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Speaker 2: Not a free agent frenzy yesterday, but still some notable names.
Speaker 2: Joey Bosa going to Buffalo. That to me is spicy
Speaker 2: because I thought he might go to San Francisco to
Speaker 2: play with his brother. But he goes to Buffalo. That's
Speaker 2: a nice addition for them. DeAndre Hopkins going to the
Speaker 2: Ravens got a lot of coverage, too much coverage because
Speaker 2: I think we're still living in twenty fifteen. You know,
Speaker 2: Raven's got d hop Okay, they're going to get DeAndre
Speaker 2: Hopkins and hope that he has one or two games
Speaker 2: where you go, that's why they got him. Maybe he's
Speaker 2: going to have seven catches where you go, oh, look
Speaker 2: at those catches, and they might be big catches for them.
Speaker 2: But DeAndre Hopkins getting a hundred balls not going to happen.
Speaker 2: But DeAndre Hopkins going to the Ravens, Joey Bosa goes
Speaker 2: to Buffalo. March Madness punching their tickets. Bob Morris, UNC Wilmington,
Speaker 2: Saint Francis of PA and Gonzaga. The Cleveland Cavaliers are
Speaker 2: getting too good for shows networks to avoid them. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's how good they've gotten. Because I can guarantee you
Speaker 2: Mothership and Fox and anybody else is going they want again,
Speaker 2: they want again. They're fifty five and ten. That's tied
Speaker 2: for the fifth best record through sixty five games in
Speaker 2: NBA history. You have to cover them now. Not exciting.
Speaker 2: I watch them. They're a really good team. They're a
Speaker 2: balanced team. I mean, that's not the kind of thing
Speaker 2: where you go, hey, tonight, the Cavaliers. All right, hey,
Speaker 2: tune in for teamwork tonight. Watch the Cavaliers play both
Speaker 2: ends of the floor tonight on TNT, yes Seaton.
Speaker 3: Which is funny because it's kind of what critics of
Speaker 3: the NBA are always looking for.
Speaker 2: Where's the fundamentals, where's the teamwork?
Speaker 3: All this individual iso play, That's not the game I
Speaker 3: grew up watching.
Speaker 2: So the Cavaliers fifty five and ten. The Warriors in
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen went fifty nine and six. The nineteen ninety
Speaker 2: five Bulls went fifty eight and seven, The Bulls in
Speaker 2: ninety six went fifty six and nine. The seventy six
Speaker 2: Ers in eighty two win fifty six and nine. Those
Speaker 2: are the only teams who have had a better record
Speaker 2: through sixty five games, and please don't do this. Please,
Speaker 2: if you're an analyst at a network on a radio show,
Speaker 2: don't say the following, Yeah, but what are they going
Speaker 2: to do in the postseason? This is about the regular season.
Speaker 2: If that's the case, do we go, yeah, Shay Gilg's MVP,
Speaker 2: but what's he going to do in the postseason? This
Speaker 2: is about the regular season. It's like the Seattle Mariners
Speaker 2: won one hundred and sixteen games. I didn't think they
Speaker 2: were built for the playoffs, but you still have to
Speaker 2: acknowledge that they won one hundred and sixteen games, and
Speaker 2: they proved not to be have not to have a
Speaker 2: pitching staff that was built for the postseason. But Cleveland
Speaker 2: has done a wonderful thing here. They play really good basketball.
Speaker 2: It's not maybe your type of basketball, exciting basketball, you know,
Speaker 2: flinging threes all over the place. But Seaton makes a
Speaker 2: great point. This is about playing winning basketball. That's not exciting,
Speaker 2: that's not going to get you clicks, that's not going
Speaker 2: to get you the featured game on TNT or the Mothership.
Speaker 2: But the Cavaliers beat the Nets. They've won fifteen in
Speaker 2: a row. First NBA team to have multiple winning streaks
Speaker 2: of fifteen or more games in a season since the
Speaker 2: six Phoenix Suns. They're they're that good that you have
Speaker 2: to cover them, which is kind of interesting, but I
Speaker 2: enjoy watching them. If you're going to talk about Shay Gilgis,
Speaker 2: you got to give him the MVP because he's playing
Speaker 2: on the team of the best record in the West,
Speaker 2: then you have to have consideration for Donovan Mitchell. Donovan
Speaker 2: Mitchell is the best player on the team with the
Speaker 2: best record in the NBA. He's not gonna win. He's
Speaker 2: probably gonna get a ton of third place votes. It'll
Speaker 2: be SGA, then it'll be Joker, and then it'll be
Speaker 2: Donovan Mitchell. Just be fair, cover the sports. Just be
Speaker 2: fair occasionally and acknowledge some of these sports that they're
Speaker 2: not going to, you know, make the headlines here. They're
Speaker 2: not a ratings draw. But our job is still to
Speaker 2: cover sports. We may go once again. I was there
Speaker 2: for a couple of the Spurs NBA championships, and I
Speaker 2: can tell you there was an audible groan when Ugh
Speaker 2: got to go to San Antonio again. You still saw
Speaker 2: one of the greatest teams in NBA history. I mean
Speaker 2: with David and Tim Manu, Tony Sean Elliott, one of
Speaker 2: the greatest coaches in history. But it wasn't exciting. We'd
Speaker 2: rather see a team that is more exciting, not as good,
Speaker 2: and maybe they don't win a championship, but boy, they
Speaker 2: were fun to watch.
Speaker 4: Yes, Martin, the crazy thing is the best offensive basketball
Speaker 4: I've ever seen played in my entire life, all forty
Speaker 4: years of Marvin Prince's life. Twenty fourteen Spurs when they
Speaker 4: molly wop the heat in five games, that is what
Speaker 4: basketball is supposed to be.
Speaker 5: It's so boring.
Speaker 4: That's what you guys wanted, Just like seeing said earlier,
Speaker 4: you guys want all this teamwork, and then when people
Speaker 4: have teamwork.
Speaker 5: They're not exciting. They don't draw ratings.
Speaker 2: These guys don't shoot sixty threes.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: That's but you know, we've kind of gotten accustomed to
Speaker 2: that's exciting basketball, or that's basketball, and that's not necessarily
Speaker 2: the case. Cleveland is a really good team, really good too,
Speaker 2: and they'll have home court advantage and let's see what
Speaker 2: they do when they, you know, collide with the Boston Celtics.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's probably what it's going to come down.
Speaker 2: To yes, seedon I'm on.
Speaker 3: NBA dot com right now looking at the MVP ladder. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and they done Mitchell right now? Do you want to
Speaker 3: guess where he is in the top ten?
Speaker 2: Oh? You extended it to top ten? Yeah, well I
Speaker 2: had to. Uh, I'm going to say, well I had to.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say he's eighth. You're close.
Speaker 3: He's seventh. Two weeks ago he was tenth. Yeah, now
Speaker 3: he's moved up to seventh.
Speaker 2: He is behind.
