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Speaker 1: Hey, folks.

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Speaker 2: You know, I've been really excited about how well received.

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Speaker 1: This show has been.

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Speaker 2: I'm just absolutely thrilled, and I think people have really

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Speaker 2: taken to it. But for me, it's really been a

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Speaker 2: learning curve to understand how to do this man, how

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Speaker 2: to be on the other side of the mic. Now,

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Speaker 2: Rob Low, today's guest, is a natural at that he

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Speaker 2: has a kind of charisma that makes you want to

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Speaker 2: be his friend. I mean, he's very easy to talk to.

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Speaker 2: He's also given a lot of his time to support

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Speaker 2: an organization here that he wants to highlight.

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Speaker 1: So I just want to let you.

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Speaker 2: Know that this episode is going to be a heavier one,

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Speaker 2: but it's so important. The people who make up our

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Speaker 2: military deserve to be heard and they deserve to be supported.

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Speaker 2: During the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, I spent a

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Speaker 2: bunch of time at Walter Reed Medical Center in Maryland,

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Speaker 2: and I was meeting soldiers and veterans and I really

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Speaker 2: wanted to ask many of them their story, the story

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Speaker 2: of how they got hurt, but I wasn't sure if

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Speaker 2: that would be something that they wanted to share. And

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Speaker 2: what I've learned now is that often when someone's undergone

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Speaker 2: such a trauma. As they do, they want to tell

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Speaker 2: their story and if they can use it to do good,

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Speaker 2: then there can be some healing there. Listening to the

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Speaker 2: story here today is just one way that you can

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Speaker 2: bear witness to what this man went through and learn

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Speaker 2: more about.

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Speaker 1: Ways to support our veterans. So lean in. I'm really

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Speaker 1: glad you're here.

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Speaker 2: It's so good to see Robin. As you know, we

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Speaker 2: just spoke what last week or something? I did your

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Speaker 2: awesome podcast.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you were on literally and it was so fun

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Speaker 3: and you were everything I knew you would be, funny, entertaining.

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Speaker 3: It was great. We had a blast.

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Speaker 1: So here's the thing.

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Speaker 2: I'm very very new at this and you have been

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Speaker 2: doing it for a long time. So my first question is, Tipsy,

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Speaker 3: Help a brother out? You know what? It's kind of this, Listen,

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Speaker 3: I'm making it up as I go along, as we

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Speaker 3: it's just about being curious. You're naturally curious. I'm curious,

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Speaker 3: just it's the same thing as acting curiosity and listening.

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Speaker 3: I mean it really really is an offshoot. I have

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Speaker 3: and my curiosity, my natural curiosity, leads it from there.

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Speaker 3: In terms of the questions, I don't prepare questions. I

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Speaker 3: never ever do, because then it is more like an interview.

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Speaker 3: And You've been interviewed plenty. I've been interviewed plenty, But

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Speaker 3: what people haven't seen or heard are conversations, right right right, yeah,

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Speaker 3: And so to me, there is a difference between an

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Speaker 3: And to me, that's the sweet spot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally get that. And you you have that

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Speaker 1: But I feel really.

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Speaker 2: Strongly that we're allowed to talk about what it is

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 2: In your case, one of the many many things that

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Speaker 3: And you know, as as you know the difference between

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Speaker 3: My technique now is to trust my instincts, and you know,

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Speaker 2: Sure, For people that don't know, we have this thing

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's a hilarious story.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you've been working on this anymore,

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Speaker 3: Thanks brother, thank you. But like it's like, if enough

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Speaker 2: Were they both memoirs or neither or yeah, both men

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Speaker 3: And it was like, I looked at It's funny you

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Speaker 3: Okay, So Sean, I grew up with Sean Penn and

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Speaker 3: doubt it, all you've got to do is watch my

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00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 3: Comedy Central roast, because brother, it is brutal.

441
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 1: It's brutal. I've seen it. I've seen it, by the way, but.

442
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 3: It's what is it? Am I crazy to say that?

443
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,199
Speaker 3: It's one of my favorite things.

444
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 1: I love it. I don't what's wrong with me? It's

445
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: pretty good. Who are the who are the Roasters list?

446
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 3: But David Spade was the master of ceremonies, Peyton Manning,

447
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 3: Jimmy Carr, oh my gosh, who else was on? Ralph

448
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 3: Matchio from from Outsiders, I mean, and just amazing comedians.

449
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 3: I'm blanking on yeah.

