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Speaker 1: But enough with that, let's get to the show. Good morning, everybody,

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Speaker 1: Happy Tuesday. We have an amazing show for everybody today.

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Speaker 1: What do we have, Crystal, Indeed we do. We have

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Speaker 1: more exclusive breaking news out of those leaked documents. We

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Speaker 1: also have a new response from the Planegon. It's really

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Speaker 1: quite extraordinary. I mean they're freaking out about this in

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Speaker 1: every way imaginable, So we'll get into that. We also

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Speaker 1: have some new interesting comments from Ukraine with regard to

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Speaker 1: their interests in India being a part of a potential

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Speaker 1: peace process that we'll bring you those critical details as well.

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Speaker 1: Ron de Santis moving forward in the Florida legislature with

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Speaker 1: a six week abortion ban. Now, this is the guy

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Speaker 1: who was framing himself as the like more electable alternative

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Speaker 1: to Trump and yet on this particular issue, he's wildly

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Speaker 1: out of step with the American people. What will that

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Speaker 1: mean for his potential campaign. We'll get into all of that.

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Speaker 1: We also have Joe Biden being Joe Biden, sort of

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Speaker 1: like accidentally making news in the most bumbling way possible.

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Speaker 1: You definitely want to watch that clip. And we're going

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Speaker 1: to dig into Justice Thomas and the bombshell report about

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Speaker 1: corruption and his failure to disclose elaborate luxury trips worth

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Speaker 1: calls for him to be impeached. So we will give

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Speaker 1: you all of the details there, but we wanted to

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Speaker 1: start with the very latest with regards to those leak

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Speaker 1: docs and what we have been able to glean from them. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's right. We're in a very advantageous position as I

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Speaker 1: has taken some interesting chicanery to obtain on our part,

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Speaker 1: and so what we have been doing is going through

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Speaker 1: and finding the stories, some being reported by mainstream media,

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Speaker 1: but many others significantly downplayed. Same proviso at the top.

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Speaker 1: Everything that we're reporting today, we sent to the Pentagon

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Speaker 1: The Pentagon, actually, and interestingly, which they rarely do, responded

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Speaker 1: public record. Is the direct transcript where the Defense Secretary

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Speaker 1: he has are two talking points. Number One, we are

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Speaker 1: careful when dealing with Ukrainians because they desire to escalate

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Speaker 1: go to the final part here about these documents. Just

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Speaker 1: how did these come about? So, like I said, Bellincat,

435
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Speaker 1: which you know, it's an organization, very controversial. They did

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Speaker 1: their investigation. How other outlets are looking into it, relying

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Speaker 1: on little bits and clues. Let's go ahead and put

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Speaker 1: this up there on the screen. The Wall Street Journal,

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Speaker 1: relying both on Bellingcat reporting but some of their own

440
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Speaker 1: original reporting, says one of the most significant leaks of

441
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Speaker 1: highly classified information in recent history began amongst a small

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Speaker 1: group of posters on a messaging channel that were trafficked

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Speaker 1: in memes, jokes, and quote racist talk. Now, first of all,

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Speaker 1: any Internet community that is anonymous will of course devolve

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Speaker 1: into all kinds of shit posting, So let's not say

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Speaker 1: that that's necessarily a bad thing for this group. Now,

447
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 1: what exactly was posted there? An anonymous member of this group,

448
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 1: which has just over a dozen users, started posting files,

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Speaker 1: many labeled as top secret sometime in January, including some

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Speaker 1: of the intercepted communications we've talked about here about US

451
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 1: allies the details of American penetration plans inside of Russia. Then,

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Speaker 1: these documents, which actually at one time numbered in the hundreds,

453
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Speaker 1: actually stayed in this tiny discord group up until early March.

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Speaker 1: Basically nobody in the group found it significant enough to publicize.

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Speaker 1: Nobody even Discord was really aware of it, nobody in

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Speaker 1: the public. And over these one to two month period

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Speaker 1: more and more of these documents began appearing inside of

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Speaker 1: this discord. Then, though, another user who was part of

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Speaker 1: this group reposted several dozen images to another group with

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Speaker 1: a much larger audience. This is kind of when the

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00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 1: trail picks up. That is where at quote at least

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Speaker 1: ten files migrated to a Minecraft computer game Discord server.

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Speaker 1: Then what happened is that on Wednesday, Russian propaganda accounts

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Speaker 1: on Telegram, which I have now joined, so thank you Telegram.

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Speaker 1: My phone is now full of crylic messaging. They what

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Speaker 1: they did is they took those repurposed. Specifically, the Kia

467
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 1: document spread like wildfire, and that's when Counterpoints covered it

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Speaker 1: for the very first time on Friday with the initial indication.

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Speaker 1: Since that time on Friday, the Counterpoints covered it, we

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Speaker 1: and some other outlets have been able to obtain a

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Speaker 1: portion of these documents. Unfortunately we have nobody, it seems

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Speaker 1: bit from what I can tell, and I've gone deep,

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Speaker 1: has the original set of the hundreds of documents that

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Speaker 1: this man posted. Discord nuked the original server. They nuked

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Speaker 1: the Minecraft server as well, and currently you know, we

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Speaker 1: have about half of what was publicly posted on these

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Speaker 1: on this website. But the other By the way, if

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Speaker 1: you have them, police, please send it to us. I

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Speaker 1: would love to read it. But from what I can tell,

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Speaker 1: based on some of the forensic other people that I've

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Speaker 1: interacted with around this crystal, they kind of appear to

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Speaker 1: be gone. Yeah, for us, none the mainstream outlet's have

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Speaker 1: the meme. No nobody, everybody like the most anybody has

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Speaker 1: is what we've been able to obtain and so yeah,

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Speaker 1: those original documents, like i'd have to pursue presume you'd

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Speaker 1: have to presume the Russian government has them, You'd have

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Speaker 1: to presume that the US government has them. But they

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Speaker 1: have managed to it seems like Holly scrub them from

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Speaker 1: the Internet. I mean, one of the things that's fascinating

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Speaker 1: here is sometimes you can delude yourself into thinking that

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Speaker 1: the US government it acts in the way that it's

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Speaker 1: portrayed in the military, in the in the movies like

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Speaker 1: this Super you know, high tech, they're on top of

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Speaker 1: their game in every way. But it's extraordinary these documents.

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Speaker 1: They were hanging out there for months before anybody noticed,

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Speaker 1: before the US government noticed, And I mean, you can

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Speaker 1: sort of understand it, because how could you possibly be

498
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Speaker 1: monitoring like all of the twenty thousand discord servers, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: But it's just kind of wild to think that this

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Speaker 1: top secret, highly classified information has been out there publicly

501
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: posted for months and it only just recently came to

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Speaker 1: the attention of the news media and the US government,

503
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: who are completely scrambling now. And you know, they had

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Speaker 1: a quote in here to give you a sense of

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00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: how freaked out they how angry and upset and like humiliate,

506
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: embarrassed whatever they are about this disclosure. They interviewed a

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Speaker 1: former FBI senior executive who now is with some government

508
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Speaker 1: contracting firm, and he said they're going to be looking

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Speaker 1: to get to the bottom of who did it as

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Speaker 1: expeditiously as possible. They're going to be sparing no resource.

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Speaker 1: The FBI is approaching this as if someone has committed

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Speaker 1: a treasonous act. And one of the things they point

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Speaker 1: to that will be relevant in terms of their search

514
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 1: is something we mentioned briefly yesterday, which is that if

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00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 1: you look at these documents, you know it's they were

516
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: folded up, they're unfolded. They try to like flatten them

517
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,679
Speaker 1: ount and then they just laid them on top of

518
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 1: like whatever was around and took pictures of them. And

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00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: so in the background of the documents you can see

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00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: what they describe as a variety of items that you

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00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: can see in the margin of the photos, including gorilla glue, shoes,

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Speaker 1: and instructions for a glasshawk HD spotting scope, details they

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00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 1: say could facilitate the search for the leaker. So they

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00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: are going to come after this individual or individuals with

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00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: the full force of the US government. But you know,

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00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 1: in my opinion, this person, frankly is a hero ohes

527
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: to get this kind of accurate, you know, very recent,

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00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: like weeks old, information about the US's view of this war,

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Speaker 1: what we're doing, what our understanding of what Ukraine is doing,

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Speaker 1: understanding of what Russia is doing, are understanding of what

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Speaker 1: our allies are doing. It's absolutely critical for the US

532
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 1: public to be informed about the reality of what's happening,

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00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: not the spin that's being fed to us by the

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Speaker 1: US government and regurgitating and regurgitated in large part by

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Speaker 1: mainstream news outlets. And the last thing I'll say, Soccer

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00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: is I think it's been telling too some of these outlets.

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't want to the smirk them. They've

538
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Speaker 1: done a good job reporting something sound. I think the

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00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: New York Times in particular, like publishing some of the documents,

540
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 1: but the way they frame it, you know, it's very

541
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Speaker 1: selective in the pieces that they choose to report out.

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00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: And you know, one of the parts that's certainly most

543
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Speaker 1: sensitive is the fact that Ukraine is may have already

544
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: run out of like their air defense missiles and the

545
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: location of their air defenses. All of that is very

546
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: sensitive and that got reported out understandably so, but that's

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Speaker 1: the sort of thing that can actually strengthen the hand

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Speaker 1: of the hawk by saying like, oh, we got to

549
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: do more, and we got to help them, and we

550
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: got to send him fight our jets, et cetera. Things

551
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: like China's red lines, things like the fact that Zelensky

552
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: does want to strike within Russia and the only reason

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00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: he hasn't is because we haven't provided long term missiles.

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00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,719
Speaker 1: Interesting that those pieces don't get reported out. And then

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00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: the other thing that they consistently emphasize is like, Oh,

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00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,479
Speaker 1: we're so deep inside of like Russia. We've got these

557
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: great sources in terms of Russia, We've infiltrated all of

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Speaker 1: their various agencies, et cetera. So even the way that

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00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: this has been reported out by the mainstream press, I

560
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: think has been revealing of a particular hawkish bias that

561
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: exists across the board. Whoa absolutely, I mean even today,

562
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: first the front page editorial from Wall Street Journal wartime

563
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: intelligence leaks can sink allies and they're basically going after

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Speaker 1: the leaker, being like he's responsible for possibly sinking Ukraine.

565
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: And this is America's fault. No, it's whatever has happened

566
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: here is not on the leaker. If anything, it's on

567
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: the US government for lying to us and the Ukrainians

568
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: rankly about what their intentions are and about their ability

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Speaker 1: to sustain You're the ones who lied. He just told

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Speaker 1: us the true or she whoever this person is. I'm

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Speaker 1: guessing he just based on some of the paraphernalia in

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Speaker 1: the background. But whoever this person is, they did us

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Speaker 1: all a great service. In fact, in the history of

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Speaker 1: significant military leaks, this appears to be probably the most

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Speaker 1: significant national security leak since the Edward Snowden documents. And

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Speaker 1: in those documents, what a lot of analysts have been

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Speaker 1: saying is what makes us one the most extraordinary is

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Speaker 1: the real time nature of it. Is that you and

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Speaker 1: I can sit here, I've literally got the doc in

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Speaker 1: front of me, and i can read what President Zelensky

581
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: was privately saying. According to the US intelligence community a

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Speaker 1: month and a half ago. That is that's really the

583
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: crazy part. Some of the biggest revelations from Wiki leaks

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00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: and other they were years old. Now at that point,

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying they weren't important. They absolutely were. The

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Speaker 1: Wiki leaks. What even in terms of the National Security Age,

587
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Speaker 1: the NSA leaks that Edward Snowden gave us, these were

588
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Speaker 1: programs that were sp spent, spun up Post nine to eleven.

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00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: They detailed the security and forstructionally them in place for decades.

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00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,239
Speaker 1: I mean, this is real time data from only a

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Speaker 1: month ago about Ukraine's possible counter offensive. Oh turns out

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00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: that the US intelligence and military community privately believes there's

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Speaker 1: no way that they're going to have a successful Spring

594
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Speaker 1: counter offensive. They also believe the same thing for Russia.

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00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: Some of the other leagues. One we didn't even get

596
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Speaker 1: to is Egypt. You know this is a crazy league. Egypt.

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00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: It was inside the docks. The Washington Post ended up

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Speaker 1: reporting it out. They on February first, were privately going

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Speaker 1: to send weapons to Russia. They are the second largest

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Speaker 1: recipient of US military aid in the world, and they

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Speaker 1: did so privately right after Secretary of State Anthony Blincoln

602
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: was there on the ground, we have no respect, like

603
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: the rest of the world looks at us like a joke.

604
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: They're willing to take our money, but then they won't

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00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: even do what we want them to do. I'm not

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00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: saying Egypt do what we want them to do. More.

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Speaker 1: What I'm saying is it is clear that outside of

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Speaker 1: the Western world, the entire Ukraine first narrative, Russia bad

609
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: all this stuff, they are just not buying it. That

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Speaker 1: we're not just talking about Brazil, India, and China. We

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00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: are talking about each We're talking about South Korea, We're

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Speaker 1: talking about Israel, some of the closest US allies over decades.