Speaker 3: Let's he's starting at one, Shay Gildess, Alexander Nikola, Jokic, Jannis,
Speaker 3: Jason Tatum, Lebron James is at five, Jalen Brunson and
Speaker 3: then Donovan Mitchell. Ok his Steph just behind him, Kate
Speaker 3: Cunningham and Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 2: Okay, but Jalen bruns is ahead of Donovan Mitchell. Correct,
Speaker 2: Like I gotta give that. What is value is value
Speaker 2: being notable, getting clicks, being popular highlights? Like, what is
Speaker 2: what is value now to where it used to be?
Speaker 2: Your team is winning at a historical pace if he's
Speaker 2: If Donovan Mitchell was averaging twenty nine instead of whatever
Speaker 2: he's averaging twenty twenty four, then then all of a
Speaker 2: sudden he's third, because it'd be easy to go, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's averaging almost thirty. Well, he's averaging twenty four, and
Speaker 2: it feels like there's a big difference between twenty four
Speaker 2: and twenty nine that SGA and he's averaging thirty. Well,
Speaker 2: if he's averaging twenty four, is SGA going to be
Speaker 2: the MVP? I don't think so. It's tricky, Yeah, pulling and.
Speaker 6: You could, maybe if you want to go deep cut
Speaker 6: on this with Mitchell, make the case by him shooting less.
Speaker 6: Three years ago he took twenty one shots a game.
Speaker 6: He's down to eighteen. He's opening up for his teammates.
Speaker 6: He's not being selfish. He's not a stat hog, and
Speaker 6: I'm not calling anyone else that. Remember Steph Curry when
Speaker 6: Kevin Durant showed up and he went from thirty points
Speaker 6: a game to twenty four and a half and they won.
Speaker 6: You didn't see stuff complaining about his stats that year. Yeah,
Speaker 6: there's value in certain things that you do.
Speaker 2: D Wade letting Lebron think the heat was his there's
Speaker 2: value in that. Lebron is showing value with what he's
Speaker 2: doing with Luca right now. I mean there's a lot
Speaker 2: of ways to equate value. And this isn't to diminish
Speaker 2: what SGA has done. He's going to be the MVP.
Speaker 2: He's been wonderfully consistent this year. But I think you've
Speaker 2: got to acknowledge certain people on certain teams at certain times,
Speaker 2: and this is one of those moments. They're fifty five
Speaker 2: and ten and he's averaging twenty four. And I probably
Speaker 2: guarantee you that there's a lot of people haven't watched
Speaker 2: an entire Cleveland Cavalier game, and they're going to be
Speaker 2: voting on these things. It's like the Heisman, but you know,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of people vote on the Heisman. We
Speaker 2: tend to vote on highlights. If you're voting on highlights,
Speaker 2: Donovan Mitchell's probably not going to get a lot of
Speaker 2: love there. SGA does, but he's just so good. He
Speaker 2: is unstoppable. He truly is. He can get to the
Speaker 2: hoop on anybody.
Speaker 4: Yes, Marmon, if this was Utah, Donovan Mitchell always got
Speaker 4: some high lights.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's fair. But the Cavaliers are that good.
Speaker 2: Fifteen consecutive wins. Zion Williamson continues to play some pretty
Speaker 2: great basketball. Twenty two ten and twelve. I'm still not
Speaker 2: buying the stock because this is always a if he
Speaker 2: stays healthy, he's the king of well. If he stays healthy, yes,
Speaker 2: but he won't like all he's an ankle turn away
Speaker 2: from all of a sudden being out for a while
Speaker 2: and then coming back and then we have to have
Speaker 2: a slow rebuild again. But he's playing well. He's a
Speaker 2: really good passer. He can't shoot, but that's what makes
Speaker 2: it even more amazing at his size, still going inside
Speaker 2: and dominating. And twenty two ten and twelve since January,
Speaker 2: so the last six weeks, seven weeks, he's been great.
Speaker 2: He's back to all when he's healthy. He's been on
Speaker 2: two All Star teams. It's just he's usually not healthy.
Speaker 2: But twenty two ten and twelve. A couple other notes there.
Speaker 2: The Dodgers extend Dave Roberts and rightfully so. And let's see,
Speaker 2: we got a couple of bids that are on the
Speaker 2: line last coming up tonight, the Southland, the Patriot League
Speaker 2: and the Big Sky, so Lamar and McNeice, Navy and
Speaker 2: American University Montana versus Northern Colorado. Also the story that
Speaker 2: kind of slipped in and all of a sudden, it
Speaker 2: feels like, wait a minute, Tiger tears his achilles and
Speaker 2: he's out, won't be able to play probably for a year.
Speaker 2: And it was weird because and Seaton brought this up
Speaker 2: this morning. Are we holding on to Tiger or is
Speaker 2: Tiger holding on for dear life to golf? Because I
Speaker 2: think it's us holding on to Tiger. I don't expect
Speaker 2: him to do anything. He can play in the Video
Speaker 2: Game League the tgl Okay. It's great to see him
Speaker 2: out there, but the days of two thousand long long gone.
Speaker 2: But it is a sport that you can play and
Speaker 2: play well when you get older. It's just he's going
Speaker 2: to be fifty years of age coming up, I believe
Speaker 2: in December, and that's an old and that's an old fifty.
Speaker 2: That body has been through an awful lot. But we'll
Speaker 2: talk about Tiger and the achilles injury. And granted, the
Speaker 2: injury and the surgery is a whole lot different than
Speaker 2: it used to be with modern medicine, at least in
Speaker 2: the last couple of years here. And maybe there's a
Speaker 2: chance that we see Tiger and people will say the following, well,
Speaker 2: you only have to be healthy for the four Majors.
Speaker 2: It's not like you just show up at the Majors
Speaker 2: and that's all the golf you play. It is weeks
Speaker 2: of preparation to get to that, and then after that
Speaker 2: it'll be weeks of recovery for him. With that body.
Speaker 2: It's not just four weeks out of the year. It's
Speaker 2: probably twenty weeks out of the year to get ready
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, you have to get
Speaker 2: ready again. You got to ramp it up. You can't
Speaker 2: do it. And that's always been my concern when we
Speaker 2: talk about Tiger going into a tournament. Can you be healthy?
Speaker 2: Can you play great golf for four days? And he can't.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just too much to ask. He'll show
Speaker 2: those glimpses. The network's fall in love with him. They'll
Speaker 2: show every shot of every round. But I don't think
Speaker 2: he's threatening. And this was before he had the injury.
Speaker 2: But never rule out Tiger. There's certain athletes where you
Speaker 2: go Nope, I will not bet against him, But I
Speaker 2: don't know how much he wants to play. I mean,
Speaker 2: he's got a brand, he's got you know, a new business,
Speaker 2: You've got merchandise to move. I mean, there's a lot
Speaker 2: attached to this, but the days of what we saw before,
Speaker 2: and that's where we're holding on to. All I asked
Speaker 2: for years ago was give me one more. That's it,
Speaker 2: and he gave it to me. He gave it to me. Tougusta.