450
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 1: But it was it was. It was hardcore.

451
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 2: I've never been roasted, and I don't know, I don't

452
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 2: know if I could take it, Honestly, I don't know.

453
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 4: Here.

454
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 3: You know what it is is like my heroes have

455
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 3: have always been self deprecating heroes. There are there there

456
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 3: are people that are my heroes who take themselves really seriously,

457
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 3: and that's all great. But I always loved JFK when

458
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 3: you get up it at the press conferences and just

459
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 3: destroy himself mm hm, and you know what I mean,

460
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,360
Speaker 3: or or carry Grant or there are just people out

461
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 3: there that that were, as the British would say, take

462
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 3: the piss out of themselves in a way that just

463
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 3: made just made me go, that person's so cool because they.

464
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 4: Do that, And.

465
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 3: I love, I love, I love a good joke at

466
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 3: my own expense.

467
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 1: Clearly you do.

468
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 2: If you keep going back to watch your own roast,

469
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 2: that's means you must really be okay with that, you know.

470
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 2: But on top of everything else, you have this very

471
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 2: uh deep, you know, philanthropic spirit, which uh you know

472
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 2: is part of what this podcast is about.

473
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: It's about.

474
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 2: Highlighting that so that you know, people like you and

475
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 2: me don't always just look like overpaid buffoons and that

476
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 2: that they are there are things that you care about,

477
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 2: which kind of brings me to Wounded Warriors, which is

478
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 2: the organization that we're highlighting today. And I want to

479
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 2: introduce Dan Nevins. I know that you guys know each other.

480
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 3: Sure, of course, good to see you, man.

481
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:12,199
Speaker 4: I can see you.

482
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 2: Thanks for thanks for coming Dan, you know here on

483
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 2: this podcast, we we I love the you know, the

484
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 2: section to shoot the breeze with people that I've either

485
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 2: worked with or haven't worked with. Strangely, I don't think

486
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 2: Rob and I have ever worked together, which is just

487
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 2: kind of amazing considering we're kind of from the same

488
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 2: era and you know that our our paths have never crossed.

489
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 3: I'm the only person without six degrees of Kevin Bakin.

490
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: I know, it's pretty weird. It's pretty weird.

491
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 2: Although I think, and I didn't know this before, I

492
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,959
Speaker 2: believe that we don't need to mention it. But I

493
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 2: think you did a sequel to a movie that.

494
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 1: I was at.

495
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 3: We did, That's exactly right.

496
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, which I I'm embarrassed to say I haven't seen,

497
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 2: but I'm not sure I'm gonna put that.

498
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: On right after I read the book.

499
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 3: Oh don't.

500
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 2: But Dan is joining us from Wounded Warriors, and I

501
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 2: wanted to just start first with your backstory Dan, about

502
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 2: how you got involved with the organization. And I think

503
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 2: people will be fascinated in your story.

504
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, it's you know, when I look back, I

505
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 4: am really surprised because it feels like yesterday. But it's

506
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 4: been almost nineteen years, which is crazy to me. So

507
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 4: for me, I met Wounded Warrior Project at my hospital

508
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 4: bedside at Walter Reed Army Medical Center after I was

509
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 4: surreally injured in combat in two thousand and four. So

510
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 4: backstory on that that deployed from the California, Well, I

511
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 4: did eight years active duty to fight in the First

512
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 4: Golf War and then got out after eight years to

513
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,959
Speaker 4: go back to school, got a degree, was a broker

514
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 4: for a while, win in the pharmaceutical sales, but stayed

515
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 4: in the National Guard. You know though you know it's

516
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 4: supposed to be one week and a month and two

517
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 4: weeks a year. Moving on with my life, sort of

518
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 4: living in the American dream where the poor kid from Baltimore.

519
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 4: I grew up in our pretty bad neighborhood in Baltimore,

520
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 4: and you know, I had found some success and like, wow,

521
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 4: it's the American dream come true. Spent my time in uniform,

522
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 4: moving on, and then nine to eleven happens, which we

523
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 4: just honored the twenty second anniversary of. And I actually

524
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 4: got to go to New York with my thirteen year

525
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 4: old to beyond approach to how impactful that was. But

526
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 4: I found myself activated during Operation Iraqi Freedom Too Reserve.

527
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: You were in the Reserve at that point, I was, Yeah, absolutely.