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Speaker 1: So I think that is the most significant important thing

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Speaker 1: that has come out of these documents. And unfortunately, though,

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Speaker 1: given the small number of people that were inside this

616
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: discord server Crystal, it doesn't take a genius to figure

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00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: out that all the DOJ has to do is subpoena

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00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: the IP addresses of all ten twelve people who or

619
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: whatever who are inside of this thing. And you know,

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Speaker 1: whoever it is, good luck to you. That's all I

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00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,959
Speaker 1: can say. Yeah, yeah, for sure. There was also some

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00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: stuff in there about the UAE deepening there oh okays

623
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: right with Russia. That was one that the mainstream press

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Speaker 1: has reported. In mid January, officials claimed UAE security service

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00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: officials in Russia had agreed to work together against US

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Speaker 1: and UK intelligence agencies. According to Newly acquired signals intelligence.

627
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Speaker 1: That's from one of these documents as well. So it

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Speaker 1: really does show you as you were saying that, you know,

629
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Speaker 1: what we wanted the world to do with regard to

630
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: the Ukraine War is not did not come to fruition

631
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: even within NATO. I mean you see, you know France

632
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Speaker 1: and Germany who certainly have a different view towards China

633
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: and different approach here. There's a lot of divides and

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00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: we have been wildly unable to really get the world

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Speaker 1: on our side and convince them that this is truly

636
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: some fight over democratic values or human rights or anything

637
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: love the sort. They're not buying it. Let's go to

638
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: our next block here. This is probably the most significant

639
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: event actually outside of the League documents. So currently the

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00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:51,479
Speaker 1: Ukrainian Deputy Foreign Minister is traveling around the world in

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Speaker 1: a bid to try and get countries to broker peace.

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00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: One of those is New Delhi. Let's go and put

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00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: this up though or on the screen. The Deputy Foreign

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00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,479
Speaker 1: Minister actually appeared on national television and wants New Delhi

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00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: to quote be more involved in helping resolve its conflict

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Speaker 1: with Russia and has even sought now an actual private

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Speaker 1: visit by Indian Prime Minister Naram the Ramoli and other

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Speaker 1: top officials to Kiev. She told the broadcaster that Kiev

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Speaker 1: has expected India to invite Ukrainian politicians as well to

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Speaker 1: participate in the G twenty and intensify political dialogue that

651
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Speaker 1: is happening in India, incepts that will be held in September,

652
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: where New Delhi is actually hosting the event. The reason

653
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: why that this is so important is a couple over ones. One.

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Speaker 1: India was the bore a tremendous amount of brunt of

655
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Speaker 1: public criticism in the West and specifically here in the

656
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Speaker 1: US for not going along with sanctioning Russia and specifically

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Speaker 1: for continuing to buy Russian oil. They were you know, oh,

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Speaker 1: they're taking the Russian side. They're taking the side of

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Speaker 1: the barbarians. They're not, you know, standing up for Ukraine

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Speaker 1: and India from the beginning was like, look, we're not

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Speaker 1: saying we like what's going on in Russia. They're like,

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Speaker 1: but we're gonna buy cheap oil if you idiots aren't

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Speaker 1: gonna buy it. And in terms of this whole democracy

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Speaker 1: you know, under attack thing, They're like, that's just not

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Speaker 1: how we see the world. We do what's best for

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Speaker 1: our country. It's realism, literally, one oh one. Well, I

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Speaker 1: find it incredibly ironic that now whenever Ukraine appears to

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Speaker 1: be wanting help brokering peace deals, and I think we

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Speaker 1: know why if we take a look at those classified

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Speaker 1: slides around Ukrainian air defense, who are they turning to India, China,

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Speaker 1: France three of the countries which France you know, of course,

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Speaker 1: is applied weapons. Ukraine has always not really been on

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Speaker 1: board with the US and the UK and the the

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Speaker 1: like Latvia, Estonia, the Baltic states in their hawk istry

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Speaker 1: of the conflict. They have always wanted piece. That's why

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Speaker 1: Macron was inside. It was literally just in Beijing. Our

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Speaker 1: producer mac flagged a video where he released this bizarre

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Speaker 1: China highlight reel of his visit to Beijing where he's like,

679
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: He's like, French loves Beijing. We all have great friends.

680
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 1: It's all fun, fun and games. Apparently his visit did

681
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Speaker 1: not go very well. Jichhingping kind of laughed him off

682
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Speaker 1: the stage and he committed a very bad diplomatic faux pa.

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Speaker 1: But once again, when Ukraine wants weapons and they want

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Speaker 1: the conflicts to keep going, they come to Washington when

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Speaker 1: they actually want peace. They're not coming to Washington. They're

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Speaker 1: going to New Delhi. That's what they want Prime Minister

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Speaker 1: Modi to visit them. And here's the other thing. If

688
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Speaker 1: you're Modi, why would you do it? At this point?

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Speaker 1: You have been denigrated, You have been you have been

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Speaker 1: criticized by Zelenski himself for continue to buy Russian oil.

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Speaker 1: You have been ostracized by the West, you know, pointed

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Speaker 1: to is some war criminal by proxy? What do you care?

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Speaker 1: You know at this point? Well, I don't think that's

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Speaker 1: the way to look at it, because even though they have,

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Speaker 1: you know, done what was best for them in terms

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Speaker 1: of trying to buy cheap Russian gas, they still have

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Speaker 1: been impacted by the elevated food prices and trade disruptions

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Speaker 1: and elevated energy prices. So I do think that there

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Speaker 1: is a even if you're just looking cold heart self interest,

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Speaker 1: I think they are directly self interested in being a

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Speaker 1: part of resolving this conflict. And I also think that

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00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: you know, in terms of like global prestige, you can't,

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Speaker 1: you know, you can't do better than being a critical

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Speaker 1: part of trying to broker a piece here. That's so

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Speaker 1: first of all, you're right, there is a hard power

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Speaker 1: case for why they may want to bring it. But second,

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Speaker 1: in terms of why and the only way that this

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Speaker 1: might actually work, it would be because this would elevate

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Speaker 1: India basically to great power status, because I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: that they necessarily aren't, but this really would put them

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Speaker 1: effectively on the league of DC Beijing and would put

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Speaker 1: New Delhi right up there. Because if they were to

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Speaker 1: do this, which not necessarily all that much in their

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Speaker 1: self interest somewhat but not necessarily, that would elevate them

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Speaker 1: to the status of brokering peace deals which are in

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Speaker 1: the interest of the two parties, because they have diplomat

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Speaker 1: relations with both. Mody you know, has that has had

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Speaker 1: that visit with Prime Minister or the President Putin He also,

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Speaker 1: I mean he hasn't visited Ukraine, but he hasn't also

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Speaker 1: of course been like entirely on the Russian side in

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Speaker 1: the way that Beijing has. This might be the only

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Speaker 1: actual honest broker in the conflict, which would elevate them

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Speaker 1: significantly and give them prestige. But you know, speaking also

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Speaker 1: from a Washington perspective, that's not what you want, Like

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Speaker 1: you are the ones who are supposed to be the

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Speaker 1: global priestmakers, you know, trying to do shuttle diplomacy. That's

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Speaker 1: the Kissingerian model. That's something we prided ourselves for years.

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Speaker 1: We have no impact on it, We have no influence

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Speaker 1: in this well and this whatsoever. Because once you take sides,

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Speaker 1: and who is going to trust you to be a

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Speaker 1: neutral broker exactly? I mean really clear here We're going

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Speaker 1: to talk later about Yemen. Is clear there. It is

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Speaker 1: clear with regard to Iron and sat when you take

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Speaker 1: clear sides in a conflict, they're not going to come

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Speaker 1: to you for peace. They're going to go to countries

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Speaker 1: like India or China or Brazil, nations that have tried

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Speaker 1: to at least publicly maintain some sort of a plausible

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Speaker 1: deniability and neutral status. So I also think that this

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Speaker 1: these revelations, you know, this approach to India, it really

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Speaker 1: helps to understand why you're now seeing overtures from Zelenski

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Speaker 1: to nations like India or even nations like China in

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Speaker 1: terms of trying to forge some sort of a diplomatic deal.

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Speaker 1: Also some indications from them that they, you know, are

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Speaker 1: willing to not try to retake Crimea because you can

745
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Speaker 1: see within these documents that they're not in a strong

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Speaker 1: position strategically, and they know that, you know, the US

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00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: has been giving them a blank check, but that may

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Speaker 1: not last forever. And they're already critically low of you know,

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Speaker 1: certainly air defenses, also ammunition, that they are in a

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Speaker 1: difficult place that they don't expect this spring offensive to

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00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 1: yield anything more than an indefinite stalemate. So that's why

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00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: there is a new seeming interest from Zelenski and actually

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Speaker 1: having some sort of negotiated settlement to bring this conflict

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Speaker 1: to a close. And it is a catastrophe and embarrassing

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Speaker 1: that the US has short circuited any potential peace negotiations

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Speaker 1: to date and is being effectively shut out and understandably so,

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Speaker 1: of any possible conversations about a diplomatic resolution. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: we actually have some of the comments that the Ukrainian

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Speaker 1: Deputy Foreign Minister made, let's take a listen to that

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Speaker 1: the presidency in G twenty is an important and essential

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Speaker 1: role for India. So of course we believe that India

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Speaker 1: should be engaged and involved into Ukrainian issue to a

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Speaker 1: great extent. We are not in the position of instructing India.

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Speaker 1: Of course, we do respect the decisions that are taken

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Speaker 1: by India and Prime minist Marremodi with his three D

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Speaker 1: attitude diplomacy, dialogue democracy, with his message that he delivered

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Speaker 1: in Samarkan that there is no era of war, and

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Speaker 1: we do accept it and we do share this message.

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Speaker 1: But we think that India's global rule, especially with the

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Speaker 1: adverts with the press in twenty with regards to the

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Speaker 1: influence in the global self and sharing experience with the

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Speaker 1: global seuth and being and living country for the Asian

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Speaker 1: African countries is important to also not escape discussion about

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Speaker 1: Ukraine because it might seem regional here, it might seem

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Speaker 1: distant from here, but it's not. She's referencing Prime Minister

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Speaker 1: Modi's speech whenever he appeared before Vladimir Putin and he said,

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Speaker 1: this is not an age of war. It's kind of

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Speaker 1: a you know, kind of a rebuke to Putin's face

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Speaker 1: that happened there. But look, it's just to me, I

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Speaker 1: love watching how the Ukrainians act when they're not acting

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Speaker 1: in a Western context, whenever they're not here in their

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Speaker 1: military outfits, begging for weapons and they're outside of the

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Speaker 1: rest of the world. Trying to talk to them. It's

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Speaker 1: a very different tune, and I think that tune is

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Speaker 1: exactly what you see there, and the fact that they

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00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: can't reach out to Washington, they have to look to

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Speaker 1: the rest of the world. People who were vilified for

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00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: keeping a neutral stance in this conflict now being the

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Speaker 1: ones who might actually be able to bring it to

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Speaker 1: an end. And I think that vindicates a lot of

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00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: Indian strategy, Brazilian strategy, and many others who decided not

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00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: to take one side in this. I hope it's successful,

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00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 1: so we'll keep a close eye on it. And wanted

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00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: to turn to domestic politics and what is unfolding right

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00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: now down in Florida. So we've been talking about the

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Speaker 1: fact that abortion politics, ever since Rowe was overturned in

797
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: the Dab Supreme Court decision, have been a total electoral

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00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: disaster for Republicans wherever you stand on the issue. I

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00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 1: just don't think that's deniable at this point. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you saw the pro choice position winning in places like Kansas.

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Speaker 1: Just last week, we had in Wisconsin, the most fifty

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Speaker 1: to fifty state you could possibly get. You have the

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Speaker 1: state Supreme Court seat that is won overwhelmingly by a

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Speaker 1: liberal candidate who was running on abortion access and she

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00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: wins by eleven points in the state of Wisconsin. So

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Speaker 1: I think the electoral significance of this issue is pretty

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00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: clear At this point. However, Ron DeSantis is moving forward

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Speaker 1: with quite an extreme bill that is being passed right

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Speaker 1: now through the Florida legislature. Let's go ahead and put

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00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: this up on the screen. So he is in the

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Speaker 1: lords of political politico, charging ahead on a six week

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Speaker 1: abortion ban. They say that the governor's support might seem

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Speaker 1: politically risky, but he's been backing restrictive abortion policy for years.