Speaker 2: I'm fine. I think he's the greatest golf forever. I
Speaker 2: think the year two thousand, you can put that up
Speaker 2: with any other athlete in any other sport. What he did,
Speaker 2: he changed golf right before very eyes. Maybe this is all,
Speaker 2: this is the way it ends. I'm full, this is
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving meal. I'm very lucky.
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Speaker 9: Right? Is that right?
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Speaker 10: I feel like there's a lot of subtext there that
Speaker 10: I'm not gonna ask any questions.
Speaker 2: I like Greeney, I like that greedy school.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I'm doing I'm doing really well.
Speaker 10: I do think that I heard a little bit of
Speaker 10: a last segment, and I feel like you guys are
Speaker 10: giving Bobby Hurley a little short shrift. I don't know,
Speaker 10: like it's I feel like what you're deciding between is
Speaker 10: a longer run or a higher peak.
Speaker 5: Because, to be honest with you, I was a pretty good.
Speaker 10: College football player. Can you imagine how awesome it was
Speaker 10: to be a two time national champ white basketball player
Speaker 10: in the nineties. I think that Bobby Hurley probably, I think.
Speaker 5: You probably had a good time. Dude got a pretty
Speaker 5: good time.
Speaker 2: Okay, you would rather have Bobby Hurley's care than Danny Hurley's.
Speaker 5: No, I'm just saying, I.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, No, we're not. I know what Bobby did.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about. You got to make a decision. Are
Speaker 2: you gonna be Danny Hurley or you're gonna be Bobby Hurley?
Speaker 10: So is do I want to have a higher peak
Speaker 10: or a longer run? Because I think they both probably
Speaker 10: have enough money to be comfortable. Obviously, Danny's made more
Speaker 10: money and is well is revered.
Speaker 5: I guess it's what benefits do you prefer?
Speaker 2: More?
Speaker 5: The short run.
Speaker 2: Benefit is asking you a question, the question.
Speaker 10: You you advertise me as a smart guy, I know,
Speaker 10: so I think the answer.
Speaker 5: I think the answer is probably yeah.
Speaker 10: As a forty forty one year old married man, the
Speaker 10: answer is Danny.
Speaker 5: I want to be Danny. He seems like a responsible choice.
Speaker 2: All Right, would you rather be Karen Caulkin or McCauley calkin.
Speaker 5: It's easy.
Speaker 10: It's Karen Caulkin because being a star when you're eight
Speaker 10: like that stinks. You get extra candy, it's not fun,
Speaker 10: and I mean, you indaberably have all these other difficulties
Speaker 10: that child stars have. Ye, I'd much rather be an adult, successful,
Speaker 10: Oscar winning actor than the dude from home alone.
Speaker 2: All Right, what are the Niners doing? And is it
Speaker 2: time to panic? If you're a Niner fan.
Speaker 10: Yeah, we've been thinking about this a lot because I
Speaker 10: think part of this is I don't think it's time
Speaker 10: to panic because you have Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch,
Speaker 10: two people that are obviously very good at their jobs,
Speaker 10: and Kyle Shanahan is going to manufacture some level of
Speaker 10: offense out of whatever he has. The real question is
Speaker 10: are they going to be able to rebuild that defense.
Speaker 10: The defense has always been kind of the quiet key
Speaker 10: to the success that they've had there, and it's falling
Speaker 10: off recently and they lost more players. But I think
Speaker 10: the question came up, should they completely should they trade
Speaker 10: Christian McCaffrey and try to accrue draft picks. That's a
Speaker 10: thing that we discussed on my show, honestly, and then
Speaker 10: also on Get Up Today. And I've been fighting against
Speaker 10: the tankification of everyone in media, where it's like either
Speaker 10: you win it championship or you trade everything and blow
Speaker 10: everything up. I think that might work as a strategy
Speaker 10: in basketball and football. It just hasn't proved to be successful.
Speaker 10: If you look around at all the good competitive teams,
Speaker 10: none of them completely bottomed out their roster, well, not.
Speaker 5: Intentionally at least.
Speaker 10: I guess the Bengals might have bottomed out their roster
Speaker 10: because the Bengals just were poorly run. But all of
Speaker 10: the good successful teams like maintained some level of competence
Speaker 10: and built from that. So the idea that the forty
Speaker 10: nine ers or anybody frankly like I even would defend
Speaker 10: keeping Miles Garrett that anybody should, as a strategy just
Speaker 10: completely get rid of any semblance of competence in hopes
Speaker 10: that you'll get enough draft picks and you'll build something up.
Speaker 5: It just doesn't work in football.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned the Browns, but it feel they weren't
Speaker 2: even taking offers. Dominie right, Yeah, I.
Speaker 5: Mean I get it.
Speaker 10: I think that there's a reasonable way to go about
Speaker 10: a rebuild. I think the thing that I've come to
Speaker 10: and people talk about culture a lot, but culture is
Speaker 10: really important to big organizations in football, and to be clear,
Speaker 10: culture to me is like the accepted behaviors and activities
Speaker 10: processes in an organization. And it is impossible to maintain
Speaker 10: a culture in a locker room of sixty players, twenty
Speaker 10: five coaches in the front offices if you are constantly
Speaker 10: throwing people out. The basketball team is slightly different. You
Speaker 10: bring in one really good player who has the proper mindset,
Speaker 10: and the culture around.
Speaker 5: The fifteen guys changes immediately.
Speaker 10: I do think there's something to be said for understanding
Speaker 10: that when you land in an organization, this is how
Speaker 10: we do things.
Speaker 5: And like I.
Speaker 10: Played for the Ravens, I played for the Broncos, under
Speaker 10: Mike Shanahan. These were places where when I showed up,
Speaker 10: I knew how things were done, and even though we
Speaker 10: weren't always great, like I understood. And you see, the
Speaker 10: Ravens are team that has had a pretty consistent leadership
Speaker 10: and they've managed to transition from era to era and
Speaker 10: still have that culture. I think that's really important. As Steelers.
Speaker 10: You point to them, and there's a lot of teams
Speaker 10: that I think can fall into this category, and they
Speaker 10: happen to also be the teams that are consistently compared.
Speaker 2: But do you think we've gotten to a point, though,
Speaker 2: Dominique with the Steelers that they have to do things
Speaker 2: that are not traditional, Like you brought in you spend
Speaker 2: a lot of money, and you bring in DK Metcalf,
Speaker 2: you might bring in Aaron Rodgers. I don't know. It
Speaker 2: just feels like, hey, we can go nine and eight,
Speaker 2: and we can go nine and eight and again, how
Speaker 2: about we try to go ten and seven, eleven and six.
Speaker 2: How about we win a playoff game? How do we
Speaker 2: do that?
Speaker 9: I don't know.
Speaker 2: How about we do something different this year?