528
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 4: In the California Army National Guard. The opposite end, I

529
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 4: was in northern California in Sonoma County, Okay. So when

530
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 4: we got mobilized, we wound up as part of a

531
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 4: task force called Task Force Tacoma. And you know, this

532
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 4: relatively untrained National Guard unit. We found ourselves kicking indoors

533
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 4: and you know, doing everything that we didn't imagine that

534
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 4: we were going to do because we were a combat

535
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 4: engineer unit and we had just been like many units

536
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,479
Speaker 4: reflagged or sort of they said, forget what you've trained for.

537
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 4: You're an all now infantry. So we had.

538
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 2: Did you discuss that amongst the amongst your your comrades

539
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 2: about how like, guys, what what where are we going?

540
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 4: Well, it was more of a sense of so I

541
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 4: was a staff star and a squad leader and at

542
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 4: that level you're you are like the executors, So there's

543
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 4: you're really not involved any of that strategic planning. But

544
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 4: I can tell you all of us were completely blindsided,

545
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 4: like almost completely surprised. But then once we got into theater,

546
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 4: we you know, found out why they needed people, because

547
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 4: that's right when the conflicts started ramping up and when

548
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 4: the term i ed became a household word and they

549
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 4: you know, would say roadside bomb or ied. And so

550
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 4: we lost some people in early engagements, and we were

551
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 4: getting backfills, you know, like from fresh out of training

552
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 4: to just keep us up to strength to continue on

553
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 4: with the mission. But then finally, like once you get

554
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 4: into the country and you realize that the consequence of

555
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 4: not being like, excellent at your craft is that you

556
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 4: lose your best friends, right, And so we got to

557
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 4: be pretty good at what we did, and so these

558
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 4: sort of level sophistication of our missions were going up.

559
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 4: And it was November tenth of two thousand and four

560
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 4: when we were headed out for a seventy two hour

561
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 4: dismount encounter insurgent operation when improvised explosive device detonated beneath

562
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,479
Speaker 4: my vehicle. It's four o'clock in the morning, and I

563
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 4: remember literally everything. I remember doing the pre combat checks.

564
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 4: My platoon sergeant who is my boss, was driving the vehicle,

565
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 4: which isn't really normal for most of the time the

566
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 4: platoon sergeants and what's called the TC seat the truck

567
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 4: command and is guiding the operation. But he actually was

568
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 4: scheduled for hernia surgery. It's toughest guy I've ever read

569
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 4: in my life. We saw him WinCE one time literally

570
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 4: during the whole deployment, and then when we said, you know, hey,

571
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 4: what's going on, he showed us this protruding abdominal hernia

572
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 4: that was absolutely gnarly and he couldn't lead that operation.

573
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 4: So it was it was my mission. Now I was

574
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,719
Speaker 4: leading the team, and as we headed out, I remember

575
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 4: my head was bout in prayer like it was before

576
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 4: every mission, and then boom, wow. The silence of that

577
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 4: morning was destroyed by the deafening blast that sent my

578
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 4: eighteen thousand pound vehicle in the air and a ball

579
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 4: of fire.

580
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: Wow.

581
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 4: And I couldn't tell them that moment, you know, like

582
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 4: that all like we've been hit by an ID. It

583
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 4: was just my ears were ringing, my face fell hot,

584
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 4: and I opened my eyes. I might have been knocked

585
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:02,959
Speaker 4: out for a couple of seconds, not really sure, basically

586
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 4: all a blur. But when I opened my eyes, I

587
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 4: realized that I was ejected from the vehicle and my

588
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 4: legs were caught in the twisted and burning metal that

589
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 4: used to be the floorboard and undercarriage of the truck.

590
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 4: And I just remember trying to figure out what was

591
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 4: going on. And I saw the four o'clock in the

592
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 4: morning so completely pitch black outside. There was low hanging

593
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 4: cloud covers so that you couldn't see the mooner stars,

594
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 4: and it was eerily dark. And now the silence was gone,

595
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 4: so we had people moving, you know, I listened through through,

596
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 4: you know, like I was basically still blind, but I

597
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 4: can hear my team moving with tactical proficiency, securing the perimeter,

598
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 4: doing everything that they were supposed to be doing in

599
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 4: that situation. But I was supposed to be the guy

600
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 4: yelling out commands and I was saying nothing, and they

601
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 4: were doing everything right. And in that sort of silence,

602
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 4: when I saw my weapons sort of material in the

603
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 4: doorway because there was some fire that started in go

604
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 4: off my vehicles. There was some light and the dust

605
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 4: from the explosion. Because we were in this we called

606
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 4: it a dirt road, but it was more like silty powder,

607
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 4: and it made this huge pulling with dust in the air,

608
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 4: and as it started to settle, I could see my weapon.