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Speaker 1: Apparently he initially signaled support for a six week abortion

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Speaker 1: ban during his first race for governor. Currently in Florida,

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Speaker 1: they've instituted a fifteen week ban that includes some exemptions

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Speaker 1: for the life of the mother, but very limited, and

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Speaker 1: I can give you some more details on that. In

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Speaker 1: a moment. You have people who are on the religious right,

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Speaker 1: who are pro life activists really praising him from making

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Speaker 1: this move. They say it makes it clear that DeSantis

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Speaker 1: is solidly pro life and he's trying to move the

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Speaker 1: ball for the protection of the unborn and can be

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Speaker 1: trusted to do that. In the future. That's according to

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Speaker 1: the president of the Florida Family Policy Council. And you've

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Speaker 1: got some Republican consults I think this is interesting around

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Speaker 1: interested to get your reaction on this, who are basically

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Speaker 1: saying Desanta's whole play here is to have his list

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Speaker 1: of policy accomplishments through the Florida legislature be what positions

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Speaker 1: him properly for the Republican primary. So you've got one

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Speaker 1: top Republican Florida consultant saying if he decides to run,

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Speaker 1: he wants to have the most robust cultural and policy

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Speaker 1: conservative list of accomplishments. This makes him pervious to hits

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Speaker 1: from the right. And to show you how complicated this is,

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Speaker 1: even in the state of Florida, some of the Republicans

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Speaker 1: who won in Biden districts actually are not backing the

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Speaker 1: six week band. So even within the state of Florida,

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00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: even among the Republican Party, this is quite controversial. But

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Speaker 1: you know, personally, I think if DeSantis believes that his

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Speaker 1: positioning within the Republican primary is going to be based

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Speaker 1: on whatever he does in the Florida legislative session, I

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Speaker 1: don't know what race he's writing. Well, this is the issue.

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Speaker 1: Let's look at this on the merits. So first of all,

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Speaker 1: for the people who are willing to have abortion be

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Speaker 1: more of a comps issue, you're going to vote for Trump.

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Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you vote for Trump? That's actually one third

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Speaker 1: of the people who voted for Trump in twenty sixteen

848
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Speaker 1: were pro choice. They just didn't care that much. Then,

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Speaker 1: if you are trying to win hardline abortion voters, like evangelicals,

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Speaker 1: why wouldn't they just vote for Mike Pence, who's going

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Speaker 1: to be for a national abortion band. They're like, he's

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Speaker 1: like six weeks. What are you talking about? Six weeks?

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Speaker 1: That's way too much. I'm for a full scale ban. Now,

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00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,479
Speaker 1: not a lot of people are for it, but those

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00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: maybe thirteen percent or whatever of the country, but they

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00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: all vote Republican and they're all evangelicals, and they're going

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00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 1: to support somebody like Pence. So who exactly are you

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Speaker 1: targeting here? Basically pushing legislation which is dramatically politically unpopular

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Speaker 1: on a national level and most likely in the state

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Speaker 1: of Florida. And then second, you are trying to do

861
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: it to burnish your credentials in an almost like targeted

862
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: way that somehow strikes at exactly the middle of nowhere,

863
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 1: Like there are two chasms in the debate. There's Trump

864
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,919
Speaker 1: who thinks that the Row versus Way overturn he will

865
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 1: take credit for it, knows as a disaster, Yeah, And

866
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: then there's Pence who is like, no, we didn't go

867
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: far enough. We need to outright ban abortion. Who are

868
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: you going for? There's just not a lot of voters

869
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: in the six week category. They're either basically for a

870
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 1: ban or they're like ish pro life, I guess. And

871
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: then a lot of people, and even those people most

872
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: likely vote for Trump says he's the one who got

873
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 1: Roe versus Wade over Tay overturn, or there's just straight

874
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: up pro choice voters, which is some seventy five percent

875
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: or whatever of the entire country. Matt Aglaci has made

876
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: actually a good point about this, which is Ronda Santis's best,

877
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: most compelling lane in the Republican primary is like, I'm

878
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: a more electable version of Trump. And I've always been

879
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: skeptical that that was going to be a winning argument because, frankly,

880
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: I just don't think the GOP base, I don't think

881
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: they see it that way. I think they believe Trump

882
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: is perfectly electable. After all, here was president before. I

883
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: don't think they put the priority on electability that the

884
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: Democratic base seems to. So I was always skeptical of

885
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: that case. But that's his strongest argument. Is like, if

886
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: you want to beat Joe Biden the Democrat, you might

887
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: like Donald Trump. But now we've got a record of

888
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: several election cycles that didn't go well for Republicans. Let's

889
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: go with the guy who is more electable. Passing a

890
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 1: six week abortion ban, which is insanely unpopular in Florida

891
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 1: and everywhere else. It's not even really popular with the

892
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: Republican base. It's popular with like the most activist part

893
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 1: of the religious right, no doubt about it. But this

894
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 1: is insanely unpopular. How does that make you more electable

895
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 1: in a general election? And it's not just done this,

896
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: I mean Trump has been hitting him hard on social

897
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: Security and Medicare. DeSantis has positioned himself in terms of

898
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: policy and ideology to the right of Trump, especially on

899
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 1: issues where the Republican elite like hard right position is

900
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: actually out of step, definitely with the country and actually

901
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: with a significant part of the Republican base. So, in

902
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: my opinion, when you look at this, he's damaging his

903
00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:01,280
Speaker 1: ability to make that electability argument, which is the strongest

904
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 1: case that he really can make, both to GOP voters

905
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: and to the donors that he will need in order

906
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 1: to back his campaign. Just to underscore this and how

907
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: unpopular this position is, and frankly, this is actually this

908
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 1: was not cherry pick. This is one of the maybe

909
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: the more beneficial polls in terms of the six week

910
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 1: abortion ban. Like it shows that having higher numbers than

911
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: I've seen in some other polls, but I didn't want

912
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: to like sandbag the case. So this is from the

913
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,919
Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal. According to their survey. First of all,

914
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: sixty percent of voters now say abortion should be legal

915
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: in all or most cases. That has actually gone up

916
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 1: by five points and reflects the fact that since the

917
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: Dobbs decision, which overturned Row versus Weighed, support for abortion

918
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: rights nationwide has actually gone up, So the pro choice

919
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: position hasn't stayed this fifty to fifty issue that people

920
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: have assumed. The pro choice position has actually become significantly

921
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,760
Speaker 1: more popular, not just in this poll but other polls

922
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: as well. Twenty nine percent said it should be illegal

923
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Speaker 1: except in cases of rape incest, and when the women's

924
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Speaker 1: women's life is in danger, six percent say it should

925
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: be illegal in all cases. Okay, that's down from what

926
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: it used to be was at eleven percent, which was

927
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: still very low, but again shows you that shift. When

928
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:20,240
Speaker 1: you're specifically talking about an abortion ban at six weeks

929
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: of pregnancy, sixty two percent oppose that ban, just about

930
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: twenty five percent. Twenty five percent say they support a

931
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: six week abortion ban. So this is a wildly unpopular position.

932
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: And we have also seen you know, sometimes things are unpopular,

933
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: but they're not particularly motivating to voters. This issue has

934
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:46,760
Speaker 1: been extremely motivating for voters in a way that again

935
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 1: I didn't necessarily foresee. No, no, I don't. I didn't

936
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: foresee it nearly either, I think really because what it

937
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 1: did is it activated a bunch of people who just

938
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,879
Speaker 1: don't vote that much. I mean, that's where we really

939
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: saw in Wisconsin. I also would just say it really

940
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: under scores the biggest political noose around the Republicans. Next,

941
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 1: they outperformed dramatically and many elections in Wisconsin except for

942
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 1: one that happened to do with abortion. So if the

943
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Speaker 1: Democrats can make twenty twenty four all about abortion, it

944
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: will be dramatically to their benefit. It puts Trump in

945
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,439
Speaker 1: a very difficult political position, and you know, I don't

946
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: really know how he can possibly wriggle his way out

947
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 1: of that one, because you can't disavow your own voters

948
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: while also trying to win over swing voter because they

949
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: basically are diametrically opposed. I saw Ryan Gerduski, who is

950
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: a Desantist supporter, say that the six week ban is

951
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: the single most unpopular thing that Grand DeSantis has ever done,

952
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: you know. And it's interesting too, because that's where the

953
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:45,879
Speaker 1: institutional GOP is most aligned with him. Yeah, and that's

954
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: always going to be the toughest one to square. As

955
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Speaker 1: someone who has had three babies, at six weeks, it

956
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: is rare that you even know that you're pregnant, Like

957
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: that's how early you're talking. There's already stories. I was

958
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 1: just reading these horrible cases that the Washington Post documented

959
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 1: with the fifteen week ban, which has these limited exceptions

960
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: for the life of the mother. But it's only when

961
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 1: you really like are on death's door that they will

962
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: you know, even with the fifteen week ban, if you're

963
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 1: beyond that, that they will actually perform the abortion when

964
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: mother's life may not be you know, imminently in danger

965
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 1: right at that second, but it's very much at risk.

966
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: They documented these two women who around week eighteen, their

967
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: water broke. Now this is you know, long before fetal viability,

968
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 1: and these were women who had struggled to carry pregnancies

969
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: to term in the past, and in any other you

970
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: know state where abortion is legal, the standard of care

971
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: is that you offer the women at least the ability

972
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: to have the abortion. The baby is not going to live.

973
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: And if you allow the mother to go through with

974
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 1: like you know, the misk wait for the miscarriage to happen,

975
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 1: there are much heightened risk of infection and much heightened

976
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 1: risk of hemorrhaging. Well, one of these women, she ends

977
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,919
Speaker 1: up hemorrhaging to the point that she loses half of

978
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: her body's blood, nearly dies, has to be put in

979
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 1: a medically induced coma. So we're already talking about a

980
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: situation where women's lives are at risk, even with something

981
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 1: like a fifteen week abortion man which is already in Florida.

982
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: You can only imagine the sore of horror stories that

983
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:27,919
Speaker 1: are going to come out when you have a six

984
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: week ban in place and do you think that the

985
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: press is going to ignore that, you know, what is

986
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 1: happening to these women and their stories and the way

987
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 1: that they're being put at risk because of these new policies.

988
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: I don't think so. So so in any case, you know,

989
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,320
Speaker 1: I think he's delusional in terms of the Republican primary

990
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 1: if he thinks is the legislative record down in Florida

991
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: is going to be what sways voters. At this point,

992
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: you can see the Republican primary is going to be

993
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:56,280
Speaker 1: dominated by Trump, his indictments, people coming after Trump. That's

994
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,839
Speaker 1: that's the landscape that you've set up. And then if

995
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,919
Speaker 1: your strongest case is on the electability candidate, you are

996
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: just like you know, cutting yourself off at the knees.

997
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 1: In terms of that position, there's no question a six

998
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 1: week ban's dramatically politically unpopular for many of the reasons

999
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: that you just cited. I will say fifteen weekman has

1000
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 1: a significant amount of popularity that was at least at

1001
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: some point post obs was around like seventy percent approval.

1002
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: And look, I mean we in Europe, like Germany has

1003
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: a twelve week ban, like I think France is at

1004
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: fourteen weeks now. I don't know much broader availability to

1005
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: receive care based on risk to the mother. Right the piece,

1006
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:36,800
Speaker 1: he's that they have more exceptions outside of like elective abortion,

1007
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 1: which I think most people are broadly on par with.

1008
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 1: So I'm more saying, like, it seems quite reasonable to

1009
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: have some fifteen week standard with the elective or or

1010
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 1: with the proviso that anybody whose life is in danger

1011
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 1: also has access to an abortion, just from a general

1012
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: like actual where we could land on all of this

1013
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: for a national public policy. I wanted to pull up

1014
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 1: numbers because here's here's part of you know, the public

1015
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 1: sentiment has really shifted post stops consistently, not just in

1016
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 1: this Wall Street Journal poll, but in effectively every gallops pulling,

1017
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 1: Pews polling. People have become more pro choice. I think

1018
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,720
Speaker 1: it's partly because they've seen these bands go into effect,

1019
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,280
Speaker 1: and they've seen the way that the law has been applied.

1020
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 1: And so when you say in Florida, you know, the

1021
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: life of the mothers at risk, they really mean like

1022
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: you have to be about to die right then and there.

1023
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 1: They don't take into account, well, if you don't have

1024
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 1: this procedure, you're going to have the baby is not

1025
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 1: going to live like that's off the table. You are

1026
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 1: going to have this elevated risk of massive hemorrhage, threatening

1027
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 1: your life, potential infection. And so you have already numbers

1028
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,720
Speaker 1: in states that have the band where women are having

1029
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: much worse outcomes in terms of their health during pregnancy,

1030
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 1: or states that don't have these bands into you know,

1031
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 1: that have not been instituted. So I'm looking. The Wall

1032
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 1: Street Journal poll had numbers I believe on abortions after

1033
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: six weeks, as I said, only twenty six percent support it.

1034
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: Abortions after fifteen weeks, It's almost identical. It's like twenty

1035
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 1: seven percent support it, maybe thirty. They have this like

1036
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 1: bar chart where they don't give the specific numbers, but

1037
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: it's not popular. Maybe it was more popular before these

1038
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 1: bands went into effect, but now that people have seen

1039
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: the impact and what it actually means in real terms

1040
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 1: for women's lives, you're talking about a few, you know,

1041
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 1: few more percentage points popularity than the six week abortion band. Yeap.