Speaker 10: I agree with you, and I think a lot of
Speaker 10: the analytics and football has pushed everyone to try to
Speaker 10: make these risk optimizing decisions, which I think are great generally,
Speaker 10: But to your point, like leadership is sometimes making a
Speaker 10: decision with your plumbs, like make a decision, like an
Speaker 10: aggressive decision that flies in the face. Sometimes it's going
Speaker 10: to sign a running back for more than what running
Speaker 10: backs go because in trading for Christian McCaffrey, we talked
Speaker 10: about the forty nine ers that accelerated that team, but
Speaker 10: everyone at the time was like, why would you trade
Speaker 10: for running back? And then you point to the same
Speaker 10: situation with the Falcons. Why would you draft a quarterback
Speaker 10: when you already have one that you paid a bunch
Speaker 10: of money. It seems like they're in a better position
Speaker 10: now had they just stuck with Kirk Cousins. You can
Speaker 10: go through the list of times when people have made
Speaker 10: these kind of.
Speaker 5: Irrational seeming decisions.
Speaker 10: But I do think that it's about making calculated gambles,
Speaker 10: and that would be in Pittsburgh. I think you're alluding
Speaker 10: to Aaron Rodgers as a selection like that to me,
Speaker 10: as long as they are not convinced that it one
Speaker 10: hundred percent works, as long as they are aware that
Speaker 10: this is a calculated gamble that they think is worth making.
Speaker 5: I think it's fine.
Speaker 10: It's one of only organizations that I think is stable
Speaker 10: enough that that can bring in some unique personalities like
Speaker 10: Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2: Dominic Foxworth from ESPN The Dominique Foxworth Show. You can
Speaker 2: see him on Get Up with Mike Greenberg as the
Speaker 2: host of Get Up. There. But if I'm Aaron Rodgers, well,
Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure this out. If I'm Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 2: how do I convince the Vikings I can make this work?
Speaker 2: And if I'm the Vikings, do I need to be
Speaker 2: convinced that this is this is a chance. If I'm
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers, that's where I want to go. If I
Speaker 2: can get Minnesota to go, Hey, you know what, we
Speaker 2: can have a Jordan Love transition here and you come
Speaker 2: in as long as you're willing to help him get better.
Speaker 2: That makes you a whole lot more of a playoff
Speaker 2: super Bowl contender than JJ does. I think to start out,
Speaker 2: can this work in Minnesota? Would you take that chance?
Speaker 10: I wouldn't take that chance, But I think when I am,
Speaker 10: I'm not sure that it's the wrong It's not the
Speaker 10: wrong chance to take. To get back to the idea
Speaker 10: of sometimes you just got to make these kind of
Speaker 10: riskier decisions. I think when I make decisions in my
Speaker 10: life and when I'm evaluating decisions that other people have made,
Speaker 10: often think about, like, what is the worst possible outcome
Speaker 10: of either of these forks in the road that I
Speaker 10: go down, And which of these worst possible outcomes am
Speaker 10: I more comfortable living with? And I think that's how
Speaker 10: you can look at it, because you can realize, like this,
Speaker 10: this could turn out really bad. And that's why if
Speaker 10: I were the Vikings, I wouldn't choose Aaron Rodgers as
Speaker 10: my bridge quarterback because I think the worst possible outcome
Speaker 10: is one that I'm not comfortable living with. If I
Speaker 10: don't go Aaron Rodgers, the worst possible outcome is we
Speaker 10: were wrong on JJ McCarthy and we don't make a
Speaker 10: championship run and we're back looking for a quarterback next year.
Speaker 5: I like that a little more than what happened to
Speaker 5: the last.
Speaker 2: Organization that Aaron Rodgers joined as a former defensive back.
Speaker 2: Tell me, and I don't know if you've broken this
Speaker 2: down to be fair to you, but tell me what
Speaker 2: you see with cam Ward and tell me what you
Speaker 2: see with Shador Sanders. Yeah, and the separation between those
Speaker 2: two the biggest biggest differences are what, Yeah.
Speaker 10: There are trends that happened in the league, and at
Speaker 10: one point shador stand would have been a much more
Speaker 10: attractive option, I think in this league because of how
Speaker 10: he feels like a more trustworthy, conventional, consistent type of player.
Speaker 10: But what we've seen recently in the league is the
Speaker 10: high end athleticism and explosiveness and the big playability. The
Speaker 10: creativity is what's going to drive you to the top
Speaker 10: of the draft, and that's what it is with cam Ward.
Speaker 10: You're going to get the high end in the low
Speaker 10: and as much as I think turnovers are an incredible
Speaker 10: predictor of who's going to succeed in the game, which
Speaker 10: what is more important that is big plays. So I
Speaker 10: will take the turnovers occasionally, the inconsistent play and hope
Speaker 10: that we can coach it out of them and be
Speaker 10: really happy to have the high end explosiveness with his
Speaker 10: legs in with his arms, like the throws that cam
Speaker 10: Ward is making and the plays that he makes his
Speaker 10: highlight tape, it's as good as anybody you see. If
Speaker 10: you pick out his ten best plays, you would assume
Speaker 10: that he is being revered like Hale Williams was last year.
Speaker 10: He has that type of ability, and I think that's
Speaker 10: the difference is teams are willing to take the risk
Speaker 10: of the downside because the upside risk or the upside
Speaker 10: potential is so great.
Speaker 2: But I don't understand where a team goes we got
Speaker 2: to get a quarterback, and you will spend a top
Speaker 2: ten draft pick on maybe Shudoor Sanders, but you're not
Speaker 2: sure whereas I could, there are guys that I know
Speaker 2: are going to play in the league, probably for seven
Speaker 2: to ten years and probably be all pro. Right, But
Speaker 2: I think, why do teams continue to do this that
Speaker 2: you don't have to get your quarterback this year? Why
Speaker 2: not get a player that like if you say I
Speaker 2: have Abdul Carter, I feel pretty good. Yeah, Travis Hunter,
Speaker 2: I feel pretty good. I like there's probably seven to
Speaker 2: ten of those guys that you can name right away,
Speaker 2: and you go like, I'm good here.
Speaker 10: I wholeheartedly agree with you. The problem is the other strategy,
Speaker 10: essentially the lottery ticket strategy. Like Jayden Daniels, you just
Speaker 10: have to see it once every ten years for a
Speaker 10: coach or an organization to fall on like Washington. I
Speaker 10: live in Washington, DC. Washington was very far away from
Speaker 10: being competitive. Jayden Daniels shows up there in the NFC
Speaker 10: Championship game, and I think that coaches and general manners
Speaker 10: see that, and then we look at Miles Garrett. Miles
Speaker 10: Garrett could be considered one of the best defensive players ever,
Speaker 10: and you would have traded him, honestly for a consistent
Speaker 10: starter at quarterback. The impact of your team would have
Speaker 10: been greater if you had, like a legitimate consistent starter
Speaker 10: at quarterback then having an all time great defensive end.
Speaker 10: That's as outrageous as it is. Like that, I think
Speaker 10: explains I don't know that it is. I don't know
Speaker 10: if it's the right decision, but I think that explains
Speaker 10: why teams are so willing to roll the dice.