609
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 4: It was stuck in the door front of the vehicle,

610
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 4: and I remember saying to myself, like, Dan, get up,

611
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 4: put your weapon in operation. Dan, get up, put your

612
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 4: weapon in the operation. And I couldn't move, And in

613
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 4: those sort of moments, I remember, I remember distinctly, I

614
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 4: took a breath and I looked forward to the driver's

615
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 4: compartment of the vehicle where Mike was, and it was

616
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 4: painfully obvious that he was killed, no question. And then

617
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 4: I realized I was probably hurt pretty bad, and I

618
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 4: didn't really understand the extent of my injuries and started

619
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 4: with my head, like we're trained to always, you know,

620
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 4: start with your head when you're doing self assessment. And

621
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 4: my helmet came apart in two pieces in my hand,

622
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 4: and I just remember I almost laughed. I think that

623
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 4: now in that moment, I probably didn't, but I was like,

624
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 4: I'm conscious, and that's good. And I was like surprised

625
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 4: to see the condition of my helmet. And I was

626
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 4: checking myself, my arms, my torso, and I could my

627
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 4: hands were stinging like a numb basically, and I could

628
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 4: get some feeling back. And I remember because I'm if

629
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 4: you visualize, I'm laying in the dirt and my legs

630
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 4: are elevated and stuck still in what's left of the truck,

631
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 4: and I'm reaching up for my legs to go check

632
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 4: and see what I can do or if they're stuck,

633
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 4: if I can pull them out. And that's when I

634
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 4: felt the unmistakable arterial blood spurt with every beat of

635
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 4: my heart, and I knew that I was going to die.

636
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 4: I was making my peace with God. I was saying

637
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 4: goodbye to my wife and my daughter. She was ten

638
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 4: years old at the time. And I'm sure you've heard

639
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 4: the oh, when you're about to die, your life flashes

640
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 4: before your eyes. Yeah, But for me, that wasn't really

641
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 4: what happened. It was more like, and I really can't

642
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 4: give it a real a texture or quality, but it

643
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 4: was like I was watching goals unfulfilled, just sort of

644
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:19,800
Speaker 4: slip by. And I don't remember what each of those were,

645
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 4: but I remember the last one, and it was my

646
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 4: ten year old daughter, but she was all dressed up

647
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:34,240
Speaker 4: headed toe and white and walking down the aisle without

648
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 4: her tat, and I just remember I shot up and

649
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 4: I was like I'm alive, Like I'm still alive. I

650
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 4: had to do something to keep it that way, and

651
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 4: I reached my hand in that wound in my thigh

652
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 4: almost up to my wrist, like my sort of it

653
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 4: was like I was going to attempt to find the

654
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 4: artery and like pinch it off and stop the bleeding,

655
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:54,879
Speaker 4: like I thought it was gonna be like mc guy vern,

656
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Speaker 4: just reach in and pinch it and somehow magically and

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Speaker 4: be fine. And that is not what happened. I just

658
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Speaker 4: reached and pressed against a piece of shrapnel that was

659
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Speaker 4: still lodged in my femur, and I prayed that it

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Speaker 4: would give enough time, like I could slow my bleeding

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Speaker 4: down enough for a medic to get there. And I

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Speaker 4: was kind of fading out, and I blinked my eyes

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Speaker 4: and then danced me. My medic was right there, and

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Speaker 4: he looked at me right in the face, like got

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Speaker 4: my attention and completely lied to me, but in the

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Speaker 4: way that good medics do and said, Sartin Evans, You're

667
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Speaker 4: gonna be all right.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 4: And I blinked again. There was a tourniquet on my leg.

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Speaker 4: And then one of my team leaders starting chillis, was

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Speaker 4: putting an IV in my arm, not even a medic,

672
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Speaker 4: just we were all trained to called combat life savers.

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Speaker 4: We're all trying to keep each other alive in those

674
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Speaker 4: types of situations. And I blinked again, and it was

675
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Speaker 4: my whole My whole team was there putting themselves in

676
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Speaker 4: harm's way to remove my legs from that vehicle. It

677
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Speaker 4: was still on fire. And then I was in a

678
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Speaker 4: helicopter and had my first surgery in a hospital tent

679
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Speaker 4: right next to the main gates of LSA and a

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Speaker 4: conda where I was stationed in a place called blog.

