was a strike and 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:46.680 a picket and my car couldn't get to the theater 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:50.360 side to get out and walk. And I'm definitely not 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:52.480 only my missing half hour, I'm missing curtain. 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:55.800 And you were in the first scene, though. 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:57.760 And I'm in the first I'm in the very first scene. 0:08:58.000 --> 0:08:59.559 Oh you are in the first scene. 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:02.520 I'm in the first scene. But the great oh, this 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:05.920 this was my first line the play the play, the 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:09.080 play play, and the first line is I'm sorry I'm late. 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:12.480 That's the first line of the play. So I get there. 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:14.800 The autist has been sitting there for twenty minutes in 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:16.839 their seats and my first thing is sorry I'm late, 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:18.719 and they went crazy. 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:22.600 Oh my god, that's a hilarious story. 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:26.920 Oh wow, I love that. I love that. Wow. 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:31.960 Well, you know, it's interesting to podcast and theater while 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:34.440 we're in this strike. There's so many other, you know, 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:39.320 things that we can do or we're trying to do, 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:43.240 trying to find, you know, something to stay busy with you. 0:09:43.679 --> 0:09:45.800 I don't know if you've been working on this anymore, 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:48.959 but you're an author, correctly, you have like two books 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:51.640 I think you've gotten Yeah, I I mean, I'm so 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:57.440 amazed by that. Like you know, I can my my 0:09:57.520 --> 0:10:02.160 writing ends at four minutes and fifteen seconds in the 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:02.960 length of a song. 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:05.360 Yeah, and that's a long one, you know. 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:09.160 But to actually sit down and construct something that has 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:11.680 I mean a lot of pages, I just that blows 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:12.480 my mind. 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:16.160 Well, it's you know what it's it's it's this. But 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:18.920 it is the same thing in that you write a 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:21.640 song because you have a song in you, whether you 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:23.640 whether you know it or not, whether you go, oh 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:25.360 my god, I got some here. I think this is something, 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:29.800 or you don't know, but you've you go I'm going 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:33.880 to see and you sit and the muse comes or doesn't. 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:38.040 It's exactly the same thing. I happen to know. I 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:40.839 suspected I had a book in me. I mean I 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:44.480 kind of was like I and it was really from 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:46.520 enough people telling me that I should write a book. 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:49.600 It's like, and you know, I'm a great believer being 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:52.160 in recovery and sober for thirty three years. 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:55.439 That if not thirty three years, congratulations. 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:56.959 Thanks brother, thank you. But like it's like, if enough 0:10:56.960 --> 0:11:00.400 people tell you you're drunk, you should probably lie down, and 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:02.480 enough people tell you should write a book, you should 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:04.680 probably write a book. So that that was kind of 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:08.120 the the impetus, and I I had a great time 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:11.520 doing it. I'm really really proud of it. I'm really 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:14.720 proud of both the books and the reception and that 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:17.800 they that they still are out in the world and 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:18.880 people still like them. 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:24.200 Were they both memoirs or neither or yeah, both men 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:26.280 different at different points of in your life. 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:28.079 Is that is that the way it worked? 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:32.040 I mean, the first one, called Stories I Only Tell 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:39.440 my Friends, was kind of I didn't think I would 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:42.679 ever write another, so I didn't leave anything out, like 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:45.360 and it was my it was everything in my life. 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:47.240 It was the beginning of my life. The where I 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:49.520 Am now was, you know, it was kind of a 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:57.360 Pope Peie, a collection of essays more than a linear narrative. 0:11:57.400 --> 0:11:58.760 And it was like, I looked at It's funny you 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:01.240 say this. I looked at it like making an album. 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:02.480 I was like, okay, right, all right? 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:05.319 Does it have enough hits in it? Are there too 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:06.800 many bouts? I feel like there are a little too 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:11.439 many ballads? Did not even know really legit and like, 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:13.240 I'm like and then I was like, it's a set 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:15.320 list at a concert. I'm like, do I open with 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:18.400 a hit? Or do I like, do I open with 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:23.880 like the Brat Pack? Or do I save that for 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:27.480 the encore? Or do I or do I not play it? 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:30.520 M now? Literally those are the things I was thinking. 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:32.319 Yeah, which is tough because your fans are going to 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:32.880 want to hear it. 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:35.720 They want to hear it. So I remember going, I'm going, 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:40.880 I am not going to write a first chapter that 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:48.760 has the the gotcha hit hook. I'm going to write 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:55.520 a first chapter that establishes that I'm a writer, and 0:12:55.559 --> 0:12:58.320 I'm going to live or die on this first chapter. 