Speaker 2: But Shador is not Jayden Daniels, right, Jayden Daniels is
Speaker 2: Jayden Daniels. Everybody talked about his talent. That's why when
Speaker 2: people are like Washington's fine, They're gonna sit at number
Speaker 2: two because they knew what they had at number two,
Speaker 2: and Caleb Williams can turn out to be a great quarterback.
Speaker 2: That draft was different.
Speaker 10: I mean I think right, I would push back on
Speaker 10: you because, like, who's a let's say, Geno Smith is
Speaker 10: like a mediocre quarterback, as stupid as it may sound
Speaker 10: to you, and it does sound to me, as I
Speaker 10: fixed my lips to say it, Geno Smith playing mediocre
Speaker 10: quarterback play will improve your team's success more than someone
Speaker 10: like Miles Garrett. So like I understand that if they
Speaker 10: get a quarterback that is a legitimate starter, someone that
Speaker 10: for whom you don't have to shop every year, like
Speaker 10: you feel like your team, you've added a win and
Speaker 10: a half maybe to your team, you don't really change
Speaker 10: the trajectory of your team with certain players.
Speaker 2: Like it's obviously I wouldn't have kept Miles Garrett. I mean,
Speaker 2: I gotta be honest with my fans. I gotta be
Speaker 2: honest with my team. You know, if you said, I
Speaker 2: got Geno Smith as my quarterback and I get you know,
Speaker 2: four first round picks or something in the future, as
Speaker 2: long as you trust management to make good draft picks,
Speaker 2: that makes that makes better sense for me. Miles Garrett
Speaker 2: may gave you fifteen sacks, great, he gave you fifteen
Speaker 2: sacks last year, and you guys were terrible, Like nothing
Speaker 2: is going to change with that. You need a quarterback.
Speaker 2: I'd bring in Kirk Cousins. I'd bring in Kirk Cousins
Speaker 2: and say, all right, here, you go, give me a
Speaker 2: one or two years here, let's see what we can
Speaker 2: do elsewhere. But Miles Garrett at forty million dollars.
Speaker 10: Right, So you're we started this as a draft conversation,
Speaker 10: but now you're arguing that you should take Abdul Carter
Speaker 10: I guess, or take a more shore player at a
Speaker 10: different position and then go sign a veteran quarterback.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: The challenge with that is because quarterbacks are so.
Speaker 2: Rare veteran quarterback but I don't want to so much money,
Speaker 2: but I'm reaching it, like with Shador Sanders and maybe
Speaker 2: cam Ward, Like, yeah, just because you're the best quarterback
Speaker 2: in the draft doesn't mean you're gonna be one of
Speaker 2: the best quarterbacks. And look, the draft is littered every
Speaker 2: single year with this philosophy. And I get it. You
Speaker 2: want the lottery ticket. Only one person wins the lottery
Speaker 2: though normally, and you're gonna try to win the lottery
Speaker 2: with cam Ward going to Tennessee, Well, good luck with that.
Speaker 2: You're not winning anything anytime. Soon.
Speaker 10: I think it's like moral hazard is what it is essentially,
Speaker 10: is like I think that you are making these decisions
Speaker 10: that I think optimize for success over the long run.
Speaker 5: Nobody has the long run.
Speaker 10: The guys who are making the decisions, they got three years,
Speaker 10: got three years to show some promise, and drafting an
Speaker 10: all pro d lineman is not gonna show nearly as
Speaker 10: much promise as finding a.
Speaker 5: Quarterback that's serviceable.
Speaker 10: That's how the game has been designed, that nothing's more
Speaker 10: valuable than a serviceable style.
Speaker 2: Jones is serviceable, right, Yeah, I guess. Okay, so I
Speaker 2: could have I could have had Daniel Jones. I could
Speaker 2: have brought in Sam Donald at a reasonable price. Then
Speaker 2: I could have traded Miles Garrett.
Speaker 5: Well, you said at a reasonable price. That's where you're wrong.
Speaker 2: No, Sam Donald is a reasonable price. He's getting twenty
Speaker 2: seven and a half million dollars for the next two years.
Speaker 2: You wouldn't take Sam Donald a twenty seven million next year.
Speaker 10: I take Sam Donald at twenty seven million next year.
Speaker 10: And that's again, Sam Donald has his choice of places
Speaker 10: to go. Sam Donald is not going to choose to
Speaker 10: come to your friends. Okay, where you had so like
Speaker 10: the situation.
Speaker 2: Oka, my Cousins doesn't cost you anything. If they release him,
Speaker 2: you can sign him for the minimum. Would you take
Speaker 2: her Cousins as Okay, that's what I'm.
Speaker 10: Saying to absolutely take her Cousins, But I'm not quarterback.
Speaker 10: I don't want to reach the Russell Wilson situation.
Speaker 2: Okay, would you take Russell Wilson as your starting quarterback
Speaker 2: in Cleveland?
Speaker 5: I would take Russell Wilson as a starting qui back
Speaker 5: in Cleveland.
Speaker 10: The Cleveland situation is different though, because they do they
Speaker 10: already have the cap space tied up in a quarterback.
Speaker 10: That situation is uniquely bad. But I generally agree with you.
Speaker 10: From building a franchise is no Again, the best quarterbacks
Speaker 10: in football. You can't think of any except for Joe Burrow,
Speaker 10: who started out in bad situations.
Speaker 5: They all start out in good situations.
Speaker 10: I think it's foolish for all these bad teams to
Speaker 10: think that they can draft Lebron James. Most of these
Speaker 10: quarterbacks developed in situations that were already good.
Speaker 5: Patrick Mahos best in the league.
Speaker 10: He came into a team that won the division like
Speaker 10: the Bills, went to the playoffs the year before the
Speaker 10: Ravens got Lamar at the end of the draft. Dak
Speaker 10: Prescott came into a ready loaded team, like all these
Speaker 10: really good teams or good quarterbacks came in a good situations.
Speaker 10: So I agree that you're right. I'm just trying to
Speaker 10: explain why they make these decisions that appear irrational. It's
Speaker 10: like they're rolling the dice and hoping that they hit.
Speaker 2: Was that kind of like a get up segment there
Speaker 2: that we were like fake yelling at each other. I
Speaker 2: don't know if you liked it, but we didn't. But
Speaker 2: you know what we didn't do. We didn't mention the Cowboys.
Speaker 2: So it's not a get up segment there.
Speaker 10: I said, Dak, don't try to get me fired from
Speaker 10: the worldwide leader.
Speaker 5: I know my responsibility. I even said they're looking for
Speaker 5: Lebron James in.
Speaker 2: The draft.
Speaker 10: Time.
Speaker 2: I love it. Thank you, Dominting, no problem man, Thanks
Speaker 2: a lot, Dan Dominique Foxworth.