681
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Speaker 4: It was maybe a two minute helicopter ride, and I

682
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Speaker 4: already had the IV, so they just injected me with

683
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Speaker 4: happy juice and I was out. And I woke up

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Speaker 4: in the hospital tent and the first thing I saw

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Speaker 4: was a combat nurse's face, and she was kind of

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Speaker 4: awkwardly close to me, and she just looked at me

687
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Speaker 4: and said, Sartain Evans, you're a very lucky man. We

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Speaker 4: managed to repair your femeral artery. We had to take

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Speaker 4: your left leg below the knee. We managed to save

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Speaker 4: your right one for now, but you'll probably lose that

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Speaker 4: one too. And she was ultimately right. But after that,

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Speaker 4: it was I think one of the best moments actually

693
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Speaker 4: if as I sort of like readlive this story every

694
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Speaker 4: time I tell it, like I can almost smell it.

695
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 4: And I woke up and she had just told me this,

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Speaker 4: and in my head I went immediately, like I think

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Speaker 4: a lot of people would do. It's like, oh my god,

698
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Speaker 4: what can the guy with no legs do? It was

699
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Speaker 4: how is my wife gonna love me? How is you know?

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Speaker 4: How am I gonna play with my kid?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 4: Am I gonna be stuck in a wheelchair? Like what's

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Speaker 4: gonna happen? And when that pity party really started like

704
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 4: washing over me. I just took a breath and looked

705
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Speaker 4: against the wall of the tent and there was my

706
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 4: whole team. It's like a brotherhood that's an indescribable and

707
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 4: they were just waiting for me to wake up, and

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Speaker 4: they just once they saw that I had come too,

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Speaker 4: and I think the doctor had waved them over, and

710
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:54,280
Speaker 4: they just surrounded my bed and we told horrible jokes.

711
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Speaker 4: It was so like we just got so There were

712
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 4: jokes about like returning your roller skates you got for Christmas.

713
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Speaker 4: There was a loo because that's it's what we do, right.

714
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Speaker 4: You got to make fun of something to maybe make

715
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Speaker 4: a nutsting so much. And then we went in. We

716
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Speaker 4: told stories, and we talked about Mike, who actually wear

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Speaker 4: this bracelet for every day, this memorial bracelet. For those

718
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Speaker 4: you don't know, it's just a black aluminum bracelet that

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Speaker 4: mine says Starn first Class Michael Siattolini, Task Force, Tacoma, ten,

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Speaker 4: November two thousand and four, Ballata racket. We wear these

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Speaker 4: bracelets too, memorialize and remember those who can get to

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Speaker 4: come home. And we talked about Mike, and I just

723
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Speaker 4: remember we all shared some tears and it fell asleep

724
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Speaker 4: and woke up the next morning at launched, a regional

725
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Speaker 4: medical center in Germany where yeah, and if you remember

726
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Speaker 4: your history during the time, so this is ten November

727
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Speaker 4: two thousand and four. On seven November, the Battle of

728
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Speaker 4: Fallujah had started and so was mostly a Marine Corps battle.

729
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Speaker 4: And I actually over this this this past September eleventh.

730
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Speaker 4: I got to meet uh status start and David Belvida,

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Speaker 4: who is only living Medal of Honor recipient from the

732
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Speaker 4: war in Iraq and his action that he was nominated

733
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Speaker 4: for and eventually was awarded the Medal of Honor came

734
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Speaker 4: from ten November, and so it was a crazy day

735
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Speaker 4: all across the theater and I just you know, got

736
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Speaker 4: in to Walter Reed. I had surgery every day, and

737
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Speaker 4: I was waiting for a ride back to I mean

738
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Speaker 4: we got into Launcho, was waiting for a ride back

739
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Speaker 4: to Walter Reed. And took about seven days, had surgery

740
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Speaker 4: every day, and got to Walter Reed and by that

741
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Speaker 4: time anger had start started setting in the ymes the

742
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Speaker 4: you know, and Mike Cattelinia, who was killed was like

743
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Speaker 4: one of the best human beings on the planet, and

744
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 4: you know, like why my like, why do you volunteer

745
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Speaker 4: to drive? Because he was supposed to have her new

746
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Speaker 4: the surgery, so he volunteered to drive for that mission

747
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Speaker 4: when he didn't have to. And I just remember being

748
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:13,280
Speaker 4: mad because I thought he got the better deal. Because

749
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 4: I was in freedom on pain. I was down the

750
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Speaker 4: spiral of all, my wife's not going to love me anymore.