1042
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: I mean, it's certainly possible. I'm more thinking about like

1043
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:42,320
Speaker 1: where some sort of grand bargain actually could be struck

1044
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 1: in terms of where people feel comfortable. I don't know,

1045
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 1: what has any support then just what is it Row

1046
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: versus Weighed like the first trimester? Yeah, I mean I

1047
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: think Roe versus Way. Yes, I think that is correct

1048
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: because remember Roe versus Weighed was only about you know,

1049
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 1: pre viability, so post via ability then states could do

1050
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: whatever they wanted. So in states like Mississippi, I mean

1051
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 1: they basically had with Row versus Wade plus Casey, they

1052
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 1: had already basically banned abortion in the state. There was

1053
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,280
Speaker 1: like one clinic open and then that was underpression to close,

1054
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 1: et cetera, and that was permitted. I personally don't support that,

1055
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,359
Speaker 1: but that was the landscape ahead of time, and I

1056
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: think that is generally where most people are. It's like

1057
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:26,720
Speaker 1: sixty percent of the public, that is, you know, generally

1058
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: pro choice generally believes abortion should be available in all

1059
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 1: or most cases. So yeah, I think that's where the

1060
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,839
Speaker 1: public sentiment is at this point. I'm not sure though

1061
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 1: about all our most cases, because it is in all

1062
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 1: the most cases include late term abortions. I mean, like

1063
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 1: here in all cases would be late term, most cases

1064
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 1: would be the sorts you know people like how they

1065
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 1: personally define it, I think really is very different. Right,

1066
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: But for you know, for a lot of people, they'd

1067
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: say most cases is you know, previability or something like that.

1068
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 1: So it's listen, Americans have always had mixed, complicated views

1069
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Speaker 1: on the issue, which I understand because I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to deny it's like a morally fraud and difficult and

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00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 1: complicated issue. There's just like no doubt about that. But

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Speaker 1: Number one sentiment has moved into the pro choice direction

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Speaker 1: post jobs, I think because of the reality some of

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Speaker 1: the situation. Number two now, the ground that Republicans are

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00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 1: exclusively fighting on is definitionally extreme. Yeah, absolutely true, because

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00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 1: to go further than what the court has already done

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00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: is just definitionly going to put you on the wrong

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Speaker 1: side of public opinion in any case. Six weeks, no

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Speaker 1: question about it is a single most unpopular thing the

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00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 1: man will do. Will it matter? We'll find out the

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Speaker 1: same respect. There are some warning signs being raised from

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Speaker 1: a bunch of Republican strategists. Just some of these quotes

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00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 1: are funny. So let's go and put this up on

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Speaker 1: the screen. From Politico. They say, is Trump dominates the airwaves?

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00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: Quote it feels like effing twenty sixteen Terry Sullivan who

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00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 1: ran Mark or Rubio's twenty sixteen campaign for president, said

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00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: this is deja vous all over again. Trump dominates media coverage,

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00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 1: making it impossible for his competitors to get any viage

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00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 1: or four attraction. Another Republican strategist who supports DeSantis but

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00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: was granted anonymity to speak freely, said, it feels like

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00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 1: fing twenty sixteen. Is there anything that can suck up

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00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: as much political oxygen in the American political landscape as Trump?

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00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: I don't think so. And then they have this anecdote

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00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:23,479
Speaker 1: that is brutal. DeSantis went to New York to Long

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00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: Island recently to promote his book or whatever and his

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00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: potential candidacy. He was greeted by, they say, a number

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00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 1: of New Yorkers in Maga hats and a sign that

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00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 1: read DeSantis twenty twenty eight. So not this election cycle,

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00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 1: but maybe next one would give you a shot, suggesting

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Speaker 1: you get out of Trump's way. Then Politico went to

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Speaker 1: the event where DeSantis was speaking, and they said that

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Speaker 1: nearly all of the attendees that they interviewed spoke favorability

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00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 1: favorably about DeSantis, but said they are already committed to

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00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 1: supporting the ex president's comeback bid so like, yeah, we

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00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 1: like him, but you know we're with Trump. Yeah. I mean, look,

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00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 1: it's twenty sixteen all over again in terms of his

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00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:04,919
Speaker 1: domination in the race. And I think very specifically for

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00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 1: a reason, especially as you said, citing the Iglesias point,

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00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 1: that a lot of what DeSantis does or at least

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00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 1: says that he wants to do to try to be electable,

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00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,439
Speaker 1: is less politically popular than what Trump wants to do. Yeah,

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00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 1: we'll see which one wins out. I honestly have no idea. Yeah,

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00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 1: so let's get to our current president. He did a

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00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 1: little interview with Al Roker of the Today Show with

1115
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 1: regard to the Easter egg role. And you know, there's

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00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 1: two things that are noteworthy here. First of all is

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00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 1: an ability, persistent inability to communicate his thoughts in any

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Speaker 1: coherent manner whatsoever. Second of all, he seems to, for

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Speaker 1: I guess the most clearly stated way and the most

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Speaker 1: clearly stated way, indicate that he is planning on running

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Speaker 1: for president again. Take a listen, will you be taking

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Speaker 1: part in the Easter egg roles? Planning on after twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four? I plan on at least three or four

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Speaker 1: more Easter egg roles at least three or four more,

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Speaker 1: may maybe five, maybe five, maybe maybe six. What the

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Speaker 1: hell are you? Are you saying that you would be

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Speaker 1: taking part in our upcoming election of twenty four out

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Speaker 1: of it, I'll either you're rolling an egg or you know,

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Speaker 1: being the good you know, the guy who's pushing him out,

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Speaker 1: help help a brother out. Well, I plan on running out,

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Speaker 1: but we're not prepared to announce it yet. So plans

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Speaker 1: on running but not ready to announce it yet, and

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Speaker 1: he plans on being the guy that rolls or pushed

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Speaker 1: out all. That's the oddest interaction. Yeah, I mean, al Roker,

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Speaker 1: I can't believe that guy is still working. I'm out

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Speaker 1: retire man. I'm sure you got enough money at this point. Brother.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I love the way that when Biden

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Speaker 1: says something like that, which is just like totally nonsensical,

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01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 1: everyone just pretends like, oh, yeah, of course, yes, sir,

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Speaker 1: I totally understand what you're saying. Well, okay, so he says,

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Speaker 1: I plan on running, but yeah, what is with the delay?

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Speaker 1: That's where it all comes like nobody seems to understand.

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01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 1: We have some reporting a little bit that gets into it,

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01:00:57,080 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 1: but it's just odd because it would get him an

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Speaker 1: advantage to be in the race, so he could give

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Speaker 1: the American people, I think, the clear contrast, and so

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01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 1: he could continue to start raising money, which is what

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Speaker 1: expected to be a very expensive presidential race. There doesn't

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Speaker 1: seem to be any strategic benefit to running. Here's the

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01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 1: other case that I could make. Trump is dominating the airwaves.

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01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 1: Trump is dramatically unpopular right now. He's got like a

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Speaker 1: twenty five percent favorability rating. Let him hang himself as

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Speaker 1: the center of the stage of the news, and then

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Speaker 1: I'll come in and sweep up, just like I did

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. That's not a bad case I guess

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Speaker 1: I could make. But I still would want to be

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Speaker 1: in the race and have some skin in the game. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. The only way I can explain it

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Speaker 1: is through his own personal attributes throughout his career of indecisiveness,

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Speaker 1: and not necessarily about the decision of whether or not

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Speaker 1: he wants to run again. I have always thought that

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Speaker 1: he's going to run again. I've always thought that the

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Speaker 1: idea of the Democratic Party was going to try to

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Speaker 1: push him to the side was overblown because you know, listen,

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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris is the heir apparent, and she is less popular,

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Speaker 1: and they really have no way to get around, right,

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Speaker 1: So I always thought they were going to move with

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Speaker 1: Biden if he was at all capable of, like, you know,

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01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 1: being propped up in a weekend at Bernie's kind of

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Speaker 1: a way. He though, has always throughout his career, had

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Speaker 1: trouble just making decisions about like where are you going

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Speaker 1: to launch, where is your campaign going to be headquartered,

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01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 1: who's going to be in charge, what kind of messaging

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01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 1: are you going to roll out with, who are going

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Speaker 1: to be here? Adme like these basic campaign decisions. He's

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01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 1: both a micromanager and he's really indecisive, So then everyone

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Speaker 1: just gets hamstrung. And in the same respect, I don't

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Speaker 1: think they take seriously, you know, any sort of primary challenge,

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01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 1: so they don't feel pressured to get in, and so

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Speaker 1: they just let Biden like do his thing and not

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01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 1: really come to any particular decision, And then the announcement

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01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 1: date just keeps getting pushed and push and push and

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01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 1: push and push. That's my best guess of what's going on. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's very odd. I mean, they keep saying that they

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01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 1: expect him to launch sometime soon. We have the Axios

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Speaker 1: report we can reference here up on the screen, and

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Speaker 1: they're saying, now, I believe it could come as late

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Speaker 1: as July, or perhaps even the fall. I mean, the

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01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 1: reason the fall seems very odd is that only puts

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Speaker 1: you one year out from the actual twenty twenty four election.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it says the announcement timeline could be affected

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Speaker 1: by his advisor's desire to have strong initial fundraising numbers

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Speaker 1: to try and avoid news reports about a lack of

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Speaker 1: enthusiasm or vulnerability. Which, if that's what you're saying, that's

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Speaker 1: already a vulnerability that you don't think you even raise

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01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 1: enough money. It's a little bit odd. Yeah, that's true. Especially,

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Speaker 1: I mean you're the sitting president. Yeah, you should be

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01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 1: able to raise a ton of money. Trump raised until

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Speaker 1: three hundred million dollars or something crazy in the first

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Speaker 1: six months of his campaign. I'm talking in my monologue

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01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 1: about this sort of like desperate and pathetic social media

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01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:49,160
Speaker 1: influencer plan that they've been rolling out because it's always

1203
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 1: been the case Biden has had like zero organic excitement

1204
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 1: for him among young voters, grassroots or online. You know,

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01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 1: it was very much last time around this suck it

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01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 1: up and vote Joe kind of a even continues to

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01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 1: be the case. He's even less popular now, certainly than

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01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 1: he was at the time. His popularity appears to have

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01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 1: dipped in the past several months for you know, I

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01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 1: think a variety of reasons. But yeah, they're sort of

1211
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 1: desperately trying to float like access and little goodies to

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01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 1: online social media influencers to try to get them to

1213
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 1: make the case for Joe onlines like good luck trying

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01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 1: to get up that AstroTurf. We'll see if that's got

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Speaker 1: I don't see it. Yeah, I mean, I think the

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Speaker 1: fact though that they do have to delay it just

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01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 1: shows you the fundamental strength of his campaign is just

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Speaker 1: any contrast with Trump, because that's the only way he

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01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 1: came in, And the weakness of the campaign is nobody

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01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 1: really likes him. A lot of people would like to

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Speaker 1: see somebody else. Most people think he's just way too old,

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Speaker 1: and he's a begrudging kind of acceptance as a president,

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Speaker 1: which is a very odd position to be in. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: very odd, very odd, And I think the total political

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Speaker 1: landscape really lays bare a nation in difficult decline. I

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Speaker 1: don't want to say terminal decline, but in quite decline,

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Speaker 1: given that you have two likely candidates that not very

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Speaker 1: many people actually want to see occupy the Oval office

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Speaker 1: moving forward, and both both of them also are quite aged.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about we weren't able to get to

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Speaker 1: this yesterday, but this is quite explosive the revelations that

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Speaker 1: Pro Publica was able to unearth about Justice Thomas and

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Speaker 1: the repeated luxury vacations that he has been gifted along

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Speaker 1: with you know a lot of other perks and benefits

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Speaker 1: from this Republican donor billionaire. It's going to put this

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Speaker 1: first piece up on the screen. You can see this

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Speaker 1: is the yacht that Thomas has been has been able

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Speaker 1: to the luxury yacht that Thomas has been able to

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Speaker 1: travel the world on that is owned by this billionaire.

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Speaker 1: And on the other side is this painting of Thomas

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Speaker 1: the billionaire. His name is Harlan Crowe. Leonard Leo actually,

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Speaker 1: who's the head of the Federal Society, is also very

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Speaker 1: prominent and prestigious and important in terms of conservative circles,

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01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 1: especially influential with regard to the Supreme Court. There they

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01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 1: are smoking their cigars and hanging out together at Crow's

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01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 1: luxury retreat, getaway, etc. So let's go and put the

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Speaker 1: actual pro publica report up on the screen. Let me

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Speaker 1: give you some of the details here, because they are

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Speaker 1: pretty extraordinary. The headline is Clarence Thomas and the Billionaire.

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Speaker 1: They start off with an anecdote about what happened in

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Speaker 1: late June twenty nineteen, right after the Supreme Court released

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Speaker 1: its final opinion of the term. He boarded a large

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Speaker 1: private jet headed to Indonesia. He and his wife were

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Speaker 1: going on vacation nine days of island hopping on that

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Speaker 1: super yacht that we showed you before, and staff by

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Speaker 1: a coterie of attendance, they say in a private chef. Now,

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Speaker 1: if he had paid for this trip himself, it would

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01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 1: have cost over a five hundred thousand dollars, but he didn't.