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Speaker 2: Former head coach of the Cowboys, NBC Football Night in America,
Speaker 2: analyst Notre Dame football analyst. Always great to see Jason
Speaker 2: Garrett back on the program. Coach, good to talk to
Speaker 2: you again. Let me put you in the Minnesota Vikings situation.
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy coming off an injury, would you entertain the
Speaker 2: idea of bringing in Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 9: I don't like that decision for them right now. I
Speaker 9: think you want to create an atmosphe if you're in
Speaker 9: an environment for JJ McCarthy to be the quarterback of
Speaker 9: your team, and I don't think you want to have
Speaker 9: a guy who's as accomplished as Aaron has been throughout
Speaker 9: his career. I think you probably want to have a
Speaker 9: more traditional veteran backup who can go in and play
Speaker 9: for short periods of time. I think Aaron Rodgers wants
Speaker 9: to be a quarterback of one of the thirty two teams.
Speaker 9: I don't think he wants to be a backup. And
Speaker 9: I think you made that decision with pick ten last
Speaker 9: year that JJ McCarthy's going to be your guy, and
Speaker 9: I think you stick with it and create a great
Speaker 9: environment for him.
Speaker 2: What are the Steelers doing or what should they do?
Speaker 9: I think they should really entertain going to get Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 9: I really do he played better when he was healthier
Speaker 9: at the end of last year. For me, when you
Speaker 9: analyze his career, A really interesting crossroads came when Matt
Speaker 9: Laflora was hired as the head coach of the Packers
Speaker 9: and Aaron had done things a certain way in the
Speaker 9: system for a long time, and Matt Lafleur had come
Speaker 9: from an offense where they were under center more with
Speaker 9: the quarterback. They ran the ball, play action, maybe a
Speaker 9: little different than Aaron wanted to play, and I think
Speaker 9: there was probably some tension between those two guys early on,
Speaker 9: but eventually they kind of settled that, Hey, we're going
Speaker 9: to do some things that Aaron does well, but we're
Speaker 9: also going to do some things that I want to
Speaker 9: do as the head coach. I want to run the ball,
Speaker 9: I want to run play action stuff from under center.
Speaker 9: And they got to that marriage and I think that
Speaker 9: worked out well for them, And so in Pittsburgh, I
Speaker 9: would try to do the same thing. I would not
Speaker 9: do what the Jets did and say, Aaron, you're the quarterback,
Speaker 9: but you're also the offensive coordinator and let's play GM two.
Speaker 9: When you bring your guys in, I would fit them
Speaker 9: in and say, hey, this is the way we want
Speaker 9: to play in Pittsburgh. We want to play great defense,
Speaker 9: we want to run the ball, play action pass, and oh,
Speaker 9: by the way, we're going to create an environment for you,
Speaker 9: Aaron Rodgers, to do what you do best. And I
Speaker 9: would blend it that way. And I think we got
Speaker 9: forty one years old. Aaron Rodgers would embrace that. I
Speaker 9: think he'd embrace maybe taking some of the burden off
Speaker 9: of him to do everything every snap like he did
Speaker 9: for a long time. I think he would understand playing
Speaker 9: for one of these incredible foundational teams and the Pittsburgh
Speaker 9: Steelers like he did with the Packers. I think he'd
Speaker 9: embrace that. And I think if he could fit into
Speaker 9: how they want to play, I think it could be
Speaker 9: a good marriage.
Speaker 2: I'm wondering if you had contact with somebody before you
Speaker 2: signed them in free agency legally, but like Mike Tomlin,
Speaker 2: if you're Mike Tomlin, would you reach out to Aaron
Speaker 2: Rodgers and say, let's not waste time here if we
Speaker 2: can help each other great? Did you ever do that
Speaker 2: as the head coach of the Cowboys, to reach out
Speaker 2: to say I need to get an idea where you
Speaker 2: are right now?
Speaker 9: Well, I think you have to be really careful with
Speaker 9: tampering rules and all of that. I think everybody knows
Speaker 9: with how these free agency rules and logistics have changed
Speaker 9: in recent years, that they have this dead period to
Speaker 9: a lot of people talking to the dead period. But
Speaker 9: I think you got to be careful about being direct.
Speaker 9: But I do think they are representatives that can talk
Speaker 9: to representatives, can talk to representatives to get the idea
Speaker 9: out that Hey, we want you in Pittsburgh. What's your interest.
Speaker 2: Is it a resurgence of the running back position?
Speaker 9: Well not in my mind. The running back position never
Speaker 9: left in my mind. And I don't want to be
Speaker 9: one of those guys. But I've been banging this drum forever.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 9: I played for the Cowboys for eight years and we
Speaker 9: won three Super Bowls, and our running back was Emmett Smith,
Speaker 9: the leading rusher in NFL history, And I just saw
Speaker 9: the impact that he made on the entire team, the
Speaker 9: ability to run the football with the guy like that.
Speaker 9: We handed the ball to him twenty five times a game.
Speaker 9: He made the offensive line better, and the offensive line
Speaker 9: was really good. He made the quarterback better and the
Speaker 9: quarterback was really good. He made the receipts better, the
Speaker 9: tight ends better, he made the defense better, and all
Speaker 9: of those guys made him better. And it was just
Speaker 9: the way to play football. And we won three Super
Speaker 9: Bowls in four years. And I haven't changed from that,
Speaker 9: you know. When I became the head coach of the Cowboys,
Speaker 9: that's the kind of team we wanted to build. We
Speaker 9: drafted lineman, we drafted running backs. You know. DeMarco Murray
Speaker 9: in twenty fourteen led the league in rushing. Oh, by
Speaker 9: the way, it happened to be Tony Romo's best years
Speaker 9: of pro Dak Prescott in twenty sixteen won thirteen games
Speaker 9: as a rookie. Oh, by the way, Zeke Elliott led
Speaker 9: the league in rushing. You know. So the value of
Speaker 9: the running back to me has not changed. They're so impactful.
Speaker 9: And I've said this before, and Devin mccordy and I
Speaker 9: talk about this a lot. I think the New England
Speaker 9: Patriots and Tom Brady distorted the value of the running back.
Speaker 9: When Tom Brady's your quarterback, you can load up on
Speaker 9: defense and you can only you know, the draft lineman
Speaker 9: real high, and you don't really need an every down
Speaker 9: running back, you know, because he was so amazing at
Speaker 9: making the whole situation work. And then people said, hey,
Speaker 9: you know, you don't need running backs, you know, and
Speaker 9: not that they didn't have good running backs in New England.
Speaker 9: They had role player running backs. They didn't have the
Speaker 9: marquee guy that were going to hand the ball to
Speaker 9: twenty twenty five times a game. And for me, that
Speaker 9: changed everybody's perception of running backs that hey, you don't
Speaker 9: need this guy. Well maybe you don't if you have
Speaker 9: the best. If we're going to make Mount rushmore of players,
Speaker 9: the first facier chiseling is Tom Brady. Well, if you
Speaker 9: have that guy as your quarterback, maybe you don't need
Speaker 9: a running back. But short of that, the running back
Speaker 9: helps everybody else. And I do think it's fun for
Speaker 9: me to see the resurgence because I think it's just
Speaker 9: a reaffirmation of those values.