751
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Speaker 4: I can't play with my kids the way I used to, Like,

752
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Speaker 4: what's life going to be like? And in that first

753
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Speaker 4: day in the hospital, I met my nurse and her

754
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Speaker 4: name was Erica, and I was married, so I wasn't

755
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 4: allowed to flirt with her, but I was trying, like

756
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 4: in and out of my drug fog, I was I

757
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 4: think I proposed to her like three times. She was

758
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Speaker 4: the first human being I got to really talk to

759
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Speaker 4: in a full week. And so she was the first

760
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Speaker 4: person like I had trust in her, well, probably because

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Speaker 4: she had pain medicine, which was a huge plus up

762
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Speaker 4: with a deluded and I was like, oh my god,

763
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Speaker 4: thank you. Yeah, And she had said it was like

764
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Speaker 4: what she had told me, she goes, your wife is

765
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Speaker 4: on her way here from California. So I'm in DC.

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Speaker 4: She's coming from California. She should be here around three PM.

767
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Speaker 4: I think it was, and that was supposed to be

768
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Speaker 4: good news, but I didn't want I didn't want to

769
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Speaker 4: see her, I think more I didn't want her to

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Speaker 4: see me. Okay, And Eric comes back into my room.

771
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Speaker 4: She goes, Hey, there's some people here I think you

772
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 4: should meet. And so I trusted her, and then I

773
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 4: said okay. And then in came two of the founders

774
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Speaker 4: of Wounded Warrior Project, and for context at that time,

775
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Speaker 4: the Wind to Worrior Project is a wildly successful organization

776
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 4: and they are effective at fundraising so they can fuel

777
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 4: the programs like today, they serve about one hundred and

778
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 4: eighty five wounded warriors in their families. I mean one

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Speaker 4: hundred and eighty five thousand, sorry, one hundred andy five thousand,

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Speaker 4: two hundred and four Sorry I just got corrected, two

781
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 4: hundred and forty thousand. We get about eleven hundred warriors

782
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Speaker 4: sign up every day, especially with the introduction of the

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Speaker 4: pack deck, which is not necessarily relevant, but it is

784
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Speaker 4: inspiring to see because in the beginning, these were people

785
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Speaker 4: living off of their retirement, maxing out their personal credit

786
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Speaker 4: cards to stuff backpacks with the things that they that

787
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 4: in this case the founder had needed when he was

788
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 4: a wounded warrior before the war and a helicopter accident

789
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Speaker 4: off the coast of Somalia, and I remember they gave

790
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Speaker 4: me this backpack. It's the first time I'd seen the

791
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Speaker 4: wounded warrior logo with one warrior carrying another off the battlefield.

792
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Speaker 4: It's like the Firenment's carry yep. And I instantly related

793
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 4: to that. And in that whole you know, it said

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Speaker 4: Wounded Warrior Project underneath of it, and I just said,

795
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Speaker 4: I'm a wounded warrior and they we're brief wright and gone.

796
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 4: They gave me that backpack and then promise that whatever

797
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 4: I needed or whatever my family needed, that they'd be

798
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 4: there for me.

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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome back.

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Speaker 2: We're here with Rob Low and Dan Nevins, who is

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00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 2: sharing his story of becoming a wounded warrior and how

810
00:45:55,040 --> 00:46:00,399
Speaker 2: the Wounded Warrior Project was the lifeline that he needed. Now,

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Speaker 2: this UH can be a triggering topic for those in

812
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 2: the military, for veterans, for their loved ones. So you know,

813
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,760
Speaker 2: if you if you find yourself having a difficult time,

814
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 2: please reach out to Wounded Warrior Project dot org.

815
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Speaker 1: To talk to someone. They're there for you.

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Speaker 2: And that seems to be really the backbone of the

817
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 2: of the of the of the organization, right being being

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Speaker 2: there for for these these UH, for the for the

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Speaker 2: soldiers and for the families.