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Speaker 1: He was brought along and all expenses paid by his

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Speaker 1: buddy Harlan Crowe. Now this was far from the only

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Speaker 1: trip that Harlan crow had gifted him. For more than

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Speaker 1: two decades, they say, Thomas has accepted luxury trips virtually

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Speaker 1: every single year with the Dallas businessman without disclosing them.

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Speaker 1: He's a public servant who has a salary of two

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Speaker 1: hundred and eighty five thousand dollars, but he's been able

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Speaker 1: to vacation on Crow's superyacht around the globe. He flies

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Speaker 1: seemingly regularly on Crow's private jet. He's gone with Crow

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Speaker 1: to Bohemian Grove. That's that sort of infamous exclusive California

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Speaker 1: All Mail Retreat can ask Alex Jones about what that is,

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Speaker 1: and to Crow's sprawling ranch in East Texas. He typically

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Speaker 1: spends about a week every single summer at Crow's private

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Speaker 1: resort in the Adirondacks. And they have a bunch of

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Speaker 1: photos in the report that shows the lavishness of the

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Speaker 1: type of accommodations that Justice Crow. Justice Thomas has been

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Speaker 1: provided here from Harlan Crow. They say that this has

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Speaker 1: no precedent in the modern history of the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 1: And where this really gets into trouble, none of this

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Speaker 1: has appeared on Thomas's financial disclosures. His failure to report

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Speaker 1: any of this could run a foul of ethics laws.

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Speaker 1: And reminder, the Supreme Court has very little in the

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Speaker 1: way of ethics laws. Other federal courts have a code

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Speaker 1: of conduct, they have specific guidance about how to deal

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Speaker 1: with conflicts of interest. Supreme Court is largely up to

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Speaker 1: them basically policing themselves, but there is a requirement that

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Speaker 1: you disclose these sorts of gifts, and just this year

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Speaker 1: it has been updated to clearly reflect the fact that,

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Speaker 1: you know, private jet trips, for instance, don't count as

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Speaker 1: just sort of like normal hospitality of having a dinner

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Speaker 1: at a friend's house or whatever that you wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: to report. So this is really something. And adding to

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Speaker 1: the concerns of corruption here are is the fact that

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Speaker 1: when Thomas is going and staying at this private resort,

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Speaker 1: there are a lot of other influential Republicans in floce

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Speaker 1: uential corporate executives there. Recent guests included executives at Verizon,

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Speaker 1: Price Waterhouse Cooper's, major Republican donors, one of the leaders

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Speaker 1: of the American Enterprise Institute. So they're sort of gathering

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01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:14,720
Speaker 1: all of these conservatives together and you know, putting them

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Speaker 1: up at this luxury private resort. And then Crow himself

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Speaker 1: has been a significant donor on the Republican side. But

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Speaker 1: even putting all of that aside, you know what we

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Speaker 1: talk about with regard to corruption, whether it's politicians, whether

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Speaker 1: it's the FED, whether it's judges, whoever it is. It's

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01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 1: even just the appearance that there is a problem is

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01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 1: a problem. And when you're talking about I mean, this

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01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:42,360
Speaker 1: dude has lavished millions of dollars in gifts on Thomas

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01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:46,840
Speaker 1: and his wife, there is a real issue there. Even

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Speaker 1: if you could say, oh, he had he didn't influence

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Speaker 1: them at all, He never talked about some reinport cases,

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Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. The appearance of that level of

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Speaker 1: direct corruption is incredibly damaging. Here's the thing. Look, if

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Speaker 1: you want to be friends with the guys a citizen,

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01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 1: nobody is stopping you. But if you want to be

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01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:05,519
Speaker 1: friends with the guy as a Supreme Court justice, yeah,

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01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:08,720
Speaker 1: that's basically complete. I've seen a lot of Republicans say

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Speaker 1: this is like a witch hunt against Clarence Thomas. I mean, look,

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01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 1: there's no real defense of this from a pure ethics

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Speaker 1: point of view. At the end of the day, federal

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01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 1: judges have immense power, specifically the Supreme Court, they have

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01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:24,240
Speaker 1: incredible amounts of power. You and I may know them,

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01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:27,759
Speaker 1: most people may know them as somebody involved in abortion

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01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:30,240
Speaker 1: or any of these other top line cases. Remember this,

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01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:32,240
Speaker 1: The vast majority of the cases that come before the

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01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:35,840
Speaker 1: Court have to do with administrative and business law commerce.

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01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:39,160
Speaker 1: They're the ones who set tremendous amounts of regulation with

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01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:43,800
Speaker 1: respect to how businesses get to conduct themselves, environmental protection taxes,

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01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:47,320
Speaker 1: how the administrative state is allowed to behave in Levy

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01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:50,599
Speaker 1: finds that is what really that they're you know, their

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01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 1: bread and butter like day to day stuff that they

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01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:56,080
Speaker 1: actually do. We just don't pay as much attention to it. Well,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that there's a single possible rational defense

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Speaker 1: of that. Remember Bob, I mean Bob Menendez was indicted

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Speaker 1: by the FEDS for accepting private jet travel and not

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01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:09,679
Speaker 1: disclosing it as some sort of inkind donation and possible

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01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 1: even at parts of bribery. Like Look, if you're really

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01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:15,080
Speaker 1: friends with the guy fly commercial and meet him on

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01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 1: the island, it's like you are very within your ability

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01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:21,479
Speaker 1: to do that and still hang out with your friend.

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01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 1: There's a difference too, like, look, you know you can

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01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:27,000
Speaker 1: board the yacht for the day and have dinner or whatever,

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01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 1: and then stay on land and pay for your own

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01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 1: private accommodation. Look, any of us, any person who would

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01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 1: be accepting gifts of this of this kind, would understand

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01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 1: it as a gift and not just something that you're

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01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 1: getting nothing in return for. Maybe that is maybe you

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01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:46,680
Speaker 1: can believe that they're twenty years of friendship in all

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01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 1: that stance. I look, actually, I'm will say this. I

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01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:51,640
Speaker 1: think they probably are friends. I think they're ideologically about that.

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01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:54,600
Speaker 1: They probably do get along. Harlan Crowe is one of

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01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:57,880
Speaker 1: those cringe lords who funds people like Liz Cheney and

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01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:02,599
Speaker 1: Jonah Goldberg over the Dispatch. So his politics and Clarence

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01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:06,200
Speaker 1: Thomas's very much kind of stand side by side based

1352
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:09,639
Speaker 1: on from what I've seen about the guy, and many

1353
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:12,760
Speaker 1: of these right wing billionaires consider themselves like Philosopher Kings,

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01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:15,160
Speaker 1: which is why they even so much some of the

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01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:17,880
Speaker 1: most repulsive people on the planet. I also do want

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01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:19,559
Speaker 1: to say is fits are horrible and he should be

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01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 1: canceled for that alone, specifically the sandals. But a controversial

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Speaker 1: oh god, I mean, I can't imagine, I mean a

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01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:30,720
Speaker 1: billion dollars in dressing like that. I guess when you're

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01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:34,680
Speaker 1: a billionaire and get away with it. Well, So a

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Speaker 1: couple of things. I do think the fact that he

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Speaker 1: is an activist in terms of conservative politics, I think

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01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:42,840
Speaker 1: that matters. But even if he wasn't. I think it's

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01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:46,400
Speaker 1: still a major issue, right, the fact that his French billion,

1365
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 1: like somebody, had nothing to do with it, right, it

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01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 1: still would matter, YEA. The fact that he has business

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01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 1: interests that can be directly impacted by what the Court does,

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01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:57,760
Speaker 1: that makes it all the worse. But even if he didn't, right,

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01:12:57,840 --> 01:12:59,559
Speaker 1: even if he was just like an air and it

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01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:01,639
Speaker 1: didn't really matter what happened to the court in terms

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Speaker 1: of his fortune, this is still a massive issue. And

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Speaker 1: just to give you a sense, so for other federal

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01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:11,919
Speaker 1: judges below the Supreme Court, their code of conduct requires

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01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:15,960
Speaker 1: them to avoid even the appearance of impropriety, so they're

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01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:19,240
Speaker 1: supposed to be held to a very high standard here.

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Speaker 1: And then the other piece of this, which you know,

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Speaker 1: it's just worth noting, apparently Harlan Crowe actually financed a

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01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:31,759
Speaker 1: documentary about Justice Thomas. In that documentary, Thomas is quoted

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01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:34,880
Speaker 1: as saying, I don't have any problem with going to Europe,

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01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 1: but I prefer the United States, and I'm prefer seeing

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01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:39,600
Speaker 1: the regular parts of the United States. I prefer the

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01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:42,760
Speaker 1: RV parks, I prefer the Walmart parking lots, to the

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01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:45,800
Speaker 1: beaches and things like that. There's something normal to me

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01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:48,320
Speaker 1: about it. I come from regular stock, and I prefer that.

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01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:52,879
Speaker 1: I prefer being around that. Contrast that with the portrait

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01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:55,680
Speaker 1: that is painted here of a man who's flying on

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Speaker 1: private jet to board a luxury super yacht for a

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01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 1: well I one hundred thousand dollars trip to Indonesian. I

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01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:05,599
Speaker 1: think you get a little bit of a different picture

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01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:07,600
Speaker 1: than what he's trying to portray himself in in this

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01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:11,760
Speaker 1: Harlan Crowe finance document. If you like nice stuff, it's fun.

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01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 1: Nobody begrudges anybody for wanting nice things. In fact, that's

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01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:18,240
Speaker 1: what a lot of people want money for, is to

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01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:21,400
Speaker 1: be more comfortable and to be able to participate in

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01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:24,800
Speaker 1: fun experiences. Nobody would begrudge you for that. I do

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01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:26,680
Speaker 1: have I actually have heard that he's kind of a

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01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:29,400
Speaker 1: biker guy and does enjoy some of those biker trips,

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01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:32,120
Speaker 1: likes what he really genuinely loves the Walmart parking life apparently,

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01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 1: but his thing that doesn't exclude one from the other,

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01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:37,720
Speaker 1: right yet, And you know, I could see a world

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01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:39,360
Speaker 1: where you both like to do that, and you like

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01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 1: to go on the yachts, where you just don't mention it. Look,

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01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:44,800
Speaker 1: there's no square in this one. I think it looks

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01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:48,519
Speaker 1: terrible and uh yeah, I mean, like I believe so

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01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:51,760
Speaker 1: strongly in the appearance of corruption being as bad as

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01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:55,120
Speaker 1: corruption itself. And for Thomas, this is a terrible look.

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01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:57,639
Speaker 1: It's always been a bad look to with how active

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01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:00,400
Speaker 1: his wife is in politics. And people are like, that's exist,

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01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:03,040
Speaker 1: you know, are you saying, I'm like, listen, they chose

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01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:05,360
Speaker 1: this life. Nobody asked you to be. You know, like,

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01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:08,320
Speaker 1: nobody was like you. Nobody said that you didn't have

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01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:10,920
Speaker 1: a choice in becoming the Supreme Court. You knew what

1413
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:12,600
Speaker 1: you were signing up for. You don't get to be

1414
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:14,599
Speaker 1: a private citizen if you want to be a private

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01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:16,760
Speaker 1: That's a funny thing. He probably could make a ton

1416
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 1: of money if he just retired and wrote some crappy

1417
01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 1: book that Harlan Crow could bulk by, and then he

1418
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 1: can afford these own vacations. You know, this is about

1419
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:28,920
Speaker 1: it for all these guys. This life is accessible to you.

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01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:31,160
Speaker 1: Just leave. But you know, for a lot of them,

1421
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 1: they want to have their cake and they want to eat. Yeah. Well,

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01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:35,720
Speaker 1: I'll just say I hope you guys have seen through

1423
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:38,360
Speaker 1: the body of our work that we very consistently apply

1424
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 1: these principles with eruption, whether it is you know, conservatives

1425
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:46,360
Speaker 1: and liberals exactly. Yeah, So I mean this one, this

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01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:50,440
Speaker 1: is incredibly flagrant. And the fact that he didn't disclose

1427
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:52,640
Speaker 1: it over this many years, I think shows you that

1428
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 1: he knows it's a problem about it. It's terrible. Look,

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01:15:55,360 --> 01:16:01,519
Speaker 1: no question, Okay, christ Take a look at well Biden,

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01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:04,280
Speaker 1: in his own bumbling ways, tumbled into making some major

1431
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:06,840
Speaker 1: news with Al Roker on Easter Sunday. Take a listen,

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01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 1: Are you saying that you would be taking part in

1433
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:13,960
Speaker 1: our upcoming election of twenty four out of it all

1434
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 1: either your rolling and egg or you know, being the

1435
01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:19,480
Speaker 1: good you know, the guy who's pushed him out, help

1436
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:23,000
Speaker 1: a brother out. Well, I've planned on running out, but

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01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:26,160
Speaker 1: we're not prepared to announce it yet. I plan on

1438
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:28,680
Speaker 1: running al, but we are not prepared to announce it yet.