Speaker 2: We're talking to Jason Garrett Football Night in America analyst,
Speaker 2: But that brings me to Anshton Gent. We had an
Speaker 2: analyst who said, reminds me of Emmett Smith by faster.
Speaker 9: Did you tell that analyst that Emma Smith rush for
Speaker 9: over eighteen thousand yards in the NFL? Yeah, and he
Speaker 9: was kind of good if you remind you of Emmitt Smith,
Speaker 9: but he's faster, you probably should draft him. I just
Speaker 9: think you got to be careful of talking about reminds
Speaker 9: me of that, you know, one of the greatest players
Speaker 9: ever to play in the NFL. But you know, I
Speaker 9: can see what they're saying. He seems to be a
Speaker 9: guy that is not overly flashy, but it's hard to tackle.
Speaker 9: He's got excellent contact balance, always finishing forward. You know,
Speaker 9: those guys make a difference on your team. And you know,
Speaker 9: we were talking on Football Night in America all year long,
Speaker 9: maybe the last half of the year, who's going to
Speaker 9: be the MVP? And in about week seventeen, I blurted out,
Speaker 9: how about Saquon Barkley? Right? I mean, do you think
Speaker 9: he had an impact on that team? The offensive line
Speaker 9: was great. I get all that, but when you have
Speaker 9: a runner who rushes for twenty one hundred yards in
Speaker 9: sixteen games and you don't think that's going to positively
Speaker 9: impact your quarterback. One of the best things that Kellen
Speaker 9: Moore did in the Super Bowl Dan is he kept
Speaker 9: running the football. Saique I think was twenty four cares
Speaker 9: for fifty seven yards. There were forty seven Kansas City
Speaker 9: Chiefs on the line of scrimage trying to stop Sakuon Barkley, right,
Speaker 9: and all of a sudden, aj Brown is a big
Speaker 9: game and these receivers, well, it's because of the it's
Speaker 9: because of the runner and the threat of the running
Speaker 9: game that you have to load people up and you
Speaker 9: create favorable looks outside and it certainly helps your quarterback too.
Speaker 9: So if Gent is like Emmitt Smith but only faster,
Speaker 9: you should be the first pick of the draft.
Speaker 2: The Commanders were great surprise last year, but as I've
Speaker 2: cautioned people, they did win a lot of games on
Speaker 2: the last drive, should last second, and it's hard to
Speaker 2: sustain something like that. Yeah, Jane Daniels was wonderful and
Speaker 2: they have gone out and gotten some other pieces here,
Speaker 2: and I do like that. But if you're going to
Speaker 2: handicap Commanders in the Eagles, what's the what's the separation
Speaker 2: between those two, at least right now going into next season?
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think Philadelphia is still a cut above. And
Speaker 9: Philadelphia is losing players, and that's what happens when you
Speaker 9: have a championship team like they do, and they're so talented.
Speaker 9: But but Howie Roseman has done an amazing job building
Speaker 9: the team. And you know we're talking about it earlier.
Speaker 9: You know, one of one of Jeff Bezos's fourteen leadership
Speaker 9: principles is is great leaders are right a lot. And
Speaker 9: and you know.
Speaker 2: Can I become a billionaire if I come up with
Speaker 2: silly things like that?
Speaker 9: Yeah, but it's true. You know, if you simplify it,
Speaker 9: you got to be right a lot. And you have
Speaker 9: to be right in personnel because ultimately that's what separates teams.
Speaker 9: You can have the greatest personnel process there is. How
Speaker 9: we talk about it, how we go out on the road,
Speaker 9: our reports, all that kind of stuff. And when it
Speaker 9: comes to nutcutting time and you got to pick a player,
Speaker 9: you got to pick the right one. And Devin and
Speaker 9: I were laughing about it, would pick one. The New
Speaker 9: England Patriots took Tom Brady in the year two thousand,
Speaker 9: middle of the fourth round. In twenty sixteen, we drafted
Speaker 9: Dak Prescott. You know, there's a lot of other guys
Speaker 9: that you're talking about, you're thinking about, but you got
Speaker 9: to pick the right guys. And how he's done an
Speaker 9: amazing job both in free agency and in the draft
Speaker 9: picking the right guys for Philadelphia. So even though they're losing, guys,
Speaker 9: I have confidence in him to keep that thing going.
Speaker 2: Can you be honest with me, would the Cowboys have
Speaker 2: taken Connor Cook out of Michigan State if he was
Speaker 2: available to pick before you guys took Dak Connor Cook went.
Speaker 2: I think to the Raider from what I always told you,
Speaker 2: guys were higher on Connor Cook than Dak Prescott.
Speaker 9: Well, I'll take you through that whole draft. You know,
Speaker 9: you know, right at the top of the draft, we
Speaker 9: had the fourth pick and we drafted Zeke Elliott, which
Speaker 9: to me, it was a fantastic pick. He, you know,
Speaker 9: really changed our team in so many ways. But the
Speaker 9: quarterbacks went first, Jared Goff and Carson Wentz and then
Speaker 9: you know, the next guy up was Paxton Lynch. So
Speaker 9: there's conversation at the bottom of the first round about
Speaker 9: Paxton Lynch, should we trade up, should we do this?
Speaker 9: Should we do that? I mean a lot of conversations
Speaker 9: about that. And then you know, there were other guys
Speaker 9: I'm trying to think who was in the maybe in
Speaker 9: the third round somebody went and then and then it
Speaker 9: got to Connor Cook and the the Connor Cook discussion
Speaker 9: was more about he played in the dropback system at
Speaker 9: Michigan State. He was under center. You know, we felt
Speaker 9: like Dak Prescott was one of the five guys in
Speaker 9: the draft that could be a starting quarterback for us
Speaker 9: in the league. But he was a guy, and I'll
Speaker 9: be honest with you, I thought it was going to
Speaker 9: take him time because he played in the gun. There
Speaker 9: was a lot of quarterback run and at the time,
Speaker 9: that's not what we're doing, and so he had all
Speaker 9: the stuff, but it was like, huh, you know, he's
Speaker 9: probably two or three years away. Well, sure enough, he
Speaker 9: wins thirteen games as a rookie, so there goes that
Speaker 9: part of the evaluation. But we had no doubt about
Speaker 9: Dak in terms of we were all in on this
Speaker 9: guy can be our quarterback in the future. It just
Speaker 9: seemed like Connor Cook was more ready to be our
Speaker 9: backup right now and then possibly the quarterback in the future.
Speaker 9: And Oakland traded up to get him. We fell back.
Speaker 9: We took a defensive lineman from Oklahoma in the fourth
Speaker 9: before we took Dak in the fourth, so you know,
Speaker 9: all those different things when you reflex back got him.
Speaker 9: Certainly fell favorably for us. But he ended up being
Speaker 9: an amazing pick and a great player for US.