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Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, that's I think what's made them so successful

821
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Speaker 4: is well one their commitment. Right. So when they went

822
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Speaker 4: in to do this, they literally set out the calling

823
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Speaker 4: card was the backpack, saying like I these are the

824
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 4: things I wish I had, and it was it was

825
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 4: everything that I didn't know that I needed. And I

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Speaker 4: still have that same backpack from nineteen years old. Wow,

827
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Speaker 4: pattered and torn, and but I don't really use it

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Speaker 4: because it's not that effective anymore. But it's one of

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00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 4: those momentos I can't throw away. Sure, And what they

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00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 4: I think what made them so successful is they were

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Speaker 4: in the hospitals listening, like what were the gaps that

832
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Speaker 4: needed to be filled, Like what were the things that

833
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 4: weren't being provided by the government, what wasn't happening, And

834
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Speaker 4: then so they were committed to making those things happen.

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Speaker 4: And like I said, the intent, the original intent, the

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Speaker 4: calling card, the intent was to change the way benefits

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Speaker 4: were administered the warriors, because what used to happen three

838
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Speaker 4: Wounded Warrior Project is someone would get catastrophically injured with

839
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Speaker 4: training accident, differ different wars, you go back to Vietnam,

840
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 4: Korea and different They would leave the service and then

841
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 4: years later develop issues from their service that were obviously

842
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 4: services connected. And then they would go try to get

843
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,879
Speaker 4: their benefits together, like so the compensation from the VA,

844
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 4: and they would take years. It would take years to

845
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Speaker 4: get the records together, get everything done, and then submit

846
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 4: a claim that would probably get rejected. And so so

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Speaker 4: John Meelia and the people that he recruited in those

848
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 4: early early days, they were benefits officers for a different nonprofit.

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Speaker 4: So they said, like, we're going to get it right

850
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 4: this time right. So the whole intention was to get

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Speaker 4: everything annotated documented, so the moment that that service member

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00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 4: left active duty, their benefits would start instead of having

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Speaker 4: to dig through for two years.

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Speaker 2: And as we know, you know, when it comes to

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Speaker 2: anything of a cause based issue, it's really all about

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00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 2: how quickly the impact can be felt, right and the

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Speaker 2: most efficient use of both of people's energy and time

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Speaker 2: and also of their dollars. Rob, how did it come

859
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 2: across your desk to get involved with wounded warriors?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's funny because there's no one in my immediate family,

861
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Speaker 3: and certainly nobody that I knew growing up who served.

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Speaker 3: But I've always had a connection and an interest in

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Speaker 3: the men and women who serve our country. And many

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Speaker 3: years later I did a show where they traced my

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Speaker 3: ancestry and found out that I actually had people serve

866
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Speaker 3: in the Revolutionary War and the Civil War and all

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Speaker 3: those things. So clearly that must have been in my DNA. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: after September eleventh, my awareness was completely raised, and I

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Speaker 3: was looking to do something to figure out who I

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Speaker 3: could help raise money for and donate to, and wounded

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Speaker 3: warriors were the first people that came to mind. But

872
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Speaker 3: it really took September eleventh I think for me to

873
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 3: go into action in this arena, and I've been involved

874
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Speaker 3: in various charities in this area ever since, but wunder

875
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Speaker 3: Warres is there there. They're the best and they you

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Speaker 3: can just from that story we just heard. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I think that you did such a great job, as

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Speaker 3: you always do, Dan, articulating, I mean, because it really

879
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,839
Speaker 3: puts it in perspective. I know that sounds like a cliche,

880
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 3: well puts in perspective, but perspectives really needed. I mean,

881
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 3: until you hear how effective these two guys walking to

882
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 3: your bed.

883
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: What it did for you exactly.

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Speaker 3: I mean, and this goes on every single day with

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00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 3: no fanfare, and it continues and is going to continue.

886
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:42,919
Speaker 3: And you know, the government can't do everything, and it's

887
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 3: up to the private sector to step in and and

888
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 3: to fill in the gaps.

889
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 2: And Dan tell people how they can get involved or

890
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,720
Speaker 2: or help out. This is our our call to action

891
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 2: right here. I'd love to hear more about how and

892
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 2: I'm sure everybody would like, especially based on this incredibly

893
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 2: compelling story that you tell. So how can people get involved?

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00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 4: Absolutely the best ways to the Wounded Warrior Project website.

895
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 4: It's Wounded Warrior Project dot org and you can find

896
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 4: a myriad of ways to get involved from hoping hosting

897
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 4: an event in your community so you can actually spread

898
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 4: awareness to the people and to their people and their communities.

899
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 4: And there's even an option to bring one of the

900
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 4: speakers that I'm talking about to that event to share

901
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 4: the stories and make and like really move the needle.