1439
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:30,960
Speaker 1: So there you go. Any lingering suspensive or whether our

1440
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 1: octagenarian president was going to run for a second term

1441
01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:36,679
Speaker 1: should officially be put to bed. As we expected all along,

1442
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:38,960
Speaker 1: Joe Biden is running. Even if the Dems wanted to

1443
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:40,600
Speaker 1: push him out, they can't get around the problem that

1444
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:43,559
Speaker 1: the chosen heir apparent Kamala Harris is even less popular

1445
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 1: than the current White House document. But there are signs

1446
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 1: that well Biden is apparently eager to do the official

1447
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:50,800
Speaker 1: Easter egg role for another six years, American people are

1448
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:53,759
Speaker 1: somewhat less enthusiastic about the prospect of seeing him occupy

1449
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:56,760
Speaker 1: the office of the President for another term. According to

1450
01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 1: a brand new CNN pull, just thirty two percent of

1451
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:03,240
Speaker 1: responding say that he deserves to be reelected. What's more,

1452
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 1: his performance is panned across a variety of personal characteristics.

1453
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:10,360
Speaker 1: Sixty seven percent say that he does not have the

1454
01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:14,280
Speaker 1: stamina and sharpness to serve effectively, which I mean, given

1455
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:16,760
Speaker 1: that Easter Egg roll clip, can you really blame them?

1456
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:20,639
Speaker 1: Sixty five percent say he does not inspire confidence, fifty

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01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:23,080
Speaker 1: four percent say he's not honest and trustworthy, and fifty

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01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:25,719
Speaker 1: four percent also say he does not care about people

1459
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:29,040
Speaker 1: like them. That last one, I would say is particularly devastating,

1460
01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:31,320
Speaker 1: giving that perceived empathy has always been one of Joe

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01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:35,200
Speaker 1: Biden's greatest political talents. These numbers are really bad, but

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01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:38,840
Speaker 1: among young people, the numbers are downright catastrophic. In that

1463
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:42,719
Speaker 1: very same CNN poll, only twenty six percent of voters

1464
01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:45,519
Speaker 1: eighteen to thirty four believe Biden deserves to be reelected,

1465
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:48,840
Speaker 1: as opposed to seventy two percent who do not. It's

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01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:51,240
Speaker 1: easy to take for granted young people's antipathy towards the

1467
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:53,439
Speaker 1: current president, after all, he was not really their candidate

1468
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:56,679
Speaker 1: in the Democratic primary. But Biden did win young voters

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01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:59,559
Speaker 1: by twenty six points over Trump, and early in his

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01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:03,519
Speaker 1: president young voters actually handed him very high approval ratings

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01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:05,880
Speaker 1: as he took action through the American Rescue Plan, including

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01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:08,559
Speaker 1: stimulus checks, and signed a bunch of executive orders in

1473
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:11,479
Speaker 1: line with progressive priorities, things like addressing climate, lifting the

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01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:14,880
Speaker 1: minimum wage, etc. Young voters are supposed to be the

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01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:17,360
Speaker 1: bedrock of the Democratic base, and they're supposed to be

1476
01:18:17,439 --> 01:18:21,120
Speaker 1: the emerging coalition which, given time, will swamp the Republicans.

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01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:24,160
Speaker 1: And yet there are signs that the Biden team realizes

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01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:26,760
Speaker 1: they got a major problem with the youths, and they've

1479
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:29,120
Speaker 1: cooked up a game plan to try to force Biden

1480
01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:32,000
Speaker 1: love on millennials in the newly politically powerful gen Z.

1481
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:35,719
Speaker 1: The plan is both pathetic and gross. Here are the details,

1482
01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:39,479
Speaker 1: as reported by Axios. President Biden's not yet official bid

1483
01:18:39,479 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 1: for reelection will lean on hundreds of social media influencers

1484
01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 1: who will tell Biden's record and soon may have their

1485
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:48,719
Speaker 1: own briefing room at the White House. Axios has learned.

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01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:51,559
Speaker 1: So apparently, guys, the White House is working to do

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Speaker 1: with influencers what has long been done with the mainstream press,

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01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:58,120
Speaker 1: which is to promise them access in exchange for favorable coverage.

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Speaker 1: This is the corrupt heart of ACXI journalism and a

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01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:03,720
Speaker 1: key reason why the mainstream press cable news in particular,

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01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:07,400
Speaker 1: handles mainstream political figures with such kid gloves. They're more

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01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:10,080
Speaker 1: interested in maintaining their White House Christmas party invites and

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01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:12,439
Speaker 1: off the record briefings than they are with actually doing

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01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:15,120
Speaker 1: their job the way that they should. Well now, Biden

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01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:18,400
Speaker 1: is looking to AstroTurf some online enthusiasm by the same

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01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:22,280
Speaker 1: promise to influencers of goodies and proximity to power. According

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Speaker 1: to Axios, hundreds of these so called influencers are already

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01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 1: working directly with the White House. About two dozen were

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01:19:28,120 --> 01:19:30,639
Speaker 1: invited to a White House State of the Union Watch party.

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Speaker 1: The White House is also moving to give them a

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01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:35,080
Speaker 1: dedicated press briefing space so that they can maintain more

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01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:38,960
Speaker 1: consistent communication name checked in Axios reporting as creators. The

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01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:41,680
Speaker 1: White House is working with our Heathercox Richardson, she's the

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01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:46,200
Speaker 1: wildly successful resistant substack author Vivian Too, a financial TikToker,

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01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 1: and Harry Sisson, a young, dumb political TikToker. Here, presumably

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01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:52,559
Speaker 1: are some of the cringe dividends which are already being

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01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:55,439
Speaker 1: reaped from this program. Take a listen. See this is

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01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:59,200
Speaker 1: exactly what leadership looks like. Earlier today, President Biden that

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01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:02,719
Speaker 1: with a three Ocratic representatives in Tennessee that Republicans voted

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01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:05,240
Speaker 1: on expelling, He met with them, he thanked them for

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01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:08,479
Speaker 1: fighting for democracy, and he invited them to the White House. See,

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Speaker 1: unlike Republicans, President Biden actually supports democracy, and he's not

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01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:14,920
Speaker 1: going to just sit by and watch Republicans do these

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01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:18,759
Speaker 1: crazy radical things like expelling Democrats for supporting gun control.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to President Biden and these representatives for standing

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01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:24,840
Speaker 1: up for democracy and standing up for America. But judging

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01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:28,120
Speaker 1: from the comments section, not clear that systems Biden propaganda

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01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:31,840
Speaker 1: averts are really succeeding here. Some comments are supportive, for sure,

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01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:35,439
Speaker 1: Others say things like this, what a joke, That's what

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01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 1: leadership looks like. Oh, brother. When kids love warmongers, how heartwarming.

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01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:43,639
Speaker 1: Let's not forget the Willow Project and the meat writing

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01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:46,320
Speaker 1: is crazy anyway, you get the point. I guess I've

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01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:48,360
Speaker 1: just come to expect that corporate media has co opted

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01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:51,160
Speaker 1: self interested and biased. But it's really kind of gross

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01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:54,639
Speaker 1: to see supposedly independent creators seduced by the explicit promises

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01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:57,240
Speaker 1: of access from a corporatis like Joe Biden. It's also

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01:20:57,280 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 1: a perfect window into the roots of media corruption. Many

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01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:03,400
Speaker 1: times there's not a direct exchange of cash, just a

1529
01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:06,479
Speaker 1: quid pro quo of powerclout, and relevance. A lot of

1530
01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:09,599
Speaker 1: people out there are willing to sell out for literally nothing.

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01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:12,000
Speaker 1: The good news is they might win clout with the

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01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:14,160
Speaker 1: current president, but they will lose it with their young

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01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:18,040
Speaker 1: audiences who are not remotely buying this spin. So, Sager,

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01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:19,920
Speaker 1: this is a big game plan to get the youths

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01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:23,280
Speaker 1: excited about Biden twenty twenty four. What do you think?

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01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:26,280
Speaker 1: And if you want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue,

1537
01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:33,280
Speaker 1: become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot Com. All right, Sager,

1538
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:34,720
Speaker 1: what are you looking at it? Well? I may have

1539
01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:37,160
Speaker 1: been mired in leaked Pentagon documents now for the last

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01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:39,000
Speaker 1: forty eight hours. But I couldn't let it pull me

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01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:41,559
Speaker 1: away from another vitally important story that we have been

1542
01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:44,120
Speaker 1: following from day one over here at breaking points, the

1543
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 1: lab leak hypothesis of COVID and the Pandora's box of

1544
01:21:47,439 --> 01:21:50,559
Speaker 1: inquiry it has opened, from exposing the media's cover up

1545
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:53,280
Speaker 1: of Lableak to the corruption of doctor Fauci. There's always

1546
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 1: been a deeper point of Lableak. COVID was the tip

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01:21:56,160 --> 01:21:59,160
Speaker 1: of the iceberg on lab safety, the complicity of the

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01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:02,640
Speaker 1: US government and the complicity of the US scientific establishment.

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01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:05,559
Speaker 1: A new investigation hints at just how deep the rabbit

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01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:08,240
Speaker 1: hole goes. They point, as just one example, to a

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01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:12,360
Speaker 1: lab in Thailand that was searching Southeast Asia for exotic viruses.

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01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:15,360
Speaker 1: The research was supported by the US government from twenty

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Speaker 1: eleven onward and entailed Thai researchers going into remote caves

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01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:24,320
Speaker 1: and forests inhabited by millions of bats quote, including species

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01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:28,280
Speaker 1: known to carry diseases deadly to humans. They report quote.

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01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:32,400
Speaker 1: The scientists collected saliva, blood, and excrement from the wriggling

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01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:36,360
Speaker 1: razor fanged animals. Those samples were then driven to Bangkok.

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Speaker 1: As any reasonable person may ask, why would anyone in

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01:22:40,479 --> 01:22:43,400
Speaker 1: their right minds do this? Because the goal was to

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01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:49,080
Speaker 1: quote identify unknown viruses that might someday threaten humans, and then,

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01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:52,000
Speaker 1: in a move that will shock absolutely nobody, researchers were

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01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:54,960
Speaker 1: bitten by bats and one accidentally stuck herself with a needle.

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01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:58,799
Speaker 1: They claim nothing ever happened as a result of those incidents,

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01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:02,639
Speaker 1: but the incident was recorded in twenty sixteen. Despite that,

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01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:06,000
Speaker 1: for five years, the US government still continued to fund

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01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:08,600
Speaker 1: that lab, which did not shut down until it voluntarily

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01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:11,120
Speaker 1: did in twenty twenty one. The report notes that on

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Speaker 1: the very same campus as this Bangkok lab, they had

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01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:16,160
Speaker 1: another lab that was actually shut down in twenty eighteen

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Speaker 1: because of quote mechanical failures, even though it was supposedly

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01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:23,759
Speaker 1: built to handle dangerous viruses. Once again, the most insane

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01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:27,120
Speaker 1: thing about this report is that this is just one example.

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01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:31,680
Speaker 1: They note that the number of labs handling dangerous pathogens

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01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:35,560
Speaker 1: funded by the US government is quote believed by experts

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01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:39,400
Speaker 1: to be in the thousands. In fact, the real interesting

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01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:41,519
Speaker 1: part of the report was detailing not only the existing

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01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:44,120
Speaker 1: insane projects that we continue to fund abroad, but the

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01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:47,000
Speaker 1: genesis of all of them. Before twenty years ago, we

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01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:50,519
Speaker 1: actually took studying dangerous pathoges and viruses very seriously. It

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01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:54,000
Speaker 1: was restricted almost entirely to bioweapons facilities like forty Trick

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01:23:54,280 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 1: in the United States or other nations that were studying them.

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01:23:57,200 --> 01:24:01,280
Speaker 1: No outside funding, very little private research involving universities and others.

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01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:05,040
Speaker 1: But in two thousand and one, the anthratc attacks changed everything.

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01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:08,080
Speaker 1: All of a sudden anthrax incidents coupled with post nine

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01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:12,360
Speaker 1: eleven hysteria, flushed billions of dollars into the Pentagon and

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Speaker 1: National Institute of Health budgets to help prevent future bioweapons

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01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:19,280
Speaker 1: attacks and also to predict future pandemics and to try

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01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 1: and stop them. In fact, Scientific American, which later went

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01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:25,080
Speaker 1: woke during the COVID pandemic in two thousand and eight,

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01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:28,599
Speaker 1: published a huge report looking at the forty one billion

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01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:31,320
Speaker 1: dollars in the seven years spending on biodefense In two

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Speaker 1: thousand and eight. They cite a Government Accountability Office report

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01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:37,360
Speaker 1: from two thousand and seven which quote said we are

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01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:40,960
Speaker 1: at greater risk today than ever before of a pandemic

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01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:45,760
Speaker 1: because quote the great increase in bio laboratories and the

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Speaker 1: absence of oversight they receive. Richard Ebright, who today is

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Speaker 1: a major critic of Fauci and a Lablique warrior for truth,

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01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:57,479
Speaker 1: was even quoted at the time warning quote, the Bush

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01:24:57,520 --> 01:25:00,960
Speaker 1: administration has driven a twenty to thirty fold increase in

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Speaker 1: the number of institutions individuals with access to live virulent

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01:25:05,320 --> 01:25:10,839
Speaker 1: bioweapons agents from four hundred institutions and fifteen thousand people.