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:01.240 So my first chapter literally is about I think meeting 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:09.200 JFK Jr. On a ski trip and and he and 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:14.040 I talking about marriage and how we both sort of 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:18.280 met our blonde ideals and our wives, and then it 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:21.079 and then it goes on into there to talking about marriage, 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:24.040 and that is not that's I don't think. I don't 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:25.880 think that's what people were picking up the book to 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:27.920 hear about, for sure. And I gotten around to the 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:30.000 rest of the stuff in due time. 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:32.679 Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna get myself a copy and 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:36.240 check that out, because first off, I love memoirs, and 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:41.199 I think that seeing uh your journey would be really 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:42.880 really fascinating. 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:45.040 Oh, you you will love the You will love the 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:47.520 Footloose Dance Edition story more than anything. 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:53.680 Uh your boy told me a little bit about that. Yeah, 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:56.880 Johnahan told me about something about that story, and I. 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:59.079 Would I will just say this, I just need it. 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:04.160 Cutting to the chase of it. It's a dance audition 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:07.680 at Paramount Dance, by the way, I think it was 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:13.040 to a Styx song of all things. And the end 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:17.200 of the dance was a knee slide across the floor 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:21.080 and I hit my knees and slide across the floor 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:26.960 into a lineup of like Sherry Lancing and Dean Pitchford 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:31.240 and you know Craig Zaden and who who they directed 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:35.480 it again? Yeah, her herb Ross, of course, her ross. 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:41.760 And my knee explodes, explodes, pop, and they take me 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:46.560 out of the soundstage on a stretcher. And this is when, 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:47.920 this is what tells you everything you need to know 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:53.200 about Hollywood. So Craig Zaden and the producers who were 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:57.360 friends of mine, who were very pro me doing this movie, 0:14:57.680 --> 0:14:59.360 go to me and go, hey, man, it's cool. At 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:02.200 the end of the day, were we really decided we're 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:04.840 just going to hire a dancer for the part? And 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:06.960 a week and a week later they hired you. And 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:09.800 I'm like, God, damn these guys, that's a real actor. 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:12.920 Well, yeah, that's it. 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:15.400 That is a great That is a great Hollywood store. 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:19.560 So that's in the book. I guess, uh, stuff like that. Yeah, 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:28.280 I'm definitely gonna I'm definitely gonna read that. I'd like 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:33.760 to talk to people. I'm always interested in the actual 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:38.280 physical place of where they grew up or had a 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:40.240 lot of their formative years. And also some people have 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:42.560 just moved around and moved around and moved around. So 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:46.080 just give me a little bit of a chart of 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:48.720 the places that you spent your childhood years. 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:50.520 Well, you're you're right, because I think that's I mean, 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:54.200 it's completely forms who you are, right, one hundred percent does. 0:15:54.920 --> 0:16:00.360 And I was born in Charlottesville, Virginia. My dad was 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:08.160 had was just graduating law school at UVA. They then 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:11.240 my mom and my dad moved to Dayton, Ohio, and 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:13.760 that's where I had my childhood. To the time I 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:18.680 was twelve eleven, maybe eleven twelve, I lived in Dayton, Ohio. 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:21.520 And at that time, not that it's not now, but 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:25.760 at that time, it was a really thriving Dayton was 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:28.920 hit has been hit really hard by by all kinds 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:30.760 of things. I mean, not the least of which was 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:33.200 when was the last time you saw a cash register? Well, 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:36.760 in those days, NCR National Cash. 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:38.960 Register was in Dayton, oh Okay. 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:42.720 So it was one hundred and fifty thousand jobs. So 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:47.720 Dayton was really popping. There was a vibrant theater community. 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:51.880 There was summer stock coming through. When I decided I want. 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:53.040 To were you doing theater at that time when you 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:53.560 were Yeah. 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:56.120 I started when I was like eight nine. Oh wow, 0:16:56.680 --> 0:16:58.720 And you know, so little kid, you know, you little kid, 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:02.440 parts were of available in college and stock and things 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:07.440 like that, and you know grew up, you know, playing 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:10.479 kick the can at night, and you know with all 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:13.520 these Irish Catholic families on our blocks that were there, 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:16.320 each family had like eleven kids. So you would just 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:18.520 run a muck with your friends all day long and 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:21.760 all it was. It was great. It was fantastic. And 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:25.720 then my when my parents split up, my mom uh 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:31.399 remarried and my stepfather lived in California where he was 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:35.440 a doctor. And that's why we moved to directly from 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:39.680 Dayton to Malibu, which was a huge culture shock Malibu, 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:42.760 California in seventy six. It was a lot different than Dayton, 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:47.680 Ohio and seven or six. Yeah, I would think so, Yeah, ironically. 