902
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 4: And there's simple, easy ways to donate. And one of

903
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 4: the best things that you can do is just if

904
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 4: you know a warrior that's struggling, And this is like

905
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 4: fundraising is great, but what Wounded Warrior Project's trying to

906
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 4: do is make sure every warrior that's served and needs

907
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 4: something is getting the help that they need. So if

908
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 4: they know someone who's struggling, to have them go to

909
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 4: Wounded Warrior Project as well. And I register as an

910
00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 4: alumni because every program that we have that heal the mind,

911
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 4: heal the body, are about economic empowerment. Like the list

912
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 4: goes on and on of how holistic when Warrior Project

913
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 4: programs are. But the sort of best thing about it

914
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 4: is that we've been doing this for twenty years. This

915
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 4: is our twentieth year of service, and we're truly the

916
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 4: experts in the field and when people, whether they make

917
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,479
Speaker 4: a donation or whether they just get involved in some way,

918
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 4: it's you know, twenty years of service, but a lifetime

919
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 4: of commitment. And you know, I really want people listening

920
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 4: to know that, yes, their funds are seriously needed to

921
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 4: make sure that we're going to be here for twenty

922
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 4: more years. But more than that, we want to know

923
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 4: where the warriors who don't think that they are eligible

924
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 4: or qualify or it's not for them, but meanwhile they're

925
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,439
Speaker 4: you know, self medicating with drugs or alcohol or being

926
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 4: disconnected from their family. Like that's what we really want.

927
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Speaker 1: That's really interesting. I'm so glad to hear you say that.

928
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 2: So uh it's a that's a whole other side of

929
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 2: it that hadn't even really occurred to me. So anybody

930
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 2: that's listening, whether you have been you know, affected or injured,

931
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 2: or you are struggling, reach out, and anybody that wants

932
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 2: to help, please get involved. And Dan, thank you so

933
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 2: much for sharing your story. It's incredibly moving and riveting

934
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 2: and you know, I'm I'm I'm so impressed and inspired

935
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:48,839
Speaker 2: with with you and you know, taking a tragedy like

936
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 2: that and figuring out a way that you can turn

937
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 2: it into something really positive and beautiful. It's it's great,

938
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:01,439
Speaker 2: it's amazing. And Rob, thank you so much for being

939
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 2: here too, and for introducing me to Dan. And it's

940
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:08,919
Speaker 2: just been a blast having you guys, and I look

941
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 2: forward to you know, reading your books and watching your

942
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 2: sequel of my movie so good.

943
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 4: I want to just say one thing, just just real quick,

944
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 4: because it just occurs to me. So the Wounded Warrior

945
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 4: project logo is one carrying another off the battlefield and

946
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 4: all of the warriors start is the warrior on the top,

947
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 4: and the goal is to become the warrior on the bottom.

948
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 4: And I want both of you to know, like I'm

949
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 4: gonna got Kevin Bacon and Rob Low right, like you

950
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 4: got to understand how cool that is for me, right,

951
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 4: just so just so you know, like I can do

952
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 4: like forty of the dances from Footloose, right, and I

953
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,359
Speaker 4: can recite every line from Tommy Boy, Like you got

954
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:57,439
Speaker 4: to understand how cool that is. But now like Rob

955
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 4: Low has been and now Kevin Bacon is the warrior

956
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 4: on the bottom because like using your platform to show

957
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 4: the story, it's doing more good than you possibly know.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, and I love you, brother, Thank you for

959
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 3: taking the time, as you always do. You look great man,

960
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,240
Speaker 3: looking good man, looking like the stud as always. Thank

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00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 3: you all right, brother, thank.

962
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Speaker 1: You all right fellas. Thanks for being here.

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00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 3: Thanks Kevin, you're the best. This is awesome.

964
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Speaker 2: Hey guys, thanks for listening to another episode of Six

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Speaker 2: Degrees with Kevin Bacon. Now, if you want to learn

966
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Speaker 2: more about the Wounded Warrior Project and all the work

967
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 2: that they are up to, head over their website Wounded

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Speaker 2: Warrior Project dot org. That's Wounded Warrior Project dot org.

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Speaker 2: You can find all the links in our show notes,

970
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,919
Speaker 2: and please make sure you subscribe to the show, I mean,

971
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 2: if you're enjoying it, and tune into the rest of

972
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 2: our episodes. You can find Six Degrees with Kevin Bacon

973
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 2: on iHeartRadio, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 1: See It's some Day

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Speaker 2: MHM.