Speaker 2: So I was correct that you got. I just liked
Speaker 2: Connor Cook more than you did Dak Prescott.
Speaker 9: We did, Okay, We had healthy discussions about that.
Speaker 2: You guys like Paxton Lynch. Didn't Jerry love Paxton Lynch? Yeah?
Speaker 9: And you know one thing that that I always laugh
Speaker 9: about is that, you know, people go back afterwards in
Speaker 9: the draft and say, you know, there's like revisionist history.
Speaker 9: You guys would have taken him. You guys would to
Speaker 9: take you literally talk about three hundred players all day long. Hey,
Speaker 9: what would happen if this guy fell back? Would you
Speaker 9: trade up for him? So if you went back and
Speaker 9: and and transcribe those conversations, your history would be different. Right.
Speaker 9: You know there's always the story that Bill Walsh like
Speaker 9: Steve Dills better than Joe Montana. Well he ended up
Speaker 9: drafting Joe Montana.
Speaker 2: So I got all Cody Kessler, Cody Kessler, Christian Hackenberg,
Speaker 2: Jacoby brissaid, those are the other quarterbacks that were taken
Speaker 2: before Dak Prescott.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and we felt we felt great about Dak. I'll
Speaker 9: give you a good story about that. You know, Wade
Speaker 9: Wilson was our quarterback coach for years. I don't remember
Speaker 9: way we passed a few years ago, but he was
Speaker 9: one of my teammates. He played nineteen years in the NFL,
Speaker 9: and it was our quarterback forever. And Wade never liked quarterbacks,
Speaker 9: like he would go work guys out and you know,
Speaker 9: in for the draft. I mean, and I would say, Wade,
Speaker 9: what'd you think of that guy? He can't play. He
Speaker 9: can't play, he can't play. I mean, this went on
Speaker 9: for years. Dan, it went on for a year, and
Speaker 9: I'm like, he can't play, I can't play. I'm like,
Speaker 9: at some point we got to like one of these
Speaker 9: guys will never draft anybody, and I'll never forget it.
Speaker 9: I think it was a Friday night he called me
Speaker 9: early March leading up to that twenty sixteen draft, and
Speaker 9: he said, I think we got one. Oh well, I
Speaker 9: said what He's like, Yeah, I'm down here in Starkville, Mississippi.
Speaker 9: I think we got a quarterback. And he just raved
Speaker 9: about Dak. He loved him. And then and then if
Speaker 9: you remember this, like two weeks later, Dak gets a
Speaker 9: DUI yeah, yeah, And so I'm like, you know, he
Speaker 9: was the face of the program. Everybody loved him the
Speaker 9: whole deal. He had all the stuff you wanted. And
Speaker 9: he and he gets a DUI and I'm like, hey,
Speaker 9: here's our guy. What the heck you know? And and
Speaker 9: and over the next month or so, we had some
Speaker 9: real aggressive conversations with Dak about the whole process. And
Speaker 9: I'll tell you the quick story. We used to do
Speaker 9: this thing for about three hours with quarterbacks we're thinking
Speaker 9: about drafting. We get him in a room, a quarterback room,
Speaker 9: and it would be me and the time was Scott
Speaker 9: Lenehan who was our coordinator, and Wade and some other people,
Speaker 9: and and I would stand up there and I would
Speaker 9: put three plays in from our offense, three pass plays,
Speaker 9: five man protection of six man protection of seven man protection.
Speaker 9: I would talk really fast, use all our jargon, give
Speaker 9: him every rule that we had, talk about defense. This
Speaker 9: is what happened, debt dot dot dot dot. And then
Speaker 9: I would erase it and say, okay, you're up, and
Speaker 9: now you got to give it back to me. And
Speaker 9: I would interrupt them on purpose and talk really fast
Speaker 9: and see if they could retain information, see if they
Speaker 9: could spit it back. See how much football he knew
Speaker 9: all that, but we had a real question about about
Speaker 9: this thing with Dak Prescott, about this dui, because she
Speaker 9: just seems so out of character for him. So we
Speaker 9: get them up on the board and I'm talking really
Speaker 9: fast and put it all in and I'm like, all right,
Speaker 9: you're up. It's an empty whiteboard. Give me the first play.
Speaker 9: And he starts talking. He starts going through it, and
Speaker 9: about ten seconds into him like hey, stop, stop, stop,
Speaker 9: he hey, give me the story about this dui. Oh okay,
Speaker 9: And so I'm like, hey, get me to the bottom
Speaker 9: of this. And so he tells me the story. It
Speaker 9: was fantastic. It was so accountable and specific detail. I
Speaker 9: had a couple of margaritas after the workout. I was
Speaker 9: going thirty eight in the thirty I got pulled over
Speaker 9: or whatever. I mean. It was like and it was
Speaker 9: clean and it was direct and it was accountable and
Speaker 9: I'm sorry for it and whatever whatever. I'ma keep going.
Speaker 9: And so he draws up the rest of the play
Speaker 9: and we're asking him a questions, stop, hey, go back again.
Speaker 9: You know you're the face of the program at Mississippi State.
Speaker 9: You know this whole thing I'm peppering them, and he
Speaker 9: kind of stops and gives me another explanation. Okay, third time,
Speaker 9: he's getting drawn up another play. I stop one more
Speaker 9: time and he turns and it was a great answer.
Speaker 9: He said, I said, tell me what happened again on
Speaker 9: this deal. And he said, Coach, I don't know what
Speaker 9: you want to tell you. I told you exactly what happened.
Speaker 9: I took accountability for it whatever. And it was just
Speaker 9: a Dak Prescott answer. And I said to myself, I
Speaker 9: need to be quiet. So he finishes up the interview
Speaker 9: and he's phenomenal. I can't tell you how good he
Speaker 9: is mentally, he's just off the charts. So sure enough,
Speaker 9: he comes to the Cowboys, has an amazing start to
Speaker 9: his career. All of that. Wade Wilson tragically passes away
Speaker 9: about four years later. So we're at the repast after
Speaker 9: the funeral and Dak comes up to me. He says, Coach,
Speaker 9: I never told you this story. He said, you remember
Speaker 9: you did that meeting with me before the draft where
Speaker 9: you were talking really fast and you kept interrupting me
Speaker 9: and all of that. I said, yeah, he's like, Wade
Speaker 9: Wilson told me all the answers to the questions before
Speaker 9: I went in there, he said, he's going to ask
Speaker 9: you this. He's gonna ask you this. He's gonna ask
Speaker 9: you this. So he said, when I got a little
Speaker 9: frustrated when you kept parting with the question. I wasn't
Speaker 9: mad about the question about the DUI. I was mad
Speaker 9: that I was forgetting all the stuff that Wade had
Speaker 9: already told me it was a setup.
Speaker 2: That's great. Always great to talk to you. Thanks for sharing,
Speaker 2: and we'll talk to you soon. Thank you, Jason, you
Speaker 2: got it. Thanks Jason Garrett