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01:25:11,240 --> 01:25:13,760
Speaker 1: To connect the dots further from then to now, the

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Speaker 1: only person on records defending all the money spent on

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01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:21,519
Speaker 1: bioweapons safety was a protege of doctor Fauci, Michael Carilla,

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01:25:21,640 --> 01:25:24,720
Speaker 1: who was then the head of the NIAID Director of

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Speaker 1: Extramural Research, who said quote, we're much better off having

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01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:31,600
Speaker 1: spent this money, pointing then to an anthrax vaccine and

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01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:34,800
Speaker 1: to a small smallpox vaccine for why the country is

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01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:37,960
Speaker 1: safer for having funded it. Even then, Fauci and his

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01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:41,519
Speaker 1: men were connected to protecting gain of function research dollars

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01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 1: at all costs. Most of us never question any of

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Speaker 1: this for two reasons. Number One, we had no idea

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01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:51,320
Speaker 1: any of it was going on. Two, we just assumed

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01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:53,920
Speaker 1: that these scientists knew what they were doing. But now

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01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:57,120
Speaker 1: we know that's just total bs, and we're looking back

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01:25:57,280 --> 01:25:59,360
Speaker 1: to see if all signs were there if we wanted

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01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:01,960
Speaker 1: to see them. Take Ebola our own Ryan Grimm has

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01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:04,280
Speaker 1: been doing a fantastic job of reporting in recent weeks.

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01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:06,840
Speaker 1: We're really supposed to believe an eighteen month old child

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01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:08,920
Speaker 1: was playing by himself in a cave and he happened

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01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:11,720
Speaker 1: to become patient zero for Ebola, or maybe it was

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01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:14,160
Speaker 1: a nearby research facility that is now confirmed to have

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Speaker 1: been studying Ebola. In fact, new research shows in twenty

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01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:20,280
Speaker 1: twenty one the same human adapted strain of ebola was

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01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:23,920
Speaker 1: previously seen in the twenty fourteen outbreak, with no new

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01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:27,839
Speaker 1: novel mutations over five years. Scientists want us to believe

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01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:32,000
Speaker 1: that the strain was frozen inside of a human patient

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01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:36,479
Speaker 1: somewhere in Sub Saharan Africa for five years and that's

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01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:40,040
Speaker 1: why it didn't change. Or maybe the nurse who got

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01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:43,200
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty one strain happened to be working in

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01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:46,679
Speaker 1: the area of the twenty fourteen Ebola league where there

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01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:49,000
Speaker 1: was a lab. Much more at work is left to

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01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:51,080
Speaker 1: be done on Ebola, but it's not the only hint

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01:26:51,160 --> 01:26:53,920
Speaker 1: of a potential lab league sufferers of lime disease have

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01:26:54,040 --> 01:26:56,640
Speaker 1: long pointed out that one of the original outbreaks of

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01:26:56,680 --> 01:26:59,880
Speaker 1: lime disease in Lime, Connecticut in nineteen seventy five just

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01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:04,000
Speaker 1: happened to be the closest mainland town to Plum Island,

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Speaker 1: the site of the Plum Island Animal Disease Center, which

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01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:10,240
Speaker 1: was a hotbed of US biological weapons research for the

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01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:13,240
Speaker 1: US military for decades and is known to have been

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01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:19,680
Speaker 1: studying at the time tickborn illnesses, specifically diseases like lime disease. Geography,

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01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:23,320
Speaker 1: of course, proves nothing. Critics of the lime leak hypothesis

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01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:26,320
Speaker 1: have long pointed to evidence that the bacteria itself has

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01:27:26,360 --> 01:27:28,919
Speaker 1: been present in and around the US before the outbreak.

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01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:33,040
Speaker 1: Sure possible question, though, is it a natural flare up

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01:27:33,160 --> 01:27:36,080
Speaker 1: of lime disease in this geographical town next to the lab,

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01:27:36,640 --> 01:27:39,439
Speaker 1: or was the illness being studied in the lab and

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01:27:39,479 --> 01:27:41,839
Speaker 1: then got released from the lab and that's what eventual

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01:27:41,960 --> 01:27:45,000
Speaker 1: nationwide outbreak. It's been forty years since that happened, and

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01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:47,920
Speaker 1: only in twenty nineteen did the House of Representatives even

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01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:50,439
Speaker 1: tried amountain effort to get to the bottom of it,

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01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:55,200
Speaker 1: despite vigorous objection from the scientific establishment. My question is simple.

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01:27:55,479 --> 01:27:58,160
Speaker 1: If it's wrong, why not try and find out at

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01:27:58,280 --> 01:28:00,599
Speaker 1: least rule it out, because how can you need look

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01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:03,320
Speaker 1: after the COVID nineteen pandemic, look at the fact that

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01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:05,760
Speaker 1: lime disease happened to blow up in the town next

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01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:09,519
Speaker 1: to the bioweapons lab studying things like lime disease, and

1658
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:12,559
Speaker 1: just accept the government's words. Fact we need to take

1659
01:28:12,600 --> 01:28:16,439
Speaker 1: control of our scientific research dollars back. Like everything else

1660
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:18,599
Speaker 1: sparked by the nine to eleven attacks, it is now

1661
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:23,400
Speaker 1: cleared we created a monster bigger than anthrax and terrorism itself.

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01:28:23,640 --> 01:28:27,959
Speaker 1: We unwittingly built a multi billion dollar virus engineering empire

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01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:31,080
Speaker 1: that has already started one pandemic and it could start

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01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:35,040
Speaker 1: another very easily. The clock is ticking already, twenty seven

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01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:38,559
Speaker 1: new top level labs are under construction. FAUCI is retiring

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01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:41,720
Speaker 1: with no punishment, and the dollars are still flowing. If

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01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:44,600
Speaker 1: we don't stop it now, we may never get the

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01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:48,679
Speaker 1: chance ever again. Lime disease. That one's great. Yeah, I mean, wow,

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01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:50,760
Speaker 1: it's funny too, because and if you want to hear

1670
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:54,559
Speaker 1: my reaction to Sager's monologue, become a premium subscriber today

1671
01:28:54,600 --> 01:29:01,240
Speaker 1: at breakingpoints dot com. There are some POTENTI new developments

1672
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:03,800
Speaker 1: in the war in Yemen, which the US has been

1673
01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:07,120
Speaker 1: complicit in by helping to arm Saudi Arabian We're joined

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01:29:07,160 --> 01:29:09,559
Speaker 1: now for an update on that by Thomas Sedowski. He

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01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:12,080
Speaker 1: is an actor, former actor at the Newsroom and also

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01:29:12,120 --> 01:29:16,360
Speaker 1: ambassador for the nonprofit organization War Child USA. Great to

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01:29:16,360 --> 01:29:18,880
Speaker 1: have you, Thomas. Good to you man, Thank you, Thank

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Speaker 1: you guys very much for having me, and thank you

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01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:23,600
Speaker 1: for taking in some business. Yeah. Absolutely. You know, this

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01:29:23,680 --> 01:29:27,400
Speaker 1: has been classified as the greatest humanitarian disaster on the planet,

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01:29:27,479 --> 01:29:30,040
Speaker 1: something you've been calling attention to. And let's go and

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01:29:30,040 --> 01:29:31,960
Speaker 1: put this tear sheet up on the screen. There have

1683
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:34,120
Speaker 1: been some developments that I'd love you to speak to.

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01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:37,280
Speaker 1: This is the headline from the Intercept R and Ryan Grimm.

1685
01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:40,040
Speaker 1: He writes, to help end the Yemen war, all China

1686
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:42,320
Speaker 1: had to do was be reasonable. With Joe Biden nowhere

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01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:45,040
Speaker 1: to be found. China's diplomacy set the stage for Saudi

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01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:49,519
Speaker 1: concessions and cease fire talks. Are you hopeful here that

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01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:52,799
Speaker 1: this could actually bring a resolution and to this conflict?

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01:29:53,640 --> 01:29:55,599
Speaker 1: You know, I think that it's a really good first step.

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01:29:57,520 --> 01:30:05,240
Speaker 1: It's it's shameful frankly that we're delinquent in our in

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01:30:05,320 --> 01:30:09,920
Speaker 1: our humanitarian and diplomatic work over there, and it's it's

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01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:13,400
Speaker 1: concerning to me that the Chinese have sort of stepped

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01:30:13,400 --> 01:30:18,280
Speaker 1: in to fill that very huge void. I'm hopeful in

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01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:21,160
Speaker 1: the sense that, you know, the Saudis seemed to be

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Speaker 1: ratcheting down the tension uh with the Houthi regime in

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Speaker 1: the in the northern part of Yemen, which I was

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Speaker 1: in not too long ago, which is in pretty rough shape.

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Speaker 1: My concern, I think past that is that what happens

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Speaker 1: after this. You know, there's still a civil war that

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Speaker 1: is going on over there and one that has to

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Speaker 1: be addressed, So there's a there's a lot of work

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01:30:48,160 --> 01:30:49,880
Speaker 1: still left to do, but this is a very good

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Speaker 1: first step. My hope is that maybe this will rattle

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01:30:52,880 --> 01:30:55,639
Speaker 1: the cage enough of the United States to to sort

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01:30:55,680 --> 01:30:57,439
Speaker 1: of wake us up, get us off of our asses,

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Speaker 1: and get over there and do some good. So how

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01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:02,280
Speaker 1: did you get involved in this organization? Tom? For people

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01:31:02,280 --> 01:31:05,400
Speaker 1: who maybe not know, just to lay out the humanitarian

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Speaker 1: disaster of what is happening in Yemen has been happening

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Speaker 1: now for quite some time. Yeah, I mean for the

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Speaker 1: past eight years since the since the civil war started

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01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:14,840
Speaker 1: over there, and since the war started since the Saudi

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01:31:14,920 --> 01:31:18,680
Speaker 1: sort of got involved in since the international community, specifically

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01:31:18,720 --> 01:31:22,320
Speaker 1: in the West, led by the United States and joined

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01:31:22,360 --> 01:31:27,559
Speaker 1: by its allies in Canada and the UK Germany started

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01:31:27,560 --> 01:31:32,920
Speaker 1: supporting the Saudi and u a bombardment of northern Yemen,

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Speaker 1: We've seen a situation develop over there that, I mean,

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01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:43,920
Speaker 1: it really staggers imagination. What was happening. The international community

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01:31:43,920 --> 01:31:47,320
Speaker 1: that had formed around that Saudi coalition was allowing and

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01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:51,599
Speaker 1: supporting that coalition to use famine as a weapon of war.

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01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:55,599
Speaker 1: So it wasn't just that they were attacking population centers,

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01:31:56,640 --> 01:32:00,840
Speaker 1: coming very close to destroying you know, World Heritage sites

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01:32:00,840 --> 01:32:03,320
Speaker 1: and Sana and things like that. That they were also

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01:32:03,479 --> 01:32:07,880
Speaker 1: like bombing agricultural land, of water treatment facilities, stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: It became really really brutal. And when you spend time

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01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:15,479
Speaker 1: there in the country, it's an extraordinary country, its extraordinary people.

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Speaker 1: The destruction is everywhere, particularly in the north. Just it's

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01:32:20,160 --> 01:32:25,040
Speaker 1: it's incalculable the amount of loss. So it's not hard

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01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:31,080
Speaker 1: to see where this you know, deprivation has come from. Unfortunately,

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01:32:31,200 --> 01:32:34,400
Speaker 1: you can see it up close. You can feel the

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01:32:34,600 --> 01:32:38,920
Speaker 1: levels of pain and suffering. You see the stunted growth

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01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:42,759
Speaker 1: of the children that come from you know, prolonged severe

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01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:47,640
Speaker 1: amount nutrition. You know, the sort of polite term that

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01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:51,000
Speaker 1: is being used these days is acute food insecurity, but

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Speaker 1: all that means is starving to death. And you know,

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01:32:55,560 --> 01:32:58,879
Speaker 1: you're talking about millions of people. Sixteen I think sixteen

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Speaker 1: point one million was the last number that I saw

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01:33:01,240 --> 01:33:03,880
Speaker 1: people in the CUE food insecurity, with just about two

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Speaker 1: million in the famine state or thereabouts. That's really, really bad.

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Speaker 1: I saw recently the United Nations had released some reports

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Speaker 1: saying that things were getting better, and you know, on

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01:33:18,680 --> 01:33:21,679
Speaker 1: some sort of level, if you were reading the report, yeah,

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01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:25,000
Speaker 1: people were coming off that famine end of the role.

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01:33:25,880 --> 01:33:28,439
Speaker 1: The reason they were coming off the famine end of

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01:33:28,479 --> 01:33:31,400
Speaker 1: the role is that they were dying. A good way

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01:33:31,439 --> 01:33:33,400
Speaker 1: to take people off of those numbers is to just

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01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:39,439
Speaker 1: watch them perish, and it's really disturbing. Also, we're getting

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01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:42,680
Speaker 1: running ready to run into a situation here coming up

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01:33:42,720 --> 01:33:45,400
Speaker 1: in the warmer months where the mosquito season is getting

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01:33:45,400 --> 01:33:50,800
Speaker 1: ready to hit. One of the primary side effects of

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01:33:51,439 --> 01:33:55,360
Speaker 1: prolonged acute MAUNT nutrition is the collapse of your immune system.