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:50.399 I'm fectioning like Ryan O'Neill on the beach and stuff. 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:58.199 Ryan O'Neill, Gary Busey, you know Nick Nolty stinking like 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:02.400 an elephant just with his pants down over it blows 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:07.320 butt like carrying cases of Corers out to his call. 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:10.280 I mean it was this specifically in Point. 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:12.000 Doom, Yes, it was Pointdom. 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:12.320 Wow. 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:16.080 You know, it's so fascinated about that to me, for 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:20.680 people that don't know. There's Malibu, and you know, Malibu 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:23.639 is a fairly large area. I mean it covers I 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:25.199 don't know how many miles. It kind of goes up 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:25.720 the coast, but. 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:28.160 It's how big is it? 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:30.200 Twenty two miles? Right? 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:36.680 And then there's a one specific area called Point Doom, 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:41.840 which which for whatever reason, multi I've never had a 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:45.080 just maybe ten years ago, we finally got a little 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:49.639 place in LA. But we all through our marriage and 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:51.600 all through my years before I was married, I never 0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:55.480 had a place to live in La. When I would 0:18:55.480 --> 0:18:58.440 work in La, so I was constantly going from either 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:02.840 a furnished you know, hotels, or or always places that 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:07.159 would take my dog, or rented houses. And for some reason, 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:10.600 for three movies, I think in a row, I rented 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:15.000 a house in Point Doom. And that is one of 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:19.080 the a combination I'm probably getting to get in trouble 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:24.760 for this of really magical but really strange kind of 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:26.000 brother dude. 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:29.159 Okay, So Sean, I grew up with Sean Penn and 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:32.119 Sean and I whenever we see each other kind of 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:38.119 clutch each other, Like, dude, do you remember when like 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:42.800 like we're survivors of a conflagration. I mean the stuff 0:19:42.800 --> 0:19:47.240 that Okay, I don't know if you have a great story, 0:19:47.280 --> 0:19:50.040 a great song in you that you know one day 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:53.720 you'll crack for me. It is this. It is the 0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:58.199 story of growing up on Point Doom in the in 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:00.960 the mid seventies and eighties. There's who the Probably there's 0:20:00.960 --> 0:20:02.160 a podcast about it? 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:02.800 Is there? Really? 0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:03.359 Yes? 0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:04.600 What is that? Guys? 0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:08.040 What's the name of the podcast that we did? This 0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:08.840 are going to tell me? 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:14.879 Oh, you were you were a guest, you were guessed 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:15.159 on it. 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:17.800 Yeah, But it's about growing up. It's about Malibu in 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:18.360 the eighties. 0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:19.000 Okay. 0:20:19.160 --> 0:20:22.680 Have you have you ever thought about developing that into 0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:24.840 a story or a film or writing a book about it. 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:27.280 Or I've tried. There's a lot of my book is 0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:31.000 about that, Okay, not as much as I could have 0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:32.440 written two books just about that. 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:34.720 Another reason I want to read the book because I mean, 0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:38.320 I wasn't there in the probably in the in the 0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:42.200 it was. I probably didn't go there until the mid nineties, 0:20:42.240 --> 0:20:42.680 I would think. 0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:45.520 But but you gotta ge. 0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:49.520 I mean, like you'd see like Martin Sheen, fresh off 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:58.000 of Apocalypse in fatigues and a baseball bat patrolling Halloween night, 0:20:59.119 --> 0:21:02.399 so kids wouldn't egg the neighborhood or it was it 0:21:02.520 --> 0:21:05.080 was so amazing and so and there was a real 0:21:05.160 --> 0:21:08.720 dark side, you know, in Mary in my junior high 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:10.760 which is now Malibu High School. It was a junior 0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:14.120 high when I went there. Out of seven hundred kids 0:21:14.680 --> 0:21:16.480 in the three years that I was there, eight of 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:21.040 them died. Eight. Now, if that happened the Malibu podcast 0:21:21.080 --> 0:21:26.000 is called Lost Hills, by the way, cool if that 0:21:26.080 --> 0:21:31.119 happened today, eight kids in junior over three years, and 0:21:31.160 --> 0:21:34.960 you know, the weird freak accidents like a guy like 0:21:35.080 --> 0:21:37.679 diving to free the lobsters, like a like an animal 0:21:37.720 --> 0:21:40.960 rights kid getting his hands stuck in the lobster trap 0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:46.160 and drowning, and I mean, and just it was really 0:21:46.240 --> 0:21:47.359 dark as well and weird. 0:21:47.960 --> 0:21:48.320 Wow. 0:21:49.400 --> 0:21:53.360 And can you think of like how specifically, I mean, 0:21:53.400 --> 0:21:56.720 do you have you ever pointed to something, uh, well, 0:21:56.760 --> 0:22:00.880 I guess obviously getting into you know, becoming an actor 0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:04.119 and getting into the entertainment business, was anything specifically about 0:22:04.119 --> 0:22:07.800 that of that that place in that childhood and you know, 0:22:07.840 --> 0:22:10.640 your parents separating at that age, that that pushed you 0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:11.840 towards this gig that we do. 0:22:13.040 --> 0:22:16.080 Well, you know, because I The the aha moment for 0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:18.919 me that I wanted to do this happened back in 0:22:19.359 --> 0:22:21.360 we were still living in Dayton when my parents took 0:22:21.400 --> 0:22:25.720 me to a community theater version you Man, I can 0:22:25.720 --> 0:22:29.600 only imagine what that was like of Oliver and there 0:22:29.600 --> 0:22:34.760 were kids in it, and I just was like dumbstruck, 0:22:34.960 --> 0:22:39.720