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01:33:56,160 --> 01:33:59,360
Speaker 1: The mosquito population over there brings a lot of issues.

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01:33:59,400 --> 01:34:02,559
Speaker 1: So you're going to have a serious spike in dengey fever,

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01:34:02,680 --> 01:34:04,280
Speaker 1: You're going to have a serious spike and a lot

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01:34:04,280 --> 01:34:08,280
Speaker 1: of other insect bign diseases in sicknesses that are going

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01:34:08,320 --> 01:34:13,559
Speaker 1: to really ravage that population all over it. And the

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01:34:14,120 --> 01:34:18,400
Speaker 1: international community has failed yet again to meet its standard

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01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:21,200
Speaker 1: for what the UN is saying it needs in order

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01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:26,040
Speaker 1: to help the situation, help the situation by not allowing

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01:34:26,040 --> 01:34:28,960
Speaker 1: it to degrade further. They asked for four point three

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01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:31,880
Speaker 1: billion dollars. That's not to fix the situation, that's to

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Speaker 1: keep it from degrading further. Four point three billion dollars.

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Speaker 1: I just checked right before we came on air, and

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01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:42,839
Speaker 1: that is that fund is currently ten point five percent funded.

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Speaker 1: Why do you think there has been such a reluctance

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01:34:48,920 --> 01:34:51,960
Speaker 1: to you know, offer up the minimal aid that would

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01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:54,479
Speaker 1: be required. Why do you think there's been such a

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01:34:54,520 --> 01:34:58,120
Speaker 1: reluctance on the US part to stop, you know, tazitly

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01:34:58,200 --> 01:35:02,080
Speaker 1: supporting Saudi's involvement in this conflict. And why do you

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01:35:02,160 --> 01:35:06,600
Speaker 1: think as this unfolds, there's so little interest from the

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01:35:06,600 --> 01:35:12,519
Speaker 1: news media in this just absolute crisis which we are

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01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:20,680
Speaker 1: complicit with. Yeah, great questions, Christal, I myself have not

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01:35:20,760 --> 01:35:24,200
Speaker 1: been able to wrap my brain around how and why

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01:35:25,880 --> 01:35:29,679
Speaker 1: you've allowed our fellow human beings to suffer on this level,

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01:35:29,960 --> 01:35:33,840
Speaker 1: not only allowed, but being complicit, like you said, been

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01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:39,240
Speaker 1: complicit in exaggerating that suffering and perpetuating that suffering. I

1778
01:35:39,320 --> 01:35:43,280
Speaker 1: think that, unfortunately, what ends up happening is, you know,

1779
01:35:43,320 --> 01:35:45,080
Speaker 1: in the twenty four hour news cycle, a lot of

1780
01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:50,320
Speaker 1: things come along, you know, the ridiculousness of what ends

1781
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:56,559
Speaker 1: up ultimately getting covered and prioritized. You know, a conflict

1782
01:35:56,640 --> 01:35:59,760
Speaker 1: like this in a small country at the tail end

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01:35:59,800 --> 01:36:03,840
Speaker 1: of the Arabian Peninsula that hasn't historically had much of

1784
01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:06,600
Speaker 1: a much contact in any way, shape or form with

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01:36:06,640 --> 01:36:10,759
Speaker 1: the United States or with our population, it just gets

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01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:13,160
Speaker 1: completely not even thrown to the back pages. It just

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01:36:13,240 --> 01:36:15,599
Speaker 1: doesn't get included at all. So I think what you're

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01:36:15,640 --> 01:36:19,720
Speaker 1: seeing is a population, our population that doesn't know it

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01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:24,240
Speaker 1: just doesn't know. I was, you know, in DC after

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01:36:24,280 --> 01:36:26,200
Speaker 1: I got back from from Yemen, and I went down

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01:36:26,240 --> 01:36:29,080
Speaker 1: there to meet with some senators and members of the House,

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01:36:29,120 --> 01:36:34,400
Speaker 1: and you know, it's it's heartbreaking how much people in

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01:36:34,520 --> 01:36:37,439
Speaker 1: government know about what's going on over there, and how

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01:36:37,520 --> 01:36:42,240
Speaker 1: little they're doing about it. I had the opportunity to

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01:36:42,280 --> 01:36:44,960
Speaker 1: sit with a number of senators and they were very

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01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:48,679
Speaker 1: well informed. I was. I was very heartened to see

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01:36:48,680 --> 01:36:52,840
Speaker 1: that they were very well informed. But when I left

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01:36:52,840 --> 01:36:56,559
Speaker 1: those meetings, it just sort of dawned on me, like,

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01:36:56,600 --> 01:37:00,880
Speaker 1: if you know that much and you're doing so little,

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01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:08,080
Speaker 1: I don't know how we can pretend to have any

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01:37:08,160 --> 01:37:12,120
Speaker 1: kind of moral authority or any kind of moral position

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01:37:12,280 --> 01:37:15,280
Speaker 1: from which to lecture anybody in the world. It is

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01:37:15,320 --> 01:37:20,080
Speaker 1: a great point, really pretty extraordinary. The situation continues to

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01:37:20,080 --> 01:37:22,920
Speaker 1: get worse. In our solution to it seems to be

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01:37:23,000 --> 01:37:28,320
Speaker 1: to do less, you know, the Blinken announced Secretary Blinken

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01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:30,960
Speaker 1: announced the United States is going to be kicking in

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01:37:31,080 --> 01:37:34,360
Speaker 1: four hundred and forty four million dollars, I think to

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01:37:34,479 --> 01:37:37,040
Speaker 1: the UN Fund. And he said it, you know, with

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01:37:37,080 --> 01:37:40,160
Speaker 1: a great deal of you know, empathy and compassion and

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01:37:40,240 --> 01:37:43,360
Speaker 1: talking about the extraordinary suffering over there. What he didn't

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01:37:43,400 --> 01:37:46,800
Speaker 1: say is that what that offering of that money is

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01:37:46,840 --> 01:37:50,040
Speaker 1: twenty five percent less than what they gave last year,

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01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:56,400
Speaker 1: and very few people in the media said anything about it.

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01:37:56,080 --> 01:37:59,000
Speaker 1: It's shocking, and not only that when we're in DC.

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01:37:59,280 --> 01:38:02,000
Speaker 1: I had the opportunit to meet with some folks at USAID,

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01:38:02,120 --> 01:38:06,320
Speaker 1: which is an extraordinary organization. They do extraordinary work. They're

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01:38:06,360 --> 01:38:09,920
Speaker 1: talking about Congress cutting their funding to Yemen by upwards

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01:38:09,960 --> 01:38:13,519
Speaker 1: of thirty eight percent this year, with more cuts on

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01:38:13,560 --> 01:38:18,519
Speaker 1: the way next year. There is a piece that is coming,

1820
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:23,559
Speaker 1: but what happens after that is entirely up to us.

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01:38:23,880 --> 01:38:27,360
Speaker 1: The suffering doesn't go away just because Saudi bombardment stops.

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01:38:27,640 --> 01:38:30,400
Speaker 1: In fact, it becomes a much more tenuous and a

1823
01:38:30,479 --> 01:38:35,720
Speaker 1: much more desperate situation because now that these goods and

1824
01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:38,759
Speaker 1: services are starting to flow more freely into the country,

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01:38:39,040 --> 01:38:41,920
Speaker 1: there needs to be oversight as to how it's going,

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01:38:42,040 --> 01:38:45,160
Speaker 1: where it's going. My fear is that, you know, big

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01:38:45,240 --> 01:38:48,720
Speaker 1: organizations like the UN will step in and say, well,

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01:38:48,720 --> 01:38:50,599
Speaker 1: what the funding is going to do now is going

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01:38:50,680 --> 01:38:53,720
Speaker 1: to do We're going to work on transition and rebuilding,

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01:38:54,200 --> 01:38:56,760
Speaker 1: and we can't move on to that point. Yet We're

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01:38:56,800 --> 01:39:02,200
Speaker 1: not there. We're still in a profoundly delicate situation around famine,

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01:39:02,360 --> 01:39:09,360
Speaker 1: children starving to death, one point one million mothers, breastfeeding,

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01:39:09,439 --> 01:39:15,360
Speaker 1: mothers in acute food insecurity. It is it's unconscionable that

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01:39:15,920 --> 01:39:18,639
Speaker 1: the United Nations fund is only ten percent funded that

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01:39:18,680 --> 01:39:23,240
Speaker 1: we are cutting funding meanwhile, And you know, I don't

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Speaker 1: I don't want to get into atrocity Olympics. Nobody wins,

1837
01:39:25,720 --> 01:39:29,640
Speaker 1: everybody loses. But how many billions of dollars in the

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01:39:29,720 --> 01:39:34,840
Speaker 1: last two years have we sent to the war in Ukraine?

1839
01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:40,360
Speaker 1: And you know, in Yemen we have perpetuated and participated

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01:39:41,000 --> 01:39:43,320
Speaker 1: in the suffering of these people who have done nothing

1841
01:39:43,360 --> 01:39:45,600
Speaker 1: to us. When I was when I was on the

1842
01:39:45,640 --> 01:39:48,080
Speaker 1: ground over there, I talked to folks and they kept

1843
01:39:48,080 --> 01:39:52,200
Speaker 1: on asking why us, what did we ever do to you?

1844
01:39:52,200 --> 01:39:54,320
Speaker 1: You know, they kept saying, you know that it wasn't

1845
01:39:54,560 --> 01:39:58,240
Speaker 1: Yemenis who flew the planes into the towers on nine

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01:39:58,240 --> 01:40:01,360
Speaker 1: to eleven, right, that they were you know that right?

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01:40:02,080 --> 01:40:05,479
Speaker 1: And yeah, I'm not here as a representative of my government.

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01:40:05,479 --> 01:40:09,120
Speaker 1: I'm not here as a representative of my people. I

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01:40:09,160 --> 01:40:11,559
Speaker 1: believe my people if they were to know what was

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01:40:11,600 --> 01:40:14,800
Speaker 1: happening over there and how we have participated and how

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01:40:14,840 --> 01:40:17,479
Speaker 1: we have turned our back on that degree of suffering

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01:40:17,479 --> 01:40:22,200
Speaker 1: of women and children would be living. And I wholeheartedly

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01:40:22,240 --> 01:40:24,600
Speaker 1: agree with that, because you see the way that you know,

1854
01:40:24,640 --> 01:40:27,360
Speaker 1: when the suffering of Ukrainians is put on TV America

1855
01:40:27,400 --> 01:40:29,160
Speaker 1: that we got to do, you know what we need

1856
01:40:29,200 --> 01:40:31,720
Speaker 1: to do. But when you have a media and a

1857
01:40:31,760 --> 01:40:36,080
Speaker 1: political class that you know completely invisibilizes not only what's

1858
01:40:36,120 --> 01:40:38,840
Speaker 1: going on here, but certainly any role that the US

1859
01:40:38,920 --> 01:40:42,360
Speaker 1: has in playing, then you know, people they're not putting

1860
01:40:42,439 --> 01:40:44,800
Speaker 1: Yemen flags out in their their yards, and there's no

1861
01:40:44,800 --> 01:40:47,400
Speaker 1: political will to do much of anything. It just gets

1862
01:40:47,400 --> 01:40:50,439
Speaker 1: completely ignored. So we're really grateful for the work that

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01:40:50,479 --> 01:40:54,200
Speaker 1: you're doing to try to highlight this crisis. Where can

1864
01:40:54,240 --> 01:41:00,400
Speaker 1: people find your organization? We're Child USA dot got it

1865
01:41:00,479 --> 01:41:03,680
Speaker 1: and those folks outside of the United States who are

1866
01:41:03,680 --> 01:41:09,080
Speaker 1: looking to help out. War Child Canada is sort of

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01:41:09,080 --> 01:41:13,280
Speaker 1: our interlocked system organization who leads the charge and they

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01:41:13,280 --> 01:41:16,559
Speaker 1: are really extraordinary as well. So I would, you know,

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01:41:17,120 --> 01:41:21,000
Speaker 1: ask folks to look at those two organizations, specifically USA

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Speaker 1: and Great. We will have the links to those in

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Speaker 1: the description of this video. Really appreciate it, man, Thank you, thanks,

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Speaker 1: thank you for the time. It's our pleasure. Thank you

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01:41:31,800 --> 01:41:33,519
Speaker 1: guys so much for watching. It's been a while two

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01:41:33,560 --> 01:41:35,439
Speaker 1: days over here at breaking points. I just want to

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Speaker 1: legal basis and all of that is secure. And it

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Speaker 1: should censorship ever come, not saying it has yet, but

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Speaker 1: should it come, we know that you guys have our back,

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Speaker 1: So we love you, We appreciate you of a great

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Speaker 1: counterpoint show for everybody tomorrow and we'll see you all

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